Club Cooke: Wednesday, May 13th, 2026

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You all should be. Bitches better be. Yes, thank you. Welcome to the show, Turtle Follay. Thank you, Turtle Follay. Sister of Turtle. In honor of a lifetime, having been the sister of Turtle Follay. I don't play word all I play. I play turtle. And turtle. Oh, my God. I have to tell you the funniest thing. So yesterday I was in the park. And you know me, a major celebrity. I ran into so many toasters, taken pictures. Then I'm walking home. And I see this girl on the street. And she got so flustered. She meant to say, oh, my God, I'm a toaster. And she was like, oh, my God, I'm a turd. And I was like, same. That's good. Like, just like the good guys have the morons. We have the turds. We have the turds. That will never not shock me when I see Ben talking to morons. I'm like, that's rude. It always takes me a minute to be like, oh, that's their fan base. The first time it happened, we were at Corner Store. And we leave. And this guy's like, girl, actually, she's like, oh, my God, I'm a moron. And I said, OK. Don't be so hard on yourself. Yeah. Lift yourself up. Love thyself. Love thynator. And Ben was like, no way. And I was like, what is going on here? It was very jarring, a manipulation of language. But yes, they do call their fans the morons, which I think is so funny. And kind of perfect. Agreed. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Hit the nail on the head with that one. I'm kidding. We're collaborating with them this weekend. So we have to keep things super cordial. Yeah, we do have lots of things coming up with the good guys. Yikes. Yeah, on Saturday, dear media. By night, I'd take out your tickets, but it's sold out. Sorry. Oh, yeah. We're doing a live show. I need to find an outfit, and I need to stop eating. Like, I'm going to be on stage. I can't. Yeah. No, it's going to be fun. If you're there and you're taking pictures from the stage, just lift your cameras up. I think that we should. Tilt them down. Face to them. No, I think it should be a comedy show where we confiscate people's phones. So they can't take unflattering photos of us. I love that. I think that feels right. I'll talk to dear media about it. Yeah. And that just creates mystique. I mean, we're just insecure. Yeah, you have to buy tickets to be there. We're so cool. No, we're just insecure. It's a little bit of both. Yeah, we are definitely cool, though. Definitely. Number two on the Apple charts yesterday. Oh my gosh. Thanks, Wes Wilson. I'm glad that people are finally seeing the beauty of the show. Like, I feel. You don't feel like they've seen. They had known. They've been known. Well, I know our listeners have, but we've obviously gone mass market recently. And the beauty and the range of what we do here is finally being spotlighted in a mainstream capacity. And it feels great. Obviously, I miss when we were just like a little Instagram show and like, but it was time. You know, it was time for everyone to really see what goes on here in a meaningful way. The true beauty. Yeah. Obviously, I feel vindicated. I feel seen and it's great. I didn't know that was happening. If you say it, it will be. So I'm obviously just the same girl, you know, that I was. And I promise, like, I won't forget about you guys. At number two on the Apple charts, you're the same girl that you were at number three and the Apple charts. I'm definitely a little bit more insufferable, but overall, like, we are the same. Yes. OK, that's good. That's good to know you haven't changed. Never. Some people let fame change them, but for me. No. Yeah, you are always like this. Did you watch Summer House? I did. And I watched last week's too. So my recap will sort of span both episodes as I don't know which episode is which. I saw the funniest video on TikTok today that I have not stopped thinking about. OK. Because you know, Jesse Solomon's on tour, which I got to catch a show. Sing in my favorite song, Guess I'll Stop. And actually, somebody's posted a video that the girl in front of them actually painted. Sorry, it's not funny. At the Jesse Solomon live show. And you know artists who are so performative, like, wait, there's a girl in the front row who needs water. And they have to stop the show just so they don't get, like, Travis Scottified. Well, Jesse Solomon's taking a page actually out of Travis Scott's book and he didn't give a fuck. Like, I don't even think he saw. And he's like, sing with the crowd. He's like, you sing. No. And I feel like the video tried to make him look bad. Like, someone fainted at the Jesse Solomon show. And like, he didn't even stop the show. And that's just not how I saw the video. You know? Because first of all. Oh, I would love to know how you saw the video. First of all, I don't think Jesse Solomon knew what was going on. Honestly, there's just a group of girls standing around being dramatic at his show. Like, that probably happens every night. And I'm sure actually he was like, turn that racket down. I'm trying to sing up here. Like, why are you guys having this? And it was during his big hit. Like, why are you having a pow wow in the middle of my concert? Why would he know that someone fainted? Because, because a Jesse Solomon show at the Troubadour isn't really where one would think it would be a destination for fainting. You know? I don't know. I could see myself being so overcome at the Jesse Solomon Troubadour show. I actually could see myself sort of getting weak at the knees. Yes, perhaps, because he is a modern day Elvis Presley. But I just wonder what the circumstances were. Because sometimes people think that concerts, you know, they're on drugs. Or it's very hot. I didn't think that this person was on drugs. Or it's a mosh pit. No, no, no. Those, like, Jesse Solomon concerts don't go so hard. So obviously the person who was suffering had their own things going on. La Blood Sugar. She had La Blood Sugar, obviously. Yes. So it's just, you know, it's not what you would think is happening at the Jesse Solomon show at the Troubadour. Absolutely. You don't think she's rolling for the Jesse Solomon show? Maybe the Molly hit her sideways. Guess I'll start falling. Period. Yeah. Seriously funny stuff. I also feel we'll get into the recap. But I do think that part of the fight last night was like largely Jesse Solomon's fault. And nobody was pointing the finger at him. Why would he do? Like literally he's gassing up. They kept doing flashbacks like the wedge between Carl and Kyle all summer. And every time someone was telling Kyle like something Carl's upset about, it was Jesse. And they just was really upset you didn't invest. Jesse was really upset you didn't say anything about his brother. Jesse wrote out a whole email. Not Jesse, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm like what? Carl. Carl was upset about that you didn't say invest in La Bar. Carl was upset that you didn't say anything about his brother. Carl would have wrote a whole email because he was upset. But then he did. He literally was like starting stuff between the two of them the whole season. I just want to say I blame Jesse Solomon for last night. Oh no, I fully blame Lindsay Hubbard period. Trying to hold a marriage counseling session in front of the whole house after a day of day drinking. Just a little bit about me. I would never blame Lindsay Hubbard for anything. It doesn't change how I feel about Lindsay Hubbard. She's creating television. She's doing her job. But if I'm just evaluating the situation, why was she pushing that conversation so hard? And having a very hard time understanding the term management does not mean residency. Yeah, the residency. Maybe the residency is the friends we made along the way. He signed with management. No, I actually really appreciated Ben because he was the only one who could have a cohesive thought. But he was just saying because I'm with the management, I'm going to be playing bigger, better shows. I actually will have to travel less. I have one big show in Vegas. Everyone's like, he's doing a residency in Vegas. And he didn't tell his wife. What part of that was residency? So I assume our fifth and final story will be a summer house recap when we get into all. We have like five little stories and then a separate summer house recap. I'm OK with that. So we will save all of our thoughts and feelings for. Lot of thoughts. Oh my god, last night I was actually wheezing in bed because I found the funniest Twitter account called Justice for Kyle Cook. And it's quite literally authored by Kyle Cook. No, it's literally like the club shallower version of the Kyle Cook fandom where it's like deranged takes from Kyle Cook's number one fan. And talking about the alleged rumor that I've never heard that Kyle Cook is hugging a horse. And that was like, I've never seen you laugh so hard. I couldn't even speak. And it was so stupid. The girl obviously hates Amanda. She actually has accused her of trying to gong girl Kyle a years long gong girl process that she almost got away with if she had just gotten divorced and not fucked it all up because she would have been Kyle's victim. And of course, she club shallow. Bravo loves a victim. Club shallow thinks that that would be so not the truth. Club Cook. Club Cook. She keeps calling her Amanda Buttula. Like, and then she called her Amanda Butte. She keeps. This is stupid. This is stupid. That's funny. Who is this deranged individual? I was crying laughing. Oh, who's the deranged individual? Her name is Kyle Cook. Kyle. Kylie Cook. Kylie. Oh, Kylie on therapist. Kylie on therapist. Set your alarms noon today. Might have to move my mage game. Literally. I just want to say, like, I love Kylie. I'm sorry. I mean, Kylie on platypus. Platypus as David Bortnoy lovingly calls him. That's such a fucking slay. No, I can't wait. And he gets amazing guests. And like every guest he has, I'm like, oh, that's going to be a great episode. I'm never like pulled. It takes a lot for me to listen to someone's podcast considering we podcast all day. I'm a mother of three. It just I've cleared my schedule for this. And you know, she doesn't do podcast. But she's dabbling. She just did that Kid Cudi one. Yeah. Yeah. And so whatever podcast she goes on, like is going to get listened to. She doesn't need the platform. She brings the platform. So she's just choosing shows she wants to go on. And the conversation she wants to have. Because like the Kid Cudi one, I saw some clips and stuff. But like it's not super swirly. Like the Jake Shane is going to have a swirly conversation, which is the you know, it's like when Kim goes on those random podcasts to talk about like women's health or something, like that's that's not what I'm clicking into or like criminal justice. But if she went on, I guess she did go and call her daddy. And I don't think I listened. But you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe I'm just she's not Kylie right now. Such a flattering choice for I'm sure Jake Shane was just like flattered because like she chose. She's not promoting anything. He's the chosen one. It's a really big deal. I wonder if no, you know what? Like I just love that. I can't wait to watch. Also, speaking of like not promoting anything but going on podcasts, like I actually am starting to like believe the rumors about you that like you're promoting something because I I organically saw you on a podcast. I didn't even know you were like I knew you did two podcasts because like Amanda Hersh is your friend and Susie Weiss launched a podcast. So like, OK, it was like, you know, when it rains it pours, you just happened. It was a coincidence. But then they just saw you on a third podcast. Yeah. And I feel like I really haven't made a big deal of the fact that I am one of the new faces of Dulkalax and their new Daily Gut Support Gummys. This is not sponsored. I mean, I am sponsored, but this episode is not. And I just feel like, yeah, being the face of a major, major brand. I have to do press. Sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. Like I'm genuinely sorry. But that's what happens when you're like a major mover and shaker. It's like Alex Orles just sports illustrated what you are to Dulkalax. Like going on a press tour. It's a good analogy, except that obviously like my cultural impact is much larger. But yeah, if you wanted to. Like one of one. Actually, I'm a Dulkalax face as well. Yeah, but your your campaign like hasn't started yet. So like right now I'm the face. Oh my God, I wonder if I'm going on podcasts. You probably are. And I just want to say, like, get ready. The life of being like a brand spokesperson. It's not easy. Obviously, I make it look easy. People look at me and they say, oh my God. When I was watching those clips, I was like, wow, she's having an easy time. And it's when, you know, I was sweating so much in that clip. Like I I make it look easy. And that's what I feel like is my responsibility as like one of the world's hardest jobs, like I'm a podcaster and content creator. You try doing it for a day. I literally just got off of work and it's 519. Try being an influencer for a day. Try it. Like when you go on other podcasts, like what do you like to talk about? What do you like? When do you feel like when do you feel like you're in your flow state? I mean, obviously, to itself, like. But like what fasted up your life? Do you like when people talk about pop culture with you? Hate. Yeah. And that's my personal life as well. If I see you in person, don't try to ask me about last night's episode of Summer House. Oh my God. If I see you in person, don't be like, wait, tell me what's going on with Western America. Oh, if it's you in person and you asked me for an explanation. I'm off the clock. I charge like three thousand dollars an hour. So I hate when people ask me about pop culture. And what sucks is like my friend group, like the reason why they are my friends is like they love pop culture and they love bravo. So whenever we get together, like that's what we do. And it's not my favorite topic of conversation, but I'm not going to bring like my baggage to the table. I'll just partake in the conversation and shut up. I didn't even tell you what I did yesterday. I played in a charity match on tournament. It wasn't a tournament. It was just like just a minute. So how did it work? I saw that you did that, but like, was it around Robin? Was there a winner? No, no. So you had to sign up as a table, like a foursome. So it was just like a fun, social way to like friend losers need not apply. Correct. So you wouldn't have been. Wow. I'm kidding. I can't call me friendless. You can't stick me with that. I'm kidding. I'm absolutely kidding. I have a lot of friends. I feel like I'm on a zinger. You have about 60, right? I have a lot of great girlfriends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I heard they're all buying you a Gucci purse for your birthday. They like that they would because they love you so much. Yeah. So it was really. But I wouldn't want it. I wouldn't want it. I take match on like so seriously and like I play competitively. And this was very much like a social affair. Well, it was nice to see everyone. I just wanted the game to like move quicker and everyone was like stopping for lunch and like chatting with friends and was like, can you just stop eating and play? So then I did get a game together last night after bedtime because I hadn't gotten my fix and I did get my fix. Oh, good. I'm playing today. So am I. And tomorrow. Like the way I've neglected my job, my children, my dog, my husband, since I became like a full blown Majang addict. I don't even think it's necessarily a bad thing because I'm just like stimulating my mind and, you know, building friendships that'll last a lifetime. Yeah. But I definitely do feel like the business is suffering. My family is suffering. Like when I get off my phone, like seriously, like so much going on, like emails, not it, like it's insane, but like I don't care. Well, on the days that I don't play, so I probably play like in a two hour window when it's like relatively quiet around here. So I try and think of like what I'm doing that I that I'm not doing. So I say the things that suffer on the days that I'm Maj, like probably home cooked dinner because whatever I didn't do in those two hours, I'm doing in the following two hours, you know. And to be clear, I'm 100 percent kidding. I actually slay. I go two and a half hours during nap time and it's like actually perfect. And like I'm probably behind on some ads, you know, probably got some content to shoot. My house isn't as clean as I would like it to be, but that's OK. Like I've missed out on probably 30 minutes of puttering around and putting away a laundry. I love puttering, though. I'm always puttering, walking back and forth and back and forth and like moving things and then like, oh, I have to bring that. I'm like scooping, scooping things like everything I used to go to the kitchen. Come with me. Like little pile here and then distributing the pile to the various rooms. So some of that time is lost. And you know what? I'm happy to lose it. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, let's get into the stories because we haven't even yet and we have a summer house recap and we have to launch. So of course, of course, further. A do to do to do. Here are the past five stories that you do need to know. And the past five stories that you need to know are brought to you by Got to be. Lock your look in with the travel friendly Got to be Wackstick. 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We're talking about an informal capacity. Alex Earl Dodge is a question about Alex Cooper feud live on the stage show. So Alex Earl is on a press tour right now for her one of four sports illustrated covers. And on the Today Show yesterday, Craig Melvin was feeling brave. I just want to say Craig. Thank you. Um, no, that was wild from Craig because you could, let me tell you about the exchange, but you could tell that she did not know that he was going to ask this. And she was not happy. So I also feel like he didn't really know what he was talking about. He was just like, he knew he had to ask this question. He wouldn't have asked the question because like he would know that it's like, you know, she doesn't want to talk about it today. So they probably just told him to do it and he didn't know it was a big deal. He couldn't even say, and I actually found it quite misogynistic. Like Craig, who like he couldn't even say Alex Cooper's name. Like they definitely had like an agreement for her to go on that you could not ask about Alex Cooper. So then like the producers probably wrote him this question in a roundabout way. That's what I don't think it was out of disrespect. I think it was like, it was giving misogyny. It's like, it was giving Alex Cooper is a no go. Got it. The words. So this is what Craig said. There's been this back and forth between you and another internet personality, a podcaster as well. And there seems to be a bit of online beef there. What's actually happening? What's really going on? So boomer, like so boomer of all the places we're all waiting for. We're like, is it going to be TikTok? Is it going to be GetReality? Is it going to be Netflix? It ain't going to be the today show, first of all. So I respect Craig's delusional hustle. I didn't expect much. I actually don't even think I think they set Craig up the producers because nobody who knew who knows anything about the situation would have asked the question on her big day. And this was a response. You could tell she was pissed. She said, you know, well, I'm trying to keep things pretty positive today. We don't actually have that much time here, honestly. And also it's like, why ruin such a good day with something not so great? Let's keep the positive vibes going. And Craig could not be deterred. He kept going. He hit her with the follow up. He asked if there was legitimate contentiousness and if or if the beef had been exaggerated and then she like sarcastically said, no, it's exaggerated. I love everyone. And then Craig said, Craig said he wasn't buying it. He's, he's a smart cookie. Oh my God. Craig is like so crazy. Yeah. I actually don't think that he like knew that much about the situation because if he did, he would never, he looks so silly. He kind of looks like crazy. I know, but how do you have Alex Earl on right now and not ask about it? But I am sure that her team said you cannot talk about it. So this is, was their solution to today's show. And I'm sure she's pissed about it. Yeah. It's just funny that like the state shows like always running out of time. They're cutting people off. They're cutting to commercial. But meanwhile they had time for this to follow ups. Yeah. I understand all parties here, but I like, I don't know how she could expect to not be asked about it. Like two weeks after the biggest news in the country. Um, but I'm sure her PR team was like, we're not coming on if you're going to ask about it. So they said we won't ask about it. And then they crossed her. I actually don't feel like she had a choice as to whether or not she could go on the show because like all the four today cover stars went on the today show. And like, it's just a prerequisite that you have to do the press associated. So I'm sure they said, like, you know, friendly publicist says, like, Hey, let's not go here. And I honestly wouldn't have expected that they would have like, but they did. Yeah. Also, did you see Dave's latest tea by the sea talking about, um, how he isn't thrilled with how Alex has handled this so far? Sort of like, I did.哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 Can you just say it? It's like getting annoying. Yeah, I think that, and Dave said this, he was like, I'm not like, in my world, like if you start a fight with someone, like you better come correct, you better say it with your whole chest, like Mimi in the parking lot. And so her like, you know, just like throwing these like darts and like running away is not like the school that he comes from. And not for me either. Like, and I've said that, like the way that she's handling it is so, I guess, Gen Z, like it's just every move is just not what I would expect, but I do think it's working for her. I don't know if it's because the moves are good or just she has so much good will that it doesn't matter what she does. That's what it is. But it is, it is working. It's not my style of feuding. Yeah. And I guess it's not Alex Cooper's either because she was sort of like a, let's, you know, let's confront one another. Yeah. And I think that Alex Cooper, no one will give her the credit cause we're just like the internet's in an I hate Alex Cooper mode. But she did sort of like shut the whole thing down. She like posted this sort of aggressive video wanting a response and she didn't get one. And like, if you were to look at it more, and I'm not, I'm not looking at it more unbiased, but if you were, it does look like Alex early sort of ran scared. Now I know everyone's saying like, she's going to put it on her show. And it's like, maybe she will, but like for now, can you just tell us? Also like, as long as she doesn't say what happened, like, you know, Alex Cooper remains unchallenged. Yeah. And, you know, for a minute there, I felt like there was a singing ship over there, but I don't know. With Alex Cooper. With Alex Cooper, but like she's still doing her podcast. Like the more time goes by, the more people like move on from it. I feel like she's sort of like dip, dock, dodge, dodge, Absolutely. Dive from this. And she's like, and she's staying afloat. And this is not going to take her down. And so now whatever comes out on Netflix. And this big mysterious Vanity Fair article, which like hasn't come out yet. Right. Which, so until those things happen, like she's afloat and I do think the more that time goes on, the less power those things have. That's what I think. I agree. And I think now with like the perspective of hindsight, even people who were like eating it up at the time, like she did eat the fuck out of brown chicken fry. Like I'm sorry. She literally ate her up, chewed her up and spit her the fuck out. Yeah. So at the time everybody was like, it's weird that she said any of the messages, but now like, now let's all take a look back. Like, no, like brown chicken fry inserted herself right in the middle of it. And Alex Cooper is like, what are you talking about? We have this actually quite long history of me being lovely and gracious to you. What is this? And if I'm chicken fry, I'm mad at my friend Earl for leaving me out to dry. Absolutely. Because she looks stupid. Yeah, but she shouldn't have put herself in the middle of it anyway. I think she probably did that without Alex Earl's permission. So now it's like, I don't have to come rescue you. You put yourself here. Yeah. Yeah. What else was Dave saying? I forget, but he also said that he wanted to go on platypus to promote his book, but Jake Shane wouldn't have him on. Like he said, we need to find that was at the end. That's when he started. I don't think he has like beef necessarily with Jake Shane, but he was saying like, Jake Shane, so brand safe. I don't know how Jake Shane got involved in this. And then. And also I don't think Jake Shane is brand safe. Like Claudia, he is. Yeah, but brand safe implies like boring and like bad takes. No, like you can be brand safe and be cool. Like some people can do it. It's very hard. Cause I feel like brand safe quickly becomes like not entertaining. Yeah, but they're like brand safe can also just be like, great hasn't had controversy yet. Everybody loves them popular and also talented. It could be talented. It doesn't necessarily mean un-talented. But like Jake Shane does have, I mean, sorry. I'm just, let me acknowledge my bias too. Like I'll defend Jake Shane till I die, but he doesn't have like controversy. The little things. It's something. They have not bubbled up to the surface. No, not real. Any meaningful way. Not real. Yeah. So I guess, yeah, Dave wanted to go on. Like, or his team was putting out podcast for when his book comes out and he was like, what one said he'll go on and he, I guess, was interested in Jake Shane and then Jake Shane didn't like want to do it. Well, I'm, I don't know if Jake Shane's refusal of Dave Portnoy has anything to do with Dave being too, like radioactive or Alex Oral. But Dave Portnoy and Alex Oral are fine. And he has not taken. Yeah, according to Dave. No, but he has not taken a position in some breaths. He's critical of Earl and in some breath, he's critical of Cooper. I feel like he's really played the fence and played it well while still been very interesting commentator. Yes, but he is Alex Cooper's like friend, mentor, confidant, whatever. So like, yeah, he's not going to go on it on, he's not going to go on Jake's podcast. Like, yeah, no, I understand. I could see Jake declining it, like in defense of Alex Oral. Even though yeah, he hasn't done anything. I don't think Alex Oral loves Dave Portnoy, to be honest. I think they're fine. I don't think he said anything that he wouldn't be able to look her in the eye. No, for sure. But like when you're coming up with that conclusion, like based on what Dave says, like, Dave's like, we're great. Yeah, she comes to Bart'sville again. But even in when he's talking about the situation, I've not heard anything like unkind. I think Alex Oral. He keeps saying like she's the girl's girl and everybody loves like positive things about her. I don't know. I don't think it's become negative. No, but I think Alex Oral hates Dave Portnoy. And I also think like Alex Oral sad probably hates Dave Portnoy. Really? Yeah, just a feeling, just a feeling. Interesting. Well, I wonder what podcasts he will go on for his book. I want to read his book. Cancel me. Cancel me if you kind of it's the story of Barstool. And it's a great title. It's a great title, but I don't know if I'm going to read it. I think I will. I can barely pick up Strangers Belburden. I know. I think we'll be funny. Yeah, no, I'm sure it'll be interesting, but like I just don't know if I'm personally going to read it. I think I'm going to give it a shot. There was something else coming out that I want to read. Are you going to read Lena Dunham's book? You know what? I really want to. I know. She's really doing the most. I'm really like all this like propaganda. It's working on me. I'm sorry not to forget. It's working on me. I was talking about that. I'm not skinny, but not fat. But like I think that if I were to be able to take off my I hate Lena Dunham goggles, I'd probably be her number one fan. And like I would be defending her like I defend like lively, like for real. Because the thing is like so much of the Lena Dunham forest hate is forced. It's cause she's fat. Like sorry, like people hate fat people. So like they, it's like she gets more hate for the things that people hate her for. It's like outsized. I believe it's largely rooted in fat phobia, not to be like so woke, but it's true. I personally don't care that she's fat. I hate that. People loved her for a really long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They did. But like, you know, you can only tolerate society. Only tolerate fatty for so long. She's expired. Apps are fucking Lutely. Okay. Now my hate of her obviously has nothing to do with her weight cause I would never, it's more so just to do with like her insights. But I, I do sort of want to read the book. She's, I'm very complicated. It's like, I've complicated feelings. Yeah. Like an amazing song. Like, I guess I have to listen to it, you know. Yeah, of course. So I'm just like afraid that like a book is so personal. Like Ben Platt can release a song and I'll listen to it and I'll still hate Ben Platt, but I'll love the song. If you read someone's book, that's like their insights. You have, if you love the book, you love the person. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm afraid to start loving. I really am loving Lena. I don't know if I can do it. I feel like you could. I have to find that. You know, sometimes you have your guilty pleasure. Yeah. Like I think she might be guilty pleasure. Honestly. That's fine. Don't like, don't deny yourself. I don't know if she's my guilty pleasure cause I don't even let myself be curious. Like I don't even let myself go there. Don't deny yourself. You know, cause who are you hurting? She doesn't care. You're hurting yourself. Postpartum, like one of the shows we started was Girls, Ben had never seen it. And like I obviously watched it once when it was out and people talk about it prolifically. Like it's the sex in the city and like it kind of is. To a point. Of course. It's like, it's Brooklyn's sex in the city. No, maybe to like the end of the second season, but then it got really bad. And it's like indie and it's not like, it's not fabulous at all. Like the apartments are dirty and the clothes are ugly. Like it's not like to sit in the city like that. A ratty shirt. With holes in it, like 100%. And it's like, it's television, you know? And it's like, I sure wear a shirt with holes in it. I don't care what you wear to sleep. But like I'm watching television. Even Jessa, who is like the quintessential like fabulous character. Like she's the one with, you know, worldly wisdom and travel and clothes. Like it's all just like gray. Like, yeah. And it's like, if Jess is the fabulous character, that explains why I don't like the show. Yeah. Cause that's like not my idea of fabulous. I just want to warn everyone that I'm definitely like dangerously close to entering my way to understand it. I mean, I give you my support. Okay. You know what that actually really helps. Cause I do feel like fear of judgment from you. Like it's just not so serious. Like picking up the book. You know what I mean? Be curious. It's also good to like, like just engage with things. Even if you wind up not liking it, it's just good to like engage with things. Not everything has to be like so, you know, an echo chamber. You're right. You're right. Okay. So now I have two books to read. Oh, great. I don't think you're going to read strangers about this. I am. Okay. I am. Okay. It's okay if you don't. There's just like a lot going on. I gave my recap to the redhead. So like I have closed that chapter of covers. I want to like, I have a desire. And it's just been like a lot going on with pop culture that like when I get into bed at night, like I have to watch stuff. So I can talk about them toast. I know. Also, my nights are not mine anymore. Have you heard about this Tradwife book? Yes, sir. Sounds familiar. Yeah. Rebecca chose it for next month for the redheads, which is like good cause it's buzzy and everyone's talking about it. But I know I'm going to hate it. We talked about it in the episode. Yeah. Cause it's like the Tradwife life is not the life that you think it is. And it's like making fun of influencers and like Tradwifes and like ballerina. It's like definitely anti-ballerina farm. Basically it's like a Tradwife influencer like wakes up in 1885 and actually has to live the life. Oh God. Yeah. Obviously she's like glamorized like a horrible thing. She's cause playing. Like I could throw up. Yeah. And like from the reviews I've read, like it's very like, you know, anti and like makes a mockery. So check us out in the redheads, but also already Anne Hathaway. It's being turned into a movie and Anne Hathaway is playing the Tradwife. Oh my God. She is the new Daisy Edgar Jones. Like, oh, there's a book. Let's call Anne. Daisy's sort of been left in the dust. Well, these are like older characters. And like they're the two of them, one of them could play the younger version. The younger version. I love that. There's space for both. Yeah. Okay. Let's get into our next story. Cause again, like it's only story number two. I don't know. Like, so. Wow. That's really crazy. Olivia Jade launches her own beauty brand. So Olivia Jade has launched her brand called O Picola. O Picola. O Picola. Thank you. Salma. I only watch the videos without sound. So O Picola on May 12th, she debuted her hero product, the bronze and globe balm, which she has been teasing on social media for the past few days. She spoke to People Magazine exclusively saying, I'm just so nervous to put something out for the first time and I really want it to be perfect. She said that this product was roughly five years in the making. Five years ago, she started the process of building a brand in, with a manufacturer, I think in California. And it was just like not going well. And she like scrapped the whole project. And then after years of back and forth, she found a marketing factor in South Korea that she was able to work with. And she has like her dream products of a dual ended, little number. It's like a contour stick. Like a bronzing stick and a highlighting stick, but it's dual ended. Each one has two sides and there's three different shades. So, what I think about me is I'm an O.G. Olivia Jade fan. I used to watch her YouTube videos. I never turned on her in the college admission scandal. Like I've always been ride or fucking die. Like she just wanted to get an education. Like just sorry, I don't give a fuck, honestly. I just don't. And I will ride for her probably till the day like she and I both die. But actually I have nothing in common with her. She's one pound so young and has perfect skin. And so when I see her do her makeup tutorials, I'm like, oh, that's fun to watch. I'm not picking anything up because I need layers and layers and layers of foundation and concealer caked on. So I actually feel like this product is not for me because she's such like a sheer natural glam girlie, which is like what the young kids love now. And it's like, yeah, season love that when you're young. Yeah. Sorry, I need more. I need, you know, old lady makeup. Well, she did say her mother tried it and she loves the product. Once again, Lori Lachlan, like a perfect angel among us. No offense. Like you and I have more needs than Lori Lachlan. Like she has a perfect face. Like she went to jail and she still looks better than me. Like sorry. So yeah, while these are people I deeply love and admire, when it comes to actually following trends, I am watching the tutorials of like beat down ugly old ladies with wrinkly skin and like facial hair, not the Lachlan Jade family, unfortunately, but I love them and I'll purchase it because I'm a supporter. Yeah. It's a cute little product. She said, you know, throw it in your bag, just give a little spritz. By the way, does anyone ever do that? Like, or maybe I just like maybe my lifestyle right now. I'm not like touching up in the bathroom. Oh, I am. What do you mean? I leave the house and I come back. Oh no, my purse has a bronzer, a blush and a brush. And when do you redo it? So I do my makeup in the mornings and then I have like two hours before I actually leave the house where I'm like doing breakfast and like, you know, doing a lot of stuff. Then I get here, I touch up, but that's cause I'm on camera. And then if I'm out for the day, my purse, like in the bathroom, I do touch up bronzer and blush always. It like doesn't stay on my face. Powder. Both. Creamy. Powder, powder, bronzer, road, like creamy blush. I guess I could add a little more blush throughout the day. Bringing one of those road, it's called a pocket blush cause it's supposed to stay in your pocket. For lip and cheek touch up, it's kind of parched. I don't know. It doesn't appeal to me right now. Like to put on more makeup. I just sort of put it on the morning and you know what? Like that's crazy to me that you put it on the morning and that's it. But like what I need at four o'clock when I'm just like running around. No, no, I don't need to have four. I'm saying if I have stuff to do, like if I have front facing events. From a pile of stuff. Correct. Well, this is cute. Oh, Piccolo. Did she say why she called it that? Yes. Such a fucking slide. You know what it means? In like Italian or some shit. And like this is why my brand I need to find like it could never be called this right. It's called Pizzi. Oh, Dot Pizzi. It's giving like, no. Oh, Piccolo means Pizzi in like some language. It just means like you're fat and I'm skinny. Like that's basically what she said. And and the Oh Dot. Is there a dot? Yeah, it's Oh period, Piccolo. Is that just the Instagram username? Because they need it like everywhere on this article. Oh, Piccolo. I saw a video of her talking about that. It means petite. And it's like a little petite little makeup thing. Founder, Oh Piccolo. Oh, Dot Piccolo. Yeah, it's like very. Yeah, I saw a quiet style and page Lorenz like wearing it and it's like, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like perfect. But a quiet and page need makeup to Claudia. Not in the way that I do. Yeah, but also what's interesting is that she funded this herself. It's not like a big venture for Sephora. Yeah. So it's an interesting move for her considering I felt like she was retired, you know, she like. I know. And who would want to get back? Cause like the beauty space already the comments. It's overpriced. Cheap packaging looks like pixie. Like who the fuck would voluntarily like put themselves in this world like she doesn't have to. Yeah, she doesn't. I think she genuinely loves makeup. Like this is a true labor of love. And so like that's admirable, but like I can't imagine somebody wanting to get back into this game. Yeah. Yeah. She made it out with her life. It sort of is a surprising move. Like she doesn't need to work this hard, especially she's not being funded by like one of these real activist firms that does brands for people. Venture capital. Like why putting all your money into this? No clue. Well, are you ready for our next story? I am a dancing with the stars cast member has been revealed. So as reported, we have Mora, Rob, Sierra Miller, and now Savannah bananas, Jackson Olson. It's actually such a good cast. So the Savannah bananas are a minor league baseball team that go viral all the time for videos and dances that they do. They've like incorporated like a bunch of like dancing and choreography. I don't know if they ever play baseball. They do. They do. They're literally a traveling performer. But they're also like, yeah, the founders of the team, they mix standard baseball with additional entertainment, incorporating choreographed dance moves, sing-alongs, and even they have the most insane. Taking the field in stills. Yeah. And they have amazing like content that goes viral. And Jackson is like their number one dancer. But is he the one who did the back flip on TV and like broke his neck? Do you remember that? Oh, I remember that. I don't think I don't. I actually think it was him. Can we get a fact check on whether or not that was Jackson? Yeah. Because remember when we were talking about that, like that story pained me deeply. It was really hard. But in general, I don't follow the Savannah bananas, but sometimes they come up for me like I love what they do. I think it's like so joyful. It's so family friendly. It's joyful. People fucking love them. I actually saw the founder on a podcast. It was like an entrepreneurs podcast because this company is like worth close to a billion dollars. Like they crush. And they were like asking all these entrepreneur questions. He was like, who gives a fuck? Like I just he's like, he doesn't release raise the price of his tickets. It's always going to remain like this family friendly affordable. He doesn't care if they go get a billion dollar exit. He was like, I'm just having the time of my life. He was like this crazy guy wearing like a yellow blazer and yellow hat. Like it's really sweet. And I actually think it's an amazing casting for dancing with the stars. I think so too. It brings up family friendly energy, their dancers. Also, I think he would be a really good dancer. I think people will like him and his personality. Not that I know him, but like it just is a really good energy. And I think he'll go far and I'm excited. I want more people to know about Savannah bananas. And also I want to know more about myself. I only like passively see them sometimes. I can't believe you like have never been like that's something you would go to with your kids. But they're in Savannah. But they travel, right? Like they do shows like literally at stadium. So they play like the minor. I need to find the minor Florida team. I love that the minor leagues are getting their moment. They deserve it. They deserve it. Um. Also, they have a really large fan base. And I think that'll be good for votes and stuff. Yeah, no, I think it's great. Very cool. Me too. Out of the box thinking. Agreed. Are you ready for our fourth story? Is it our fourth story that's brought to you by Weight Watchers? Whether you're curious about affordable GLP one options or looking for smart nutrition guidance and a supportive community. Weight Watchers gives you the tools to stay on track and reach your weight loss goals. Because spring is not about starting over. It's about starting fresh with support that keeps up. So Weight Watchers has been around forever because it works and they're constantly evolving. Like now, obviously in the weight loss game, GLP ones are huge. 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It really, really hurts. And like the fact that he's the one that got away and like she's like bum that he's engaged, like it's not too late for them. I do want to say, I think the video is insanely inappropriate and beyond crazy thing to post when you yourself are in a long, like serious relationship with a former prime minister. And Josh Groban, who literally you haven't been with in 20 years is now engaged, like beyond inappropriate. But I just want to say, like you only post a video like this when you seriously don't give a fuck about the guy. Oh yeah. Oh no, this just confirms like these two are never getting back together. She does not care what he thinks of her. How embarrassing this is. Cause like if you actually held a candle for someone like you would not be here this way, like this is what you do when you actually don't give any fucks. Absolutely. Positively. This like this trope of her, him and the one that got away like does remind me of Taylor, Taylor Lautner and back to December, where like that's her one that got away, but it's like, I'm sorry. I just don't like you, you know? Yeah. It's a great analogy too, because both back to December and the one that got away are respectively each of those artists, like most devastating songs. Like it's funny that we're being so light about one of the saddest songs ever. The one that got away is like a true heart-wrencher. No, but it is, but it's like you're an amazing person and another life I would be your girl. I just don't like you ugly. You know, I can't, I can't love you. Like you are the one that got away. I let you get away because I don't like your ass. But back to December, was it? Same as back to December, like. No, back to December was like, I kind of like gave you no time of day and now when I look back on that, like that was wrong. For sure, but like if I can do it again, I would do it the same way because I don't like you. No, but she's saying in back to December, like she wants to go back to December so she can redo it, cause I think she actually realized like nevermind, I actually do like you. No, so she could dump him again. She wants to go. No way. Do you think the Lawtners are going to be a Taylor and Travis's wedding? Oh, yeah. One of my favorite games to play. He did the back flip. One of my favorite games to play, like who will be a Taylor and Travis's wedding? Cause also when she was on the Graham Norton show, she very much was like, it's a free for all. Everyone's invited, but I don't think that's true. And I think just because you were invited to the Ares tour, literally everyone was invited to the Ares tour. I don't think that's. But on stage at the Ares tour? Yeah. If you were at the 10, everyone's at the 10, but if you were on stage doing a back flip and you like literally almost broke your back for the Ares tour and you're in the music video, like I think you're invited and you're back to December. Well, that would mean that there, that would mean Florence Welsh, which I do feel like she would be there. Do you think Marcus Mumford? Sure. You know what? I wonder if it's on Polymarket. Like predictions. Phoebe Bridgers. Hold on. I wonder if it's on Polymarket. Like, who will. Gracie Abrams. Definitely. Sabrina. Oh, maybe she'll bring a new voice. Okay, wait here. Who will attend Taylor and Travis's wedding? Jack Antonoff, 94%. I feel like, yeah. Patrick and Brittany Mahomes are also up there. Selena Gomez, Sabrina Carpenter, all like 80%. Max Martin. Are people okay? Of course, in Shellbock. No way. They did. This is a co-worker. You invited your co-workers to your wedding. I invited you. Lana Del Rey. Alana Haim. That's mean. Blake Lively. I love that you can predict this step on Polymarket. Like seriously, finally putting my. My skills. So you could use. Polymarket. Also you can use code to download the new app. Toast, skip the wait list. Ooh, I love that. Okay, listen to this. Okay, I'm listening. I'm so glad you made time to see me. Oh, sorry. I didn't realize I was still reading this. I didn't realize we were doing a performance. How's life? Okay, tell me how's your family? Okay, let's get to the chorus. I haven't seen you in a while. Okay. See, this is it. This is it. So this is me swallowing my pride. I'm sorry for that night. And I go back to December all the time. It turns out freedom ain't nothing but missing you. Wish and I'd realized what I had when you were mine. I'd go back to December, turn around and make it all right. I'd go back to December all the time. Then at the end of the song, she says, I'd go back to December, turn around and make it all right. I'd go back to December, turn around and change my own mind. Yeah, right. But. Because in December, she said, I don't like you, but she wants to go back to December, change her own mind to say, actually, no, I do like you. No, I think it's like, I think that's classic. Like when you end things with someone, then you like look back and you're like, actually, it was good. Like I wish I could have just like liked it, you know? You know, the streets by the streets, of course, I mean the TikTok comment section. I've gotten some, some personal information and then I've seen it reflected in like other rumors that Taylor and Travis are actually getting married in Big Sky, Montana. I've seen that as well. And she was also just out and about recently, like today and yesterday wearing white and people are like, the wedding is imminent. It's like, why? People just think that cause she like wore white dress. No, seen Montana, now New York city, now the Hamptons of course, Rhode Island. I think they're, I think they're also putting out a lot of fake news and I think that they should. South of France, you know, the girl who was getting married June 13th and they moved or what? Like it's been going on for so long. I think they're putting out a lot of fake shit. They should have married at Arrowhead stadium. Yeah, they, I don't think maybe they won't even get married at any of these places. Right. And it'll be like a living wedding with just Scott, Andrea and Donna. And Jason. And Kylie, go birds. Women supporting women. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? A little more love news. Yeah. Because Sydney Sweeney has posted a loved up video of her and Scooter Braun on vacation. A montage. A montage, she made a little video montage of their week in Australia. Lots of kissing, dancing, beach going, hand holding. Oh, I didn't realize it was like a week recap of their trip. I just thought it was like a vlog. I thought it was like, at first I was like, oh, it's a vlog of like a lot of moments in their time together. But no, it's from their most recent trip to Australia. So this is just like one week of their life. Their romance is very much giving like one of my novels where it's like really handsome, but Iliadair who's obsessed with this girl. And she's just like a bombshell, but she's like just a normal girl. With a heart of gold. Yeah, no, it's giving like Megan Quinn, if you know, you know. She wants love and has found it. Yeah, no, it's like, it's kind of crazy. It's really become like the cutest romance. They're gonna get married. The cutest ship out in the sea right now. They're gonna get married. And I feel like she has a lot of business ventures that I feel are benefiting from her relationship too. You know what I mean? Because I feel like a lot of her career is like being a brand ambassador, launching all these companies, the bathwater thing. Like I feel like actually up until recently her career was kind of messy. Like she needs someone to come and sort out her. She needs a manager. Yeah, she needs a business manager. I think he is available. Yeah, and then she was like launching Siren. And it just felt like kind of all over the place. It's very disjointed. She needs someone to manage her affairs. And now it does feel like she's sort of getting her affairs in order. Yeah. Siren appears to be like a much more legitimate venture. I loved their pop up at stage coach. Like I feel like that has to be his influence and involvement. Yeah, and I do think this season of Sephoria, that was filmed like probably almost a year ago at this point, is sort of like getting in the way because her character, I'm seeing so many clips of her character. She's really wild now. She really is like the main character of this, the entire show is like about her. Well, from my perspective, it's the show should be called Cassie. Cassoria. Cassoria, because it's just her. She grew into a monster. Did you see that? I saw that. She was like Godzilla taking over the city. She swatted a helicopter. With her hair. And then she like showed her boobs to the people in the window. Did you see that part? No, I didn't. I must have missed that reel. Yeah, no, last episode looked really crazy. There's been a lot of talk about it. But anyways, yes. So I think she'll be like, she booked LA nights. Oh, she was on the podcast with. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She made it. Which is made. But she also. And everyone's slipping. She booked LA nights. What's that? Oh, you didn't see those clips. I think it's like a role she really wanted. She got it. I have no idea what's going on in the show. I'm happy for her. But I think she like also stepped on mod appetiles, like toes, like mod appetizer. I think is a writer for like this low level TV show. And Cassie is like staying with her couch surfing. I don't know. I really kind of like want to watch a show now. It looks really good. Yeah, I haven't seen Zendaya. Oh, I saw Zendaya. At the wedding. Oh, no, like Zendaya was like buried. Do you see that clip? Wait, what? It was really just disturbing. I think Zendaya might be dead. I think they might have killed her. Or like, you know, they're always to be like, it's a dream. Yeah, like how did she grow so big, Cassie? Yeah, and what does that have to do with the show? I don't know. I need to watch. I need to watch. But also the outfit she was wearing was the same night that she did drugs. So maybe it was like a hallucination. Yeah, that's what I mean. They do. And there's a lot of drugs in the show. So like, I don't know if Ru is sober, but like when she was actively in drug addiction, she was always having these like, dream sequence like hallucinations. I think maybe, I think Ru is maybe dead. Or she like overdosed in her dreams or something. Yeah, but it was a really crazy scene that I saw. Send it to me. I see the clips. Literally, the show comes out Sunday night, right? Yeah, and then Monday morning. Monday morning. I love it. Yeah, no, I'm really enjoying the season of euphoria. As am I. And enjoying the season of Scooter and Sydney. I hope they get married and live happily ever after. Totally. Do you think Belle will be invited to the wedding? Yeah. I do. Let's get into Summer House. OK, so the big driveway fight. I just have, I have one word to say when it comes to the driveway fight, three letters. Whose are on loser crime? One word, three letters. Ick. Like seriously, Carl, like, and I love Bailey because like, she's a sweet girl. And I actually really like her. And her saying, yeah, Carl getting his veins popping out. It was so hot. He was being so angry. So sexy. There are a million words to describe what I felt when I was watching Carl, like, call Kyle a loser. But not one of them was like, hotter, sexy. It was giving so like cringe. No, but I actually love Bailey so much. And she's so sweet the way she described Carl. Carl doesn't deserve her. Carl does not deserve her. But you know what? Like, if she was really meant that, like, there really is a lid for every pot. Like maybe she did think that was sexy. Like I want them to be together. She's so cute. I believe that they are not together. And it's because Carl doesn't like her. That's just what I feel like. Based on what she said, I watch up and slide. They're not together. They didn't take it any further. But I hope I don't know what happens after the summer. But like, or maybe it's not too late. Maybe they're just like both sort of awkward. And it's going to take a while to get them off the ground. But he doesn't deserve her. And he should strike. So the fight about Amanda and Kyle ended up becoming Carl and Kyle. It was so stupid. Like, I seriously, and I do blame Jesse Solomon. Like, he was largely responsible for what happened in that driveway. It was cringe. They made up. And like, I don't know where we got left with Amanda and Kyle. Like it was like no, no resolution. But of course, there were a couple of nuggets worth discussing when it comes to West's involvement in. Now, I am firmly right now believing they have not started their affair yet. But I do see the trappings. It's Stamsil in distress. It's hero, you know, victim up in the tower. Like when she was like, when you moved your chair, and she was like on like the verge of tears, talking to us like when you moved your chair. And then they had that really long hug. And she's like, she's been holding it together the whole time. Then the second she's in West's arms, she starts to cry. Like, no, no, like they literally fell in love. It's kind of romantic. Well, it's really hard not to like watch the whole fight. Like through the lens of like Amanda's a villainous, traitorous, disloyal liar. Because if all of this West mandible stuff hadn't happened, we would watch a fight and been like, wow, Kyle is awful. She is, you know, mistreated and this is terrible. But then when you watch the fight with a little bit of a shrewd eye towards Amanda, she's, she is sitting there snickering when everybody starts to pile at, you know, she like is living for it the moment where everyone starts to like descend on Kyle. And then she sits back and lets it happen. And of course she doesn't need to defend him because what they're saying or how she feels and things that she's voiced to the good girls and now they're taking up for her. But when he said like, I feel so deserted, like who would ever sit there at a table while someone piles on your husband? That's your husband. That's your family. Even if I agree with everything they're saying, like you can't, you ride or die. If I can't defend you and I don't want to defend you in any situation ever. Like that's, that's not love. Like that's not support. That's not partnership. And so like, I understand why she has issues with him. I do. If my husband at 40 plus years old like wanting to be a DJ, traveling the country, like I would not like it. I wouldn't. But there are ways to like deal with things. And it's just so weird how they go the whole week in their apartment, I guess together. And they probably don't speak at all. When Mia was like, I can't imagine what he does at home and no one's here. I think it's nothing. I think these things only reach this level when they're with other people and they have to talk about their issues. I don't think they talk about anything when it's just the two of them. And it's like, is it that he's always, she's like mad that he's always leaving, right? To go and do his shows. But then also she wants time separate from him. Stiaira is like, they're on top of each other. They're together all the time. But then she also says he's never home. So I don't know which one it is. And so watching the fight, like just for, you know, giving Kyle a little bit of like the benefit of the doubt. He is spiraling. He is so emotional. He's so hurt. The idea of separating is like so painful for him because like he actually like loves his wife. And she is a weird way of showing it, but he does have love for her. She hates him. And what's that like to be with someone day in and day out who hates you, who's always on the other side of things, who doesn't have your back. And then when the rest of the house is sort of piling onto him about other stuff, and he also is literally on the hook for almost $5 million, like, and his company is going, and he can't DJ fast enough to pay his bills. And then he's getting yelled at for DJing. And they're like, why aren't you home having babies with her? And he's like, she doesn't even want babies. Like, and she says one thing and then does another. And it's like that, I am very frustrated for him. Now he should not say fuck you to his wife and certainly not on a table in front of people. And the way he goes about everything is wrong and he cannot manage his emotions. And like, I don't have time for people who can't like control their emotions. No, the only time he opens up is in an angry way. Like that's bad. No, and like that he could not calm down. Like, excuse me, sir, like your anger 40s, regulate, please. Like, let's, but also drinking doesn't help. They said he was like on the verge of blacking out. So like, stop drinking so much. If you're like in such an emotional, fragile state. But I did have like, I felt bad. I felt sorry for him because he's so distraught. Yeah. And I do want to say like, it's just so obvious. Like, obviously he's bad. He's wrong. He's yelling. He's DJing. But to a certain point, and I certainly don't want to victim blame, but like in a marriage like that, like people, like Kyle gets away with all this stuff because there's a precedent here, right? It's six or seven years of her, like really not demanding anything from her husband. Like, not that it's a woman's job, but like men are just sort of aimless. And I feel like when they get into a marriage, like they really become men and they get their lives together, so to speak, and they know how to act. And it's like this is a seven year long or 10 year long relationship where it's like there's been really no accountability on Kyle for any of his actions. He is not been like demanded to be a good partner or a good husband. So obviously he keeps doing shit like this. Like seriously, what do we expect? Yeah, also, like I think last season, they had that conversation where she like said for the first time on camera that she didn't know if she wanted kids. And I imagine for him, like that was a major betrayal, not betrayal, like a big turning point for him, like where it's like, because if they had had started to have kids like last summer, then they would have all of these issues while they would still be there, they would have been onto the next. You know, they might have like moved out of the city and started a family and been focused on those things. And and he, you know, he's not going to actually DJ multiple nights a week when you have a child that that would be like insane, insane. And so if we're not doing that, then why can I go and DJ all the time and try and make money and work on my career? Like, seriously, why do I need to sit at home and look at what else are we doing? Yeah. And it's not like there's other things that she wants me. It's not like you have to have a kid or you have to go be a DJ, but it's like, what do I need to stay home for? Why can't I go out and work? But like to have that conversation for the first time, like that revelation on TV. That's what I meant when I said betrayal, like that's insane. Oh, to have that on TV. But also, like, I think if anyone not on TV or in general, like if you marry someone and it always is like, we're going to I'm marrying someone who wants to have kids because I want to have kids. And whether it's the man or the woman who at some point says, like, I don't know if I want to have kids. Like that must be so destabilizing. Devastating. Yeah. So I just think that now, although I was going to say, I don't think Kyle Cook is like itching, you know, to get pregnant right now. No, no. But if that once that was sort of taken off the map and that's not your North Star, well, then sure, let's go left, right, down, backwards, right. No, but seriously, like what does she need? She doesn't like him. So why do you want him home every night? You don't. You don't actually. You don't want him every night. So you just like want to complain that he's out DJing, like trying to like piece together a living. Yeah. So I also say what? I also say, like I actually, when he was like seriously, like frantic in the closet, like breaking down, putting on the ugliest outfit I ever saw in my life to go and apologize to her. Like he couldn't even put together an outfit. Just want to say, like I actually felt sorry for this person whose life is falling apart on every front. And I'm sure Amanda handles her emotions differently, but I also now have to look at her through the lens of I don't even know a crazy person. You literally, I just saw the scene where she said she out of nowhere, like nobody, nobody, Amanda, I would die for Sierra. If she told me to kill West, I would kill him on site. Yeah. But what she actually, what she actually said was that I would never talk to him again if she asked me not to. It's like, okay, but you had sex with him. So I think she said she would kill him. If no, no, she said she would cut him off. Oh, I thought, I thought she said maybe she meant like cut his head off. I thought she said like a Sierra looked at me like gave me the sign. I would kill him like. Oh, I thought if Sierra gave me the sign to cut him off, like I would stop talking to him and never like speak to him again. Oh, whichever one they're both very extreme. It's like nobody even asked her to say something like that. So like, so to go from that to like six months later, that you're falling in love with him is just really crazy. So when she's in bed with like Mia and Sierra and it's hard not to like, you know, look deeper into the way she's reacting, you know, whereas before West Manabal, I would have just been like, wow, she is just so numb. Yeah. She must have been through this so many times. Her husband says, fuck you at the table and didn't even see a tear, you know. Yeah. She was just sort of like. Yeah. Oh, but it did also just as for Kyle Cook says that it was part of her big, you know, gone girl that she like starts these little fires. She knows Kyle's going to explode and give her the exact reaction that she wants on camera and she walks away like that woman coming home drenched in blood. I respect kidnapping. I respect justice for Kyle Cook's like creativity. Although I think they're giving Amanda Betula like far too much credit. Cause, cause justice for Kyle Cook. Oh, she also calls Kyle Cook America's dandy. What's like that? He's America's dandy. What does that mean dandy? Like, like, I don't know. Like his like our like handsome boy. And when she says our, who is she referring to? That's not the country. He's like America's sweetheart. She thinks. Okay. Okay, justice. Um, yeah, but she, justice thinks it's like a year's long grift that Amanda's been playing long play game to walk away from her marriage to Kyle Cook with him looking like the villain and her looking like the victim, just like in gone girl. Just like in gone girl, like leaving these breadcrumbs. That's beautiful. What else happened? Just saw him and made me sad. Like he needs a girlfriend and he had one. I know. He lost her. So why would anyone like give him the time of day? Yeah. I like, I love, I simultaneously love him and can't stand him. You know what? I'm back to loving him. I will always be a Lexi truth or after the video of the girl falling. Like I love him. He needs our support. You know, I will always be a Lexi truth or and I would love to, we should have him on the, on namesake because we can. Um, and I was our aunt. Yeah. Cause of our aunt. So we're, we're no longer having guests on the toast. Like if we're ever having a conversation with someone, they will come on namesake. It will be like a separate namesake won't be released monthly or weekly. It will be released when it has to be released as needed. Yes. And like some episodes could be as short as five minutes. It's like, I have a couple of questions for Jesse Solomon, you know, and one of them like would be like, do regret, like, do you have any apologies for Lexi? Do you have any? I would just like, like, I don't think that he does. I would like an awareness that he like ruined that girl's life and then we can move forward in harmony. It's beautiful. So I just would like to know that. So let's get namesake up and running. Done. Oh, well, the place looks great. It genuinely always does. Thank you guys so much for listening to the toast and letting me show you the fast, I've seen it. It's a reminder that Friday and YouTube's are watching us on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe and get a thumbs up. 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