"Gagged Up" (w/ Hilary Duff)

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It's like, you didn't know how much you missed. And then of course, Spotify does the thing where it's like, if you go on the top 10 streamed, it's like we're getting these new bops. And then suddenly you'll just hear. Well, there's a suggestion, a lyrical suggestion. Let's go back, back to the beginning. At which point you have no choice but to do that. We have, it's been documented on this program. It has. That the lyric of back to when the earth, the sun, the stars all aligned. Kind of like today. Yeah. That's poetry. That's what the subways did not align for me. Yeah. Anybody know what I'm talking about? Can I get an amen? Did you have a subway problem today? Yes. Oh, you're asking? I thought you were asking, putting it to the room. No, you. Yeah, of course, but it's fine. It's New York. I don't really want our guests to have, to like really weigh in on this, because it's like, it's, I think it's a space that is beneath her. But to have the remix of Come Clean on at the club, at like 4AM, I've never known more joy. And you've never seen. I've never, no, I've dead ass. Never been happier in my life. Stone Cold sober. It's 4AM, I'm sober, trust me. And I've never felt more joy. I never felt more joy just connecting about famed Los Angeles eatery, Casa Vega with our guests just now. And she might get me to do something called Bunda. Bunda. Which I mean, the guest is spelled B-O-O-N-D. Nope, she's shaking her head. Okay, well, let's get started. All that and more is gonna be revealed on this episode. This is truly, I mean, I know everyone that listens to this podcast has waited for this day. We certainly have. You've seen her everywhere lately, because who wouldn't want to celebrate this moment? Like, back in HD. Which I was like, I was like seeing, she did a concert last night and her initials, I'm like, great initials. No better two letters together. You're happy to see HD. Actually, MR is on my socks. Mr. Maggy Rogers sent me these socks. Oh, that's cute. And cause we're the only people with MR. But we're not talking about MR today, we're talking about. HD, we're talking about a legend in the culture, a paragon, we're so happy she's here. Everyone welcome. Miss Hillary Duff! I'm feeling great about myself. Yeah, prepare lock in. Thank you guys for that. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you, spell check on Bunda. Okay, it's a German word, I believe. Or it's like a German, maybe it was born in Germany. The concept of the workout, Bunda, B-U-N-D-A, with the two little dots on top of the dip. Those two little dots are so important always. And I think you need to say it like. Bunda. There you go. Okay, well, it did live inside me. I think maybe I put too much sauce on Bunda. Bunda. I liked it. Yeah. How was the show last night? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bunda. The show was awesome. It was a, you know, it was a cute, like radio scaled down kind of little fan experience. And it was great. I mean, I don't know, I'm gonna come in hot with this question. Okay. Okay, so lucky me first tour since Dignity. Yeah. You're as a parent, first tour as a parent. Yeah. What are you preemptively annoyed about logistically traveling with the family? I'm absolutely terrified too. I'm gonna tell you a quick story. I'm gonna try not to like make it too long. I was in rehearsals and surprises are tough for me. Like, of course I love a surprise. Are we talking like a present? So excited for a present. Astrologically, where do we live? I'm a Libra. Okay. Yes! I need to have understanding. Understood. Of everything. And we understand that. And then I can be really excited for the surprise. But like, I've got to process it first. And so my husband and my tour manager stopped rehearsals and they were like, we have a surprise. You've got to come outside. I come outside, we're walking down the street. I see a giant tour bus. And I was like, is this the surprise? And they're like, yes. Like, let's go check it out. Cause this is gonna be where we're living for eight weeks from the summer. And I was like, I walked inside. I was like, there's no kitchen. There's no, there's just like slots for beds. Four of us are gonna be four kids. Sorry, lots of other adults. But like what? It was panic, all panic set in. So then I relate to this completely as a liberal rising. Okay. How do you express that without being like, thank you so much. This is so exciting. But also where the hell is the kitchen? Okay. I had like a huge plot, like fake smile plastered on my face. And I was just like, I love the slots. I'm looking for the storage. Like kids come with so much shit. And also there's like no pooping on the bus. I'm like little kids just whenever they have to, I know. You've got a poop on the bus. Well, you can't. It's a rule. It's a written rule. So I'm like, how many times are we gonna be stopping throughout the night? It's all terrifying. What are the age ranges? Okay. Two to 13. Yeah. Come on, Wikipedia. Almost 14, yeah. I have a 14 year old son this month. And a five year old this month. And then a seven and a two. It's gonna be fun. We're gonna figure it out. That thing's gonna be trash. The crumb is everywhere. Literally crumbs everywhere. Guns and roses have nothing on your family. Yeah, exactly. That's right. Trashing to our bus. Yeah. I loved the video that you did with your son. Oh my gosh. That was so good. He's so cute. I mean. When he was punking my jersey, I thought he was gonna be like, that's cool. And he was like, that's not it. That is not it. I was like, rude. Rude. So rude. When the camera's in their face, they wanna embarrass the parents. I think that's what it is. I think that's the kid logic. Same. All I wanna do is embarrass him and watch him get shy and turn red. Well, you kind of got there. You were like, you like my music. You were like. Cause it's mommy and daddy's music. Not his dad, but he likes math music too. He's really into a hip hop, you know. Okay. I was thinking back to when we were like, cause obviously like walk down memory lane, it was like you and then all this like hardcore like rap and R&B were the charts. It was like, that was like, what was coexisting on that at the time? Okay. Who remind me who? It was like Ja Rule. This was like. Love Ja Rule. No, no, this is back in the day. Love Ja Rule. Ja Rule radio is amazing. Yeah. On Spotify. I gotta just ride that out. It's a real happy like. Yeah. Popping through this day kind of vibe. Of course. Ja Rule was on mad TV as a guest once. And she was legitimately great. He was. Yes. Anyway. But it was, okay. So this is the time. I'm like, was he in front of me on the charts or below me on the charts? Where did I get that? It was always about Ja Rule and Hillary. You know what I mean? It was like jockeying for position. I remember, I don't remember what album it was. Maybe not dignity. I don't know. Mary J. Blyche was like ahead of me. And then the next week I got ahead of her. And I remember it being like, yes. And also like love Mary J. Of course. It's like, it's like thing of like, you have so much respect. You're like, God, I'm so happy to do all on the charts, but Mary J. Yeah. It's like. How do you? That's real love. That's like, that's Mary J. Blyche. But I feel like, I feel like now the concept of charts to me, you're on top of it. You're in like a, you keep track of it. I don't really care. But of course I'm not on the other side of it where I'm like, you have people from the label or whoever like. Yeah. What is the thing with charts now? Is it like of paramount importance to labels? And is it important to you? Like how do you feel about the charting of it all? I think if I said I didn't care, it would be a lie. Yeah. But I have never, that's never been, even like radio singles, I never had like a ton of love there. So, mine was always like fan connection and like touring. So the fans showed up for me, I toured a whole bunch and like that business got very massive for me quickly. I do care. You want your work to be like observed. But I don't think it's that important. And I think a lot of things come into play. You know? Like every industry now it's a thing. But the labels are excited when, you know, what's doing well? It's hard, it's a hard industry. So, any kind of like accolade or exciting number that you land on is great for morale. Yeah. Of course. Well, okay, the thing that we can liken it to is like this little show breaks into like the top 80 every now and then. 50. 50. We can go up there. So maybe just to like to make this about me first. Like I think it's, I'm with you. It's like, it's nice. I would be lying if I was saying it didn't matter. But the connection among the listenership and the fans in the community is, I would take that over place every day. I agree with that. I agree with that because that stuff comes and goes and you see it for a week, you know? And it's just, it can be a great splash. But other than that, like the meat is like the connection and the people that are showing up and that's the reason why you do it, right? You're doing it because you love it. Yeah. Have you remained connected to people that you like recognize from like way back that were fans and then like now you're like, I wonder if you do any shows now and you're like, oh my God, wait, hold on a second. Yeah, I definitely do. There's those people. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, you're still here. Can't believe we're still here. It's profound. It is. It is. And the amount of people that are showing up to the shows with like literal old Polaroids from, my meet and greet used to be you get a Polaroid picture and you say hi and you leave. So they have the Polaroid picture. Yeah. And it's really sweet. Oh, that's the best. And also for them, I mean, for everyone, I feel like on this album, you're dealing with like, it like you turn around and you're like, oh my God, yeah, we are talking about our boyfriend who's now dating someone that looks like 21, 22 years old. It's like we actually did grow up and now have these things in common too. I just love songs that just let your ex know you have their number. Yeah. I have the receipts. Yeah, like I actually know that you're out there like doing the cliche stuff. Yeah, yeah. And why? Are you doing okay? Like clearly from the outside where you're not doing great. Yeah. Do you ever hear of them? It's like topical. You're like, this is topical. Yeah. Mike Hink is karma by Chapel Roam. Obsessed. Obsessed. Obsessed. My kids love it. And I am like, We share this. Yes, I don't, you know, they don't really like read too much into lyrics but they say all the words. Like that happened. So then as a parent, you're like listening to this, you're listening to your kids talk about like these really deep concepts. Dark concepts. Like it's nice to like that they're just detached from it though. Yeah. Maymay's favorite song on my record, the one that she always requests is holiday party, which starts out with like in my head, you live another life where you fuck on my friends. Yeah, exactly. Like it's very, just like a very heady, can I say that? Of course. A very heady song about like anxiety and you making up what you know must be true, even though it's not. Yeah. Anyway, she just blows to the lyric and I'm like, you know, we're in the arts. We're in the art. So there's a time and a place. Is that how you justify it? Yeah, what are they gonna do? Also, we have a teenager in the house. We have a big spread of kids. I always joke that like, none of the moms at school will want their kid to be friends with towns, the baby, because she's the fourth child. She's gonna know all the things. Of course. The fastest, the earliest. Yeah. You know, she's gonna be the one spreading the news on the playground. She's gonna lead the charge. Yeah. But someone has to lead the charge. They do. Among that age group. They do, but I feel like if it was my first child, Luca had like all the kid glove handling that I would be like, stay away from that child. That has all the siblings and knows all the things. You know what I mean? Towns have receipts. Yeah. So, but yeah, we handle lyrics like that because we try to have a lot of conversations in our house and just skirt around, you know, some of the ones that they're not ready for yet. But art is art. And, you know, we're constantly listening to music and writing and doing this thing. So they've got to be exposed to it. Of course. I think. I think some of the serious ones on the record, which was like giving head in the back of the bar or whatever, people came for me so hard. And they were like, do you do that in front of your children? I was like, mm-mm. This, no. Yeah, yeah, bring them in. That's a parasocial thing though, I think. I really do. And I feel like you must experience that to such a degree because like when someone feels like they know you, they get a little bit more, their guard goes up about themselves about something like that because we don't contextualize for any of these pop girls in terms of lyrics like that. But I feel like when someone. You think because they don't have kids? Maybe. I think a lot of projection happens when you've grown up with the person. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes. You must feel that way. For sure, yeah. There's parts of my, I mean, I've said this before, but there's parts of my identity to people that haven't grown because of the character hasn't grown. 100%. You know? Your identity that haven't grown. Yeah, like in people's minds. In people's minds. Yes, absolutely. That they're like, oh, she's that from Cinderella story or Lizzie or whatever, you know? And that character never grows up, so like I can't. Right. You know? That is, it's an interesting thing. Like I remember like a few years ago, like when the Lizzie McGuire reboot was happening, I was so on your side when you were like, we have to have this person be an adult woman. Yeah. What do we think? I know. Well, yeah, I mean, just, it was the only thing that made sense to me. It was like, she's gotta be doing 30 year old things. Not 14. Yeah. Also, there's been an app, this press star, there's been an absence of love for younger. And I just wanna say shame on everyone because that was a great American television series. Did you happen to see the clip of on my Instagram? You weren't watching my stories this morning. You're kidding, right? I was streaming the album this morning as I have been. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. We'll take all the streams we can get babe. One of my best year's friends in life, I made on that show, it's Molly Bernard. She's the redhead, Lauren. She was at my show last night, absolutely going off. And some fan caught it on camera and it's so cute. The best. She's like, full circle mom. She's like my friends a pop star. I know. Cause she hadn't been able to see that. No, that's really special. She's only seen me and my mother, my child bearing years and very different than that part of my past. It's so back though. I mean, when you came in, the first thing we gushed to you was how great you were on the tonight show. And you said you had fun doing it. I did. I'm having a lot of fun. I mean, the amount of work is crazy. And there are days where you're like, wow, I like it. Of course. Now you're gonna go do hot ones. I know, which I'm so excited about, but I'm terrified. And then the kicker of it all is I'm getting on a plane after. Oh. So wow. This is, cause you can poop on the plane, not like a bus. But I don't want to. You're gonna have to. There comes a point where everyone gets to a certain point where you're like, okay, all my life, I've not pooped on the plane. Today's the day. Today's the day after the haul. And then you meet yourself in that moment. And then you move forward. I will keep you posted on what happens. Yeah, just let me know what happens together. See, the thing about taking a workout class together though is that is the great equalizer. And now a quick break from our sponsor, Vital Proteins. And it is vital. Collagen peptides is a wellness supplement that supports healthy hair, skin, nails, bones, and joints. When we hit 30, our body's collagen production starts to drop. And that's when Vital Protein steps in. Their iconic blue tub is everywhere. People love Vital Proteins in part because it's so easy. Just mix it into your coffee, tea, or smoothie. And you're good to go. Right now you can get 20% off your next order by going to vitalproteins.com and using promo code LasCulturbistas20 at checkout. Huge thanks again to our sponsor, Vital Proteins. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. We got dinner with someone last night who was waiting in line at the bathroom at some event. I hate waiting in line. No, no, no, no. She goes in and the seed is dappled and stuff. And then she goes pee pee. And then she was like, in her mind, she was like, that wasn't her. It was the person before. And she liked everybody else beforehand. Just squatted. Just hovered and squatted. You know what I mean? I have this weird thing that people follow me to the bathroom my entire life. Yeah, I would imagine. I got eyes on Hillary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I would, even if it wasn't mine, clean it. Because I don't want people thinking it was me. I do the same thing. Tons of toilet paper around me. I'm cleaning. 100%. It's spotless when I leave. And then sometimes spotless when. Yeah, that's correct. I feel the same way. I will even wipe down the countertop sometime. If it's not like a big thing. Oh, no, angel. And then the other thing is, what if it was an unruly flusher that sprayed the seed? Sometimes I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. If I can't see the color, I'm like, well, it was the flusher. Yeah. Tonight show is phenomenal. And you were saying earlier, unlike other things, because we relate to this, it's like, oh, that was actually fun. You're saying you're having fun. Are you able to identify the different thing this time? Like this go around. What is making it fun? Okay, one, I have a dream team sent from God. I'm loving everyone that's around me right now. And that feels really good. Not that it's been like bad before, but just this is like, I'm having fun. We hang. Like we try to, you know, pepper in fun, normal things that aren't just constantly like work and fluff. I'm so tired of glam and I love my glam. Getting makeup and hair done right now. I'm just like. I know. Yeah, you dissociate. And complaining about that sounds so lame. No, no, no, no, no. I know friends that would be like, I would love to have my glam done every day. But there's something about being stuck in the chair and unable to do anything during that time that you're just like feel really crappy, especially as a parent. If I'm sitting in my house and I want to be around so my kids feel like I'm around that day and I'm getting glammed, I feel like it's so tragic. I feel like they must, I'm desperate for them to not look back and be like, mommy got glammed all the time. My memories of my mother where she was upstairs and glam. Yes, yeah. Like no. That haunts me a little bit. Never. Wait, can we bounce to, can we bounce back to Fallon for a second? Yes, I was gonna. I had this crazy like leg moment. I love the leg. But let's zoom in on a picture from the leg at some point. You guys, I have a sock mark. Stop. No one's clocking it. And that doesn't sum up me trying to exist as a pop star in Hollywood is like my sock mark that. First of all, the sock mark, no one was ever gonna notice it because you know what was on point? Your hairography. Oh. Hairography on 10 at the Tonight Show. Okay, that happened fast. The wet, the wet. In the right light. And it happened. It really like the hair landed. And then of course we got the classic iconic we're on all fours and we give. Perfect. That was really well done. Thank you, thank you. Thank you, thank you. Can I ask you walking around in a house that's falling apart while it's raining, is that a callback? Well, it was a slight callback. We grabbed a moment. Love. A little nod to the past. That house was fucked up and falling apart. I was like, girl, get out of there. The director built, had his crew, by the way, we filmed that right before Christmas. So there was like not that many people around who wanted to work. And he got this like skeleton crew together and they built that house, just like a four wall house somewhere in like Pomona amongst like mustard greens. And the house actually like fell apart. It was really cool. Like on purpose. It was like gagged, like rigged like that. Oh, I know. I was like, whoa, this still happens. People spend this money sometimes. I love that it was gagged like that. That is a new expression you just created. Gagged like that. The house was all gagged up. Gagged up. Maybe it's time to live up. Gagged up. Wait, should we trademark it? Yes. I wanted to ask one of my favorite parts of the whole album is your blink sample. Yeah. That was an inspired choice. I want to know how this came. Yeah, okay. Well, blink is when I like close my eyes and I think about getting my driver's license and like my first taste of freedom, blink was on the radio. You're feeling this. Yeah, yeah, feeling this. So it's a real nostalgic wink. And then I actually, Matt had the idea to sample that song and I was like 100% yes. It's the coolest. How do we do that? How do we just pay them? Do they have to approve it? Can they say no after I've fallen in love with this song and we've written this beautiful love song to my best friend? Yes. And he's like, we just give them all the publishing. Like, okay, great. Oh, okay. They can just have it. They just have it. And it was like worth it enough to me to have on the record because I live for that song. Yeah. It does something to me. That's sweet. Have you ever like connected with like Mark Hoppett? They're so nice. I run into Mark at Sushi the Valley often. I feel like I'm driving off the road constantly on Ventura because I like to redesign what I would put, how I would design this strip of the Valley. I'm like, we could use this there. That should be a private club. That should be like that motel that's off of Coldwater and like Ventura. I'm like, can't we make this like a cool dinner club and have like, I just like to redesign everything. And you really should be mayor. Yeah. And I'm like, how has this survived here for so long? I know. Get this one out of here. I have these questions. And then the good stuff leaves us like Oil Can Harry's. Oil Can Harry's was such a vibe. It was the definition of that. Don't try to bring your drink on the dance floor. The people that go there every night are like, no, no. Right, right. Get your drink off the dance floor. Okay, so you were up in Oil Can Harry's. Yes, yes, I was. What were your years of this? OCH. 10 years ago. Like 10 years ago. Okay. That was the peak. That was like, I felt like I was what an Austin. How about when you walk into Oil Can Harry's and then it's like massive. You're like, what? I know. This is hiding in here? I've had some of my best like, shouldn't have made out with that person, makeouts there. Yeah. And now I never will again. Oh, that's nasty. You need these spaces. You should open this up in the, on that strip. Like Hillary Gough presents Oil Can Harry's 2.0. Like that's, that's, I can see it all. Gagged up ventures. Gagged up. That's my LLC or whatever. Gagged up. That's so bad. Wait, I have a question about tonight's show just to go back to this. Okay. That's bad. Okay. This is my question. Okay. Cause you're changing the lyrics cause it's television from, you know, giving head, kissing your neck. Yes. Did you giggle at that? I did. I was like, oh, that's a great tasteful like alt, but I am always terrified as the songwriter, singer, person, while there's a camera in my face, I'm going to sing the like the, the uncensored lyric. Can I tell you what helped me? Yes. So I did this every time I, Great. And it helped me. That's not something I like typically do. Nemanah queen. When I'm performing that song cause I'm not singing that lyric. So I like did like You indicated. Yes. I indicated. And then with gave myself a mental note. Did you still say touching myself? I did because I was like, the amount of jerk off jokes that like comedians have probably had in your show. Like, come on. No. You're going to let me do it. See when you, when you fight for it, they just, they just want to see you fight. And then once you do it, they're like, I'm scrappy. I just want to know I'm scrappy. Yeah. But you're not like, I would be terrified. The alts were so funny. Of course. When we were trying to figure out what the alt was for giving you head. We were like, kissing your friend. What was the other ones? Yeah. I was like, that changes the whole Of course. concept of the song. Making your bed. It is funny when you kid's bopify everything and it becomes like Kids bopify. That's really what it is. Can we kid's bopify the album? I have. I have. I've had to do all the alts. Yeah. But kids bopify is like a level below that are beyond that where it's like, it's about sleepovers and snacks and, you know. It's a sleepovers anymore, Bowen. It's a sleep under. No one lets their kids sleep over at anyone's house anymore. Is that true? Is this real? I was going to say, like, I don't know. Because I will say what has changed and let me know if you think this is true. Well, also. Everything? Well, everything, yes, but Halloween. Oh, like your kid, you can't just dive into your candy. I feel like what it is, is it's like, but I will say our friend Jared lives in Studio City. So it is actually really cute over there because. The Mecca. It's like the Mecca for Halloween and like trick or treating. But it just felt like for a few years there, I don't know if it's because people were a little bit, looking at each other sideways a little bit because of our, you know, political and social reality. But it felt like trick or treating took a dive. Like kids were not like hidden the neighborhood like they used to. I used to run with my little sack, like going by myself. Yeah, it's a different time. But our parents have like always said, it's a different time now and not how we're saying it. And it's just like, I think something happens, but it is. Like it's, I would never send my kids out trick or treat. Well, Luca goes out with his friends now and I don't know how much like trick or treating they're doing. They're just hanging out. Yeah, they're just hitting the town. Yeah, but like we can track him on his phone. So, you know, but like the girls, like we're trick or treating with them and, you know, we do that really lame thing where basically we like take their candy away the next day. And do what with it? They call it a, eat it. Oh, yeah. No, they call it a switch, witch or switch, which a switch, which Google that for me. Where you, the kids get to have their fun with the candy the night and they get to like go ham. And we let them, we're not a household that's like restrictive. So, but, but if they put their Halloween candy bucket, like outside the like, which comes and like leaves them. You sure a stuffy or a toy or whatever and takes like the candy. There's a value trade. Yeah, and I, we have a lot of treats throughout the week and I realize that treats are just like, you know, it's fun. But I rather it be an experience that we're going out to like get a treat and like do it with people that we have fun with. Then just like dipping into a bag of candy for the next month. Cause that, that's like stoner culture. We're not gonna, we're not doing all that in the family. We're not doing all that. We're not doing all that. I think it's time to ask the question. We have to ask the question. Oh God, the question? The question. This is the central question of Lost Coach. This is the big one. Hilary Duff, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? I have given this question so much thought. I knew it. And I was like, what angle do I approach? Cause there are so many. There are so many. And we're willing to hear all angles. Yes. Oh, I have one prepared. That's all your heart. I'm gonna say the Spice Girls. Thank God for you. You've done it. Has someone else said the Spice Girls? Not in the history of the show, I feel like probably, but not today. So, of course I wanted to be baby Spice, but the Spice Girls for me was my first concert. And the first time I saw women and all their different vibes. Celebrating each other too. Yeah, but their expressions. Like sporty, posh, this, that. I was like, oh my God, and you can be all of them. It just depends on the day. How you wake up feeling. You could feel like one of the Spice Girls. And I was like, limited too. And then we started coming out to California and would hit Melrose. And then I could basically imitate all of their wardrobe. And there was a store in San Francisco where they were in Santa Monica called Wild Pear. And I could, my mom wouldn't let me buy any of the really like high slutty shoes. Because I was nine. You were not yet at a high slutty. It was like, almost like, pay less, how they have like boxes of shoes out. But they were high heels platforms. And I could like strap them on and like go for a walk. And be like, I'm a fucking Spice Girl right now. Because that was such a huge part of the Spice Girls thing was the platform shoe. And the platform sneaker. So like I could get that on Melrose and my mom let me have them. And it was so fun. I was like hair, makeup, all the inspiration you needed was like within the Spice Girls. And then Spice World happened. And then Spice World happened. And this is well documented as well. But like, if baby is number one, who is the most frequent sort of person that you would identify with in other moments? Cause you're waking up one day, like most of the time you're a baby. Do you feel like you have, I feel like you're also- You guys remember the lollipops? Yes. Trumpa choopa, what are those called? The choopa chups. Choopa chups and they were Spice Girls. Yes. I would dig and dig and dig for the baby Spice ones. But I'm mostly gone. Okay, I think the other one would be- Posh. Posh for me was a later, like a slow burn. Agree. Now, 100%. Everything. Right? Yes. But back then, the two parts of my personality was baby and sporty. Yeah. Posh was advanced humor. Yeah. Go with me here. So like when Spice World happened, I had never really been checking for Posh because for me it's like, I'm never gonna like gravitate towards an energy that's like removed in a loof. Especially at that time, I was like, I'm excited. I wanna be a part of things. And look at the rest of these girls are really going for it. But then- I'm obsessed with this. Then, watching the movie. Okay. I think, one of my answers to this question is the scene where they're like, doing like an obstacle course in the movie. And it just cuts to, it's just like showing them go over the obstacle course. And then you just see Posh in heels walking along the side. It's like, I'm not playing this game. And then all Posh's line deliveries in the movie, like when they fall in the water and she's like, this stress is dry, clean, only, Melanie. I was just like, there's something about her prioritizing her glamour and being so like mean to the rest of them. But that's still being their sister. That I am like, deeply envious of the energy of that. Like this, you can't get me to care. I am unbothered before we knew that word. That was Posh's advice. I'm adding some of that to my personality right now. Yeah, no, download it. Yeah, it's time. But I think you- You also taught people to be unbothered with so yesterday. Oh my God, thank you. I think that is unbothered. That is the original unbothered anthem. Oh my God, really? You haven't heard this before? No. Haven't you heard that I'm gonna be okay? You guys, once I talked to this psychic on the phone and she doesn't know who you are. Yes. When you call. And eventually she figured it out and she was like, are you Hillary Duff? How did she figure it out? Despite her psychic ability, shouldn't she have known some of these people? How did she- What did I say? How did she- Andrew, go for it. Okay. Okay. She figured it out because, oh my God, this is so, I need to like call Angel and make sure she's cool with me sharing this. I'm friends with Erin Carter's sister. Still Angel. We go, our kids go to the same school. She's a lovely literal angel of a person. We're very close. We talk about Erin often. So I call this psychic and I like to dabble. Yeah, I dabble as well. Two times a year, I get a little wild hair. He's more like a little bit like- On the- I've, no, I dabble. You dabble? Yeah. Choreoscope. Yeah. Okay. Palm reader, cards, whatever. I like it. I'll do any of it because it's fun. Yeah. Give me anything that can validate. Yeah. Like the path I'm on, choices I'm making. Give you a framework, yeah. Give me a little support. Anything you can use positively. I'm not living by it like firmly. I'm just like, let's have fun with this. Okay, cool. Yeah, we're with you. So I call her, she's so hard to get a hold of this woman. Okay. I track her down for three weeks. She doesn't let you pay. She's like, this is not my job. This has been a curse for me my whole life because she has the gift her family, other people in her family have the gift. I guess when she was in school, she'd look at the teacher and be like, you and your husband are gonna get a divorce. Oh my God. And then she's like, A, and she's in trouble. Right, but she's like, I saw this happening, whatever. Like I can't imagine. And then I think people with that kind of gift maybe have to get it off their chest. I feel like it's like a burden to them unless they expel it, yeah. So she, I get on the phone with her and she's like, oh, she's like, you have like such bright energy. I'm so excited to talk to you today. And I was like, oh, thank you. That's so nice. How do we start? I don't know. Should I just start asking you questions, whatever? She's like, well, people are gonna start showing up for you. And there's someone here, Aaron, two A's, Aaron. And I was like, oh no, my heart. I was like, oh my God. And she's like, I was like, is it Aaron Carter? And she's like, sure is, what the hell's he doing here? Wow, oh my gosh. And I was like, well, that's my childhood boyfriend. And you know, I kind of, that would make sense to me. Yeah. And she's like, are you Hillary Duff? Like cut to our lighter topics. And she was like, so yesterday, help me through my breakup and I will never not love you. It's like, oh my God. That's so funny. Thank you so much. Anyway, yeah, a really wild experience. But no, I didn't know the lore behind so yesterday being, what'd you call it? The unbothered anthem. Unbothered anthem. Unbothered anthem. Yeah. Makes sense, yes? Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. 100% it was. At least not today. Not today. I feel like, here's the thing. The thing about you, like in the way that like, the place that you held in culture, and I hope that you take this as a compliment, it's like, there were so many times where, because everyone looked up to you so much, you were like, hey, this is important to care about. Like I was thinking on the way up here, it was 2008 when your commercial for knock it off, don't say gay came out. And I remember, so we graduated high school in 2008, and I came back from school from NYU one time, and there was like, one of my friends, older brothers, was always dogging me. I was in the closet and he was always like, the one that was making comments and stuff. I remember that commercial had come out, and there was like a shift in the conversation. Fuck that guy. I know. Fuck that guy. I hope he gets a real issue disease. So he did. Extremely itchy. I haven't checked, I think, I hope he's itching wherever he is. He certainly is now. I hope he's itchy wherever he is. But there was a moment where, and my one friend had never stuck up for me when these things happened. Usually it was like that thing. The brother that was your friend, never stuck up for you to his brother? It was my girlfriend. Like one of my girlfriends, I didn't have a girlfriend, but female friend, and it was her older brother that was saying this stuff all the time. And I remember she was like, I was in the other room, and she for the first time ever was like, what do you care if he's gay? Like what do you get? What does it matter? Like and no one was ever saying anything like that. So there was like a turning point, not to say that you were single-handedly, the reason why, but like, I think that like, back then it was like the word was even- No one was saying this is not cool to say. Everyone was saying it's cool to say it. Like I remember when we were in middle school and high school, like Eminem was like, it's essentially the biggest pop star in the world, like saying these types of things on the radio. Like it was popular to be homophobic. And then that turn, I also remember a time when I was watching Lizzie McGuire in my kitchen and it was the episode where- Because it was just on TV? No, it was on TV all the time. So like we're tuning in because it's gonna be on TV right now. And if you miss it, you miss it. If you miss it, you miss it. And then you had to tune in, but I remember it was the episode where Miranda was dealing with stuff with eating. And my dad was watching over my shoulder and he was just like, what is this show? He's like, I love this show. He's like, he was a PE teacher. He's like, I wanna show this to my health class. Like there was like a lot of messages in what you did of Philly because we all respected you. You were our age, but we respected you. And when you said things that held meaning, we listened. That's so nice. Thank you for saying that. Honestly, I hear it a lot. And sometimes when you hear compliments over and over again, you're like, oh yeah, thank you. But I receive what you're saying. Well, this is different than like- Your hair was incredible on the tonight show. This is, that holds value, but this is like, it's you're meaningful to our generation. I think when you, it's nice to always have the compliment or something like this meant so much to me, but when you get to have some framework and like see the picture of you and your friend and this guy giving you the older brother, giving you a hard time, you're like, oh, I see how that have impacted you in a nice way and made you not feel bad or whatever. So thank you. I'm starting to try to, instead of trying to deflect from compliments say, thank you, I've received that. I have that struggle too. It's a leap of thing maybe. Cause we have to balance it out with something. I'm over identifying with you as a Libra rising. Rising. But it's, well, isn't that how you say yourself rising? It's, well, Channy Nicholas, Strollinger, does your reading based on your rising and not your son. So my reading every day is Libra rising, but it's, I think it's that it's like, oh, I have to, you're giving me something positive. I have to counterweight that. I love my favorite part of the PSA though, besides the message of it is that you still end it with, I love those jeans though, like cute jeans though. Like it's still complimentary. You're still showing love to this girl. Yeah. Like that skirt is atop, but you, but there's, those jeans are good. That was like the young version of me. I don't think I need to like round out with a compliment anymore if someone's being a dick. Good. We're done here. Can I share my, quickly I'll just share my first exposure to Lizzie McGuire, which was all, has to do with sleepovers incidentally. Okay. It was fifth grade, heavily still in the closet with all these boys, I'm feeling something. I'm like, wait a minute, what's going on? It would be on TV, but it was also my first experience with on demand, where like it's like one in the morning, we're all in this Danny Wettmore's basement and all these boys are like, we have to watch the hottest girl. We're watching Lizzie McGuire. She's the hottest prettiest, this girl, Hilary Duff. Oh my God, no. She's so hot. So all these nine year olds being like, so then we're putting, and then on this, on their giant home theater screen, they put on Lizzie McGuire at 2 a.m. video on demand. This guy's- 2 a.m. Lizzie McGuire. 2 a.m. whatever time it is, Lizzie McGuire, and I'm like- A wild batch, you were wet. The pay-per-view. Yeah, the pay-per-view. They have no older brothers. We had no older brothers. No older brothers. And they're probably earnestly watching her too. We were earnestly watching and like laughing, being like, oh my God, she's so good. But it was my, it was like a first like closet moment for me where I was like, but it was safe. I don't feel like she's hot, like the rest of them. No, no, no, I was like, she's beautiful. But I thought, but I'm appreciating her in a different way than these boys are. I'm not like, but like all the boys, all the boys we had crushes on, had crushes on you. I had crushes on you. And so we all had you in common. But it doesn't even, I found effect for the straight male. Can you do it one more time? But like, I was, but then I went, I'm not thinking the same thing these boys are when I look at this pretty girl, I'm thinking, oh, I want to be friends with her. We need to go shopping together. We're doing, I just know in 20 years, we're all going to do Boondah. I just know we're heading to Boondah. Anyway, so that's my, that's my. That's a fun one. Yeah, you know, like sleepover. I really like that one. Wait, for curiosity's sake, what are your other avenues? Like in terms of the, in terms of the culture that made your psychology was for you, because you said you had so many. You talked about Olsen twins on family. Yeah, the Olsen twins were a big. Brother for sale? For only 50 cents. But just that entire series, I'm like. They were so adorable. So adorable. Brother for sale with their big eyes, like you were just like, I want to be you. They had it. But that was, that was your. You're invited. They still have it. Well, I got my first pair of pants from the row. When did this happen? This happened about four months ago. Wow. My stylist was like, and these are from the row. And I was like, well, like I've made it. There is a moment when you get something from the row and you're like, should I? You're gonna have it for life. They are life pieces because. Life pieces. They're sturdy. They're what? They're sturdy. Oh yeah, sturdy. Yeah, I thought you said dirty. I was like. Excuse your mouth in the good way. Excuse your mouth. What were my other options? Oh yeah, grease. Grease was a big one for me. Do you replace Sandy? Would I or did I? Did you or have you? No, I haven't ever played Sandy. That would be a fun thing to do. The her and the spandex take me away. I was like, oh my God, this, I wanna put high heels on it and strut around it. It's about the shoes. It's about the popcorn. And then Michelle Pfeiffer did grease too, which was arguably. People have said this. Good. I'm not gonna say better. We're not gonna argue. A lot, but people have sat in this chair and been like grease too is better and they'll stand tentatively. I think I prefer watching it more. I'm not sure I can say better, but I enjoy watching it more. Michelle Pfeiffer's so hot, I can't deal. There's also a theme here in basically, I think, women embodying something bigger than, something larger than life. Something in your face. Something, yeah, turning point in the woman's existence. Right? Coming into her own. You mean for me, the theme for me? I mean, I'm looking at, I'm seeing threads. Yes, yeah. Okay, and the other one, which also falls under that category, is pretty woman. And I watched it way too young. This was like a real crazy thing in the 90s that I think, well, when we got like snowed in, we couldn't, which is weird, because I live in Texas, but we couldn't leave the house because every once in a while, it like freezes over in Texas. Right. And we had this, like this country house and there was really nothing to do there. And pretty woman was on TV and my mom was like, well, well, here's the day. We're watching it. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I'm obsessed. Like it was everything to me. And then the other avenue was TGI Friday. Oh, come on. TGIF. TGIF was massive culture. Massive culture. I can't believe they named her after Tupenga Canyon. Her hair. Her hair. Oh, her hair was everything. It was like Hillary Duff on the Tonight Show. Yeah. The amount of the like pounds of hair I had on the Tonight Show. Oh my God. My kids have gotten really used to just like pounds of hair laying around the house. That's gonna be their memory of mommy. Right? Just extensions everywhere. Not the glam, just the extensions. Well, we can only describe as Tupenga coded. Of course. Wait, oh God, it escaped me. Never mind. Wait, oh, hold on, hold on. But see, you watching Pretty Woman. Yeah. Look how everything turned out. It's like Maymay can listen to a song about whatever. You know what I mean? About anxiety or about like a mature song title. A mature themes. It's not gonna pollute their mind necessarily. No. No. I mean, there's always ways to have good conversations with your kids. And I think it's totally okay to be like, hey, I would love to explain that to you someday, but that day's not today. I don't have to answer every question you ask me. No. Ask me five million fucking questions all the time. Are they question kids? Maymay is. She never stops talking. Maymay, she's a conversationalist by trade. Banks is not like as much of a talker until we're having like nighttime routine and like wind down and she wants to do like Rose and Thorn. And yeah, she's, and then I'll get a lot out of her then. Maymay just never stops talking. Yeah. We love her for that. We love her for that though. We have different styles. But like, okay, I'm just. Like, Jess as an example, let's go back, but Maymay this morning I'm FaceTiming her and she's like, I gotta tell you something. Can I tell you something? I really, I'm like, just go out with it. Why do we have to ask the question before the question happens? Of course. And she's like, I'm eating a Madeline. I'm eating a Madeline. You gotta tell daddy. And she's just talking into the camera and there's like just crumbs coming out of her mouth. It's like a dry Madeline. Why do I need to know this? Why? Like also I'm obsessed with you. Keep telling me more. Aww. She's so funny. She's so funny. Co-op members now get prices matched to Audi. Hold on, no way. Okay then, so co-op members now get everyday essentials priced matched to Audi. Sign up and start saving. Co-op, owned by you, right by you. I wasn't expecting that. Co-op member prices matched versus comparable selected products at Audi GB. Co-op membership required Co-op group futsal sonycco.co.uk slash Audi price match. Okay, I cut you off. Well, no, no, no, no. Because this is all pertinent because, and I'm sure you've been asked this a million times, a million different ways, but I'm genuinely curious that like about if you've grown up in, like as a child, like being treated and handled by a bunch of different people, like does that give you this extra dimension to like how you are as a parent and how you talk to children now? Like are you extra sensitive? Do you like, cause it seems like you're very keyed into like how someone that age might take in new information. Like we'll talk about this later. Like is this something that you're like internalizing, that you've internalized from being like a child star? Oh, I don't know. I haven't really thought about it like that. I think I have four kids. Yeah. So I've had a lot of practice and I like say sorry to Luca all the time cause I'm like, we just fucked up. I don't know. Mommy's a human who fucks up. Yeah, like, no, it just, I think way too much like involvement. Care. Care, you know, doing too much for, you just can't help it. It's like this new addition to your life where you're like, I do everything for you now. Like I have nothing to take care of. And then you have like more subsequent kids and you can't do everything for them and you can't always protect them and you can't be there for their everything. And then you just, you know, you learn the dialogue that works for your family. Like some kid that banks, sometimes says curse words and we let her because it's so funny to me. How old? She's seven and she only does it like, she doesn't just like willy nilly do it. If we're like, hey, say this thing, we'll do it and it's hilarious and we love it. And she knows that can't happen outside of the household or that can't happen with, she knows boundaries. If you have a kid that doesn't know boundaries, you obviously can't play that game. You know what I mean? And different conversations, you, your dialogue changes per child when you start to know your child and. Interesting. Banks cannot stop with sugar. Luca will eat half a cupcake at a birthday party and be like, I'm done. So it's just like, all your kids are different. Yeah. Also, I think that like as you're talking about like, you know, your mom sees pretty woman on television, sees her daughter and is like, it don't matter, we're watching it because this is my favorite thing. One of my favorite memories from when I was growing up is I know my dad wanted to see the nutty professor to the clumps so bad. So he said, get in the car, we're going to the movies. And I was like, okay, it was not up to me. We were just going. One of my favorite memories of me and my dad, still to this day. And it was something that like seeped through with his personality to me. It like wasn't a way he was intentionally, it was just him being himself. And so I feel like. He's like, we're going to do what I want to do because I want to do it today. And it's probably normally all about you guys. But get in, we're going. Yeah, get in, we're going. And I remember like, I remember there was something too about like watching that movie with him. And it was not quote unquote appropriate, but the allowance that he was giving for us to enjoy that together, made us feel closer. And so your kids are, I guess I had to be like 12, 11. I forget exactly when that movie came out, but it was certainly spiritually around that area. Like certainly younger than 13. When your kids get to an age where they can start handling more of adult life things, it's so fun. One, it's really important to keep like the conversations going in the household, like constantly like checking in and normalizing topics that they're ready for. But when you can start enjoying content of the world that's like more adult and have their takes on it. And it's so moving, honestly, I love it. Luca and I watched a bunch of movies this year. What did we just watch? Oh, we watched Hamnet. And it was, I know, and it was, he was really into it. He likes a period piece. I can't get Matt to watch a period piece. So that was really fun. You have your sophisticated son for that. And the other thing that I did that was like your dad is I've started to make him watch a holiday with, holiday movie with me every year. And this year we did the holiday and he really enjoyed it. That's so sweet. I know, I know, it's fun. Especially you gotta get those things in there too before like, I just remember like being a 14 year old boy. Like, and that's when, and I don't know how different it is now but like other boys start to become like, it's, that's when the toxic masculinity looms. And it doesn't have to be something that people indulge in. And again, generationally we are different. But I do remember that time and I have like a lot of like, like compassion for the kid that I was but also all the other kids, the boys around me because it's like the world is yelling at you to be a certain way. You don't wanna be that way. You wanna be sensitive. Like you want to actually have access to and display of all your emotions. It's just, it can get loud when you have a culture telling you this is the way boys are supposed to act. It's absolutely infuriating. And now parents have to deal with social media and like a constant stream of like, like Luca has YouTube, is it called shorts? Yeah. YouTube shorts, right? And that's his version of like social media. And it's just like, oh, the things are, you know, you just, you're, it's just the conversations because you're like, okay, that they're getting this fed directly into their brains and their brains aren't as strong as ours yet. And mine's not even that strong anymore. When I see stuff, I'm like, Ooh, yeah. It's just a wild information dump on them that wasn't something that we had to deal with back then. Thank God. Thank God, I know. Can you imagine? I can't, I can't. I mean, we're the last of them. I know. Yeah. We're the last of the people that don't, didn't have that. Yeah. And it's really hard to keep it away from your kids. But you know, but just hearing you talk about like, get in the car, we're going to the movies and talking about to go back to the bus. I think that's like the antidote to any anxieties that you have about them like consuming that because it's like, no matter how, I'm sure it'll be challenging throughout the tour to like have everybody in the slots or whatever, but like you will, you will probably, I'm not telling you how to feel, but you will probably look back on this moment and be like really grateful and it'll be so fond. And like, oh my gosh, like we grew up for like a couple of months on this silly little vehicle. I also feel like Matt and I get stronger every time we get faced with something quite crazy, like packing up, you know, for kids. Luca won't be there the whole time. He's a teenager now and he's like deep into soccer. So he'll be like in and out. But like, you know, packing up a bus filled with kids and possibly animals and, you know, and we, I feel like we level up every time we tackle something like that and it's such a beautiful like notch on the belt. So I'm looking forward to it. And back on the topic of, you know, social media and our kids like getting information from their friends or pressures from their friends or whatever, we do this thing in our house. And I feel like it's so important to just have your little family quirks and stick to them and make your kids do it. We, on the weekends, we'll just start singing the song in the house, Matt and I. It's Amanda Torrey family walk, Amanda Torrey family walk. And we just, and everyone's like, no, we live in the hills. So it's not an easy walk. And we'll like get the dogs and we make everyone go. And just like the conversations that happen are so nice. And everyone enjoys it by the end, but no one wants to go in the beginning. Yeah, but you know, that's part of the process too now. We have to act like we're put upon. Right. To go on the, walk in the hills. Like people would like to go on a walk. You don't have any idea how to walk. They're actually are people that are going to be doing a meet and greet specifically. To have one-twelfth of the time you're going to get with me during this walk. Anapolaroid. Anapolaroid. Anapolaroid. Will everyone in the family come to MSG though? I think so. Come on. Luca lived in New York with me when I was shooting younger. So he loves, he loves Brooklyn. And he'll have to, he wants to come for the MSG show. That's just a big deal. It's a huge deal. You did play MSG back in the day, right? I think I only played it for like a jingle ball. Jingle ball. So it's your first time headlining and selling at Madison Square Garden. Yeah, twice. That's so major. Twice, I know it's two days. It's so cool. It's awesome. It's awesome. I just feel like what it must feel like, or what it's going to feel like to go out there after like being like, you know, living a different life for so long is going to be, it's like an extra special experience. The muscle memories in there, but I also am so me now that it's nice to have those two people like collide and be one. 100% is wake up in the set list. Come on. Thank God. Because that, I always am saying London, Paris, maybe Tokyo when we're booking a trip. I mean, that's like, that's just part of, those are always the top. Tokyo's a maybe because it's just kind of far. London and Paris make sense together because they're close. London, Paris, maybe Tokyo is the hardest left. It's like, wow, we were in London and Paris, but maybe Tokyo. Maybe Tokyo. Let's have fun and play. No, take me away. What day is the Madison Square Garden trip? August. It's August something. The publicist. We have to Google that. August 15th. I can't keep dates in my head. It's my worst flaw. No, you're too busy. You're doing everything. Wait, did Matt write on the album besides roommates? What else did he write on the album? We wrote the whole album together. Why did I think it was just roommates? No, we wrote the whole album together. Okay, you can tell because I'm a fan of his work. I love his stuff with Carly Rae. I know. Like, I mean, like he's really, really talented. That Carly Rae record. Yeah. Actually the one after. She's had so many good ones. I'm a huge fan. Carly Rae. But like you're referencing the Japanese house and like the album and it's like, I'm curious, like what are you and Matt listening to in the house like among YouTube? Because like, I feel like you were both from these very wonderful, big like through lines in music that are meeting together now in this like lush but still sparse like pop. Like it's, I love this album so much in the way that like, talk about like how you guys arrived together at this. I think sonically we were one looking at my old catalog a lot. So I feel like in Weather for Tennis, you pick up some of that very like Hilary Duff Leaning Lane. Yes. But some of the things we were listening to was like the Japanese house, the 1975. It's all in that world like the liminist space. Like even Harry's house for me, not so much taking inspiration from that, but I loved putting that record on for the first time and being like, oh, I can just like, this is just a fantastic soundtrack. It's atmosphere. You can live in it. Yes. And like I could be hosting a dinner party and that's happening. I'm gonna be in my car solo and this is happening. Like it was just a very like pleasant. All purpose. All purpose. Music for a sushi restaurant. And then the rest was like really trying not to listen to too much outside music. And we have so many kids that it's not hard to not do that because they kind of will steer the ship. And it's lots of like. Taylor. Gracie Abrams and Taylor and Katzai and things I love. But you know, I was. It's not gonna go in the album necessarily. No, we really tried to stay in like a Hilary Duff Lane that's almost 40. I loved that it does. It does feel like it's still, like it speaks to a little bit that pop rock thing that you were so like emblematic of. I feel like back in the day. But it gets a little dreamier. There's like a veil of dreamy on top of it. It's like a nostalgic filter over that sound but more contemporary. And I love the way your voice sounds on it too. Thank you. There's really like, I think the choices like are just so great. And I love the like little pops of humor that are in there. It's just like I said, like it feels like. It's so me. It's so like me coded and it's weird to say that but it's like, you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of like serious themes on the record. But they're like disguised as like a going out night. Yeah. And like maybe there's like a rhinestone bra underneath that. Yeah. Versailles dress shirt. You know what I mean? Like it's just that I feel like that is very a big part of my personality. Like, oh, this is kind of happening in it serious but also like we're having a great time. Yeah. I really wanted that to be expressed on the record because that's being an adult, right? Like we're handling so many things. We're moving through parts of life that like are new to us. And it was like important for it to just be very like real and raw. I feel like that's the theme of the album to me is that like, oh, these are all like moments in between or on the way to like a bigger conversation. Much like, you know, talking like talking to the kids, like we'll talk about that later. It's like, I feel like adult size medium is about that. It's like, oh, it's like this is kind of deteriorating but like we can't really address it just yet. Or there's just a lot of that on the album that I think is like is really hard to capture that people don't really take the time to like focus in on. It's very what you're describing where it's like, I could put this on at home, I could put this on in the car. It is all purpose, but so specific. Right. So it's really fucking good. Thank you so much. Also my voice, like it was really fun to get on the mic again after 10 years, like really 10 years. Recorded, Matt and I love Third Eye Blind and he was doing a cover and I just happened to, it was during COVID and I was like, are you really trying to cover a Third Eye Blind song and not have me sing on it? Like what the actual fuck? And so I sang that, but I really hadn't sang on a microphone in so long. And so to like arrive here and now and you know, write this record and just have my voice, like I'm so much different now. I'm so much more in my body that I'm not like, I don't need to sing that note or be this thing. I'm just me. And like, you know, I'm making this record cause it feels good and it's just an absolute cherry on top that like people are connecting to it and like it. Deeply. People love it. I mean, us included and like it's just, we're very, very, very happy to have a Hilary Duff album again. Thank you so much. And we're so excited to see you at MSG. We're definitely gonna be there. August, it'll be a hot, sweaty. It will, it will. And enjoy venue, thank goodness. I know, thank God. I know what, New York when it's hot and muggy, like, yes. You know what, it's the worst when you're experiencing it and it creates the best memories. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I want more of this because people don't, this is, thank you for being an apologist, seasoned apologist about muggy New York because people love to shit on it. And I'm like, it's not that bad. We're out. I will tell you that there were times when I lived in Soho and I was shooting younger that I came to my apartment. I got up, my elevator like opened to my apartment and I just like sat down and sobbed. Like sometimes the humidity and heat, if you're like trying to run errands and I'm an LA girlie, so like, I don't understand the concept of like shopping small. Totally, or like- And I would just have like so many bags and I'm like tough and I'm like, I am, I, you're counting the steps, you know? And you're just like. I know, I would identify as being seasonally depressed during August in New York back in the day. I remember, I remember I was saying this, I was like, I think I get seasonal affective disorder when it's August in New York. I was like, I can't do it. When the bugs come out and you're sitting outside and you're just like, now I'm eaten alive by mosquitoes. It's horrible. I thought you were saying that you would- But there's something, I do, I romanticize it. Okay. Same. It's tied to memories for me that I like, I love. It's like, but it's like what you're just saying. It's like, you remember fondly. Yes. The nostalgia filter is over. But sitting in it was a prerisica. You sobbing on a roof, cause like you can't walk another step. And then here we are and it's what you remember about it. It's adult size medium. Yeah. You look back and you're like, I miss those nights. And you're like, that night sucked. So and so kiss, so and so. You're right, you're right. We ended like tears in a toilet. It was a horrible night. What are you talking about? Damn. You're like, oh, but if only. Take me back. To return. It's so real. It's maybe your 20s, whatever, it's the same. Yeah. Find me somebody to love. At Dreams until Tuesday, the more you spend, the more you save with up to 500 pounds off. Dreams, love your bed. Is it time? I think it's time. It's time we've approached the moment. I don't think so, honey. It's our one minute segment that we do where we take a little something in culture and we just sort of work it, we work it out on the remix with this thing. It's not necessarily a take down. Like for example, the one I'm gonna do today. Do you guys go first? Yeah, we go first. We demo. So I go first, Bo and go second. What if you take mine? I don't think you're gonna do this one. What if you take mine? I won't trust me. Do you have notes on your phone? Just a timer. Just a timer. But you can't write notes if you want. Bo and are you cheating? No. See, it's not cheating if you do it, but I will say. I mean, we say every time it tends to hit less hard when someone reads off their phone. I'm not gonna read off my phone. Okay, I know you're not. Do I want to? Yes. Well, now we won't allow it. Now we won't allow it. All right, I feel ready. Okay, you got something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Matt Rodgers, I don't think So Honey is Time starts now. I don't think So Honey crossword culture. I'm sorry, I wake up in the morning, I don't even think about it. Today, thank you so much New York Times. Today, Las Culturistas is in the crossword. A huge honor. I have been texted, reached out to by more people than if I announced my wedding, which probably will never happen, but the thing is like I, old friends from high school, like guys I used to date, like, wow, this is amazing. Congrats on all you've accomplished. We just won a glad award and no one said anything. 30 seconds. But we're in the crossword and it's like, we've given birth to like the royal heir. And here's the thing, Bowen did just walk me through a crossword right before you got it. I'm meeting you, I'm meeting you on. And I see why it's fun. I just wish I could be the kind of person that woke up and thought of the crossword and that is so many millions of people. And I just wanna know where we diverged in the woods that I don't think of the crossword. 30 seconds. And y'all do. Was it my parents, should my dad, instead of taking me to Nutty Professor, have shown me the crossword? I don't know, so honey. And that's one minute. I have so many thoughts. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay, I, it's just too hard. Like I'm not good enough. Especially the ones in the New York Times on a Sunday. I know, that's the one I'm talking about, but people wake up and do it on a Sunday, ever thought to do it before bed? He, I, oh, that's interesting. Like a wind down. You know what's cute? Might be fun for the family on the bus, might be fun for you at home. New York Times crossword puzzle, book of Mondays, easy. So by the days of the week, you know, like the final boss of Sunday, cause it's bigger, it's not necessarily harder. Saturday and Friday are like really tough. Monday, anybody can do it. Okay. But, and that's, and that's to wean you on. That's to like, cause there's like hints that recur. There's like hints that there's like things that like, you're like, oh, that's from like a month ago. Like you start to, you really start to get, people get obsessed over it. The culture is because it's slowly like, very gently brings you on board. I understand that it seems very daunting. I'm not all the way there with, with all these diehards who love the crossword. But yes. It's funny also the things in our culture that just hold the most weight to people. Like the Culeo, like the Culeo thing that people have, that like has a choke hold on them, like the crossword and you guys made it in the crossword. And it's all of a sudden you're like, did I get, is it my birthday? What's with all these texts? More texts today than the other day for my birthday. No. That's not true. It is a thing of, I didn't realize this was so important to you. Here's what bothers me about it. So we're sitting here and we're doing it. And the one clue was like, it's like a five letter word starting with an S and it was other word for pastry in a bakery. And I'm sitting here. And I'm like- You already have it. Do you know what it is? No, I need, I'm just too- Five letters starts with S. It's scone. And I'm sitting here and I'm like, well, of course I knew scone. And I feel like after every single crossword thing, if I'm doing it with someone and they get it first, my instinct is to want to be like, hey, I knew, I didn't know that. Like I do know scone. Like don't think I don't know scone. And it's like that with everything, but he's so fast. I know, I literally looked down and I was like, you know it. You know it. I saw it download in your brain and I was like, you fucking jerk. And that can be you. You're smart. No, I can't. He's the smartest person. No, no, I'm not. No, no. Take it, receive it. Thank you. Or should we say thank you, Lero? No, no. Thank you for bringing back now, now. Because I really do think now, now. That's very us culture is to say now, now. So there's no way that you're gonna do mine because mine is inspired by a lyric. It's not coming for you. Okay, okay, okay. It's inspired. You've really gotten me thinking about this lyric. Okay. Okay, this is about when Yang is not on, I think So Honey use time starts now. I don't think So Honey, the expression, dying on that hill. It's a lyric in weather for tennis. It's a great, it feels like the syllables, it feels like the line in the verse. Dying on that hill, how about dying in the peace and comfort of your own home? Come on. Passing away in your sleep in bed. Dying on that hill, see people say that's the hill I'm willing to die on. But remember when we used to have opinions and not have stakes attached to them? 30 seconds, what do we have to die? I'm gonna die on that, I'm gonna die on this hill. Trader Joe's has the best orange chicken. Shut up. Yeah, you're dying. You're dying on that hill. Also, this isn't the Civil War. 15. It might be about to be. But this isn't the old one. There's no hills. There's no, everybody keep the hills clear of bodies. Five seconds now, now now. Keep the hills clear, that might be public space, green space, public infrastructure. Keep the hills clear of your corpse. And that's one minute. Yeah, keep it open for the picnics, okay? Keep it open for the picnics. But Weather for Tennis reminded me of that saying. That's so good. And I love that line in the song. Because it does fill out everything that's needed. That's a very wordy song. There's not a lot of room to breathe in that song. I love how, it is a, it's Mariah Carey's, there's a lot of like. It's a full album, full of thoughts. Yes. Lots of lyrics. Lots of lyrics. Yeah. Which has kind of always been my music until I like started going to like super dancey genre. Oh, we remember that era. That was like the dignity era. It was like a weird turn, but not for nothing. With love. With love. Everything. Everything. Also beat of my heart. Oh. Don't forget beat of my heart. Before Zed, there was beat of my heart. And that's just true. Yeah, love that one. Yeah, so good. Very fun. That one's in the, in the small rooms, big nerves tour. Oh, it has to be. Yeah, it's been, it's been fun. Okay, is it my turn? It's your turn. Okay, I'm just realizing how long a minute is and it's giving me, it's giving me heart pressure. You're just realizing? No, it's always been 60 seconds. Nothing changed today when you came in. We didn't elongate a minute. Okay. You can do it. You can do it. I think I'm ready. You've done so many harder things. Yeah. Okay. This is Hilary Duff. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The boom of the robots. Please, I am not interested. I would like to talk to a real person on the phone. Oh, thank you. I am sitting there. You know what's gonna happen as soon as I get a real human on the phone after I've pushed every single button. Representative. Representative. Real human with a beating heart, please. Linda, pick up. I need you, okay? Where are you at, Linda? I'm gonna be in Cold Water Canyon. My call's gonna drop. I'm gonna be put to the beginning of the line again. I just need to book my airline ticket. I need to talk to a person. Okay, the other thing that's stressful for me is these little robots that are delivering food in the bucket. No, no. They are so stressed out. They're having an anxiety attack. Watching them slam on the brakes every second. I'm like, the poor thing, all of a sudden I'm feeling empathy for this thing. They had to put eyes on it and give it a name. No, they didn't have to. Why did they put eyes on it and give it a name? I feel so, it looks so isolating, that little thing slamming on its brakes, trying to cross the road. Kids are punking it, poking at it, thinking it's a poor thing. Can't defend it. Five seconds, that's all I have left. What's happening to the pad tie inside of the bucket after it's been slamming on its brakes a hundred times? I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute, see? One minute and ten seconds. You ended up needing more time than you thought. I needed more time. I needed more time, it's because, because my other one was gonna be, why am I constantly getting logged out of my streaming services? Oh, oh, oh, no, don't. Why do I need a two step verification process? Oh, forget two step verification. What? I'm done, I can't even watch TV tonight, it's over. I don't remember who I am. No, or my passcode for that. But I remember five, six, two, seven, one, eight. What's that? That's my one time passcode for box.com. It's too much. You didn't mention the biggest threat to humanity in the Valley area though, and I'm saying it. Tell me. Waymo. No. Have you written in a waymo? I refuse, because our best friend Jared got in a waymo to go to a bar, and a bunch of our friends were at the bar, and they're like, oh, look, there's Jared in a waymo. And then Jared got stuck, the waymo got stuck in an intersection, and the light changed from red to green, and literally traffic was going around him, the waymo didn't know how to figure it out. So he got into the car and went into the high tops, Los Feliz, and they were like, you, that waymo tried to kill you. Yes. I'm not into the waymo. I'm not into all this. I want some human contact. I want the human experience. It's too much robot. First of all, thank you for that. Second of all, you do not, Hillary Duff, have to feel any empathy for the robot feeling anxiety. Don't worry, but that is because they've manipulated us into feeling that way because of these eyes, and one person takes a photo of one of these. They give them names. They named one after Maria. They named it after me, but there's one named Boen driving around West Hollywood. I go, should I sue? Should I sell? This is infringement. This is infringement on my name. No, I don't know. My name is not my own, but isn't that weird though? They want you to feel like, oh, it's Wally. It's Wally. It's Wally, and now I'm having all kinds of feelings. But you don't have them. But don't. But here's the thing, does a little part of you think. It's cute. It's a little cute, but it's just a slamming on the brakes that make me really sad. I don't like it at all. And also, I don't think I've ever had, can you choose if your delivery is being brought by? Or like a real person? You don't think you can choose? I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey, you can pick. But I want the autonomy here. And I can't with the Waymo's, because they are, I don't get how that happened. You guys saw the Jimmy Kimmel's, and when in the Waymo, and they filmed it, tell me you saw that. No. Oh my gosh, it's so funny. She's screaming at the top of her lungs. And she's calling her daughter who's like the producer with Kimmel or whatever. She's like, I'm in the car and there's not a driver. And she's like losing her mind, it's so funny. And she's like grabbing the thing and the steering wheel is like turning. And she's like, what, I sent the car for you. And she's like, I'm telling you, I'm in the car, you sent, and there's no driver. Yep, I only want to be in a self-driving car if it's at Disney's California Adventure. I know, and we're like. And Radiator Springs Racers. Oh, I lied to my kid and said that, they slowed the, I know. Yeah, but you have to do that. They slowed it down. You gotta. No, you have to be the parent that's like, we're getting on this. Yeah, I know. You should see what kind of a fight it turns into sometimes. Oh, I meant, I'm not that person, but I am right now. Get the fuck on the phone. I know, like, and that's a thing. No, expensive Disneyland is, get. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're doing this today. Are they all four of them interested in doing the rides? No, and I scarred Luca so bad, we had like a pretty big arm wrestle to get him on, Scream in California or what? So, I guess they call it Incredicoster. No, Incredicoster, yeah. And he wouldn't do it, he wouldn't do it. And he's like scarred for life that I like pressured him. Did he get on it eventually? Oh, yeah, eventually, not with me. And he didn't have fun? Not with me, with like his cousins. And I was like, I'm glad you had that experience, but we were here three months ago. I wanted that experience. When my dad took us to Universal in Orlando, like when I was young, like 10, and I had been talking about the Incredible Hulk roller coaster for like a year, like I can't wait to do it. You get there and I'm start sobbing and he goes, no. And he's like, we're not doing this. Cause then we're gonna leave and you're gonna talk the whole time about how you didn't do it. Dragged me on it. Dragged me on it. The things that those people have seen. Seen. Yeah. Oh, the ride operators? Oh, yeah. Forget it. It was like Disney World for Christmas. And it was so much fun. And Banks actually got on a few of the little coasters, like the Slinky Dog. Oh, we love the Slinky Dog. So fun. Oh, we love the Slinky Dog. She was so proud of herself. We love the Slinky Dog. But we do like, you know, it's a small world, like 15 times. Yeah, well, you know, there's a lot to see. A lot of those little guys in there, you gotta say hello to. I wanna apologize to everybody for being pro New York humidity. Oh no. Great for the skin. It's unbelievable for the skin. But to think of you sobbing is really tough for me. I think it's one of those things that makes you stronger. Oh, yeah. You're like, I, living in the city is hard. So hard. It is not for the faint. No, it's not for the faint. But it's, gives you that. It gives you that thing. That grit, that appreciation. It grows you. Kelsey Peters grew in the city. She did. She did. Do you think that Kelsey Peters is like? I think she works for Janet Bush Hager now. Oh, I think she's part of- I'm loving this backstory. Let's create it now. Did you know that Jenna Bush was my camp counselor at- What? Stop it. Texas. Texas. She was your camp counselor? We love her. Love her too. She's literally 10 out of 10 A plus. Yeah, she's awesome. Oh my God, I'm just gonna text her afterwards. We've been on her show singing our camp song. Oh, that's so cute. She does get a camp counselor. For Jenna. No, she doesn't work for her. She's at Jenna's imprint or something, or she helps with just publishing. She's like head bed. She books the open book podcast with Jenna Bush Hager. She is influential in the read with Jenna selections. Okay, I love this. Yeah, that's what it was. So Kelsey for me doesn't, I don't think there's a lot of personal growth that's able to happen there. But in the workforce, she's a beast, cannot be stopped. She's going straight to the top. But the personal growth is a real tough thing for her. Yeah, she's got a high pressure job. Yeah. Before we let you go, I'm told you can't leave without, did you play a Russian, John Cusack directed a film. Yes. And you played, what was the character you played? She was a, I don't wanna get this wrong. She was a Bulgarian pop star. Huge. He didn't direct. Oh, did he write it? He wrote it. Okay, cool. He wrote it, started it. There was a lot of people in that, like Sir Ben Kingsley was in that. Yes, it was one of those things where it was like an all-star. Joan was in that. Uh-huh, family, family game. Yeah, and I had to put a scorpion down my pants in that movie. Horrific. It was a big growing up moment. We're looking for something with Edge. Scorpion down the pants. Yeah, there's definitely parts of my career where I'm like, she was really trying for something and maybe she should have stayed home. Yeah, but look where we ended up. Look where we ended up. 100%, I'm thrilled. The ride has been incredible. Here at Lost Coach today. Two nights at the garden and the rest of the world. Look or something, but it's so much more than that. It's, you're such a star in every single way. We're so happy that you came in. Like we were just psyched for you. Well, I was looking forward to this for months and months. Oh my God. Thank you for having me. You guys are an absolute dream. Do you remember when we met at Vulture Fest? So do you remember? I remember, no, we were so excited. We were doing the interviews at Vulture Fest when you guys came through for younger. We were in like matching suits. And you guys came in and you were the only celebrity that gave us a hug. The entire day. So thank you for that. I was like, I wonder if she'll ever remember that that was us. Wait, I was the only one that gave you a hug. Everyone was nice, but you were the only one who just gave us a hug. I mean, everyone was great. And like Sutton was great. Like everybody on the younger house was great, but... Was it all of us? I think it was us too. It was, I think it was Nico, it was you, it was Sutton. We were so excited to... Molly, one of my best ones. Maybe Debbie Mazer was there as well. Yeah, I was. I just watched Beethoven with my kids. It was so fun. It was so, so, so fun. It was actually Matt's call. And he did all six of them. I was like, you're a better parent than me. Cause after one and two, they are... There's six of them? They become sequels. They're really, really best. So nice. But one and two, amazing, and Debbie steals every single scene. Like she's such a badass. She's a legend. I'd hope for it. She's the best. Yeah. Love that you're such a younger stan. Oh no, love. And also it has a... I'm just saying, like it's gotten lost in the press tour. I know. And we needed a moment. But it had its moment once it like got on Netflix and then people, like so many more people got eyes on it. Totally. Oh yeah. She's doing all right. Oh, she's doing great. But you get to see your residuals checks now and be like, yes, it's on Netflix. I don't think so, but... Really? I'm horrible with that stuff. Call your lawyer. Any. We love you. Thank you so much for coming and doing this. Thank you so much for having me. We end every... And now you're gonna go do hot ones. Oh my God. We'll have to check in with you later. We end every episode with a song. Oh, I think we have to shout the classic. Let's go back back to the beginning back to when the earth, the sun, the stars all aligned. And for the rest of that, we'll see you at Madison Square Garden on August. One of those days. Nip and sick. Nip and sick. Bye. Comfort both. Comfort both. Yeah. Lost Cultures is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and I Heart Radio Podcast. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bo and Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosnie and produced by Beccaramo. Edited and mixed by Doug Bame. And our music is by Henry Komorsky. No gloss, no filter. Just stories. Spoken without fear. A person who is not generous cannot be an artist. The world will be at peace only when it is ruled by poets and philosophers. 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