Ep 1263 | The Robertsons Warn the Epstein Files Unmask a Rotten Culture & Ancient Evil

I am on a shame. What about you? Welcome back to the on a shame podcast. Jason, you had an interesting day yesterday. Well, check them on phone. Exact sent me a text. I'm looking at you, Zach. Just hey, hey, man. We text each other a lot sometimes when we're actually here talking to you guys. This is a little bit funny. Crazy. Maddie, you text me something and Zach will take this. Yeah, we're starting a little late today. OJs had a rare midweek event and it's my first event of 2000. Well, the problem was we had planned on this a while back because we've obviously known about the event. But then we had the recent ice apocalypse in which pushed all our recording to this week. And so it's been a little bit of a schedule, Buster. What's going on? Well, I was going to a little place called Dalton, Georgia. And I don't know in the area. Oh, this is going to be funny. And then we're triple J. Johnny Joey Jones is from Dalton. He may be. I think he might. I think he may. If you need some carpet, you can ask him. Yeah, because they make carpet there. This is the carpet capital. Yeah, that's where he's from. Of the world. I wish I didn't know that. Look, you know what I did in my opener? Because I guess the older I get. Which look, I want to say this off about first of in the year. They said, you have 40 minutes. And I stopped at 39. Well, that's a miracle. Without any notes. That's a miracle. So it was really. Our first event we had last week, we only had 30 minutes because they had a Q and A after. But it's very hard for Lisa and I both to do our presentation at 30 minutes. So anyway, for my opener, I mean, I look, the trip got bumpy. The reason we were late is because you went, you went on a, somebody sent a plane for you. Yeah, and I usually don't do that for, because we've had some, some rough experiences. I think Aunt Bonnie, he travels with me when Missy doesn't go. She sends a representative to watch me, I guess. No, she does a good job organizing events and everybody needs to see. She's a little, I call her Bonnie the bulldog. Yeah, and the bulldog. Well, she gets in a bulldog though. She got really quiet last night because of this bumpy plane. Our trip was, yeah, filled with, are you ready to meet your maker moments? But, you know, a snow big deal. But you can't be preaching that. I mean, that's part of my sermon. Yeah. Last night, Slayer, are you ready to meet your maker and then not go live that out in tough conditions to fly? But, cause it was quite the rain storm when we left and when we came back, we ran into a fog issue. All this ice and snow here, it's last night, it was like those movies you watch about Jack the Ripper in London, like in 1800. Yeah. And it's all just like this murky, you know, fog. That's what it reminded me of. I trust that last night. But anyway, I'm opening line, this is kind of silly, but I thought I'd try it. Cause I thought, was this place famous for carpet carpet? So I got up there and I was like, oh, it's getting a billion, don't enjoy it. You know, I did my, Larry the Cable, guys, when's the last time you all heard that? It was a little, little chuckle and I said, man, y'all look good for a bunch of carpet baggers. They actually laughed. They laughed that, they laughed about one. That's good. But then I said, well, I'll start this out with a movie clip that I will attempt to reenact and we'll have a name that movie clip. I know which one you're going to do. And I said, so here he is. He's on a, what's those things called? Fairy. I got, yeah, he's on a fairy. I got that right. And I was like, pull, and then you'll pull. And about three people holler it out. Hello, Josie Wells. And I was like, y'all got that from that. Yeah, I was impressive. I said, there was a man selling a liquor on that fairy and he said it was about good for anything, which, you know, one bottle for, I think it was 10 cents. He's getting two for 20. And 10 cents. So, Oh, he's would said, yeah, that's stuff worth going on about anything. He's like, yes, sir, indeed. So he just, he thought he had a macell. He takes a big tobacco filled juicy spit and just spits right on the man's chest because he had a white suit. And he said, well, how's it on stains? And then there was a little chuckle from the, from Eastwood's counter parts. They were saying. And remember even, even Emil was like, so look, I did that. Then when I got to, you know, Jesus died on the cross, I was going to bring that back up. Of course, I forgot because I was talking about, you know, there's staying in the same place. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to, that's where we're at first. I'm going to be in a good conversation. How do you remove the stains of sin in your life? Well, there's a God and he loves this sin. And the 10 cent elixir is not going to do it. And so that, they didn't really laugh at that, but it broke the ice. But the line, because it was well, Mr. Carpet Bagger, that was fun. And then when I told that, because nobody really laughed, I was like, that's as good as this is going to get. Then they all laugh. I was like, that's, I thought that was funny. Zach, are you familiar with why they called these people that were coming down from the north to the south? They call them Carpet Baggers. Do you know the origin of that? Have you ever, I don't know why they called it? Give him 60 seconds and he'll use this AI stuff. And he'll probably have an answer. Well, that's why I threw it out there. I mean, let's let him research. Yeah, my initial instinct was, I don't have to know the answer to that. So let's just look it up. Yeah. Why were they called Carpet Baggers? I think we should make a, we all should make a stab at it before we, before we answer it. Because I, I mean, I was trying to think in my mind just to practically have an answer for that. And I'm not sure I don't understand. Well, they had bags with the, yeah, I don't know. I think it was a bag. I know it was, it was something about accumulating wealth off of like basically coming in. It was kind of a slur though, right? I mean, it was, I think it was something that, like they come in and they have a little bit of capital and then they can go up and buy up farms or things like that. That's what I think it was. But let me look and see. Well, look, I was tempted last night because you know, my house with the ice dams phenomenon, because we had an insurance suggestion before I left to come here. And I had to get a ride because my truck's still at the airport. I'll tell you that story in a minute, but I've been going without a truck home last night. Pretty much, Al. Al, you're not going to believe what happened to me last night. It's crazy. But anyway, I was tempted. I got the answer when you walked in. I was like, well, yeah, give it a hand. Go ahead and then we'll be breaking news. Breaking news. We're going to, we're going to introduce a breaking news segment. We're going to do more breaking news segments. In current event segments. We need some kind of musical elite in it. So during the Civil War, these northerners who went to the South after the Civil War carried all their belongings in a cheap suitcase made of a carpet, a fabric, a carpet bag and the label was met as an insult. In the past, they were implying they were poor opportunistic outsiders who came to profit politically or economically during reconstruction. Well, no wonder nobody laughed. No, they actually did laugh. Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of a smart shit of dumps. I'm having a research. Yeah, I dropped that. Yeah, you carpeted back and sorry, you come down here to Georgia. You cheap carpet back. I'm getting a taste of insults at them and they didn't even know he did. They had a board meeting probably after him. He paid this guy to come here and do this to us. But dumb redneck from Louisiana. No, the event was, it was fantastic. It was close to my heart. Which is why I made it work because it was one of these FCA fundraisers, which that is my story of coming to Jesus. I was 14 and I said last night, the hardest thing to do from my life was to follow Jesus at 14 and go to a public high school. It's just very difficult. And I think it was intense. I mean, I was like, this is great. We're supporting this. We're giving kids an outlet to not only do something good, clean and fun, play sports, but to be on the shame that they followed Jesus. And I wish I would have had somebody tell me, hey, this is a good thing when I was 14. So because it is very difficult. And I spoke to the kids before the event. I mean, they probably had 150. And I mean, there was a lot of people. I said, it was Tuesday night. There's a well over a thousand at the arena. And it was fantastic. Now getting there, we were in this cool little plane. I've written on a lot of planes, I don't know yet. But I've never written on a, the name of it was a series. It's called a serious, serious. It's like Sarkis, except instead of the sea, it's an R. So it's serious. And there's only like, I guess 600 of them. It was in the world. It was a jet. It's a one engine. Oh, yeah. I've seen this. And the other pilot called it a hot rod. Yeah. Because we got in that thing and it can move. Takes off like a rocket. But it felt like we were in a sci-fi movie. Because it's real computer generated. And it's like a little capsule and you're just shh. But here's what's funny. So the pilot who just donated his time and he owns the plane. And he does this every year for the event. He goes and picks a guy up and, or I guess it's been guys that have spubbed it this thing. And so he, you know, when he's given us a little safety meeting here before we take off. So it's me and Aunt Bonnie. And on the way there it was him and his son who's also a pilot. He's like, now if we die. And I'll kind of stop. This was the safety meeting. He started off. Now if we die. He said, push this red button. And look, it was literally like a sci-fi movie. There was a big red button in the middle of the plane. He said, that computer will take you home to the nearest air point. How's that? You serious Clark? Now he said, now. He said, I'm glad to know there's a red button. That was a red button. That made me feel pretty good. It looked like a presidential red button. Yeah, right. It was like, here it is. So this is hilarious. So he said, now. He said, this only has one engine. That's what's different about this plane, which I figured out later. That's why it's half the price. But the problem is you probably already go in there in your mind. Well, if your engine blows, there's no backup engine. He said, the red button doesn't have that. So look. So he said, if the engine blows, he said, we pull this lever. And it was a parachute lever. He said, it actually has a parachute. And he said, you know, that's just if the engine blows, he said, it's happened twice. Oh, yeah. And he said, and no one was injured. He safely landed. So I was like, go. What's crazy about it? So he's landed twice without an engine? Without an engine. He's landed that plane twice. And nobody got injured. So last time I was in Louisiana, I had about three nights with you, cousin, Jayce, in the middle of it. I think you were sleeping on a recliner. I was sleeping on a hard couch. So that night at your house, that fourth night out your house on the Helix mattress. Welcome back to the G. Thank you. Yes. Because I have Helix mattresses all throughout my house, because we're a Helix family. 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And I was like, well, I looked at Bynon and she turned the shade of white. That I didn't see. I was like, well, now we know the rules of engagement. Well, none of this really matters until, you know, on the way home. Because we got there. It was the smoothest plane ride I've ever been on. And you're thinking it was quick. And I thought, man, we're flying. It's easy to face, you know? So when we come back, what happened was that front came through and then there was a fog alert. So he thought we were going to have to spend the night and everything. But he said, I think we make it. And he, because you're part of this, I had the earphones on. We're listening to them talking on, which was great on the way there, on the way back. It's a little too close to the sausage bimmy because there was a lot of, because as soon as we got up, he's like, is there ice on the wings? Is there ice on the wings? I'll say, I'll say, is that bad? Yeah, that's not good. But anyway, that's why they de-ice, man. So you're looking at these airports and there's little meters. And if it turns pink, that means too much fog came land. So it was, it would turn pink like, because we're coming in the Munro. Then it would go to Yellies. Go to Yellies. And we're flying. It's like, well, I see lights. And so anyway, we think we can make it. So we start going down to land in Munro. And we're seeing lights and everything, but he's, he had said before this fog of food, because from up above it, you can see through holes in it. And he's like, sometimes you get down there and just want we talk about one pilot. No, we had two pilots. He had this on. And we start going down through the fog. And all of a sudden, you know, the lights go off. You can't see anything. And you know, he's talking to the guy, the guy's like, he's like, when's the last time someone's landed here? And he's like, oh, it's been three or four hours. He's like, well, that doesn't give us any help. You know, so we got, but I heard the guy say, when you crossed the, whatever the 362 marker was, that's when you have to make that decision. And so we're coming down through the fog. And I see that 362. I just saw it for a glimpse in second. And we're keep going down and you can't see. I mean, I had said a prayer. I was like, we did a really good event tonight. I'm sure this is going to be fine. And some, for some reason in my mind, I just pictured the red sea. I was like, I think this fog's just going to open up. And we're going to be able to see, because we're coming down. And we're down to, you know, three, four hundred feet here. Yeah, we're going close. And we can't see. And so for some reason, we just kept going. And I still can't see. And I literally looked out the window and I was like, we need this fog. I mean, this is how, you, I mean, what you were involved in, this is exactly, I mean, that's scary, because the pilots are a little bit more aggressive. You're like, but that's why these small planes they crash all the time. Yeah, I was living my life through the pire. And I thought, this is how Kobe Bryant died by that. So look, then I looked over it. Look, I looked at the red button. And I thought, why are we not pushing that? You don't want to get the computer to it. Just, we're this close, you know, red button. Nobody's looking at the red button. I'm looking at the red button. And I looked at Bonnie. What's the Bonnie do it? She is just deathly silent, which is very unusual. That's why I knew the actual, the other pilots said, Ms. Antbonny, you okay? You're kind of quiet back there because we were all talking. About two seconds before I was trying, it's kind of like when you're riding with somebody and you feel like they should be breaking and you start mashing the passenger floorboard as hard as you can. I do it my wife all the time. Or grip the thing up. Something wrong with your leg and I'm like, I'm trying to push the brake from here. Slow this thing down. Well, I was doing that like pull up. I was thinking, pull up, pull up. And so about two or three seconds later, we pulled up, you know, immediately. So then it gets to, well, now, well, let's check the fuel. Now we're checking the fuel. I mean, we're done with that. It's like we have to find an alternate and we were going to do rust and that was the plan. But then we looked at rust and went out to paint. So he's like two choices, Eldorado or Shreeport. And I said, well, what are the people in those towers saying? You know, he's like, let's ask him. Well, Eldorado, I'm more concerned that you are involved in the process. I was involved in the process. That concerns me because it's like, what are you, you're just sitting in the back. What else to put? You're not supposed to know the air. Also just mad. No, no, no. Because he was supposed to either at the counter ordering the meat. You're not supposed to be back there. I want to ask him that one. In his defense. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. Because I was still with the spectac here. He was like, doesn't matter to us. We're getting out of here. But you're going to be without a vehicle. It's the middle of the night. So he's asking you more because you know the area. Yeah, that's right. And I was like, let's go to Eldorado because I heard when he said it's all clear. No, fuck, because I was thinking Shreeport, we're still in Louisiana. Because we weren't going to go to Rust and that was the backup plan with the backup plan. Yeah, it was now fought. Because West appears maybe this thing's moving west. Yeah. I mean, because then I thought, well, how much fuel we got? Well, we got enough to make it to Shreeport. And I was like, well, then what if it's fogged up? That's right. We're pushing that red button in. Or the pair of shoes is bad. We're going to push the button. After a minute, I was ready, you know, I'm always ready. Yeah. And I've been involved in a couple of emergency landing. So I wasn't concerned about it. But I just thought, this is pretty hairy. I mean, because that fog, he was not landing there. You could not see. I could not see driving, wasn't I? I mean, there were a couple of times driving home. That's super dangerous. I mean, that's a bad defiance. But you know what? We would have had one heck of a podcast. Well, this got, look, this is when the all the excitement started when I landed in a little place called El Dorado, Arkansas. And we got the dog. And of course, I was telling Missy, I was like, what the, I mean, I was like, what time is it? After 10 o'clock, when the time changed, it all messed up. I was like, she turns into a pumpkin at 10. Because I was like, I have a friend in Rustin. I was going to call and get her on. And, but El Dorado, I don't know anybody. And so I thought, it's only an hour and 20 minutes. Maybe we can get Missy to come pick us up. That was the plan. And so I sent her a message saying, do you like to come pick us up and El Dorado, Arkansas? No response. But so Bonnie started calling her in just like, or rapidly. And she was like, uh, uh, well, yeah, let me get settled. Because she was in the bad, dozing off to sleep. So it's like, let me get settled. What does that mean? I get, well, I got to get my shoes on. She, you know, she was fixed to go to sleep. And so she was like, you've startled her. Crazy thing. Let me, let me get settled and get my shoes on. And so she starts heading to El Dorado. So we're like, the plan was to call a Uber driver and made her like halfway. So we pulling this airport and there was a woman who lived at the airport that was under construction. And, uh, because I was like, they said, oh, there's somebody in there. It was like, well, great thing, let us in. Because at this point, we're waiting out in the cold. Yeah. Yeah. And find an Uber driver, you know, but so we went in there. At 10 o'clock in the morning. Well, then there's another employee that's fueling up the plane. I'm like, man, this is not bad for El Dorado. And his name was Bobby, beast of a man. He walked in and I introduced myself because I thought I got to make some contacts quick because we're in a mill and nowhere. And I told him who it was. He said, I know who you are, which I thought was a good sign. I was like, well, great. And I was like, well, look, I'm on. I guess we're gonna get an Uber and he's like, ha ha ha ha. Now, you know, get an Uber and El Dorado. He said, you might can call one, but good luck if he shows up. But anyway, he said, well, where you need to go? I was like, well, I'm not sure. I want to meet my wife somewhere and he's like, let's go. So, so beast, we took off. Oh, yeah, he got some gas, you know, and he's driving pretty rapidly. And all of a sudden, I'll look up and there's two deer standing. I would say 10 feet in front of that RV Huckle that's going, let's just put it, we're going to the full max one out of the speed limit. And I thought, this is where it ends. You survived the plan. I tried to only now roll the... Let me tell you something, that Joker, I would sponsor him in some kind of NASCAR race. Cause in a moment, he took care of Aunt Bonnie cause she was supposed to go out the windshield. Cause it was a break, swarve, and he just split the uprights of deer. And he had a flash and I braced for impact and thought, how in the world did he go through? Cause it was the whole herd of deer, but he just went through two of them. I mean, just in the middle of the road and I thought, wow, that just happened. He's like, you okay, Aunt Bonnie? So no wonder, buddy sent me a note, says she's resigned from taking her at J's now. And then she's like, Anyway, long story short, we start trying to call Missy and he's like, meet me at the old stone church. And he told Missy that and she's like, old stone church. Now, he's like, no, it's not a, it's just a road. And so after we hung up, I thought, I don't think we're gonna meet her there. She had no idea. He's like, oh, I thought she had been up this way before I was like, what she has, but that was kind of a, we got a guy like that, John Gowin, you know. Go down there, there's three curves. There's a silo on the left and take a, take a ride. He's a guy named, named Jesse that's out by his truck. Got an old hound all that probably come up there, but he won't buy it. So then I started thinking, well, at some point, we're gonna pass each other. And he's like, and I said that and he's like, what, what's she drive? And I said, she, I told him the story because it's embarrassing to say we have a wagon here. It's like the most expensive car you can buy. It was like, it was during COVID, she had to have a vehicle. That's the only one for sale. That's the only one for sale. And I said, trust me, if she meets at Old Stone Point, somebody's gonna think she has some drugs in her car. Why would somebody be parked on the side of road of midnight in this fancy car? And he said, what's your drive? I was like, big white wagon there. You gotta remember, we've been on the road here for 30, 40 minutes and she passes us at that moment. He said, white wagon here. So you're like, why don't you call her? We don't have a signal. That's right. That Joker did a huge turn in the road because he thought if we can't get a hold to her, she's gonna head to the airport. And sure enough, Bonnie said, I got her. And she's like, we just passed you. We pulled on his like midnight, we pull on the side of the road. She's got her flashers on and that's how I got with her. And we lit a crazy stuff. We lit home. I gave him a little Bobby a Hyundai and I said, I want it because he's got a wife and four daughters. And you know, just for him to do that, you don't have to do that. No, of course he didn't. And we're out there, you know, missing deer. I thought, I'm buying you and your wife. I thought he'd say no, no, he's like, well, thank you. Well, he was probably hoping, didn't you know you were a famous person? Well, I thought, I just gotta put his life off. Did you make it to farful, spiritual area? Where were you, Dave? And I know where you were. When we met, yeah, middle of nowhere, middle of nowhere on the side of the road. Probably around the spiritual down there somewhere. Just north of farable. That's great. Yeah, we were kind of in between the El Dorado. And there's no signal. You're exactly right. Cause that's the, that's the thing. So anyway, that was the trail. Oral of the story, flying is dangerous. But driving is actually statistically, much more dangerous. No, Steve, on the plane was a true professional. It's just, it's a, it's a more weird experience when you're listening. Look, I got news for you. They're doing that every time somebody's fine. They're talking about these things. But we're in on the conversation. So he said that. Yeah, he's like, oh, that, cause they were laughing. And I mean, that, that was zero. And I'm asking Steve, Steve, I was not, he was, he never had his blood pressure raise up at all. No, yeah, cause they do it. And even if they do, you'd never know. So if you've been waiting for the right time to buy a home, honestly, this might be it. Look, I've bought a lot of homes over the years. I got a, a grando that just bought a home as well. So this is, this is very near and dear to us. Yeah, the market looks a lot different than it did even a year ago. There's more inventory, bidding wars have cooled off and buyers finally have a little bit of breathing room again. But that means more choices and more negotiating power and more control over the deal for you. But here's the catch. 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These guys love Jesus and I love that about them because I know they're gonna handle things with integrity. So you guys can get started today at andreantod.com, that's Andreantod.com or you can call triple A, triple A to 1172. That's triple A, triple A, 1172. Visit Andreantod.com or call triple A, triple A, 1172. These are the guys you can count on. So Zach, I mean, I've been the latest news about Epstein. I think has been pretty amazing. As you've kind of been out of the loop because you had that out of the... I have, but I've heard about it and it's sickening that this kind of stuff goes on our planet. But look, in reality, are we really shocked? I mean, first John V, the last verse in his sermon is he says, we know that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. But we know we're children of God. And this spiritual war is rampant and raging and when these things come out, why are we really shocked? Well, you remember on the, because I know evidently they, they just had a big dump like, was it 3,500 pages of emails and materials. We can't wait more than that. I think maybe it was 3 million five or... How I haven't had the internet or a TV in two weeks, I still don't know. I looked it up earlier and we were talking. Well, here's what I want to say about that. How you remember in that study when we were doing about, I think it was on, when we were talking about the anointing and how kings were anointed with all. And it kind of goes back to the garden of this liquid life and setting people apart and God himself is like, you don't need a king, I am the king. But all the people on the kings. Well, there was a plan. And he also knew we were setting that up because he also knew that he would come here as Jesus Christ. I mean, in Jesus, who would be the king. Exactly. He's like, I got the king coming. Yeah, he's like, I got it. But look, what do humans do? I don't know. We're like, no, we like them. Yeah. But I remember from that study and Deuteronomy 17 when he was like, okay, you want a king? I'll give you a king, but I'm telling you, you should listen to me. And there was like three rules for the king. And what's amazing, you said, what's this got to do with Epstein or Evilstein? Have you want to, I mean, because you, well, you look, start looking in there. You're like, no, people are like fascinated that powerful people are doing evil things. Trust me, they've been doing that since the garden. And so, but I wanted to read this because in this interest, I don't know when Deuteronomy was written. Well, Moses wrote it. And so this would have been, you know, quite a bit before the actual king thing happened. I mean, we're talking hundreds of years prior. Yeah. It gives the kind of the rules on if we're going to have a king. And in it interesting, this is Deuteronomy 17, 16, the king moreover must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt. You are not going, not to go back that way again, which back then horses think tanks power, that was the power. Yeah. Whoever had the most horses and the most men going. So it's a power thing. He must remember that when this was written, Pharaoh had all the horses and mirror God had shown them. He was more powerful than the horses already. Exactly. He must not take a lot of wives or his heart will be led astray. So here we have the sex thing. Because you're the king. You can do whatever you want to. You have power. You can get. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold. Money, money, money. So you just think, you know, we're in first shot too. You don't love the world and the cravings of sinful man. That's where this goes all the way up. Money, sex and power. And this whole Epstein affair is, that's what it can, people that are very powerful have a lot of money. Yeah. And this whole thing is built around sex. That's with the whole purpose of the whole thing. And of course it was, it was people under age. It was terrible things. Oh, yeah. And what, you know, I don't know, I mean, I haven't read all this stuff. But it just seems like it's this devious anti-decreation of what humanity is supposed to look like in view of God. And to do the very opposite and death is king and abuse is king. And you're looking at babies as just sexual objects. So it's amazing to me. And there's also, you mentioned it, there's also kind of a weird fascination of people wanting to know more and more about it. Now I'm all about the accountability idea if people broke laws. I don't believe there's been one arrest in the whole thing. I don't think so. Well, except for the woman that was helping him, right? They arrested her. But you're right, Jason. Of course, then they arrested him. And then he either killed himself or was murdered and this whole other thing. But the thing about it is, there's a weird fascination about wanting to know all this to, I'm all about accountability for it. And I don't want to know the details of all this. No, it's kind of sickening. And I mean, one of the things I was thinking, because we're going through this first John study and you read about when John kind of juxtaposes the world, you know, quote, unquote, with life in Christ, participation in Christ. But Epstein, what he really represents like the incomclusion of the world. It's all about sexual appetite, sexual conquest, power, which is interesting too. So I think that, you know, what he, it wasn't just about sex. It was also about power and money. And it's interesting how all three of those things were like in the same exact entrapment, right? And we don't know the full story of what all he was involved in. But like it, it's clearly like a picture like at the end of it, you're just like, that's not very appealing. Yeah, I mean, I don't know anyone that would look at the way he ended and think, man, he had all the power, all the money and all the sexual exploits that he could muster up and imagine. And now the world's looking at that. And I think we're collectively condemning it. But there is a weird, also kind of like a weird fascination with it as well. Well, it is. And you remember that about, I want to say it was the decade prior to when they arrested him and, you know, and the whole thing happened the last few years ago. There was a decade before that. They had him like he was in Florida. They had him up on charge. And they basically just let him walk. I mean, he had already been caught once in this whole regime. And I guess the powerful people, you know, thwarted it and the government didn't get him. And so then there was another decade of this stuff, you know, the one I don't know. And I guess I showed you what happens though. When you get into, there's something about living your life with a clear conscience. I mean, we all admit we're sinners. But, you know, you avoid stuff like anything like this and you live with a clear conscience. Man, you don't have to worry about somebody, you know, knocking your door down to find out some secret cabal you were involved in. I mean, that's what the whole point of this text we're in in first. What stood out to me was you have the Department of Justice releasing all this injustice that happened. And that's why I just thought even last night, I guess when I got to our spiritual war part while I was speaking and our sinful behavior and the world. And I actually brought up first John. I said, we're studying first John and podcasts, which took me five minutes to realize. I'll probably already get off this if I want to speak in 40 minutes. But and I zeroed in on it more because everybody's conscious of this. But that's why when we take for granted that God is just, he will think about the verse. He will pay back trouble and those who give you trouble. And I thought about Romans 2, like in verse 5, it says because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you're storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath when his rights as judgment will be revealed. God will give to each person according what he's done. He's going to make things right to those who buy persistence and doing good. See glory honor and immortality will give you eternal life. But those who are self seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, they'll be wrath and anger. They will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil. First for the Jew, then for the Gentile, glory honor and peace for everyone who does good for God. Verse 11 does not show favoritism. So you guys know I got five kids, which means it cost a fortune to get health insurance for all seven of us. 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So if God's wrath was not in that case was not him pouring it out, it was more like, I'm going to release you to your own vices and you're going to create your own hell. It's kind of what we've been talking about in our, we've been in the CS Lewis course and Lewis talked a lot about this as well when he wrote a couple of his books, Croutape Letters and the Great Divorce. It's like being left to yourself. And so when you read, you know, first John two, like you could think about like you think what's a good parable of the world because it says don't love the world or anything in it. So he's talking about like the creation, he's not talking about, I love the creation, we love the duck hunt, we love to be out in nature, we love trees, I love, that's not what he's talking about. He's talking about the parable of what Epstein represents and what the logic of Epstein is. This is given yourself over to be consumed by the, by the lust of the world and it's interesting that the text we're in fits, fits so beautifully, not beautifully, but so tangibly into the, the story of what, you know, this whole debacle turned out to be in the end. You see the wrath of God. Right now you see the wrath of God in the fact that he hung himself in the jail cell, all the people that were involved, just saw the Prince Andrew got kicked out of the, the royal palace, the royal club or something in the dark of night, right? Everyone's like, we don't want you to be around us, we don't want to be a part of you anymore, we don't want you to be a part of us. And that is just the natural consequences of evil. And that's what God does. Well, and then I saw some articles about Bill Gates, you know, Rich Man and was going to spend his last years doing all these philanthropic projects and now he's having to defend himself for, you know, STDs, he gave it to his wife. But here's the thing. You Satan is a cruel taskmaster and Zach, you've quoted me before saying that that's why we like to detonate our own time bombs because if you leave it to him, if you do things in secret as what we're describing here, he will explode the time bomb when it's the very worst for you. It's never he's never going to be your friend. Like you go into these secret dark places and I think that's part of the allure. These are, these were wealthy, powerful people and part of the lure of it, Zach was probably just the secrecy of it. They knew they were doing something wrong. You know, we talk about it in marriage context of a lot of times, I'm trying to think of the word, there's a word, Limerence. It's this idea that you're drawn to something secret and it makes it so appealing. But then when you realize in an affair situation, I mean, these people are like, oh, this is so great. I mean, this is what I've never had at home and blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, you realize it's just another person and after a little while when the Limerence wears off, it's like, well, this person's got the same problems. The other person I had. Well, if you walk with anybody through in a fair, which I know we all have walked with many, many couples through affairs and infidelity, the Limerence is a real thing. That's a very, very common thing, which is essentially that you'll hear something like, man, the sex was just out of this world with this person. I wasn't even married to it. The intensity of the emotional and physical connection and bond, the way they would describe that connection is like, it was out of this world. It's a real thing that's called Limerence that is. It's deceptive. But that does wear off. And when that is gone, now you're back in the same boat that you were in with your previous spouse. And now you've got to fit. So it's like you got to run through that wall. But you talked about the darkness of it all and kind of the hiding and the forbidden fruit, nature of it. I mean, that really is the darkness. That's the secret network that John is talking about in first John 2, verse 9 and 11. What does he say? Whoever loves his brother abysons the light. And then he has the calls for stumbling. Whoever says he's in the light and hates his brother still in darkness. So like the whole thing is to come out of concealment to come out into the light. And these networks and these, because it was it, I think it was a network here. But these evil networks, what are they all having common? They operate in the darkness, not in the light. It's about concealment, hidden rooms, even like NDAs. You think about how many churches even do this now? They make you sign in. I'm like, why? Why sign an NDA? Why do you ask people to sign NDAs? Intimidation, it's it's it's it's compromised people. And then you operate in this space of like darkness when in the kingdom. It's like, no, no, no, no, that nature on time, mom, bring it all on to the light. If you do sin, what do you do? Yeah. Confess your sin to one of the things that you might be healed. And then that confession, the reason why that leads to healing according to James is because the confession actually brings into the light the thing that the devil can use to accuse you of. Yeah, I don't want to sign NDAs, I want to sign DAs, disclosure agreements. Because the more we disclose, the better off we are. Because though you, if you use that principle here, they're like, well, if I confess my sins, someone will come and lock me up in a prison. Which is true. This true. And you can be healed, but that doesn't mean you're not going to be free. I mean, the consequences. Yeah. Hey, we were talking though the day on the last time we recorded podcast about old jelly roll. He's like, I was in a, I was in a sleep by eight. And then all I had was my little Bible here. And this is where I found Jesus, you know, there you can. There's your answer. Sometimes I got a question for you. What is your translation of first John 2, 16, say? Mine says, for all that is in the world, the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and the pride of life is not from the Father, but it's from the world. What is your translation? Well, this is then a V, which I'm not going to, you know, stand up in the fin because a lot of times I think, ooh, but it says for everything in the world, the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does comes not from the Father, but from the world. But let me look it up on a Greek lexicon while you're talking. Yeah, what, what translation? I'm not sure which one it is, but I have it pulled up here. It's the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. Yeah. And I thought, man, what an interesting verse that is when you think about the lust of the flesh, which really is like, it's that unbridled sexual appetite. And so, you say, what should our sexual appetite be bridled? It should be bridled by love and fidelity. Yeah. Which is kind of the whole point. By doing so, you could actually create a family. I love for God. I think it'd be really great things to do. Because you're right. Because when Jesus was reading that about what he said about the kings, you just think about it. I mean, how many horses are too many? How much power is too much power? People that are going for power, they're never enough. You got to have more. In the same way. That's why I think money. I'm the same with the sex. It's just, it's this unquenching thirst for something that's healthy. Of course, it's for more. So think about like, that's such a great point that fits into the text really nicely, because he goes on to say, right after that, he says that the desires of the world are diminishing, they're passing away. And so that's the thing that you got to keep up in the game. So Epstein and these guys, you got to get more and more perverse. That's right. Bringing in the younger and younger women, the children, the younger. Then it's this all-out, just, I mean, it's, then the lust of the eyes becomes about consuming people. Right. First, visually, and then, and then fleshly, you consuming them. So you're curating these fantasies and your curation of all this imagery in your mind. And he's playing this out, unliterally, a pedophile island. And then the pride of life steps in. And I'm not going to get caught on bigger than this kind of thing. Think about the extortion nature of it now, because the evil ones got you, because as Jay said, now you've broken laws. Now, not only will you lose all your stuff and your relationships, they will take away your freedom. So the first one, first, the word says the Naveces Cravings of Simple Man. It seems to be more lust, like 524, remember it says you've crucified the old sinful nature with its lust and desires, the same word. Feasons 2, 3, where it says you've gratified the cravings of the sinful nature with the same word, the lust or the lust of its desires. Few others on that. John 844. Remember when, when Jesus said you belonged to your father, I believe that's where he said that the devil. Yeah, let's say what does 844 say? Because this is John wrote this also. So he uses the same word, 844. You belong to your father and you want to carry out your father's desire. That's why that's the tie into the evil one right there. We don't find a spoken gun. So John 844, same word as used as first John 2 on the first one, the cravings of, that's the cravings. So then they have the next one, lust. And that's why it's such a, that's why it's such a damnable thing because. Oh, it's the same word. Same word. The, where it says cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes, but the cravings and lust are actually. Yeah, because it's what you see. It's the exact same word. Yeah, it's in the mind, but, you remember when Jesus said that your, your eyes are the window into your soul, the idea about what you choose to look at. Yeah, it goes back to the garden when she saw that fruit. There was a desire there. She saw that it was desirable for gaining wisdom and looked good to eat. Remember that was part of it. It's appealing to her. She wanted it. She wanted it. And she couldn't quit thinking about it. And then the evil one comes in there with his own agenda, which we just made true in John 844. Yeah. She's got his own agenda, but it's lining up with humanity, rebellion. And there you go. That's exactly what that's why the whole thing of this first John is about, we keep using the language of like participation, participatory, connected, integrated with Christ, life in Christ, union with Christ. Like, these are phrases that we would use because it's not about, you could look at the Epstein thing and you could say those monsters out there. And they are monsters. And I don't know how big this conspiracy is. I don't know who also involved in it. But I know this, and eventually they will all be held accountable. Everyone will come to justice at some point. If that happens on this, it's great. But the harder truth of the matter is that the Epstein story is not just about the monsters out there. Like, this is what we're all capable of. And so what makes you capable of that is continuing to follow down the path of the disordered love or a disordered desire. So that verse you read about is following the desire of your father, meaning the devil, right? Like, that is a disordered desire. That is a desire that ultimately leads to the consumption of people. Whereas a godly desire, and as we yield and bring our desires under the rule of the reign of Christ, that is a desire that actually doesn't lead to the consumption of people. It leads to the procreation of people. And think about the difference between like procreation of people resulting in family, resulting in community, resulting in intimacy, resulting in fidelity, resulting in loyalty, resulting in the cultivation of a home and a crop and food and culture. That's one side of sexuality. And the other side is we're going to consume people for the sake of sexual gratification. And that's why we end up in that. That's why relationship and love becomes the central theme for John. And it's the same like within your own family. I've said this before we talked about lust and pornography on the podcast, our good friends that covenant eyes. We had a whole podcast about it. And in that, I told you guys, I was like, what changed it for me was that I realized if I'm watching pornography and these women involved in this pornography, that's someone's daughter or wife or girlfriend or mom. And so that's a relationship. I now realize that whatever it's got in there, they're alive to be doing this, but I'm now lusting over it. And think about the relationships and the destructive nature of that. I don't want people looking at my grandkids and my wife in that way. So you got to make a decision. What's terrifying about all this? Because there's only two camps that are going to stand before God. Those in Christ who surrendered to Him and those who are not. And I think in our world, we think, well, if I'm better than somebody else, then I'm going to be okay. Even though I don't follow Jesus or have surrendered to Christ, but it's bad as Epstein. Just don't work that way. You know, I want to be as far away from that camp as possible. Be in light. And in Jesus, that's as far as you can be away. I didn't want to bring this up. This other word where it says, and the boasting of what He has and does. No, the word boast has different Greek words. I'm still in 16. I'm still in 16. But this particular one is only used twice in the New Testament. So I just discovered this while I was looking. The other time it's used is kind of fascinating. And I may so I want to read it. So it's used here. And then it's used in the book of James in chapter 4 and verse 16. Don't read that little paragraph. It says, now remember, this is right after in James, where he talks about the two kinds of wisdom. One that's of the devil. And the other's godly wisdom. Other godly wisdom. So submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil. That's four, seven. He says, now listen to you who say, today or tomorrow we'll go to this city or this island or whatever. Here, carry on business and make some money. Well you don't even know what's going to happen tomorrow. What is your life? Your miss that appears a little while and then vanishes. Instead you ought to say it fits the Lord's will. We will live and do this as it is. Here's the time it's used. You boast and brag all such boasting that's the same word is evil. Anyone then who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it sins. And I think it makes sense when you read the first John 2 passage. Remember the first lie as that. You will be like God. You'll be like God is so good. I think as we end on this, Jason and I were talking, I guess in the Doug Wine we were together. I can't remember. He pulled this verse on me. And this is not from the father but from the world. We were in the, I remember we were in the the layer talking and we were having a little impromptu Bible study. And you mentioned this. We were talking about different theologies that would say that somehow sin originates with God, sovereignty or something. And we were like, you brought this verse up like that's ridiculous. Sin can never originate with God. And I think what we're talking about here is you think about something so heinous, like the Epstein files and whatever went down and all the power players that were involved. Here's the thing you can be rest assured in. That is not from God. That's the whole point. It's outside of the will of God. Does God allow it? Yes, he allowed it. Obviously, but that is not under the rule and the reign of God's will. It almost seems like it's anti Jesus. Yeah. Which he addresses in the next paragraph. Anti Christ. All right. We're out of time. Next episode. Now we're getting into it. See you next time.