Too Scary; Didn't Watch

CHRONICLE

94 min
Jan 14, 20263 months ago
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Summary

The hosts of Too Scary; Didn't Watch discuss the film Chronicle (2012), a found-footage superhero origin story about three high school boys who gain telekinetic and flight powers after encountering a mysterious object in a hole. The episode opens with an extended discussion about current political events, systemic injustice, and community organizing as antidotes to fear and paralysis. The hosts emphasize the importance of building local connections, volunteering, and taking tangible action despite feeling overwhelmed.

Insights
  • Isolation and lack of community connection are primary drivers of radicalization and violence; building genuine friendships and community ties is the most effective counter-strategy
  • Absolute power without moral framework or emotional regulation leads to inevitable harm, particularly in young people still developing impulse control and empathy
  • Bullying and systemic abuse create cycles where victims become perpetrators when given power; the solution requires addressing root causes of alienation, not just punishing outcomes
  • Vulnerability and honest communication between friends is essential for preventing escalation; Andrew's isolation after Steve's death was the point of no return
  • Storytelling about power dynamics must be careful not to reinforce narratives that blame women's rejection for men's violence or frame abuse victims as deserving of harm
Trends
Found-footage filmmaking as cost-effective vehicle for high-concept sci-fi with strong profit margins (15M budget, 126M box office)Superhero origin stories exploring psychological deterioration and moral corruption rather than heroic ascensionTeenage male alienation and power fantasy narratives as cultural reflection of real-world radicalization patternsInternational production incentives driving film shoots away from US (Cape Town location for tax/labor benefits)Ensemble chemistry-building techniques (15-day co-habitation) becoming standard practice for authentic on-screen relationships
Topics
Found-footage filmmaking techniques and limitationsTelekinesis and superhero power acquisition narrativesTeenage male alienation and bullying dynamicsAbuse cycles and intergenerational traumaCommunity organizing and mutual aid as political actionHealthcare access and medication affordabilityImmigration enforcement and ICE raidsAuthoritarianism and government overreachTax policy and government spending prioritiesGrief and loss in parenting during political crisisVulnerability in male friendshipsMoral corruption through unchecked powerChosen family and community resilienceApex predator rationalization for violenceHospital security and surveillance footage
Companies
HBO Max
Chronicle is available for streaming exclusively on HBO Max; also home to the Hacks podcast mentioned in the opening
Netflix
Emily mentioned working at Netflix and relocating an entire show from Canada to South Africa due to production costs
Quince
Sponsor providing sustainable clothing; Sammy praised their jeans as affordable and high-quality alternative to fast ...
Headgum
Production company that produces Too Scary; Didn't Watch and other podcasts mentioned in the episode
Spotify
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YouTube
Platform where full video episodes of Too Scary; Didn't Watch are available
People
Dane DeHaan
Starred as Andrew, the protagonist with telekinetic powers; married to co-star Anna Wood in real life
Michael B. Jordan
Played Steve, the popular class president; praised for his acting ability and magnetic presence on screen
Alex Russell
Starred as Matt, Andrew's cousin who serves as moral counterbalance to Andrew's corruption
Josh Trank
Directed Chronicle at age 27, becoming youngest director of #1 box office film; publicly supported abuse allegations ...
Max Landis
Wrote Chronicle; accused of sexual and emotional abuse by eight women in 2019; was removed from set by director Josh ...
John Landis
Father of Max Landis; responsible for deaths of three people including two children on Twilight Zone movie set in 1982
Anna Wood
Played pink-haired girl at party; married to co-star Dane DeHaan; they were high school sweethearts
Steven Spielberg
Referenced as previous youngest director of #1 box office film with Jaws at age 28
Sophie Lucido Johnson
Wrote 'Kin: The Future of Family' about building chosen family networks; listeners sent the hosts a copy
Kristen Stewart
Mentioned as director of 'The Chronology of Water' as example of film with problematic creator involvement
Ryan Gosling
Referenced for frequently quoted statement about Eva Mendez being reason he wanted to have children
Eva Mendez
Co-starred with Ryan Gosling; referenced as example of on-set chemistry leading to real-life relationship
Betsy
Friend of the pod who appears in multiple episodes of CBS show Ghosts
Marybeth Barone
Will be correspondent on Golden Globes red carpet; part of the Baroneys family
Quotes
"I'm an apex predator and he uses his telekinetic force... No, you're a kid who went in a hole. Get over yourself, Andrew."
Matt (character) / Henley (host commentary)Climactic confrontation scene
"Fear and anger are just really, really isolating. And when we get scared and when we get angry, we focus on like self preservation, which is a really individualistic point of view."
Henley (host)Political discussion segment
"I think just like what's one small thing you can do? You can look up a protest in your area. You can look up a volunteer opportunity. You can go talk to your neighbors."
Sammy (host)Community organizing discussion
"We need men policing other men. It is not women's duty alone to police men. And it pisses me off how women are always made responsible for men's behavior."
Emily (host)Max Landis discussion
"You wanted to go to Tibet. So here we are. Now you're into that. You as the camera are now in Tibet and he says, like, I'm really sorry."
Sammy (host recap of ending)Film conclusion
Full Transcript
This is a Head Gump podcast. Hacks is back for its fifth and final season and so is the Hacks podcast. Join the Hacks creators and showrunners Lucia and Yellow, Paul W Downs and Jen Statsky as they unpack the Emmy-winning comedy series. On each episode, hear stories from the set, what goes on in the writer's room and how these beloved characters close out their final season. Watch Hacks streaming exclusively on HBO Max and listen to the Hacks podcast on HBO Max or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Emily, Henley and Sammy and you're listening to Too Scary Didn't Watch. Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. And I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies so I watch them so that you don't have to. We don't normally do this but we're going to talk about the world right now and bad things that are happening because we're all feeling pretty sad and scared and angry and if you don't want to hear this conversation, totally get it and go ahead and skip ahead because yeah we just were feeling the need to kind of talk a bit about Renee Good and all the things that are going on right now and how heavy shit feels. Henley phrased it as it does feel like things are like escalating and it feels weird to not mention that we are feeling feelings about that. Yeah, I think, oh gosh, I don't even know where to begin. I think I'll just start with how I'm feeling which is, you know, even though we don't talk about on the podcast, I think that all of us have been feeling very scared and angry and unsure and uncertain about what's happening in our country and you know when we get together every week I really like to just check in with you guys and find out about your lives and it's a nice like reprieve from my day to day to get to spend time with my friends and that makes me so happy but also like, you know, we know that we have an audience and even if our audience is not massive, there's some kind of responsibility that goes along with that to like speak to what's going on right now even if that feels scary because it's honestly, I will just say like it's scary to speak on these things right now because there no matter what you say, someone's going to come for you like you can't say the right thing all the time. It's just impossible to we're human, we're flawed, we make mistakes. We're not experts in any of this. None of us are politicians or even experts in horror movies. I am not an expert in literally anything except like owning my cats. Like I'm not. I am the world's leading expert in my four, not actually not even Joel's probably better than me at some of it. What I'm trying to say is one of two of the world's leading experts in four individual cats. It's yeah, it's scary and it's really intimidating and we just don't want to like it's scary to think you're going to get something wrong. It's scary to think you're going to unintentionally hurt someone like yeah, it's real. We have because of all the things previously mentioned said things before that have unintentionally been hurtful to communities or individuals and that's really scary and hard and we never want to do that. But we sometimes you just have to like try. Yeah, it's really it's really good to try and it's also really important to not be dominated by fear of getting things wrong because then you can't ever learn to be better. Yeah, yeah. And right now things are escalating just in the fact that we have a lot of video evidence about what happened to Renee Good and we have the vice president of the United States posting that video evidence and telling us to deny what we see, deny what we hear and to label this person a domestic terrorist, a violent person deserving of being shot in the head three times and being called a fucking bitch afterwards. Truly despicable. And yeah, yeah. And on top of even that, that even thing I keep coming back to is like even if those things were true, which they're objectively not. Yeah, you don't just shoot someone three times in the head. How are we justifying that as being the way that our society works? That in and of itself is a horrifying notion. He says that ICE agents have absolute immunity, which is insane. The federal government is saying they have absolute immunity to kill whoever they want to. That is where we are right now. They're saying it and they're doing it. They're saying it and they're doing it. And that is a terrifying step. And I don't know what to do. Like I feel like we need to be. It's just I think the thing that's really frustrating is that like I just don't know what to do. Like it's like you call your Congresspeople, you protest. What what can you do? You give money to people like what what are we to do? And honestly, if ICE agents have absolute immunity, I'm joining fucking ICE. I'm joining ICE and I'm fucking gunning down JD Vance. Like that's where I am right now. Like JD Vance come for me, come for me. And like the thing that's so frustrating about this is that like me even saying that right now is kind of scary. It's scary. Yeah, because it's like who knows what could happen to me for saying that. Like that's where we are with free speech in this country. Like it is just a scary time and it's really and I also think that like for me anyway, what I'm feeling is I'm feeling a deep grief and I think I've been feeling this grief for a while now, but you know, in the past year, it's really ramped up like a grief of how I used to view the world or what I used to think was true in the world, which was that, you know, you could understand humans through rationality and logic. You could appeal to humans through emotions. You could like I thought that I had a kind of grasp on that and that we all did and that like progress was like a basic decency agreement among humans. And that we were like maybe we would have some, you know, missteps, but like progress was kind of the arc of justice was moving forward. And or the arc, what is it? I don't know. Anyway, so I think that I'm just feeling a grief that I wasn't expecting to feel. And I'm in a place of uncertainty of how to deal with it, but at least addressing it and acknowledging it is important. I'm scared for Silas and May. I'm scared having children right now. I don't know how to act in order to make the world a safe place for them. And that's like heartbreaking. And it's heartbreaking to like be raising children, trying to show them like the best in all things, knowing that things are also very, very, very, very dark and very, very, very, very scary and very uncertain. And like evil. That there's like a lot of evil happening right now. And there's a lot of evil happening. And like winning so many spheres that I also have like. I get the feeling of like, like my panic feeling like, like whack-a-mole. Yeah. Where I'm like, like the other day I was like, it's really, you know, spiraling and looking at a lot of things about Renee Good and what's happening in Minneapolis and the like protests and things that are, you know, spiraling out from that. And then being like, oh my God, when was the last time I thought I like donated to or like thought about Palestine? Oh my God. Oh my God, I've forgotten to do my part in helping Palestine. And then just being like, and being like, oh my God, in Iran is without power. And like, what is that? What's happening? And just like this feeling of like, oh my God, oh my God, like, like getting like buried underneath all the evil and the feeling of panic of not knowing what to do. What to do. And there's a lot of, there's a lot of people online who say that, you know, and I think this is true. Like white women are complicit for holding up these structures of evil because we have internalized the patriarchal ideas. We've gone along with the misogyny. We've allowed it to exist for as long as it has because we have failed to educate ourselves and we have claimed being paralyzed by being overwhelmed by this stuff. And first of all, I hear you. I get it. I agree. Also, like I just being honest, like, holy shit, it's a lot. You know, it's a fucking lot. And fuck, I don't know. Just like, fuck is basically how I feel. I was up, I couldn't sleep the other night after not being able to sleep for so many nights because nobody needs sleep more than you. And I couldn't sleep the other night. And I was just watching like video after video after video of like ice raids. And it's too much. I mean, it's just too much. And you have to like stop and take a breath and clear your mind and think like, OK, what is the first small thing I can do? And like one of the first small things is just, I guess, talking about it here, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I think my coping mechanism has been to try to do, yeah, like tangible things. Obviously donating money is really, it was really important. And a lot of organizations that are helping immigrants, undocumented and otherwise, like need a lot of money to do the work that they're doing. And so that is very, very good. But I also like think that in order to feel like physically useful, I'm trying to like get involved in community based things. I think being involved in your community is like the greatest antidote to a lot of the dread and fear that we're feeling is just like connecting with the people around you. We're all feeling the same thing and sharing that with people that you've never met before, I think is like a really powerful thing and just like uniting in caring about your neighbors. I mean, ice was in silver like the other day and like a block from where I used to live. Like this shit's happening everywhere and like you can get involved in something. I don't know what it is going to be in your particular area. Something I found near me is a program called Miri's List that helps resettle refugees and, you know, while it may not necessarily be directly solving an issue caused by ice, like I think still developing ties within your community by any means necessary, like by any way you can in any sort of volunteering or like community or neighborhood council type thing. Like I think just building ties with the people in your community is really the most powerful thing we can do. It's also the most like we can have control over our immediate vicinity and I think a lot of this stuff is intentionally making us feel really overwhelmed and afraid because it's because of that paralyzing factor. And I feel like that's part of the tactic is like making us so scared and overwhelmed that we're like not doing anything at all. And just like while acknowledging that is fucking scary and overwhelming, like Henley said, I think just like what's one small thing you can do? You can look up a protest in your area. You can look up a volunteer opportunity. You can go talk to your neighbors and just be like introduce yourself to a neighbor and just be like, hey, how are you doing? How are you doing? I just want to like get to know the people around me in case we need to like talk to each other. Here's my phone number if you ever need anything. Like I think focusing on the things that you can control the things around you that you have some power in your block where you live. And for me, that's been kind of the most helpful way to direct my energy. And, you know, I'll keep you posted out on those. I'm also doing emergency response training and hopefully that will also introduce me to other members of the community and I'm certain it will. That's a really wait, you should talk about that more, Sammy, because that's really interesting. So in LA, there is a program run by the fire department called Community Emergency Response Team or CERT. And they do free trainings to train people on basic emergency response like first aid, fire safety and like light search and rescue. You're never necessarily going to be asked or forced or like call. You might be called upon to do these things if you want to, but it's not necessarily like you're signing up to like be on the frontline in emergencies. It's just training people so that you have the knowledge and information should you need it. And I think you can you can get as involved as you want with emergency response from the point after receiving the training. But I also am just like, well, I just want to know those things. I think that's helpful to know, especially in a big city where if emergencies are happening, we don't have enough people in the fire department or police department. We can't rely on necessarily someone coming to help us if resources are really strained. Our infrastructure here is not great. So but yeah. And then again, it's just like meeting people in your community who like care to care about their fellow community members. And so I find this really inspiring. I want to look into doing this in Connecticut. Yeah. Fear and anger are just really, really isolating. And when we get scared and when we get angry, we focus on like self preservation, which is a really individualistic point of view. And it can be really easy to look at everyone around you as like evil or bad or like out to get you were like not correct or not like it just I feel that within myself that I like get worked up in a way that like paints other people as being against me. Far more people. I mean, like, not even if I was like, yes, there's evil in the world. We're seeing it in real time. It's for real. Like that we spent a lot of time being like every villain has a backstory and it's like, yeah. And also like, fuck you. But most people are not evil. And most people are not okay with that. And it is really helpful to focus on those people as much as you can and like see yourself as part of the community as part of like, we're, you know, yeah. We have to trust each other. We have to we have to continue to trust each other. Yeah. Even when it's this scary and unstable, we got to keep the social fabric alive. Yeah. Anyway, it's like there isn't really it's kind of just cathartic to talk about it. And it's important to not look away. Yeah. And I'm all about a tax strike or a general strike. Yes, let's do a tax strike. I don't want my fucking tax dollars going to Israel and ice. Yeah. Can we do like, I mean, can we not do that? I don't think we can. But if anyone understands how to do like a tax redirect, like I'll do, I'll pay taxes, redirect those taxes to like legal fees, healthcare costs for people like, but what kind of like what taxes should be. But if someone knows a way to, I will like continue to pay my percentage of taxes to things that make the world a better place and not to. That's a great one. What's happening right now. We should be able to choose what our tax dollars go to. That's a really, that's a very controversial take and has a lot of downsides. I'm sure there's a lot of downsides to that. NPR is just like billions and billions of dollars. But it would be, I mean, can you imagine that'd be great. All to childcare, all to like, yeah. It's just, yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I think one other thing that's within our control that we will remind you of is voting and this is a voting year now. So that's going to be pretty important. It's going to be really important. But also why it's important for us to keep talking about it is because I think the Republicans, they know that they are fucked. Like no one's going to vote for them. And so they're going to, when you're panicked and you're in a corner and you know that you don't have the public support anymore, that's when like these kinds of things really ramp up. And that's what we're seeing right now. I mean, it's just like textbook authoritarianism. It's really textbook stuff. I mean, we've seen it all before. Everyone's saying anyone with a modicum of pattern recognition or knowledge of history knows what's happening. And like, we can't, we can't look away or pretend like it's not. I mean, I would love to, I would love to pretend like it wasn't happening, but it's just, we can't do that right now. Yeah. And there's something to be said for if you are in a population like I believe the three of us are, which is to say privileged white women. It's a lot easier to just, to be like, I'm not going to actually pay attention at what's happening because it's not directly affecting me. In this moment, all the more reason to involve yourself in what's happening. Yes. And if we, if, yeah, it's a voting year, if we're looking for things to do and tangible action to take, there's going to be a lot of people that need support and boots on the ground in the coming months. Yeah. So, yeah. Oh, and I also want to say not to, not to like totally pivot us away, but it just in light of community being important and wonderful. I did check our P.O. box for the first time in seven months and I want to apologize for not having checked it in seven months. Shocked, shocked to see the dates on some of those letters and be like, huh, that was, that was a long time. Really sorry about that on our part. But a lot of you sent us really wonderful letters and just like wedding invitations and pictures of your cats and we got a wedding invitation. We got a lot of wedding invitations. A lot of you got married this year. Congratulations. Sorry, we didn't respond. Again, we, we did not check our mail. We got five wedding invitations. Maybe more. We got a lot of wedding invitations. Picture, yeah, again, pictures of people's pets, pictures of your loved ones. We got like, we received Virginia at Maui 3D, gave us, made us a great little like personalized signs that each of us now have. We received a beautiful hardcover copy of the book, Kin by Sophie Lucido Johnson. Like truly, I, I'm sorry it took us so long, but to open the box and find just like beautiful people waiting there for us was incredibly special. And so really sorry for not calling that out when you sent your beautiful letters and things to us. But thank you for doing it. But also like speaking of being inspired, like there's kindness and good in this world and our listeners are kind and good and that's really beautiful. And like you thought to send us like your like a wedding and that like that's so thank you for like that's, I'm so touched. And I need to speak on this book, Kin too, because that is literally directly referencing a direct antidote to our time, which is okay. So this book, Kin, The Future of Family by Sophie Lucido Johnson. All right, so I'm just going to tell you what it's about. It's a book exploring how to build supportive, chosen family networks beyond the traditional nuclear family to combat loneliness and share life's responsibilities. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yes, yes, it's all about building your community. So go out and if you're interested in that and you're also Sophie is a very talented cartoonist as well. So it's like a very fun, it's a very fun book. It's a gorgeous, it's a gorgeous book. I highly recommend it. She's an artist. Yeah. Anyway, I love you guys. We love you guys. Just yeah, it felt, felt like we wanted to talk about that for a bit. So hopefully that was, I don't know, cathartic for someone to listen to or maybe someone feels inspired instead of hopeless. And maybe you skipped ahead and here you are joining us. Hey, you missed, you didn't miss a thing. Maybe you think everything we said was wrong and stupid and you got some catharsis out of yelling at us about being stupid, dumb, white idiots. And that's fair too. And do what you gotta do. Do what you gotta do. We support it. We support it. And now I'm ready to probably scream about something else, somebody else, something else that I'm probably going to hate. I, uh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. I don't even know what movie we're doing. What are we doing? Me neither, but I mean, this week, I can guess. Are we just doing, are we doing heated rivalry? Ooh, I wish. Heated rivalry. I wish. Too sexy. Definitely watch. We need it. We need it. Too sexy. Did watch. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. 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We are talking about Chronicle came out in 2012. And it was directed by Josh Trank and written by Max Landis asterisk. We're gonna come back to that. Oh, starring Dane Dahan, Alex Russell and Michael B Jordan. Oh, although wait, hold on, I need to do some math. He was still he was an adult in 2012. Oh, isn't he like our age? So he's like, yeah, we're the same age and we were adults in 2012. So it's fine. We're always the same age as him. So he can always be sex to us and it's never wrong. Absolutely. 100%. Chronicle streaming on HBO. Have you guys heard of this movie? No, no, I'm familiar with it at all. It's has been recommended a lot. I have always heard that this is like a pretty fun found footage movie. You guys know I'm a fan of found footage. And I was about halfway through it when I like to watch movies while on IMDB on my phone, kind of reading about everybody involved to what other stuff they did. And I was about halfway through when I stumbled upon the Max Landis thing, I recognize the name as wait, that's a bad guy, right? No, no, you may. Max batter is John bad. Well, I'd say both. Okay, cool. Like father like son. John Landis, if you recall, I think it was a bonus episode. We talked about how John Landis was responsible for the death of three people, including two children on the set of the 1982 Twilight Zone movie. Oh, God, through some kind of like negligence in terms of set safety. It was a really fucking horrible, horrible thing that happened. And Max Landis, his son was accused of sexual and emotional abuse by, I believe, eight separate women. Wow. Okay. So as I was halfway through the movie, I was like, I might not have picked this one. Knowing that at the time, but here we are. We are as a slight. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's fucking rampant. I don't know. I was gonna say if we and again, we everyone, everyone can and should and ought to make the individual choices that they need to make to protect their peace. But if we were going to rule out any movie that had a sexual predator involved, we would watch zero movies, I'm pretty sure. We would, you know, we would watch and maybe someday I might eat my hat, but we could watch the chronology of water directed by Kristen Stewart. I do want to see that. But yeah, so it's yeah, yeah. Yeah, so a slight thing that made me feel a little better is that in 2019, so this movie came out in 2012, the accusations were made in 2019. And Josh Trank, the director of this movie came out and said, I will, I 100% believe every word of these accusations. I banned Max from set because he was like being creepy to women and like, I haven't spoken to him since. So he was kind of like booted off the set of this movie. And it sounds like Josh Trank also hates him. So that's like, yes, good. And a reminder that we need men policing other men. It is not women's duty alone to police men. And it pisses me off how women are always made responsible for men's behavior. We need men policing other men. We need the men saying, get the fuck out. You're being weird. Yeah, we need more of that. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for your service, Josh Trank. Thank you, Josh Trank. Thanks, Josh. This movie has an 85% on Rotten Tomatoes, a 69% on Metacritic. Nice. Nice. You said this movie wasn't sexy, Sammy. And a seven on IMDb. 100%. The budget was 15 million and it made 126.6 million. Wow. That's a lot more. So I have truly never heard of this movie, neither. You probably will wreck. We're going to watch the trailer after the movie because it does spoil a lot. And I feel like you'll probably remember the trailer. We worked on this trailer at my work, so maybe I just have like an outsized memory. You would remember. Yeah. I know I didn't work on the trailer. I know I didn't. Yes. So, fair. But yeah, I feel like with a lot of found footage movies, you get this like huge profit margin because they're relatively cheap to make and 10 to 15 million with Michael B. Jordan. I mean, he was already, you know, that's that's money well spent. Yeah, I bet 10. 10 went to 10 went to MBJ. MBJ. After this movie, Josh Trank was in high demand, obviously, after having such a huge success. And he went on to direct the Fantastic Four movie with Michael B. Jordan. Oh, the 2015 one. And it seems like it it made quite a hit on his career. That sucks. That really is a bummer that that happened. Yeah. Because that's like notoriously like the worst movie ever made or something. People really don't like it. I mean, it's yeah, it's I've never seen it. But it's not bad enough to be good again. I don't think like the room is one of the most notoriously bad movies ever made. But it's like so bad that's fun and good again. And probably it will have like yeah, some movies are just some movies are just bad. Unfortunately, this one I think is just plain bad. Yeah. Yeah. Chronicle made Josh Trank the youngest person to direct a movie that premiered at number one at the box office. He was 27 at the time. Beating up Steven Spielberg, who was 28 when Jaws came out. So really sticking it to Steven. The movie was shot in Cape Town. And they had to bring in a bunch of cars because in Cape Town, they drive on the opposite side of the road with like, right. And I thought that's so crazy. The way that the film industry works. This is not a new thought to have, but just like that it's cheaper to fly a bunch of cars to South Africa than to shoot anywhere in the United States. When I was at Netflix, we moved an entire show from Canada to South Africa. Yeah. And that meant we shipped all the sets. We shipped everything from Canada to South Africa. It cost like a million millions of dollars. It's like, what the fuck? It's insane. They shoot the CBS show Ghosts outside of Montreal. Friend of the pod, correspondent Betsy is in many episodes of Ghosts. And the house that they filmed the pilot in that the whole series is based in this house is a real house in Los Angeles. And they built the house on a lot in Montreal and fly all the actors out from LA to Montreal to shoot. It's nonsense. But that's how expensive it is to shoot in Los Angeles specifically. Yeah. Yeah. That's a whole separate issue. I'm going to talk about that. Hollywood's fine. Hollywood's thriving. The Golden Globes are tonight. And Marybeth Barone is going to be a correspondent on the red carpet. It's a big day for the Baroneys. Big day. The last little piece of trivia I have is that Josh Trank got the three starring guys, Dane Dehaun, Alex Russell and Michael B. Jordan to live together for 15 days before they began shooting so that they would have. I love it when they do that. I really do too. I love it. I love it. It's funny to be like 15 days is like fucking nothing. It's not that long. But that is just to build a little sense of realistic friendship between them. That kind of stuff is important. I love it. Chemistry is crucial. Yeah. It's like how Eva Mendez and Ryan Gosling fell in love. Oh my God. That's a great point. Just like it. It's just like that. I think Dane Dehaun is in that movie. If I had a freaking nickel for every time I've seen the quote somewhere of Ryan Gosling being like once I did that movie with Eva, I knew I would never want to have a family without her. I see it all the time. You know what? Did it just recently come back? Like, did he say that recently? I don't know. Or is that an old quote? Because it's everywhere. Around. It's everywhere. It's everywhere. We need everyone to know Ryan Gosling would never have had children if it weren't for him having fake children with Eva Mendez. His publicist is like, you know what? It's been a few years. Let's let's do the rounds. Let's do that quote again. People need the quote. They need a refresher. Time to remind everybody. Shut people the quote. Well, he's going to be in a movie this year, Project Hail Mary. And I'm sure he'll be. I'm sure he'll be doing the circuits. He'll be seeing it. He'll be seeing that quote again for that movie. Me too. I love I love Ryan Gosling. Me too. He's great. What's not to love? I love Eva Mendez. What's not to love? OK, that's all the trivia I have. And as I mentioned, we are going to be watching the trailer at the end because it's spoilery that'll be available on our Patreon if you desire to see our reactions to it. And if indeed it strikes any memory in you too, like maybe I can't wait to find out if it strikes a memory. I'm part of me's like 2012. I was seeing all kinds of movies back then by accident. You know, so I did not see this. That was when you could see trailers without your consent, without your permission. Yeah. OK, let's get into this recap trigger warning for child abuse. Oh, God damn it. Sorry. Sorry. Today is not the day for that, but I'm going to do my best. Also, it's tried January for me. So. Not for me. Sometimes a glass of wine makes it a little bit easier to tolerate. You guys, I had a martini last night and I got such bad acid reflux that it feels like I have a lump in my throat. Has that ever happened to you, Emily? Yeah. It's horrible. It's like your esophagus gets inflamed and I woke up and I was like, there's a golf ball in my throat. Ow. This remember when I was having like really bad heartburn, like right around when I turned 30? Yeah. It was like I felt it's like almost like you have like mucus in your throat, but you don't have to. It feels like or like or like I've swallowed a pill and it's like stuck in there. It's fucking awful. So yeah, it's going to be dry January for me, I think. From one from one cocktail, irritating my esophagus. I'm doing I'm doing damp January, you know? Yeah. We're not going. It's no, we're not soaking wet, but not. That's a lighter load. It's not stopping January, but it's not, you know, it's not bone dry, but. Everything in moderation. No, we're just doing what we can here. Any who I'm ready. All right, I'm ready. Let's do it. We begin with our protagonist. His name is Andrew. He is setting up a camera facing a mirror. So we're establishing that everything we see is going to be the point of view of this camera. This is Dane Dahon. And I will say some of the found footage, POV work in this movie is a little loose. There's some times where I'm like, I don't think that camera shot. Different camera. But as he's setting up this camera, we're hearing pounding on the door. His dad is screaming, open this door. Andrew is yelling, no, dad, it's drunk or you're drunk. It's seven thirty in the morning and you're drunk. He's like, why don't you say to me, you open this fucking door right now? Clearly, this is like a abusive father. And it seems like he's setting up the camera as a way to like capture evidence of this. Oh, man. And his door is locked. It does his dad eventually like wanders off, leaves him alone. We see him take the camera downstairs. He's filming his mom in bed. She has cancer and a breathing tube and is, you know, kind of out of it. But he's at her bedside. They have a sweet moment together. It's clear that he really loves her and cares about her. And they just have like a nice, sweet little moment. Then he goes off to school bringing the camera. He's filming. He gets picked up by his cousin, Matt, and he's filming as they're driving to school. Matt's kind of like, what's up with the camera? He's like, oh, you know, just documenting stuff. So he's like a high schooler. He's a high schooler. Yeah. OK. So we're off to high school. We walk in the halls. He's again filming everything. I guess I guess we can I can stop pointing that out. He'll the whole movie is him filming stuff. But in the beginning, there is a lot of like, why are you filming, man? Like, what's this camera all about? And then eventually explained to us the premise. Right. How is this happening? And the audience seeing what is this going to be happening the whole time? We see in the halls of this high school posters of Michael B. Jordan everywhere, you love to see it, even though he's a high school student. And that is only OK if you're also a high school student. But they're all saying vote for Steve. He's running for class president. I'd vote for him. Kind of looks like a like a jock, obviously very popular. Obviously, it's Michael B. Jordan. He's going to be part of he's ever played a non popular. That's a great person. I feel like it's like. No, because we wouldn't we wouldn't buy it. Yeah. You guys have never you guys have never seen the wire, but he's in the wire. No, I watch. I watch that. I watch that season of the wire. That's tough. It's tough. One that is a tough thing. He's a little child in that he's really cute. Children shouldn't ask, but he he was a great child actor. Yeah, because he's a great actor, because he's a great actor. Actor he's magnetic. He's powerful. We rewatched centers last night and he's just really good. He's so good in it. I saw someone saying that he should be nominated twice for that. He should get double double the odds. Yeah. Unfortunately for him, I mean, we'll see if I'm proven wrong, but I don't think it would matter. You think it's going to Timmy or Leo? Yeah. Yeah. Is what I think. It's probably true. Is Michael B. Jordan is phenomenal in that movie. But I just don't think I don't think it's his to take home. Yeah, I bet he'll win. He'll probably not the Oscar, but I bet he'll win. I bet he'll win. He should. Yeah, maybe he'll win a golden. He should win something for sure. Yeah. That's a good reminder that you can rewatch centers. You can. It's currently streaming on multiple streaming platforms, even though I think actually all of them are the same streaming platform now. Right. Right. They're because we can find it in click by clicking different icons, but it's all by the same company. Amazing. Yeah, that's they make it so easy. A good use of my free will is just rewatch centers. You can choose whether you watch it on Prime or HBO Max, or if you have a subscription of four HBO Max through Prime or some Prime, which I do or through Hulu. Oh, pretty exciting stuff. Sick. We see that Andrew is, of course, being bullied by everybody. There is a particular group of bullies. I don't know, Maine Bullies name, but he yanks the camera away from Andrew. He's making fun of him. And then he like throws the camera back at him. Looks like it almost breaks it, but it doesn't. But it's not seeming like Andrew's got a lot of friends at school. Matt, who drove him to school as his cousin. We're not seeing. Which isn't a friend. You can never be friends with a cousin. No, doesn't. That's they're obligated by blood. So after school, Matt is driving him home. And Matt is also in high school, so they carpool. Matt says there's a party tonight. Andrew says, I don't really like parties. Matt says, no, you're coming and like pro tip. Don't bring the camera because everyone's going to think you're a big dork. And he says, like, I'm going to bring I bring my camera. I would never not bring my camera. Then the movie would stop and also standing your truth. If you're being bullied anyway, just fucking you do you, you know? Yeah. I mean, bullies make me mad. You think they're just going to all of a sudden stop bullying you because you don't have a camera? Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, fucking right. Yeah, real fucking right. So Matt drops Andrew off on his street. And we see there's like a group of four guy adult men that Andrew's filming. And he says, like, these are this my this douchebags on my street. They look like early 20s. One of them looks about 40 and they're just like drinking 40s out of paper bags on the street corner. And they're also like, Andrew, come over here. Like, would you give you wedgie? They don't say that, but that's the vibe. They think they are also bullying him. But these are again, like a seemingly adult adult men. Do you guys think you'll ever drink a 40 ever again? No, I hope not. I really hope not. I don't think we will. I think our time has come in past. Maybe we will find ourselves having a sip of a 40 at some point. But beyond that, playing Edward 40 hands again. That's for sure. I know. I know. Imagine the last time we had a 40, we didn't know it was our last time. We didn't know. There's no way to know. There's just no way to know. We see he goes back in his house. He's in his bedroom. He's like facing the camera towards him, changing the light on it or something and reviewing some of the footage when his dad comes in and just punches him in the side of the head. Jesus knocks him off of his chair and screams at him. Open the door when I tell you to. Like, this is my house. You don't get to lock me out of a room. And then he walks out. Yikes. Pretty terrible stuff. Then Matt picks him up. We're going to the party. Party is a full rave. It's all seemingly high school students, but it looks like a professionally organized rave where I'm just like, who is paying for this party? This shit is not free. There's like strobe lights, full DJ set. Like everyone's got glow sticks and like it looks great. Looks like a great party, but not like any party I went to in high school. The closest you're getting is like lights off. Right. That's and maybe one of those like a warehouse. Like it's not at home. Oh, we have one of those lights you could buy like Spencer's gifts. That was like, you know, multicolored. Like you like sit on a table. Someone really put a lot of effort into this party. And if it was a high school student, like good on them, I guess, because this took a lot of work and planning high production, high production value. So he's walking around the party when we see a shot of him with his camera and we're like scratching our heads. Hold on a second. I thought we can only see from his camera and he turns his camera and we see another girl with camera and they're filming each other in a kind of peep show type moment. I guess that I'm referring to a British television show called Peep Show. That's all. I'm referring to an actual peep show. So this is Casey and this is feels like fully just a device to get another camera angle here. Like Casey serves really no purpose in this plot other than just girl with camera essentially giving us another camera. But Matt walks over and sees Casey and they have a little like kind of flirty kind of tense moment, like maybe they used to date. They like clearly have a rapport between them that it's like kind of like he's trying to flirt with her and she's a little bit like rolling her eyes at him. And so I don't know. We don't know. They might have a history. We're not sure. They have a lot in common. They're the only two people there with the camera. Not Andrew. It's Matt. Matt is the puzzle. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Matt, it's not. It's OK when Casey has a camera, but it's like not OK when Andrew has a camera. Like, excuse me. Get your story straight. Which one is it? Are we bullying Casey or not? So Andrew continues around the party filming things. There's girls dancing. He's filming one of the girls dancing when her boyfriend gets up in his face is like, you filming my girlfriend? Get the fuck out of here. Shuffs him, throws a drink in his face, but also on the camera. Cut to Andrew outside, like cleaning off the camera, crying. Is it really sad? And you hear him like sniffling as he's he's cleaning off the camera when from the background appears Michael B. Jordan. To save the day. And he's saying, Andrew, right? I'm with your cousin Matt. We found something that's really cool. We want you to come and film it. And he introduces himself as Steve. Andrew says, I know who you are. Obviously, you're incredibly popular. You're a class president. Posters of you all over. And I will say right away, Steve gives very good vibes, which I was happy about, because, you know, sometimes the the stereotype can be like popular guy. Jock is an asshole, not Steve. Steve is like immediately really nice to Andrew and is like, are you OK, man? Because he kind of sees that he's sniffling and he's just nice. He's just nice and good, and we love to see it. I love that. More of that. More of Steve in 2026, you know? Yeah. So Steve gets Andrew to bring the camera over to this clearing. They're at this like abandoned warehouse for the for the rave, for the high school rave. But behind the abandoned warehouse, there's just like an empty field or maybe like a digging site, a construction site. And in the middle is this big hole that seems to go down, down, down. Can't see the bottom of it. And they're like, come here, come here. We found we found this crazy hole. You got to film this. Teenagers and holes. Yeah, not a good thing. Don't go near that hole. Yeah. And Steve and Matt are kneeling next to the hole and they're like, come here, come here. You have to put your it makes this crazy sound. You have to put your ear towards it. Bring the camera. You got to capture the sound. And as Andrew gets closer from the hole, we just hear this like, like crazy, deep, very loud sound that almost like blows them back with the force of it. And Steve is like, this is so cool. Like, I got to get in there. And just like jumps into the hole. What? As if it's like this. I mean, this is a confident young man. Yes, that's true. But he just like almost like monkey bars, like grabs the side and like swings into it. Just completely out of sight. Did we see where the hole ends? No, it looks like it curves. So you see that it you can kind of see a ending point to just from a visual standpoint. But it keeps going after the curve. And so we hear him going like, stop it. Like out of my early style. Yeah. And Matt goes next. Andrew's like, what the fuck are you guys doing? This is like, this is so crazy. And and he's right. You shouldn't just get into mystery, mysterious holes. Just jump into a hole. You can't see the bottom of. No, I would advise against it. But Matt is curious and he's a little drunk. I guess notably Andrew doesn't drink, which is maybe this is a this is a anti-drinking PSA. Like when you're drunk, you lose your judgment. You might be far more likely to jump into a hole. You're likely to jump into a hole that you shouldn't be in. So Andrew is the most trepidatious about this. He's not we're not feeling too good about going to the hole. But Matt more slowly and carefully climbs into the hole. They're both down there and they're calling out to him. You've got to come down here, Andrew. We need you to come fill in this. We need the light from the camera. So reluctantly, Andrew climbs into the hole. Oh, Andrew. And from this point, the camera is kind of glitching a bit. There seems to be some sort of like maybe electric charge within this hole that's messing with the camera. Well, the hole did make its own noise. Yeah. So what's up with that? It's going on with this hole. We get to the bottom. They say like we must be 40 or 50 feet down. I don't want to be 40 or 50 feet. Yeah. How are we going to get out of the hole? We're getting out of the hole. Great question. Yeah. Yeah. And we see at the bottom glimpses of this. It's like kind of like a glowing tree trunk sized like crystal formation. And again, the camera is really like glitching. So we're not getting a good look at it. But I guess it's like maybe a meteor that has crashed. Like some sort of alien thing. We don't know what it is, but it's clearly having an effect on the camera. And all of them seem very drawn to it. They're touching it. They're like, well, do you feel that? Do you? This is crazy, dude. Well, you're so fucking crazy. So fucking crazy. I feel like we've done so many things recently. I mean, welcome to Derry. And then kind of the Santa Claus one. Like there's been so many recently about like an asteroid coming to Earth. And the thing that's bothering me every single time is that this is the plot of the Paw Patrol mighty movie that I have seen a thousand times. And every time we talk about it, I'm like, this is fucking Paw Patrol. Paw Patrol did it first. Paw Patrol did it first. That's my cultural reference point makes me sad that I know so much about Paw Patrol, but they're using it in all different types of genres. You guys, this is a trope. Yeah, this asteroid. It was also in the blob. Yes, that's right. It's been over and over and over again. But Paw Patrol did it first, I still think. I do think that an asteroid's come and also three one Atlas. Are we as an asteroid coming for us? If so, do we go near it or not? Because in Paw Patrol, when they go near it, they get special powers. Well, this is about to be Paw Patrol then, because. Is that what happens? This is about to happen here. Yes, we see that their noses start bleeding. They're clearly like something is affecting them with this glowing asteroid thing. Cameras freaking out, glitching, glitching, glitching. It's chaotic and then cut to black. And then we hear some voices fumbling with the camera. They're saying, OK, we need to document. Guys, guys, we need to document this. We need to come on, come on, get serious and then get serious. Camera turns on. We're now outside in one of their backyards. Stay time. Out of the hole. They got out of the hole. That's why I said great question, because we never see how they got out of that hole. We're just cutting ahead in time. And fair enough, they are standing in front of the camera and they're like, OK, a show they have a baseball we see Matt and Steve. He's like, OK, throw the baseball. Steve is throwing it towards Matt and hits him in the face with it. We don't really know like what's going on. What are they showing us right here? And then they're like laughing and laughing. Matt's mad. He's like, oh, fuck, ow. And then they're like, OK, let's try again. Now Steve tries. Steve also gets it in the face and they're like, oh, my God, what the fuck? Camera quality is like way better, by the way. I think because they had to get a new camera after whatever happened in the hole. And so at first I was like, this is just like the crisp. We're just filming a regular movie here now. But but then eventually I think they do say like, oh, nice new camera. So both Matt and Steve have been like hit with the baseball. We don't know what they're trying to show us. And then Andrew's like, OK, I'll do it. I'll do it. Let me do it. Andrew stands. Steve's about to throw the baseball at him. He's throwing it right at his face. Like get thrown as hard as you can. He's throwing it right at his face. And Andrew looks like focused, like he's looking at something. And then he's able to freeze the baseball before it hits his face. It stops in midair. And they're all like, oh, we did it. Wait, this is actually is this in the trailer? Because actually this scene is weirdly reminding me. I think it is in the trailer. Yeah. OK, this is nothing over here. All right. Now now I'm actually having memories of this of, I guess, seeing the trailer for this movie. This movie is just teen boys getting superpowers. And that and that would be probably bad if you think about it. OK, OK. I'm fascinated to find out what happens. Yeah, yeah, it'd be bad. So we see that, yes, something in that cave has given them the power of telekinesis, at least. And they're just showing off all the things that they can do there. Or like discovering, I guess, also the things that they can do. And they now go into a room that has a bunch of Legos. And we see Matt trying to like float the Legos and he can only do like two. And Andrew's like, try to like press them together. He's like, I can't I can't do it. I can't do it. Andrew's like, let me do it. Let me do it. Andrew is way better. He builds this sentenciato, by the way, he builds the space needle out of Legos in like 10 seconds. He's just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Andrew, he's doing the best at this. Wow. Oh, so this is what happens when you give the guy who's been. Shit on his whole life, ultimate power. Oh, God, is this a metaphor for our current government? God, I feel like I feel like we can find it pretty much anywhere. Anywhere, anywhere. So but something I do like is that it's I feel like it's they're having kind of like sweet bonding time, even though it is all like very much teenage boys being like, what are they so fucking crazy? They're also like, so, hey, man, like, how like what's going on with you these days? They're getting to know each other. Yeah, they're getting to know each other. And they find out through a conversation that Andrew is a virgin and they're like, no way, dude, like we got to fix that. For some reason, they go back to the hole. They're like, we want to find out what some we got to find out what happened in that hole. We got to go back. Andrew says, I'm all spelunked out, which I completely agree with. Yeah, I feel like it's the whole going to take it away again. Like, I don't know. Let's just leave it be. Let's leave it be. But they go back and they need Andrew to come because he's got to film it. He's got the camera. There's no movie if he doesn't come. Yeah, but they they arrive back. It's daytime now and see that it has caved in and the hole is gone. No more hole and a construction guy or whatever comes by and yells at them, like, you kids can't be here. We think the like ground is a little unstable here. You got to go. So they're like, all right, I guess. That's all the investigating we can do. So time to just enjoy our newfound powers. You see Andrew at home at nighttime. He's floating the camera above him. So we're setting up that now the camera can kind of do whatever. Perfect. And that's that really helps. So that that really helps. Yeah. But as he's as he's practicing this, we're hearing his dad in the other room on the phone with like a doctor or pharmacist sounding really angry and upset, just saying like, she's in so much pain, like I need this medication. I really hate to hear it. So there's obviously a lot of stress and financial stress. So Andrew is just using this telekinesis as an escape. And he's kind of not really paying attention. He's just like, look at me floating my camera. Nothing else matters. Hmm. The next day, he goes out with his mom on a like very sweet little mother son outing just to like a little restaurant on the beach and just adding it in there for this other nice moment of like, again, you can see that he really cares about his mom. Then later, he rejoins Andrew and Steve and they're testing out their powers. So there's some more. They like read about telekinesis and they're like, yeah, it sounds like sounds like that. And they're noticing that they're all getting better the more they do it. So they're kind of saying, feels like a muscle that we're strengthening. We're getting stronger as we do it. So let's go see what we can do. They go into a toy store and they're having some fun. They're doing some pranks. A lady has a shopping cart. They make the shopping cart roll away from her. chasing it, it's rolling, it's turning corners, it's like fully evading her at every turn in an impossible way. Also, if this happened, if you were that lady, like how would that change your view of reality for the rest of your life? I'd also just stop after a while. If my shopping cart was really doing that, I would just be like, okay. I'd be like, well, that's not for me. Whatever that is, it's not for me. I guess I have to leave the store now. And also, life is not what I thought it was. Yeah, yeah. Yes, everything's different. Everything's different now. Everything's different now. Because of the shopping cart. Well, you'd also just think you're being pranked, like you're on camera. Yeah, I think that would probably be my first thought is like, where's Ashton Kutcher? Yeah, someone's punking me. Where is Ashton? Ashton, come on out. I know you're out. I know you're in here somewhere. There's a little girl in the like teddy bear section. They make a teddy bear float around her. She runs off screaming. There's just, I would say, doing psychological damage to people. But it's all in good fun. It's just little pranks. They can't understand that there. Teenage boys. And teenage boys. It's not gonna escalate, right? Oh no. And they're gonna use it all for good. Whatever, they're just gonna, it's just for fun. They go to a diner afterwards and Andrew's telling Matt to put his hand out and he's got a fork in his hand. Looks like he's gonna stab him. He's like, come on, Kwan, let me just do it. He's like, I don't wanna do it. He keeps pulling his hand away. He's like, I don't know. I don't wanna do it. I don't wanna do it. Just put your hand down. He's like, okay, okay, but you gotta give me a countdown. He puts his hand down. Andrew immediately stabs the fork into his hand but nothing happens. He hands all the little tines of the fork bend. He is impenetrable. There's no wound on his hand. And they're again all like, wow, dude, so crazy. Oh no, they're gonna push this too hard. Something's gonna, something is gonna get him. And they go out into the parking lot after. They're like, okay, let's try something a little bigger. Let's try something a little bigger. Let's see how strong we're getting. And Steve focuses on this car in the parking lot. And you see him like, for like strength, flexing his muscles. He's doing his telekinesis so hard. And the car slides out of the parking space and he just parks it in a different parking space in the parking lot. And then they kind of, and his nose starts bleeding during this. So it's like as they like test their limits, it has a physical effect on their bodies. But then they hide and they watch the woman whose car this is come out and like walk to where she thinks she parked her car and like scratch her head and look around. Again, this is something that like would make me spiral for a long time if this happened to me. And this would be me being like, I don't, this is what's happening with my dreams where I actually like question my own memory and don't know what's real and what's not. So this would send me into like psychosis. Yeah, some derealization, hard core. Well, in this sense, you would be right. Yeah, true. So they're laughing, they're laughing, they're having such a good time. And they're driving now and we see a car behind them riding their ass, honking, this guy's being an asshole behind them. And Andrew turns back and they're filming and they're like, look at this asshole, he's being such an asshole, fuck this guy. And Andrew raises his hand and swipes it and this car crashes off the side of the road into a lake. Jesus, Andrew. Really quite an escalation here. And Andrew's kind of like, oh my God, that was an accident, a total accident. But everyone's like, what the fuck? And they stop the car, they get out, they go, they pull the guy out of the car. Yeah. He is alive, luckily, but very much could have died in that. And so Matt and Steve are like pretty pissed at Andrew in this moment. They're like, that's like not okay, this is fucked up, we've got to make some rules, we can't do this. And Andrew's a little bit like, you don't need rules. You guys are kind of overreacting. I think he's fine, he's gonna be fine. Like I didn't mean to, it was an accident, it's gonna be fine. But we're seeing Matt specifically looking suspicious of Andrew and feeling like not so sure. Oh, I'm not loving the metaphor for bullying and what it turns people into. Cycles of abuse. So they kind of like resolve it a bit by Andrew being like, I promise, I'm not gonna do anything like that again. That was, I promise, I just promise. I totally promise and we don't need rules, but I promise, you can take my word. But maybe one good rule is don't kill anyone. That would be a good rule. We don't even need that because I just promise that it's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no need to put any rules on this situation. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So they're like, all right, fine, as long as nothing like that ever happens again, we're good. So next day, Steve calls them out to another like empty construction site. They get there and Steve's car is there, but we don't see Steve, they're calling out to him, looking around, doesn't seem like he's anywhere. When we hear Steve say, I'm up here, we look up, he's flying, he's flying in the air. Oh my gosh, Steve. Wow. There is a fun little scene where they all try flying, Matt can't really do it. And he keeps like... Seems like Matt's really gotten the short end of the stick here with these ones. Matt's gotten the short end of the stick, although he was the one that didn't, the fork didn't penetrate his skin. Sure, sure, but I mean, there's flying and then there's a fork can't hurt you. Yeah, yeah. So they're practicing their flying, Steve is like, you gotta just like jump and he's trying to give them instructions. Andrew of course picks it up immediately. Andrew is like, yeah, I can do this too. Yeah, I'm doing the best at this. And Matt eventually figures it out as well. Cut to them, zoom in through the clouds. This stuff is really fun. Really fun. It looks very silly, but like in a fun way. It's like they're Superman now. They're just like zooming, zooming through the clouds. They're all like wearing... As you would. They're wearing like down jackets because they're like, it's so cold up here. I was gonna say, be so cold. I like that they thought of that detail. And they've got a football, they're like playing catch in the clouds. Again, God, life is so fucking fun, you guys. Awesome, awesome, awesome. And then they kind of pause it like, did you hear that? What's that sound? And an airplane zooms past them. Oh my God. I knocked them all out. Camera is spinning and spiraling. It's like knocked us down. We're trying to get our bearings and they're able to like write themselves before they hit the ground. So they land and they're laughing. They're like, oh my God. Then they have a slumber party and I don't know whose house they're at, but they're like all laying in bed. And I think Andrew is like, you guys, I think this was the best day of my life. And Matt's like, I can't stop thinking about it. It was like so fun. Like this is so fun. Like I will say there is just like a very sweet aspect of male friendship in this. That like all he really needed was, he just needs some friends. Friends. Yeah, friends are so important. And it's good to be vulnerable and honest with each other. It builds connections. And there are moments of that. There's like a moment with him and Steve. I can't remember when it is, I didn't write it down, but where Steve is asking about his childhood kind of, I can't remember how he brings it up, but he's like, your dad was a firefighter, right? Like that must have been so cool. And he's like, actually my dad's like, not a really good guy. And Steve's like, oh man, I'm so sorry. Like that sucks. Like I'm here for you. Like they just have like nice moments where they are being vulnerable and honest with each other, which I appreciated. Yeah. Next day at school, we see them on the library together. They're like, okay, so we can fly. So like where do you guys want to go? Like should we go to like Hawaii? Where do you want to fly to? Okay, well, it feels like we should still take into account how long things take. And Andrew says, I want to go to Tibet, which is a bit of a curveball to bet. They're like, to bet why? Seems really peaceful there. It's like beautiful mountains, be so quiet, the monks. And they're like, yeah, okay, whatever. Sure, I guess we can go to Tibet. They're like, but hear me out, hear me out. Or we could go to Cancun. Exactly, Steve's like, there's no ladies in Tibet. Spring break. We're the ladies. We get a scene here that I think is very stupid that I'm just gonna say to shit on it. And I'm sorry, but it's Matt goes to Casey's house and she opens the door again in a way that makes you as a viewer be like, okay, now how's this being filmed? And as she answers the door, she says, do you mind if I film you? It's like she's just answering the door with a camera on a tripod, she's not holding it, with just like facing the door. It's a little silly, it's a little silly. Okay, this one I call bullshit. Casey wouldn't, nobody would do this. He's really weird. He's like, oh, I guess so. This is really weird. They have awkward little conversation where he's trying to flirt with her and he's fumbling, but she's clearly a little charmed by him. And then we cut to Andrew and Steve sitting on the top of the skyscraper having lunch. The camera is again, floating around them. So we're getting very cinematic coverage of this. And Steve asks Andrew if he wants to do the talent show with him. And Andrew says, I don't have any talents and you're popular and I'm lame. And Steve's like, no man, what are you talking about? You don't have talents, look at us right now. You're amazing. At the very least you could fake juggling. Yeah. I do a magic trick. Fake juggling. Well Emily, that's exactly what they do. And, but again, not to harp on this, but it's like clear that Steve just like really likes and cares about Andrew and is like, I don't think you're a dork and I want to do the talent show with you. Like do the talent show with me. Oh my God. Very sweet. So we do the talent show and yes, it starts with a fun little act of Andrew coming out like the dork and everyone's like, Andrew this guy, you hear the audience kind of groaning and he tries to do a card trick and then he drops all the cards everywhere and kind of like fake trips and falls to look like an idiot. And everyone's laughing, but kind of scratching their hands like, oh, this is not very good. What's going on? And then Andrew looks at all the cards on the ground and holds his hands up and they all fly back into his hand in a perfect deck and everyone loses their minds. Whoa, we're clapping. Oh my God. That was so cool. And then he's juggling, he's tightrope walking. He's- Oh yeah, baby, what can't he do? He's doing all sorts of magic tricks and everyone is loving it. Well, we have a virgin for long. And we cut to a party where the girls are- Emily is calling every beat of this movie, every beat of this movie to get in there. Ladies like more than a magician. Oh my God. Yeah, ladies love magic. We love it. The ladies love magic. A male magician? That's a green flag. The women are lining up as Andrew walks in his party. Everyone's like, oh my God, there he is. Andrew Copperfield, hey. He goes to play some beer pong, absolutely killing it, destroying just- Wow. This is a very fun way to explain. It's like a high school boy would just be like, I could crush a beer pong. And like think how great it would be if you could just leave it at that. Yeah, credits roll. Credits roll, great to leave it at that. We see a girl with hot pink hair come up to him. She's putting her arm around him. He's drinking now also, which we've learned earlier that he doesn't drink. So again, PSA. Yeah, we don't love that. PSA for not drinking. They're making out, this pink haired girl is played by Anna Wood, who is Dane DeHaan's real life wife. Real life wife. And they were high school sweethearts. And so they had already been together for a long time by the time this movie came out. Oh, that's cute. Thank you. They go upstairs in this party to go hook up. We see Matt and Steve are like, oh my God, dude, how many is gonna lose this Virginia? Fuck yeah, dude, this is awesome. They have the camera now. And Steve waits a little bit and then goes up with the camera. This I don't approve of. And he's like, we're gonna see him lose it. I see him losing his virginity. And so he's like pointing the camera in the room where he knows where they're in. But before he can even open the door, pink haired girl rushes out. There's a vomit on her hair. And she's like, oh, get out of the way. Your friend is fucking like disgusting. Oh no. And Andrew is sitting on the edge of the bed with his zipper undone and vomit from his mouth. And he couldn't hold the liquor and seems like she was going down and many threw up on her head, which is quite a bummer. Yeah, yeah, that sucks. So he's embarrassed and he's yelling at Steve to turn the camera off. And Steve does cut to black. That's sad. Next day we see Andrew alone in his room and he's looking sad. He sees a pretty big spider crawling on the floor and puts his hand up to telekinetically control it. He makes it like float in the air. He's like making it do summer salts. And then he spreads his fingers wide and all the spiders legs come off and I don't like this. Kills the spider. Yeah, it's classic psychopath behavior starting with the animals. I do hate that. I do hate the framing that it's a girl's rejection that causes them to become. It's so funny. I actually didn't notice that in watch. Sometimes I only pick things up in the retelling of it because yeah, right then it was, this made it more. It's a one to one. Yeah. This is in cell behavior. Women are the reason that men are unhappy. If you reject a man, they'll become a psychopath. He's gonna murder you. And everyone you know. Yeah. Oh, God. Oh boy. Oh boy. So then we cut to his dad finding the camera and screaming at Andrew and saying like, your mom is dying. We can't afford medicine and you're spending money. This is like a nice camera. It's like a $500 camera. You're using my money from that. And he said, no, it's not your money, dad. I didn't use your money. He's like, you're using my money all the time. I'm paying for your school. I'm paying for you to eat. And he says, I go to a public school you moron, it's free. Uh-oh. And his dad is like, what did you just say to me? And his dad throws him up against the wall. Like you can't fucking talk to me like that. When Andrew, he uses those powers now and he throws his dad up against the wall and clearly is way stronger. And then like throws his dad on the ground. It looks like it really hurts him. His dad is like screaming in pain. And he basically is like, don't you ever fucking touch me again? And he storms out. Okay, so he didn't kill his dad in this moment. He didn't kill his dad in this moment. But we cut away and we see while this has happened because it looks like this, he like used a lot of force in this. We cut to Matt is with Casey because we need her to be filming. Right, of course, of course. And his nose starts bleeding. Matt does. Matt does. Oh, okay. Matt's powers his empathy, you know? Oh, wow. And it seems like Steve feels it as well. So we're kind of seeing that they're all a little bit connected through their powers and cut to in the clouds. It's nighttime now, it's a thunderstorm. This is where Andrew is retreating to, to be alone. He's just floating in the dark moody clouds. And Steve flies up and is like, Andrew, what's going on? Like I felt something, like are you okay? Andrew says like, just leave me, I came up here to be alone, like leave me alone. And Steve is like, what are you talking about? Like we're friends. And he's like, you're never my friend. You were never my friend until this happened. This is the only reason you care about me. Don't turn against him, you didn't do this. Steve is like, that's not true. Like I just didn't know you and like we're friends now and I just didn't know what's going on. And Andrew snaps and I was like, I sadly am alone. And we just see like a lightning flash and cut to black. Oh God. Come back up on Steve's funeral, you hate to see it. So, oh boy, oh boy. That fast, that fast. Yeah. Yikes. And Andrew's filming it. Everything needs to be filmed now. He was the world's first influencer. Yeah. We see him filming Matt, Matt is giving him a pretty angry, suspicious look. It's like, why aren't you answering my calls? What happened? Like how did this happen? There was no lightning reported in the storm or whatever, which like, I guess that's... Okay, well, are you the first fucking one of me? I'm sorry about that. Yeah. And Andrew again is like, leave me alone, man. I don't want to talk. So he's pushing everyone away. He's isolating himself. Oh no. And he goes to Steve's grave later when everyone is gone and he's really upset and he's like, I miss you, Steve. I'm so sorry. I don't know what's happening. Like this thing feels like it's becoming a part of me. Like I don't feel like I have control sometimes. And these are things you need to be saying to Matt, my friend or just like anybody else. And not that there's a clear solution, but just we learned to be vulnerable with our friends and you can still do that with Matt. Even though he's not actually your friend, he never will because he's your cousin. Oh, tough. At school the next day, he's being bullied again by the main bully guy and he just calls after him like, hey Joe or whatever his name is and it makes a little motion flick of his hand and Joe's teeth all fly out of his mouth. Oh, oh boy. That's a creative one. Pretty gnarly. And we see that, yeah. There's been a turn in Andrew for sure. He's now like sitting by himself in this junkyard. He set up the camera, he's talking on camera by himself and he's like, so I was reading about, there's a thing called apex predators. And. Oh boy, yeah. For a teenage boy to learn about apex predators. We really don't want that to be happening. And he says a similar thing that we heard in thirst where he says, you know, a lion doesn't feel guilty when it kills a gazelle. Which is like at a glance a compelling point, but lines don't have consciousness, morality. Yeah, in this context, it's also he kills it to eat it, not to not punish it. It's not a punishment to the gazelle for being me. So it's, but it is a good like teenage boy, not good. It's all you need. It's an understandable teenage boy rationality. It's just like a kind of top line at a glance. Yeah, so everything I do is fine because I'm an apex predator. Exactly. We see him using his telekinesis to crush one of the cars in the junkyard. He's getting so strong and powerful. Matt comes over to his house that night to yell at him. He's like, this is getting out of hand. You need, we need to stop this. It's getting dangerous. And Andrew's kind of like, you can't stop me. Like I'm stronger than you. Like try to stop me. And Matt does try to like punch him. He's like pushing his buttons and Matt snaps and tries to punch him. Andrew just freezes his hand and like freezes Matt in mid punch. And you see Matt like trying to do it. And then he gives up and he flies out the window. Like Twilight style is pretty fun. You see Andrew going to the pharmacy trying to get medication for his mom. And the pharmacist tells him like it's $800. Andrew says, I don't have that. Can I give you like a down payment? Can it be on credit or something? I don't know. Like can we just need the medication? And he's like, sorry, I can't give it to you unless you have the money. It's the American healthcare system is really fucked up. That's another topic. And so I'm thinking he's going to use his powers to just like grab the medication and run. But he has an interesting plan here where he goes to the douchebags on the street, tells them, give me all your money. And they are of course like, Andrew, like, no, we're not going to be giving you all our money. You're who we bully. That's not how this works. Yeah. Andrew of course does little motions with his hands, flies them all like crazy far through the air, landing on concrete, seemingly potentially killing all of them or at least like very gravely injuring them. They're basically all motionless in piles of their own blood, puddles of their own blood. And when he just zoomed their wallets out of their pockets. Yeah. Well, he does that now. But yeah, this was a weird plan as I, as he is a teenage boy. Yeah. So he gets their wallets, it's not enough money. So now he goes to a gas station. No, these adult losers didn't have 800 cash sitting in their wallets. 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I know, if you just thought about it for one second, there are a lot of better ways. Wait until after hours. And just go to the pharmacy. And just open the door. Yeah, or just go to the pharmacy, cut out a fucking step. That was my thought this whole time, is just like, why are we not just focusing on the pharmacy? Just breaking into the pharmacy in the middle of the night. Wait until nighttime. Don't hurt anyone and just take what you need. You can unlock any door. Teenagers are not thinking straight, basically ever. Yeah. So he runs out of the gas station. The clerk comes to grabs a shotgun, chases him. Thanks. Yep. Yep. See, yep. Yep. And he hears him coming. And so he turns and as the clerk fires the shotgun, he like flings it out of his hand and it shoots somewhere that causes like a gas explosion. And the whole gas station basically explodes. Well, boy, boy. He is, we cut to like security footage within a hospital and we see his dad storming through the halls of this hospital. Goes into a hospital room. Andrew's there very heavily bandaged up. Perfectly framed in the camera. And we hear a like police officer on the side say, we need to keep recording for the investigation. OK. Very convenient. Thank you for saying that. Otherwise, Andrew looks unconscious. His dad is like crying at his bedside. We think we're going to have a moment of his dad caring about him. But no, his dad says, your mom died last night while you were out pulling all this bullshit. And I wasn't there because I was looking for you. He's like, start screaming. And he's like, your mom's dead because of you. And he like looks like he's about to like hit his unconscious son. When on camera. On camera in front of a police officer, in front of a police officer. Andrew grabs his hand. He's awake, conscious and flings him backwards and like explodes the hospital room. And the hospital is like in, I don't know, like a 40 story building or something. It's like they're really high up. And so the window just bursts, explodes out. We're seeing this through the security footage. And Matt, again, with Casey, his nose starts pouring blood. She's like, oh, my God, what's going on? And he this time is like something's something's wrong with Andrew, like Andrew, we need to find Andrew. And they see on the news, the hospital incident, they're like, there's been an explosion at this hospital. And he's like, we got to get there. Casey has no idea what's going on, but she has to be there to film it. So this is why she's why she's in this movie. Because she's just chasing him with the camera being like, Matt, what's how happening explained to the camera? What's happening? Which like, I imagine just like this being again, who cares? But imagine this being real life. I'd be like, put the fucking kid like, this is so weird of you. This is so weird. Like you're running after me, but you have to be filming. Like you must stop. Yeah, you have to stop. Casey, Casey, you're weird. This is an actual emergency. You need to stop. You need to stop this. But she does not. And we make it to the hospital. There's a big crowd gathered around. There's like police helicopters, fire trucks and a big crowd watching. There's like a smoke billowing from the building. And so we can't quite see the room when out flies. Andrew holding his dad by the foot, like the ankle, like dangling him. Casey screaming, oh my God, oh my God. Andrew drops his dad from like 40 stories up and Matt flies and catches him. And Casey's like, oh my God, Matt. Is it dad conscious? Do you see his unconscious? I can't really tell. I think he's I couldn't tell. He might be awake, but he's out of it. He's been in he's been in an explosion. Right. That's a lot that's happened. Yeah. So Matt catches him, sets him safely down on the ground. And then we proceed to have like an Avengers style confrontation between these two zooming through the air. They go to the top of the space needle. They're floating in front of like all the people eating at the restaurant in the space needle. They're yelling at each other and Andrew saying, why did you catch him? Like, I wanted him to die. He should die for everything he's done. And Matt is just trying to calm him down. Andrew, this isn't you. I know this isn't you. Like we need to calm down. I kind of is. I feel like. I think it is him. Yeah. He's begging him, pleading with him. Andrew like throws a bus at Matt and like crashes him into a building. Matt flies out and then tackles Andrew through a building. It kind of reminded me of the turn down for what music video directed by Daniels like flying through, crashing through walls. That's funny. And. Eventually they land on street level and they're like immediately surrounded by 20 cop cars and there's helicopters overhead. Matt saying, please, Andrew, please, Andrew, don't hurt anymore. People, we can still come back from this like you and me, you and me. We can go to, we can go to bed. We can go anywhere you want to go. Remember when you wanted to go to Tibet? And Andrew is not coming back to his senses. He says, I'm an apex predator and he uses his tokenetic force to like do. No, you're a kid who went in a hole. Get over yourself, Andrew. You had a fucking hole. Excuse me. You'd be nowhere without this fucking hole, dude. And it does one of those like kind of like wind force explosions blows all the cops back and the helicopter crashes from the sky and Matt is like watching this. He's so sad. He's like, please, Andrew, please, Andrew. He realizes Andrew can't be reasoned with. It feels like he has no other choice but to, he sees a statue of like a man holding a spear. And he's like, Andrew, please, one last chance. I have like, I'm giving you a really don't want to do this. Please. For no particular reason. Just one more time. Just let me know if there's anything I could do. And Andrew is basically just like screaming about being an apex predator. And he's just like, you're a strong ass. And so Matt uses his telekinetic powers to fling this spear impaling Andrew. He kills him. Wow. Matt's sobbing. And obviously he's pretty implicated here in all these things that have just happened. So he sees the cops kind of getting up and he just zooms off into the into the sky. Cut to black. Come back up. We're flying through the clouds. We're flying. We're flying. We're flying. And we're into that. Of course. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it, baby. And who has the camera now? Well, Matt has the camera and he's setting it up and he's talking to the camera as if it is Andrew. As if it's almost like this is what he's doing with Andrew's ashes, but it's the camera. He's like setting it up and he's like, you wanted to go to Tibet. So here we are. Now you're into that. You as the camera are now in Tibet and he says, like, I'm really sorry. And I never told you, but I love you. And we should be telling people. We should be telling people. And he says, I'm going to find out what happened to us and I'm going to do good. I'm going to help people. Now I love you. I'm sorry. And he leaves the camera there like facing the mountains of Tibet. And he walks off screen. And that's the end of the movie. Wow. Wow. Wow. What a beautiful story. It's kind of dumb, but it's fun. And seeing them all like zoom in through the airplane football is really silly. I had a pretty good time. I got to say. I love the concept of ordinary people getting super power. Like it's always no matter what when it happens on screen. It's always fun. It's always fun, but then it's really tough to keep the story interesting afterwards. It's really hard to know like where to go with that. It's almost like the same concept of someone winning the lottery. It's like, wow, okay. Now you have a shit ton of money. Okay. But like what now? Right. And it's kind of like it can only end badly in terms of a storytelling perspective. Like it's not really interesting to see a movie of someone wins the lottery and then it's just like, and my life became awesome. Right. And everything worked out for me. Right. Right. Yeah. Which is actually for that example, I think pretty true to life that when people win the lottery, I think for the most part things don't really get a lot better for them. No. They've done studies on this and I feel like it's common knowledge that people's lives like deteriorate after they win the lottery. But boy, are we all going to keep trying. We don't want to believe that. It's true. But not, I hope it will be true for me. It will be true for me. Keep the dream alive. I'm an apex predator. Yeah. But fun movie, I'd say. Seemed fun. Again, I have zero recollection of this film ever existing. I got nothing, but I had a great time. Okay. So what have we learned from this movie? Don't bully. Human beings are different than animals. If you're going to get superpowers, just take a beat and think about the best way to utilize them. Yeah. Just stick to the basics. Just kind of like make a plan, take a breath. You do need rules probably. You do need rules. You probably, yeah. With great power comes great responsibility like that kind of stuff. You know? Yeah. All very applicable to our personal situations, I'd say. All right, listeners. We love you so much. So freaky much. So freaky much. Thank you for all those wedding invites. My God. Congratulations on your many weddings this year. Yeah. Yeah. It's very exciting. It was a great year for weddings of listeners. For love. I love love. I really do. Yeah, me too. It's really great. It's really great. I love you guys. I love you guys. And I guess I'll scream apex predator style. Yeah. From all of us here at Two Scary, dear watch. Goodbye. We did it. We made it. 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