"Oscar Isaac"

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What do you guys call it when you say, you know, when you're scheduling something, you're like, I can't, I've got, I've got, I'm doing a pod, I'm doing a record. I'm doing a record. How do you refer to what we're doing right now when you talk to other people? I just record, I say record, I say record. I say record, or sometimes I say, oh, I have to record a smartless, I got a smartless. What do you say? I've said, I've said pod a couple of times and it feels terrible. Yeah, of course it does. What sounds terrible? Yeah. Hey, what about the three of us get to put our chest and faces on each other on Sunday for the first time in forever? What do you got? What do you mean you're all going to have dinner on Sunday? Yeah. All right, good. I don't think Amanda's going. Amanda's not. So I actually have an out, but I was thinking since you guys are going to be there. Well, you better be there. Yeah. So I'm going to be solo too this Sunday. So it's going to be, so we're going to have, yeah, Jason, will you be? Yeah. Do you want me to wear something special? Yeah. I want you to pick me up. I want you to pick and open my door. And I'm going to wear that thing that you, that I was asked for. No, I got it. No, I got it. Hey, we saw, we missed you last night. I was over there, Willie, last night with Jay. You were? Yeah, just for a quick bite. Quick bite. How was that? Yeah, it was good. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So you guys, well, I get, well, we're having dinner tonight. That's right. Me and Willie are having dinner. So you guys going to go to jar? It doesn't matter. Yes. How did you know that? Truly. Yeah. You want to go or no? Well, we're going to see each other Sunday. You can come, come. Thank you. It's going to be fun. Yeah. Because I haven't hung out with Carolyn yet really. So, oh, sorry. Can I say that? Oh boy. Well, the internet's saying it. We can. I don't know. Wait, what did we talk about last night, Jay? Oh yeah. We talked about, hey, Will, have you seen this alter ego thing I was talking about at the table where it's a new device. It's like an AI device and you put it in the back of your ear. Yeah, listen to this. This sounds like a nightmare. And all whenever, whatever you think of it translates into audio. Text. Yeah, audio text. You imagine that? Like basically having a microphone on in your brain. That's a nightmare. Yeah. I mean, only if you turn it on, like you, you don't, it's not like you do. You know, I would, I would venture to say people would pay thousands and thousands of dollars to have that eliminated if that was something that was stuck on. Most people imagine if most things, thoughts were vocalized, the jails would be full. And they'd empty their accounts to get rid of it. Yeah. But I mean, it's, it's volunteer. You don't, it's not like stuck to your head. And I'm just saying they're going to have a tough time. Kill JB, kill JB, kill JB, kill JB, kill JB. Hey, pay us money for this new device. That sounds like a, like I hope Jason misses this part. I hope Jason misses this part. Hey, did I, did I leave to abruptly last night? No, you actually triggered a mass exodus, which was fantastic. We all left right after that. It was, I, I, you know, wait, wait, wait, what do we all, how many, what are we talking about? 15, 20, 25 people. No, it was like eight, six people, eight people. What? Hang on a second. Wait a second. Pump the brakes. What was I left out of? This was, this was a, this was a specific little bite. It's a bite and smile. It was a bite and smile. And I don't know these people. It, it exactly. Not, not very well at all. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, but we also did, yeah. You have a guest today. I do. I know we're going to get right to it. I was going to share one more thing, but that, no. I'd love to hear it. Loader, you worked on material. Go ahead. I'm not, it's, it's a, okay. Here we go. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want to hear it. No, no, it was just that, it was that topic, that whole thing about, you know, men and women and like sexual opportunities. So like I asked all the women at the table, like if a, if a guy came to the door and there was the best looking guy in the world, would you and, and he propositions you whether, you know, politely or impolitely, whatever it was, just based on looks, would you go for it? And of course, unanimously, every girl around the table was like, no, I would never do that. I think you can be much more specific than that. You can, you can, you can say what the actual thing was. Well, it was, it was, it was like if a guy, if a, if a, like, drop dead gorgeous, unbelievable guy was at your door and he should like expose himself, but not really like, but like in a, in a, or answered in a robe or something. And of course every girl was like, no, that's disgusting. That's weird and bizarre and not, and then, but conversely, all the gay guys and the straight guys were like, yeah, I would totally go for that. Meaning if it was the opposite, if the door opened and a woman had her robe open, the guy would say, oh yeah, cool. If I come in, you know, as opposed to the, and I guess Sean was making a statement about the difference in sex. It reminds me, it reminds me of this old joke that my grandfather had and this is almost a dad joke, but it's worse. It's a grandfather joke, which is a guy's on a desert island and he, there by himself for years and years and years and years and this beautiful woman comes out of the surface. She's got her, she's wearing a wetsuit and she says, when was the last time you had a nice cold beer? And he's like, oh my God, it's been forever. And she reaches in her wetsuit and pulls out a beer and he chugs it down and she goes, when was the last time that you had a smoke? And he was like, over the years and she's like pulls out a cigarette lights and he's like, oh my God, it's incredible. And then she looks at him and she goes, when was the last time you played around? And he goes, you got golf clubs in there? That's a good one. It's a grandfather joke. But Shawnee told me a great grandfather joke, granddad joke. There were really dad jokes on it. Was it the cat? Yeah. How do, maybe Sean should tell it. I kind of punched up the reading a little bit. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, it's what is it? Well, how does a cat like its steak? Rare. Oh my God. I can't even. It's not, it's so not even funny. No. All right. You got to have a little tidy claws up. Would you do it too? Oh, that'll help it. We're done. Guys, we're so silly. We're over. We're over time already. All right. Look, look, we got a guy. We got a guy here. We just thank our guest now. We'll apologize first. He's a big deal, guys. I might geek out a little bit. I'm a huge fan. He was born in Guatemala and then he kind of ping-ponged around the United States as a kid while his dad finished his medical residency. He almost joined the Marines before making a sharp pivot to Juilliard. He spent most of his teens in Florida playing bass and singing in a skype. He played a lot of music. He played a lot of music. He played a lot of music. He played a lot of music. He was in his teens in Florida playing bass and singing in a skype punk band, including one that opened for Green Day. But now he's won a Hollywood's most versatile actors, playing everything from a folk singer, mad genius tech guy, a rebel pilot, a superhero, a Shakespearean royalty. He's ridiculously talented. Absolute joy to watch. One of my favorite actors of all time, Oscar Isaac. Whoa. Oscar Isaac. Oscar Isaac. He had an absolute slump. He slumped. Oscar. See the claws. I'm so telling my six-year-old this joke when I was told this was a... You know what? Okay, rolling speed and action. Let's see your reading on rare. He's like, I can't. That's gonna be hard to beat, man. That's gonna be hard to beat. I think the claws are definitely necessary. You need the little kitten claws. Yeah, Sean's got great dad jokes. You got any dad jokes, Oscar? Uh... No, my heart's pounding. You guys are so fast and so funny and so intimidating with your speed of wit. Oh, no, no, no. You should read what people say about me on this thing. They're so sick of me at some point. No, no, no. I'm sick of me. Oscar, pleasure. I'm really happy. You know, because there was a moment there, I remember during the pandemic where I think there was a moment where it's like, oh, can I come and do the show way back then? And I was stuck down there. Oh, really? Yeah. You've been on my list to be on the show since day one. Yeah, you've been on my list. But you have not stopped working on the greatest things that this business has to offer since then and before. Yeah. Well done. It's true. I'm so, so happy every time I see you in something, I get more of you. And I just watched Frankenstein last night. You did? Yeah. What are you saying? You got home from the dinner and watched Frankenstein? No, I'm sorry, during the day yesterday, not last night. Oh, thanks for the phone call. Sorry. But wait, but, and we're going to get to that, but Oscar, holy moly, man, that your performance was incredible. I'm so excited to see that. I know, I'm so excited. I mean, just incredible. I don't know how you do it, but anyway, listen, thanks for being here. I'm guessing when we met a couple of years ago, you could probably feel what a big fan I was. Oh, no, no, no, Oscar, you describe it from your side, what happened. No, it was at the awards dinner. Yeah, no, no, it was, I think before that it was the Lin-Manuel Miranda kind of things that he does in the street. Right. Right. And then we all had to like go out, if you're initially. You have to erase that. It turns out he's erased that from his memory. I have a notoriously terrible memory of all things I did. Especially like an over stimulated moment like that, which was insane. Yeah, I know, me too. I'm like, so insane. But you were so sweet at the, what was the award? I don't even remember what the. Sony awards? No, no, no. fades fades fades fades fades fades fades fades lights on. I mean, this is a new kind of dinner theater where everybody's eating, including the cast. And then let's get to Sean coming over and doing the offensive, whatever it was. Yeah, I sure was. Was it about June? Was it about, what was it about? Star Wars? Star Wars? Maybe it was a Star Wars thing, but we were across the street from each other. Yeah. You were doing Oscar, you were the triumphant, the much celebrated play. Oh, sure. The marginally tolerated play across the way. Sydney Bruce Dean. Yeah. And it was cool to be up there. That was my first time doing Broadway. And it was kind of by happens. Really? Yeah, yeah, because we were doing this. What about Hamlet? That was at the public. Oh, I didn't know that much. Which is what, technically off Broadway? Yeah, that's off Broadway. Yeah, but anyway, I just, huge fan. But I want to talk about, I had no idea you played instruments and like inside, oh my God. Lou and Lou. Yeah, Lou and Lou. Incredible. Is that you really playing in the movie too? Yeah. And was that a requirement that Coen Brothers wanted? They did. They actually were mostly, at first they were just auditioning musicians. I had no idea you were a musician. That's so crazy. Yeah, well, and so I played, I mean, I didn't play folk music necessarily, or like that kind of style. And so when I knew, when I heard that they were gonna be auditioning for, I just really went in hardcore on learning like Travis picking and doing all that. And it was, yeah. What's Travis picking? Travis picking is kind of like, it's almost like a rag, like rag time on piano, where you know, the left hand is doing the bass line and the right hand is doing the melody. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Shawnee, can you do that? Boom, boom, boom. Yeah, it's called stride piano. Yeah, stride piano. Yeah, so it's, you're kind of doing that with a guitar where the thumb is doing the bass line. Oh, really? These guys are just playing the melody. Oh my God. Difficult? Man. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like, yeah, it's like almost like the drumming where you have to kind of get some separation between the things. Jason, I saw you drumming in a music video yesterday. Is that, do you want to comment on that? What? What is that? Wait, was it the... It must have been a black rabbit or a Jason music video. Oh, right, oh that, yes. Yeah, it just popped up yesterday and I just saw you hammering the wind on the skins. On your Instagram? On my Instagram. Do you see that? Yeah, it's a crazy little thing. I saw the first episode of that. You're so great at Jason, man. So you're so kind of effortless. Can I tell you last night, I haven't started yet, because I want to binge it all in a row, I think when I watched it this weekend. And I had, but Bradley texted me last night, he watched the final text was at 3.30 this morning. He sent me a nice text. Saying, I just finished black rabbit, it's incredible. It's unbelievable. And then he called me this morning, he's like, Bateman, literally, this is not exaggeratory. Bateman is an incredible actor. I can't, I know. I had seen in the car with the coins and the reaction to the gun, he was like, get it out of my face. It was so funny and real, it was so great. I love that, he's so good. Oscar, back to you. I want to talk about your memory because I'm wondering if I have Alzheimer's or is it just us actors that, well, although Will is an anomaly, he can remember everything. Mary Lou Henner's brother. But do you think that our brains have morphed into a one trick pony where we can just remember lines? And everything else, it decides, I can't have this. And it itself edits things that are not going to our bottom line. I still know all these Shakespeare monologues, but I can't, I think it's like, maybe it's like this anxiety, the moment there's even a slight doubt about a memory, it just erases or a person's name or anything. Like the second there's a hesitation, it goes. Do you have face blindness at all? I have a little bit of that. Where you just like, I do. I'm just like, my husband, Scotty's like, you've met that person like 20 times. I'm like, really? And it's horrible, it's a horrible thing. I think it is that thing. It's like a hiccup that happens and then you're like, ah, it's like a paralysis. Yeah, I have a good memory, but I do have that too, Sean. It's not face blindness, but I can't remember. Me and people say we met or we know each other or we did the thing like that. That part of my brain is completely cut off. But I can remember. But like, you know, like February of 2003, you can remember. Yeah, that's crazy. February 2003, I auditioned for a rest of development. And that was in February. How would you? Jesus, but like November 2018, you probably know what was going on. Yeah, I do. November 2018, I went to England for six days. That's fucking nuts. That's crazy. That is crazy. I don't get that. The brain is amazing. But then there are certain parts of it that I can't remember. And I can also remember dialogue as well, Oscar. And I can remember also through, I guess from like voiceover stuff over the years, I can remember copy from voiceover campaigns that I did 30 years ago. Here comes the GMC tie-in guys. Well, no, no, no, GMC. I need to see the video. I did it this morning. Was anything professional grade this morning? No, but you can get 0% and all 2025 GMC terrain 18 years. Good Lord. That river doesn't damn itself. Okay, Oscar, I want to talk about your, so not only did I not know that you played in a band and sang in a band called The Worms, right? One of the names of the bands. The Worms? What kind of music was it? Ska. Yeah, like Ska punk, right. Oh, boy, I can smell the weed from here. There we go. This was before I wasn't drinking or like, I didn't drink alcohol till like 24 years old. So I was like, I was straight edge. Really? Oh, wow. I was, yeah, like I didn't, so I was always the odd one out. But how did you go, how did you do that thing where you, because Sean said it in the intro, in eloquently, that you were in a band and you were in Ska bands and that, and then you all of a sudden go to Juilliard. Was that one day like, you're like, hey guys, I'm out of the band, I'm going to Juilliard? Like, I'm like, I'm like, kind of. Really, really? For real? Well, a little bit, but you can do it straight from Marines to Juilliard, which was, it was, I was, yeah, yeah, I mean, a little bit. Were you driving a moped with a raccoon tail on it when you were playing the band? And suspenders? Yeah. Yeah, really? I'll bet you are. I kind of remember those. How many times have you seen Quadrophenia? No, sorry, keep going. Yeah, no, I had graduated high school, I was in this different band called The Blinking Underdogs. And we, surprise that, Clare, no one had that, huh? Nobody had it. They had the blinkers, they had the underdogs, but they didn't have the blinking underdogs. And just so you know, Oscar, I was in a band called Sounds from the Stairs. So it's all, all the names are, so keep going. Yeah, yeah, Blinking Underdogs. That's pretty good. So many different band names, but yeah, and so I came up to New York to do this off, off, off, off Broadway play. While you were in the band? Yeah, yeah, and we were touring, but Florida, we didn't really get out of Florida. And this was kind of as the third wave was cresting and kind of coming down of Scott, right? And, and when, when did you start Closet Heterosexuals? That was the third band. That was, that was before Scott. That was hardcore, that was a hardcore band. Okay, that was hardcore. Okay, got it. CH. CH, is that what you called it? And now you, do you still collect guitars? Cause I know you collect guitars. Wait, Sean, Sean, he's telling a story about how he went to New York to do the play. What are we doing over here? Well, no, I went to do the play and then I was up there and I passed by Julia and I was like, ah, Julia, let me, let me go in there and see, see what's up. And I asked, yeah, yeah. And I asked for an application and they said that the deadline was due already. This was like a Tuesday and it had been due Friday and I kind of like schmooze the lady. And I was like, can I just take it back? And she's like, well, take it. Maybe you could turn it in next year. And I went home that night and I filled it all out and I came back the next day and she took it and like, you know, posted it. What else did you have to do to get it? Was there, was there an audition process? Yeah, then there was a, then there was a whole audition process. Well, I had to come back and. Do you like a monologue? Do a couple monologues and do like a movement class and a dance belt and a, wear a dance belt or while you have it, you have it in your dance. Did you have to, you had that rare dance belt collection. Did you, did you confirm? I don't have guitars, but I have a great dance belt collection. Were you able to confirm that the other applicants had to wear the dance belt? The funny thing, no, the dance belt thing actually was not about the audition, but the first day of when you got in, they're like, this is what you have to do. And I remember I went in with my dance belt and nobody else had put on a dance belt. We got another one. 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All right, so what, so Will's point, okay, so, but how did you, where did you, so you were in this band, but you always had this kind of inkling to act in like- Yeah, I was doing plays, I was doing plays in Miami as well. So I was doing both at the same time, all the time. And where did the Marines come in? That was the guy, the sax player of the worms. He and I just got really good, his dad was a Navy SEAL, and so we started talking about going in, being, getting like buff and, and just like going in on the buddy system, because you could do the buddy system at that time. Which is what? What's a buddy system? The buddy system is that you go in with a buddy and then you get to do all of basic training with your pal. No way. With your buddy, you get to do the whole thing. So like, that sounds great. I feel like it just sounds rad. I mean, it sounds so fun, right? You gotta do pull-ups and push-ups and all this stuff. Like, it's gonna be great. The thought that you even thought that you could like, I would never occur to me, I wouldn't even look it up, cause I'm like, I'm not getting anywhere close to that. Right, you're gonna get kicked out when you enter the barracks. But then they're like, and then I said, you know, oh, and I'll go in for combat photography. I had watched, you know, Full Metal Jacket. And I'm like, yeah, like be a combat photographer. And so we started doing the training, like you would meet up every weekend and start like doing the training with some of the Marines, like an early training. So you did that? Yeah, yeah, and I even went and I did the, you go to like a hotel and they do all like your examinations and health stuff. And you take your first oath and there's like a second oath that you have to do. Wow. And then I, and when I first signed up, I remember they gave me a pamphlet that had all like the famous Marines, like the artsy Marines, like Brian Dennehy and, I forget who else. Oh yeah. And I was like, I was like, great. And then I went to sign up, like when I actually really had to sign up, I was going to go in as a reservist. And I was like, I'm here for combat photography. They're like, oh no, that's just full time. And I said, well, what can I do instead? And they said, anti-tank. And I was like, so against the tank? Yeah. I'm like, how do I get in the tank? All right, I'm going to think about that. Let me just think about it. And then the sax player quit the band and said he and I weren't really close anymore. So I lost my buddy. And then we got enough money. And then we got enough money to like record an album that summer, like to record our own like CD. Right. And so I was like, I think I'm not going to do it. Oh wow. She did not go through the basic training. No, no, I didn't go through any of that. Wait, so, but then you, so I want to go back to the thing cause I didn't know you collected guitar. So you, how many guitars do you have? I don't really collect guitars. I mean, I have some guitars, you know. But you told the Cone brothers you did all that. Seven. Seven's pretty good. Seven, seven guitars. Seven, seven guitars. That's a collection. Yeah. Was that the last audition you were on? The last audition I ever did was for Hudson Sucker Proxy. Whoa. Yeah. So it was for the Cone brothers. I mean, I'd read today for the Cone brothers. Yeah. Was that the last audition you've ever done? No, my last, my last audition was for Mike Nichols. Really? For Betrayal on Broadway. Oh wow. Yeah. Wow. When was that? Terribly. It was 2014. I remember I came in and I had like listened to a lot of Harold Pinter to kind of do his accent. And I was going through a divorce at the time. So I was like, man, I'm feeling this thing. Yeah. I'm not sure where the play, but it's very much about that and fidelity and all that. Yeah. And so I got there and Juliet Rylance was the reader. She's a great, great actress, Mark Rylance's daughter. Yeah. And I did the first scene and Mike Nichols was quiet. And he goes, where'd you get that accent? Oh, damn it. Where'd I get it? He was like, yeah, where'd you get it? And I was like, oh, I was listening to Pinter. I was listening to some recordings and kind of trying to do that. He's like, oh, yeah. Well, I guess different English people sound differently. And I was like, huh. And then when we do the next scene, so I did the next scene. And then he goes, would it make you sad to do this play every night? What is that mean? And I was like, trick question, how do you answer that? And I was like, I'm just gonna be honest. Like, you know what? I was reading it on the subway ride over here. And yeah, you know, I'm kind of going through something right now and I feel really connected to like the grief of that and the pain of that. And I feel like, yeah, it would definitely be, you know, delving into that night by night. And then Juliet Rylance got bluster. She's like, but also fun too, right? I was like, oh, yeah, no, but also so fun. I mean, come on. So fun doing this all the way with you. It'd be so fun. Yeah. And then they're like, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. And then I, yeah. And then I walked out and who got it? Do you remember who got it? Rafe's Rafe Spall. Okay. Yeah. Rafe Spall. And they did the play, they did the play as a comedy. As well. So the right answer would have been the opposite of. Yeah. The right answer was, yeah, was the opposite. Yeah. But the trick question is just tell me like what, I want to do this at a comedy. So yeah, okay, then it'd be fun. I know. Okay. So born in Guatemala, which I did not know either. And then Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami, six years old. Sean, is this question going to make you sad? Yes. But also fun. I'm going to have a blast asking it. All right, keep going, keep going, keep going. Wait, all that moving around before you were six years old. And why? Because your dad, that's what I read that he was doing his medical something. Is that all because of your dad? Yeah. I mean, also just like that. Yeah. The immigrant story of like, you know, coming of America for a better life. And so he grew up in DC, he's Cuban, he was born in Cuba, but grew up in DC. And then went to medical school in Guatemala. He had his two brothers and that's where he met my mom. And then they had my sister. And then, yeah, then I was born in like a week as I was six months old. And then we moved to DC first, like Virginia, Baltimore area, the kindergarten there, then Louisiana, because he went to LSU for his residency. And then Florida where we have family and his mom was there and we lived with my grandma for a bit. And then. And eventually it became a doctor, yeah. Yeah. Was there any pressure on you to follow in his footsteps or did he fully embrace the actor thing? No, he kind of, he was also a bit of a frustrated artist. No, he would make movies with his brothers on a eight millimeter camera. And that's what the initial spark was for you too? Yeah. Yeah, he would like bring home every Friday was like a movie night and he would bring home these like mystery movies that we'd watch. And then he bought a camcorder and we'd make like home movies. So he must've been kind of thrilled when you kind of got into this a little bit. Yeah, he was into it. He was into it until I became competent. He was a politician. Ah, ha, ha. Is he still with us? He's still with us. And so he must be so proud. Yeah, I brought him to the Frankenstein premiere and invented. Oh, that's so cool. Which was good. Do you remember who the first actor was that he showed you that you kind of latched onto? And I was like, oh, I'd like to have those chops when I'm older. Tim Curry. Yeah. Oh, really? That's cool. Because I remember I saw, he showed, we watched Clue. Uh-huh, I love that movie. And then we watched Legend. Uh-huh, I love that movie. And then when I realized it was the same fucking guy. What about Rocky Horror? Yeah, well then Rocky Horror after that. No, though Dad didn't bring that one home from movie. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But man, like I just, I couldn't believe that that was the same guy. And I noticed it because the way that his lip curled at one point, it was like the devil. And you went like, oh my God. Yeah, oh, you can, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about, you have to jump around, sorry, but what about, how about Cuba? I've always been fascinated with Cuba. Have you been able to go there since your dad is in? I haven't been, you know, I haven't been, you know, like I grew up in Miami, Cuba, world, which is like everyone's so traumatized and afraid and it's so complicated. But I've wanted to go, we almost went, when Lewy and Davis came out actually, we were gonna go to the film festival, then at the last minute it didn't happen. But it's definitely a place I wanna go. What is the current, I feel so dumb. You can't go there freely. You opened up for a moment. Yeah. You were in Obama and then closed up and now it's closed. Closed up and then you're in Cuba. Well, like as an American, like Canadians go, I know that a lot of Canadians go there on holiday all the time, there are lots of flights. I know. Was that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. To Cuba? Yeah. I mean, why would you wanna go? Like, because it's beautiful or? Oh, there's our quote for the day. There it is. I mean, fuck you. Enjoy your vacation. I mean, it's an incredible play. How many demographics are you trying to get rid of at once, man? You know, I just didn't know what the draw was. Like I know what the draw is. It's beautiful. It's got incredible culture. It's got a lot of shit. Okay, okay, okay. I just didn't know what the draw is. Like, hey, I can't wait to go to Cuba. They feel the same way about you and the mall. What's the injury? What does it go to the mall all the time? Yeah. It's okay. So anyway, Oscar. So I grew up super, super Catholic. You grew up very, is it safe to say evangelical or Christian or evangelical? Now let's get into religion. No, I think it's fascinating because, you know, because you were like devout. We're talking spiritual abuse. Yeah, totally. Totally, I love talking about it. We don't have to talk about it, but I love talking about it. Do, do, because I know zero about religion. Please educate in those. I mean, you know, it's, there's some wonderful Catholics. There's some wonderful Christians. And then there's the ones that are beyond hypocritical. But do you guys know, like, what is the difference between Catholic, Christian, evangelical, Episcopalian, Protestant, Methodist, Lutheran? They're all Christian. They're all into this big umbrella of Christianity, right? But how, what is the, is there a singular difference that separates each one of them? Like as far as interpretation of the Bible goes or yes? Yes. Okay. Yeah, I guess that's- Short answer. But is it like an identify, like, could it be a Jeopardy question? Like what is the single difference between Lutheran and Episcopalian? Is it one? Put it this way, like the Episcopal Church came from his Church of England, right? And it was established as a, as a sort of an offshoot of Catholicism because Henry VIII wanted to be able to divorce his wife. Jesus Christ. So he established the Church of England. And Martin Luther. And then, and so of course it's a little bit different. It's kind of like, a lot of people describe Church of England as sort of Catholic light without all the pageantry. That's a sort of a simplistic view. And then there are all these different, yeah. Yeah, and Catholicism, there's a lot more intercessors, I guess is the word, you know, like the saints and people that he prayed to, and like you said, the pageantry, which to go to Frankenstein is a very Catholic Mexican. Look at this pro. Look at this pro. And version of it. But he talks about it very much in that way, you know? The Christ figure, like the forensic nature of the crucifixion. How about in the movie when the monsters up on that thing, it was just shy of being a Christ. No, we called it the crucifixion. There's even a thorn, you know, the metal thorns on the head. No, totally. I thought it was cool, but was that a conscious choice of Guillermo or whoever to not make it a specific cross, but just at an angle? Have it a little bit. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah. I caught that. It was an accident. Now, is working with Guillermo del Toro everything that you would hope and think that it is? He just strikes me as just such an infectiously enthusiastic and kind leader, not to mention his creative abilities are just unmatched. Yeah. Yeah, it was, I was like a kid. There was just so much joy. It was so much, so much fun. It was this particular approach to it too. I mean, while he was writing it, he's like, I'm not making you a banquet. And he really did. It was just like a feast of stuff to do every day. We only spoke in Spanish to each other. Oh, that's cool. He would direct in jokes mostly, like dirty Mexican jokes, but also in like, and he was just an ebulant, really funny. There was no whispering behind monitors. It was like, if there was a problem, everybody knew it. If something was great, everybody knew it. Oh, that's amazing. It was just really, really fun. He would, and it's like zero pretension whatsoever. He'd be like, I need a lot of jamon on this one. He's like, jamon with mustard and mayonnaise to make it go down easy. I just need you to look up and look right past the camera and hold it. Or he'd be like, I need you to do the Maria Cristina, which is like a telenovela thing. He's like, I need you to be in profile and then walk across a counter to him and then stop and turn around and look. Right, super traffic. He's like, just give it to me. Give this, make this one Mexican happy. You know, wow. I love that. The scope of the movie is so massive. How long was the shoot? I mean, it spanned nearly eight months. Wow. There was a two month break where he shot miniatures in London. We shot it in Toronto and in the UK, Scotland. Yeah, in Crown. When you do something like that with a director like that who has such a vision, right? And he has such a, but from what I understand from you, also a very collaborative spirit. Do you, not to get sort of too, but when you are in that, your ability, what are the sort of the parameters or are there any of sort of bringing stuff in your thoughts and feeling like you can just go out on a limb with a guy like him? Is it just pretty wide open in that way? It is. Like that was the one thought when I was going into it. I was like, I know he's an animator. I know like the visual language is so precise. And so I, you know, I went in expecting like, all right, the constraints are gonna be tight, but that's the job. But he actually was in a very different, he talks about like making the movie with Bradley, really shifted him. Like it really opened him up in like an amazing way. Nightmare alley. Yeah, nightmare alley. He credits him a lot with like, just him learning how to listen to the movie. He would talk a lot about that while we were shooting it, just like the movie kind of tells you what it needs. In fact, at one point I was saying like, I don't, you know, I find myself like, am I not shaking it up enough? Am I not like being kind of dangerous enough and going out on a limb enough? And he's like, no, that's an idea. It's like the movie kind of tells you what it needs. And however you're responding is what it's needing. If it's needing you to be this way, then don't second guess that so much. He gave a lot of feeling to all of us of like, you can't fail. I wrote this stuff for you. It's, there's nothing to like reach for. Right. Which was great. And also, but you know, but also it was a very, it's a very specific kind of performance. He said, you know, it's not naturalistic. It's heightened. I want the speed of language, speed of thought. There's not a lot of pausing for you guys. It's kind of high camp and high melodrama and just all heart. Like that's what he wants. Yeah. All heart for sure. So he was really specific about the tone before you guys got started. Yeah. That's helpful. God, that's really helpful, I bet. For sure. And did he, did he, did he attempt to sort of give you a taste for that collectively by doing any sort of like table reads ahead of time or rehearsals in a group on like around a table? No, he didn't want to do that so much. We did have one big table read with like the execs and all that. And that was it. I mean, he, you know, cause he was quite protective of the script as he was writing it. You know, I think partly out of just like a little insecurity as well. I got my shirts quite there yet. And so he kept adjusting and I mean, every day he was working. Like even behind the monitor, he was drawing his storyboards. He would be quilting the movie as we went along. Like sometimes you would do a take and he would like put it right into the flow of the edit. So he would just show you. Like we did the last scene of the movie and the next day he came in with, you know, Johan Johansson music on it and showed the edited scene to me. How did you like that? Or how did it affect what you were doing? Well, I mean, that example in particular was interesting because it was the last scene of the movie. And so I wanna try to talk about it without giving too much away of it. It's like a highly emotional crescendo of the whole thing. And I spent the day like in the zone, like listening to all my sad sack music and looking at pictures of sad times, doing like the full anti-Mike Nichols moment. And this is in the Arctic. This is in the Arctic, right? Yeah, in the ship. And, you know, and like did, you know, and I went in and like didn't talk to anybody and lay down and we did this scene and there was tears and everybody was really happy and Guillermo was, you know, high five and all we got it. And then the next day he showed it to me and I was like, I don't really buy it. Like me, me. I was like, was that take five? I thought take five was the good take. He's like, let's take five cover on. I was like, I don't think that's take five. And then we looked and it wasn't take five, but then take five wasn't that much better either. Was it because you think that you came in with too much of that, too much of this and not listening to this? Check out what happened. So then I was sitting there and then Guillermo comes over and he's like, what's wrong? I was supposed to just do like a little insert of my hand, like grabbing his hand. And he's like, what's wrong? And I was like, I don't know, man. I'm feeling a little insecure. And he's like, well, you are an actor. I was like, I know, I know, but I just feel like, should I have looked up maybe when I said sorry? Should I have done, yeah, I just, and he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Those were all ideas. You know, you were honest and you thought about your mom and you thought about all these things and that was there. And I was like, all right, okay. And then I went away for like 30 minutes and I was like, oh, I just have to be a dead body for the rest of the day. And I came back and he had set up a whole different thing. And I was like, what are we doing? He's like, we're gonna do it again. We're gonna do your close up again. And he's like, you know what? From yesterday. From yesterday. And he's like, you know what? It's okay. Like we're gonna see if, you know, we definitely have something. If you don't have anything, that's okay. I'll just make fun of you for the rest of your life. Win, win. And so like really quickly I'm like throwing on my ear pods to try to like find a song to get me sad again. Like I'm trying to do all the shit. And I just, I didn't have any time. I like lay down and we did it. And we did like four takes and it was way better. Just like, I didn't have time to try to like evoke anything. Or like it was like more sober. It was more severe. It just was like, it was just was. You didn't have to bring a preconceived idea of what it should be as opposed to just letting it be. Yeah. And that's what's in the film, you know? I love that. We'll be right back. Some people in life are truly one of a kind. Always surprising you, always becoming more themselves over time. Somehow they just get more interesting. Funnier even year after year. Celebrating them deserves something just as unique as they are. That's where desert tone diamonds come in. 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And now back to the show. So, but that adjustment in your performance came as a result of you watching what you were doing, and are you good about that? Cause I'm sure you've worked as many actors as we have. But some actors, they just, they don't watch themselves. They can't watch themselves. I learned so much from seeing how bad I am sometimes. It's like, oh, don't do that anymore, or you think it's coming across this way, but it actually comes across a different way. I asked Christoph Waltz, who's on it, right? It's like a legend. I asked him specifically about that, and he's like, he doesn't watch. He's like, because it's okay if you watch and you think it's not good, but the bad thing is when you watch and you think it's good, you know? And like that can be way worse. Why is that bad? Because then it's cut together and you're like, oh, maybe it wasn't that great. Or there's just like a self consciousness, or you think, you know, it's just, for him, but this was, but there's many times when I've watched something and I'm like, I can do it better and I just, and I can't, you know? It's, it's in, so I don't know, man. I don't know, but that was, there was a moment there after that happened, where I was like, well, I'm just gonna have to watch every fucking tank or every single thing. I just said, no, you know, it, I think, yeah. It's, for me, it's not like a definitive thought of like one or the other. I've also asked a bunch of people this question as well, but with all the- Are you single? Yeah. And what is your sign? And you're rising. With the incredible directors that you've worked with, do you ever fantasize about cherry picking from each one of them and becoming a smoking director yourself? Yeah, sometimes, yeah. I mean, I thought originally that's what I kind of was more into, like I came into like acting from like making movies with friends and doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think about this sometimes. Oh, that would be incredible. Yeah, you'd be incredible. Please do. You'd be great. I mean, I think about sometimes, I wanna do, do you have an idea in your mind of something that's kind of back there? I don't. That's why I'm like, until that thing happens where it's like, I, you know, I think until that happens, what scares me a little bit is just, I'm incredibly indecisive as just a human being. Like even with a menu or with anything, I just give, I get just crippled. Like, I don't know. So like someone being like, red shirt or blue shirt. I'd be like, ah, I don't know. Oh yeah. But, but I guess it's also a conversation. It's like, I don't know. So, you know, so kind of looking at it, maybe it's more of a conversation than a decision. It's very meaningful. Right, right, right. How do you do that, Jason? I mean, you, when somebody told me once, it's okay to say you don't know, it freed me up a lot. Like that's actually a great, a great answer when they come to you with all those thousands of questions. You say, I'm gonna come back to you on that. Give me a second to think about that. Yeah, it's okay to do that. Yeah. It's a lot of the. You mean in live show, you're saying? Yeah. I know, I mean it. I'm being serious. Yeah, yeah. I think it's a really important life. I do it too. Also when people go out, they want an answer. I'm like, well, I, somebody told me like, I don't have to answer them on their timeline. That's right. Yeah. I only learned it in like last 10 years. I don't know. I learned it a year ago. I don't know what that word means. I don't know what you're talking about. What can you repeat what you just said? Like, I don't care anymore. But the, I want to get back to, I don't care about being perceived as like this. No, I understand what you're saying. You know what? You're not. It's actually helped me with like the not remembering people. Like I just go out on a limb and I'll, I'll think, I think your name is this. Oh no. If I'm wrong. It's okay. They say, they say, no, it's not Kathy. It's Melissa. And I'm like, sorry. I go, I go a step further, Oster. I go, I think your name should be this. Yeah. Sign a name. Wait. So a little more of your, of your personal stuff. Oscar, if you don't mind like your wife is this Elvira Lin. She's beautiful, talented, incredible documentary filmmaker. Really? Yeah. She's incredible. Incredible. And she, I just saw the trailer and I did not know this until I was researching you for King Hamlet, which I can't wait to watch. It's you playing, it's it, it, what is it? Is it the making of the play Hamlet? And it's following you around from, about the process from rehearsal to, is that what it is? Yeah. So in 2017, it was this crazy confluence of things that happened where my mother passed away in February. We got married in March in April, our first child was born. And in April, I started rehearsals for Hamlet, like this four hour version of Hamlet. This thing that I was working on for like 12 years. And so her being a documentary filmmaker and having a new baby and like just kind of not knowing how to process this, she's from Denmark too. And she's kind of thrust into this whole other world of stuff. She just started picking up a camera and started filming. Around that time, before that, we were also filming, like I would play music and she would like film little music videos and we would put them on the MEO and stuff. And so it was kind of a natural extension of that. And so she just started filming because the idea was she was gonna film some of the making of this project. And when all this stuff started happening, she just kept filming. So like when I went down to my mom for hospice, she was kind of there and I told her, the only way we can do this is if it's okay, if this never sees the light of day as well. And she said, yeah, of course, of course, I don't even know what I'm doing. I'm just filming because I don't know what the fuck else to do. And so that's what we did. And she filmed this whole process and then put it away. And then about a year ago, took out the hard drives and started looking through it and started piecing it together with her great editor that she's worked with. And then she kind of came up with this kind of beautiful movie about what kind of what we do, right? Which is how you deal with your life and how those things intertwine. And that's cool. Did she say to you, hey, remember that thing we said, we'd never show the light of day? I'm working on it. Did she tell you that she's thinking about? Or did she show you something first? She showed me something first. She's like, hey, I've been putting this thing together. What do you think of this? And yeah, and I watched it. I was like, I don't know what I think of that, but keep going, keep going. Oh, that's really cool. And with a newborn on her hip the entire time. She sounds incredible, my God. Yeah, she's incredible. Yeah, and she shot it as well. And it's very funny too, because it's just the absurdity of everything that's happening. Must have been very vulnerable to watch that. Yeah, yeah, to watch it again. I mean, I hadn't seen any of that footage, especially with Mom and our family. And it was really intense, but I'm really proud of her for doing it. How did you guys meet? Was it at Julliard? No, no, no. She happened to be in New York working on something. And it was like a movie she had finished, and it was like some after-party for it. And my manager at the time was like, you gotta come to this party. And I was like, I'm not. I am preparing for my Coen Brothers movie. I am not gonna go to this thing. He's like, you gotta. There's this chick. You just gotta come. And I was like, all right, but I'm gonna go dressed as Lou and Danis. And I'm with my cat and my guitar. Yeah, well, this is before I had started, right? But I dressed in the outfit, and I was like, and I'm gonna go, and I'm gonna try to do this thing where I can project warmth without smiling. I wanna see if I can do it. Sure. Or tell a joke, but not laugh to let anybody know it's a joke, and let's see what happens. And so I went in, and I was sitting there with my fingerless gloves and eating and nobody else was eating. And her being a documentary, and was like, who's this little brown weirdo in the corner and comes over and starts talking to me. And then I told her I was a musician. No way, no way. Yeah, yeah. Perhaps you've heard of the closet heterosexuals. At one point she was like, I can't tell, are you flirting with me? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I am. Aw, that's cute. I love that. So I started. Are you a cat guy? I'm sure you are. I bet that was the question at the junket. That was the question. Do you play guitar and are you a cat guy? It's so funny. A lot of these things that I'm saying too, I do realize they're anecdotes that I have said before, and so, after you say, I don't know if you guys get this, but saying anecdotes after a while, you feel like, I think I'm lying. Right. I've never really happened. I said this so much. I don't think this is true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Hang on, Star Wars, we'll get to it. I know, but and X-Mack on June, I know I can't wait. I used to think that I could speak to cats, so I would like go to the backyard and meow a lot and cats would come. Yeah. Hang on a second. Let's just pause in here for a second. I was going to go ahead and elaborate. That was it. It was just like, reeeew. And they would come. That's why you like the joke. You like that joke so much. All right, I don't have a lot of time. I hit it with the sci-fi. I don't have a lot of time. I got to get through this stuff because I want to know about X-Mack and I. X-Mack and I incredible. Listen to me. I've seen it like 10 times. I know every line. Scotty and I quoted all the time. We still go, Kiyoko, go, go, right? It's, that made me laugh. So it came out in 2014. Yeah, how great is that? You believe the relevance it has today. Yeah, I mean, Alex Garland, he's just. Wild, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, he keyed into this thing. And even the way that we gather information, he talked, Nathan, the character I play, talks about like, well, yeah, I'm going to gather all the signals from all the cell phones and I get it all. And that's how I get it. I mean, everything you talked about in the movies happening right now, it's crazy. I just. Yeah, I wonder, does that occur to you when you see stuff or you're reading stuff that's going on in the world and you go, yeah, yeah. I was there. Yeah, yeah. It was, but it felt like that when I read the script and then Alex Garland and I kept like talking about it, working on it, we would look at it from every angle and look at like the current, you know, literature and everything that was going on at the time. And it just, it felt like completely locked in. And, you know. It's amazing how it holds up. Alex Garland is, I mean, this guy, I mean. Yeah. Well, let's hope not all your films are harbingers. Dune, pretty bleak look into it. To work. Yeah, I know. But now, but. But a incredible film, my God. Amazing and you're amazing in it. And I didn't even knew, like you get to, you get all the, you get all the great ones that you get to work with. I read this, I want you to tell the guys, if you want to, I can tell it, which is one of the best pranks I've ever heard of on any film shoot on Dune, when you, after the nude scene. Speaking of dance belts. Speaking of dance belts. Go ahead and tell it, Sean. Well, it's called, what is it really called? You call it a cock sock, right? Well, or a modesty sock. You can do. Modesty sock, that's it. Modesty sock. Not everybody calls it that, but yeah. I'm gonna get it wrong, but you left your, so you did the scene and you had a quote, modesty sock on. And you put it in Dene's jacket pocket, right? And it's just pocket. And he later pulled it out. Yeah, well I left. And then I got a picture of him holding it, like what the fuck? At the dinner table. At, after the take, that's how many I get. And then he says, he says this is true, that MoMA asked for it. Oh my God. Oh really? Really? Well, they'd be smart to get it. They'd be smart. Hopefully they got a wall big enough. Yeah, right? Yeah, right. Go for you, go for you, go for you. Sean, anything on Star Wars? Yeah, Sean, questions on Star Wars. I mean, yeah, just the dumb question, the obvious question is like, where are you? Right, he's tattooing a real place. Look at this. What star is Vader like in the morning? No, the basic question is, were you a fan, were you freaked out that you got the part? Like was it, were you a huge fan as a kid? No, but my family were huge, huge fans, like collectors and my uncle in particular, it was massive, massive. He loved making that phone call. Oh man, that phone call was great. And he came, he was an extra a couple of times, he got to all the way, I remember I brought him, and he died a couple of years ago, which was, so rest in peace, but it was the most amazing thing, like I brought him and I couldn't find him. And he was like in Carrie Fisher's trailer, just like hanging out. Yeah, that's crazy to me, that's crazy. I mean, Scott and I just visited the set of the new Star Wars movie with Sean Levy directing when I was in London, and we got to go to the creature shop. I mean, we, that's like everything we're for. I don't know if you're into that, but I was just like, it's so, it's so cool that you were part of the reboot of this franchise, you were the first part of the reboot. I mean, it's wild. And look at where it's at now. It's like last night at the dinner table, Jason, and we're all sitting around and out of nowhere I go, has anybody seen the trailer for Mandalorian and Grogu? Just silence, nobody's. Except I said, I seen it and it's fantastic. Yes, I can't wait to see that movie. And didn't you say, yeah, that you have not seen the trailer or you refuse to see the trailer? Me? No, God, I saw it like 10 times. Did you see the sound on or something like that? No, no, no, I saw it. I love it. The guy I was with yesterday said that he will not see it yet, because it'll get his, he won't see it until it's closer to release, because he's just gonna get too excited. You can't sustain the excitement level. Yeah. All right, rapid fire before we let you go, ready? Yeah. If we were roommates for a week, what would be the one Oscar Isaac Cork that would drive me insane? And what's the one that I would love? You cook? Sean, look at you. I don't really cook. I mean, I can cook, but I don't cook a lot. So Sean's not happy with that. What would he love? God. What would drive you crazy? He would love that I don't cook very much. What would you love? Theater stories. Theater stories, hugs, I'm very affectionate. He loves a hug. An appropriate, unnecessary, impromptu hug. Cotsaw gugs. Cotsaw gugs. Who's most likely to win in a board game? You, Jessica Chastain or Ethan Hawke. Oh, I guess it depends on the board game, but you know. Scrabble. Oh, Scrabble. Sure, sure. I'm gonna go with Ethan, because he's like a poet and a writer, and he's just a season. I can't wait to see his show blow down. He's, yes. I mean too, he's so incredible that. Yeah, love him. And I love that you, I read that you improvised lullabies for your two sons. No way. You just sit there with a guitar and you just make up songs for them? I did, well now it's funny, because I did that for a while, and then they were like, please stop. And so they- They got old enough to say stop. Yeah, they just didn't like whenever I would play guitar or sing, and that went away for a bit, but recently in the last year, I just bought this Looper pedal. So like, we've got this, just kind of showing a little bit like, we got like old drums here. Look at this. And like guitars, there's the Looper pedal down there. There's a lot of piano over there. Oh, yeah. And so we've just been making a lot of music together. How old are they? He's gonna turn six, Mads is gonna turn six on Sunday, and Eugene is eight. Oh my God. Wow. Primetime. So it's really fun. I know it's so good to get them into that, young. And Sean, how old do we need to start playing piano? Five. Really? There you go. What do they, do they have they seen dad's movies or anything? Yeah. Yeah, they've seen some of them. They've seen Star Wars. Eugene was actually asking me about Star Wars yesterday. How are they with the notes? Are they kind with the notes or? They're a little tough with the notes, I gotta say. Kids are tough. I can't say enough about you and Frankenstein. I just think it's an incredible performance. It's just blew me away. I can't say enough about you and everything else. I'm just kidding. This is one of you. You were fantastic and you're very nice to join us. Yeah, it's really, really cool. Thanks guys. And I will, I can't wait to see what you did in that movie, man. Oh, he's so good. And that's good. Wait till you see that. He and Bradley just rocked it. Thanks man. No, you're one of the great, you're one of our greats, man, for real. You are. Oscar, you're a great dude. We hung out a couple of times. You're such a great dude. It's so good to see you, man. Yeah, thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. Enjoy the rest of your day. Good luck with Frankenstein. We're all going to go see it. I'll see you. What a talent. What a talent. Thank you, Oscar. Thanks buddy. Thanks guys. Thanks Oscar. Bye pal. Bye. Well, that was tough saying good night to Oscar there. Hello. Hey, I could talk to him forever. Oh my God. He's in so many of my favorite movies. I mean that ex machina is just incredible. Everything. But wait till you see Frankenstein. I can't wait. Incredible. Everything that guy does is so incredible. I know. How is somebody so good? I know. He's so good. It's all I have to say. I'm like blown away. I'm literally, we're all thinking here about all this different performances. You're like, oh yeah, he's so good at that. Oh, he's so good at that. Do you think it's something in the water at Juilliard? Or do you think they come in already? I think they do a pretty good job of vetting. 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