Ladies and gentlemen, welcome into a special crossover edition of the triple option and throwbacks live from the block in San Francisco. Please get on your feet and get excited. And here is the host for festivities, Andy Agar. Preview this time. Now for the College Football Hall of Famer. Starting with the 2009 Heisman winner, the first to ever do it at Alabama, a national champion, Mark Ingram II. What's better than one Heisman winner? How about a second? 2004 Heisman winner, two-time national champion, and 2006 first-round pick, Matt Liner. And last but not least, the man that won three college football national championships, two at Florida and one at Ohio State, Urban Meyer. Yeah, man. Yeah, Coach. Coach has some bad knees, you know, getting old. For the record, guys, those Florida national championships, that was back before the playoff need to expand to get the SEC in. But, you know, sad to play. All right, guys, as they said, I'm Annie Agar. I'll be your host today. We were doing some trivia earlier. Now we're going to get into some NFL and college football talk. Guys, welcome to Super Bowl 60. You made it to San Francisco. How are we feeling? Good? Yeah. As someone who has traveled in San Francisco this whole week, I know that the roads out there are not easy, so congratulations on making it here. Those roads are not easy to get to the Super Bowl, unlike the Patriots. Okay, let's get started. She's already with Banger. She's already with Banger. We're going to talk some Super Bowl first. Let's start with Matt as the only one up here that made it to one. But don't feel bad, guys. Josh Allen hasn't either. Let's start with – it's going to be a long day. That's all she does. She's firing. It's so bad, you guys. It's so bad. But first, I do want to say before we get into the Super Bowl, this is a crossover special edition live of throwbacks and triple option. Matt and I are on throwbacks. Mark, obviously, and Coach are on the triple option. This is sponsored by NHTSA. So we all get distracted when we drive, but how we handle these distractions can be a matter of life or death, you guys. Please put your phones on silent. Take a mental note to focus on driving. Paid for by NHTSA. Okay, let's get into the game. As I said, I want to start with Matt here. Pretty big Super Bowl. Your Cardinals did lose to the Steelers back in 2009. Man, whoever won that as a coach is a great coach. You should never let him go, Pittsburgh. Okay, I want to get to this game. What from that game stood out to you experience-wise? And kind of like what do you talk about this Super Bowl week? What stood out the most in that game? Yeah, I mean, I think just as a football player, your goal like in college is to play for a national championship in the NFL. So to win a Super Bowl or be a part of one. And that year in 08, I was playing behind Kurt Warner in Arizona. We went on an epic Super Bowl run. We barely won our division. I think we were 9-7. And we hosted a first-round playoff game against Atlanta. I think Matt Ryan was a rookie that year. And then the dominoes just fell perfectly. So the second-round game we played at Carolina, and we had beaten them earlier in the year. It was Jake Delhomme. We were like, we're going to beat them. We knew that. And then we won that game. They were the one or two seed. And then we played the Eagles, and we hosted an NFC Championship game against a wild card because the Eagles went on an epic run, too. So it just all kind of fell in our favor. We beat the Eagles, and then we played Pittsburgh. And two things stick out in that game for me. Larry Fitzgerald, who just got in the Hall of Fame, which is awesome, so congrats to Fitz. He took an under route for like 70 yards. I don't know if you remember that. He went crazy. He took an under and split the safety. And me and Brian St. Pierre, I was the backup. He was the third thing. We were hauling down the sideline. Let's go. We're going to win. Nothing else to do that game but hype up our guys. And then I didn't tell the story. So Ben Roethlisberger was great. He goes down. San Antonio Holmes has a catch in the end zone. You guys have probably seen it a million times. Just toe taps. And we're devastated. We get the ball back with maybe it's a minute, 30 seconds. Kurt Warner gets sacked by Lamar Woodley, and he hurt his shoulder on the play. Coach, they said, Liner, warm up. I was about to throw a Hail Mary to try and win the Super Bowl, the last play of the game. I don't remember if it was like we ran out of time or something. Did you warm up? Yeah, I was about to warm up on the sideline. But I was like, I hadn't played the whole game. Kurt was like banged up. You needed to throw Hail Mary. They needed me to throw in to throw like a 60-yard just to heave it up there. Thank God I didn't have to go in. We ended up losing. But anyway, all that being said, we lost. It was heartbreaking. But to play in that game is just special. It was in Tampa, Florida that year. And just to be a part of it, it's pretty amazing. So excited for both these teams tomorrow. Let's talk about – we've got some 49ers fans out here, right? I saw some earlier. You guys here? Oh, yeah, there he is. Yeah. Did you play – you played in the trivia earlier, right? Didn't win, though, man. Rough year for 49ers fans. Okay, guys. Let's talk about Levi's Stadium because Mark up here is no stranger to Levi's Stadium, unlike Brandon Ayuk, by the way. Lord. Lord. Mark had one heck of a game. I'm just going to read off the stats here. In the 41-23 win, 171 total yards, two touchdowns. You had one of your best games in your pro career back in 2016. Do you think there's a guy on Sunday that can live up to that hype production-wise? 170? Yeah, 170. Well, you know, I can't tell you the yards for carry of receiving touchdown. You know, but, yeah, it was a good day. But, yeah, I'm kind of big on Seattle. I think they have a lot of juice on offense. I think their defense, how they rush four, I think is going to be a problem, especially Drake May has been sacked, I think, like 15 times in the playoffs. So anytime you can rush four and drop seven, I think that's a great recipe. But offensively, they just got a lot of juice, and I'm big on Kenneth Walker. I think Kenneth Walker III, I think he is a playmaker, like one of the best backs in the league. Obviously, he has his time to shine with the injury to Charbonnet, but I think his ability to run the football, his ability to come out the backfield in the screen game, contribute like that, I think he has a chance to be very productive and have a chance to go be MVP for a Super Bowl team. We're going to do our Super Bowl picks later too, guys. If I gave that away already. No, no, I'm excited. But, no, it's good because you could change last minute. Yeah. We got a Russell Wilson jersey here. Is that a Russell Wilson jersey? Yeah. He was great in the Super Bowl, wasn't he? Okay. Let's talk to Coach. Before we came on here, you guys, we were sharing some stories, and Coach has obviously a ton of stories. But there's one in particular about Coach Mike Vrabel. Not verbal, as some may say it. Coach Mike Vrabel, and he was on – did anybody get that reference? Did you guys watch NFL Honors? Yeah. There was a mispronunciation. Anyway, Coach has some stories about Coach Mike Brable, who just won Coach of the Year because he was on your staff at Ohio State. So why don't you share, what do you think, first of all, Brable's telling these guys to get them prepared, but also share your insight on what you know about Coach. Yeah, I text with Mike all the time, and I text him one about three weeks ago, and he always shares his messages, and I won't get it because he probably doesn't want me to share, but he's a violent guy, man. But he's one of my favorite people I've ever been around. And I grew up in Ohio, so I knew Rabel was a great player at Ohio State, one of the best players I've ever played at Ohio State. So I get hired in 2012 at Ohio State, and the AD asked me to meet with Luke Fickle, the defense coordinator, and I meet with him, no intention of keeping him, but he does such a wonderful job that I said, I'm going to hire this guy. I mean, him and his wife are great people, and they're good on defense. I hire him, and I start walking out of the room, and he said, one favor, Coach, could you meet with Mike Vrabel about being on our staff? And I was like, Luke, I'm not going to do that. Mike Vrabel is a great player, but this is Ohio State. This isn't time for training wheels. I need guys that, I mean, we're going to make a run at this thing. And he goes, would you do it? And I said, okay, I'll do it. Let's go 7 a.m. on Friday. So I come walking in, and I'm so old school, I come walking in. There's Mike Vrabel. I mean, he's a giant guy. And I met him a few times. He was with the Patriots. I used to go visit Coach Belichick all the time. And, hi, Mike, how you doing? I'm looking. He's wearing jeans and a T-shirt. And I'm thinking, what the hell? And I had a couple coaches with me. I asked them to come up and just hear this because, you know, I've got to make a big decision here. And so I said, Mike, I sit down in the front row, and I said, all right, Mike, I'm a freshman defensive lineman. You recruited me. You assigned me. It's our first day of practice. This is our first meeting. Teach me your expectations. Tell me your expectations. Give me your core fundamentals that you're going to teach me. And then take me through your pass rush, your pass rush fundamentals, which for the coaching profession, that's like one-on-one. That's not hard. If I said give me your third down package or something, that's a little more complicated. I look at Mike, and Mike's full of sweat. He's never done that before. And he's his T-shirt. I'm looking at him. He's sweating like a mule. And he's like drawing circles like my daughter would. He's like doing this. And I was like, what the hell? And I look at Luke Fickle and the coaches like this. And I stop him after about 10 minutes, and he's glad I stopped him. I said, Mike, I said, all due respect, you won three Super Bowls. You're a legend at Ohio State, but you might need to go coach in the MAAC or something and get a little experience and then come back. But I'll tell you what I'll do, Mike. I'll go again tomorrow at 6 a.m., and we'll give it one more shot. And I walk out the door. Mike tells a story. He goes home and sees his wife, and she says, are we good? And he goes, no, we're not good. Matter of fact, we're probably out, but I'm going to go back to the office with Coach Fickle. They got back at 7 o'clock at night, stayed up all night, slept a little bit in the office. I come walk in, and he's got a shirt and tie on, but he looked like he was up all night. And he did a much better job. But the reason I tell that story is because great players at times, my experience is it's very rare that a great player, because they spent their whole life playing. When they're done playing, they want to go enjoy their life. And coaches don't enjoy their life now. I mean, it's at times awful. You 6 a till midnight And I wanted to make sure Mike he proved to me one thing and you seeing it on display with the Patriots He a man man He a player coach He's tough as shit. He's one of the great dudes I've ever been around. But he also proved to me that he wanted to learn to be a great coach. Did you see that in him once you hired? Instantaneously, yeah. But even the teaching and practice? Oh, much better. And he was one of those guys that he would come in our meetings and say, how do you do this? Because I had really good coaches, obviously, on our staff, and he learned within two years. And last story about Mike Rabel is we're playing. Do we have, I guess we're far from Ohio. I see all this USC stuff. No Ohio people here? I got one. You're the smartest-looking guy in the room. So the big rivalry game, obviously, the Wolverines, and my first. Wow. Lord. Oh, fighting words. Lord. So we're playing in the rivalry game. It's about 10 degrees in the Ohio Stadium. And I come in the locker room and give the last final talk before we go out and play the game. And the game starts, and I look over, and Mike Rabel has got like a beanie on, and there's like a large cut with like crusted blood around his eyes. And I look, and I go, what in the hell? And I'm not going to ask because I'm busy coaching the game. And the game's, oh, we win the game. and I go in the locker room and everybody's hugging each other. I go, what the hell happened to you? He goes, I got carried away, man. All the players are headbutting everybody. I started headbutting everybody. I thought it was a player. He forgot he didn't have a helmet on. So that's Mike Rabel. He might headbutt a little bit tomorrow. That's the kind of coach. Love the guy. Great, great coach. Tennessee should look for getting a coach like that. All right, here we go. Shots. It's these little things. I have to get the kids. Yeah, you've got to get it. You've been getting yours off. You know, they've got the history to back them up. I have nothing but jokes. So you guys are stuck with me. We're going to take a short little break and then we're going to get into some more college football talk because obviously we have some experts up here on that. But we'll be right back in a second. Thank you, guys. I'm U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. We all get distracted when we drive, whether it's from our phones or kids in the backseat bickering. But how we handle these distractions can be a matter of life or death. Before you get on the road for your next road trip, please put your phones on silent and take a mental note to focus on driving. Paid for by NHTSA. There's any more, dude. They're hard. I have to order them through like Nike and all that stuff. All right, guys. Oh, yeah. There we go. Now we're back. That was a quick break. Man, I hope those commercials are like that in the Super Bowl. Welcome back to the Triple Option. It's time for Crossroads presented by NHTSA. As I said earlier, we all get distracted while we're driving, you guys. But how you handle these distractions can be a matter of life and death. Please put your phones on silent. Take a mental note to focus on driving paid for by NHTSA. Let's focus a little bit on college, okay? As you know, where we're probably going with this, Indiana, insane year. I genuinely can't believe it. As someone that grew up in Big Ten territory, this has got to be the wildest turnaround for a program I've ever seen. I think you guys just talked to Signetti recently. So I want to break down, maybe just fill people in on what he's like. For the people that don't know Kurt Signetti, explain what this man has done to this program. He recruited Mark to Alabama. Yeah, he did. So he was the first person I saw from the University of Alabama. He flew to Flint, Michigan, and he came to recruit me. Yep, yep, yep. He came to recruit me. And, man, he was just always like a straightforward guy. He kind of always had like a plan. And he told me like what he thought about me as a player and like where I would fit in. And, shoot, I went down there. I took a visit. I ended up going, you know. He started the recruiting process. But he's just always been, you know, a straightforward guy, kind of like trying to be the best, like always had a plan, like always like followed the right instructions, was always learning. And, shoot, he was with us for three years. He took a gamble on himself, started being a head coach, I think, at like Elon or something, right? Like some small school. He just worked his way up. He's been a winner ever since he's been a head coach and just a straightforward dude. But he thinks he has like a little sense of humor, too. He'd be like cracking jokes here and there, you know what I mean? So, but he's a good dude, man. He's a good guy. And, yeah, he just recruited me, man. So that's kind of like some history there with Coach Ignetti. I'm happy for him that he's doing such a great job at Indiana. Did you reach out to him after? Of course. Of course. Told him congratulations. He's seen him in person since then. I haven't seen him in person since. We saw him. Big Ten title. Yep, yep, yep. We saw him. Big Ten championship. Yeah, Big Ten championship. Yep. But super excited for him and his family, and he deserves all the success he's getting. Matt, you want to talk about it? Yeah, I mean, I still think we still joke about it. Just like Indiana football is your national champions, and it's wild. But Coach could speak more on this as a coach, but I feel like he has this plan and this process and how he goes about, but it's one thing to have it, and then it's one thing to execute it. And obviously Coach executed at a high level winning multiple national championships, but for Signetti to have that and to get the most out of his players, because they aren't the most talented team, there's no doubt about that, but they were the most fundamentally sound with the talent that they had, because they had good players. and the way they played football, it was kind of old school. It was just like the offensive line perfectly moved in motion. The defensive line, they were always in the right place, and that's a direct reflection of coaching. I think we have great coaching in every position. So we covered them a couple games last year. They were fun to watch. They're going to have the number one pick in the draft, which is crazy next year or this year in a couple months, but Cignetti's a different cast. He's different. He's just, yeah, no nonsense, which I love. I first met him 30 years ago. I was at Notre Dame, and he was at Pitt, and kind of a strange guy, you know. And we became friends, and then he was on Johnny Major's staff. He reminded us on the podcast, and they offered me a job, and I didn't take it. But we talked and laughed about it. But we covered him Big Noon, which we're all on Big Noon, Fox Big Noon. We covered him two years ago, and they started winning. in my history at Indiana is that you usually hammered them pretty good. They just weren't very good. And I remember watching the first half from the green room. And this is when they started winning. I was thinking, wait a minute. Now this is a well-coached team, their back shoulder throw. Remember, they were the doctor of the back shoulder throw. You never see their defense give up big plays. They're great tacklers. The perimeter blocking is elite, special to everything was working. I was like, I left these guys. I went out and I stood right next to Cignetti. We'll kind of go wherever we want. I stood right on the sideline. I wanted to watch them. You know, as a coach, you can tell if this is an organized process, what's going on. And it was unbelievable. And that was a year ago. And then I was like a lot of people, so this house of cards has got to fall. There's no way. It's Indiana's Hoosiers. Right. And they were so much better even this year. And it's a credit. I can say this. I'm almost 62, over 40 years. That's the greatest coaching job I have ever witnessed in my lifetime. what him and his staff, and it's not just him. He has two coordinators, been with him for nine years. And the challenge will be, and you know this, Pete Carroll went through it, Nick Say went through it, I went through it, is when you start losing your coaches. Because those guys should be head coaches. What they've done, if they're not, was it Mike Shanahan and then Brian Haynes, the defense coordinator, who, by the way, worked for me at Ohio State, those guys, what they did, I'm telling you, the best coaching job I've seen. And Brian Hartland just got hired too, right? So it's kind of the same thing we see. Brian Hartland? Yeah. Well, that's what made, I think, Nick Saban and Bama, is he was turning over guys every year and still winning, which is incredible. So it'll be interesting if Cignetti can do that once he starts losing these guys. Yeah. Yeah, I want to talk about Fernando Mendoza a little bit. We'll start with Matt on this because Fernando Mendoza, you know, won a Heisman, also won an Addy, probably, most likely, will be the number one overall pick. And these guys kind of wanted to know. They said we want to see what you do. So I'll give you guys a look into what I do on social media. So he was in an interview the other day, and he said that since he won the Natty, he's now addicted to winning. So I, of course, quote tweeted that, and I said, well, the Raiders are about to help a kid beat an addiction. So good for them. Poor Fernando. He's about to get roasted. Oh, my goodness. But I do want to ask Matt, where does he rank in terms of number one overall pick success? His success that he's had and where he's going to go in the NFL, where do you think he ranks? I mean, it's so hard to tell now. But I've seen the narrative of a lot of guys out there saying, like, oh, he doesn't look like a number one pick and this or that. It's like I just – I kind of think that's BS. You know, one, it's really hard when you're a top pick. You're going to the worst team in the NFL. And there's only been probably a handful of number one picks that can really just kind of transcend the team. You know, Andrew Luck was one. I mean, like, there's a couple guys, right? That's it. And then I think the thing with Fernando, though, and he's he's a he's such a different kid. Like he's so like he's so smart and he's just football and he's kind of like this innocent mindset, you know, but he's a hell of a football player. And I think what makes him so good, at least in my opinion, is he's really physically gifted now. Like he can he moves well. He can throw. He's a big kid. He's like six, four. But, you know, I played I played with and probably similar to Drew Brees, who Mark played with. I played with Kurt Warner, and Kurt Warner was – he's a Hall of Famer. He wasn't – he's 6'2", 215 pounds, didn't have a great arm, but he was so great here, and that's where he just beat you. He was accurate, and he knew where to go with the football. And I think Fernando, that's like the strength of his game, the way he processes before the snap, the way he can see the defense because he has the tools too. So I think that, to me, is why I think he's going to be successful. it's just hard. I mean, you look at Sam Darnold, he's the perfect story. That's been the big narrative. Didn't work out in New York. He was the third pick in the draft. And now look at him. Does anybody work out in New York? Exactly. So again, Fernando going to Vegas. Brady is there, which I think he's going to help probably more than people would think. But he's a hell of a player. He's a great kid. That kid is going to be successful. There's no doubt in my mind. And I think they can build around him. Yeah. Yeah, people don't have success until they leave New York. Yeah, yeah. And they do well. Geno Smith did well when he left. It's just the Jets are just, oh, my goodness, man. Yeah. Both, yeah, Jets and Giants. The Raiders were so bad, though, this year. So bad. Well, they're just their roster. Their roster. I mean, like, I've been watching football for a while, you know, and, like, that was one of the worst football teams I ever seen. Are there Raiders fans here? Or Ashton Gentry. No. No. I had Ashton Gentry in Fantasy, and I'll be watching the games, and it was, like, sticking pencils in my eyes. It was just so bad. I like oh my goodness man Well that your fault for drafting him though Well I believed in the kid He good You didn believe in the whole line though They suck They were bad I going to add this and I just think the quarterback and Matt knows it's the most difficult position in all of sport, and they get blamed and they get all the glory, and they deserve neither. There's one great common denominator of a great quarterback. You've got great players around them. Great team. And there's one common denominator of a shitty quarterback. It's a shitty team. And Alex Smith played for me at Utah. That's like my son. He goes to the 49ers, and they were awful. And here's Alex Smith's a bust. He's a bust. No, he's not a bust. Go let him play for Andy Reid at the Chiefs and see how much of a bust he is. Or when Harbaugh went to the 49ers. So I worry about him. I wish there was – I think the ultimate quarterback factory has been the Green Bay Packers, the way they've done it. They draft a guy. They let him learn from a monster, from an all-pro. because the game changes from high school to college to the NFL is just giant leaps and bounds, and there's no other position in a sport that's more experience-focused than the quarterback position. What a great program. Whoever's a fan of that program is a great fan. Packers? Yeah. You are? I am. He's a diehard. Yes, you missed it earlier. He's a crazy cheesehead. Is my friend down here? No, he's not here anymore. I got to F the Packers right when I stepped on stage. I'm not even in Chicago anymore, guys. Why don't you tell the story about when your Packers lost to the Bears and you walked down the street? I don't remember that. Look, that's for my therapist only, okay? Okay, well, we can't talk about college football without talking about NIL a little bit. Coach and I were talking about it earlier, and I asked him, and I want to ask you guys this too because it's changed a lot since you guys. Does that make you frustrated to see all – I mean, not frustrated, but like you missed this huge wave of NIL. I mean, well, they were paying Bama players back. They were paying USC. We know how USC get down. So don't be throwing stones from a glass house, dog. Don't be throwing stones from a glass house. What do you mean? What do you mean, bro? I think, you know, it's funny. I get asked all the time about, gosh. You would have made a ton of money, though, bro. Yeah, no, I would have made a lot of money in college. You know, he would have broke the bank. Golden, golden boy lefty in L.A. Yeah. Him and Reggie. Reggie already had that money. You know, Matt had that money, too. You know, I yeah, I mean, I don't know. I was going to ask like, oh, what would it have been like? I don't know. Like, I just I I don't know any different. You know, it would have been nice to make money, of course. But like, I don't know if that would have changed me. I've seen, you know, we've all seen it like money can change you, especially at that age. And now these kids are chasing money. They're going to teams left and right. And it's just – there's a lot of good in college sports now. I think there's a lot of good in college football. And there's a lot of good in the NIL. I believe that. But it is different. And, you know, my son – gosh, my oldest son is at SMU. And he's a scholarship athlete. Just dropped him off. Just dropped him off. A round of applause for my man. You know what I mean? It was – My nephew out there at SMU. Yes, sir. Uncle Mark, man. Uncle Mark. My son Cole loves Uncle Mark. he calls him the do-rag what do you call it? The do-rag god the do-rag god and he's making money the do-rag god, yeah, he's making money which is crazy, it's like my 19 year old son can't even do his own laundry and now he's getting rev share every month and it's a good thing, it's cool but it's just different I'm happy for these kids I hope that they all can find good representation around them to help them make these good choices but But, yeah, it's just a different world. You know, it's a different world. Yeah, when we were upstairs, I asked Coach, and you can elaborate on this. I said, would you, given the opportunity, would you come back and coach now? Because we know Saban pretty much wanted out because of NIL, it seemed like. Would you come back and coach with all the NIL stuff and having to recruit, dealing with all that? No. Coach is not coaching no more. He lives a good life. He's playing all the top. But I remember we did the Kansas game, and Bill Self, the great basketball coach, I didn't know, he came out and put his arm around me and said, man, you'd love this recruiting. I looked, I go, what? He said, you would love this style of recruiting because back in the day, you had to write letters, you had to text. I had a guy, a full-time member of my staff, everywhere I went, he went for 24-7, other than when I got in the car to drive home and I came back. He'd be waiting in my office. He would text 400 people a day, recruits, nonstop, and he'd be sitting there. I'd be doing my film, be in the staff meeting, and he had carte blanche. He could interrupt me. Zeke Elliott just texted you, Coach, and he's asking about whatever, and I would have to tell him stuff. And then when I drove home at night, he would hand me 10 phone numbers and all the stuff said, you texted him yesterday, and here's what it said. And I'm driving home. I'm trying to read this nonsense as I'm driving home, and I guess that's all gone now because now it's simply what's the number? Transactional. It's transactional. We don't have to go to dinner with your parents. We don't have to meet your girlfriend and talk to the principal. What's the number? What's the number? What's the number? It's crazy. Which is amazing. And these kids will never know that, the difference in that. I think it's good for them. I'm happy that these young athletes can make money. And obviously there's a lot of things that need to be fixed, But I think the NCAA has generated so much money over all this time. They had free labor. You know what I mean? So I'm just glad these young guys are – you're seeing – there is a lot of good NIL. You see some of these young kids who have the right people, the right support system. They're impacting the community. They're learning how to invest it. These kids are going to be wealthy younger. So I think there's a lot of good in it, but there definitely needs to be something. I'm anxious to see the residual. If there is, I've always been a believer in education. in the life after ball like Saban. This is all about a 40-year plan. NIL runs out when you leave college. I hope they know that. And then most of them aren't going to play in the NFL if they do it, not the problem. That's why they're trying to get six or seven years. And then they're 26 years old and they're going to say, where's my NIL? None. Now you've got to go to work. And you can't leave. You can't leave because this boss gave you this job. You know what I mean? I can't just go to this corporate. You can't just bounce around. You've got to learn how to fight through adversity, go through the ups and downs. And usually when you do those things, it makes you a better person in life. And remember on Triple Option or on Big Noon, they said 40% or 35% of all the transfer portal people that are promised by agents, we can get you a better deal, they don't get a better deal. And they're left with a worse deal or out of a scholarship. It's almost like the media and people aren't covering that. But at some point, that residual, if there is, residual damage is going to start surfacing. Well, there was 40% of like, like close to 40%, 30 something percent of college football in the portal. Like every single person in that portal is not going to be on a roster. One out of three. Well, most of them don't. Most of them, they stop because they don't have a scholarship waiting for them, which is ridiculous. I think it's great in the sense of unless you're like a guaranteed first round pick. I mean, like all these, especially as a quarterback, like the going rate, and I'm embellishing numbers a little bit, but like if you're starting quarterback in Power 4, you're making like a minimum of $1.5 million, probably. Like at a Rutgers or something, you're making a million and a half. Now if you go to Bama, you're making three, four, maybe $5 million. Carson Beck. That is crazy. And a lot of these kids aren't even first-round grades, so it's like stay in school as long as you can as possible. That's why they appeal in this school for seven years. I'm like, you got to go somewhere. Sometimes we laugh for like six years. I'm like, I don't know. First of X that he had been in class in two years on TV. That's a pro. That's a pro now. He's making $5 million. I mean, that's life-changing money for a kid, even if you don't make the NFL at that point. So it's a lot of good, and I hope kids. Ty Simpson is interesting because he's the Alabama quarterback. He had a great year. He elected to come out. he turned down a $5 million offer to go somewhere or stay. Like Tennessee or whatever. He's not going to make that. And he's projected a first-round pick. Was he? Yes. The quarterback class is. The quarterback class. But still, it's like, I don't know. That would have been tough to turn down. But are you weighing a potentially better quarterback class next year? And then you fall, but then you make the $5 million. I don't know. Yeah, it's an interesting, I guess, dilemma. It's not a dilemma. It's a good thing. You go first round, I mean, you got to go. You got to slide, man, because I don't know if they wanted him to. They got some other quarter. You know what I mean. You know how this college football thing is now. Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird time. Well, we always know that the good thing is Michigan will always need football players. You just have to be able to read the other team's signs. Okay. Let's get transitioned back into. That was for Coach. We'll transition back into the NFL here. On this stage, you guys, there are combined six championships. It's pretty impressive. I've contributed zero. That's okay, though. I'm just here to host. You're saying it yourself now. You know, I'm working on it. We want to discuss championship performances. This is powered by Verizon, America's best and most reliable network. We're going to play a little game. What I want you guys to do is give me your best championship performance. Now, this could be NFL, could be college, could be a specific player, specific thing you remember, best championship performance. as a Packers fan. I don't know what that is. So I'm going to sit this one out, especially NFC Championship. You know, Brett Farber. Farber. Which Hall of Fame quarterback was that? Oh, Jared talked about that. No, best championship performance. Mark, do you have one else? I can go NBA. Anything. Whatever you think is best. Yeah. One that comes to mind is LeBron James, 2016. They were down 3-1 to the – yeah. Oh, the reaction. Come on, man. You got Warriors fans here. I'm sorry, man, but everyone know that. That was a 3-1, you know, the best team in, you know, the NBA. He was down 3-1. He goes for a triple-double in game seven. I was there for two of them. Yeah. He goes for a triple-double in game seven, and he finishes the 3-1 comeback on the Warriors. That was ridiculous. That was ridiculous. When he pinned the ball on the backboard on the defensive line. It's all good. Is that the year when Kyrie hit the shot? Kyrie hit the shot. Kyrie, one of the best. He was here on the road, too. 3-1, come back on the Warriors. All right, Matt. Oh! That was an ass kicking to the Sooners. Yeah, let's get that. I got a bunch of those 20 years ago. 20 years ago, my God. So the people, man. So the people, Coach. The boat ride. Coach, man. So the people. You're so stupid. Y'all got to show the people, man. Y'all got to show the people, man. Yeah. Baby. Y'all got to show the people, man. Baby Matt. That NIL all over I was just going to say how much NIL had you done Wild That boy had that flow going That boy you know what I mean Yeah I had a lot of hair back then I would say I mean that was a great game That was a fun game to be a part of. I hate bringing it up, but Vince Young, when he beat us in Texas, was 20 years later, and I love VY. He's a great dude, a great friend. He was one of the best college football players I've ever seen. I played with Reggie Bush, who, in my opinion, is one of the best, maybe top two of all time, maybe best. VY is right up there. Just to watch him in person, he single-handedly beat us. That was back-to-back Rose Bowl games because I think the year before it was Michigan. He had like 600 yards of offense. The gear against us, he had 500-something running, throwing. That was as impressive as I've seen. And then, I mean, the Brady comeback against the Falcons to me is just still. Yeah, that was ridiculous. Like in the Super Bowl being down 23. 28-3. I don't care who you are. That's like, you know, in the NFL, you have only three or four possessions and a half if you're lucky. And that, to me, is still the greatest comeback I've ever seen in football. That was like a comeback of his career, too. Oh, it was just ridiculous. Like, that just doesn't happen. Dante Hightower. Stack fumble. Yeah, bam, my boy. So those two stick out. I'm going to go back for guys on the stage. So, 08, I was at Florida, and we were number two. Mark was number one, right? Yeah. At Alabama. Yeah. Because the next year we flipped it. Yeah. And Tim Tebow, I coached him at Florida, and he put on one of the greatest shows in that game. And whoever won that SEC championship game, Alabama-Florida is going to win the title. Yeah. And we won. Two years in a row. And we beat Oklahoma the next year, the next game. Killed them. But then 09, your championship performance in that game. And every time I see Mark with the Heisman, I feel like signing the side of it because we gave that Heisman. He had 200-plus all-purpose yards against us in that championship game. I appreciate you, Coach. Sign that thing. We were back-to-back, man. You got us in 08. I needed my get-back in 09, you know. Then we played in 2010, but you said you allegedly didn't coach that team. I always tell him I'm 2-1 versus him. He says 1-1. I'm like, I have footage of you coaching this team. He did. He did coach. He doesn't claim his team. We were a very good team. He doesn't claim his team. We lost our whole team. That sounds like an excuse. Yeah, it doesn't count. So we're one-on-one. We're one-on-one. But I appreciate that, Coach, man. Yeah, you're a good one, man. You hurt my feelings. His big ass is running down the field, and I never thought we'd be partners like this. Yeah. So when I get on Big Noon, I get hired at Big Noon. You know, the news breaks. I get this text. This one with Coach Meyer. He's like, man, he's like, we're finally on the same team. I said, damn right. Finally. Finally, we're on the same team. I got a great story. You're going to tell him the Heisman night? Oh, yeah, tell him. So in 2004, it was me. So I won the Heisman. Adrian Peterson finished second. It was Jason White. It was Alex Smith. So he was there with Alex for Utah. And back then, there was no real cameras, no nothing. And maybe with you two, I don't know, you were 09? Yeah. So it was like you got a limo, and you got the keys to the city. You got the limo. They upgrade you to that big suite. Yeah, they upgrade you to that big suite. A limo, all night, any club, anything you wanted. It was like a free night in New York. And it was awesome. It was. We get in the limo, and it's me, I think my brother. It was Herb Street. it was AP it was I think Fowler was in there it was Coach it was Alex yeah a couple other guys and maybe a couple other guys a couple of the Heisman guys I wasn't in there right away remember what happened? so yes what happened so I go see Alex Smith I just take the Florida job and Herbstreets text me hey we're going out we're going to some club in LA no we're in New York we're in New York we're in some club and I'm not going to some club in New York and uh so i'm going to meet alex smith's family for uh after the heisman's over and and so i'm walking to go meet alex's mom and dad and and her street's like yeah we're out back come on you got to come with us or i want to see you and all that so i'm walking i'm not even thinking i'm headed to see uh pam and doug alex's parents and i'm walking awesome the door swings open to this limo and it's like a frat party the guys grab me i'm a grown man and they grab me and yank me and they close the door and I'm like leaning over like this. I look up like what the shit? There's student athletes in their draft. I'm going get me out of this. Student athletes. Student athletes. And I'm thinking, I just got hired in Florida. And there was some guy named Guido in that. Remember that guy sitting there? And so they pull up to some big club in New York City and there's a long line of people and these guys are all fired up and I say, you're going with us? I'll go with you. And they all start going i walk around back in an uber that was the first time i ever met you i think yeah what an intro there's such a fun athletes in here drinking the next year the next school does that say not anymore the next year uh reggie won and it was me reggie and vince young and wow i knew i knew i wasn't winning so i was like i was just there to party with the boys because i was like i had no shot And so I was just riding Reggie's coattails all night. So you won it first, Reggie won it second? Yeah. Back to back. And Carson won it. There was a year in between, so we had won three out of four. But I just remember. That New York night is fun. We were at some club. We send it. And it was me. We send it that night. Send it. Send it. Full send. Don't you know what that means? I was at a table, at a little small table. I think it was Club Butter at the time. Remember Club Butter? I don't know if anyone knows. It was Reggie, me, and Jay-Z. And I was like, what the hell am I doing at this table? That was it. And two other guys in this little tight-ass table, and I was just like, man, Reg, this is awesome, dude. We had a blast, man. You can't really do it anymore. I think they allow you to do whatever you want, but they just can't get involved anymore. It's just too much liability. I think a couple of the Heisman winners might have ruined that. it's a full send yeah the full send you don't know what that is i'm sure your kids can tell you what that means okay um we're gonna transition in back to super bowl here because we got to make our picks you guys then you can go party and full send um okay super bowl picks this is presented by craft you guys the cheese stands alone protein cheese sticks we have some up here look at this We'll be passing these out. Here's one lot. Kraft natural cheese protein sticks. 17 grams of protein, bold flavor. The cheese stands alone. Thank you, Kraft. We're going to make our Super Bowl picks up here, guys. Now I want, because unlike Tom Brady, we actually pick a team, okay? Jeez. He changed back. He changed back. What did he say? What did he say? He commented on Robert Kraft's Instagram. Oh, you showed me that. Yeah, he did. Good. He was feeling the heat, I think. Yeah. For someone who clones dogs, he didn't have a dog in a fight. Okay, we're going to make our picks. I want your Super Bowl prediction and your MVP. Ooh, MVP. Who wants to start, Mark? MVP is a tough one, I feel like. I'm going with Seattle in this game. I just feel like they have a bunch of juice. I respect Mike Vrabel a lot. I respect the Patriots and what they stand for as a team, but I just think there's something special about the Seahawks team. I feel like they got a lot of juice on offense, Jackson Smith and Jigba. I think they made one of the best trades at the midseason, getting Rashid Shahid. Kenneth Walker is playing extremely well. The defense, like I said earlier, they could rush four and drop seven against Drake May. And that team, they've given up like 15 sacks already this postseason. So I just think Seattle has too much juice. I think their defense is strong. I think they're going to get it done. And my MVP, I would like it to, as a running back, I'd like to see Kenneth Walker, Jackson Smith, and Jigba. But usually when a receiver has a good game, the quarterback gets the award because he gets all the numbers, too. So I think Sam Darnold will be the MVP for the Seattle Seahawks winning the Super Bowl. I like it. Matt? I mean, I was going to say the same thing. Yeah, I just – I don't know. I think this game is interesting. I think it's going to be a low-scoring game. Seattle's defense is just the difference maker. I love Drake May, too. I think he's great. I just don't know if they have enough firepower. and Seattle's so good on that side. And the way Sam has played, and they're explosive with JSN and then Kenneth. So I like it to be a low-scoring game. I think Seattle covers the game. And, again, Sam Darnold, USC Trojan, is your MVP, which is not going out on a limb, but I'm just trying not to overthink it. Just thinking Smith-Igigba was the second – he was overlooked at Ohio State. He covered him all those years. He was the number two. Number two guy. but I'm going to go with Mike Vrabel. I know I'm very biased, but he's been a part of back-to-back Super Bowls as a player. He learned from the best organization at the time, the Patriots, and he's got them back, one of the great turnarounds in NFL history, and I just think this will be a low-scoring game and low-scoring games. Guys like Mike Vrabel, his players are going to play like him. They're going to be a tough outfit on Sunday. So I'm going to pick the Patriots and Drake May as the MVP. with his legs. I think he's going to run a bunch. I think he's going to get scrambled. He's going to have to. He's going to be a first down guy. In those kind of games, he's going to be the first down guy. Scramble around. In that Denver game, he called his own number. I'm glad you said that because it would have been a clean sweep because I too am going Seattle, I think. I've been saying by two scores, which everybody's kind of getting on me about that. Two scores? Yeah. I hope it's not. Not very confident on a guy. What's the number? Is it four and a half? Yeah. I hope it's a closer game. We deserve a good game. We deserve a good game. We don't want to watch no blowout. It's been one of the best NFL seasons. Storyline-wise, drama-wise. Halfway through, we had no idea who was going to make it to the Super Bowl. We knew it wasn't going to be the Bills, but other than that, we did know. All right, you guys. That is all from us. Thank you for joining us live for this amazing show crossover between throwbacks and triple option. again like I said if you had a great time at the Super Bowl experience share it with the Bills fan because they may never see it ever in their lifetime thank you guys so much thank you guys for coming out appreciate y'all good job good job thank you light it I'll see you next time.
