Ep 69: From Soft Swap to Full Swap – Our Wildest Episode Yet

Find us at vanilla swingers.com and you'll find Kat's only fans page there too. You wish. Hey Kat. Yeah Leo. I'm going to record one of those silly disclaimers that you put at the beginning of the podcast. Real advisory sticker. Let's go because this is going to be explicit. Oh yeah we're going to talk about lots of sex. Lots of bad language. We might even have sex on the podcast. We might have. Listening to the noise of our love making. There might be nudity. But you can't see it on the podcast. Doesn't matter. You can hear it. You can hear the nudity. We might corrupt you if you're under the age of 18. That's the disclaimer. Don't listen. We're not professional. What else? And yeah we're not professionals. We know nothing. Absolutely nothing. And if you want to try to sue us? Well we don't have any money either. Because this is bite-size and commercial free. We're not trying to make any money. It's fun. So if you like it then tune in and listen. Subscribe. Word. Road again. Just can't wait to get on the road again. Life I love is making music with my friend. With benefits. I can't wait to get on the road again. We're making music with our friends. We are making sweet sweet music with our friends. Beautiful music. We have a lot of friends with benefits and it's the best. And we're on the road again. We are on the road again. This is live from Vegas. We're actually not in a car. Yes. We've been in a club. So our sound quality might suck. But you know what? We suck anyway. Whatever. Right now we're potting more than playing. Yes. So bully for you guys. You get to hear us more. Well first of all we were in Southern Cal recently. Right. We haven't quite got to that whole trip. That was going to the plush party. We'll get to that. We woke up after going over. We went over. And all of a sudden our DMs were blowing up. FBI open up. And we had some of our listeners tell us that we won an award. We won Best Entertainment Podcast. We didn't even realize the awards were that weekend. There's got to be a mistake. And so we felt like I had to sacrifice maybe to the swinger gods to go. I mean we went over in SoCal and we had like two or three really hot things planned and they fell through. First of all we ain't no podcasters. No we're not. We record in a hot car. Nobody else has a studio. Wouldn't that be a dream? Yeah. We have to like sneak out to the car. We do. Sometimes we put our backpack with all our pod equipment out the window and then run around the side of the house and grab it to go to the car because people ask why do you got a backpack to go to the car? The amount of times I've told people who ask what our podcast is and I reply it's terrible. Don't listen to it. It's a dubster fire. I mean it. It's terrible. I don't know why anybody listens to it but now because of you listeners. You degenerates. You made it an award winning podcast. I still can't wrap my head around that but we thank you all from the bottom of our heart. For real. For real. Because we started this as such a lark and it has been going on for about 18 months now. I mean we talked about quitting up until at least episode 10 every week. I'm going to quit. Oh yeah. It was all Leo. It was never me. I was a prickly pear. He's still a prickly pear. Sometimes. I'm out. He said we're not going to actually quit the pod anymore. No. We'll make it to at least 100 episodes. Right. And this is. Is anybody's going to quit? Number 69. So the next stop is the Avian awards. I mean everybody's heard about him. We want to play with some porn stars. Yeah. It's a bucket list. I still have porn boy in my phone. Oh no. I'm stuck. Step bro come help me. He offered on me. Some of it was our fault in SoCal but we offered. He's in Vegas this weekend. Offered. But I'm going to get him in my bedroom. And if God forbid you delightful degenerates out there make the unthinkable happen and we have to get up on stage. We don't belong. Which one of these is not like the other. We don't even have an OnlyFans. No. Not yet anywhere. If we get up on stage if you force us to get up on stage bags on our heads we're going to have bags of our faces. They're going to wonder who are those two weirdos up on stage with paper bags on their head. So we'll see. And we get to play with porn stars because if I get a porn boy he needs to get a porn girl. So I am actively trying to get him a porn girl. Well we met a couple of porn stars this weekend and one of the things that they suggested a gang bang with their fans which you know if you take it at face value it was interesting 50 guys. Oh wow. I'm like God these people are her fans. I think when they first invited us to have sex with her we said yeah not. I've never wanted to see a gang. I definitely don't want to be in a gang bang. This is not my style. But then we thought maybe it would be fun. And then she's a porn star. She's actually really pretty. Yeah she's a pro. She's got like she's like an anime. Like she's got pink hair. Yeah that's her brand. Big boobs. Big butt. Really trim. Really pretty. So here's the deal. Your fans they could show up and they could pay $40. They needed to get an STI panel that ran $300 and there were about 50 of them. And we asked them. At first we thought it was just $40. Then we heard they had to go to a specific clinic to get this specific STI test which is way more than any of us spent for STI test $300. So we realized there's a kickback going on. So yeah this is totally hearsay. We have no idea. We're just thinking there's no way she's going to be. I mean she was apparently going till 4.30 in the morning. Let's take the average STI panel runs $150. That's facts. Then if you bring 50 people at one time you got to figure you maybe get a discount. Maybe down to $100 which means she's making $200 on each of them. $200 times 50 is $10,000. That's the best. $10,000 for four hours. And then she puts it on only thing. Hit and quit it. Yeah. And there's probably recurring revenue there. So maybe another 10. So $20,000 for one night over. It was really interesting because you see all these guys. That's a big side hustle. Not any of them were quite what I would have played with but they were her fans. Yeah. It was pretty wild to see because essentially that would be like you putting out the word that you can come. Me. Cat. And see cat in Las Vegas and for $30 and an STI panel. You get to go bare. You get to go bareback with cat. I think, I'm not totally sure, but I think you'd probably have standing room only. Oh my gosh. Yeah. There might be more than just a few listeners and I think they would be excited. 12. Okay. Hi mom and dad. It must be so proud. You know, they still think we probably do a cooking show. I don't think you can actually cook. So when we met the porn stars, one of the things they said was when they found out we do a podcast. Oh, they all do. Can we be on your podcast? Can we do a collab? Yeah. That's the big thing. Because you do a content creator. Basically, we learn this through porn boy who is maddening because he's in my phone but he's flaky because it's all about doing it for the gram, which means the collabs, you get together with another content creator and you have sex. You got to get that bag and you film it and each of you can put it on your own only fans. Yeah. And I don't blame it. I mean, you know, you got to put food on the table. I think he should be getting with me and we can put it on only fans. Let's see. You're trying to do recreational sexy fun recreation. He's trying to pay rent on the first of the month. If somehow you could merge those two things, you'd be on the regular with the porn boy. So these two porn stars, they were talking about doing a collab with us. I love how you say that. Collab. I can't not say it's collab. It's collab, right? So, but I like your way of saying it. So don't change. And they talked about like, well, maybe we could do a collab and Leo's like, well, I don't show my face. And they said, you should get one of those foam mascot heads like Marshmallow and we'll fuck the shit out of you. And I said the audience would love it, right? The listeners I think would be like, and they said, we are so in. Yeah. So plus the head covers my weakest asset. It's a win-win. And we've always said, hell no, am I going to do only fans? We never said Leo wasn't because he's a perv. And if he gets to, you know, sleep with porn girls, right? Is it a bucket list? You won't make a dime from it. No. It'll be just for them. They can put it on their own. It's just for them to sleep with porn girls. Cheat code, right? Come on, you know, there has to be a reason for it. So we're going to be looking to do some collabs at the AVM. And then we're going to say what porn boys do you know? And I'm just going to be the recreational girl. So we got another reality show pitch this week. What is up with that? Is some listener out there submitting our names to these reality show producers? You know, once upon a time, Leo and I, we're big reality show TV people. That's true. We wanted to be on a reality show, but the more you know, the more you realize it's all fake. You look as clownish as possible because that's what sells. I mean, we look stupid most of the time anyway, but also it would probably make us argue, which we don't. This reality show curse and all that was bad. So we said, we'll never, ever do that. So we got the second one. Basically, it's a house hunting show for people that have or groups of people that have special needs. And so they think swingers. So we're going to be looking for like a special needs. Right? Yeah. And so you're probably going to go to all the neighbors who are like, I'm going to look at the living room with the sunken carpet. Yes. Shag. They're probably carrying the repent signs. It's a great place to put the fishbowl for the keys later in the evening. I would go to a key party if there was all people I'd chose. Yeah. I just, I think that's going to be a field too far. Yeah. Because it's sort of like the orgy bed at bliss where they do the seminar and then 15 minutes and they tell everybody to jump on the orgy bed. It's like the dark room. I love the idea of a dark room, but it's got to have all the kind of people who I like that. Oh, I like all you. You all could touch me in the dark. So you want to do like a private house party for those that orgy, a black room, and a dark room. Oh, that'd be so hot. Yes. It's got to be more intimate. Yes. Say what? We're going to have a good time tonight. Let's celebrate. It's all right. Stop it. Number 69. You just threw that out there. I'm just going to go ahead and pop it. I'm just going to pop that. Yeah. Going to go over like a lead balloon. Well, he just pulled the cat out of the bag. Yeah. I pretty much, Leo's been a full swap couple since Lana people. Spoiler alert. Okay. You're just going to go right there. Yeah. So let me just put it to you this way. Okay. First of all, we wanted to do episode 69. Okay. Leo is going to wait till number 100. Yes. Let's do that, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, for me to push the envelope. But we said that episode 69 should be where- I actually said it, I came up with the idea. There is AF and BF. And that's- Before full, after full. And it's different, it means we're a little more selective with my guys, we have to think, do we do that? Because it's still only with three sums, we're still soft swap with couples. Because there's just, we don't have as much control, we like to be part of it. Well, you know, it almost doesn't quite accurately describe how we are by saying we're a full swap couple. Because it is true- We're a full threesome couple. We're a full threesome couple. From the time we went to our first Swinger Club, which has now been about two years, of course we went to Swinger Clubs, two in Europe, and then we took like five months off researching and listening to pods. But from that first Swinger Club, until the time he went full with Lana, which didn't happen on the first night, in fact, all our foals happen in Vegas. Yes, and that's why we're doing, it's apropos. And we're sitting here in Vegas. We're doing this here, because I mean, that's- Wow, it's full circle. We're supposed to be having an MFM right now. Well, I know. But I think he fell asleep. I think he fell asleep too. I think my guys just keep falling asleep. You know some narcoleptic play-part. Cornboy, all the time, I fell asleep. Yeah. I fell asleep again. I'm like- You gotta do something about that. I know. But it makes sense to do this episode here and with some clarification, because it sounds like an oversimplification to say that we're full Swap couple. And we did start like so many of you, we really felt like I'm gonna go through the whole lifestyle and I'm never gonna go full. That is not gonna be, we never thought we'd get there. Did you think you were gonna get there? It was not something that I planned. Because we had that couple- It happened sort of accidentally. We were early on, like six months in, who said, we said we're a soft Swap, we're not gonna go full. And they said, oh, you will. And that just made us cringe. We worried, we're like, do we not have free will? You actually went home and thought, oh God. I thought that is sort of the NRE that comes, the new relationship energy that comes from- Are we going to make decisions that we're not ready for? Are we basically not in control of our own free will? Will it just sort of envelop us like a wildfire out of control? And we really worried, but then we started dipping our toes in and just like we give the advice to go really slow. Like I remember the first guy I kissed was only like, I don't even know, five, six months ago? Really late stage, okay? We were a no kissing couple. Okay, yeah, we had the no kissing role. I remember the first guy that I sucked on him. I mean, it was pretty far into our journey. Everything- Are we gonna talk about that last night you learned how to deep throw it? That's a big development. That's as big as like saying you're full. And not with someone else. Leo and I had a lovely, lovely time. That's because we went over. We went over, so we're like, oh, it's you. Free over, yes. Like P. De Colotta. Get in the rain. Get in the rain. Oh, it's you. We had an amazing time last night. We might've stayed up practically all night. Reconnecting as a couple, really. Cause you know, we've been on the road traveling so much. We like the sexy fun. We like the sexy fun. I mean, when you add the strange, it is- We're sort of on the move constantly. And this was one of those times where Stuart Scott, our Swinger Guardian Angel, boo-yah. I think he intervened and just said, I'm gonna clear your slate and you're just gonna spend time together. And we were downstairs walking to the lobby and some gal just randomly came up to us and said- Just a vanilla gal. Yeah, well, it didn't have to be vanilla. We could have made that happen, what do you think? We did go through the whole casino, like playing the hot or not game and thinking about how can we get someone in the water. We were cruising like a creepy swim. We were so creepy, but we were having a lot of fun. But she said, you guys are adorable and I can see your love. I know, and there was no reason. We were in our own little world. We were in our own world. And it was, I mean, we looked at each other and we're like, oh my God, that's so sweet. Cause we were feeling that way. We were feeling very lovey. And that's after going over. And so you deep through it. That was awesome. That's how I could show my love. Yeah, that's your love language, right? I thought I already knew how to deep through. No, I give you words of encouragement. You give me physical touch. It's a win-win. And until we met, Roller Girl, and she took it that last mile and you said, oh yeah, she knows how to deep throat. And she like pops it and okay. So I realized I wasn't really deep-throating. And for some reason last night, you were pretty much face fucking me. And I am like a sword swallower. Like I felt that like I can't breathe. It totally blocks my entire breathing capacity. And apparently every time he gets in that spot, I gush like an absolute fire hydrant. Yeah, you squirt, which was wild. Not just squirt. I gush like a New York City hydrant. Where it's been hit by a car. Yes. And it's like shooting straight in the air. And I didn't see it. You actually hit me in the face. I could feel it. It was like hitting my hair. And I was like, wow, what's going on? I think I'm bearing down because it's intense. My cock down your throat was like some kind of push pop where it was like. I had no idea, right? I didn't have that much experience before Leo. And then we got in the lifestyle. I've seen a lot of dicks now, a few in my mouth. And yours is ranks right up there as far as size. And so it's a little large. I'm going to do it right after the pod. I'm going to deep through it again. I know you are. I know. I'm looking forward to it. Honestly. And then he was going to try to go. He sort of circuited my brain. Because I'm not a big swallower. Yeah, I was going to try. But I have been thinking about with other partners. I'm kind of hot. And he's like, you better swallow me first lady. Before you start thinking about other people. So now that we go full, you're already moving the goalposts a little bit further. Are you going to be a cum slot? I like it because it's like an embodiment of showing how much pleasure they're in. And I caused that pleasure because it's not you. Yeah, you're right. That's almost like squirting. It's not an M M F. He's not looking at you. You guys probably heard maybe around episode. Well, what? I mean, it was probably like Blitzcruse, Lana, all that, right? The trouble. You've probably heard some of our language start to change where we would describe ourselves as a pretty soft couple. Yeah, we didn't always say soft swap because even for me, I was having soft encounters. But we were gerrymandering. Yes. Doing some DP because we came up real early. So totally separately. I came up to him one day like really early. And I said, you know, the only way I think I could have someone else inside of me is if you're inside at the same time. And that whole DP thing you told me about, like that's important that I never knew about, I could probably do that. And we talked about that even on the one year anniversary episode. I remember one guy, Red Raider. You know, we were doing our thing and then you left and I was just going down on him and he like came up to kiss me passionately. And then he said, can I just go inside you? You're talking about when I left the room for 10 seconds. Yeah, they always do that. I said, no, not unless he's in at the same time. So we called you Leo, Leo. Cat was amazingly loyal throughout all of that. I was okay going slower. I honestly thought that I'd always be in that place. Yeah, so what you said at one point. Here's the reason why. Because for you or me. We've had a lot of single-gall friends. Oh, so why did Leo decide to go full? Let's talk about the anatomy of going from soft to full. First of all, I never wanted to go full because I felt like it was cheating. I felt like you put a cock into my VJJ. I'm cheating. You stick your cock into someone else's VJJ. You're cheating. I had a real, real hard time with that. That's a pretty base story. Then we got together with Lana. It was our first real unicorn encounter. We got together once, soft swap, twice, soft swap. We took her to Vegas first and second night, soft swap. And then it happened. That one, I cried. I was not ready for it. We talked about it. I said, I actually told him, I think if anybody you could go full with it, would be her. And so he thought I meant anytime. I still am a little heartbroken. I thought that you were trying to nudge me. Yes, to do it. And oh my God. So I'm telling you guys, you need to be ready because to see him doing that, it was like I bleached. I couldn't stop thinking about the action of him going in and out of her for weeks. Like I went downstairs to the pool and cried and it was terrible. And it was interesting because looking back on the dynamic, the first rule of thumb here for the newbies going through their lifestyle journey. Go slow. That is the first rule. That's my first rule. Okay, well, I guess that's a good. Well, what's your rule? Is that when it comes to unicorns, there are no rules. Right. And so we realized that early on, a unicorn's not going to play with you if you're not going to give her some dick. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, they're actually mostly universally looking for single guys. They are not looking for couples. I know, but we're talking about the whole Lana thing. Yes. And so I'm saying. Yeah. So every unicorn we've been with since then, there's been, I don't know, it might have been two dozen at this point. He's gone full every time. It just, there's no boundaries because they absolutely freaking adore him. I mean, they do. It tolerate me. You have better luck with unicorns than I do with the manacords. But we also think it's because we're not giving them what they want. And so yes, that MFFF, which we did twice, Leo was pleasuring all of us. Okay. That he said, my dick is going to fall off at the end of it. Yeah. And so yeah, he did pleasure all of us in every which way imaginable. But by that point, I was way past that first time. It is hard. You had like Leo, it wasn't hard for him, although you had a moment to, we'll get to that. Where that one part with my going full ish was a little harder for you. But if you go slow enough and you kind of picture it in your head, you'll probably be okay. You desensitize. I'm sort of giving you the floor here a little bit because I'm just interested to see how you interpret it. I would say from my perspective. You mean for Lana or for me? Just the hearing. First of all, you're sort of retrospective. I know we're just talking off the cuff. Also, we went 10 months apart. Yes. He went full in September of last year. I didn't go full until Rusky. And so why did we arrive at that point? That's why he's the impaler. He impaled me. Yeah. That happened. And a couple of things. One, we probably had what? Three episodes ago and it was called fairs fair. I didn't ask for it. I didn't say, honey, you know, I'd like more. I was happy with DP. I really like DP. You should have seen the look on Kat's face when I said, you can go ahead and maybe sit on it. And that was actually before Rusky, but I'm not going to call that full swap because it was just like, oh, you could just sit on them for a minute before I do the DP. The evolution was because we do the DP, that sometimes they struggle. My theory is if you're both inside of me at the same time, I don't know who's who. Then I don't feel like I'm changing. I felt like from a practical standpoint, maybe if you sit on them for a minute. Yeah. Not long. Just two before Rusky. That was shy guy. It was like for a minute where he was alone to help him get going before the DP. And I remember as I was doing it, I was sitting on him and I said, we have never done this before. You must be really special. And we have around two of them in a week. At the end of the day, I think that because we're playing the lifestyle on hard mode, where we do the double helix, where we alternate between MFMs and MFS. And it's not just any MFM. I really like them to be like under the... 30 and under and the hands. And they have to be really cute. And so yes, you are actually encountering a harder mode than my end. I watched the struggle because single guys under the age of 30 who have options are some of the most terrible soft skills because they have such a hookup mentality. And at the end of the day, we weren't really letting them hook up. And then it started to occur to us that we are kind of corn ball newbies. We're like, hey, so we're gonna do some action in the honey hole, but our dicks are gonna cross swords. And they're not by exception. They're straight guys. And so you wonder, So like, oh, here comes Leo. Why are we not getting the repeats? Just like the one guy said, could I just come inside for a few minutes? Like he wanted to go. And Drago said, it's my turn. And we're looking at him like... In a facetious way, but yes. The hell it isn't. Like we weren't there. And so with the sample size of single guys, we have a pretty decent sample size now. What we've discovered is similar to the unicorns that they're really looking for single guys, not couples. Single guys are looking for single females. They're not or hot wives, but the closest thing they can get to having a single gal in the bedroom with the husband as far away as possible. And so we are not that kind of couple because... No, because you're not a watcher. And so we're encountering guys who probably leave and think, okay, first of all, I didn't get to full swap. And second of all, I had Leo get popping up, telling jokes halfway through. Is Wayne Brady gonna have the choker bitch? And I think that for newbie couples, if you're doing MFMs, you need to be reminded that... You might not get the repeats if you're gonna stay soft. I am not telling you to go full with an MFM. Go soft as long as you want. You should be able to go as soft as you want because single guys will take whatever you give them. And then... But they may not come back for a repeat. And then also, you know, we gerrymandered with DP and DVP. And I know people would think, you're not soft, you're doing that. But now that we've gone the other route where he gets to be alone with me, I think Leo agrees, it's different. If you can cosplay as much as you can in that MFM encounter for that single guy to have moments with you where it feels like he's got a single gal... Like a 50 person gang bang? Yeah. Bear back. Yeah, I paid my ticket to ride. I'm not ready for that. And so I think more and more, we've started to move towards that mindset. I want the guys to keep coming back. I don't want you to have to always be starting from scratch, always on the prowl looking for new guys out there. I'd like some guys to crush on you. So let's just say, let's back this up just a hair. Again, we started our journey two years ago. It was about a year, it was 14 months was when you first full swapped with Lana. I waited 24 months. So, yeah. It's yay me. I had a 10 month run on me. And then we worried about telling you guys because we're the soft swap couple, we're the newbie couple. But it wouldn't be genuine. To touch on that. Because when we first started this podcast, we were just a couple of knuckleheads in hot car shouting out into the void. I think when we started it, we hadn't even exchanged oral with anybody. I guess, I mean, we were so newbie. What I'm trying to say is that sometimes we forget maybe how many people that this might touch out there. But as time goes on, I think we do realize that this podcast touches a lot of people. And so when we approach the 69th episode, to be honest with you, I think we have a feeling of, I worry that some people out there will be disappointed. I feel like they're out there, some of you thinking you are the newbie whispers and you've said that you can go as slow as you want. You don't need to go to full. And we really truly believed, I thought we'd go through a whole swanger journey and we'd never go full. That's what I thought early on. And what are they gonna think when Kat and Leo say that they're a full swap couple? Does it just mean that it's inevitable? And I'll tell you this, it might be. Because there was a couple that we met on the cruise when we were still very soft. This was our first cruise. We were newbie newbies. And they said they went soft for seven years. Okay, I wanted to say that again. Seven years they went soft. And now there is full swap, DTF is as they come. And so it makes me think that I do kind of think that if you continue on this journey, you're probably gonna end up full. And to be honest with you though, we're speed running our way through the lifestyle. I mean, the amount of events we're going to, the amount of traveling. We can't even tell you about them all. So they're seven years. Might be our two years. We're running through dog years. I'm actually really proud that I went two full years. Oh, I am too. I just want people to know out there that yes, the answer is unless at some point you prematurely quit the lifestyle, probably about 95% chance, yes, you will eventually evolve to a full swap couple. And the main reason is you get desensitized. At first you're like, oh my God, I don't want somebody kissing and making out with Leo. Or oh my God, maybe that feels like cheating if he's having sex with another person. You have all these thoughts, but the more you kind of go at the lifestyle and you kind of chip away, chip away, you're like, oh, that's not that big a deal. Oh, that's kind of hot to watch. Yeah, you get a little desensitized. You really do. With enough practice. And I, and then it becomes. I would say you're not desensitized completely. No. I'm completely desensitized. We talk about all the videos that we keep taking, right? With like pussy, bushy, go lower. And Stifler's mom. Couple by. Okay, yeah. He was fooling it with them. And I'm sitting there, I'm the videographer. And I'm like, this is hot. We actually take the trust that our listeners place in us very seriously. It kind of snuck up on us really. But we get so many DMs from listeners, all the emails and things. So we figure half of you are gonna be like, what took you so long? We already went full. Yes. Where the hell have you been? I think half of you might be a little disappointed. Thinking what hope is there for us if you guys can't hold out? You know, you got to just go at your own pace. Maybe you're gonna be the seven year couple. Maybe you're gonna be like us and be two years. And I think instead of waiting to a hundred episodes where we keep talking about a lot of subjects that are almost a retread. This is almost like Vanilla Swinger's 2.0. So one through 69, you can listen to a newbie couple grab in for dicks in the dark. You grab for dicks in the dark? I don't grab for dicks. I haven't had an extra dick in the dark. Do you know it's been like six weeks? And I think it's because Stuart Scott has given this moment for us to sit with us and digest it. Yes, because after Vlad the Impaler, we went into it, he was, I told you, the most attractive dude I've ever seen on field. Leo had already been kind of inching his way toward, I didn't ask for full. He said, I think he should do that. I think it would be hot. And I'm like, well, I'm not gonna argue. It sounds pretty. I think then your milkshake would bring all the boys to the yard. Because at some point, what? Do I just suck on them forever and ever and ever? I mean, you know, that gets a little boring. And seeing the struggle that you have while I'm over here doing these unicorn experiences. You have unicorns raining on your head. The unicorns in our lives are some of the most special people to us, bar none. They are absolutely fantastic. Well, they're girls and girls like to text. And so they're texting me. I have a lot of friends and it's fun. I feel like our energy matches so perfectly with theirs. Because we haven't found the guys energy that matches with ours. No, because we want the same things that the unicorns want. We want some of those soft skill moments, the spaces in between. I wanna go bowling. I know, I know. I wanna go camping and I wanna go in that damn camper van of Surfer Boy. Oh, okay. We've had four really great MFMs in the past few months. We went Surfer Boy. I'm going like once a month at this point, which is really awful. We had Surfer Boy, Shy Guy. You're like the lowest miles, full swap girl in the lifestyle. I didn't pull up any of these people. Rage and Cajun, fly in the pillar. Okay, so Rage and Cajun. Rage and Cajun was the first that we... Instead of you sitting on Shy Guy for a minute to get him started before Leo pops in. Pop out at one in the morning. That's my favorite song, one AM. You should Spotify. Rage and Cajun was the next evolution where I told him while you were leaning over the bed on all fours. Did, yeah, go to me. Go from behind. But it didn't last long. Didn't last long. I didn't know that this was... We didn't talk about it ahead of time. I didn't really know we were going to be pushing that envelope, whereas by the time Vlad came, he was the next one. When I did it, the look on Cat's face was like, are you sure? Yes. I'm not sure about this. I was totally unsure about it. And Leo was actually more sure than I was. But I'm like, okay, he's telling me to do it. And by the time we got to Vlad, which was another month out, he told me, we're going to take this one. We're going to be switching positions. We're going to be taken turns. You told me that. Vlad was a fantastic guy to do it with. And still with Vlad, knowing that this was our intention, we're not even going to have the talk, that we're soft. We're just going to go full bore. Yeah. I mean, up till that point, every single time we would have an awkward conversation. They say we don't really full, but we kind of gerrymandered. And we're not the kind of couple that lays it out there and advertises for all the world to see. We talk about that like five minutes before we start. You'll see our Cassidy profile. We don't say anywhere for the last two years that we're soft swap. We figure we'll do that in the bedroom. Well, because I think it precludes a lot of play opportunities by advertising I'm not going to go after a couple of this as we're GTF. I know that you're not going to be my style. Whereas to be frank, you get somebody in the bedroom and you say, well, we do this, this and this, but we don't do that. Not one person's ever gotten up and left. No, they had a lot of fun. They always said wonderful things on the way out like Vlad. So let me tell you what he said to be in Russian. This was the first time with Vlad where we didn't have that conversation five minutes before we started. But even while we were going through it, I'll get to what he said on the way out. I couldn't tell you guys before because it would have let on that we went full. Even during it, even though Leo said, I want you to do this, this will be great. I did not enjoy it as much because I was so worried about what you were going to think. You didn't feel like you could completely like that. I did not completely let go. We've now talked about it because we thought we'd see porn boy and so Cal. Like you said, Stuart Scott has intervened to maybe make us, you went full for cat. I'm going to make you have a drought. So you can really think about where you're going next. Yeah. Are you ready? Are you ready? Like you really want this. This goes all the way back. You saying that you couldn't feel like you could really let go with Vlad the impaler. I really felt a little bit like, oh God, I don't know how he's going to like this. I couldn't enjoy it all the way back to our very first Swinger Club, Liberty Club, the mask. Oh, when I ended up with a dick in my hand, a strange cock in your hand. Jumped in my hand. Wee, wee. And the next day, I did not rather, I promise. Yeah, like the story, Kat. You just been playing the long game. I know it. I didn't even like dicks back then. No, you don't. But now you actually are. I like dick pics. I like it. RIP to your DMs. But you got so upset at me the next day. How did you take me there? Why would you do such a thing? What do you think I am? Some kind of fuzzy? And it turns out you were projecting. You were actually. I was actually, I didn't know that he saw that I had ended up like it was fine. I was touching the girl. We were having some girl, girl interplay, our very first club. But then I ended up with a dick in my hand, not in my mouth, anything like that, just in my hand. And I didn't know Leo had seen it and I felt guilty. Some context is that ever since we've met, I've been fiercely overprotective of you. Well, now you think it's great. It's one of the reasons why I say. It's great. We go. If you asked me five years ago, whether we'd be sitting here doing this today, I would have told you you should have your head examined. Like part of our fun in Vegas, especially when we're not playing, we're walking around the casino. I'm like, tell me any guys that look at me because I'm wearing like a skimpy dress and heels. He goes around. Oh, that guy just copped a look. That guy look. Oh, I'm bird dog. And that's our new fun game. I'll say, oh, he would do. Yeah, it's it's. And we try. We chase them around thinking, how can we get this guy in the wild? We will do that at some point. There's no question about it. Yeah. But I think that that's where we are right now. You've had your first full-throated experience. Not deep. So to speak, that's the next one. And I've told you that for the next one, I could enjoy it. I want you to bear down and enjoy it. Like with Vlad, let me explain how it went. It was definitely a lot more free. Like we were taking turns. You know, I would be sucking on Leo and then he'd be inside of me. And it was really, really hot. Then there was a moment where Leo was actually getting himself ready or he was getting a washcloth. I was preparing for DP. We were going to do DP. I was going to get like a washcloth and, you know. I was going down on Vlad. He was laying on his back. And then I left the room for 45 seconds. In that amount of time. Grabbing a condom and I sat on him. But Leo has always said, that position, I'm totally cool. It's like a prone turtle on its back. And then all of a sudden, it was the flip. OK, the flip was a big deal because Leo came out and he was not expecting to see me on my back with him. If you were on top of him riding him, then I come back for the DP portion. Or even my mouth is free. When I walked back in the room, I'm a turtle. You were on your back and there was no place for me. And you had your hand and you were flailing it out to the side. To hold your hand. Because you couldn't see me and you wanted to be connected with me. I did because I felt which was very sweet. Guilty. But I didn't like the flip. He didn't like the flip. So when he left, he spoke to me in Russian one last time. And I said, well, this time I asked him, what did you say? And he said, I really enjoyed fucking you. And I'd like to see you again. And it was so hot. That's got a shitty grin. A Cheser cat grin on her face. Have the most amazing NRE from this experience. But Leo was having troubles with the flip. And he almost, almost killed my NRE that night. Yeah, it was really irresponsible of me to not be the bigger person in that situation. Early on with Lana, when he first went full multiple times. I really, I had some crazy things with Lana. Like maybe three times, the rest of our 20 times together, I was great. That's why we say that one of the greatest things about Lana was that she didn't have any really prior unicorn experience. No, because we had. So we were all figuring it out together as we went along. Like, so I cried in Vegas, OK? I was just not prepared to see that. It was so difficult. But she's in our bed, in our bedroom for two more nights. So I had to get it together. I don't think you guys did it again. No, but she could sense that the mood had changed. There was a shift in the energy. And she knew. And that's an awkward position to put another girl in, to be fair. And you and I had talked about it in the very next time we saw her. I don't know, maybe it was up in San Francisco in the Bay Area or something. We had already talked about it together. We're like, we're going to go for this. We've already done it once. I'm going to get my head around it. I remember very clearly one of the next outings. You two were laying next to each other. Or she was on top of you or you on top of her. And I was laying next to you with my vibrator. And I was watching you go in and out of her. And I looked at you and said, that's actually really hot. And so that was me crossing the Rubicon. I still had moments with her a couple of times. And we made all of our little newbie mistakes with her. Right. And after that, the very next unicorn after Lana was in, I don't know, it was in Denver. Yeah, it was by Babe. It was by Babe. And we're in the Montchalais. We're doing 369. It's all real soft. I look over at her. We hadn't had the talk. Leo and I, this is our first unicorn since Lana. Because at the time, we actually talked. Lana is going to be the only one we go full with. That's right. We did say that. I thought, well, I'm OK with Lana. I think we said, we probably said it in a podcast. And we said, I think that some of the things we've done, we think that we may never do those again. We'll pull that drawback up behind it. We told Lana as much. Yes. Then we get our very first other unicorn. We haven't really talked about it. We're in the moment. She's the sweetest, sweetest, sweetest girl ever was. Yeah, a matter of Starbucks. That was that first weird date. She's absolutely adorable. And we're in the middle of it. And I look over at her. And it was me. I leaned over and I looked at her and I said, do you do full swap? And she said, duh, I'm a unicorn. And she said, but I'm OK going as soft as you guys want. And I looked over at Leo and I said, that's OK. And I fed him in. That was my thing for a while. If I feed you in, it's not cheating. I'm a part of it. And that's also why we like threesomes is because we're 100% part of it. When you say feeding me in, somebody out there who's an OG swinger probably chuckles. It's sort of like the you got a new kissing rule. It's hot. You have a lot of you play card games for ice breakers. And I'm feeding it in. Well, I think that goes to a point, though, that you could feed a guy in the new. Say what? I'm not feeding a guy in the new. What the? I don't be hot. What am I, fluffer now? I don't know. Just be hot. Slow your roll, girl. It's been a drought, honey. So sad. I burned my man card with that one. One cock in the room. Listen, other OG swingers would probably snicker. But I'm here to tell the newbies out there who are just starting out. Don't let anybody tell you different. Because those things like maybe a no kissing rule or maybe you want to feed your guy in for the first time. Or maybe your husband, who's the perv, he is full 10 months before you are. Let me just say that again. 10 months. And that worked for us. Yeah. And somebody would be out there and they would probably be saying, Leo, what the first fair? What are you talking about? Can't go full. And but it just didn't feel right to either one of us. But eventually as a newbie couple, you'll outgrow those things. You won't have a no kissing rule. You probably won't be soft swap anymore. Maybe you'll gerrymander like we did. But in doing those things like a no kissing rule or feeding your partner in, those are the things that help you to cope. You know, some people and I'm not yucking anybody's young because there's no one way to do this. You're saying some people jump right to full swap immediately. Isn't like their first play. And it's true. You know, you liken it to a bandaid. More like a bikini wax. When you're ethically non-monogamous and you've been monogamous for a while with your husband or wife, it is a bandaid. The first time someone sleeps with someone else, right? You can either rip it off or you can get in a warm bathtub and soak it off. Yours was a bit of a rip bandaid. Yeah. Lana, we ripped. I was not ready for that bandaid to be ripped. We had a miscommunication. But once we went there, I got desensitized and it got easier over time. Mine was a slow melting away in the bathroom. You were more ready for me to go full than I was. And the reason for that was fair is fair. I know. And I was feeling generous because you were so generous. You've been wonderful. I take videos. I leave the room. Like I'm just like sometimes. Kat was over here at the gang bang and she's picking up on the porn stars. You got her digits, right? I did. And I was telling somebody we were sitting with. I said, this is what Kat does. She's such a girly girl and she's got that bestie energy. They love you. And so. She was so pretty. And I thought, I want to get her for Leo. And so I told them. I said, she's going to say something like, tomorrow we've got a play day with her at 2 PM. You know you're a little bit jealous that I got a porn boy in my phone. I have to sit off to the side and I just have to not fuck it up. Yeah, don't fuck it up. Yeah. Talk less, Leo. Yeah. When someone says yes, stop. OK. I'm horny. And the funny thing is. I want to deep throw you. Hot dogs in hot dogs. My pleasure. I am so good at it. Like I told him as we, we spent hours, hours last night. He was so excited. He said, I found a new trick. He was so excited. He's like, can I do it again? I've said before that your head game is a top 10%er. He tells me that all the time. As of last night, you're in the top 1%. There's no question about it. I'm not even sure how many guys I went down on before you. You have a very smooth deep-throating. Sometimes it can be forceful. Because getting that last mile. I can't wait to do it. It could be a little rough. We were all tawdry while we're doing it. I'm like, do I get to do this with all the guys? They're going to love me. So generous. Yes. Fair is fair. It's basically incumbent on me to try to find you wonderful experiences. I want you to have as many single guy experiences with really good guys as we can get. And we're still not nearly in the same place as we are with the unicorns, as far as it's just free and easy. It's thrupply. It's like, you can have Leo. Of course we are. Whereas with me, we've only really done it the one time. And I felt a little timid about it. And we're not totally in the same place, but we'll get there to where Leo might even sit off for a moment and watch. Which is really what happened with Volod at the end. Leo went, right? He came, which he doesn't usually do in the middle of a long play encounter. So basically I took an arrow to the knee. He cock blocked. Well, here's how it went down. Near the end, we were kind of mingling, taking a break. And again, I'd just taken an arrow to the knee. So I was out of action temporarily. That was when I asked him, can I audio record you talking dirty to me in Russian? Well, you sat on his lap, not wearing any underwear. I did sit on his lap and he was quite hard. And he reached sort of for a condom somewhere. And he asked, do you mind if I continue? And that's when I told him, yeah, that's not really my thing. I'm not much of a watcher. So basically he knew the show was over and then he got dressed after that. And he left shortly after. And Jovi enough, but at the end of the day, that's what I say, we're not in the same place as with the unicorns. So we still threw a hitch in there at the end, which was. It is not as free and easy yet, which means repeats will be harder to come by until we get there, but we have to go slow. Until there's a bit of cosplaying that they can feel almost like they're in the room with a single go. So this will be really interesting. Since we started gerrymandering a little bit more, really, Vlade was the main one. Shy Guy was the very first. And that was me just sitting on him for like literally a minute. And you've since told Shy Guy that our boundaries have expanded since the last time we saw him. And you're gonna have a lot more fun. And you know, we don't have a proof of concept yet. Right. Because with Vlad, we still had a big hitch thrown in there right at the finish line, because he didn't go. I am. Yeah, he didn't go. And so he left maybe a little bit disappointed. Blue balls. We are trying to get a working proof of concept to see if we give them that cosplay. Shy Guy might be the first. And it's free and easy. And it'll be next week. Do they come back? Do I get myself a manicorn who wants to be a repeat? Because Shy Guy said he saw a couple for like six months when he lived in the Midwest. And you deep throat now. I wanted that. That's one percenter. You know, I've probably only been deep throated. Probably three or four times ever. I thought he said twice. Oh, before, like we met. Yeah. How many times? Well, I just said like three or four times. So we're talking probably two before I met you. And then roller girl. Roller girl. That's it. And then you. Last night. I had to go and find it from somebody else now. It was all a figment of your imagination. I didn't deep throat you. Are you kidding me? Like Kat is actually putting her lips on my pelvic bone. And he's not small. That's a wild feeling. I mean, he's not like 11 inches or anything. I want to go ahead and I want to throat fuck you. And I want to go. It was a figment of your imagination. I didn't really do that. My head might explode when that happened. It was puffed in Magic Dragon. I have my perfect little. A cum slut. A cum slut. You were telling me I was a good girl last night, which we don't ever do. I know. You know, we are so busy playing. We don't do a lot of that kind of play because we've got young kids at home. You know, it's not super. It's anti sexy. And so when we go to Vegas, we really let loose. We usually reserve the downtime for in between when we're playing. You and I, we double back on each other. And then that's when we have our couple times. So I went full swap with Leo last night. And then we had a French boy. He's 22. He's a tick tocker. He first approached us and he said, I'm field. And then we said, who are you? The next thing you know, we've been sexting all weekend. Now he did say he was going to end up in Vegas on Sunday, but we didn't really believe him. He sent in videos to Kat, where he's waking up sleepy-eyed in the morning. Oh, God. And then he's like wanking it, but he does it in a cute way because he's this broccoli-haired fuck boy. Because he's shown us videos. He wanted to show us videos of him with this young girl. And he is a great lover. I mean, 22. He has a great bedroom energy. I don't, he has some experience. He has a rake-ish, he was chewing gum during the encounter. And he has this total Cheshire's Kat grin on his face the whole time. So, you know, most 22 year olds don't have a lot of experience. And usually we don't go that young. Yeah, you can't usually find that combination in a 22 year old. They're scared, they're timid, they're like, oh my God. He has the hutzpah of somebody who's like 35. He has clear vibes, for sure. And so it became very clear, you're not really coming to Vegas, but I wrote him and I said, because he's in What's Up. And I said, you know what? Even if you're not going to be in Vegas, you could be my sexting buddy. And sext he did. I sexted him last night while- You've got like 20 videos. Leo was deep-throating me and I told him, I just learned how to deep-throat. And he woke up and he sent me another video of himself. And then I said, I want you to speak to me in French. He spent 40 seconds talking and talking with us. And it was in video and it was his impish grin. So- Before he showed himself exposed under the covers. He lives at Bogota and I- You kind of offended your senses not long ago, but today- Now I actually wrote him, I said, I want to put that big, beautiful cock of yours in my mouth. I'm going to deep-throat it. You are such a dirty guy. So he said, he called me his naughty girl. And I said, well, you're my TikTok boy. So that added so much to our- We're at the 69th episode here. And we're going to go to Bogota. And this is going to be before, full and after full. Because from here on out, we're going to discuss things that are sort of the next phase of our lifestyle journey. Like for Leo, that's the thing. Every unicorn, you have to go full. There can be no stop signs in the bedroom with a unicorn. They could choose any couple in the world. And you can't be like, oh, we're going to do a three-way kiss. Oh, you can't go full with my husband. That's not gonna work. That's one of the reasons that unicorns probably don't warm to newbie couples because they're not really ready for- Road signs. We've heard it said before that unicorns, when they're talking about couples, they'll say, if the girl's not by, then I'm not interested. Why? With a woman watching, that's an extra step. Unicorns want the full experience. And you better give it to them. Or there's going to be another couple along, or 500 couples along shortly, who will give them what they want. So for Leo, every unicorn is full. I mean, there's just no question about it because we've gone through the journey. It doesn't bother me anymore. I've been so desensitized since about January. And here we are- You actually have amazing energy with the unicorns now where- I don't feel jealous at all. I actually say, how do you like that? I want to hear how much they enjoy you because it makes me love you more. Like to see your sexual prowess and to see them ogling you and loving on you. You see guys, this is compersion. It makes me feel proud that you're my guy. That's so sweet of you to say. And, but on the other end of the spectrum, with the guys, because mine's so new, we realized that every guy encounter, we're not going to go full necessarily. The guy encounters are harder for me. I'll tell you what, girls have such soft energy. They have such soft skills. They're emotional creatures. They're just universally lovely. Okay. So if you could get- When it comes to guys- You're afraid of the pesky MFMs, you would. There's a lot of guys out there that almost have a predatory vibe to them. You know, because there's so much- Like a sex doll. A hidden, quiet mentality, they oftentimes get into the lifestyle because they think it's a cheat code for easy sex with a bunch of slutty swinger wipes. You always say that, the slutty housewife. And you're like, that's just- And I don't want that. Not cool. I don't want a guy coming into our bedroom and thinking that this is almost like a sex doll. I don't want that at all. And so my guard, it's taken a long time for me to let my guard down because I want to protect you. Which is why we can have- Every second of the way. Three MFFs in one weekend and I'll have one MFM. It's just too difficult- For the reason that you say that. For you to wrangle your emotions to handle usually more than one MFM. That's horrible. You say that because you know that when I have more than one unicorner on a weekend, you say, well, I know you're gonna be generous now. I'm sorry to my MFM. It's gonna be a full experience. I mean, we did wake up after about two hours of sleep today because we were gonna have a daytime trist with a 25-year-old who didn't arrive to Vegas till today, but we're leaving today. So we're like, you know what? Let's play from like 12 to three. And you woke up for me, wrecked. After last night, all that deep throating. And I said, we're gonna do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Blod the impaler. Riddle me this. Did we have unicorn encounters on that same weekend? We had two. There it is. And so when it came time- Yes, you felt very generous. My guard was down and I said, fair is fair. And that is why when we were in SoCal- I wanted that for you. And Pornboy had been in our phone. Pornboy lives down in SoCal. He slid in on the Thursday we got there. You were not ready because we had an encounter for you on Friday. And you thought, I kind of need mine first in order to get the gumption to have a porn star in the bedroom. And I know, I'm sure there are some OG swingers out there saying, Leo, you're a little bitch. You should be better about making it equitable. Well, on the one hand, you did express that you felt like I like that I'm soft and I'm going to stay that way. I do like that I'm soft. And so with couples- I think you like being low miles. I want to stay soft swap. I'm sure we'll go full swap with couples at some point, but not right now. And the reason why is it's so separate. I don't like that. And then also we've said now that we're after 69, right? After full, Leo was like, God, now we're even being more selective with the single guys because I don't want all of them to like be in your VJJ. And I think that's the reason why we're doing this is because your honey hole to me is sort of the ultimate- They're making love to me. If you thought of no kissing rule, I want them to be worthy. But Leo and I looked at each other and we're like, oh my gosh, just because we did it once doesn't mean every guy- I like them to be as good looking or better than I am. Yeah, I do too. I want them to be like the most amazing one night stands I've ever had in my life. Yeah, I want that. And if I could just go ahead and order them up like a Domino's Pizza, we do seven of them in a week. We're going to Bogota. Yeah, we probably are going to go to Bogota. I think he's a little smitten with me. Bogota. That might be our next crazy ass adventure. Well, he's my sexting buddy. We'll see. How long does it last? I don't know, but it's kind of fun. He did the flip in the video he sent us. His flip was actually better executed than the law of the impaler. Now, when I came out and I saw you in that- And I was throwing on my back. Compromising position. He really ruined the NRE that night. And I was okay with it because I'd ruined- But in fairness- I'd ruined your NRE many times. Vlad stopped within probably 20 seconds. He saw me. He rolled off of me and he got on his back like almost like catching his breath. Yes. So he was respectful. He was. It was almost like you can't unsee it. I just didn't like it. It felt to me- We called it the flip. Like he was taking liberties when I turned my back. We did kind of go back over in our head and he did whisper to me. It was actually kind of hot. And we had sex, reclamation sex, talking about, did you like that flip? Did you want to see me do that again? Because we were processing. And you know what? You're right. You're absolutely right. About what? I'm not right. I had such a moment. Yeah. Where I almost ruined the NRE from your first experience. You did ruin it. I wasn't going to like yum your yuck. You were having troubles. I wasn't going to like fangirl over Vlad. I felt like it was a form of disrespect. But the next morning you woke up and you said, I am so sorry. I want to turn that around. And I told you for the first time, you kind of killed my NRE. I kind of curled up on that stick as hard as I could. But you said, I want you to tell me all the things you thought were great about it. And you turned it around to where by that morning, it was like- I turned that frown upside down. And I recaptured- And I think we recaptured almost all of it, right? The NRE. Because I caught it very early. I realized I was totally uncool to do that. I was not offended because I did this with Lana at least four times. Now again, she- Yeah, we did have a running joke where you had freak out moments. I had some freak out moments. At one time, we were keeping a tally. And I think we'd said something like, out of 14 times, you had like six moments where somebody like cut a fart in the room. It was bad. Like you would have a thing where, are we really going to do this right now in front of this person? Yeah, it was- It was bad. And so I would get in the car, we drive home and I would say, you can't keep doing this. It's basically, it also puts our play part in an awkward position. But you know what? In hindsight, that was just the way you were processing it. For Leo, it was pretty easy. He had the flip moment, but I think he was way more ready than I was. I was, because I visualize everything in my head ahead of time, like a director. I don't even know what he's just like, I'm ready to see this. Usually he directs it. You could sit on top of him. He'll tell the guy, why don't you, you know, they'll tell Vlad, why don't you go into her from behind? Like you visualize it. I don't, I just- I'm a big visualizer. We take very ephemeral ideas. I like that word. Wild and crazy ideas. And then we try to turn them into reality. So we will probably play with porn stars in Vegas for the AVN. And so, you know, as far as Lana went, like- Will I wear a foam head? I don't know yet, we'll see. That's like if you're gonna do it to Moli fans and you get to fuck them all. Yeah, we'd make like two bucks. Come on guys, if you had the opportunity for some really hot porn stars, you know you take the opportunity. This would be like, this is Leo. Fuck it, listen. I'm not paying for this. Where's the live leaks, okay? But he's not trying to get paid for, he just, he's like, I wanna- Yeah, I would just do it for porn stars. I want some porn stars. Yeah, I would just do it for porn stars. And then I retire from the game. You want porn girl, I want porn boy. Yeah, maybe at the same time. Fuck your list. A threesome turned into a foursome. We said we were gonna invite TikTok fuckboy because he said he was coming to the United States on Saturday and he showed us the video of him and the girl, she's probably a little older than him. And so we thought, I hope this is actually real. He's 3,000 miles away, he says he's coming to Vegas and you told me so nicely. I hope. We wanted it more than porn boy. Yeah, I'm gonna let him throw you around like a rag doll. We saw him in action and he was a good lover. He was a good fuckboy. But he said in the first contact, can she come along? Yeah. We said if it's too good to be true, 99 times out of 100, it is too good to be true. We were trying to be cautiously optimistic but we weren't gonna be disappointed. When we thought it was gonna be a threesome turned into a foursome, I said, well, I'm fine with bringing the lady, I'm used to having an extra lady and barely paying attention. I said, if you get TikTok broccoli head, that means he can do anything. And she comes over here, I guess we're gonna have a foursome. You know, they felt more like friends with benefits. Yeah. So it's a different dynamic. We weren't ready for it and I kept asking him, are you ready for that? But I would have definitely done that. And so, yeah, I haven't got my head around as much as he has because I don't visualize. We're gonna see Shy Guy. I don't even know what that's gonna look like but kind of excited. There's gonna be a full-throated experience out here. A full deep-throated experience. Because you know, the last time I made him go with my mouth. Can you imagine with me deep-throating? Oh my gosh, you know, that's like a parlor trick. Just like sporting in a club. I told you, the one other thing, if you could master deep-throating in a club, you would have a crowd of guys standing shoulder to shoulder. And then I have a geyser going on at the same time. I don't know what, it was like a push pop. It was like when you went deep enough, I was sword swallowing. It was like a hydrant that just got hit by a car. I couldn't stop it. And then you do it again. I needed like windshield wiper glasses. And you would do it again. You'd pull out because I can't breathe. And you'd go down deep again because I pulled you in, right? I'm in control at all times. So hot. And then I would geyser again. I'm like, where is all this liquid coming from? I thought I geysered all there was. We have two beds. One bed is soaking wet. Admittedly, I only have a sample size of four. Well, you saw him. Your deep-throating skills are one to rule them all. I tell you, you're so soft, you allow somebody to face fuck you and wow. That's a rare thing. I'm gonna do that after this fall. A lot of girls will say, I don't even wanna be on my back. I need to be in full control on top because of that very reason. They have gag reflexes that they, cats the kind of person she'll flip over on her back. I actually, I like, I like putting- And you're able to go to the pelvic area. I like putting my head upside down on the edge of the bed. I'm so turned on talking about this right now. I'm so in a drought right now. I have a wife who can deep-throw me. That's like, if I could suck my own cock. Can you get me some manicorns? If I woke up tomorrow in a woman's body. That's how good having a wife who deep-throats. I love it. It was a figment of your imagination. I didn't really do that. I'm a pervy husband, but you're a dirty girl. I'm naughty. I've got a Bogota boy. We're gonna have some adventures. We said, we spent the first year of our lifestyle journey. Like training wheels. And our second year really started in January of this year. So we're, you know, in that kind of second year with the training wheels. Are we eight or nine months into the training wheels coming off? And we've been speed running. And your training wheels have been off for a long time, obviously, but we were really still- We're in our second threple in a year. I know. And by the way. Threples are the good. They are the final boss. He said I get to get a threple with a guy. He wants the guy to crush on me. I want somebody to crush on you. He wants him to be full on and lovely. I don't mind the little poly light vibes. Cause it nothing lasts forever. If somebody wants to adore you. I'm waiting. I think Pusher had some words to say. And I mean, we just adore her. Yes. She adores you. I'm not gonna share what she said, but yeah, getting kind of serious. We're gonna protect her heart. Absolutely. But that's, that's how we always are. We usually err on the side of being too nice. And, you know, we're not the kind of people that have built up armor. And we go through the lifestyle jaded because we've said before that jaded is not sexy. And you know, the other thing that has changed with this whole before full after full, which has just happened now because Kat finally got on board, the full wagon. We're also more selective in the sense that we will go over and we don't lurch. So where do we go from here? We could do a whole episode about DP and DVP. Well, now we can. You've let the horse out of the barn. I have. And by the way, TLDR, DP is better than DVP in my opinion. Oh, okay. First year, we went really slow. Ridiculous training wheels. So we didn't want to make any mistakes. You're way too valuable to me. We had no kissing rules. We had my first MFM was touching. There wasn't even oral. I remember the first guy I sucked was a little bit down the road. And it worked. After the first year, training wheels came off. And now we've reached a stage where we're in sort of the third. I haven't quite wrapped my head around it. Well, because we're still in such an early stage that if I'm ever a prickly pear and I'm pouting and you get the vibes that I want to quit the lifestyle, which he said to me, I don't want to quit the lifestyle because I'm just getting started. You have let Pandora's box wide open. I did say that because you got frustrated that I was getting ghosted by guys or maybe not getting the repeats I wanted. It's been very difficult to find what I'm looking for. I think you misconstrued what my and you said I want to quit. Feeling was. And I thought I was saying that I was going to give up playing with all of the single gals just to show solidarity with you. I felt like you were just saying you wanted to quit. And I thought, what about me? It's my time. No, I don't like seeing you struggle through the emotional roller coaster of up and down. Can you imagine if we went full with Edward? We're going to go back to Rome. And we see he's in our phone. Europeans have a fascination with Americans. Often, which is probably younger. Why Bogota boy? He's actually from France. He's in Bogota in college doing studies or something. He's French. So that's what he's giving to me. 40 seconds. He's talking to me in French, like some really dirty stuff. I bet if we popped into Rome and we reached out to him, I bet he would make an appearance and you could let him know that our boundaries have expanded just a little bit. Oh my God, that would be so hot. I think I could get my head around that one. Maybe we'd film it. Edward. Oh, I love it. So we're going to have some adventures and you guys are going to ride along. We popped our cherry. And hopefully, those of you that are out there who have mixed feelings hearing that Kat and Leo are moving on to another stage. You go at your own pace. And don't forget to tell you. Don't let that deter you. I hope we've given you some kind of voice to feel like you can go however slow you want. I mean, Leo waited 14 months. I waited 24 months. Is that a decent amount of time? I feel like we did a pretty good job. We held out for a long time. I'm proud. Let's go get the next phase of our lifestyle journey started. And let's have some fantastic MFMs. Shotgun. Fantastic MFFs, starting with Shy Guy a week from now. And then we'll see Pocher, Pocher the long. Me! Ha ha ha! Let's celebrate. Let's celebrate. Let's celebrate. It's all about you. It's all about you. It's all about you. So if you liked what you heard, go ahead and either subscribe or I didn't know how that worked. 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