1447 - Mark Got his Latina, Virgo Wife to Hotwife for Him

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Mark is like this guy married two times, second wife was a Latina girl who was like a virgin when he met her. Right before they got married, he did have his first experience with a guy. The way he wound up hooking up with a guy is so fucking funny, that one story. It's like, Craig's List got wrong story, it's funny. And then he brought it up to his wife at some point. And I'm telling you a very short story. His whole details are so much more interesting than what I'm gonna tell you. But then he brought it up to his wife and then they started hooking up with guys and then they started swinging and then she started fucking the guys for him. And she's never really been that into it, but she does it and they've done it and stopped and started before. But now she's much better about it. She's played solo once without him. He tells me that story all the way at the end. He gets a free pass to hook up with guys at any time. He prefers actually to do threesomes when she's there. He has compersion, he's totally into seeing her with other guys. They have done couple swaps, they've been on cruises, they've been to sex parties. I mean, you name it, they've done it. It's super interesting story. His wife is very interesting cause she's kind of like conflicted about it, but not. He's really interested, interesting because he was like this really alpha guy that had issues with him sort of sucking a dick every now and then, but now he's like very okay with it. You're gonna get all the details. Like I said, he's funny. It's a great story. So I'm gonna get right to him and be right back on with Mark. Hey Mark, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm good, and you? Are you hiding out in your car talking to me? No, I just. I am. Oh my God, that's so fucking funny. Everyone's either cheating in their cars or calling into my show and talking about their naughty lives. You do live a naughty life, but kind of like a lot of guys dream because I don't know how old you are, but you married a Latina woman, you said, right? When she was like a virgin. And you did put it out to her that like you're into dudes somehow, right? And we're gonna get the whole story. And then, you know, she was cool with it. And then you guys started seeing guys and now you're like swinging and you're going on cruises and all that kind of stuff, correct? Yes, that is correct. Yeah, crazy. So let's go back. First of all, was she your first marriage? She was not. I was married once before for six years. Okay, cool. And how was that marriage? Was that just like regular vanilla marriage? It was very vanilla. And yeah, it was pretty, you know, it's one of those marriages where I was in charge. Anything I said did, you know, we did what I wanted to do. Are you complaining about that? Or are you like, oh my God, I can't believe I had that. She was a white girl. So when I did marry a Latina, it was completely different. That's so funny. But let me just tell you, first wives and second wives are very different and typically, okay guys? You want the wife, the first wife to be the one that just does whatever that you fucking say because you know, you're having kids and there's a lot of stress on the first wife. I don't know. It's kind of funny. You're two separate wives. But did you have kids and all that with the first wife? I had one. I had my son and he's now 22. Okay, great. But you didn't do any of that kind of stuff that you're doing with this woman with that with your first wife, correct? No, we did not. Okay, cool. So now you're with like this white woman that listens to whatever you say and that's what you're used to. How do you wind up with a virgin Latina girl? Her sister's actually worked for me. Oh my God, you're kidding. Like in your office? Yeah, well, I own a company and I'm gonna say what it is. But I've got about a hundred employees. Okay. And after my divorce, I was actually dating one of my other employees and 18 year old girl. Oh my God, Mark. Oh, okay, you were like 50. Okay, you were 30, okay. Yes. That's legal, correct? They told me that their sister, yes. That was legal, yes it was. Okay, just wanna make sure. They told me that her sister just moved to America from her home country. And they said, you ought to meet her and all of her sisters are overweight and just not very attractive at all. So I told them thank you, but I'm okay. I got a funny story, go on. And then about six months in, I needed some more employees. They said, our sister wants to work. I said, all right, bring her in. And it's like in a movie. And I tell my wife this, like birds were chirping, hearts were playing when she walked in and I called my best friend and said, I just met my future wife. Oh my God. Whatever. Yeah. It took me about four months before I had enough nerve to ask her on a date. And we started dating on in April, we were married the very next day for on the same date. And that was 15 years ago. I really do believe that guys are the pickers. Like I always say, like women are very intuitive about a lot of things, except like their guy. You know, who has the intuition for the partner is the guy. Like I've heard stories from guys that like, even Johnny Depp told the story about like his first wife. He saw her back from across the room. And it was like, who's that person with that back? Like that's gonna be my girl. Like the guys just fucking know somehow their girls. Like that's their mark. They know it. They see it. They know in the first minute. A lot of times like you hear that story, you know, girls, I've met so many guys, I thought was the one and they weren't, you know what I mean? We don't know fucking anything when it comes to our guys. But the guys are the pickers. So you knew the minute she walks in, I'm assuming she wasn't overweight like her sisters. No, she was gorgeous. I remember what clothes she wore to wear. Yeah, I remember what she wore to work. And when you ask her, she's like, I don't even remember meeting you. But those sisters were probably like, wow, you know, they probably like when they offered her up first and you said, no, they were like, what a fucking asshole he thinks she looks like us. Well, it's funny. Little does he know. When I did ask her to date, they told her, yes, date them, date them, date them. And then after we got engaged, they were like, no, he's a bad guy. Don't marry him. And she's like, whatever, y'all are crazy. Well, I mean, you are the boss. And like hooking up with all your employees, some people would say like, you know, you might have a boundary issue. Do you know what I'm saying? Yes. But anyway, okay. So you listen, you've been with this girl, how long now? 16 years together, 15 years married next month. Wow, amazing. Okay, so how old was she when she walked into your office? 19. Okay. And she was a virgin. Yes, I'm 11 years older than her. Okay, cool. So you're, okay. So, okay, that's fine. I don't care about age gaps really. Other people get so hung up on age and shit like that, but whatever. You know, so you meet her, you find out she's a virgin. Do you de-virginize her? Does she stay a virgin until you guys are married or was she just a virgin? Cause she never met anyone before? No, she wanted to stay it. And we got really close. It was about a month before the wedding that we actually did the deed. Right, but she knew she had a ring on it and she was marrying you. And that's why she was able to be forward, right? Yes, yeah, we had the venue. We had everything picked out. And did you have kids with her too? We have two kids now. Okay, cool. Yeah, I would expect a young girl like that would want to go into a relationship if the kids are on the table too. It wasn't like you were off, you know, closed off to it. You were still young, right? When you met her? Yeah, I was 31 when we got married, but I had a kid every eight years, even if you include my son. Oh, interesting. So I've got a 22, 14 and a six. Interesting. Are you planning eight years from the six to do another one? No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm all done. I've been fixed. And actually she's gonna go get fixed just because of what we do. Oh, okay, all right, exactly. Cause she's still young, right? How old is she now, your girl? She is 35. Okay, cool. All right, so how, like, did you always know, like let's get a little back story on you as far as like the guy on guy thing. Like did you always know that you were into guys at all? Before? No, not none whatsoever. Okay, so how does it come up? Oddly enough, when we were dating and, you know, we didn't do anything sexually. I'd reached out on Craigslist to an ad and found somebody and I thought it was a girl and we were chatting for two days. Why are you going on to Craigslist to find somebody? What happened before that? I mean, well, we weren't having sex or anything sexual. So I'm fine. This girl, the Latina? Yes, my wife, yes. Okay, so you're going into cheat on her? Yes. Oh, okay, well, you gotta tell us these things. I'm surprised. Yeah, no, I'm sorry. You're talking about the love of your life. You just meet her, no one sees the cheating coming. You know what I'm saying? I had to get it off and doing it by myself just wasn't cutting it. So I reached out on Craigslist to some people, only one person responded and after two days of talking, turns out it was a guy. Okay, but wait, we'll say right there. I just need a little, I like cheating stories only because people could learn. Like how long into your marriage did she stop having sex with you? Oh, well, no, no, no, this is with my wife now, my current wife. I know. When we were dating, we didn't have any sex before our marriage. So this is when you were dating? Yes, this is when we were dating. Okay, so you cheated on her when you were dating. Have you cheated on her while you were married? No. Okay, so once she had it started having sex with you, you were done, but in the early times, like a couple months into it, you did go do this thing. Yes. Okay, that's important, because that's very different than, you know, two years into a marriage, right? Okay, I'm glad I clarified that. Okay, so you go on Craigslist, and you're hitting up a girl, and it turns out to be a dude? Surprise. Yeah, in the women for men section, so. Oh my God. Turns out he didn't live that far from me, and you know, he was like, look, just come over, you don't have to do anything, just sit there, and I went over and just sat there, and it was one of the best blowjobs I've ever had in my life. I'm upset, I don't know why I find you funny, but I'm obsessed with your story already, because you know what, like honestly, if you really think about why not just lean back, close your eyes, and get a fucking blowjob, like what does it matter? You know what I mean? Like a lot of it, right? And I think that, and you know, you sort of make a point of like why guys would do what he was doing on Craigslist, because every now and then, some guy is, even though when he finds out he's been catfish, he's still gonna come over for a blowjob, you know what I mean? Like that, and you did, so he wasn't so dumb to be doing what he was doing, probably every now and then he did find a guy that was like, okay, right? I was like, yeah. And in my experience since now, some of the guys give the best blowjobs I've ever had in my life. I know I've heard that. So were you, like did you like question your sexuality or anything like that? Were you weirded out, or you were just like, oh, that was just a great head? Okay, yeah. No, I questioned it then. I was, you know, of course, I couldn't have that conversation with her. Of course. But you know, I just sort of pushed it down deep, and that was it. Okay, so that happened, great blowjob. You never saw him again or anything got happily married. Never saw him again. Okay, so now, how long into your relationship did you guys start talking about bringing other people into the marriage? Or you confessing that you're into guys? I don't know what came first. I confessed that I was interested in trying something with a guy. I was trying to think back to dates. Let's see, we've been in the lifestyle now for about five years. So this was maybe seven years ago. So I guess we were seven or eight years into our marriage. Okay. When I said something, and at first she was like, yeah, let's do it, let's explore it. She was like, do I have to do anything? And in my mind is if I was gonna go somewhere and I was gonna try sucking a dick, I needed her there. Like she had to be there with me, either helping me or doing something because in my eyes, it was kind of, it was more gay if I went by myself. 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And I've got a special deal for my listeners right now. When you buy two months of Bluetooth gold, you're gonna get the third month for free with promo code StrictlyAnon. That's promo code StrictlyAnon. Visit bluetchoo.com for more details and important safety information. And I thank Bluetchoo for sponsoring the podcast. Right, it was a little bit too close to home. I would think would be a better way of saying it. Because why is gay bad, okay? Yeah, I'm six foot one. I'm covered in tattoos. Oh, really? I ride motorcycles. I drive big diesel trucks. I hunt, everything about me exudes man. Exactly, but that's the whole point. And that's why I love having people on that, even guys who exude man because it doesn't make you less of a man, whether you're gay, bi, straight or anything. Like you're still a fucking man. I don't get why they're such a stigma. And I'm like that now. And I'm good with it now. But then not so much. Yeah, no, I like that you're being honest. And it's important to talk about that because it's very real life, right? And people do feel that way. And it's interesting that you feel very different over time and way later and we'll get to that. So, but it's interesting also though that your girl was very open to it. I mean, she wasn't freaked out. She was, at first she was like, yeah, let's do it. And then a couple of days later, she was like, I don't know about this. Right. I don't know if I could do it. And we split a teeter-totter on it for a couple months and then that, of course, I did research on the internet and I would bring in toys to the bedroom or talk about it during sex. And I might take one of her dildos and stick it to the bed post. And I would suck on it a little bit while she did something to me or I would make her do something to it while I was doing something to her just to take the weirdness out of it a little bit. Yeah. And finally she said, look, if we're gonna do it, I don't wanna know when it's coming. I don't wanna know anything. I just want you to make it happen. I was like, okay, say no more. So when she said, do I need to be involved? Like what did you say to that? I don't remember. Did you tell her? I said yes. I said, I would prefer if you were there performing oral. Okay, so not just there, you wanted her to be involved. Yes. Okay, that's important. And then the more I thought about it and the more videos I've watched, I confessed. Or I said, you know what? I sort of wanna watch you have sex also. Okay, okay. Okay, so you're honing down like what you're really into. Once she's down, you start to really realize like what you actually really want maybe, which was different than you thought. Yeah, that's interesting. Okay. And we had a convention in North Carolina, went out of town. We went and saw the movie, we went and got dinner and she was like, you're acting weird. And I'm like, well, tonight's the night and you should have seen the color drain out of her face. Because she had, and she didn't wanna be involved in anything, right? Like you're not doing something behind the record. I mean, this is how she feels. This is what she wants, right? That is correct. Yeah, okay, go on. So the guy came to the room, you know, we were both, I mean, as cold as a clam. I mean, we were both just so nervous. He came, this was seven years ago. I don't really remember too much of the details. He never finished. We had that stupid no kissing rule set up then. But other than that, a condoms and no kissing, that was our only rules. Right. And he did his business. We did our business. I went down on him. He didn't go down on me. Now he did lie about that online, because he said he would. But when he got, I think he just wanted more of my wife than me. Yeah, unfortunately that happens, yeah, huh? Mm-hmm. So he did it, he left. We, you know, of course after that, the reclaiming that everybody talks about was just astronomical. We, I think we fucked three more times that night. We woke up that morning and fucked two more times before we hit the road home. But she said, I didn't really enjoy it. And I don't really want to do it again. How far did you go with the guy? Just like oral? Just oral. Okay. And what didn't she like? Did she not like the guy being with him? Did she not like seeing you? Like, oh, did she not like any of it? Do you know? She didn't like any of it, period. She just says it wasn't me. It didn't feel good. You know, she goes, we scratched that itch for you. I did this for you. I'm good. Yeah, okay. And I said, okay. And I, you know, I was upset and we talked about it some more and two years went by before anything else ever happened. And during those two years, every once in a while I would bring it up and she would shut it down. But I listened to one of your callers and I can't remember his name. He emailed me some stuff on how to do it, you know, how to talk with her more. And we talked more and more about it. And then finally she says, okay, we'll give it another opportunity two years later. Really? Because you didn't let up and you didn't want to like do it behind her back, but you were jonesing to do it again. Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. So I found a guy and I actually met the guy first by myself once for a drink and then one time for a play session, me and him. Just to make sure he was willing to do something to me. Right. Also, and this was another, this was a Latino guy. So, you know, he spoke Spanish so that would help make her more comfortable. And I told my wife we're going to do it this night. We got a nice hotel room and he showed up and I was more nervous than my wife, you know, and she handled it like a pro. We went to town. I went down on him. He went down on me. We both went down on her. He talked all this game and he was three pumps and done. And he had a horse cock. Is your wife hot? Oh, she is. Yeah, of course. You said that before. Go on. So, we tried to get it, he tried to get it back up. He couldn't and he apologized and left. The funniest thing about that whole come, the whole thing that happened was you're laying on the bed and he just looked over to her and said, your pussy tastes really good. Oh my God. And her and I both looked at each other like, okay, how do we respond to that? We're like, okay, thank you. Yeah. But did the whole thing turn you on? Oh, it did. It really did. And I tried to take some pictures. I took one picture during the whole event, but I wanted to be in it more than I did and take any pictures. Right. So, he left and of course our reclaiming again was off the charts for the next month. We were going at it almost every day. And she said, okay, you scratched your itch again. That's it. Right. And we actually got into a big fight about it. Why? I had to trust. Why? What was the fight about? She didn't want to make this a regular thing. And you did. And I did. And you did. And she's scared that it would, like this would be the only way I could ever get off or enjoy sex was by having a third with us. Well, listen, when you're sitting there hounding her about it and telling her like, you're mad that she won't let you, she's gonna think like, you need this because you're really like, you're not willing to let it go. Yes. I mean, she might be right. Yes. So, a year went by, a year went by again. So we're now three years in and I still kept in touch with the guy. And every once in a while he would send her a text. I gave him her number and he would just send her texts as how are you, just to stay fresh in her mind. And I asked her, I said, look, I said, I know you don't want to do anything, but would you come with me and let me just do something to him? Yeah. And she said, fine, I will do that. She goes, I'll come into the room, I'll sit there, I'll watch you, but I'm not touching. I said, that's fine. Okay, that's not a bad, you know, solution, you know, compromise, right? Yeah. No, I didn't think so. So we went and we did that, we did that one night and she talked about, you know, did you enjoy it? And I said, yes, I enjoyed it very much. And she was like, I like watching you enjoy yourself. Not that she likes watching me do that, but she likes me to be happy. Yeah, that's called compersion. Yes. So she was like, if you want to do it again, I will get involved. I said, okay, great. So I set something up the next month. And we went and met him again. It was actually for my birthday. We met him in a hotel at a, where we live, there's no lifestyle clubs, it's only house parties and they do a hotel party, but it's really lame. We were going to a hotel party and he came over to our room and we had fun before the party. And she told me after it was done, she was like, you know what, I enjoyed that. That was fun. You know, as long as we can keep it with this guy, I'm okay doing this. Okay. Now at this point, are you going further with guys or is it only oral that you do? It's only ever been oral. All the way up to last Tuesday. Oh, okay. Interesting. Okay, keep going. So we met him three more times over the next, I would say six, seven, eight months. And she really enjoyed it because he didn't want any kind of relationship. He didn't want to talk to us outside of whatever we do. You know, he just come have fun and everybody goes home. And she really liked that. So he sent us a text out of the blue. Hey guys, I'm sorry to tell you this, but I'm moving and he moved out of state. So I was devastated that I wouldn't gonna have this opportunity anymore. And I talked to my wife about it and I'm like, what do you want to do? She's like, I guess we're kind of done for now. I said, okay. You know, and I've learned not to put too much pressure on her. So a couple of guys reached out to me online through, you know, I'm in a bunch of private groups talking about hot wifeing or this or that. And one of the guys asked, he was like, can I message your wife? I was like, as long as you keep it respectful, you're fine messaging her. So he started messaging her and over the course of a year and a half, we finally ended up meeting him. And that was actually an absolute shit show. He didn't look anything like his picture. You're kidding. What was wrong? Like, did it look like, were they literally fit? I always, I'm obsessed with people that would like actually show better pictures or fake pictures than actually show up in person. It wasn't fake pictures, but the angles that he took his pictures from didn't show his big pop belly, didn't show his bald head, you know, stuff like that. Now my wife is a, my wife is a champ. And she was like, look, I've talked to him for a year. I told him we're going to do this. We're going to do it. I'm like, oh, it's fine. So she was still attracted to him. No, she wasn't attracted to him at all. But we ended up having sex. She was taking one for the team. She did. Oh my God. You got another good wife there, you know. You had a guy call in that talked about he would go to bars and have guys know him and his wife and set stuff up. Oh, the bartender. It was the bartender. Yes, I remember. I think he was. It was, no, the bartender was the guy that hooked him up. No? I think it was something like that. Okay. But I know he caught a lot of grief because he, because he talked with guys about it and didn't let him. Oh, no, no, no, no, that was a totally yes. That was like a little non-consensual. Yes. So after listening to that, I got to thinking, I'm like, you know what, that's awesome. And my wife has always said that she wished that we could find somebody like a one night stand that, you know, just happens organically. But realistically, threesomes don't happen organically. Yeah, especially not when you're older. You know what I mean? Like when you're drunk and bars in your twenties, you can make that shit happen, but not when you're grownups, you know what I mean? Yep. So I talked with a guy on SDC and I told him, we're going up to a lifestyle club on this date. And I sent him our pictures, you know? And I said, look, it's up to you. You have to throw the game out. You've got to work it. You know, nothing is guaranteed. And he says, I fully understand. We went up to the club, we were with some friends and we partied and wife got the drink in and he just came up and introduced himself and, you know, started talking to us and talking with her. And it just started happening organically. He was her type, you know, only thing he was a little too short, but she was okay with it. And watching her flirt and be like that and dance was just crazy. It really got me going. And he said something to her and she looked at me and she kissed both of us and grabbed us by the hand and walked us back to a playroom. And we all went to town for a good hour and a half back in a playroom. Oh my God. What did you say after that experience? She said she felt like, she felt ashamed and she felt like a slut, but she really liked the feeling. Wow. Isn't that sad that women have to have that shame feeling too? It is. And especially her, cause I mean, she grew up very religious household and she still hasn't fully accepted all the stuff that we do. No, it's hard because women, you know, there's that Madonna horror thing that is ingrained in them. And the word slut is such a bad negative connotation and women that like sex and sex, it's like, it's, her whole worth is like how much she doesn't like sex. It's like, she's, you know, a better person for it. It's like weird, you know, it's sad. 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So teenagers get messages from people they know, not strangers, and default content settings. Plus teenagers under 16 can't change these default settings without parental approval. So parents can help teenagers connect safely. Learn more at instagram.com slash teen accounts. So anyway, it's just sad that she feels that way. But listen, sometimes, I mean, does she still, like, could I just ask a quick question? This is jumping ahead. Like, does she ever get into it and not feel that way? Or does she always have like those kind of conflicting feelings? Cause like maybe it's just not for her. She still has. She still has a little, well, she has little conflicting feelings at the beginning, but once she gets going, it's, she says it's going out of her brain and she's totally fine with it. But then afterwards, I mean, everyone's totally fine with anything when you're horny, cause you're like drunk. It's like when you're. No, afterwards, she doesn't have any regrets. And I'm asked her, we talked about that. I'm like, do you regret doing any of this stuff? And she said, absolutely not. Right, because listen, some people could have shame because of like societal pressures and shit like that. You know, and some people could have that feeling, I think, just because maybe it's not something that they are, it is okay for them. You know, not everybody is going to be okay with everything, right? Everyone has their own sort of moral compass that they follow, you know? So I was just wondering if maybe it just wasn't the lifestyle for her, even though it was for you. Yeah, and she's told me, like, I will say this out of, I've counted it before I called you. We played probably with about 25 times, not all with just different people. A lot of times the current guy that we have now, we've met him eight times. And then the guy that moved away, we met him five times. So we, she likes repeat, I guess customers or whatever you want to say, or play partners because she feels that she doesn't get as nervous and she can be a little bit calmer and enjoy it. That being said, she has never orgasmed at any of our play sessions. Oh my God. She says it feels really good and she enjoys it, but she thinks there's some physical, you know, something mentally in her head. And I remember one other caller, a lady calling in saying that also that she enjoys it, but she just can't get to the finish line. Yeah, there might be a block. Like maybe she would feel guilty if she did. Who knows, you know, because she can orgasm with you. Oh yeah, she's multi-orgasmic. Oh wow, interesting. Normally five, six, seven times in one session when we go at it. So she knows that it's a mental block and she's working towards it. But she told me that any point we could stop this, like she won't be sad, but she absolutely- We know she won't be sad if it's stopped. It's you're the problem that doesn't want to stop it. You're the one. But she's told me that she loves doing it for me. She can see the look in my eyes and the feeling that I get while we're doing it. And when she's doing something or putting on a show for me, and she said that absolutely drops her crazy. Right. Now, how did you guys get into going to like Swinger clubs and everything? Now I'm assuming that was your idea too? For our 10 year anniversary, I told her, I said, let's actually, let me rewind that. For our five year, we were going to Jamaica to a regular resort and they had a nude beach. And I said, let's go. She was like, I need fake boobs before I'd ever go out to one of those places. Did you get her fake boobs? I did get her fake boobs. You're so funny. So for our 10 year, I told her, I said, I found this place called hedonism. I said, let's check it out for our 10 year anniversary. And she asked what it was. And I told her and she said, okay. And we went for a week. It took her three days before she got naked. As soon as we got there, I dropped my pants and just started walking around naked. It didn't bother me. Oh my God, you're so funny. So we went out real early one morning before everybody gets up and she got naked out on the beach and then people started coming and people just don't, they don't stare, they don't gawk. And we've seen anything from models to obese people out there just having fun. Yeah, it's interesting. And don't you feel like, and I don't know if you feel this way but I know that when I went to a nude beach, I was like, you kind of almost notice people's imperfections and body types and stuff less when they don't have clothes on, right? It's interesting, right? You judge people way more in clothes than you do without. It just looks so natural and okay and normal. We didn't know who anybody was, what their profession was. Whether they've got money or no money. We've met doctors and nurses and there was a 82 year old Dennis that was there one time with his wife. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. So we've done that three times. We're getting ready to go back in July for our fourth trip there but we did a bliss cruise. Mm-hmm. And that was, we didn't enjoy that very much at all. How come? Explain. So our boat roughly had like 4,000 people on it. Wow, 4,000 swingers? 4,000 swingers or lifestyle people, whatever they wanna say. But out of that 4,000, I would say only a quarter of them were somewhat naked on the cruise ship. And then out of that quarter, a quarter, a half of that was just topless. Like not even full day. Maybe you were on the wrong boat. Are you positive you got on the right boat? It was on a bliss cruise out of Miami. Ha ha ha. Maybe there was like, yeah, were there maybe certain places where all that stuff was going on and it wasn't allowed maybe in the regular places? Anywhere that was an open deck. So like the main pool deck and all that, you could be butt naked. And just a lot of people weren't. They just kept their bathing suits on. Interesting. Which was, you know, I was walking around naked. I didn't give a shit. Yeah. You know, this is it. And my wife was like, well, if I get a people aren't taking off their bottoms, I'll leave my bottoms on. Yeah, of course. Right. I'm like, well, as long as you leave your titties out, it doesn't bother me. Ha ha ha. And she probably feels okay about them now, right? Cause she's got her fake boobs in. They look perfect. Yes, yes. Oh, she loves her boobs. Yeah. So wait a second. But did you go into the playrooms and play at all while you were on that cruise? We did. We went in and we put, we played and we went with another couple that we met in Jamaica and they have never had an experience at all. So they had been asking me if I would be their first experience and my wife was like, that's fine. We don't really swap like couple swaps. Yeah. That's what I was wondering. You want to go join them? Go join them. I'm like, okay. So the first five of them. Wait, I need to know. Wait, I need to know. Cause you're just like, you know, like all of the swinging and everything is happening and we don't have any details about it. Like, I mean, is it on the table that you could like, fuck this one, this guy's wife and stuff like that? Like, oh, it is. Oh, okay. That's important. You never brought that up. It is now at the beginning. No, a week. She wasn't really ready for that. And she wasn't sure how she was going to see me ever doing that. And this cruise that we went on was just last, last February, April. Okay. So this is the first time you're with. So this is also in the past year. Oh, okay. So the past year, after five years of doing it, fifth year, she, you, it is the first time that you wind up being with a woman, correct? Yes. Oh, okay. That's good. And the wife and him or the wife and I were texting a whole bunch. I like it like this and I'm going to do this. And the first night we got on the boat, my wife says, I'm tired. You all go have fun. Couldn't get my dick up. Interesting, right? Never, it never happened to me in my life. Is that interesting? It's not that uncommon, by the way. You know, I've heard it before. Is that interesting? Oh yeah. I've heard it all the time. And I'm like, I don't know how it's just a girl's naked and my dick gets hard. Yeah, right? And it, anything I did, I could not get it. I went down on her and then her and her husband had sex and she, we finished up. I went back to the room and I woke my wife up and I told her what happened. And I said, I feel terrible. And she was like, well, let's see if you're broke now. My dick got hard and we had sex right in our cabin. Why, if you had to guess thinking about like that scenario, do you have any clue why that would have happened? I mean, it doesn't really matter because it happens and whatever it doesn't mean anything. I'm just wondering, do you have a clue as to why it happened in that experience for you? She, the other wife had gained some weight since the last summer that we had seen him, about 35 pounds. So her body type was a little different than what I remembered when we met. And I don't, other than that, I didn't, that was really the only thing. And this was the first time me playing with another woman in 17 years. Uh-huh. And maybe you prefer, like maybe it's a more of a turnaround when your wife is there. Also your wife wasn't there. I mean, you were alone, right? And the next night we all got hammered and we all went to a playroom together. And she actually slept with her husband and I slept with his wife and I functioned perfectly fine. Yeah, so maybe all of that combined, that makes sense, right? Cause you know, your wife wasn't there to turn you on. It was just her and maybe you weren't totally turned on by her body anymore, right? Like maybe it wasn't just like, and your wife not being there maybe also added to it, not being as hot as it could have been, right? So the next night though, you did full swap. Full swap. Yes, we did a full swap for the first time ever. Okay, and how was that? It was good. She enjoyed it. You know, I enjoyed it. Our jam is another guy and my wife and I. That's our jam. We've now had three swaps and you know, they're okay. There's nothing wrong with it, but our jam is just a single male to join us. Right, that is not interesting. So some people would think like, oh my God, that would be like, why would that be better than you getting to fuck the why? You know, cause you got everything going on in the full swap too that you have with a guy, right? Your girl's with a guy, but you don't even need that other woman there is what you're saying. No, no, I don't, and I enjoy watching my wife so much that, you know, another girl there just, you know, distracts me. We were at a club and the other guy was giving it to my wife and I was trying to focus on the wife that was with me, but I also wanted to watch my wife. So I was trying to do two things at once. Yeah, yeah, interesting. Okay, so how did your wife feel about seeing you with another woman? She said it wasn't that bad. She didn't look too much. She said she tried to focus just on the other guy. She didn't want to see it. Okay, interesting. Yes. But she wasn't like jealous or anything, but she didn't want to see it. So it means that she's not really that into it. Yes, and she knows, I've told her that, you know, I'm not really into other women. I always joke with her. I said, you know, when I, we go to these parties, I'm driving the Ferrari. Why do I want to test drive a Honda? Yeah. And yeah. So she's starting to understand that. And the clubs that we go to, we're not in big cities. So we, it's not the most gorgeous group of people that are out. Like I was just listening to your podcast this morning with Jane about New York. And my wife wants to go to a big city and see if the people are sexier cause it just isn't happening. Yeah. I mean, listen, you just walk around New York. I live in New York city. So, you know, and I'm from New Jersey and New Jersey is very close. And I go there all the time to see my family. And you know, you see very different people at the fairway in New Jersey than you do at the fairway in New York, right? Oh yeah. You know, it just says, and they happen to be better looking. I will say though, I got to say for your girl and for you, like I find the guys in Suburbia way hotter than the guys in New York. I just like, you get all the like the hot like construction worker type, like, I don't know, like a hotter guys to me. I don't like the guys in the city. I think you got hotter guys in the other. Back clubs that we go to cause they just, it's like they don't have a mirror or they've never heard of a diet or gym. So, you know, and that's one thing that my wife and I have both done since we've got into the lifestyle. I've dropped 65 pounds. Oh wow. And my wife has dropped 25 pounds. And you know, we're trying to be the hottest version of ourselves that we've ever been. Yeah, you'd think you'd want to, you know, I mean, listen, that's only gonna make you healthy too, right? The good news is like that kind of thing, like, you know, working out and taking care of yourself makes you look great. And it is also like, but it's really fucking good for you too. Right? So you're getting healthy in the meantime as well, which is only, is great as the older you get. And the couple that we, that went on the cruise with us and we met in Jamaica, we're all going back to Jamaica this summer. And she's already lost 30 pounds. And she says, look, I've got to lose this weight to keep up with you all. Oh, okay. So that weight that she had gained, she got back. Yeah, that's great. That's good. Well, everyone nowadays with the shots are so fucking skinny. Oh yeah, well, we've done it the old fashioned way. Just exercise and a caloric deficit. Yeah, yeah, that's great. That's great. I'm very into health and fitness. So I've always been in very good shape and I believe in it. So I do believe in the shots where people that are extremely overweight. But the fact that you guys could do that and lose all that weight naturally, I think is like the best way to do it if you ask me. Yes. Oh, we go to the gym every morning at 330 in the morning. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I love that. Okay, so wait, let's get back to your story because you did wind up fucking a guy or having you get fucked by a guy recently. Like, and I still want more stories. We still have a while to get to go. And you're so fucking funny to me for some reason. So our current guy that we have, I actually met him on Grindr because we had to, my wife wanted to find a long-term replacement. That was close, that didn't live out of town. So we didn't have to go get hotel rooms. And I found a guy on Grindr, I went over to his house. He blew me. I showed him some pictures of my wife. I said, are you interested in meeting her? He said, yes, absolutely. And we've met him eight times now in eight months. Okay, but slow the story down. Slow the story down. Like, who is this guy? Is he a gay man? Is he a straight guy? Is he married? Is he single? Like what are his... He is divorced, has a long-term girlfriend that has absolutely no idea that he does this. Yeah, interesting, right? Yes, and they're getting ready to, they just bought a house together. They're gonna move in together. But he calls us anytime she goes out of town for a business trip or if she goes, like we'll go during the day and have booty calls during the day, like at 10 o'clock in the morning when his girl is at work. Yeah, isn't that crazy? I just have someone else's podcast on them. Like I hate, and we were talking about guys that just like to suck a dick every now and then. I'm like, I hate to say it to your audience, but like I would worry if I was a woman going out on a work trip because the shit that I've heard guys do the minute their wife packs her bag and is out the door is like, unbelievable. Well, so I'll get to this story in a second, but just earlier this week, I was sitting in the parking lot waiting and he texted me, he's like, all right, I just watched her drive away. Oh my God. And I went upstairs with actually another girl, a different girl. What do you mean a different girl? So we have a friend that's, she's somewhat, she's lifestyle and she wants to see guy on guy. Okay. She has never seen it. I've never done anything with this chick. I've never kissed her. I've never fucked her through lifestyle friends. We have like people who love us. So your wife knows her, she knows your wife. My wife knows her also. And I told my wife, I said, this girl wants to watch me in action. And we tried to set it up, I don't know, six months ago and she chickened out. And I told the wife, I said, do you want to know if I go do anything? Cause my wife's always said, you're free to do anything you want. Just, I don't want to know all the details. I said, okay, that's fine. And she said, and as long as it doesn't bother our family time. So, you know, as long as it's not outside of my schedule, my normal schedule, then I'm free to do anything I want. Yeah. So I said to this girl, I said, look, we can go meet them Tuesday. And she was like, awesome. She gets in my truck and she's like, you know, you can just go do this. And I'm like, yeah, I can do this. I've never had an issue. She's like, all right, cool. So we get into the dude's apartment. She sits down on the couch. We get ready to start going at it. My dick won't get hard. You're kidding. Nope. It's the girl. Yeah, I think it's my wife. Not being there. Not being there. He, he, he blew me. I got hard and she wanted to watch me fuck him. And I tried it and went soft. And he got me hard again and it went soft. And then I was like, you know what? My wife has pegged me a couple of times, which I never said, but with small little toys, nothing, nothing big. And this guy's probably about seven and a half, not really thick. And I said, you know what? Fuck it. Let's try it. And he got it in, but it just, I wasn't relaxed enough. And we said, no, we got to stop. Yeah, that's not, it doesn't feel good if you're not relaxing into it at all. Yeah. And, you know, he finished off. He just masturbated and I couldn't get hard again. And that was it. We got up and left and I apologized to my friend. I told her, I said, I spoke that shit into existence. Oh, yeah, exactly. And that poor girl, I mean, she saw the worst show imaginable. She said it was actually still really hot. She had to put a codex in to, cause her pussy was so wet. That's so funny. Little do I know. Yeah. She didn't want to join in. She just wanted to see it. And I said, okay. Wow. Well, you know, there's that whole heated rivalry show that's like getting all these girls into guy and guy action. You know, maybe she was on that show and was like, oh, I need to see it, but she's in the lifestyle. Her, she's married, corrected, but her guy just isn't into it. They have a very weird relationship. They're married, but they're not, they haven't had sex in two years and they vacation separately and all kinds of weird stuff. Interesting. They just don't want to leave each other. So they stay together, but they're not really like into it. They're best friends, they say. Right. But they're not, they're not sexually attracted to each other anymore. That's why they don't have sex. But they fuck, they both fuck other people. He doesn't really, but she does. Well, he's fucking somebody. Maybe he's into guys too. I don't know. I've seen him. He's, he's kind of a little troll looking dude. Doesn't matter. Everyone likes sex. It doesn't matter what you look like. You think you're, you think his sex drive is core, has any kind of correlation to looks? Are you crazy? Maybe it's kind of interesting. Maybe her guy is into guys and he doesn't know that his wife is like fucking down for it. Does he know? I mean, most people are fucking someone. Most people know, most people are fucking someone. I do, I used to not think like there's no way that people could be asexual, but they exist, right? But I typically think like, you know, everyone's into something, you know, and maybe you just don't know what they're into. And maybe you just not enter her. One of our other friends, we think he's asexual. He, the last time she had sex was Halloween, last Halloween, and that's when we did a couple swap, but he couldn't get his dick hard to fuck my wife. So I fucked both of them. Right, but who do you think is asexual? That's the husband of our friends. Why? Because he never fucks either. She said they haven't had sex since slash July. And the only other time she's had sex was with me and my wife at a Halloween party. Right, and she thinks that, and her guy's just not getting it anywhere. She's asking, she's begging him, or she thinks he has low T, but he won't get it. Yeah, you're right, you know, it could be that. It could be that, that's another reason why guys, sometimes like porn just ruins people, they start to get numb to it, and they're just like, maybe these guys are furiously jerking off to porn, maybe they have low testosterone. There are, it could be some reasons for it, because I don't think it's very natural to have zero sex drive, though. And I used to not think that asexual people existed, but it does, you never know, you know. It's interesting though, that, you know, all the sort of scenarios you see there, at least she's, listen, they're not cheating, right? She's in this relationship, they're best friends, you know? He's happy, she's happy, that they've given each other the past to be whoever they are. So that guy, so would you ever try anal again with the guy? Would you top a guy? Is that what you're open to now, maybe? I would, I would do either or, but I really think I've gotta have my wife there. Yeah, I think so too. What about those sisters of hers? What about those sisters of hers? Do they know how you've corrupted her? No, no, dear God, no. And her mother comes and lives for six months out of a year. Oh my God. From her home country, she stays with an R house for six months and then goes home for six months. So it's, yeah, my wife, and no one would think this about me, you know? Yeah, of course, yeah. Of what I do and who I am. Yeah, right, exactly. I'm very much alpha and, you know, I'm the enforcer at work, I'm the enforcer, anytime I'm out at the club, I'm the ringleader of our whole friend group, and even all of our friends, only a handful of them know that I'm bi. So how do they even know? I've told two of them or three of them. Okay, and how did they react? They said it was cool. They didn't have an issue with it at all, and I'm starting to become more and more open about it as it goes. Right, well, you did say that in the beginning, you felt it weird about it, right? And then you feel very different now, you know, because it's interesting, like, people have to always kind of make that statement after they say, like, sometimes I suck a dick, but I'm alpha, I'm very in control, I'm a man, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, because everyone thinks the first thought is like, you're less than if you're a man into a man. And we're trying to figure out, like, why is that? You know what I mean? Why? Because like a real man only likes women, and the more women, the more he's a man, and then if he kind of likes men too, that makes him less than, I don't understand, the stigma or the reasoning behind it, it's very ingrained in people. Oh, that it is. My best friend is very like that. He's even said he'd kick his son out of the house if he found out his son was gay or bi. And I'm like, boy, man, you don't want to know, have the shit out, dumb man. And we've been best friends for 30 years. Oh, exactly, right? That's one friend, you're not gonna tell him anything. But you know what? Maybe that guy is like furiously jerk it off to gay sex. Like, why is he so, like, like, why is he so anti it that he would literally kick his son out? I find that when people have such strong reactions for things that don't get it. I mean, unless he's a very religious person, I don't understand the strong reaction against something unless you have some sort of feeling for it, because why are you so against it? You know what I mean? It doesn't make sense. I get if they're not into it, you're just not fucking into it. But I throw my son out. What the fuck? He can understand also how somebody would want to share their wife, and that was the hard thing that my wife had to struggle with for years, was like, why do you want to share me if you love me so much? She started to understand comparison now and all that, and she does understand it. Well, she, honestly, I've heard like, I mean, your wife obviously feels extremely secure with you. I get that from your stories. I mean, she's like, go do what you want to do. You know what I mean? She's not wondering like if this is going to, what you're doing is going to affect your relationship, but it doesn't sound like it. You know, it just sounds like she's very secure with you and having you and you being in her life, and there's no, you know, she's not afraid of you leaving her or this destroying your marriage, because she seems to be okay with you living in the lifestyle and doing whatever. She sends you off with free passes all the time. Yes, and what's funny is, Cathy, when I grew up, I was one of the most jealous people out there. Right, isn't that interesting? Yeah, I wanted to just kill anybody that even looked at my girl. Even my wife, when we started dating, like guys would hit on her at construction sites, and I just want to beat them with a wrench. But we were just talking about that too, though. No, I was on Justin Lane Miller's podcast, and we were talking about the guy and guy thing and the hot way thing, you know, because you're into both of the things I talked to with him about, and I talked about how sometimes, a lot of times, I have heard that a lot of guys that have the kink that you have that do love sharing their wives do have like jealousy in their past, right? Where either it's like they were a very jealous type or someone cheated on them and they turned very jealous, because sometimes it's like a matter of just taking that jealous energy and turning it into something else, right? And then you turn, make it into a turn on, I don't know, you know, but it's interesting that you were so jealous and now you're the opposite. Yeah, I don't, something happened, some switch somewhere along the way, because I've never really been cheated on, no stuff like that. I just, it got to the point where it was kind of hot watching a dude hit on my wife, then it made me mad, maybe because we've been together so long, I'm not worried. Yes, maybe it's the same thing like with her, right? The security, but like, isn't it so much better to be the way you are now than to have been the way you were before, so jealous and possessive, right? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting because it does, and that's why I understand your wife being like, what the fuck, like, why would you want me to do that? Doesn't it? Because really it goes against everything that anybody would ever think, right? Most women and men would think like, oh, every guy is jealous if another guy looks at their wife. You know what I mean? They tend to be super possessive of their women. They own them, they want them, it's all theirs, you know? It's like, and yet this whole hot wife thing exists, and it's like my most downloaded episodes, okay? Like people have like fucking loved them. So obviously there's a lot of people out there that are into it, you know? And it just, to me, it's upside down world. It's like, it's the opposite of everything that most people would think. Yeah, oh, Kathy, I have one other story I forgot to tell you. Yeah, good. Only time she ever played by herself, we were at a club with some good friends of ours. He asked if he could take her to a playroom, and I said, that's her decision. They went off to the playroom, and his wife and I hung out, we were shooting pool, and you could hear people going at it in one of the playrooms next to the pool table. 45 minutes go by, and they come walking out of the playroom. And the bed is soaked. Wait, is she a squirter? Well, I've never made her squirt. She's never been a squirter, but he knows how to do the thing with his fingers. And she told me later that it didn't feel good. She did not enjoy it. Interesting. But she said she shot him in the face like a super soca. Ah! She said she felt terrible, and I've tried it a couple times with my hands, but I can't do it. The only time we ever came close, her and I were having sex, and she told me, she said, don't stop. Do what you're doing, I'm gonna squirt. And two pumps later, I was done. It set me over the edge. Oh, fuck, you messed it. I told her, I was like, you can't tell me that. You just have to just do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was right. Yeah, you're right. Oh my God, that is so fucking funny. So wait a second, do you plan? So you have a guy now, right? That you're still seeing that same guy, the Grinder guy? Is that like your regular, and does your wife see him or do you play with him just solo mostly, or do both, I'm assuming? She does not see him by herself. I've asked her. No, no, but you see him together and you see him solo. You. Yes, yes, me. Yes, I've only seen him two or three times by myself. Right, last question. So how did, how do, like, how did, or how do you feel about your sexuality now compared to a long time ago? I feel I'm a lot more in touch with my sexuality. I know what I want, I know what I like, and I'm not afraid to ask for it anymore. And you don't feel bad about it, or you don't feel like conflicted it. Like you don't feel like it means anything, right? Like did it change who you are? You're still the same person, but every now and then you just want to like to suck a dick? What does it matter? Yes. You're not last then. When you had that doctor on that talked about that, you know, I said something to my best friend about it, and he was like, no, if a dick goes in your mouth, you get it. And I'm like, it's not really, because I don't find guys attractive. I don't want to kiss guys. I don't want to date guys, but during the, during the action, yeah, I will totally suck on it. Yeah, I was literally, because I started a Sunday series now, and I'm literally, that's because I just had this whole conversation with, on this other podcast about this whole thing. I'm literally re-airing his episode on Sunday, because it's, and doing a big intro with it, because it's such a great episode that even for me, I was like your friend, when I would have guys coming to me talking about, oh, I like to suck a dick, but I don't like men. I was like, that doesn't make any sense. You know what I mean? I was straight up with your friend right there being like, no, you do fucking like guys. Okay, sorry. Like you might be bi, you might not be gay. Until I got so many guys calling in at the same thing, so many guys exactly like you, say the exact same thing. And then when he came on and explained it, it made total sense. And whenever I air that episode, so many guys email me like, oh my God, like finally someone puts it in words, right? To make it make sense. Yes, that in compersion. Once I heard what compersion is, I'm like, yes. I'm like that with everything, with sex, with birthday presents, Christmas presents. I don't need anything. I just want to see her happy. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, well, listen, I, if those sisters knew what they got their sister into, they would have warned her more. I feel like my family, if they found out, they would be like, yep, we could see that with him. I've always been the black sheep of the family. Yeah, well, there you go. And listen, you know, a lot of people will be like, oh, why don't you, what would their families think? It's like, nobody's family knows what they do behind closed doors anyway. People's sex life is really nobody's business. We talked about it on my show because it's just putting awareness out there and stuff. But at the end of the day, even your vanilla friends aren't coming to you and saying, oh yeah, I fucked my wife, doggy style, or going to their parents and telling them what they do. So most parents don't know what their kids do sexually, nor should they. Who wants to fucking know? You know what I mean? So why should her parents or your parents know what the fuck you're doing either? They don't know what your sister or brother, whose vanilla is doing either. It doesn't matter. You know what I mean? So it's fucking business. So there you go. You're having fun. Your wife's super interesting to me. I wish she'd call in. I have a feeling she never would, but I would love to talk to her if she ever wanted to. I'll talk with her and see if she wants to. She's more embarrassed with her English because for our first five years of our marriage, we only spoke Spanish. Oh, why? Because you speak Spanish. I do speak Spanish. And I told her when our kindergartner got ready to go to school, I'm like, you don't want to be that mom that just smiles and nods. Poor thing, right. And she was like, yeah. And now she's fluent in English, but she's still self-conscious about it. Right, okay. Well, if she wants to ever come on, I don't mind an accent. I live in New York. I'm surrounded by people that, you know, from all over the world, you know, it's fine with me. So let me know, I love your story. You're very funny to me. I don't know why. I don't think you know that you're funny, but you made me laugh a lot and which I always love. And so thanks so much for calling in and sharing your story. It was super fun and interesting. Yes, ma'am, thank you. Thanks, Mark. Bye. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out till August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cook queen story. There's a cook story. There's a gang-bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book, think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them, they're really short. Chapters, easy read. You could read one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in e-back format, paperback format. And finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you'd get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me, okay? I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you gotta do is email me a screenshot of your purchase whether you did the audio book, the ebook, or the paperback, send it to me at strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com. That's strictlyanonymouspodcastatgmail.com and I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. 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I wouldn't call it like an erotica book, though there's plenty of sex in there, right? But I didn't write it to sound like erotica because that's like the vibe of my show. You're gonna learn a lot. You're probably gonna get a little turned on. It's a different way to hear these stories, like I said, because they're written out in third person. There's an e-book available if you don't want your partner to know that you're reading my book. Get the e-book, it's available. If you buy my book in any format, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you'll get the Discord and go in there and be like, oh, this sucks, okay? It's like pretty amazing. There's tons of people on there and everybody shares content with each other. That's what's great about Discord. You get to post your own videos and pictures and there's tons of channels. And we have contests over there. It's a super fun place to be. I will be giving anyone that buys my book at any time access to my Discord. It is private. This is the only way you could get in is through me giving you the link. And that's why I think my Discord is so great because I have vetted people. It's not like it's just open to the public. So everybody that's in there, people that listen to my show and people that listen to my show are fucking great. So my Discord is fucking great. My book is great, you're gonna love it. If you buy it, all you gotta do is send me the receipt or a picture of proof that you bought it and I will give you free access to my Discord. Send it to strictlyanonymouspodcast.gmail.com. You could find my book in the link in the description, okay? Or just Google it, strictlyanonymousconfessions, secret sex lives of total strangers. You could find it anywhere. You buy books, send me the picture and I'll give you access to my Discord email strictlyanonymouspodcast.gmail.com. Anyway, thanks so much for listening.