Summary
Hosts Stugotz and Hockman reflect on their Super Bowl Radio Row experience, sharing stories about celebrity encounters, memorable guests like Christopher Russo, and nostalgic comparisons to early 2000s radio. They also revisit a classic pool phone rant segment and discuss listener requests for archived content.
Insights
- Radio Row has evolved significantly from intimate local table setups to commercialized fan experiences with admission fees, changing the authenticity of celebrity interactions
- Personal relationships with industry figures (like Christopher Russo) create more authentic and entertaining radio moments than transactional guest appearances
- Nostalgia for pre-digital retail experiences (Specs, Blockbuster, Circuit City) reflects broader consumer shift from discovery-based shopping to convenience-based online purchasing
- Spontaneous, unscripted conversation often outperforms heavily produced content in building audience connection and generating memorable moments
- The pool phone anecdote illustrates how novelty gadgets from the Sharper Image era often underperformed despite premium pricing and credibility halo
Trends
Decline of physical retail experiences and their role in product discovery and consumer cultureEvolution of sports media from local radio to national network dominance and its impact on authenticityShift from novelty gadget retail (Sharper Image) to direct-to-consumer e-commerce modelsIncreasing commercialization of sports events and media access (Radio Row admission fees)Podcast archival content as valuable asset for audience engagement and nostalgia marketingCelebrity accessibility and authenticity as key differentiators in sports mediaImportance of personal relationships in building sustainable media partnershipsListener-driven content curation through social media engagement (DMs, Instagram requests)
Topics
Super Bowl Radio Row Coverage and Celebrity InterviewsSports Media Evolution: Local Radio to National NetworksChristopher Russo Interview and Media Personality AuthenticityRadio Row Guest Experiences and Memorable MomentsNostalgic Retail Experiences and Consumer CulturePodcast Archive Curation and Listener EngagementSports Betting and NFL Game AnalysisPersonal Anecdotes in Sports BroadcastingRadio Production and On-Air DynamicsSharper Image and Novelty Gadget MarketingListener Feedback and Social Media InteractionMiami Sports Culture and Local Radio HistoryPool Phone Technology and Product FailuresFrank Caliendo Comedy and ImpressionsNew England Patriots Super Bowl Performance
Companies
iHeartRadio
Podcast distribution platform mentioned multiple times as host for various podcast series including The Sixth Bureau,...
Fox Sports Radio
Hosted the Radio Row stage setup where Stugotz and Hockman broadcast during Super Bowl week
ESPN
Network where Dan Levitard worked, mentioned in context of transitioning from local to network radio
NFL Network
Bob Papa mentioned as play-by-play announcer for NFL Network football games
Pushkin Industries
Production company behind Valley of Shadows podcast series about crime and corruption in California
P.F. Chang's
Restaurant where Stugotz left a 2003 Hurricanes-Gators game early, later criticized fans for doing same
Sharper Image
Novelty gadget retailer referenced as example of premium-priced products with questionable functionality
Circuit City
Electronics retailer mentioned as nostalgic retail experience that no longer exists
Blockbuster
Video rental chain referenced as memorable Friday night retail experience for movie selection
Specs
Record store chain mentioned as nostalgic retail experience for music discovery
Peaches Records
Record store chain mentioned as nostalgic retail experience for music discovery
Strawberries
Music retail store mentioned as nostalgic shopping destination for records and CDs
Deck 84
Restaurant sponsor on Atlantic Avenue in Delray Beach, praised for waterfront dining experience
Burton Max's
Restaurant sponsor in West Delray Beach owned by Buddha, offering Aperol spritz promotions
Miami Marlins
MLB team mentioned in context of $7.90 Wednesday ticket promotion negotiated with 790 The Ticket
New England Patriots
NFL team discussed in context of Super Bowl performance and Mac Jones' play
790 The Ticket
Miami radio station where Stugotz previously worked, mentioned in context of Marlins ticket promotion
Cameo
Celebrity video message platform used by hosts to offer Valentine's Day personalized messages
People
Christopher Russo
Sports radio personality and frequent guest described as best Radio Row guest ever, has ongoing betting relationship ...
Taylor
Co-host who attended Super Bowl Radio Row, transformed into confident version of himself on stage with microphone
Frank Caliendo
Comedian and impressionist who performed at Radio Row, did Christopher Russo impressions and weekend observations bit
Chris Sims
NFL player/analyst interviewed at Radio Row, had nostalgic reaction to Frank Caliendo's John Gruden impression
Bijan Robinson
NFL player mentioned as biggest name guest at Radio Row Super Bowl coverage
Joe Flacco
NFL quarterback who complimented Taylor's appearance at Radio Row
Fred Smoot
Former NFL player who approached Taylor after being called out by name at Radio Row
Mac Jones
New England Patriots quarterback whose performance in Super Bowl was analyzed by hosts
Drake May
New England Patriots player mentioned as feeling bad about team's Super Bowl loss
Rob Gronkowski
Former NFL player mentioned as big Radio Row guest
Dominique Foxworth
Sports analyst/personality who was guest on show during Radio Row week
Johnny Knox
Bears receiver from 2007 Radio Row who host mistakenly approached instead of Jacoby Jones
Jacoby Jones
NFL player host accidentally confused with Johnny Knox at 2007 Radio Row
Bob Papa
NFL Network play-by-play announcer host falsely complimented at Radio Row
Tiki Barber
Former NFL player mentioned as guest on 790 The Bone radio show at Radio Row
Jim Mandich
Former NFL player who worked out at Don Shula's Athletic Club, known for saying 'all right Miami'
Hank Goldberg
Sports broadcaster who did show from Shula Steak 2 studio in Miami Lakes
Dan Levitard
Co-host of original show, reluctant about Radio Row appearances, later transitioned to ESPN network show
Roy
Associate producer who resembles Terrell Owens, used in prank to fool Radio Row stations
Liam Coen
Jacksonville Jaguars head coach encountered at Radio Row
Quotes
"Taylor on Radio Row Super Bowl week with a microphone is a different fucking Taylor. Really? Oh, a more confident Taylor, a Taylor who likes to go out late night to parties, to dive bars with Chris Long."
Stugotz•Early in episode
"I have the ability, unlike many people, to draw it out of him. And so it was amazing."
Stugotz (about Christopher Russo)•Mid-episode
"I wouldn't recognize Johnny Knox if he came in here in uniform, introduced himself as Johnny Knox, and kissed me hard on the mouth."
Hockman•Radio Row story segment
"Life is all about a good parking spot and getting home early."
Hockman•Pool phone discussion
"I got you the phone. It's like casino. It's like Robert De Niro. He gets Sharon Stone, the beeper. She's out with James Woods. What am I doing? I'm doing the pool guy."
Stugotz (pool phone rant)•Pool phone segment
Full Transcript
This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world. The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Exploring NLP, a.k.a. Neuro Linguistic Programming. Is it a self-help miracle? A shady hypnosis scam? Or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11th, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. Hey, if they'll kill a cop and bury them, what are they going to do to me? What really happened to the missing deputy? Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Listen to Valley of Shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. With Stugatz and Hockman. I haven't talked to Stugatz or Taylor since they returned from Radio Row. I still haven't returned. I mean, was it the time of your life? It was a time of my life. I got to tell you, Hawk, I don't know what is going on with Taylor. But what I do know is that Taylor on Radio Row Super Bowl week with a microphone is a different fucking Taylor. Really? Oh, a more confident Taylor, a Taylor who likes to go out late night to parties, to dive bars with Chris Long. and the Kelsey's different guy. The Super Bowl will do that to you, Hawk. I mean, so you were in your element, Taylor? Like you found your calling. So, Hawk, I think what happened is I saw the stage that Fox Sports Radio had for us, and I saw the bright lights on the stage pointing back towards us, and I saw them, and I said, it's time to put on a show for the people. Look at this guy. He did, yes. I mean, Hawk, it's great. Joe Flacco was walking by, and he's telling him how great he looks, and Flacco's giving him a nod. But this is for hockey. You will love this because Taylor was not prepared for someone. So people were walking by celebrities, and he's just blurting out their names. I was just catcalling them, yeah. One of the guys that walks by is Fred Smoot. Always funny. And Taylor yells out, Smoot, like he's known him for years, right? What he didn't expect is what happened next. And what happened next was Smoot figured anyone who yells my name like that must know me. And so we walked over to Taylor to have a conversation with him. And Taylor didn't know what to say. Right. Walked right up right up on the stage and he was like, how's it going, man? How you been? And I go, doing good. Just kind of coward. So from a distance with a microphone, he's a different person. Your college roommate, Matt Collins, had himself a game. He was going to be the entire offense for the New England Patriots. And, you know, listen, I bet the Patriots. I had the Patriots plus five. And I don't think a winning formula is arm punts to Mac Hollins all night long. I don't think that's a winning Super Bowl formula. But he cashed my ticket over two and a half receptions. He certainly cashed people's tickets for longest reception. yeah I mean anytime touchdown did you did you reach out to uh Mac uh after the game so I didn't reach out to him after the game he texted me after the game basically apologizing that I came that I came all the way out there and they lost and that kind of made me feel bad because I think that's the consensus for a lot of the players on the Patriots like I saw Drake May after the game and he was like I felt bad I ruined my family's night and it's like you guys are the ones that are putting in the work like right all i had to do was just get on a six hour flight to come across the country right and you came out there for me not him tell him i mean right it was work he was out there working yeah um well i was jealous uh of you guys i saw some of the clips that you put on social media and uh looked like you had a fun uh fun time i had asked taylor off the air i'll ask you stu guys who do you think was the best radio rogue guest that you guys got while you were out there the biggest name and then the best guest oh the biggest name okay so those are two very different questions as you know um biggest name i'm trying to go through the rolodex of whether it was bijon robinson uh that's who taylor said he told me bijon robinson yeah um i'm trying to think was there anyone else taylor are we leaving i also mentioned Tyler Shuck just because he's a starting quarterback. Oh, I have Tyler Shuck's number. This is very exciting. Gronk. Gronk was a big one. Radio Romaine's day. It's debatable. I would probably say Bijan Robinson. And then in terms of who was the best guest, not even close. Slam dunk. Best guest in the history of sports radio and the history of Radio Row and the history of Super Bowls. It was Christopher Maddugrissa. He lit up the stage for a half hour, Hawk. Yes. He's I mean, that's like he give him a forum. Yeah. And, you know, even beyond his own show shows, give him a forum like that guy is just gold for radio. Yes. Hawk, I've had a couple like don't meet your hero moments with people over the course of my life. And that's what I was kind of worried about with Christopher Mad Dog Russo being like somebody that I grew up listening to on sports radio. Then he showed up and whatever expectations I had for him, he blew them completely out of the water delivered. Yes. Yes. But it seems like salt of the earth kind of guy to where he would, if he was going out to dinner, he'd make sure Taylor was coming to like, he just seems like he's an every man. Hawk. What made this, uh, this particular visit from, uh, Christopher Mad Dog Russo. So good. He's been on the show with me several times. but we have a the relationship I have with Chris is different than the relationship I had in years past I do his show every Friday at five it's one of the coolest things that has happened to me later in my career where I have become actual friends with the guy I grew up listening to and the reason I got into this business and so we had an ongoing bet all year regular season record for NFL bets and I beat him so he owes me a guest and then we carried into the postseason and I beat him again And so now he owes us two guests. But there's a real friendship there and a relationship there. And so when he came over, it was a different man. He was letting it fly. Like he was putting on a show for our audience, the people on Radio Row. And he knew he was doing it. And he said that I have the ability, unlike many people, to draw it out of him. And so it was amazing. I don't know. He's got that that Hackman vibe, which is I'll give you what you want. I know what you want. When I sit down, whether I give it to you or not is my decision. But when I sit down, I know what you're looking for. And for you, he gives it to you. Oh, he does every single time. Yeah. Listen, I'm so jealous. Maybe one day we'll be on his private jet back from the Super Bowl next year. Taylor, we'll go for it. I'm all take gummies together. That's what he does. He calls it. So all he talks about is his gummies, man. He sent me a picture. He goes, you're jealous, too. I'm like, but here's the thing. I have a clip from the Levitard show. I was looking through the archives of just Radio Row, and we were out there. I think our first one was 2006, which was in Miami. The Bears were playing. Yes. That was the Devin Hester kickoff return game, I think. 2006. So you're talking about Bears and Colts, right? Yes. I think we went to Jacksonville. Was it not the year before? Was that the year before? Maybe I think it was the year before. That's where we met Frank Caliendo. That's when we played the K-Rodge clip. His tongue is bleeding. He's on Radio Row and Ray Lewis is here. That was the year before? Yeah, I think it was the year before. And by the way, just to answer your question again for a second time about this year's Radio Row, Frank Caliendo asking Chris Sims questions was a close second in terms of highlights. Caliendo fucking crushed it. Talk about guys who know what you want and gives it to you. He gave it to us, Hawk. He's so good. I went and saw him a couple weeks ago in Naples doing stand-up. And he is just, I love guys who can control a conversation, control a story, control a stage. From the moment he walks out on a stage, just like the moment he signs on to a radio show, he is in full control. And there's never weak moments. He is just delivering. Bap, bap, bap, bap, bap. Just delivering. yes so sims's first coach in the nfl was john gruden and caliendo was talking to sims as gruden and sims was like i am getting chills flashbacks whatever to my times from tampa bay with gruden as the coach yes and sims loved it he did uh by the way taylor so taylor says to me what do you want to do with frank and i said just just hand him my weekend observations and let him go and tell us like I don't think that's a good idea but you and I know Frank Hawk and and he loves that yeah he loves that and he killed it he did the weekend observations and he crushed it I'm just looking online it looks like Jacksonville was 05 and then Detroit was 06 and then Miami was 07 it was really the 06 season but the the radio row was 07 I think we skipped Detroit yeah yeah we didn't go to detroit but i so i'm watching clips from you guys and you know again you're doing a network show yeah and you've got a network setup and the years that dan ended up doing it for you guys with espn which was after my time you guys had a network setup but this clip that i have from 06 07 is us literally at a table yeah with all the local radio stations yeah what i like about the clip was it's just the three of us chopping it up there's no like there you know i've played on this podcast with stu gotts and hockman we've done a lot of bits we've done a lot of the funny things that we had put together this is really just us chopping it up at radio row and i thought there was something, I don't know, like pure about it. You could tell Dan doesn't really want to be there, but he still knows like, hey, we're a local AM radio show. He didn't have aspirations at that time to be a network show. Now, maybe doing the show from the local tables awakened something in him. And he started to think, I don't want to be at the local tables anymore. You think? Yeah. So no, but Hawk, I remember this. What happened was we just did our show where you have every other table, every other producer going after every single guest who walks through that place. And we're like, nah, let's just take a deep breath, settle down, do our show, have a conversation. I had a similar conversation with Taylor this year where I was like, hey, enough of these seven or eight minutes. Let's get Chris Russo on. Let's get Dominique Foxworth on. Let's get people on and just do show. And it turned out to be the best moments of our show from the week. But I think what you enjoyed about this is everyone else is trying to generate content with guests. And we're just doing it and doing it better than everyone else. Just the three of us. And what would happen, too, is because Dan had cachet from being on ESPN and being a Herald columnist, we were able to get some big name guests to come over who normally wouldn't wade into the local tables. Right. You know what I mean? Like they'll do the little network roundabout, but they will not wade into the local tables. It was different back in 06 and 07 as well. Like you had, there's a story that I share in here where I'm going up to Johnny Knox, who was a Bears receiver, and I'm actually going up to the wrong person. But the fact that Johnny Knox is in the game but he just kind of waltzing around Radio Row is funny because that doesn happen anymore I don think No it doesn Radio Row changed Doc I don know It so different It's so different. I mean, they charge admission for fans to watch it. So it's like completely different. We did a bit. We mentioned it on this little conversation that we're having here because Roy is with us. And we found that when you put on a pair of glasses on Roy's sunglasses, kind of looks like T.O. Yeah. And we were like, well, you remember that? Like, hey, let's walk Roy around and pretend it's T.O. Yeah. I was part of his entourage. Yeah. So, yeah. Yes. We fooled stations. It's easy. You can fool anybody on Radio Row because they're just looking for fresh meat. Yep. Yes. We trick stations, Taylor, into convincing them that Roy was Terrell Owens. And Hawk is right. It was just the glasses. It was great. And, you know, Roy doesn't care. let's walk around and pretend that he's important it was a really funny bit anyway here's just a little conversation that we're having on radio row uh 2007 in miami bears are playing and we're just kind of me you dan we're just kind of chopping it up so what happened here hawk today as you wandered around here glad handling and doing your schmoozing well i'm you know i'm into the celebrity thing so i get caught up in it it feels like a casino to me i just i love the energy of Radio Row, and I will walk up to anyone and ask for a photograph, and those people that subscribe to our Twitter account know that because I am tweeting out photos of me. I took a photo with Cliff Floyd. Why'd I do that? I don't know, but Cliff Floyd was there. So I'm standing, and Mike Marchant, the executive producer of the Sedano show, says to me, that's Johnny Knox over there. Now, you know me. I'm a Bears fan. Big Bears fan. Of course. So I think this is going to be cool. I wouldn't recognize Johnny Knox if he came in here in uniform, introduced himself as Johnny Knox, and kissed me hard on the mouth. Okay, well, I'm glad you feel that way, because he was standing next to someone. And I said to Mike Marchant, is that Johnny Knox? And he said, yes. I said, please follow me with your camera. I'm going to go up to him, and I'd like to take a picture with him. I walk right up to the big guy, because I figure a football player is a big guy. Johnny Knox apparently small. I look him straight in the eyes. He's next to Johnny Knox. I look him straight in the eyes and I say, Johnny, I am a diehard Bears fan. And I would like nothing more than to take a photo with you. Hold on a second. Johnny Knox is your returner, right? He's a speedster. And a receiver. And a rookie wide receiver. And smaller than me, apparently. I was talking to Jacoby Jones. Johnny Knox was right next to him. Right. And I looked at Jacoby Jones. I'm telling you, eye-to-eye contact. Johnny, I am a die-hard Bears fan. Let me explain to you what has happened here. You are the person I despise at cocktail parties. Because I cannot tell you how often I will be at a cocktail party and something like that will happen to me. Hey, I'm a huge, huge fan. Who are you again? Or what is your name again? You are that guy. Well, I did it also. I'm walking down Radio Row, and somebody that I know introduces me. He says, Ha, come here for a second. I want to introduce you to Bob Papa. Now, I know who Bob Papa is. I don't know how. Well, tell the audience, because the audience probably isn't going to know who that is. Bob Papa does the play-by-play for the NFL Network for the football game. So I've seen him. So I walk up to him. I shake his hand, and I say, Bob, I am a huge fan of yours. And let me just tell you, for the NFL Network, it was a huge upgrade when they hired you over Gumbel. Unapologetically, I don't mean a word of that. So you're just lying to him? Lied to him. You're making small talk? What are you doing? You just want to make him feel good? I wanted to make him feel good. I said that, and I walked away with a flourish. I just said, huge upgrade over Gumbel, and I turned around and I walked away. All right, so you have some of that to look forward to today. There's the very real chance. There are probably radio stories, I would guess, on Radio Row. I'm guessing that has to have happened at some time, given how many people are here, given how many celebrities are here, given how many young people work in radio, where someone has been brought over to a table and the interview starts and the interviewer thinks that he is interviewing someone other than who he is interviewing. That has to happen at least sometimes, given that people are just walking by here. So it's possible that during the middle of a conversation that you and I are having on air, if they sat Johnny Knox down here, I would have no idea who it was. I wouldn't recognize him. So I guess that we could probably produce some pretty awkward radio moments with just sitting people. We should probably do that as a show. Just sit people in front of me. Don't tell us who they are. Just don't tell me who they are and let me interview. Let me ask questions that are meant to guess who they are instead of asking. Well, didn't we do that with MysteryCast at one point? Well, let's do it in person. No, I know. It would be great. You could sit Jacoby Jones down here, and I'd never guess it. I would ask him question after question and never arrive at who the hell it was. You know what might be even funnier is Roy, our associate producer, has a resemblance to Terrell Owens. He does. He really does. No, he really does. Now, if we have Mike Ryan take a notepad, have Roy walk behind him, and then me and Jerron and Guzio will walk behind them yelling, T.O., can you do our show? T.O., can you do our show? Everyone will jump in on that. Everyone. Please do this. And I bet we can get Roy interviewed by a station here. Yes, we can. Thinking that he's T.O. Yes, we can. I don't think you can. Absolutely. If we create the frenzy. I'd like to see you do that. I think that's our goal before 7 o'clock. But you're right. Roy interviewed as Terrell Owens. And I don't want Roy to ever fall out of character. I want him. Oh, and let's make some national news where Roy just says outlandish thing. Rip skates everybody. The NFL is racist. But Hawk's right because we need to sell it. We need to have people behind Roy. T.O., T.O., T.O. We really need to act this out and sell it. We can pull it off. That's what happens here on Radio Rose. It just becomes, look at that, we're putting sunglasses on. I am telling you right. I almost want to take a picture with Roy right now. He looks so much like T.O. Who is this behind us? What is the name of this show behind us here? What's happening here behind us? This is right behind us, I believe, is Nasty Nestor from Baltimore. I think we've battled with him before on Radio Row. And to our left behind us is a show called the Cowhead Show. It's the Cowhead Show. Cowhead. Cowhead. Cowhead. I don't want to say that too loudly. This is the lowest rung of show business. Yes. On the show business ladder. You've arrived. We have Cowherd. And that station over there, they have Cowhead. So we are broadcasting here at the height of journalism and programming next to something called the Cowhead. And, of course, what station is this? What is the bone? Yeah. Or did that go without saying that Cowhead would be on the bone? Tiki Barber with us next on 790 The Bone. There's so much going on there. One of the reasons that I like that is, again, it's like very, I don't know, friendly and vibey. We're just kind of chatting and doing whatever. But, Dan, you start to get that feel of Dan going, what am I doing next to Cowhead at the Bone and Nasty Nestor and all these other local radio tables? Literally, we're at fold-out tables with a banner draped over. A couple of things that stuck out to me. I cannot believe that you met Bob Papa. And that Dan didn't know who Bob Papa was. And the other thing, like many of our ideas, we just talked about on air. And we would form an idea. and listening back to that, Hawk, it was your call. It was a great call. It's why you're great. Well, you were great as the executive producer and are great as a host. That was your idea, like right on the fly, doing that with Roy. The other thing that stuck out to me is I cannot believe Dan agreed to Tiki Barber. Like your dream show there is Bob Papa followed by Tiki Barber. barber together and then maybe walking over to cowhead at the bone and asking him how his day's going yes huck i've been struggling to put into words my radio row experience and then when i'm listening to you say sometimes at radio row you just say things that is exactly how i felt because i saw liam cone the jaguars head coach and the second he walked by i said liam cone you were my vote for coach of the year and he turned around and said thank you and i go i also didn't have a vote for coach of the year it's weird you want you like you see people that you only see on television and so like you want this moment um where they feel a connection with you right so you say anything to them and i'm telling you i go up to johnny knox and i and i the the way that it happened it's still like i it still keeps me up at night when i think about it i walked johnny knox is standing right next to Jacoby Jones. Jacoby Jones is huge. Yes. Jacoby Jones. I walk right up to him. My eyes are in his eyes. I go, Johnny Knox. I am a diehard bears fan. Huge fan, man, huge fan. And Johnny Knox, who I am obviously not looking at says I'm Johnny Knox. I'm staring right at Jacoby Jones. And I just casually glance over to Johnny Knox. And I go, I know. And it was obvious I didn't know. I was staring. I made a beeline to Jacoby Jones. Yes. And pretended that Johnny Knox wasn't there because he was so small. I didn't think he was a football player. Right. And then I just went, oh, yeah, I know. Can I get a picture with you? And I have a picture with Johnny Knox. That's so funny. By the way, you are not staring. Jacoby Jones was one of the most menacing, physically menacing. He was built. He was ripped. you were not looking at Jacoby Jones in the eyes, Hock. He's 6'3". I wasn't looking at his nipples. You were staring at his penis. What if mind control is real? 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You can DM me on Instagram and ask for things on the show. Yes. Some of the things that we've gotten on DM have turned into stuff that we hadn't remembered and then we played, and it was the Vicodin segment and punish the listeners. We hadn't recalled that stuff and we ended up playing it. I have received so many. We didn't do any pods last week because you guys were busy with Radio Row, but I have received so many DMs. It's Radio Mark Hockman on Instagram. Here's some of them just to do a little housekeeping here. Okay. Hey, Hawk, blah, blah, blah, with the Canes being successful this season, I think it would be a great listen. When Stu Gatz was talking about having Mongolian beef at P.F. Chang's restaurant after he left the 2003 Hurricanes Gators game early before the Canes made their huge comeback. Yes. He spoke about going on the air the very next day and ripping fans for leaving early. Yes. When he himself later admitted he left the game early to go to P.F. Chang's. Yes. One of the great moments. We should play that back. I did. I ripped all Canes fans for leaving that game early. And then a couple of days later revealed to everyone that I, too, left that game early. So you left one of the didn't you leave the Ray Allen game early for the heat? Yeah, just a shot early. Yep. Listen, you will agree with me, right? Life is all about a good parking spot and getting home early. You know, I will no longer agree. A good parking spot. Yes. A good out. You know, my dad was the king of we got to get out early. Right. And as I've gotten older, I'm like, why did we have to get out early? Where did we have to go? He wanted to get home. He had worked for what? What are we trying to get home for? Fair. Somebody DMs. Hey, Hawk. First time. Long time. Would love to reminisce. Leroy Jenkins. Oh, boy. Also, good memories are the family feud. We'll have to do the Leroy Jenkins. Yes. One day. Yes. Big part. Yes, man. There's so many here. Somebody DM me a picture. I always pictured Lombardo looking like the Doonesbury character with a rough five o'clock shadow. This is and he sends me a picture. That's how he that's how he. Pictures Lombardo. We have to play Lombardo at some point. I would say he would fall into top five callers of all time on our show. Like Benny is one. Lombardo is two. Lombardo's up there. I don't have a fake Pavarotti or a fifth. Fake Pavarotti. Oh, we could do an entire show. And we will. Fake Pavarotti. That's one of the most requested DMs. One of the most requested characters that I get via DM. Somebody DMs. I'd like to learn more about the 790 the ticket Marlins deal. $7.90 Wednesdays. What type of negotiation did Stu Gatz and Samson have? You did that. That's before Samson was part of the show. We had a deal with 790 the ticket where you can get into a Marlins game for $7.90. Yes, we did do that. I don't know if I did that directly with David Samson. I think, well, the negotiation I did with Samson, and well, there's been several negotiations. unfortunately, not to bring up a touchy subject. But we will do something on the Marlins negotiation. The $7.90 Wednesday night ticket, I believe, was the Marlins idea. And Howard Davis brought it to me. And I was like, yeah, that sounds cool, right? Like, that's a great radio promotion to have. It was. And the Marlins couldn't sell a ticket to save their lives. Like, if they can sell 100 more tickets. Right. $7.90. Good deal. Number one. Somebody says, hey, Hawk, love the show with Stugatz. I really want to hear cats used to be currency bit. Keep up the great work. I'm not certain if the bit is worth anything. It's just that final line where I say cats used to be currency. It's a ridiculous line. Hawk and Stugatz absolutely loving the new podcast. My dad and I were on the road to New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl. I put on the Tony Danza episode and we were both dying laughing. We ended up listening back to all of them. Neither of us miss an episode was awesome to get the opportunity to listen to some of the best moments from the show with the guy who first introduced me all to it. Thank you all for giving us this. There's so many. I don't. So, you know, everybody wants to hear fake Pavarotti. They want to hear poop shoes. They want to hear the games, which we will get to the games. Somebody says, hey, Mark, love the show with Stu Gatz. I've been listening since the 790 days. I want to hear the episode about the Rogaine spot that went downhill very quickly. That's one of the best. So these DMs, I jar my memory. That's something I forgot. I haven't thought about that a decade, Hawk. And now that you say it, I'm like laughing out loud because I know it was fun. We're going to do an episode on it. It was my only live spot back in the day because Stu Gatz had all the live spots. but I was the only guy going bald and there was a Rogaine live spot, live endorsement. So I got it and I would get on the air. I want to save this for an episode, but I would get on the air for my live spot. It would be at the end of a segment. I would say, you know what guys, I don't know if you're watching along, but I'd use this Rogaine at home. I was reading the copy or whatever. And finally, Dan just can't take it anymore. And he's like, and I'm looking at him. I'm trying to do the live spot and he's laughing. Yeah. And I go, what, why are you laughing? He's like, because you have six damn sprouts on the top of your head. Not what you want when you're doing a live spot. Not what you want when you're doing a live spot. Yeah, just laughing at you. But he was right. A lot of people want to hear the games and the robot. This is an interesting DM we got. I'm pretty much caught up with Stugatz and Hockman pods. I love them. I grew up in Miami Lakes. I began to work out at Don Shula's athletic club around 17 and would run into Jim Mandich all the time. Extremely nice guy. He would even do the all right Miami for us upon request. He lived in the area nearby at a Shula Stake 2. They had a studio where Hank Goldberg and, of course, Stu Gatz would do a show there. Remember, they had that studio. Yes. I think we used that for the Levitard show, that studio. Well, we did. I took the Shula Steak 2 money and took it away from 560, converted it to 790, and suddenly Dan was doing exactly what he didn't want to do, hosting a show at the Shula Steak 2 steakhouse in a tiny little studio. It was almost like a DJ booth. Yes. Yeah. They used to do the trivia show from there. Defoe, Gergs. You remember that? I remember when 790 started in 2004, I was super busy, but I would listen as much as I could for as long as I have listened to talk radio. Neil Rogers and Phil Hendry included. I will never forget how great radio was during the dismal one in 15 season and the songs of callers, as you explained in a recent episode, like the one with Queen, fake Queen was just extraordinary for the time. and the talent of the listeners was something of a historic proponent of early day radio. Yes. There are two Stugatz memories I'd like you to find in the archives. One, where he fell off a ladder trying to get a lizard down from his house. Oh, that was dangerous. I don't recall that. Yeah, I know. I drove myself to the emergency room, you know. I did. It was that bad. No, because I stood on the top step of the ladder, and it clearly says, don't step on the top step, the very top step. of the ladder and the ladder came out from underneath of me and so i was i was in i was in a ton of pain man i drove myself to the emergency room because my wife had to take care of the kids the kids were mortified not that their dad almost broke his neck uh lizard i mean his number two request was when you called the police because there was a frog in your house uh yep bullfrog i remember that i remember that you're calling the police but there's a big difference between a frog and a bullfrog okay i mean listen i'm on your side on this one i wouldn't know if there was a frog in my house i wouldn't know what to do right i don't want to give up too much of that story because we can't do an entire episode on it but there are details that are being left out there from that dm the guy says thanks for covering the gas station with stugatz already i remember listening to mark hackman in my car and so glad you've done an episode on it already hamburguesa con queso is fantastic to this day i still catch you and crowder on the odyssey app especially when our local teams like the panthers and canes are making championship runs i got asked why i still listen to local am radio while there are so many podcasts out there there would be the technology today if it wasn't there wouldn't be the technology today if it wasn't for you guys two a days with you and stew were so funny cocky heat fans yeah so glad you guys are doing what you're doing and uh the early levitard show and your current show some of the best radio that i've ever heard can't wait for more episodes nelson but anyway there was one other one so i like the ones where it there's a request and all of a sudden it's like oh i think i kind of remember that so some guy dms and he says can you play the pool phone rant and i hadn't really thought about it but it did resonate with me i remember having a pool phone rant and i thought i was just ranting on the uselessness of a pool phone when i went back and listened to it and that's not exactly what it is we're on the show me you and dan we're supposed to play an interview that we had taped with jason taylor uh i didn't have it i forgot to bring it from home on my jump drive my trust my trustee it was a different time taylor different times man on my trustee jump drive taylor's like what do you mean you didn't bring the interview from home because it's so long to email something you could still email something but it would just take long but now i'm trying to get in touch with my wife to email it so we can play it but anyway here's the uh the pool phone rant segment that the listener has requested at 6 45 we're supposed to play a jason taylor interview but he forgot to put it on his computer here so now he's trying to get a hold of his wife at home to get we'll know whether jason taylor is on the show better based on whether his wife gets out of the pool or not oh wow well that's he should be outraged though well here's the problem it's his fault he forgot to put on the computer husband is calling asking the wife for a favor she's in the pool i understand but no let me tell you why i'm outraged yes i forgot to put the jason taylor interview on my jump drive right i have been trying to call her for an hour and a half i know she's in the pool with our son right i purposely last summer bought a pool phone i bought a phone that floats in the pool just for an occasion like this. It's awesome. The only thing you have to do as the swimmer is to remember to bring the pool phone into the pool. So she forgot. And now I angry What are you rafling for Are you inside or not No I on his side because there a couple of things at play here When you call and you at work and you call the wife at 90 minutes there could be an emergency at the house Hold on a minute. Answer the phone, and I want to get out of here at 640. Who's is the more egregious offense on the forgetfulness front? The mother who's with the child and forgets to bring the phone in, or the producer who forgets to put Jason Taylor in his computer? Yes, but what if that producer had such foresight a year ago to think maybe I'm going to have an occasion where I need to get a hold of somebody in the swimming pool. I'm going to invest 90 ridiculous dollars in a phone that floats in a pool. It's on her. It's not her job to get out of the pool and produce my show. It's your job. It's your job, not hers. She's being a mother. What if she's out and you're with a kid and she's calling you for 90 minutes and you don't pick up? She's outraged, right? Would never happen. Absolutely, because I keep myself out. There's a phone that works in the strip club. She bought two years ago. Come on, I bought a pool phone. Bring it out when you go to the pool. How hard is that? Yeah, I would say 20 years later, I'm still right, correct? Oh, yes, yes. It's still on her. I mean, the foresight for you to get a pool phone. $90 back then? I still remember it was bright yellow. You just float in the pool. It was waterproof. Yes. Just for an occasion like that. You also heard the building blocks and the fundamentals of our show, which is everyone gangs up against Dan. I'm not even certain I agree with you, but I agree with you for the sake of radio. Anyway, email or DM me that kind of stuff on Instagram, Radio Mark Hockman, because the more stuff we get like that, like I just saw it and it was like pool phone. And I look in the archives and I'm like, oh, sure. Shit, there it is. The pool phone ran. And that was a good moment. Have you discussed this with your wife since then? Like, does she realize how wrong she was? I keep an entire list of things she's done wrong in the last 28 years. You start thinking your wife might be having an affair or something. Right. What are you doing? I got you the phone. It's like casino. It's like Robert De Niro. He gets Sharon Stone, the beeper. She's out with James Woods. What am I doing? I'm doing the pool guy. I'm doing that. I don't have time. What do you mean you don't have time for the pool phone? There's three things when you walk out to the pool. The kid's floaty, a towel, pool phone. Three things. It's not a long checklist. It's like you're not a pilot getting ready for takeoff. You have 19 things you got to check off on the list. Grab a floaty, get a towel, get the pool phone. He's ranting again. It's amazing. He's not over this. I can't. Listen, I got to give you credit. the foresight you bought the phone for that particular moment when and to know that moment was ever need a pool phone but just to have the foresight to realize i might need a pool phone because when i'm working my wife is always in the pool and if there's an emergency i'm gonna need to get her and you got her one i got her one yeah it's on her that's that's an insurance policy and then you finally get a chance to cash in on the insurance policy someone forgot the policy So the pool phone's never been used. Yeah, it never got used. And it never worked well. I think what ended up happening was she did end up calling me on the pool phone. And it sounded like, Yeah, can you email? There's a file on my desk. It says Jason Taylor edited interview. Can you email that to me? Are you in the pool? What? I'm not kidding you. That's how the conversation went. That's how well the pool phone worked. But I do feel like maybe the idea of a phone in the pool seems like a terrible idea and it's not going to work. And I feel like you got duped for 90 bucks now. Yeah, that's like a sharper image purchase in 2006 where it looks great at the sharper image. You're in the mall. And I'm like, you know what? I know you go swimming with DJ. I'm out at work. Probably not a bad idea for you to have a phone accessible in the pool just in case something happens. Yes. And then, you know, technology in 2006. Well, sorry. Yeah, Jason, it says Jason Taylor. Don't send the one that says Jason Taylor unedited. Send Jason Taylor edited. I need you to email it to me as fast as you can. Huh? But the Sharper Image, now that I'm thinking about it, what an amazing racket they were running and are running. Because there were things that would show up at the Sharper Image catalog. You wouldn't see them anywhere else. No other catalogs, no other store. Like, they were the only ones that had this particular product, and you would pay top dollar. They had so much credibility that there's no way you figured to yourself, I'm going to buy something from the Sharper Image, and it's not going to work. we had a we had a topic on the uh on the show me crowd and solana just yesterday what store do you miss shopping at just doesn't exist anymore what store do you miss shopping at and uh for me it was specs or peaches i loved the record store yeah yeah i would say the same probably a record blockbuster blockbuster on a friday night was magic blockbuster on a friday night getting a couple of movies and some snacks with your wife is fantastic oh god what a different time a better time i would say did you guys have steven barry's down south no what was that no steven barry's was like a clothing store and they had every college team but the shirts were like three four dollars and they also had strawberries too the stefano marbury shoes but like that stuff you can get online now like you can go to uh you get anything online but there was something cathartic there was something nice about walking into the store like to your point what i loved because there was no internet so you'd walk into specks or peaches and you didn't know if new albums were out right like you're thumbing through the albums or the discs and like it's all a surprise if somebody has released. Oh, my God. The Art of Noise has a new hell mount. I can't believe this. How did I not know about this? Well, how would I have known about it? They're not calling me. You just have to show up at the store. And they were all done in alphabetical order. You would walk in wanting to purchase one record and walk out with five different records. Walk over to the import section. Oh, my God. They only sell this in Portugal. I don't know how Specs got this. This is incredible. circuit city was the pool phone by the way the pool phone i don't think uh lasted more than a year and a half i think it got rusted out and i'm not kidding you i'm not kidding you it sounds like this really i'm not kidding we have to thank our sponsor deck 84 and burton max's and i'm not kidding you buddha who runs burton max's we were at deck 84 on sunday my wife and i it was such a nice day we went to atlantic avenue before the super bowl walked on atlantic avenue that we had a nice meal at deck 84 that restaurant is fantastic it's right on the water but buddha is at burton max's this is no joke because it's in west delray if you ask for buddha if you go to burton max's and their food's great, if you go to Burton Max's and ask for Buddha and say, hey, I heard Stu Gatz and Hawk talking about you, and I'd like a free Aperol spritz, he'll buy you an Aperol spritz. How many podcasts can offer you that? None. None, right? Yes. You listen to these podcasts. How many podcasts offer you a free Aperol spritz? How many hosts know what an Aperol spritz is? Only you. Only you, my friend. Only me. Yes. Well, go to Burton Max's in Delray. But I'm not kidding you. Actually, Valentine's Day is coming up. Deck 84 or Burton Max's for Valentine's Day? Yes. Those are two perfect spots. Delray Beach is a perfect spot. They're both great places. Buddha is a good friend of both of ours. If you walk in, you just shout out his name like Taylor with Fred Smoot on Radio Row. He is going to take such good care of you. He is because he is friends of both me and Hawk. really good friends. And he's a great guy who knows how to run restaurants. And he runs these two restaurants as well as anyone possibly could. So go there. Just say Buddha. Taylor Vipolis him. Buddha! You look good, Buddha! Deck 84 and Burton Max's. And I should probably promote cameos for Valentine's Day. I know that you're very busy going to the studios. I don't even know if I could get with you because you're not in town right now. But Valentine's Day is Saturday. Are you going to be back before Saturday? No, I'm not going to be back before Saturday. Just I'm being honest with you. Well, okay. If you want a cameo, a Valentine's cameo from me and Stugatz for your wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, whoever, it'll be me with Stugatz on the phone. You'll see him, but I'll be holding up video of him. We'll be on FaceTime. So we won't be at our spot in Meisner Park, but we will be together on your cameo just via FaceTime. So I'm glad you brought this up because a listener has decided to turn the tables on you, my friends. And he sent me a cameo and requested both of us doing it. And he said, Stu, I'm tired of you going to Hawk. Make Hawk come to you. What he doesn't know is the place we meet is equal distance for both of our houses. I got to come up to Chicago to do this one for you. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Well, if you want to. I love that. Send me more. We get more money for those. The 50 50. Yeah, right. Send them to Stugatz. I'll never see a dime of those, but he doesn't see a dime of mine. Yes. If you want a Valentine's Day cameo where Stugatz and I can make the romance return in your relationship, go to cameo and search Hockman or Stugatz. and order your cameo, but you better do it soon because Valentine's Day is Saturday. All right. You and I reviving romance. I mean, we can really spark the romance back in your faltering relationship, your faltering shitty relationship that you have with your wife or your girlfriend, the relationship that's on its last legs. You got to bring in the big guns, the romance delta force, and that is these two guys, It's me and Stugatz and our pool phone. That is the key. Listen, if you're calling your wife in the middle of the day from work and she's not picking up, it's because something's wrong with the relationship. Hock and I will save it for you. If you buy your wife a pool phone and you call her while she's in the pool and she doesn't answer it, she's fucking the pool guy. With Stugatz and Hockman, This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world. The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, a.k.a. neurolinguistic programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11th, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. Hey, if they'll kill a cop and bury them, what are they going to do to me? What really happened to the missing deputy? Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Listen to Valley of Shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.