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And we're going to close out 2025 with what we loved, what we'll leave, and what we learned, and what we simply refused to accept as we head into the undiscovered future. There's so much to not accept. I made it weird. But first let's get into it. One week. After 60 minutes aired an interview with his ally turn nemesis Marjorie Taylor Greene, President Trump attacked the show and its corporate parent writing my real problem is that the new ownership of 60 minutes paramount would allow a show like this to air. They are no better than the old ownership who just paid me millions of dollars for fake reporting about your favorite president. Me. Since they bought it and 60 minutes has actually gotten worse added Trump and bring back Andy Rooney. That's a good idea. It's not. It's possible. This is the thanks paramount guess for paying Trump millions of dollars to settle a ridiculous lawsuit installing Barry Weiss's editor-in-chief of CBS News and greenlighting rush hour four at Trump's personal request. And to be clear, that last one is fine. I think Biden or Kamala would have also demanded a new rush hour movie. It's a natural thing for the president to do given all of that's going on. Trump's tantrum is poor timing for paramount which hopes he'll put his thumb on the scale in their quest to acquire Warner Brothers. And time is of the essence Trump's thumbs could fall clean off at any moment. As you know last Friday Netflix announced plans to buy Warner Brothers Discovery for $83 billion to put that number in perspective. It's $83 billion. If finalized, Netflix would acquire the studio and streaming business while the cable unit would be spun off into a separate company. And for some reason Netflix CEO Ted Sarandos demanded a fur coat made of the WB's finest animaniacs. Netflix has already been hit with a class action lawsuit seeking to block the deal. And a group of anonymous top filmmakers wrote a letter to Congress warning that the merger would be a disaster for Hollywood. And I don't know how many more disasters Hollywood can take. We saw them recover from the strengths, the fires, the arc light closing, and all the movie stars getting their eyes done at once. I was showing up fucking different, looking younger and surprised. All at once. What the fuck? Was there a deal? Where do the lower bluffs go? There's some horrible pile of lower bluffs sitting in Beverly Hills somewhere. The anonymous filmmakers said in that open letter that they left the note unsigned, not out of cowardice, but out of fear of retaliation, which signals that perhaps not a lot of prominent writers were part of the letter. It's impossible to know who the filmmakers are. Though one of them did add PS, I wouldn't fuck Paul Dana with somebody else's feet. And who would say that? Good be anybody. Speaking of not accepting defeat, paramount. Yes, you are welcome. Fucking yes. Speaking of defeat, paramount launch to hostile take over bid to buy Warner Brothers Discovery going straight to shareholders with an all cash $30 per share offer, pretty exciting stuff. With Warner Brothers being sucked up into a giant monopoly in which a half dozen people decide what a third of us watch every night after dinner, or will it be sucked up into a different giant monopoly? I'm on the edge of my seat in a car that is going into the ocean. And with the future of Hollywood at stake, these titans of industry are engaged in one of the biggest and most consequential asking contest in human history. But which globe-bestriding magnate will attend to the task with greater passion? Which billionaire will get their mouths deeper? Use their lips more assertively upon the presidential crack? Who shall play the most beautiful version of whole to the chief? David Ellison, the head of paramount and son of billionaire Larry Ellison, made a recent visit to Washington and promised Trump officials that if he bought Warner Brothers, he would overhaul CNN's programming. Ellison allegedly even promised Trump that one of the ends in CNN can stand for any end where he wants. On Wednesday, Trump confirmed that he likes where Ellison's head is at. I just think that the people that have run CNN, I don't think they should be entrusted with running CNN any longer. So I think any deal should be guaranteed and certain that CNN is part of it or sold separately. This is Anderson Cooper. And he is waiting for someone to adopt him before he is put down and he's one of so many anchors in need of a home. Meanwhile, the financial backers of paramounts bid include three Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds and the private equity firm led by none other than Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner. It's unnerving how quietly Jared moves through the world these days. He disappears from view. You start to forget about him and then all of a sudden comes crawling out of the ceiling at Warner Brothers pitching a movie about a super tall pale guy. Everybody likes. With its new investors, Paramount is promising to create all kinds of exciting new films as part of Emerge with HBO like Harry Potter and then now explicitly Jewish bank obliens. Harry Potter and the journalist you had it coming. Barbie too, Ken was right the whole time. And a brand new cable channel, Riyadh Comedy Central. Bloomberg reported over the weekend that Cerandos went to the White House last month to meet with Trump and the two struck up quite a rapport. They bonded over their shared interest in Ted Cerandos complimenting Trump for several hours in a row. When Trump was asked about the deal on Sunday, he told reporters, well, that's got to go through a process and we'll see what happens. Trump then tried to imitate the Netflix sound. But it's not just Hollywood that's terrified about its economic future and response to growing anger about the cost of like Bing Bong, cost of living. Trump continues to claim it's all a big scam from the Democrats. The new word, you know, those have a hoax. The new word is affordability. He's never sounded more like a cartoon rich guy. They're making up new words, affordability, bogo, coupon. No one knows what they mean. Trump, of course, he'd close leader of the prepared remarks where lentlessly driving his message about how much he is focused on the economy. I didn't say shit all you did. Remember I said that to the senators they came in, the Democrats, we had a meeting and they say, why is it we only take people from shit hole countries, right? Why can't we have some people from Norway, Sweden, just a few? Let's have a few. Yeah, man, we ask it's a pass. They have social democracy in universal health care. Norway and Sweden don't want their children to die because of gun violence. They want their children to die the Scandinavian way from a vitamin D deficiency or at the hands of an ice witch. And then Trump played the hits because baby, that's what the people came to see. Transgender for every member in your family, if they're not feeling well that night, let's just change this sex. And when he is actually forced to discuss the economy, Trump is telling the American people to trust him and not their own experience. I wonder what grade you would give. A plus. A plus. Yeah, a plus plus plus plus plus plus. That ought to cheer up your kids when they're unwrapping their Christmas present. One loose cigarette. Also, this week, Trump pledged a $12 billion eight package to help American farmers hurt by Trump's trade wars. A little bit of a sorry you lost your housewarming gift. But if I've learned anything from trash television, farmer doesn't want a government check. Farmer wants a wife. Besides, $12 billion is a drop in the bucket when American farms are predicted to lose $34 to $44 billion annually because of Trump's tariffs and trade policies. Said the president of the American Soybean Association on CNN, does anybody need a trillion beans? No, no, here's his actual response. In terms of the long term, does this fix things? Well, this is a bandaid on an open wound. Bandaid on an open wound. Great idea, said Senate Republicans proposing bandades for open wounds as a replacement for expiring Obamacare subsidies. Yes, Republicans are resigned to allowing the subsidies to expire at the end of the month. Here's Kansas Senator Roger Marshall on Tuesday. Great. I can share with you that I've had multiple bipartisan conversations and we're not going to be able to get a solution done in the next several weeks where two parties are too far apart on this critical, critical issue. The parties are too far apart. What is this? Me not leaving the house on New Year's Eve? Then Senate Majority Leader John Thune announced a vote on a Republican alternative to the current Democratic plan to renew the subsidies for three years, setting up dueling votes on Thursday. And sadly, America is the is the Ned Bady in this scenario. Rather than extend the subsidies, the Republican alternative sets up savings accounts into which the government would pay about a thousand dollars per year for eligible Americans. Of course, a thousand dollars would not help in an actual medical emergency, like a car accident or cancer diagnosis or eating ice cream while Jewish. Meanwhile, Mike Johnson told the press that House Republicans will bring a vote next week on their package of health care proposals that also does not extend Obamacare subsidies. We have some low-picking fruit. We have some things that every Republican agrees to. Democrats won't remember. They don't actually want to fix this problem. You know, health care ideas every Republican can agree to, like, would in spoons to bite down on. Labbotomies from Mouthy Kennedys. Prayer. A free app for tracking nocturnal erections. Chroma's Omal Testing for that tall woman you saw at the bank. And Q-tips, because you know these guys are just getting in there, you know, these freaks. On Wednesday, a group of more vulnerable House Republicans led by Pennsylvania Congressman Brian Fitzpatrick rebelled against the leadership attempting to force a vote on a bill to extend the expiring subsidies. And wouldn't you know it? Marjorie Taylor Greene, among the Republicans who signed the discharge petition. What happened there? To clearance the angels show her what the world would look like if she were never born and it was fucking oslym. On Thursday, the Democratic bill to extend Obamacare failed virtually, guaranteeing that Americans who relied on these subsidies will see their premiums double or more likely not see it since their eyeballs fell out. And so we end the year as we began it still somehow working through our pandemic tuna. Just me, okay? The truth is this was always going to be a rough year. But for my part, I am ending 2025 more hopeful than when it began. And I'm not even in therapy right now. Probably means I never even needed it to begin with. Trump came in like a wrecking ball in January, purging the federal government, bullying colleges and law firms, turning the government into a piggy bank for his friends and family destroying USAID, knocking down the E-swing, unleashing a radicalized ice into our communities, releasing the last living Melania Trump into the wild. But underneath all the bluster, the goons behind this blist understood that time was not on their side. That's because every presidency is overtaken by events. It's because the lack of popular support for any of this shit, the total lack of a mandate means rising opposition anywhere outside of Trump's control. And it's because you can put a hat that says 2028 on a lame duck, but that bitch still can't swim. And that's what's happened. Leaks and resignations and temporary restraining orders and lawsuits and this coverage of Trump's escapades to rename bodies of water, murder people in boats, build fancy ballrooms all while failing to address the rising cost of living in economic uncertainty that made his reelection possible. A new AP poll released just today finds Trump's economic approval has dipped to 31 percent the lowest rating he's received on the economy across either his first or second term. But just wait till rush hour four comes out. Gonna see a big rush hour four bump. And it is a virtuous circle. Trump's rising on popularity weakens him while inspiring defiance all around him, which only weakens him further. We've seen that in Congress on the Epstein files and on a bipartisan discharge position to extend Obamacare subsidies. And in the collapse of several of his political prosecutions and in Indiana, we're under withering pressure from Trump and his allies Republicans in that state just voted down a plan to gerrymander their congressional maps. And so, yes, in the absence of genuine oversight from Republicans in Congress and given appliance Supreme Court, Trump can abuse the pardon power, help his sons make billions, decimate the government, bully corporations, turn the antitrust process into a beauty contest, including a swimsuit competition between David Ellison and Ted Sarandos. He is doing a lot of damage. He's threatening to do a lot more. But democracy is stronger than it looks. Woodby authoritarian are weaker than they look. And jelly donuts always look better than they taste. Something for all of us to remember is Hanukkah rolls around. Democracy contemplates error and weakness. It is a distributed and redundant system without a single point of failure. So, Trump can hack at it and hack at it and hack at it, install a flunky prosecutor here, a vaccine denier there, grab some stocking intel here, threaten the late night hosts there. And it will weaken the system and corrupt its components. But a lot of those circuits still find a way to close, which is another way of saying democracy is still causing Trump to short circuit every single day. That may not always be true, but right now it is. We can't predict what next year will bring other than a star-studded premiere at Rush Hour 4. But we know what we have to do. We've got to organize, protest, win the midterms and try to be the right amount of nice to Marjorie Taylor Green because she is our next president. All right, coming up next. Kennedy, ready my trench coat and boom box? Cameron Crowe is here. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It Or Leave It coming up. Love Or Leave It brought you by Helix. How are you preparing for the cold or season? 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So there's such a warm threading aiding off of you. I felt it the second I was backstage because I'll tell you something when I was reading the book and I felt the same way when I watched almost famous, which is I get to the end of this book and you are extremely reticent to explain why any of these fucking people talk to you. You won't do it. And I was there's one point where you kind of hint at with David Boey. Why David Boey would it would have bothered talking to you. But it really is very passive that you would just listen, which is I think something a good interview does not my practice, but different skills, different styles. But I just want to understand like all these people did an accidentally talk to you. What is it? Part of it was listening because I was terrified the first time I did an interview with somebody who was kind of like of great status. I was terrified because he was Chris Christofferson and he heard my question, which is about being lonely on the road. And he just stopped and I thought, oh no, I have to fill the silence or he hates the question when you get thrown out. But he started to talk. And I realized like by the end of the conversation that like I made him really happy by not talking. So that made it a great conversation for him. So it kind of like rolled into the way I like to do interviews, which is to listen and be interested, you know. Like you, like you're fascinated with what somebody's going to say. And that makes them want to talk. Yeah, I don't think that's it. So I'm glad you brought up Chris Christofferson because Chris Christofferson was on my mind because I had either never known or forgotten that he was a road scholar. Yeah. That Chris Christofferson was a road because I think of as this sort of this gruff kind of plain spoken, terse guy. Salty. Salty. And I certainly would not have put him in my mind as some like intellectual smart guy, but I just wouldn't have sorted him into road scholar. Yeah. And you know, you were how old were you when you talked to Chris Christofferson? 15 15. Yeah. And he started referencing books and Kurt Vonnegut and the last picture show film that was, you know, in great regard then. And he just included me in such a way that it made me feel like a peer. Yeah. So he saw something in you. I had intelligence in you. I think he promised his fiancee Rita Coolidge that he was going to do an interview with the kid with an orange bag. And so he was like going to make good on that. But you're push. See, this is what you do throughout the whole fucking book, which is like, of shucks, people keep telling me the craziest shit they've ever said to any reporter ever over and over and over and over and over like at least a dozen times in the book. These like people that never talk to anybody, they talk to you. And I feel like, I can't tell. I can't tell if you if you don't why you're something special about you, you're a special talented person. You had wild success in every single thing you've ever done. That's not an accident. So yeah, yeah. What why? I don't think I don't think I come across as somebody who's there to judge. I just kind of want to be on receive and let people sit next to me with whatever article or whatever I'm doing. You know, and this is what it felt like. This is what it felt like to be with Led Zeppelin. This is what it felt like to spend 18 months with David Bowie. Like I genuinely had an agenda no further than including people like me into the fan experience. Because I love the fan experience. And sometimes sometimes, you know, I got criticized for it among, you know, staff members at Rolling Stone and stuff like that. It's like, ah, you just write about the people you like. Well, why not? You know, right, right. Why not? There is this tension where I can't I think it was the Led Zeppelin. The head of Rolling Stone, a young winner. It's published. It's a huge hit. And then he kind of undercuts you about it. He's like, yeah. Right. I thought I was going to get called into to see like the editor and publisher of Rolling Stone and thanked for getting Led Zeppelin who hated Rolling Stone to be on the cover and like participate in this huge article. But really, he was calling me in to say, it's a little bit of this is in almost famous. He was calling me in to say like, did you write about what you wanted to write about or did you write about what they wanted you to write about? I was saying there like, there's no thank you coming. He was really, he was really saying like, you know, are you going to grow up? Are you going to write something that's like truly going to last? Well, you got to dig a little deeper for that. And he was having a terrible day because his mentor had died that day. So he had no reason really to sit down and talk to me except to try and say, you know, there's a path you can take. You can be a fan, fan, fan, or you can be a fan who writes about something that's coming from a deeper place, which I've tried to do ever since. So you're working on a Joni Mitchell movie right now. Yeah. I was actually, which people are excited about. I'm excited about it. And I was what I was thinking about is like, what makes for a great biopic is a great biopic one from the fan perspective or is a great biopic one from the winner perspective? I think you can do both. I think you can do both. And the way you do it is to never forget that there are going to be people who love Joni Mitchell, for example, and want to get that feeling that you get from loving Joni or loving her work, you know. It's like, don't leave the fans behind for a take that's going to not make sense to you as a long time fan, but also bringing people that don't know who she is. And don't whitewash the story. And she's like the queen of not whitewashing. So this is a good subject to expand the biopic genre with. I'm excited about that. Yeah. No, I was I was thinking about Joni Mitchell and you talking about how you wanted to feel like a Joni Mitchell song or Joni Mitchell album. And I was thinking about both sides now as like, as close to a biopic in a song, you know, just as a structure, like this sort of idea of like the ways you can look back on your life. And I got very excited about what you're going to do with that. Cool. Well, she wrote that song when she was 22. Wild. And her husband at the time heard it and said, that's false. That how do you know what your life is going to be like if you're 22? You can't talk about love. You can't talk about life. And what happened, I think, was at 22, she wrote about a life in such a way and such a robust way that now at 80, she steps in to singing that song and it has all the resonance that you could have dreamed of as a 22 year old. She's an amazing story and you don't really have to stay in the biopic genre to tell it. What biopics of you liked? I was thinking about that and it's the ones that you don't think of as biopics often. So true. You don't think of good fellows as a biopic. No. But I will now. But you know, but it's based on a sensibly based on a true story. To me, it's the movies that the story matters even if the person didn't matter because you're in, you're in, you're in on what the story like black clansman was like that to me. Love to black clansman. Yeah. And then great. Yeah. I just think the ones that are reverent too, a little too reverent of their subject. Yeah. You they sometimes you have they make an impression you will walk out of the theater and you will be moving and touching but they have this strange way of disappearing. They have they matter a great deal when Oscars are being doled out and then you never fucking talk about them again. Like, you know, like they're except like Malcolm X is in his exception. But there are others that like just come and go like I don't know like people people hidden hidden play on Lincoln. People hidden play on, you know, Ali or you know, there are movies that have this moment but then they're gone. It's true. You know, I think a lot of biopics just ignore the fact that like there's humor in life. People did tell jokes in the 60s and 70s. There was funny stuff that happened. And a friend of mine also said like, I like to see a movie where the subject in in in that genre like where the person has fun. Like they're not just like aching with a furrowed brow like where where is this song going to come from? Oh my god. It's coming to me. It's like just have fucking fun. Like the Beatles. I am so glad you said that. And I would want to tell you something. I was I wanted this was on my mind and I wasn't sure I was going to tell you this, which is I'm going to make a I'm a play up a question. Okay. Quest. My least favorite thing in any biopic about any artist is it's like fucking Ringo's walking down the street and you see the yellow car and a submarine. He goes, I've got it. You know what I mean you know, like it's just like in a sense it's like a day in our lives. And then they fucking write it down and makes you want to die every time. Yeah. Yeah. Don't do that. You're not going to do that. No, no, no, we're not going to do it. Before we can have the the record executive scene where it's like that song is eight minutes. It'll never be a hit. We can never put it out at eight minutes. Plus it's operatic. No, Queen. You can't put that song out. Cut to people around the world. Yeah. Loving that song. Yes. Now I'm so in. I knew Cameron Crowe got it. All right. It's so interesting sitting across from you because I was really like what why is the fucking the Alman Brothers talking to you so much. You know, some some some Pipsqueed kid from from San Diego like who gives a shit about you but you get there's something very warm about you. It's interesting. Thanks. What do you think that's a buddy? You know, you're you're like almost like afraid to talk about it in the book. You're like you don't want to write about yourself. Well, I didn't want to be you know, the person that's so important to themselves that they're the hero of every scene and everything. I just wanted to be about the people that I got to meet who were good to me, who opened doors and you know said come come and stand here and watch the Alman Brothers do whipping post like stand on stage six feet away from Greg. Come on, come on stand there. You're going to get off like the roadies would help me out. Yeah. Because I loved the music and particularly like coming up at that time, there weren't a lot of outlets to write about music at any length really and when there was it was kind of like somebody that was interrogating the musician like why are you so important? Why do I have to write about you? And I'm like, Deep Purple, I want to know everything about you. You know, and it would be so happy to talk to a real fan. But I definitely asked hard questions and and when it's a real conversation, you'll get your hard questions answered in a great way. Do you think when you gave, I didn't realize that the story and almost famous about the tapes was based on what really happened, which is they you get called up to the hotel room of Greg Alman and he demands the tapes back. And I'm reading it's like it's like a like a horror movie where where the like don't run up the stairs, run out the front door and it's like, why the shit out of me? I mean, we had done an amazing interview three hours earlier and then the phone rings and it's like get up here right now, bring the tapes and bring ID. But why did you do it? Is it good to go up there? You're a kid, like you're a journalist, like he has no right to those tapes, those belong to you, you had ever you did everything, you're nothing unethical about what you were doing. He had no business demanding the tapes. Why, why bring the tapes at all? Why give them? What was going through your head? Well, I felt at the time it's weird. I did the audio version of the book and got really emotional. You came out of nowhere. You did. And all of a sudden I realized this wound was kind of in me. I thought he was going to hit me beaten up. He had a bodyguard. A bodyguard that ended up coming up and signing a contract that the tapes would now belong to Greg. It was really kind of gothic in a way. So you felt threatened. Yeah, I did get threatened. And you know, any woke up a couple days later and was like, why do I have these tapes in my room? Yeah, but he knew he's about guilty. He knew. He knew. He was guilty. He did something terrible. He threatened a catch, literal child and stole the tapes, made you sign something fake and took the tapes from you, which was basically a crime. And also something that was like, I think, journalistically very interesting. It's true. And also his brother and another member of the band had died in the previous couple of years. He had done no interviews. The person from Rolney Stone before me did drugs with the band. Didn't write about him doing the drugs. Wrote about them doing drugs and made fun of their accents and all that stuff. So I was the enemy in my own way. But what's strange is, we talk about biopics and stuff. There's another area which is like rock autobiographies that are never truthful. Because they're kind of, it's like really serious things get turned into like two or both anecdotes. And he did it himself. In his autobiography, he claimed that he played a little prank and gave me the tapes back immediately. It's like, no, it didn't go that way. But it's like, it's live in life at a young age and it's trying to find your voice in the world, which is kind of what the point of the book was. I wanted to write about that time when you imprint so heavily, music, people, experiences. And that becomes you finding where you're going to sit in the world and how you're going to go forward. What's your voice going to be? And that's kind of why I didn't say me, me, me in the book. I kind of wanted to take the ride, let you take the ride with me. And it kind of ends at a point with a scene about my dad that I'm really proud of, which is when my dad realizes I'm not going to become a lawyer like his grandfather. And the youngest, you want to be the youngest lawyer? Yeah, I mean, this was this was the path that was set out for me. But he, we talked about the old and brothers, my dad had stayed up all night on New Year's Eve to tape an old and brothers concert for me. And I came home from going to a party. And that was his kind of gift to me to say, I understand that you're going to take the path you're going to take. And he also had tried to run answering services, you know, which were then being replaced by automatic answering machines. So what he always said is like, you know, nothing will ever beat the sound of the human voice. Which he really believed. And that's the end of the book. Because in this in this love story to music, I wanted to end by saying the humanity, the human voice, which my dad kind of used as a motto, is always true. And when you hear that voice in a song, even like in a way that the song speaks to you in such a personal way, that's the stuff you never forget. That tattoos your life. So there's a moment in the book where you were with Don Henley. And I didn't, it was, you know, you hear these songs and they are to me just sort of from growing up the kind of background rock, classic rock songs. And then you read about the effort and time and precision and focus and dedication to writing, just writing over and over and over and over and over again. And maybe this is a strange place to take it. But what I thought when I saw that is, I bet you hate the internet. The way the way it kind of cheapens and kind of we're surrounded by so much writing with so much less care. And I wonder if you feel that. I don't hate the internet, but I really know what you're talking about, which is like fact checkers don't exist anymore. People can just like spew stuff out. And the thoughtful stuff always lands best. But song wise, I love that you brought up Don Henley. The other person, the other person that you have to love for knowing how conversation, well, Tom Petty, Tom Petty would spend so much time on these songs so that they would sound simple and easy like a conversation with a friend. And that's the stuff that I love most of all. It's like familiar and soulful, but not just thrown out, really worked on enough to make it sound simple. But it's not. So you move, in part because of Tom Petty into filmmaking. And now we're in this moment where you have to be nostalgic just for going to the theater. There's this big question now. Netflix potentially going to buy time Warner Ted Sarando said something recently about the movie theater. And anyways, calling it an outdated concept. Do you worry about that at the end of the movie theaters? And what it means for people to not have that experience? I do. I do. A good movie can break through on any format, I think. But yeah, I mean, go in and sit in a theater and have in the experience of a big movie star being somebody you can relate to and it can tell a story that kind of moves you in some way. That's the Tom Cruise version of movie making. Like he's never going to go on a smaller screen because he likes telling those big stories. So I just think there's a place for all of it, but I never want to lose the big story. And PTA's movie is definitely a big story. Yeah. And you get so exhilarated that you just want to go back to the theater. And so I just want them to stick around. Now before we go, I did want to grill you about something, which is, no, I hope it's what I it's the 2011 Matt Damon dramedy we bought a zoo. Good. Let's talk. Let's talk about it, John. Because I'm ready to face this one. You recently said in an interview, yeah, the title doesn't really just describe what the movie's about. Seems like you lied to that man's face. Because it certainly is about this. This movie is in a pantheon of movies that were that are considered to be better than their titles. I'm honored to be. Movies that include the Shawshank Redemption. 2014's The Edge of Tomorrow. And then there are movies that were just bad and had bad titles. Like 2010's Legends of the Guardians colon the Owls of Gahul. Too much title. Too much title. All right. So wait, so we bought a zoo. What happened with that title? It was the name of Benjamin Meas book. Yeah. So nobody ever really stopped to say, should we really call this movie we bought a zoo? Nobody. There's no there was. I would know. Well, we needed you there, brother. I just think I love the movie. I love the movie. I think I just really did really well too. It did well. Elfanning is great in it and she's just kind of starting out. Matt's incredible Scarlett Johansson. I just think we bought a zoo. Said don't see this movie right now. Why is that? Why? It's interesting though actually because it's not on its face. Obviously, you could totally, I understand how nobody would occur to them that it would gain this sort of like silliness to it. But it is now. What is it? Well, the first the first the first advert the first posters that they came up with just were pictures of animals, which really was going to be a problem. I think Matt Damon saw one of those posters and said, I really didn't have to be in this movie did I? But a stork is on the poster. I think it was it was felt to be heartwarming and wasn't. The movie is. The movie is. I really it's just funny. Making a movie is a zillion decisions and one key one can go wrong and tip the whole ship over. So you just have to kind of be loose and think about these things and try and make the right decision at the right moment. But sometimes one little one little piece is off and and we're talking about it now. 14 years later. So it's time for a second we call zoo fast zoo furious and I'm going to give you new title options. You will rate them on a scale from one to five zoos at the end. You must pick the official new title for we bought a zoo by declaring that I'm buying that zoo. All right first title wait where the fuck did this zoo come from? I like it. I'm not going to buy that zoo but I'm going to appreciate that. Next up we have stuck on zoo. That's an eight at least. Yeah. I know what zoo did last summer. This has to happen in the summer. Now this is a true story. Keep in mind. Yeah based on a true story. Next up we have wildlife. This we thought was a real now we here's our thinking you couldn't call it wildlife because you'd already made a movie called The Wildlife. Yes. So you were written by me. I was so you couldn't do it. I was cornered. I can't buy that zoo. You can't but but wildlife would have been a good name for the movie. It really would have been damn what a shame but we can do better. I'm not sure. I feel it's coming. All right let's see. Next up. Oh he's just not that into zoo. That's good. Ten things I hate about zoo. In captivity that was like a real pitch. In captivity. Next up we got keeper like zoo keeper. Just keeper like the zoo's a keeper. He's the keeper. The one word keeper. Keeper. Always good. In France it's called new vote depart. Which I what is what is that that's a new direction. Oh that's very French to give you a kind of generic kind of serious title. That's right. And then the last one was that thing you zoo. So which zoo are you going to buy you think? What's keeper? I'm going to buy keeper. Okay well keeper. Cameron Crowe thank you so much for talking. The book is the uncool. I really do really is a great read. Thanks. Thanks you guys. And when we come back taking a charm. Here's to zoo. Hey don't go anywhere. There's more of love it or leave it coming up. Love it or leave it. Brought to you by one skin. What does your skin care routine look like? I've got a good routine these days. 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I was listening to you talk about the cliches and the things that in films and the drive you crazy and that are funny. My wife has a very very good one that I love so deeply. And I hope you haven't won your films and I've forgotten. When somebody from like a label is listening and then they're like on a payphone they're like man you gotta hear them. That's good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. We watched LaBamba the other night and I enjoy that film. Have you seen that film? Okay. I thought for sure I was telling our kids. I was like I think there's one of those moments that mommy talks about and there wasn't. Anyway how are you? I like LaBamba. You should make yours like LaBamba. Yeah. Yeah. Take you do not keep up with pop culture famously. No but what I do keep up with is music and documentaries. Yeah. Yeah. Those are my two huge passions and then I fall very short. Is there any pop culture moment that jumped out at you in 2025 that did kind of somehow cross into your into your kind of area of vision which is one way to say did you see anything? I mean I saw things. Good question. Well like is there anything that you normally like are you aware of what's happening? Do you know who Jen Shaw is? No. Right. Who is Jen Shaw? Oh. She's a real housewife that got that appraisal to Jen. I know. I would never in a million years know. But you know that she was in jail with Elizabeth Holmes from Theranos. I did not know that but I'm familiar with Elizabeth Holmes and I've seen that documentary. That's my strength. I had this I had this like picture but the Shaw lady is not. I had this picture of kind of like you opening up a newspaper but before you did like Stephanie cuts out the pop culture so you don't see it you know like that Jefferson Bible where it doesn't say God anywhere. Well do you know I used to have a talk show called Under a Rock with Tignot. Yes and they bring out people that were supremely famous. They would be strangers to you. But what they would do my producers would show me like pages of headshots and they'd be like tell us who you know on here and then I'd be like I don't know then they'd be like wait you don't know this person I'd be like no and then they'd get different angles of that person they'd be like oh my gosh just to know who this person is and then they'd go out to their agents and be like does your client want to come on a show and let Tig interview them to try and figure out who they are. It's always you go watch it it's awesome and it might be coming back but anyway that's exciting. I spoke too soon I spoke too soon. It's funny because I was thinking about which is like you have Hansen which is your podcast. You're in Star Trek Academy. The crowd goes mild huh? The people that know it. Thank you. You're in Star Trek Academy. Star Trek Starfleet Academy. Starfleet Academy. It airs on January 15th. Starring Holly Hunter. Paul Giamatti you know those people. Getting them on the uniforms. Yeah and I know who they are. Paul Giamatti's in singles. Paul Giamatti's in one scene in singles where he just sort of goes to town on some girl's face. There's one line. What? But he crushes it. He crushes it. He does one word. That's right. One word. Yeah. Yeah. Let's not over do it. Yeah. Text is what he word. But what he brings. But he's yeah he sits in it. He sits in it. He really does. Word becomes a whole universe. You also have the documentary. Come see me in the good in the good light. Yes. Yes. If you haven't seen it I highly recommend that you see it. It's so beautiful. It's so beautiful. And you tease the project. You're working on a movie with Zack Snyder that will contain it. I'm quoting your hot lesbian action. Well, um, I yes. Can I just answer yes? No. Yeah. I did a movie with Zack and I was, um, I replaced somebody that was a sexual, he did some sexual, he got in trouble. Got in trouble. Yeah. And he got a race from the movie. And then Zack called me to come shoot an entire action film on a green screen. Do you don't know this part? No. Do you not follow pop culture? I'll be honest. What I'm realizing now is sometimes you really got to click on the links camera. There's something neat. The links that's of interest. Yeah. I, uh, I did a whole action film on a green screen. Zombie film. I was flying the helicopter. Get away helicopter. And, uh, I kept joking with Zack because it was a huge international cast and they, all the people were really beautiful from all around the world. And I was like, I'll probably just be like a lesbian wandering in the background, you know, which I was fine with. I'm, I'm, I'm not above that. And so, and so I kept saying to Zack, I was like, oh my gosh, in my mind, because I'm the only one filming with you, I am the star of this movie. And I was like, but I bet when it comes out, I'll just be, you know, this scrappy little lesbian wandering around. And then I accidentally went viral for being sexy in that movie. I hear me out. So even out of all of these hot people from other countries and what have you, people were talking about me, okay? Yeah. And then I got on a zoo. I said, I got a pitch for you, sir. And he was like, go ahead and I go, if people thought I was hot in that movie, why don't we just make a whole action film for the lesbians? I was like straight men are going to see that gay women are going to want, everybody's going to want to see hot lesbians. And I said, the poster will say hot lesbian action. And he was like, holy shit, let's do it. Wow, that's so cool. Hmm. Is this show supposed to have like big laughs and then long silences? I just want to make sure the vibes right. Have you heard what, is it the the Japanese art of ma? Does anyone know what we're talking about? No, you don't know what I'm saying. Anybody, anybody know, any of me is hockey fans out there? Hmm. Where it's, what's that period of quiet called? This is it. We're in it. Do you know what I really appreciated when you said that? Does anyone know what that is? I saw a few people in the audience go, yes, yes, I do, John. It's funny you should ask, I do. And you and Cameron also share something in common, which is you also started out in music. Yes. Would you like Cameron interview and then demand the tapes back? Sure. Okay. John, you love our dynamic, don't you? I love it so much. I cherish it. I cherish it. We have a great time. I know it. I cherish it from my front row seats. I just actually know. You're part of it though. I am. You are part of it. Hey, you know what I was thinking about Cameron Crowt? And I'm sorry to keep saying your name. Tell me, John. Tell me. Is it Cameron Marie Crow? Is that, is that right? You know when you wrote that autobiographical piece about your exploits with girls and your kind of pathetic kind of grasping at sexuality in a way that was humiliating to you and then you wrote it all up and you sent it to Rolling Stone and then they printed it. Yeah. That was the longest sentence, by the way. Okay. Did you really think they weren't going to print it? Did you really think it wasn't good when you sent it or did on some level you know you'd written something great? On no level did I think I'd really thought you were just fulfilling your deadline and they weren't going to run it? No, they were like, we're going to let you write about something that's not music. You're going to stretch a little bit. You're going to write about and I'm already in. I'm like, yeah, sounds great. How you learned about sex? You got it. Got it, man. And how old are you? 17. God damn it. And then it's like, then it's like you have to write it after you hang up like being super cool about taking the assignment. And it was terrible. It was terrible and I just felt nothing but embarrassment and humiliation about like the terrible time that I was still trying to learn about sex. And had you had sex? Or maybe that's too personal. I don't think so. I had. I had. But it was a twisted journey to that yes for sure. And I sent it in and I just, I went through all the excuses in my head. I'm too sick to write it. It got lost in the mail. I just wrote something that was kind of like, you know, like just throwing it out onto the page. And I sent it in and the guy was laughing when he when I picked up the phone. Now this is writing. This is writing. Now more embarrassing, the better. Don't you see? And I don't know. I kind of learned that lesson. It's like embarrassing is cathartic and ultimately funny. Yeah. Don't you find that to be true? Oh my God. Do it every week. Yeah. I keep the lights on. Well, I was that's for the reason I wanted to bring that up is only because I was thinking about what it would feel like. Like that must have felt embarrassing at the time. I can't I don't know if it still does, but I imagine it certainly let like, do you are you able to look back on that person with kind of generosity as whether it's you or not you as not someone you share in the embarrassment of? I enjoy the embarrassment of it from a distance for sure. What what what still makes me queasy is the caricature that they they came up with that went along with the article, which was me nude kind of trotting with a little shadow across this section. And it was like, Oh, look at the funny embarrassed boy. You still feel the story. Yeah, that's embarrassing the character, but we have the picture. Yeah. Okay, go let's. Let's have a look at. No, the embarrassing stuff. Well, it was also true of fast times like when we first started watching, you know, when they screened fast times for audiences, it was the most embarrassing stuff was what people loved and brought the house down like judge Ryan Holt getting caught, you know, in the bathroom and pleasuring himself embarrassingly caught doing it was like the greatest thing these audiences that have ever seen. And it was like, Oh, wow, it's kind of humiliation is funny. Take, do you find that though like that telling that like using the things that embarrass you on stage, take does it like, especially from like earlier in your life, does it like remove it with does it get rid of its power? Well, yeah, I mean, I used the world as my toilet growing up. I I went my pants like I just nothing could stop me like just out in the world or going to bed at night, like I was just went up a storm and and I never would have imagined that I would be completely fine talking about any of that kind of stuff or yeah, all of that I think not that that was my biggest laugh I've ever gotten tonight. Now I feel shame. That was sort of a that was a Japanese moment of quiet, to me as a key moment, to me as a key moment, to me as a key moment. But yeah, it's I find it, I don't know, I think after I've been doing stand-up almost 30 years and I think that you reach a certain point where it's like kind of anything goes until you like get married and have a family and then not everything goes because then there's other people involved in it. But for the most part, yeah, I would say so. Yeah, I just think about like there's the getting older and like one of the nice things about getting older is being able to see your younger with more generosity, which is like I think one of the nice things about your body slowly decaying right in front of you. Well, let's start happening at 25, your body you start to die. Yeah. Should we go to commercial or let's just go to the next segment. We'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It Or Leave It coming up. Love Or Leave It is brought to you by Haya. Typical children's vitamins are basically candy and disguise filled with two teaspoons of sugar unhealthy chemicals and other gummy additives growing kids should need. That's why Haya created a super power-truable vitamin. Haya fills in the most common gaps in modern children's diets to provide the full body nourishment our kids need with a yummy taste they love formulated with the help of pediatricians and nutritional experts. 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Some news before our final segment. Potsave America is going down under. We are heading to Australia and Auckland, New Zealand, for the Potsave America, hopefully just visiting tour of 2020-Sex. We will be in Auckland on February 11th. And then three cities in Australia after that, Melbourne on February 13th, Brisbane on February 14th and Sydney on February 16th. With everything going on in America these days, we will feel the pull of the Commonwealth countries and decide whether not to stay for good. You have to join us to find out. Take us around sale right now for more information. Go to cookin.com slash events. You've gone to Australia and done stand up. Oh yeah. Any tips? Also the newest book from Cooking Media Reads is called Hated by All the Right People, Tucker Carlson and the Enravelling of the Conservative Mind. It is out on January 27th by one of our favorite political journalist, New York Times Magazinewriter Jason Zangrily. It's an incredible book. 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You're not changing it. Let's spin it. Oh, I like that. It is landed on camera and camera. What is one thing you'll change and one thing you refuse to change in 2026? One thing I refuse to change is my desire to keep everything. I'm a pack rat. Yeah. Yeah. That kind of clings to you. You have to deal with that. Did you keep a lot of notes, contemporaneous notes? Yes. This book feels reported. It is because I kept everything. And you're going to keep doing that. I guess I can't stop doing it. Remember to get a stop. I actually am fine with it. I think it's correct because here's the thing that's going to be such a great estate sale. No, think about it. Keep it all. Don't get rid of it. Keep it all in one place because then it gets catalogued and then we get to really see it all after because you can't take it with you. You're not going to be buried in some giant sarcophagus with all of your objects. One would hope. I didn't know you were dying. I'm like, I'm really enjoyed talking with you, meeting you. I have enjoyed doing this show and this is hard to take. Nicely of this evening at the estate sale. Just remember these moments with people pouring through trash. What's something, Cameron, that you will change? I've been writing for a couple of years solid and it's time to direct again. So let's time to do that. I've been missing it. It's time to do it. It'll be the journey, Mitchell movie. I have a directing question for you. Did you go to school for directing? I did not. Okay. I need to know. Nobody seems to have this answer. Why when people are talking about shots, they do this. That really bugs me, Tig. How do they do that? Yes, it's like we're going to come in through here and you're like with your fingers. You have like tongs. You're going to bring tongs. Every set. Yeah, that's right. Then we're going to come in. Do you ever do this? Do you ever like go like this? Of course he does. Do you do that? Only for funny pictures that people, it's never useful on set to be like, what's this movie going to look like? What's going to look like my fingers? I don't. I never quite understood that one. But some people really love it. Yeah. Some people. Okay. Let's spit it again. I had a feeling. Yeah. Tig, it's your time. One thing you refuse to change, one thing you're going to change. I'm not going to stop working out. Oh, great. I started working out. Oh, really? And I'm very like, listen, I'm not like pump an iron or anything, but it feels so good. I'm sorry. I'm 54. This is a new thing where doctors are like, you got to start doing this and bone density and whatever. And I was like, I'm not going to. And now I am. I love it. I love it. That's great. Two or three times a week. No difference in the look. No difference in the look of my body. But I feel good. Do you think that's maybe like the kind of unspoken curse of the perennial naturally skinny person, which is like, I never worked out. And then you then all of a sudden, a doctor's like, oh, it looks fine. But inside, there's nothing left. It's just my health record has already proven that inside it was a trouble. So, yeah, for sure, they've been red flags. I'm stable together. But what are you doing? Work out? What are you doing? You're doing some squats over there? Yeah, I've squatted a few times. I picked up some heavy things. Oh, yeah, you got to pick up everything. You got to turn potential energy into into kinetic energy. That's how you burn calories. And I'm not going to stop. Don't stop. Yeah, nobody stop. Nobody stop. TIG. Oh, that's a funny name for something. What's something you are going to change? I've already started changing. I'm saying no more often than I ever have. That's a good one. And the other side of it, I want people to tell me no. I love direct conversation where people are like, I don't have time for that. Or I'm not going to be able to call you. Or I'll never do that. Lose my number, kid. I'm like, all right. I want the same. And a quick note, right? Like I want a quick note. Ruminating on it and then giving you the note. Not a good note. If it's a real ruminating, I'm all in. Okay. I just want I just want a real interaction. Yeah, I can live through a no. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I love it. I love you too. You know what? I actually also started and I'll stick this in. I heard you talking about emails. They drive me nuts. And so I told my reps, my assistant, don't email me until Thursday mornings every week unless it is really important. And then I'll deal with I feel like Thursday and Friday. That's enough time for turnaround for things that aren't pressing. So I'm just like relatively radio silent until Thursday and Friday. So that's a new thing. So do you dread the Thursday or are you like energized? Let's be honest, I'm only two weeks in. Okay. But I just started to feel like, oh my god, all the back and forth and the like, geez, just Thursday morning, if it's not pressing, Thursday morning will get to it. And I don't I don't feel anything other than like I wonder what wasn't pressing that I have to deal with, you know, rather than all day every day back and forth. This and that. You're making good choices. I can feel it. I can feel it. I just I want the lighter email, the know this is good. It's gonna be a good year for you. Yeah. It's gonna be a good year for you. Let's spin it one more time. I feel like I know where this is gonna land. Oh, it's landed on me. All right, here's something that I'm not gonna change. I'm gonna use my phone in bed before bed. I'm just gonna use my phone in bed before bed. I'm gonna be on my phone. Till it's time for my eyes to literally close. The best you can hope for and I and I consider this a compromise is I will declare, you know what? It's but I got to clear my mind and put my phone down so I can focus on one screen as a treat for maybe 15 minutes before we're lights out. And I mean, I want to have the TV going off in a sleep. I don't want I'm there's gonna be just I'm watching a show credits roll TV off the out. That's how I want to read. And how does R.E. deal with that? Are we not even care about that? They're on the same page. Okay. They're on the same page. Well, they they are they will end up. We will turn that show off. I will go to sleep and then they will be on their phone for like another hour trying to call you. Trying to wake you up because they're they're not they're like a they're like a night out. Yeah, they're a night out. But I can just fall asleep. Yeah, wow. I can just fall asleep. Now I'll wake up too soon. I'll wake up too soon because the camera and Crow the thoughts begin. Oh, the thoughts they come. Are you the first to wake up? Yeah. Yeah, I'm up. I'm up. Got it. My eyes open. I'm awake. He's up. He's up. Up. I got you. Are you able to fall back to sleep once you've woken up? It depends. I mean, I struggle. I already I like showed up. I said I love rock and roll and I have trouble sleeping camera. I already went into all this backstage. But yeah, I have to do my breathing exercises. I have to like do all of those kind of things. And sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. I'm here on no sleep, by the way. But you know what? They want to know that. And that's what we said. I said that you backstage. There's only one way you are on stage. You know what I mean? No, fucking awesome. Oh, right. Yeah, I'm, you know, take a tire. You know, you have you're like, you're a, you're a, you're like Michael Jackson when he played with it. Michael Jordan. I'm just like Michael Jackson. Michael Michael Michael. Michael. I was trying to say Michael Jordan the flu game. I was trying to say Michael Jordan the flu game. That's what I was trying to say. But in many ways, you also do separately. And we've talked about this. Remind me a lot of Michael Jackson. Now here's something. And here's something. Something I will change. Something I will change. Well, I will tell you something. Here's something I'm in the process of changing, which is it did take me, Cameron Crowe, until over the age of 40 to be officially diagnosed with what is evident by the cards and people that listen to the show as an extremely terminal case of ADHD. Like truly one of the worst like this is we've never seen one like this. We didn't know it could get this bad. Like they bring in other, they bring in the residents to kind of look at the chart. If you like, have you ever seen anything like this? We've never seen a brain make connections this poorly before. We've never seen someone. So it's picturing your skeleton on there too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My bones. They're like those bones have ADHD. We didn't know that was possible. Well, the doctor had ADHD too and was like, I was looking at the bones. That's why you guys are a good match. And then we're like, we have an idea about bones. All that's a way of saying is I now take something called Adderall. And I don't know if you've heard of this stuff. Boy, boy, they just give it to you at the pharmacy. That's insane because every day from about nine to 3 30 p.m. I'm a superior being. I'm like, I'm like Cameron's friend. What's his name? Movie star. Tom Cruise. What he's in minority report, moving the screens around. That's me doing my emails from 9 a.m. to 12 p.m. That's what happens. I'm like, I can see the future. I know about pre-crime. I'm moving things around. And then I'll crash and burn. Yeah. Then I'll crash and burn. Worth it. Worth it. Worth it. What's the crash like? Oh, you're in it. This is it. Wait, maybe I have ADHD. Did you say what you're not going to stop doing? I'm at no, I'm going to keep doing Adderall. I'm going to keep using my phone in bed. Oh, right. And the change is I'm going to keep treating this ADHD thing I found out that I had, obviously, because that's a new thing for me too, because I don't I respond to my emails every sort of three or four years. That's in my thing. I say, hey, don't email me unless the number is in the Fibonacci sequence. So it has to be Fibonacci. So sometimes it's two years in a row, but sometimes it's a huge gap. Yeah. Oh boy, John wandered off. Yeah. Let that get a laugh. It's weird when they don't, you know, yeah, it's like what I do, you know, I felt it. I just don't you didn't know the pain or the potential of all of it, the potential, the realization, this, the visual of people waiting on him to write back and then realizing he's wandering off. And I picture him heading off into the woods and I don't know. It's good. It's good. And that's our show. 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