#616 - Retired Boston Detective

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Yeah, you just wake up and it looks like you look back and you're like, oh, who was... On your pillow? Yeah. It's gross. Your pillow's got sideburns on it or something. You know, your pillow's using a curling iron. It's a mess. Yeah. That's way too much. You've dealt with it? Yeah, in the past, yeah. Yeah, and was it stress from work? Yeah, and other things, but the monoxidil definitely helps because I called my doctor and they're like, oh, she can't see you for nine months. And I was like, oh, my fucking hair's falling out. And they're like, well, you can see the nurse practitioner in two months. I was like, no. So I went to one of those online things and they sent me a monoxidil and like three months I had little bald baby hairs sprouting out and it came back. So it does help. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm realizing. I just got to... Yeah, just taking some time just to enjoy, do things just that I enjoy. That's what I'm... That's like my focus right now is just to do things that I enjoy. Because I'll let added stress stay on me as well, you know? Yeah, of course. That's what I'll do. That's what I'll do. Yeah. And not realizing that everything's going to be okay. You know? That's what my boyfriend said with us and when I was nervous about today and he's like, it's all going to be okay. Yeah. It really is. Like no platitudes. Yeah. Everything's going to be okay. Kara Connolly, thank you so much for joining us. You are a retired police officer and detective from Boston. That's correct. And you were on the forces for 30... 31 years. 31 years. Yeah. And you started out in Dorchester, I think? Yeah. When I graduated the police academy, they send you to a couple different places to tell you you're on probation or whatever. And I went to a part of the city called Dorchester. Wait, probation they send? So when you join the police department and you go through the police academy and then when you get out, now they do it for a year, but when I did graduate it, it was six months and they have you... You basically, it's probationary period to see if you're good enough, behave enough, or do the right thing for like six months. So they send you to a couple different places, like one busy district, one quiet district. So they start you like a probationary period somewhere? Yes. And you might stay there, they might move you, but that's how you're on probation for six months and then you're a full-time police officer after that. Okay. And what were those first years on the force like in South Boston, was it? Yeah. So I was actually born in South Boston. So I was in Dorchester and I was in South Boston. So Boston at the time was a quieter district. Dorchester was very, very busy. In the 90s, in Boston was a ton of shootings and gang stuff going on. So comparatively speaking, South Boston was a quieter place to end up for several years. What were the demographics of that area like where you were servicing? Kind of everywhere. Dorchester is a different demographic in South Boston, population-wise. Now South Boston is very hip and like it's all young kids, but at the time I was here it was like all just kind of families, pretty quiet place at the time compared to other districts were like, you know, shooting every couple of days. And is it mostly white, black, Latino, Asian? Dorchester at the time when I was first there was a lot of black, some white, some Asian. And South Boston at the time was mostly white, but some black and Latinos. Got it. And who are the people they call Southeast? Cause you hear that a lot. Southeast is not a thing. You could say you're from Southeast, but it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not pluralized. There's no S on the end of it. So I'm from Southeast, but I never said that growing up. We always said South Boston. Most people said I'm from Southeast. Okay, so now we... It's just a nickname for the part of town. Right. So you're not like, but other people call you Southeast or the Southeast? No, people from like out of the city who hear about it became popular cause it was in Goodwill Hunting, was in South Boston. So that's kind of what put on the map. So when people started moving there and didn't know any better, that's how they would say it, but people who grew up there back in seventies, eighties, whatever, didn't say it like that. That pub that they, you know, they filmed in became like a big thing. Elstree Tavern and that was like around the corner from where I grew up. And were the people there distrustful of police at the time? What was the relationship like between... No, people in healthy like the cops have compared to other parts of the city, I think in my experience. I mean, it was a quiet place when I worked there. Most of the stuff that's kind of good stuff that happened or whatever, crazy or calls have been on happen when I was a detective. Patrolman was pretty quiet. Do you remember one of your first like big like calls as a patrolman that was like, oh, this is real. Like, do you remember that like a first moment where like, this is pretty real? Well, a lot of the calls. That's funny. A lot of the calls when it comes in like, you know, person with the gun call, like I still remember my first person with the gun call. I was shitting my pants because I was like, oh my God, you know, it turned out to be bullshit. It wasn't even real. So a lot of the calls are like that. You don't know they're fake until you get there. So you're like, adrenaline dump in the car and you're like, oh my God, this is real. And I remember being like, what am I going to do? Nothing. It was a big nothing burger. Were you putting lipstick on or what? What do you even do? No, no, there was no lipstick when I was a patrolman. No. Yeah. Like would you like powder up your face a little bit or something? No, no one part of their face on the way to a call. That wasn't it. No, that wasn't a thing. Yeah. That's just in Charlie's Angels. Yeah. What was it like being an officer in the nineties in that time period? Like was that way different than you think it is now? Yes. I think so. I mean, obviously the gang, the rate of shootings in Boston was much higher than, I forget what our highest homicide rate was in the early nineties. It might have been like 150, 160 people. Boston has like 35 a year. So it was a big difference. It's become much safer whether everyone, the gangs kind of aged out and they all went to jail or, you know, got shot or moved on in life, whatever happened, it became much safer, I'd say. There was no money in being in a gang either. I think a lot of people were like, oh, this is a shitty business, you know. This says 1990, the homicide peak. Boston's homicide count hit an all time high of 152 cases with much of the violence concentrated among youth and involving firearms. The spike was driven by gang violence, crack cocaine epidemic and easy access to handguns. Yeah. So nineties are a little different than now for sure. Compared to then, how do you feel like police work is different between now and then? Do you have any thoughts on that? I don't know. I mean, the whole like community policing aspect started when I was new. So that's kind of still progressed along. I think they're going. What does that mean, community policing? Well, that's what they call it. At the time, they had walking beats. So when I got on, you wouldn't be in a cruiser like you'd walk the neighborhood, kind of like they do in New York City. They have people walking around. There's not a lot of cruisers. And so they would put people in certain parts of the city. Like when I got on, for example, and I worked in Dorchester, I think there were like seven or eight walking beats up and down like kind of the main street in the town. And now, excuse me, there's only a couple and they just put those on again. So they're kind of trying to get back to that. So that was very different. Like people who did the walking beats full time, like knew everyone in the neighborhood, that was the whole purpose is to get people into the neighborhood so people feel comfortable speaking to the police. Except the neighborhoods where they put the walking beats were usually the worst neighborhoods and people didn't give a shit. They didn't want to talk to us. Oh, it didn't matter anyway. No, not the parts of the city where they had them. Now it's different. They don't have as many walking beats at all. They push a lot of the social media stuff like the dance, the dancing cops is the fucking shit. So cringey and they the department, all the police departments do that. They put it out to try to be like, look, where excessive. Oh, see, it's so, so embarrassed. I haven't even seen this. It's just, it's so goddamn cringey. Are these real cops? That's usually the, I don't know about them. Yeah, it says they are. Oh my. Well, at least, at least they can dance. Like when our department puts it out, it's like, she's like, right cops like, we're playing basketball with the kids and you know, what let's all do, especially during COVID. It's just, it's so cringey. They just put it on the other day from female woman police law enforcement day and they had like women dancing and some of my girlfriends and I sent it back and forth. Like this is so. Who wants to see, dude, the last thing I want is my cop dancing over there. Is that what you're looking for when you call for help? Someone to show up at such dancing like you want someone who's going to give you a hand. Yeah. It's just, I know they're trying to soften their image. They don't want to look like paramilitary anymore. They want to look friendly and not scary and whatever, whether it works or not. Long term. I don't know. Yeah. You get promoted to detective in 2005. 2007. 2007. Okay. And what is, what, what does it mean to, to become a detective? What does that mean exactly? So to become a detective back then you had to take an exam. So it's like a six month to year long process. You have to study for several months and there's like six or seven textbooks you have to read. So you take the exam and then they do kind of like an oral interview, depending on how you score in the tests. And then they kind of combine your years of training and experience, your test score and your interview to say, okay, these people have been high enough score to get made detective. So, and then you do like a month's worth of training back at the police academy to, because being a detective and versus a patrolman, it's very, very different. First of all, you know, wear a uniform, which is my favorite part, but it's just completely different job. Like you're now responsible. A cop gets a call, they go to the call, they write a report and that's the end of it until they have to go to court. If the report that the cop writes about, it gets assigned to a detective and now you own that. Like, so you have to follow through, you have to follow up and go to court or take out criminal charges or whatever. So it's, it's a very different job. Is there a lot of lobbying to become a detective? Like whenever you're like on the force or people like, I want to be detective and, and then do people, is there any way to manipulate things so it betters your chances of becoming a detective or is it not like that? Not like that. So everyone, if anyone's a patrolman doesn't want to be a patrolman for long. I was a patrolman for 13 years, which was a long time. We had, usually they do the detective's exam every two or three years for some reason we had a seven year break because I didn't take it. I just had a child and I was like, I'll take the next one a couple of years and it was seven years. So I was a patrolman for a long time. So people, It was seven years to the next promotion. Yeah. So the next exam. So it was a long wait. But people want it just because it's better than being a patrolman. Some people love being a patrolman and we'll do that their entire life, but most people either want to take an exam and become the supervisor, like a sergeant and lieutenant and keep kind of going up the chain or people are interested in being a detective. So it's definitely desirable. Do you remember an early case as a detective that really kind of stood out to you? Yeah, I had a good arm robbery once. That sounds like an octimaran and good arm robbery. It was on Halloween, which is always one of the worst days of the year to work for what's it July Halloween sucks. They're always crazy. But we had an arm robbery. It was a cell phone store in the morning. It was in the morning. It was like 930 in the morning. The store just opened up and these two dudes went in and there was some girl, young girl, early twenties working there by herself. It was in a shitty part of town and they literally tied her up with like telephone cord around the wrists and her ankles and they stole. It was like 800 bucks or $785, whatever it was. But the feds ended up taking it because it was a T-Mobile and they can kind of loop in the commerce act like by saying it because commerce was halted with other states. It becomes like a federal case. But the guys ran off and the girl, it was like something out of a movie. It was all in video. She literally hopped over to the phone all tied up with her ankles and they put a gun in her head and everything. It was two got firearms and she was terrified and they, she hopped over to the phone and like knocked it off with her head and was like calling for help. At least she's in a phone store though. Like at least like. But she was able to do that and then it came in quick. So a couple of the guys from work, everyone, I worked with the best people on earth in Dorchester. They really were great, great cops and they just kind of flood the area right away and their description's going out. And one of the officers is actually one of my police academy classmates ends up seeing these two guys walking down the street and a description had been given out to clothing. They left like a trail of clothing down the street. They tried to drop everything and change their appearance. It's hard to run and change at the same time. Yeah. So they, they were just kind of, yeah, walking down the street and really not, it's actually a little teeny, there's a nice neighborhood in this bad section of town. So they kind of stuck out and, but then he sees the trail of clothing, jackets and hats and shit left behind. So he called it in. These guys, one of them had on gloves, but the other one had band-aids and tape around his fingers. So he wouldn't leave any fingerprints. And as the guys, everyone went up there, the patrolmen were talking to him. He notices them, only they're picking away to try to get the, the band-aids and tape off their hands. And then another officer in the area was searching. She's looking in trash cans and she found the guns and then someone found the box, the money box. So it was, that was, that was a, that was a pretty good one. It was an exciting one. Yeah. It was just, it came together nicely. Everyone worked like, did so well together. It was like everyone was there at the right time to do the right thing. And then the feds took it and they had, they had serious criminal records, both of them, been doing arm rubbies all over the city. It was like the same guy hit like five or six places. So we were glad to get him. They got, because it was federal, they got like 20 something years each. One of their brothers was a truck driver and he, that's how they got the guns. He was a cross country truck driver and he would, he would bought guns in Arizona and then brought them back here. So that's what made it federal? Is that there were the transporting guns across state lines? I think they didn't end up prosecuting him because he basically testified against his brother. But what made it such a big, what made the sentencing so severe? Because they were, the way the feds do it in federal court is they basically add up, it's a point system and depending on how many charges or cases, how many times you've been found guilty, then you're considered an arm career criminal and you get extra time added on. Oh, I got it. Yeah. For 785 bucks, they went to jail for like 20 something years each. It was crazy. It's idiots. Yeah. And pretty much that poor girl was terrified. I always felt bad for her. Yeah. Oh, that would be so scary, dude. I don't know what I would do if someone did something like that, like pull it like, you know, She didn't even want to identify them. We were trying to do like a, we do a bring back or show up, you bring, because we brought them to say, have her identify them. And she was like hiding behind the blinds in the store. We'd usually they'll have them like go out in the sidewalk and the person will like look through her car window, but she was literally hiding. She was absolutely terrified. I think she's crying and everything. How important are fingerprints? Is that a real thing? How important is that when you were detective? Well, that, that's a real thing because everyone's are different. Yeah. So if you get found at a scene, whether it's a break in or a robbery or something like that and they find your fingerprints, well, unless what other excuse do you have for being there? So it's, it's a pretty good, especially now. People like in court, when cases go to court, they don't want witness identification. They want, because all the CSI shows, they think we all have this bags of evidence to show when it comes to court. So juries want to see forensics. They want fingerprints. They want like cell phone records. They want DNA left behind because of the TV shows makes it look like that's left at every scene, but these guys covered their fingerprints. They had masks on like they put, you know, bandanas around their face. But the girl identified them from the clothes. Some of them didn't have a mask on, but so fingerprints are definitely very important. And what's the process of actually lifting fingerprints? What is that? And you hear the term lifting fingerprints. Different surfaces use different tools. Like this surface, the grain of the wood would be no good. You need like a smooth surface. Like they train us on like granite, like countertops. Oh yeah. Granite's nice. It's very smooth. It's shiny. So if someone leaves a fingerprint, you have, whether you have dry or oily hands, you're leaving oil behind and you could take your powder and you spin the little powder on like a smooth surface and literally the fingerprint pops. And then you just take this kind of clear square of like sticky tape and then like press it down and then lift it up. So it transfers onto the outline transfers onto. There you go. Can there be fingerprints in a place? Could you look at a counter or something and see nothing and there could actually be fingerprints there? Yeah. You can kind of, if you use a flashlight, sometimes you can see it. If it's a clean surface, if it's like a shithole house or filled like bank robberies, we don't do fingerprints because so many people go up to every teller. Like even if a bank robber comes in and puts his hands down, there's 10,000 other fingerprints there from the people that came before you. So they don't, we don't bother with something like that because you have to be able to show it's a suspect. So they won't like put it into the system to see who it even belongs to. It could a surface be so dirty that then the print itself actually makes it clean and that, you know what I'm saying? Yes. On dirty windows, we get those on a break-in when they push up a window and leave them behind and you can literally see them because you can see sometimes they'll smear the dirt. Sometimes it's so dirty though, the dust won't adhere to it. Got it. What's a person who picks up the fingerprints? What do they call that person? Well, we do it. Detectives do it. Detectives do it. They do it in Boston. Yeah. Some other places like the crime scene tech will come out on other departments, but we do it ourselves. Unless it's like a major incident, like a homicide, then the homicide unit will call the forensic unit and they'll, those are civilians. They're not police officers, but they'll have gone to school for that. Got it. So if it's like a major, like I said, a homicide, they'll call in the crime scene techs to do it. They don't want to mess with us. And you ever have a day where it's just busy and like, gosh, I got to get to my kid's birthday or whatever and I'll just, we'll hope for the best of us when you take off? Yeah. It sucks. You could be, your shift ends at four o'clock if you work days and at 3.45 someone, a person stabbed. All right. I won't be home till midnight. Oh, you say, oh, so you stay or stay? Oh yeah. I would say like, if you ever had a thing where it's like, uh, I got to get out of here, you know, I'm, instead of doing the work, you know, instead of dusting for these fingerprints, I'm going to hit the road. You know, you can't. No, it's on you. It's your case. If you got, if you're on call, we call it catch day in Boston, but detectives like certain squads have in charge of all those calls that day. So, you know, five things could come in. We could get a shooting is to Abig and I'm robbery and, you know, missing person and they're all assigned to you, but it's not that busy. Um, but it can be. They might have a day like you don't even go pee. You don't even eat lunch and it's feeling far between, but it definitely happens. Wow. So you're just cruising like that. Yeah. Hmm. How much you mentioned television a little bit ago, how much is television and what people think and expect? How much has that affected like the prosecution of cases? Ruin did absolutely destroyed it. Yeah. Everyone has such high expectations. If they watch, you know, CSI Miami or whatever the hell it is and see, they solve everything instantly. And, um, they have cooperative witnesses or they have all this piles of evidence and like I said, people in because of that people in regular juries and regular court cases expect, Oh, do they literally come back with no saying, why don't you have fingerprints? Why don't you have DNA? Like why don't you have that? Well not every case has that. Like I said, a bank robber comes in, they don't touch the counter. We have no DNA. We have no fingerprints. You have no semen either. We have to go on eyewitness identification and videos now everywhere. That's huge. Videos are huge help, but it's definitely the shows have been a detriment to prosecuting cases for sure. So you think it's made or the, the, the shows have made it harder to prosecute cases? Absolutely. Because people have higher expectations. The juries do. The juries do. And they're like, Oh, there's not enough here. Yes. They'll be like, it's nothing. You don't have anything. We saw where is everything? Like, well, we have a, you know, we've got the video and we've got this and that. And like, no. So it's tricky. Yeah. It's not been our friend. It's fascinating. It's, yeah, it's fascinating because they kind of glorify. Right. But at the same time, a lot of things happen like that. 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And my friend, Chris D'Alia, he's a comedian. He has this great joke. He's like the first 48 and I'm paraphrasing. He's like the first 48. It's like these detectives have 48 hours to solve the crime, but really they have as much time as they want. Yeah, they do. We do. Sometimes you're waiting on video. Like it doesn't, obviously if you don't have a suspect like right away, but if you work at it, sometimes the evidence is out that you just have to find it. It might not slap you in the face at 10 minutes after the incident. Right. But do you really only have 48 hours? No, we have all the time you need. Except it gets busy. And if I have, you know, three cases that day and if like I got to work on it and then two days from now, I get another big one that like a shooting or a stabbing or whatever. Now your, your, your attention is split. So time is of the essence because something else is always going to happen. Something's coming and whether you have a leisurely amount of time to work on the case, like, cause then you work in overtime, then you're working a double to try to stay and work on this case because another one could come in tomorrow. So it is this point to it, like the 40 hours are important, but I think more so because something else is coming. So it's going to take the attention away and then you can only be in so many places that it wants, you know what I mean? You can't, you can't. Yeah. I never thought about that part of it. How do you prioritize what cases are most important? I mean, obviously, like if someone gets shot or stabbed, like that's a violent crime and you want that person who it's more a defendant base. Like if the kind of person that's going to do that, you want them off the streets, right? Right. If, you know, compared to, you know, identity fraud, well, that's not an emergency. That can wait, you know what I mean? So those kind of like, cause we get a ton of fraud, check fraud and all that shit, bank fraud is a nightmare because it's a lot of the times it's not even taking place. We have our victims in our city, but suspects are all over the country or all over the world. Yeah. So you can't prosecute them. Yeah. So it's hard to chase down. So those are kind of, to the victim, it's not a lower priority. They're the one that had their money stolen or whatever. Of course. It's not the same as being shot or stabbed or or having a criminal that's violent. I'm robbery or something like that. You gotta find this guy now because obviously they're in heat for crime. Yes, exactly. Wow. So are there days when you kind of get to the end of your shift almost and you look and you're like, Oh my God, there's still that one missing person I didn't reach out about it. There's always a pile. And now I have to go do that. Yeah. Oh, you very rarely get to go home at the end of your shift. You're always staying. And how what's that? What's that effect like on your home life? Like were you able to have kind of a home life? Like what was that like for? Yeah, I mean, it's it makes it trickier for sure. You need help at home. It definitely makes it more difficult. And were you able to have a family except you have children? Yeah. Nice. Oh, your daughter's here. My daughter's here. Oh, nice. I forgot. Yeah. I didn't forget, but I think I just didn't know if she wanted to say it or not maybe too. So yeah, what was so yeah, how do you how do you manage that? Was that it's tricky? It was difficult. It was a lie. It was it was hard. I said, you expected to come home. I get you to help them with a project or you've got to make supper and you have to call and be like, I'm not I'm not going to make it. Someone got stabbed or I guess stay late. A lot of times you know, you're going to be like, okay, those days I know I can stay late because I have coverage with the kids or whatever. Yeah. But it's it's not easy. But at least you had a good excuse. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't, you know, get my nails done or getting shitfaced. But yeah, I'm getting my nails done or I'm getting. Yeah. I'm working. It wasn't like, yeah, I'm drinking or something or you're useless is on third base. I can't, you know, I'm not going to be home on time. Yeah. Do you start to see where family life suffers? Do you see it like, you know, because that's also a common theme in a lot of like police serial programming and films and stuff where the detective is working late and then there's the family thing starts to suffer, you know. I mean, I'm sure it did. But like I said, you've you kind of figure it out. You make it work. Yeah. You're like a detective in a busy part of the city. That's why I transferred to the human trafficking unit because that was like a Monday through Friday job, not a rotating schedule because I worked holidays. We worked every Christmas. You've got a holiday off every six years. So ever, but you'd get all the holidays off that year. So that year you're getting, you know, excuse me, you're getting Easter. Excuse me, please. Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's. You'll get all the biggies off, but then it's six more years until you get another one. So I went to human trafficking. Thanks for water real quick. You're good. Horrific. Sorry, miss. I didn't tell you, I don't want to tell you what to do anything. Thank you for your service. That's what I'm saying. So it's six so that, wow, that's wild. Yeah. So that time you get to spend with your family, it's really crucial. Yeah, especially holidays, you know, but if you're working different shifts, if you're working the midnight shift, you can kind of go home and sleep for a couple hours and then, you know, meet everybody at Thanksgiving. So that's how Boston worked. Obviously different cities do different things. We just had six squads rotating days off. But some units, like the human trafficking unit is money through Friday. So it's a little more normal if you have young kids or a family and you want to be an regular person as I call it and have Saturday and Sunday off like everybody else, those units are better for something like that. Got it. And I know you ended up in that unit. I want to talk to you about that in just a second. Take me through a couple more detective calls that were interesting to you or that really stood out. I'd say I always, my joke was always going to be those going to write a book and the name of it was going to be Dick on the sidewalk and other stories from the street. The last few years I was a detective. I got like three of the craziest cases of my life after 31. We had some of the guy cut off his own dick and threw it on the sidewalk. For what? Because he was crazy. He was mentally ill, but we don't know any of this. So the call came in in the morning. I was on the way in. It was early in the morning. It was cold out. Oh yeah. I have the radio on and I hit the dispatcher call a car and then start to laugh. And then she says disregard. We don't know what's happening. So I'm driving to the station and then a call comes in again, sending a different car because it was like the midnight shift ending, sending a different car. Hey, can you go to this location? Someone said there's some male and a piece of male anatomy on the sidewalk. And we were all laughing. We thought it was, we thought it was a dildo. We thought it was a joke. That's why the dispatcher was laughing. He just thought it was like a WNBA game or whatever. I wasn't green. Call comes in like 10 minutes later in my detective that I was working with at the time, looked it up on the computer to see the text of the call. Like what does this actually say? And then we saw that the caller was from a nearby health center and it said, this, you know, it appears to be a penis on the ground. There's blood everywhere. We're like, oh, shit, that's, that's not fake. So the patrolman go up there. And so that's our starting point. We don't know anything else. And literally there it is. I wasn't there yet. The patrolman see it on the sidewalk and there's a blood trail. So they stopped following the blood trail and it went, it went a long way, several hundred yards and it gets worse and worse. So it, that's how it starts. So we, that's our starting point and the patrolman followed the blood trail and then they're following it up the stairs of the three family houses, like three apartments, one house and the blood gets bigger and bigger. They knock on the door. This guy opens the door completely naked. A hole where his dick used to be and he's just standing there not talking. And they're like, Hey buddy, you okay? Like, and he's just like, he doesn't speak. He just stares at them. So that they're new, they were newer guys. I felt so bad for them. That's a, that's a tough call. They weren't brand new obviously, but that's a lot for young, young guys to see this, right? So then they're like, Hey, why don't you, why don't you come in and sit down? So they, and turns out it was like a group home for mentally ill people, but there was no staff members or anything. There's three people in the house. It is a blood bath. There's blood everywhere in the bedroom, the floor, the sink was full of it. So they find that and they get on the radio and they're like, get us an ambulance, whatever. Cause we don't know how does someone alive, right? So he's alive. So I get called and me and another detective, my boss went down and it's on the sidewalk and they're taking photographs or whatever. And they call once the ambulance find out he's alive, they just assumed somebody had blood out somewhere and was dead or someone did it to somebody else. He's like, no, I did it. Like, oh shit. Okay. So he's being honest. Yeah. Well, he's just completely and utterly mentally at some other point he'd like caught off his own nipples. He said to let the devil out. So the poor thing was very mentally ill. He was young, early twenties. So once the EMTs find out this person's alive, now they want to try to collect it to see if they can reattach it. So we had done our photos. I actually have a video of this whole thing. I pulled video from the street nearby surveillance video. That's how I know kind of everything after the fact. They come down to reattach it. We had just done the photos. I didn't look directly at it. I can do. Oh, you ever stare into it. You do like a weird blurring. It's almost like when someone blurs out somebody's face and that's what your brain does. You're like, I don't want to see that. I don't want to see all of it. It was big. It was nasty. So they try to come down to take it off the sidewalk. He goes to pick it up. And what are they using? A spatula or whatever? No, he had gloves on. He's using his hand. And he had this weird, like, clear cylinder. He was an EMT. He had this like cylinder thing he was going to put in. Remember at the bank, you would put that check in the thing and send it back up there. Literally like that. So he goes to pick it up and it's been so cold. He's tugging it and it was frozen to the sidewalk. No way. Like that guy from Christmas Story. Bring that up. Like it's tugged. That's what happened to the poor guys. Bring that up real quick because people forget that that can happen. Oh, yeah. And let's get just to give us a descriptive visual. What kind of wiener are we talking about? And if you're wieners, I don't know if it's still what kind of wiener side, like, because that's just a sidewalk wiener. What kind of wiener are we talking about? It's big. It was. It was big and it looked purple. Yeah, it was a black guy and it almost looked purple. But he went to tug it. And because it froze, he gave it a second tug and then like he didn't let go of it. It went in the air and this thing came out. I don't know if it was his rethrow. I don't know what the fuck it was. I compared it later to like a balloon streamer came like flying out the end. Oh, that's some party confetti, baby. And I just turned and dry heaved into the street. I've never thrown up at the job. I've never done it. I dry heaved into the street and I was like, what the fuck? And some young patrolman who was there and this is all in video. He's in his uniform and he does this little kicky uncomfortable dance because he's like, oh my God, that was horrific. Oh, he's couldn't handle like that. Exactly. And then later I pulled the video from the street. We're like, how did this get there? How did this guy get back to the house? He had cut it off several hours before in the house, walked down the street and he's completely naked. Nobody called police. This is the best part. This people going to work. It's like three or four in the morning, busy, busy street, driving down the street. He's completely naked. What no one called 911 and he's walking down the street and I have a video of it. He leans. He cut it, but it wasn't off altogether. So he leans down. Wow, bro. That's that. Whoa. That's that Memphis. And then threw it on the sidewalk. No. Oh, so he tell me that part again. He what? So he, so I'm watching this. So he leans. Tell me that part again. So I'm watching the video and try to find them. Like what time did this happen? And you just see this form. It's dark and he's completely naked walking down the street. And all of a sudden he leans over. I'm like, what's he doing? And he's in the direction. It's kind of from the side direction of his crotch. You see his arm move like a tug and then he just fucking through it. And I, I remember when I pulled the video, I didn't know this had happened. I watched it and I pushed my chair back from the desk and screamed. I was like, what the fuck? The worst part is he came. So if you could believe something's worse, he came back about a half an hour later. He walked like a mile. They said that's what saved him. Why he didn't bleed to death. It was so cold. It coagulated the blood. So he didn't bleed to death. He came back and he's walking down the street and as he sees it, he walks over to it and gets down on all fours and leaned over and kissed it and then got up and walked away. I thought he was going to eat it like a dog bone. Honest to God. I was like, what is happening? What is happening? He bent down, gave it a smooch and got up and walked home. Oh God. It was fucking crazy. Oh my God. The poor bastard. Let me tell, cause I gotta go through a couple of beats of that story and dear God, let me just say that out loud. So God knows that we're just alarmed by this. First of all, the fact that he cut it and it was just hanging there. He didn't do the job. Just like a piece of Memphis mistletoe just hanging there. That's so wild. Yeah. It was nuts. Like mistletoe at a diddy party or something. And then he tugged it off. I can't even imagine. This is a tug. Because you've read like a little hang nail and you pull it off. Kills. And this is like, this is a lot of nerve endings. Oh, that's the ultimate hang nail. Yeah. That's the most hang. That should be the name of my chapter, not dick on this eye walk. The ultimate hang nail. That's the most hangiest nail that there is. When you said that, it got so visceral, I think for me. I'm sure for anybody, listen. Most men get the same reaction when you tell them. And then I wonder what flew out of it. Pull that up on perplexity. Cause I'm thinking that's just a little. You know what it looked like in the photo and when I saw it come out. You know what like sausage casing looks like before? There's a sausage in it. It's almost like skinny, opaque kind of almost. I don't know how else to describe it. It's like kind of gray and translucent. It was like a little small than my pinky and this thing just flew. I just could not even, I. Yeah, that's just a little wiener fun, fatty homie. Let's look at a, no, give me a gander at it, man. I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get a gander. You just look at the, but let's look at the parts here. Cause it's, it's, it's fascinating to know what is that. Yeah. I don't know what, I don't know what the fuck it was. That's a vagina. That's a wiener. Sorry. These days you can't tell. The other day my buddy showed me a picture of his naked wife. She has a wiener and I was like, all right, well, that's a surprise. Yeah. Maybe it's Eurethra. Yes. Cause see the Eurethra opening goes down to the end. That's what it was. God boy. Yeah. It was, it was dicey. That was a dice. And I remember when we got the call and I remember standing over it thinking like, where did I go wrong in my fucking life that it's seven 45 in the morning and I'm looking at someone's dick on the goddamn sidewalk. You know, I was like, wait, what did I do? What did I do to deserve this? It's a question as old as time. You know, it really is. Poor bastard. I think a lot of women have asked themselves things like that. And what, and how does that even follow up? Do you guys keep that in evidence? Well, no, they tried to reattach it at the hospital. So they rushed him to the hospital with it and they did attach it, but it didn't take, it was like a month later. They had to like take it off. Yeah. Imagine that month. Oh my God. It's funny because of the group home, we were trying to find out what is this kid's story? What's his name? Cause the other kid in the house was not with it at all. Couldn't even, he was just sitting there playing video games. Of course. It's like a blood bath. So we're like, it's hard to get the kids off the games. Right. So, but these guys, they're like twenties. So I call the, um, the supervisor of the group home and I was trying to get some information. He's like, oh, him, we're trying to find him an in house, an in, um, a placement in a hospital or a psych ward because he's, you know, he's been exposing his peanuts and group classes or whatever in group meetings. And I said, well, you're late. You're a little late because he cut it off and threw it on the side with the guys. Like, what? Like you could tell he shit himself cause that's his, how someone's supposed to be supervising. Yes. So obviously somebody's supposed to be here making sure at the very least someone's not lopping off throwing wiener. And I just can't, but I can't even imagine the month wait to know if it's going to take or not. You know, I don't think he cared, but still just, he was obviously crazy. I know that's not the technical. You don't think he cared? Why? I mean, cut off to begin with. He said he was letting the devil out. Like he's just extremely mentally ill and I don't think he even kind of, I mean, I think there's a part of a lot of people that think the devil lives inside of their genitalia for some people. And he, like I said, he cut his, he cut his nipples off. He like carved something in his forehead. Like this poor kid was, it was really messed up. It's heartbreaking that people go through so much. And I just, but I can't imagine that month where you're waiting to see, right? It's almost like, how do you sit there? Well, and saw it off and he didn't use a saw. Now let's ask, no, it's a big long kitchen knife, but you know, it was dulls, dishwater was in some shitty group home. It's not some nice Henkels knife. You know what I mean? I'm sure it's not like hands those scissors. It was like some plastic handle shitty kitchen knife. It was like this long. You got to see the knife. Yeah. We were up in the apartment. Was it a basic like knife you get? Like if just, if you made your kids dinner, you give them a knife or your husband dinner? No, not a steak knife, like a little bit longer. Like it would come in your knife block for like, Serrated or whatever. I don't remember that. I don't think it was serrated. I hope it was. Otherwise. Serrated might be more jagged. But yeah, I think you would get it done pretty quicker. I don't know if we can, I mean, the more we talk about this. God only knows how long he was working at it. Cause the bed, the whole bedroom. So the kid I was working with, thank God he had been in the crime scene unit. So he would go into scenes all the time. Like he, he put on Tyvek suit to go in because there's so much blood. We've got stepping through it. Oh, the wiener holds a lot. That's the Lord's spigot. The Lord of Lots that day. God boy, definitely. God, and who was the other kid? Just some honky sitting there playing double dragon or something. There's something, you're sitting there, it was like a grown man with his legs crossed. Like, you know, so you know that's weird, the crisscross applesauce. He's sitting there like trying to, we were talking like, Hey, do you know what happened? It's just like trying to look past us. Like cause we're in the way of his game. The play the game. All right, this guy ain't, this guy's not gonna help. The game was, do you remember it all? I don't know. I was concentrating on other shit. Wow. Yeah. He's literally just trying to look around us. I bet it was one player. They never had a two player game at that time. Wow. Oh my God. But the worst, imagine you just, you're, you're, you're waiting, you're, they wrap your wiener. They, they do the repackaging. And I bet at that point it's almost like the mass singer. You're just waiting, they take it off and you're seeing like, okay, is this, what do we have here? Did this work? Yeah. What's the result? Yeah. Do we have a Shaquille O'Neal here? I think you're just waiting to see. What you're going to end up with? Oh, that must have been horrible. The big reveal, you know, and then like, move that bus. And then the bus takes off and your wiener and your, and your cock doesn't work. Dude, that's the freaking worst God. I hate that. That was, I hate that. Oh, that's harrowing. Yeah. That was one. That's harrowing. And it's cold. That was it so cold outside. Was it hard to stand outside? Was it that cold? We weren't outside that long once we took the photos and when the EMT came down and collected it, there wasn't else much to do that that scene. So then we went up to the house and it wasn't cold in there. We were outside for maybe an hour, 45 minutes, I don't even remember. Because the, it wasn't like 20 below. Right. But it was chilly, right? Yeah, it was cold. But the part for me, I think that'd be the wildest is say you are, you know, you're so cold, you run out there, you're looking at the cock. And then it gets too cold. You gotta run back into your car and warm up. No, there was no running back in together. You're like texting. Like, all right, let's meet out there again in 30 seconds. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like you having a battle that cold so much. No, not at that case. You're like, oh, yes, yes. It's a black cock. And you have to go sit back in your car. Like that's the part that would get, you know, having to build up the, just to stay warm out there. God, that's insane. Yeah, it was fucking crazy. And it is. And that's the kind of shit it's like, you know, you're sitting there and then you're watching your kid or blah, blah, blah, some birthday candles or something. You go from that to something else. That was the day. Yeah. We went out for drinks after work that day. Oh, yeah. We're like, we're going out tonight. Yeah, off a black and tan. That's what I'm saying, dude. I love some Johnny walk out. Yeah. Um, there was another story to pivot. I know that you had mentioned whenever our producer Nick had reached out to you. And thank you so much for coming. Of course. I want to say thank you so much. You look lovely today too. It's a really great outfit. I chose that you did. I did. Yeah. You did a great job. Thank you. Um, there was a story you talked about finding, uh, the, uh, someone had left a child. Someone, um, put a baby in a trash can and I preface this right away by saying the baby lived, the baby was fine. Okay. Um, but, uh, that call came in, uh, for patrolman. There was like a senior housing on our district and there was a gentleman who lived there and elderly man and he had someone who used to come and clean his house for him. And he called 911 cause he said someone just had a baby in his house and then left with it in a bag and it was crying. So the patrolman goes to the call and he goes up and talks to him. The apartment is pristine. There's no sign of a baby being born. He said she was in the bathroom. He's like, it's no, nothing happened. Nobody had a baby in here. So he called the officer called an ambulance for a psyche valve saying it's this guy, the old man, something's wrong or it's, he may be as dementia. I just wanted to check on and make sure he's okay. So as the ambulance is pulling up, again, I have this on video. That's how I remember the sequence. The ambulance pulls up and pulls in the, there was like a horseshoe driveway and they pull in the driveway. And just as they're doing that, a girl is walking down the street, maybe 50, 60 feet away, maybe a little more from the apartment. And it's a very busy street in Dorchester. It's Dorchester Ave. And she's walking on the street and there's a, a, a rod iron trash can on the street and she walks by and she hears something. She thought it was like someone put puppies or something in the trash. She hears something crying. She sees the ambulance goes running over and waves them down and says, I think there's a baby or something in the trash can. Wow. So the EMT comes walking on the street. You could tell he thinks she's full of shit by the way he's walking. There's no urgency. Everybody in this neighborhood is full of shit. There's no urgency to his gate. He's just like, okay, cause they get, they inundated with calls. They are buried all day long. He's like, all right, we're here for this, but okay. He got a haunted trash can. He goes walking over. He goes in. The typical haunted trash can in Dorchester. He goes in and you can see his reaction. He picks it out and then it's crazy activity. He puts it on the, you could see it. This was all in the video, but you can't see exactly what you could see. Insane movement. All of a sudden he's on the air. And at the same time, the officer was up on the house said like, what's the ETM? My ambulance. He never showed up. And at the same time, the girl had called 911 and said, there's a baby crying in a trash can. So this is like, it's all kind of happening at once. So then we all go flying up there when they're like, yeah, there's a baby. We don't have a mother. We don't know what's going on. The woman we spoke to the gentleman in the house. He said it was his cleaning woman. He had a different name for her that wasn't her real name. Cause we're trying to track her down. Like, is she bleeding out somewhere? Is she hurt? Does she need help? Is like, what is the story? She just had a child, maybe. So he said she was in the bathroom for a couple of hours. He thought she had stomach problems. And then she asked him, do you have a pair of scissors? And then she asked him for a bag. And then cause I interviewed a me and my partner and he walks, he said she walked out of the bathroom. And she had like a big tote bag with her, like our purse and the baby was in the bag and he could hear a crying. He's like, what's that? Is that a baby crying? She's like, oh, this is nothing. Yeah. And then walked out the door or whatever. So then on the video, you can see her walking down the street and there's people coming toward her. And it's a gentleman passing her just as she gets to the trash can. She waits for him and as he goes past, she looks around and pulls it out and goes right, right in the trash can. So turns out she had gone in there, had the baby. She was at a 30. She wasn't a kid. It's like she, and she wasn't not mentally ill. She just, what didn't plan on keeping the baby. She had the baby. How alone I do not know. And then clean the bathroom. That's why it was so pristine. When people think of women, like that's the power of me. Women, it's just like. How she did that, I do not know. She sat in the tub and had a baby with no help. Women are powerful, man. And then to clean up the bathroom. Clean it up. But she also is a cleaning lady. I can understand, you know. That's why it was so nice. Yeah. When the crime. I guess has to hide her. I guess. Yeah. Did you determine that she's mentally unwell? No, she was fine. She just didn't want the baby. She did not want the baby. But we don't know any of this at the time. Got it. So we don't, all we have is a phone number. She signed in on like the log at the senior housing and she put a phone number down. And one of the patrolmen working at the scene, they blocked off the street. They were like, helicopter is overhead. This was like news. It was on the news. And one of the officers who was blocking the street, the traffic, we all get the phone number and he starts looking through reports because he's sitting there blocking the street. He starts looking through reports because we don't have the right name. That guy gave us the wrong name, like the wrong age. He said she's a girl. She was in her 30s. To him, she was a girl cause he's in his 80s. He's a pervert too. I'm not joking. I don't know him. He said she's a good looking girl. So maybe you're right. The officer, the patrolman starts looking through reports and finds a phone number attached to a different name. So then we start looking for, we find the driver's lights. Like this again, all took like over an hour cause we, there's a lock going on and headquarters is calling and everybody's like, this is huge, you know. So this kid finds the kid's real woman's real name and phone number and they start pinging the phone. So it turned out she, after she put the baby in the can, walked down the street and got on the trolley, took the tea back to like to matapay into the train station and then got on a train or a bus and went to her house of Milton. So we knew what her address was while she's in transit. We're following the following the pain and she's like moving through the city. And then my supervisor and a couple of detectives, at least one met her at the house with an ambulance. So like this lady, we don't know what's going on with her. So they met her at the house and said like, Hey, you got to go to the hospital. Are you okay? Like what's going on? They went in the house. She like rented a small in-law or something in the house. They said there were no baby items. It was full term baby. There was no crib. There was no diapers. It was nothing. So it was, she did not plan on keeping this baby. She had no intentions of doing that. Obviously she didn't have a single thing in the house, but they took her to the hospital. She was fine. They kept her in the hospital for a few days. But I mean, she literally tied the bag in a knot. Like she tried to kill the baby. And that girl who walked by, it was saved it because it was cold that day. She saved that. She saved that baby. That's unbelievable. They might never have been found. Like the city comes and dumps those trash cans. That baby's gone. The odds that the girl had any walking by and hear it. And do they re-partner that child and that mother? Well, I think she tried to kill it. So I don't know. The homicide unit came and took the case. Why I don't know because, you know, the baby lived, but it's obviously a biggie. So they ended up taking it. It took four, like four years to go through court. It was during COVID. I remember people wearing masks when it was on the news. But it took like four years to wind its way through court. No jail time. I'm like, that's attempted murder. She tried to kill that baby. There's nothing wrong with her. She wasn't scared 16 year old. You know what I mean? Because her defense attorney tried to say that it was cultural. I'm like, do people throw babies and trash cans in her culture? Was it a black or Asian Mexican? She was Haitian. She was from Haiti. Like that's not cultural. Oh, shit. There she is. Mother or Leslie, abandoned newborn and trash, abandoned door test charge with attempted murder. Yep. That's her. She didn't serve any time. No way. She got probation. Yeah. None of we weren't very happy with that. Well, yeah. Cause you just like the psychology of that person that's out in the world. How could they value life? Yeah, she doesn't. At least not that life. Yeah. And how could you probably value one of the most precious lives? Unless maybe there was some extra, I wonder if there was an extreme circumstance of how she had that child. But we weren't told, we were in communication with the DA. Like they never told us other than it being cultural. Well, like what the fuck culture is that? That's not a culture anywhere. Yeah. Well, the media makes it like to make it easier. Yeah. But I think it took so long cause core cases were just dragging on because you know, nobody worked during COVID except us or whatever. Um, I think it's like everyone just gets tired of it and wants to go away. I don't know. Crazy. Yeah. I mean, I mean, stuff like that's harrowing, you know, I don't know how you can, I don't think there's a way to shed that skin if you're a police officer or detective, even though it may seem superficial, like in some ways you just move on and finish your day. There's gotta be a part of you inside of you that stores a lot of that uncomfort and like sure, I mean, it's illness. It's gotta be, you know, kind of, I'd say you learn how to deal with it. I dealt with things better years on my job than I did when I was new, you know, stuff that used to upset me. You have to, it's your brain safety mechanism to so you don't lose your goddamn mind. You know what I mean? You learn how to, that's why cops laugh at murder scenes. Like it's, it's, it's, it's tension release. We're not laughing at a murder scene. Like people are trying to talk and say, okay, everything's normal here. You know what I mean? Like, you know, when Brad White was in, he was in. His brain's on the street and you're like, so, you know, what are you gonna get for lunch later? Like we have to do something to distract, distract your brain and you get better at it. Yeah, that's this, this officer that we had in, who came in and was talking about, he worked in Los Angeles and he talked about this one story where he had, a mother he called, her son was gonna commit suicide. She was worried and, and he gets there and the mother comes out to greet him, tell him what's going on, my son's inside. While they're outside talking, the son kind of steps into the doorway by the screen door kind of and takes his own life with a shotgun. Oh shit, shotgun's messy man. So then there's, now he's standing out here with the mother. So we have to console the mother at the same time and now we'll go approach this situation. Right. So you, you have to do many, like you're like, oh shit. I just saw someone blow their head off with the shotgun and the mother screaming and on the ground, I'm sure. But yet it's still like not a crime scene, but it's an active situation. It's an active scene. You have to lock it down and so there's a lot, there's a lot. It's, they're chaotic, you know, and if you're, especially if you're alone, there's only one or two in there's a lot going on. They're very chaotic. Yeah. I can't even imagine how things go from seeming real and normal to absolutely surreal. Like in a moment, almost like you're in a movie or a video game. I remember he said he walked into the, he had to push the door wouldn't open all the way cause the body was too heavy. Yeah. You have to push him out of the way. So he's pushing this and then he steps inside and part of the brain matter had hit the ceiling and it fell down the back of his shirt. Oh, I think this is a Vegas guy. This is the Vegas Sergeant. I think I saw that on your podcast. Oh, I think Brad, he may have done, he may have been in Vegas for a bit. He may have been in LA. I believe, but, um, but he, but just gross. Like I've stepped in that like, well, like how do you, like you said, how do you really? Oh no, it wasn't him. That was Chris Curtis. Yeah. Um, this other guy was Brad White, but just fascinating, fascinating story. But just here, like, I don't think nobody else goes to work and has this horror movie that can happen once, once in a while. Please see him tease fire. That's kind of it. Yeah. Yeah. Kelly Brook is Betway's casino ambassador and for all new customers, stake 20 pounds and get 150 free spins. Download the Betway casino app today. 18 plus T's and C's apply. Bet the responsible way. I'm going to talk. College football fans deserve the Sonic Smasher made with two hand smashed Angus beef patties, melty cheese and smasher sauce. And for a limited time, when you order one delicious Sonic Smasher in the Sonic app, you get a free large drink. 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Well, it, you know, obviously things are very politically charged right now more so than they've been in the past, I think in my experience. So it depends on if your mayor is supportive or not. Historically, I mean, I had several mayors on in 31 years as a police officer and some are more supportive than others. And some DAs get elected that are just like, oh, we're not going to make vandalism is no longer a crime. Larson is no longer a crime. Shoftlifting is no longer a crime. Well, the people in the stores are still calling us when someone's stealing $10,000 worth of shit, but the DA is like not prosecuting. So now that's why shit's locked up in all these stores. It's the DAs or like, you know, whether it's the Soros DAs or whoever the fuck they are that got elected that are softer on crime or whatever. That's your job as a district attorney to prosecute crimes. And those are state laws on the book. So if those laws are still on the books, then why aren't you prosecuting it? That's why shit is locked up in CVS because people can indiscriminately steal all over the country. They did not get prosecuted. We had one guy. He, it was him and his brother doing it. They were like two man, wrecking team, every CVS and Walmart, Walgreens. We added up just like one kid in one month. It was like $30,000 worth of shit he stole. Now how is target or CVS recouping that? They're not, that's gone, but the DA is under it, doesn't care. If you have a, like right now, there's a good DA in Boston, I think, and he's doing more to make, you know, working with the officers as a team, like we're on the same team here. We're just trying to prosecute criminals and help victims. And if, you know, the DA is not supportive of that, like what about all those victims whose houses are getting broken into or their property's vandalized? And the DA is like, yeah, we're not going to prosecute that crime anymore. What about the people who shit's getting stolen and ruined or whatever? Don't you care about them? Right. And don't you care about how they feel then about their city and about their country? And then you guys are the ones that have to deal with it on the street level. Oh, everyone hates us. They take it out on you, but still, if someone hates the mayor, they take it out on the police. You know what I'm saying? It's like, and you guys kind of can't probably speak up on it sometimes because you're in a position where you're working under that regime. Yeah, I think about that, about the border too, sometimes with like, you know, people illegally coming across the border. And then people can have whatever thoughts they want about people coming over. Right. I think everybody needs to be legally documented. That's here. However, they figure that out. But you know, but the people that matter, their whose opinion matters most to me are the people who live right. What about the guy right there? The border town who's trying to put his kids to sleep at night and they want to be able to feel safe that just just because they bought a house somewhere. That there's not people running through their neighborhoods. Whether those people have good intentions or bad, but just with the fear. The fear that it puts in their families. Yes, it's just all quality of life stuff is all quality of life issues and they don't seem to get that because it doesn't bother them if they're living in some, you know, multimillion dollar house somewhere of a nicer part of the city or state. It's not happening around them. Like you said, the people in the border towns, they don't have a choice. Yeah. It's especially if there's interview, if the, what about the, the, the guy who's worked at CVS for 20 years and he loves it, right? And he loves seeing people come in and he loves like that's something he knows some of the older people. He's watched them get older and come in and get their medicine. He's watched one of them lose their spouse over the years and now they come in alone, but he's like a smile in their life once in a while when they come in. And now he has to be a deterrent to crime. They come in with trash bags. Oh, it's unbelievable. It literally just clear the shelf. They go and sell, sell all their stolen shit at like the smaller bodegas and convenience stores. So they still, when they steal all the detergent and, you know, all that out, they still in baby formula has been locked up for years. They go and sell it. Oh yeah. I mean, the baby is so skinny. And the bodegas is buying it off them. They know it's stolen shit. So they're a fault too. Yeah. But like Doug, you said the employee, what about him? Like he doesn't want to do that when he goes to work. No. And then he has to. He's not a cop. He doesn't want to do that. He's not a cop. Yeah. He doesn't want to chase people. Yeah. That's the thing. They've made it so that almost every person has to feel like a cop. And then also that every part, that there's not a lot of support out there. Um, who, and, and that's a sick thing. And our government does that from the top down. And I believe that they, there is a reason they do that. They want to erode, uh, a sense of community and they want to erode a sense of normalcy and they're doing it. Yeah. You know, who's the mayor that they have now over there that's been supportive? Do you feel like Kara? Uh, we haven't had a supportive mayor. That's the DA Kevin Hayden. He's supportive. Our mayor, I don't. Hey, boy, out of Newton, huh? What's Newton like? Is it good over there? Uh, Newton's, uh, very, very nice city outside. It's not, it's a different city than Boston. Got a Newton over there. I definitely caught some new tie end Newton is. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm new big money to live in. Fig Newton. They call it. It was big money to live there. Oh God. Look at that. Bunch of people probably. He's, he's from there. I think he lives in the city now. He's Suffolk County. He's not attached to the city. He's Suffolk County over there, but our prior DA was, it was atrocious. I bet every kid over there has a signed Tom Brady football. That's that kind of. Well, he lived in Chestnut Hill, which is part of Brookline and Newton. It's like all sandwiched right in that neighborhood there. He lived in Chestnut Hill. Yeah, I bet all those kids have that. Dude. Um, yeah. How was the DA support been over there? So this is a district turning now. Yeah, he's good. It was he, uh, was he during your term? He was there when I retired. Yeah. He was appointed by Charlie Baker, preceded by Rachel Rollins. Yeah. Thumbs down on her. Oh, she was another district. Attorney. Yeah. And now, so she, she became a U S attorney under Biden. And then she was, um, I believe fired from U S attorney with some ethics violation or some such. Oh, Biden would hire anybody to sleep. He fucking dude. He was fucking got to hire Fred Flint. So someone on his staff thought she was a good fit. So she, sorry, she resigned before she was, uh, she was canned. Rachel Rollins was not formally fired, but resigned from position in May 2023, following multiple ethics investigations. Um, and yeah, and I don't know exactly what happened here, but what, what's it like from one DA to like, how can it be decided when we're going to prosecute Larson, he's shoplifting vandalism, the minor crimes. So she used to say those aren't right. Those aren't, I forget what, what verbiage was used. It was like they're not like not victimless crime, but they're trying to say that. No, they're not. Even if it's CVS or target, a big corporation. They're still losing millions of dollars. It was her. She, she, she was one of the ones that was not supportive. And do you think it's a DA in that space? Do you think she's making her own choices? Or do you think that's coming down from a hire? Do you allegedly, do you think it's coming? Cause it just seems crazy to say we're not going to prosecute crime. It's fucking the state law. How do you decide what you're during her campaign, Rollins, pledged to decriminalize certain offenses, such as shoplifting, drug possession. Yeah. Wanton, oh, wanton or malicious destruction or property, drug possession, intent to distribute. What? Yeah, it's crazy. That's why mass and cast, you've heard of the part of Boston. I don't know if you heard of the part of Boston called mass and cast. It is a disaster down there. This, this drug addicts everywhere, they're all over the streets, destroying property, there's needles all over the city and South End in that area. It's kind of, it was, it was focused there. And now they've tried to kind of break it up the last few years because it was insane and they, now they've pushed it out. Yeah. There was 10 cities down there. Look at this shit. Yeah. And look, and some people say this is just a bill. They have safe shootup zones there. They're letting them shoot up heroin to say in safe places. So now the needles are all over the South End and the poor people in the South End, they pay a lot of money to live there. There's a beautiful brown stones and now there's people shitting in their front yards, throwing needles everywhere, breaking. And say one guy was breaking into the house while people was under construction, on the second floor, this was just a few weeks ago. And there's a guy's family there with his kids and they had like an old key or something and they were breaking in and going to like shit in the floor on the second floor that was under construction. They went up and there's like a pile of human shit in his house. He's like, what's going on? They put up cameras. The guy was going in and out every night to like sleep on the floor in this house under construction and then shit on the floor. It's like the emoji or whatever. Yeah. Like what is wrong with you? What? So that part of the city, I felt bad for people who live down there. Oh, that's Atkinson street. Yeah. It's where is it? It's Atkinson street. It's near the jail. Yeah. Well, then look, and a lot of people say this is just a bills tailgate or something over here. I'm not saying that. Some people say this is a pinto tailgate. I'm not saying that. What we're saying is that this is a lot of drug use that's happening over there in, in, in this town in Boston. Yeah. But here's another thing though. They have this everywhere now. Oh, it's everywhere. Every city has this. It's just like. Every democratically run city, I think. Yeah. I could be wrong. Well, we don't have one here. I know that. I hope not anyway. I don't know. Austin got ruined. Austin was a blast. And I took my daughter there several years. I'd been there 10 years ago and I was like, this is the coolest place. Reminds me of here a little bit, like six ass, six street where all the bars used to be. And then I went back a few years later because my daughter's waiting to music. I want to take her and she was afraid to get out of the car. I went to, there were homeless people sleeping in hammocks strung from street signs and street and it was just rampant before they, like if you were homeless, you got arrested there, which isn't the best thing. But you got to do something. They're like throwing bricks through all the windows that have been there a long time. Austin got ruined. Let me see. Addles a shithole Portland. Yeah. Portland is, I'll have to sneeze, but Portland is a shithole, but also it's awesome. I will say this. Yeah. I was up there when I do landscape photography as a hobby or it used to, and I went up to Oregon and, and, um, in Washington and I love it. It's a coolest place. Like it's such a cool vibe, you know, and it's ruined. That element that's out there. It's like, why are we at? It's like. I don't know their end game. Like what is the point of ruining all these cities? I think they wanted to just, they want us to deteriorate. They want us to have no sense of purpose, right? They want us to like not have any pride in the places where we are because they've been so riddled. They get people addicted. You know, um, the opioid epidemic was put on America and was allowed to occur. Yeah. They want like that when I was young. No, they want this to happen. It is a, there is, it's no doubt to me that this is an organized agenda. Yeah. I don't get it. But I believe that people can fight back and I believe that. I think it started a little bit. I think so. And I hope so. And also it gives you a sense of purpose in the world. It's like you're here to defeat evil, you know, and we are all can be a part of that. And I think it's something that makes us feel that way. Let's pivot a little. You ended up in the, oh, quick question. Did you ever see Irish Mickey Ward? Did you ever run across him? When you were around over there? Did you ever hear about him or anything? Oh yeah. His boxer. Yeah. Yeah. I never ran across him. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. I was just watching the fighter the other day and that's about him. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't he in it? Did he play as the coach? Yeah. Oh, something. No, he, I thought they gave him a part. He was in it at the end. Okay. Christian Bale. Mark Wahlberg. Skinny for it. Yeah. Such a great movie, but and all the sisters and stuff. They did such a great job in that film. I got to go to watch Lainey Wilson last night. Oh, that's right. The concert. How was it? Yeah. I should have got y'all tickets. I didn't know we're here. Oh no. Good. That's okay. It was so great. It was so great. Jelly Roll was there. So I got to see him. Ella Langley. I got to meet her. She has a beautiful voice. It was just great. It was like a special time. Nice. Yeah. And Lainey's just a boss. She's just turned into like a, some people start to step into whatever gift they were given in the world and some people kind of meander around the outside of it, I think. And, and no way is, is like a Vic is better than the other really. I think it's all by person, but she is just really embraced this role of just being like this on stage presence. Yeah. She, it was really powerful to watch. She does a great job. Um, pivoting. Anyway, that's, uh, you ended up in the human trafficking unit. Yeah. So I was the safe term or how does that work? That's, so I was in a district detective at Dorchester and then I went for several years, like five years or so to the human trafficking unit. And then I went back to Dorchester, but yes, I had a five year stint in the human trafficking unit as a detective. So what, what is your definition of human trafficking? Let's just get that clear. Cause you hear so much, right? Like a few years ago, you would hear this social kickball that was big. This was four years ago and everybody notices it's gone now. Right. Notice how the kickballs fly. It's like, Oh, that's the big thing. Everybody's commenting on it online and now it's gone. Right. It's really out of the zeitgeist. I know it's still, there's still things happening, but notice how that happens, right? And everybody's like, you'd see memes online. It's like tonight while you sleep, one and a half million children will be taken across and trains across America being human trafficked. You're like, what in the shit, dude? So what did you really see? What were you expecting when you got into that space? So I didn't know, like everybody else, I didn't really know what that meant. I just, you know, I knew someone asked me to, if I wanted to join the unit. And, you know, I didn't know a lot about it. I thought it was just like the movies, like, you know, people being snatched off the street and forced into, to be processed. So in my experience, at least when I did it, that was not the case. So I guess human trafficking is like when someone's traffic for the purpose of to sell sex, right? Against their will through, you know, core, coercion or force or threats or whatever. But when I got there, a lot of the cases we had, it's funny, there were just several pimps that kind of ran the city that were involved. You always came back to the same like six or seven guys who always had all these different women working for them. And it was always girls, not always, I shouldn't say that. Mostly it was girls from the neighborhood or just outside the city, like the suburbs or whatever, and something in their life like was fucked up, whether it was, you know, a parent situation where they had one parent or they've been like sexually abused as kids themselves or there was like a DCF, which is Department of Children and Families, like they were foster kids. It was always kind of something missing. It could just be they weren't getting attention at home or they weren't happy. And the pimps, a lot of them could be very charming and they would meet these girls. They just meet them in the street, go to the train station. They hang at the tea, at the tea in Boston or I one girl was a guy who started talking to, talking to when she was walking down the street and like, oh, you're pretty. You want to be in a music video and she's like, she's like a teenage girl. Yeah, that'd be cool. And she went and like they shot the video and then like say, like we have to finish the video and then they like make her go to another state and like, like, oh, we're going to take pictures of you and put you online and you're going to, you know, have sex with these guys for money. They don't get any of the money. The pimps get all the money. So that was a situation where it was kind of she was not a lot. She was not willing. Like that was kind of a quick one, like over a week or two. But a lot of them, they groom the girls for a long time. They, oh, you don't have any money. I'll give you some money. I'll take you to get your nails done, honey. I had one guy, I literally had text messages for like a month's worth and you could see him groom and she worked in a store. I think her dad, her mother was, his was deceased and her dad now wanted to be a woman and it was like fucking with her head and he's like changed his name to Susan or something. And then she met this guy working in a store and he was like, he's like, oh, you're working today, honey, I'll bring you a tuna sandwich and I don't want you hungry. And it was, you could see it was like, you know, just progression of a relationship. And like a month later, she was like, oh, that's my boyfriend. A lot of things that pimps their boyfriend. And like a month later, you could see the messages. He's like, all right, we have seven guys coming in and, um, you know, you're going to do all seven of them at a party. There's like a bachelor party or some shit. And then she's like, can I keep, you know, a hundred bucks for the piggy bank? And he's like, no, it's all mine. It was like a thousand dollars. So it's like they see something missing in their lives and they just manipulate them or they're like, they're a little messed up to begin with. They're like, they're in a bad situation. They don't know how to get out of it. They think these guys are boyfriend. You'll do this if you love me kind of shit. So that was a lot of the sex trafficking you saw, huh? Yeah, that's what that was in my experience. Yes. There wasn't a lot of people being snatched off the street. Like no one's being shipped in and a shipping container from Russia and all these girls getting, you know, the nail salon, the, the, the, the spas are a little bit different. The Asian women, they were moving them around. Um, yeah, but those were tough because the second we try to like go in and they move, they're gone. They're gone to New York, New Jersey, different women. They're gone. They don't know their names. There's like, how many different dialects of can pronounce the name Chinese and trying to get our Chinese officers. Hey, can you translate this? And they're like, it's a different dialect. Like it was a disaster. So those were, those were tough. No, you're like, we're looking for. So we did those. Yeah, that's crazy. That kind of sits wild. And I don't like those kind of place. I'll say that I walk into one of those salons or whatever. I say, if anybody jerks me off, I'm jerking them off. That's what I tell them. No homo. But I'm, you know what I'm saying? I put the pressure on everybody in the building. Just so everyone knows what you're going to do. Don't even jerk me off. If somebody tries to even sneak up on me and jerk me off. Some of these girls were sleeping there. They would sleep on the bed at night when they close. Wake up and jerk you off. That's the problem. But one of them had, we went in one, they were sink. There were baby turtles in the sink filled with water swimming around. Like what the fuck is that? They like the animalia in there. They love aqua animals. They're going to make soup out of it. I don't know what the hell they were doing. I don't know what they were doing with those things. We're like, what the fuck? I don't know. You know, and we also did, part of human trafficking and we did, um, John, what we call John Sting's. We target the sex buyer rather than that's kind of a, it was a European model. They found to be more effective rather than, you know, cops used to arrest the prostitute. Well, what about the guy paying for it? Of course. Yeah. So then you target that angle of it. Like we're going to tell you, if you don't have buyers, then no one's going to be selling it to try to do it kind of backwards that way. So we would do what we call John Sting's and we put ads online, back page doesn't exist anymore, but we put them on that. It was Craigslist first and then it was back page. I don't know how they're doing it now, whether it's on Insta or, you know, tick tock, I don't know where the hell they're doing now. I've been out of the unit for about six years now. You know, parties and people would find people on back page and invite them over, you know, and like they would hire strippers and stuff like that to come and dance or hang out. So it was definitely a place where people were kind of illicit in illegal. Oh yeah. That was there. Yeah. When you put an ad in, you could pay extra to bump it at the top. So it was so prevalent when we were doing it, like we put an ad in the morning, say I put my ad on, we like three or four of us in the office would do fake ads. And you'd have to do like real photos because the guys who would do in it all the time, like we'll do reverse Google image search to find out, did this picture appear someplace else? So they know if it's a fake photo, because then maybe your cop, or you're not going to look like who you're pretending you look like. So we'd all put our ads up and then, you know, you put on eight at eight 30, your phone's ringing. It's crazy. Eight 30 in the morning, they're already starting to call and we'd set up our dates for the day. Like we'd have a hotel room and we'd be waiting in the hotel room and we'd have dates set up every half an hour to show up. And were y'all hot under the bed? No, no, it's hot under the bed. I would have to open the door and, and there'd be like guys like in the bathroom, officers in the bathroom behind the wall. So I, my trick was, and I was at like 45, 46 when I was doing it and my ad I'm supposed to be 34. I didn't fucking look 34, but I opened the door. I'd have like my hair. Oh, you would be the girl. Oh, I was a prostitute. Yeah. Yeah. What were y'all talking? So I'd have to talk to them on the phone. Were we all understaffed or something? They just shouldn't have you the, also the detective. Well, no, you have to have, you're the one, you're the one establishing probable cause. So it, it, if, if someone else is doing it and then you have to like go testify in court, well, you're not the one that had the interaction with them. So what we do, we put our ad on the line, online, you'd put your photos and some stupid saying like, you know, what you're offering and how much a cause. So it's, and it causes acronyms for everything. That's what I didn't know anything about this before I started about GFE, which is girlfriend experience. Means he'll kiss you. Full service means like sex and a blow job. And then there's like Russian and Greek and there's all these stupid acronyms for everything else. And they, they thought they were being clever by saying, Oh, I want GFE. So they're not asking for sex. Oh, I see. So by them saying, I want GFE or I want Russian or I want this, they think they're being clever, except you can say like, well, based on my training experience, I know Russian means titty job, like go whatever. And then so you taught, they call you on the phone. Titty job. Yeah, that's a Russian, by the way. I didn't know that. I'll take it. I mean, whatever they're, you know, I mean, it is, I'm sorry. Yeah. That's okay. So you'd, you'd basically talk to them on the phone. They call you and some of them are real nervous, obviously. You could tell the long time or say you got right to business and some of them want to flirt with you on the phone or whatever. Can you send pictures of your eyes or your feet? The foot fetish guys are out there big time. But, and then you're like, the more you do it, I'm like, I don't have time for the shit. Like, do you want to come? You want to show up or not? So you'd basically make the arrangement. So once they showed up, you already have probable cause. They always already agreed to pay you for sex before they ever showed up. So then by them showing up at the hotel, they're like basically completing the entire, um, the elements of the crime. They showed up, they already agreed to pay you for such and such. So then you can arrest them. Right. When they get there really. Yeah. But like, depending where we do it, if we did it like nights of downtown parts of the high end hotels would let us use their rooms. Oh yeah. I don't have to do anything in there. Every time we did it, we got a doctor. Every fucking time. The Brigham hospital, one of the best hospitals in the world, allegedly the Beth Israel thing. One guy showed up in scrubs with like Beth Israel hospital on it. Yeah. Like what the fuck? You on lunch break? It was crazy. We got doctor every time. Why you think? I don't know. Too busy, too busy to get a girlfriend. I don't know. I don't know. Or there, yeah, I wonder what that is. It's just interesting. It was, it, we always got in it. And when we did it in like the not so nice parts of town, then we'd get like, you know, the cable guys and the plasterers and for some reason I always felt bad for them. They don't have any money, but it's the same crime. So I shouldn't have felt bad for them. They were just, you know, but I did the rich guys, cause they've got very arrogant when you tried to arrest them. They were all arrogant. We had one guy who's a Northeastern university professor and he was on the phone with me saying, I'm a professor and he was trying to talk me down on my prices. I don't make a lot of money. That's what I would do. I would text him and I was like, look, how about this? $70. I don't have some ladies coming up for $70. I'm like, Jesus. And now I'm like, I was like, I would, he was bargaining with me. I don't make a lot of money. Meanwhile, I made more money than me, but he, I always laugh. He wanted me. He's like, well, you put me in yoga positions. That's what he wanted. He's fucking freaks. I'm like, yeah, I got my little is on. Come on over. Like you just, he wanted to be in yoga positions, me to put them in them. And then aggressive kissing. And when you get some weird requests or anything like that. Yeah. Like what, anything pretty wild? Like were they any like people want you to enjoy them and their wife? Like, join us like that? No, nothing. We never got those. We got a lot of almost everybody was married. One of them we did. We met him in a bar. He said it was the end of the night. He was too nervous to come to hotel. He said, never done this before or whatever. So we agreed to meet him downstairs at the hotel had a bar downstairs. And we were, I was just sitting there. And now again, I'm supposed to be 34 and even 10 years ago, I didn't look 34. I think you look great. I'm fucking look very full. Thank you. But so I'm sitting at the bar waiting and the signals for like me to touch my hair and this two cops down the end of the bar and he comes in, I see him walk past. He comes in and the bar is crowded. I see this guy walk in and I said, that's him. I knew it was him. You could tell like his face was he was, he wasn't like, Hey, I just got to a bar and he's all chilled. He was like intense. Scared. Right past me and went to the men's room. I looked at them like that's him. He's got his fucking Burberry scarf on and his, you know, $400 jacket. And he came over and approached me and he tapped me and it's, you know, said, Oh, my name or whatever. And then when they came up to arrest him, he fainted. We had so many guys faint or like collapse on the bed. He's, he went, his face, he was white as a ghost and he just went down. So the officers like drag him out to the vestibule, the bar. Well, like we got to call us guy in the ambulance, but he's snapped to it. And he's crying and shit. And he's like, Oh, I'm too, he's like 30 years old. And like, dude, he's like, I'm so anxious all the time. I'm trying to get my wife pregnant. I was like, you think you're going to get a pregnant by fucking a prostitute? Like what is wrong with you? I mean, it's worth a shot. I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying you go fuck a stranger. And they, none of them, when nobody wants to use a condom, that was bearback. That was another code. They were doing bearback. That was a code BBBJ's bear back. Bear back. So they, they didn't want to, oh, there you go. Here you go. Bearback sex without condom. Yeah. BBB. And they'll ask you how much extra, like how much will you charge me for a bearback? So none of them wanted to use a condom. So they're all going home to their families after fucking some rando who's going to have sex with five people that day. Yeah. Like how many diseases? Not to mention what township was it in? It's Boston. Yeah. So this guy's bringing the, oh, I'm trying to get my wife pregnant. What are you bringing home? Yeah. Bottom bitch. That's the pimps main, main girl. She's the one who runs it for him. I see that in the terminology. Yeah. Let's see some more terms here. The in call. Yes. That's only B. C. They go on forever. Huh. Yeah. And where, where people ever asked who I'm trying to think of anything, where people ever asked for like golden showers, urination type of thing. I never had, I never got asked for those. One thing they asked you for the guys, like, will you do a handy? And I've like, is that a quick hand job? Like I had no idea what the fuck it was. And my partner at the time is like Googling on the urban dictionary, like what's that? And it was some crazy thing about choking and she's on top and then you flip and he's on. I was like, how the fuck did they come up with these names? Like what does that even mean? That's all that Cirque du Soleil shit people are doing now. Like how is that a handy? Because I was like, is that it? Like what is that? That's all that welterweight stuff. I don't know what it is. What about, was there a lot of stuff like people want you to touch their, the hole in their butt or anything like that? Like any weird stuff? No, they never got that specific on the phone. They, but they would ask for anal. That was great. They were like, were you do one of them? They're clever way. They're like, ooh, do you speak any languages? So then I'm supposed to say, yeah, I speak Greek and Russian. That's what I mean. They think they're clever. They have all these weird online forms where they talk about the prostitutes. They rate them. I forget with the page that used to rate them on. So that's why we had to change up our photos and use real stuff. Cause these guys all talk to each other. It's the long, the guys that do it all the time, not the one timers. The lifers. Or yeah. So dabblers like yourself. Dabblers. Yeah. In and out. In and out. In and out. Yeah. They talk to each other and rate the girls. It's crazy. It's a crazy life. And when would a night like that for you guys in, like, was there a certain point where you guys shut it down? So like the calls would start coming in the morning and we'd like, we'd have, you know, hire overtime to transport out cause they'd be showing up. Sometimes they show up at the same time. Like, oh, shit. They come into the same room. So we try to stagger the dates, dates and we'd have them schedule the area hour, every half hour, whatever. And after like eight or 10 hours, a boss would call it. We always did a Super Bowl weekend. It was Cook County in Illinois did a big funding thing for it. They got money from the feds and they all kind of agreed to do it. So at certain times of year, Super Bowls were always when we did it. So we call it a night after like eight, after we rest like 12, 14 people or whatever, she'd be like, all right, that's enough. Like stop answering the phone. So on Super Bowl weekend, you guys are, so on most Super Bowl weekends, you guys are doing that. We were when we were in the human trafficking unit. Yeah. But it's, we got one guy, he was, he was, I was talking to him on the phone. I'm like, this guy is so fucking old. Now I'm laughing. I was very shy about it when I first started doing that. I don't know who the hell, I'm not a prostitute. I don't talk to these people. So I'd be all anxious, like hiding in the bathroom. So that's just eight cops in there. I don't want them listening to me. Like, yeah, he could stick in my room for an extra 50. Like I was embarrassed. And then I got more comfortable and they would just be laughing. Like I'd just be like, yeah, this is what you want. Okay. And everybody's laughing. One guy, this guy was so sounded so old and he's like, you got it. You know, yeah, yeah. I'm an older gentleman and I remember saying, that's all right. I'll take it easy on you. And then he shows up. He's like shorter than me. Turns out he's like multi-millionaire philanthropist from Beacon Hill on the boards of like children's hospital and all this crazy. He laughed. He burst out laughing when he got arrested. He was a tiny little guy with glasses. He laughed. Everyone else shits himself or gets angry. Um, but he laughed. He's the only one he didn't give a shit. He said, yeah, I'll pay the fine. I don't care. Just get my phone back. We take all their phones. And I remember I was doing a detail at Fenway Park and he was in contact. He's like, I paid my fine. Can I get my phone back? Cause we take their phones as evidence. We have to show their text messages or whatever. And if they plead, play the fine or plead out, they get their property back cause the case is, is, is done. But if they're fighting it, then we keep the evidence because we have to, you know, do a search warrant on the phone and all this stuff. He's again, I paid my fine. He literally showed up at the red. I'm like, I'm working in detail. Like you can come and get it. So I was in uniform that day cause normally I'm not uniform. And he showed up and he's laughing in the car. I'm like, here's your phone. I'm like, what's the matter with you? Like, why don't you got, we got money. Go get a girl for these. Like, ah, it's not worth the trouble. I was like, all right, have a good day. He did not give a shit. Yeah. Gosh, dude. Did you, did you ever just like accidentally just hook up with one of them? Like, did that ever happen? No, no, that's it. Like, did one of her show up and you were like, oh, this guy's kind of cute. I wish it wasn't like this. No, I never thought I wish it wasn't like this. But yeah, some of them weren't, you know, that's what we say. Some of them are good looking. You're like, what's, go get it. What's wrong with you? Like you're a good look. We used to say like, you're a good looking dude. You can get a girlfriend. Some of them are like, I can grow tasks. Like you could see why they're paying for it. Like I said, the doctors don't have time. Maybe I don't know. They don't want the commitment, but some of them will be good looking dudes. Like what's wrong with you? I think for some guys, they, they have a, their sexual experience, especially if it starts off with pornography a lot of times is really, well, that's an issue. Now they don't know what's real life. You know, but then it's a save. Like, you know, if it starts off with pornography, it's very skewed, right? Because this is a, an environment that's kind of like, um, you can get exactly what you want out of pornography. You can just put the terms in, you get what you want and, uh, that's your intimacy. So that's how you build it, right? So then it almost makes, it doesn't, it's not right. Doesn't make anything right or anything like that. And some people will agree, you know, like prostitution is one of the oldest businesses in the universe, right? It's always been there. Um, but some people they, the next, the closest way they can get somebody is almost just trying to create the same thing, but in real life, right? So like I need to create the same thing where it's like, I can kind of get what I would like. Yeah. Um, these are my Google terms. These are the things that I like and I'm going to pay for that. They don't want to waste time. Maybe I don't know. Oh, I think some people for sure it's time. It's like, I don't want to have a big relationship, but it's not to have some sex, I don't want to take someone out to dinner every, you know, twice a week and spend hundreds. And there's a lot of that that goes on and I don't look down upon any of it. I just think it's, it's, it's interesting that, you know, but yeah, the laws are the laws in those, and that's just what your experience was like. Yeah. So what I learned is like, I, you know, it's like, Hey, if a girl wants to do it, but in reality, I think 99% of the time they're not making a dime. So they're doing it all on the PIM stick and all the money. So that's why I was like, well, that sucks. Like, wait, I had like one girl who was like, no, there's not much I make. And she does, but something called sissy play. And I was like, what's guys who like want not want to get hurt, but close to not like say domesticism or whatever. But, um, she made a lot of money. She's like, I make, you know, $500 an hour or whatever. I was like, shit. I mean, I probably be like, we need to do job. I'm going to retire. Like, what the hell? I know a dude like that. She kept her own money, but literally out of everyone else I ever met, they didn't, they didn't keep it. They had to hand it over. So guys think when we tried to do it as like an education thing, we tell the guys when we rest them, like, we're not doing this to hurt you because they're always like, don't tell my wife, like everyone would panic. Say, look, it's kind of was palsy at the time, like an education thing. We're trying to make you aware. These girls, you think that you're doing something and you're paying for the service, they're giving you the service and everyone leaves happy. But the girls weren't getting the money. They were getting the shit kicked out of them half the time. Oh, that's heartbreaking. So. Oh, yeah. Happy stuff. I hate to tell people I worked there because it was like a conversation killer. Like you'd see people's shoulders just droop. You're like, oh, you work in the improv unit. Like, oh, so, you know, nothing good there, nothing good happening there. Well, it's just interesting how perverse like sexuality can get in the things that cause it in our world, you know, it's another thing, why they even allow pornography to exist. Like, um, I don't know if we need it. Like as readily available as it is. We had a woman come on named Lala McAway and she was telling us that a lot of the pornography you see online, it's, uh, non-consensual, right? And so a lot of times you could have somebody basically masturbating or watching and, and enjoying, uh, a crime and they don't even know it. So just the whole circle of it all is kind of the same thing. Um, but then I have friends that, uh, do sex work and they work for themselves and, and they're masterful at it. Fair enough. If they, if they're working for themselves and they want to do that and they're making the money, that is victimless. Yeah. And I think, and people may have issues with people on both sides of the transaction, probably have some issues. Um, and may or may not, it could be different, but, uh, but anyway. Yeah, that would just be, but yeah, some people are in a weird stuff. I had a buddy, he would hire a woman just to tickle him until he shit himself. Oh, fuck. This is some weird shit out there. There's a lot of fetishes, man. That's why I found out, but I started putting my feet in the photos cause I was like, I gotta get the foot fetish guy. Cause people want some, like the guy wanted me to put him in yoga positions. How does that do it for you? Yeah. It's bizarre. Like you said, the guy didn't want to tickle till he got to the shit. That's a really specific wish. Oh, if you tickle me, how do you get there? Yeah. How do you get there? I'm like, were you tickled as a kid and we're like, Oh no, I'm going to shit myself. And then as adult, that's what it does it for you. Probably. I don't know where you watch a funny movie and then you have to pee. Like maybe, I don't know. I don't know how you start. I don't know how you get there. But yeah, if somebody tickled me to last shit, I would be upset. Right. I think overall, I think most would. Did you ever feel like you were, had to be like a protector for these women? Or is it a lot of them feel like they just, they were in their own space and that's what they wanted. And it's not something you can really help with. Like a lot of the women. It was a lot of the case. It was a lot of, um, I felt like you just bang and they head off the wall, go nowhere, you help somebody, you get them, you get them away from somebody, you get them into, it's like a safe home. Like there was a woman who ran a nonprofit, a place to put these people, get them some clothes. Like a lot of them, they'd steal their shoes and their IDs and their phones or whatever. So they couldn't run away. Um, so you find them a place to stay and, you know, get them target gift cards. They can go buy like a toothbrush and some soap and then like the middle of the night they jump out the fucking window. So like you do, you're like getting called out of your house at 10 o'clock and I need to go help somebody. And then they're like, Oh, well, she's gone. And so many of them ended that way. Or they just disappeared. They wouldn't testify against them. So the cases went nowhere. So it was a little frustrating. Yeah. I think it's people, you can't help people till they are ready for some help. Exactly. Yeah. Did you, what about anywhere? Was there any gay act? Was there any gay pimps out there? Was that that kind of thing? I don't know. Or do you, a guy ever lie and say, like, when you busted him, like, say you sent him up with a female prostitute and he, he just like, he was like, I'm gay. I'm just joking. You know, happy Halloween or whatever, you know, they never tried that. I mean, the jigs up as soon as they show up. God, most of them knew it. They like fall on the bed and couple of them cry. Like really? Yeah. But no, none of them, no one ever tried to show the gay card. Me like, it wasn't me. Yeah. I'm just here for fun. Yeah. I'm just, I was just joking. Just fucking with you. Did. Um, you, you had a, you had an investigative, you had a three year investigation that you worked on. Yeah. That was a human trafficking case that I did with, um, uh, someone from home and security investigations. Okay. And what was that? Like take me through some of that story. You had a three year investigation. That actually started with the one I told you, the girl, the music video. Okay. That's how it started. And we, we got a call to children's from children's hospital in Boston. Um, saying this girl there said she was raped in Rhode Island. Um, she, I think she was 15 maybe or 16. That's how that case started. And then we found out, uh, all she had was a nickname. Wasn't even guys real name. She had like his Facebook page and a nickname. Like smokey or something. Yeah. I don't want to say it. Okay. Sorry. Never mind. No, the guy, yeah. I was just guessing if it was smoky. It wasn't smoky. Okay. Um, so she all, she has a nickname and we kind of worked backwards from that. Like one of the home, my security agents drove the girl. She's like, Oh, this, this woman drove me to Rhode Island, but she wasn't involved, but she drove me and this is where she lived. She lived in this neighborhood. That's where I had to meet her. So the home and security guys started driving around and we saw the car in the neighborhood and got the license plate. So then I start looking on my end, cause he doesn't have access to Boston police reports. I start looking for the license plate, um, and a car that matches her description. Cause we don't know if it's exact and I find a car, but it's a guy's name. But then I start looking for reports with someone for that last name. And then I found a woman with that last name and with her first name, she, cause she told me the girls, she knew the woman's first name. All we have is a first name and a red car. So then I find the last name in the car registration. I find old reports with this woman with their first name, the same last name. And we're like, Oh shit, that, that we pull up the, you know, we did a photo ray to show the girl and she's like, that's her. So then we start talking to her and we end up going, it was like a spider web. So these two guys, there were two guys who pimped her out in Rhode Island, but she did get raped by some guy. The guy in Rhode Island, I got like seven years for the rape or something. Um, cause she did not go willingly. And those two guys worked for another pimp and he had women all, I think he was in his late twenties and he had, um, I think like 11 baby mamas and like 17 kids or 14 kids, something crazy. But he had like 27, 28 victims, girls that worked for him over a period of time, including a bottom bitch. She's like the girl that works for him who recruits girls and is basically in charge of everything, collecting the money, whatever she works herself to, usually the bottom bitch. Um, but that took like three years because we were like in Maine, New York, these girls went to New Jersey, they went to Vegas, California. Uh, they were drive, they would drive to Vegas and work and then drive back, but he had all these women work from him. And he was very, very violent. Like he would beat the shit out of the girls. He would pee on them, stole their shoes, their licenses, their cell phones. So they couldn't call home. Like, like I said, some of these girls came from like messed up places and it took like three years to get enough people too. Cause every time we found somebody, we found somebody else. Yeah. Um, so, uh, that took a long time. But that was, uh, that was, he was, he was, I think he got like 33 years in jail. Cause that went federal because of all the different States. That was a biggie. Well, thank you for that. Thank you for that work. Um, I like to go back to the district. I mean, I liked it at the time the schedule work, but the district is great people like the patrolman. Cause when you were in the human trafficking, there's no patrolman. It's just detectives. So it's like four or five detectives and a supervisor. When you go back to the district, there's, you know, 100, 200 people there. So it's a lot more fun. Yeah. You're part of life. We laugh all day and stuff like that. So I was happy. I realized that kind of stuff. I go hang out with the football team around here sometimes. And, uh, it's just like some of the best parts of my week because there's just people around. It's like, otherwise my life is very much like kind of by myself or like not by myself, but it's a limited amount. You know, it got, it got, um, it got old. And again, all the cases most of them go nowhere. So that's frustrating. And I wish one to go, you know, back to the district where, and it's great people, they're the best people on earth. And you just had laugh all day, you know, like when it's real shitty, like the one with the guy, you know, two women stabbed and the dog was stabbed in the stomach or whatever. Like those are like, we work with really good people. We're all there together. Yeah. Yeah. And you, um, and you won detective of the year for that, right? Yeah. For the federal mess, for the three year. Yeah. Let's go. Karen, congratulations. It's funny, you know, Mark Wahlberg was at the ceremony for the Boston police foundation gave me the award. The detectives union did too, but the Boston police foundation did. It's like a nonprofit. And at the time they were promoting the move at Patriots day in Peterburg. The director and Mark Wahlberg were there and for the award ceremony. I gave them a picture with them or whatever. You did? Yeah. That's cool. I'm going to have to. I will. Yeah. They were, they were promoting that. I'll text Mark and send him our picture. I don't know if he probably doesn't even know I am, but I think I accidentally snuck his number off of a sheet one. Mark Wahlberg. Yeah. Yeah. Cause he's from Dorchester where I was a detective. Yes. Oh, and then I'll make sure that's where he and his brother's the families from. Not even in a bright way. I'll just be like, Hey, this is awesome. Um, I just want to let you know, I met one of Dorchester's finest today right here. But congratulations. That's so cool. Did you get that? Make you feel a sense of accomplishment? Yeah. I mean, I worked hard to get, again, it was with Homeland Security and Homeland Security agent. She, she did a shit ton of work more than me. She was great. We worked together on it. And like I said, it was a long, it was a long investigation. So I was very happy to be, have it resolved, you know? Yeah. And the process of it, someone, the Pimp who was in charge who thought the first two pimps that got caught with a girl in Rhode Island, um, that I found through a nickname or whatever, they thought one of them was right into the feds. So he had someone shoot one of them in the head. No. He lived, but not good. It was like a piece of pie was missing from his head. And he just, he could sing, but he couldn't talk. He could no longer speak. And that's when I found that they said in the brain, like, oh, it's different parts of the brain. He could like sing the alphabet and happy birthday, but he couldn't speak. And he was not ratting to what the feds. He was nobody. He was like a way in New Jersey. Not at that point. You're like, who did it? And he's like, D-E-F-G. Yeah. I got, I was in court on something else. And one of the days. L-M-N-O-P. Did you hear this guy got shot? And I was like, what's his name? I was like, oh, shit. That's what look up for him. We have an arrest warrant for him. But that guy had him shot. Man, to get caught up in such depths of darkness. Yeah. Yeah. So that was, I was glad to be done with that one. Is most of your social life with with police officers and cops and stuff? It is. It was when, until I moved. I moved out of Boston. I moved to South Carolina. You did? Yes. No way. What part do you live in? Yeah, I live just outside of Charleston. Dude, I used to go to college at Charleston for one semester. Nice. Yeah. I used to live around King Street, above her buddy's apartment for a while. King Street is the shit. It was pretty neat. It was a little bit different, but it was fun. And it's beautiful over there. It's gorgeous. And I don't want to be cold. So, and I'm not a Florida person. And your daughter lives over there? Yeah. You guys got Folly Beach. That's right there. Yeah. IOP, Palm Solvends Island. Yeah, but they, she lives, we live north of, just north of Charleston. So, yeah, we moved there. So, right before I moved, forget where we're going with this. What was I saying? Is most of your social life with the police officers? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Until I moved, yes. And it's weird. Everyone's like, oh, you got to have friends and aren't cops. So, I have friends that I'm still friends with from high school, that I've been friends with for 40 years. So, I have a core group of girls, a few girls that I've known since high school. But it's weird when you become a cop, like it's hard to talk to regular people. If only because I always said I felt like a party trick. If you're out in a large group and someone's like, oh, they're a cop. Do you got any stories? Do you have a shoot anybody? Shoot him. No, I didn't fucking shoot anybody. And if I did, it was a bad day. So, maybe I don't want to talk about it. So, I think that's why we all just end up hanging together. Cause we get it, whether it's, you know, cops or nurses or whatever. Yeah. They get it because you don't want to feel, you don't, you don't want to be performing all the time. Like, I don't want to talk about it. Sucks. Yeah, you were a cuss. Some of it's funny. Just handcuffed sex jokes and stuff. Dick on the sidewalk sounds funny, but that was a sock more. Morning, you know what I mean? More for that kid than me, but in baby in a trash can and all this other shit. It's hard. First of all, a lot of these sound like, uh, like, um, a lot of these sound like baby shower party games too. I know. I'm gonna say that. And that's not what we're doing here today, guys. It's just kind of some of the way things sound. Yes. So that's what those are my, what I call my chapter, my titles of my chapters of the alleged book I'm going to write. I love it. That's why I shortened it like that. But like, you don't want to feel like you're on all the time. So that's why we hang together. Cause we all get it. And we have a weird sense of humor with different people. Like when we have Christmas, but I run the, I used to run the Christmas parties for our district and they'd be like, Oh, we can section off a part of the bar. We're like, no, no, no, no, we have to be in our own space. Like we are not FIFA public society. I used to say, cause we say shit that is not funny. And if it's funny to us, but if like random normal people who just go about their business, heard some of the shit that we'd say they'd be horrified. Oh, I've had very recent experience with some of that and I feel you a hundred percent. Yeah. Um, wow. Was it hard to move away then? No, I was ready. You were. Yeah. I was done and I wanted to be more on my daughter was already down here. So. Oh, your daughter lives in Charleston. Yeah. Oh, that's great. So I wanted to come down. Is that your only child? Yeah. Oh, she's beautiful. Thank you. Um, and are you still married or no? No, it's worse. Okay. Yes. Yeah. And was that hard? Is it hard to keep them? Do a lot of officers married and is there a lot of dating on the force? What's it? What's that kind of life? Life for? Yeah, it's a little. It seems very tough. Spend a lot of time together. So there's always a lot of relationships for him in the police department. Like cops end up married to each other. Um, I'm divorced. I've been divorced for years. Uh, it's funny. My ex-husband and his new, he's remarried wife. They moved down here too. Oh, nice. Yeah. So we all get along. So they, so they could be near my daughter and they have a child as well. So she has, she has a brother with him, but, um, it's hard. Relate. It seems easier now for some reason. Cops now in my experience that I've seen are more family oriented than they were when I was young. There was a lot more drinking going on then. Like guys would stay late in the parking lot and like no one will go home. And now everyone's all about their family. So I think it's morphed, whether it's who they're choosing or who wants, no one wants the job. First of all, by the way, when I took the police exam, like 10,000 people took it and now they can't even get like 800 people to take the test. No one wants. I mean, it's terrible. People hate us. Of course, when you, when your district attorney is not supporting you, when your government isn't supporting you all over the country, like no, we're not the fire department. Everyone in America's heroes is the joke. We laugh that no one wants to see us coming. And it's just gotten worse and worse over time because we're not politically supported even nationally, uh, weren't in the past. It's changed. Um, so it's hard to maintain relationships like unless you, because we're with each other, we all work 12, 14, 16 hours a day. And so that's how you cut a lot of them end up together. Yeah. I think. And then again, cause they understand it. It's hard for a non-police person to understand what's going through our crazy heads cause we're all crazy. Oh, we wouldn't take, we would have taken the job. I think if it didn't make you crazy, I can't even imagine. You have to drive in a car that has a siren on it. First of all, this comes out. Sometimes it's kind of aggravating. And then when you get there, you might have to shoot somebody or get shot. Yeah. I'm out. Yeah. It's a lot. You know, it's a lot. So it's a lot for a regular person to live with someone who's, who's dealing with that. I think. Yeah. Is it hard to keep the work at work for a lot of people or is it not? Is it. I, it's changed. I mean, it varies by person. Some people can shut it off. They don't give a shit. Just go home and shut it off. And some people get really, you know, fucked up over it and drink too much or they're too, you know, meant to like depression or whatever. So. What did you think about Trump utilizing the National Guard to help out in some of these cities? I thought it was fucking great. I did too. I mean, if the mayor's not going to fix it, you can't have that much chaos in the streets. It do something. I agree. The fact that they're fighting it like, Oh, how do you clean up my city? Are you insane? I would love if there's military in it. I mean, like, especially if it helps us get to a point where we don't need that, where there's a bit of, you know, where it solves the problem. It's funny when everyone was hating on us a few years ago, bad after George Floyd and stuff. Everyone hate us. Video taping you everywhere you go. Cameras, every, every radio call you're at the phones out in your face. They're waiting for something to happen and they're cursing at you spit. Not like they spit on you when they talk and that's not, and you can't react to that. You can't be like, you know, you can't get into it with people. And so we're, what pieces of shit? Yeah, everyone, that's who does it. Everyone, everyone piece of shit does it. But then you find out like the normal people in the neighborhoods, they want us there. They come out there like, thank you. Thank you for coming. But that's doesn't happen as often as you'd like. And it is interesting. It is like, you know, I think it is a nice reminder to find ways to stop by our police and fire departments and be supportive, you know, one thing that's kind of fun about fire departments, I'll say, as you can walk by and see the guys right there sometimes, right by the truck, you know what I'm saying? You can go up and say, Hey, you can go up and like, yeah, it's not like walking into a police station, right? Yeah, dare you like, okay. That's has to be secure because there's prisoners inside and there's firearms. So it is different. Camp is open and welcoming. And a fire department is just a crock pot full of freaking ballpark Franks going on. So it's a different now they'll guard those with their life. Some of those guys. Different atmosphere. Yeah. Yeah. And there's the one guy that's like afraid to slide on the pole. He just waits here. Everybody else goes and then he just takes the stairs real fast. But it's none of that's any judgment. These guys are heroes. But that's one thing that's nice. Like we're in New York the other day and they were even doing a call and we like took my buddy's son up and he like, well, where is little fire jacket around town and he'll just like go get into the fire truck and shit. It's like they come back and we're just like, this kid's in their truck. But kids love fire. Oh, they love that. I mean, that's, you know, and cruise. They like the noise, the noise and the lights. It's exciting. I think it's cool. You know, um, um, oh, uh, look at this. Here we go. Um, Sean Diddy com sent tensing live updates. Combs gets 50 months in prison. That's actually not that much. Four years for his conviction on two prostitution related offenses. What were the offenses? Can you let me know? He must have been sex trafficking of a minor, maybe. Of the most. He got acquitted of the most serious charges faced, racketeering, conspiracy and sex trafficking found him guilty on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. You know, I personally thought that this whole thing was something they were trying to create during the election of kind of like, I don't know how they were trying to use it, but I thought it was, they were trying to do some crazy shit. Oh, for sure. I mean, but do you think he was just a freak that got really addicted to what he was doing and a pal like a power hungry from what I hear he's a very power controlling type of. Yeah. I mean, I obviously don't know the gist of the cases, why they charge him with conspiracy and sex trafficking with their minors involved. So I don't know why. Yeah. So we got watches over four years. I don't know what he, I mean, you can't get them for sex parties. So there's obviously something there. That's a good point. And who knows what they kept back. Who knows what got like behind closed doors. Yeah. Yeah. Victims don't want to testify. Was he the one with the girl who was kicking the shit out of in the hallway at the elevator? That was pretty bad to watch. Yeah, nevermind. You know what? Fuck that. Give him fucking 10 more years. I am. I'm sorry. I, I, and you know what's messed up. I forgot about that. Yeah. You know, there's so much evil shit out there. Sometimes it's nonstop every week. There's something else every day. Something else comes out. So, but do you think it, okay. So going back to that, so that statement, and I agree with this a lot, but if we go back to like working the beats on the indoor chest, when you were starting, like. There's a better way to do it, right? There's a better way we can be. Yeah. People have to be human beings, but there's a lot of people that aren't. There's pieces of shit for whatever reason, whether it's poverty or their upbringing or drugs, mess of fucks up families to know it. And so I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. It's not what we're doing. Right. I wonder if it's what we are doing or what is being done to us. It's having more of an effect on us or, or probably some, some. Well, yeah. When we can't control it, people are going to be piecing shit and bad. Like that's not our fault. That's not your fault. We didn't do anything. We're just going about our business, having a job, getting up in the morning, going to work or whatever. Yeah. The people that choose to, I'm just going to fucking rob this person. Some people are just bad people. Yeah. Some people end up that way because of the way they're raised and some people are just fucking bad. They really are. It's the way they are. Yeah. And I think sometimes we do get caught in this space of like, oh, we have to recuperate everybody and we gotta save everybody. Right. There's real victims out there. Right. It's not them. It's not those guys. That's a good point. Oh, when it came to the prostitute, the, the John, the pimps and everything like that, is there a certain like ethnicity? Like, is it Asian? Is it black? Is it white? Is it the pimps? Do you hear like a certain, is that a, is that whole universe of a certain world? Like we're a lot of these, cause you always hear like Asian prostitution. Like, was it a certain, or is it anybody? So the spas were Asian. Their pimps were Asian, but the ones in my experience and all of my cases, um, whether they were male or female pimps, cause we had a couple of females, they were, um, they were black, they're African American. Really? Yeah. Like female pimps too. They worked. Yes. They ended like the bottom bitch. They ended up kind of working on their own. The most common ethnicities of pimps in the United States, according to available arrest, that and research are predominantly black African American, making up about two thirds of identified or arrested pimps. Wow. Followed by a smaller portion of Latino, white, multiracial mixed people. They'll do, they'll pretty much do anything. And Asian individuals. Yeah. The spas were, um, the guy, people running those were Asian. That's kind of crazy. I wonder, well, maybe it has a lot to do with that music that's in that culture too, just the way that some of that music is so vulgar and like bitch, pimp and that, you know, stuff's glorified. Yeah. It's a good point. I think that, that culture has the most glorification of the music of the performers. Now a lot of the, uh, a lot of the producers and agents of that group are white. Um, so certainly just as much responsibility. Yeah. Thank you so much, uh, for hanging out. I want to know what do you like to do now? So are you retired now? I just retired three months ago. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Very happy. I put in, he's supposed to put in 32 years to get your full pension, but I gave up after 31. What? Yeah. 32 years. You get your, so you still get, you still get a pension. I know I get my pension. It's just not the most you're going to get is 80% of your salary after 32 years. And I stayed till 31 years and I get like 77% or something. That's fair. Yeah. I'm down south and I go to the beach. I paint, I do all the painting in my, um, as a hobby. You do? Yeah. Would you do us a little bitty painting and we could put it in here? No, I'm fucking terrible. I'm just learning. I copy artists that I like. That's how I'm learning. It's like mixed colors and stuff like that. So I copy artists, paintings that I appreciate and I try to recreate them just in the learning process. I'm terrible. I'm brand new. If you ever do want to do something even small, it can even be years from now. You want to, uh, send you a little painting. Yeah. My niece is an actual painter. And I told her I was coming. She's like, bring, bring the paint. Oh, that's cool. That's sweet of you. Well, I'm glad that I asked. That would be really nice to have because then I can tell people who it's from. All right. Um, and thank you so much for your service. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Oh yeah. Have a normal people on and not just, you know, like you, it's nice to have somebody who gives a shit what we're doing instead of, you know. Yeah. Well, I think I'm learning more that that's just so much more important to me. Sometimes I think, I don't know. This whole thing has been interesting, like just talking to people and stuff like that. Cause I'm not really the best interviewer, but I do. I am curious about people. Well, that's what makes a good interview. You ask people questions, you know, your interviewer. Come on. Well, that's. Thank you. You're welcome. My love, the Amish kid interview. That was good. Oh, he was good. He was great. He was very well-spoken. He was just very direct. He seemed so natural at it. He really did. I know. I see your hat there. I like it. Oh yeah. That's he gave that. It's really him. And Louis C. K. Just gave me his new book. I'd give it to your daughter, but it's kind of for boys. It's a boy book. Is it a novel? It is. And he did a really great job writing. All right. He's funny. He's funny shit. I know he had trouble in the past, but he's a funny bastard. Yeah, he is. Yeah. And I'm so glad he had trouble in the past because that's how he and I got to know each other because we've all had trouble in the second and that. So it's good. That's great. Yeah. Um, and in the spirit of service, we got a picture of our, this is our Jim Jeffries, he was a comedian that was on. That's his nephew. Oh, nice. Lieutenant Max Nugent. Yeah. Who was, um, an officer in the Australian army and he passed away. Any helicopter crash? So he is our, he's our hero. So we're excited to have him. And yeah, it's nice. Yeah, he's cool. He's got it. He seems like a neat guy. So I'm sure we'll get to know, uh, channel some thoughts and feelings and energy from him over the years. But anyway, thank you both for your service. Uh, congratulations on your move. And you look lovely. And I wish you a beautiful second half of your life as it evolves. Thank you so much. For bringing your daughter. And, um, we got you guys set up for dinner night over at 1230 club. That'll be fun. That's lovely. Thank you so much. Yeah. I appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yep. Lovely to meet you. So it's gonna take.