From Applebee’s to a Fatal Car Crash… the Chilling Case of Morgan Patten

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I've looked into it extensively at this point, and I still just struggled to make sense of it all. But I have the honor today of Steve and Renee Patton joining me, Morgan Patton's parents. And I spoke with them yesterday. And these two, they're just so amazing. I just was so moved emotionally talking to them and have been during this entire experience because they love their daughter so much. I mean, they are the definition of incredible parents. And yeah, I just, their love for their daughter just transcends everything. Now, you may have heard of this case previously on other podcasts. It's been covered a few times, but there is actually new information out now that I'm able to share with you today that in my opinion is white compelling. So if you've already heard of this case, you've got to listen to what I've got to tell you today. Like I said, I am just really itching to get into this one. I have so much to say. So let me start, of course, by telling you about Morgan and what an amazing person she was. I mean, wow, salt of the earth individual, just a massive loss. So she was born on October 1st, 1995 in Lebanon, New Hampshire. Her full name is Morgan Renee Patton. And she grew up just a few towns over from Lebanon in Bradford with her two loving parents, Steve and Renee. And she was their only child. Renee actually had some health problems right after Morgan's birth when it was discovered that her body was rejecting Morgan's twins placenta, who was lost in the early stages of the pregnancy. She was able to recover and then she did get pregnant again a few years later, but then unfortunately had a miscarriage. And while she was at the hospital being treated for that, a doctor told them that the likelihood of her being able to carry a baby to full term was one in a million. And when Renee said they already had a child, the doctor responded, well, there's your one in a million. And that is exactly how Steve and Renee treated her. They were incredibly devoted parents and just determined to raise her at a home that was loving, supportive and kind. And in my opinion, they did an amazing job. I even told them on the phone yesterday that I'm going to steal a couple of ideas that they used for Morgan when she was growing up because I think I don't know the way they raised her, I think really reflects in the young woman that she was. But before I tell you more about her, I'd like you to hear from the people who knew her best. Steve and Renee. My name is Steve Patton and I'm Morgan's dad. I'm a naked and I'm Morgan's mom. As Morgan's parents, we tried to provide her with as many opportunities as possible, especially opportunities that we didn't have when we were kids growing up and taught her that the world was her oyster, her oyster and that she could make her life anything that she wanted to make it. What surprised us is the way she excelled that she took it to a level way beyond anything we ever imagined. When she was little, she was very curious and it wasn't a surprise to find her with a frog in the pocket of her dress. She was reading Renee, actually taught her how to read at three years old and she never stopped. She would read until we told her she had to put her book down to eat or to go to sleep. She played the piano beautifully. She looked at the hike and right. I think her favorite spots were on the top of the mountain or on a beach with the ocean. That was where she was certainly a piece. She had a tremendous way of making those around her the their best selves. She just instilled that in that way. People around morning just wanted to be better. She was a miracle child and we were fortunate to be here for her. My biggest takeaway about Morgan is the fact that she was a very down-to-earth type of person who I feel like I would have loved to be around. Also, she was a very truly unique person with so many different interesting facets to her. Like for instance, she was a really talented athlete who played soccer and loved doing outdoor activities like hiking and skiing. She actually started skiing at just four years old and she was so good at it that when she was just in second grade she taught her dad how to ski. But at the same time, she was a gifted musician who played the trumpet and took piano lessons every week for most of her life. She also had a beautiful voice and Steven Renee sent me a clip of her playing piano and singing so I wanted to share that with you guys so you can hear it for yourselves. I also learned that she was ambidextrous, which was a trait that she inherited from her mom. So that could have played a role in some of the skills she had, but anyway not only was Morgan talented at so many things, she was also incredibly intelligent. Renee explained that when she was younger she was really just observant of everything and was like a little sponge when it came to learning. And one thing that she loved from a very early age like as soon as she could was reading. She always had a book in her hand. Steve told me that when she was about eight or nine-ish, he had found an old edition of Tequila Mockingbird at a garage sale and he bought it for her. Which Tequila Mockingbird, which when I was in middle school I thought it was Tequila Mockingbird. So I was not quite as intelligent as Morgan, but I did read that middle school and that's like the age I feel most people read it as middle school maybe high school. But at her young age of eight or nine-ish, she devoured that book. She even wrote out her thoughts in the margins and would reread that same copy every single year even into her twenties. Finding great candidates to hire can be like, well, trying to find a needle in a haystack. 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And once she was done with that, she would sometimes write Steven Renee a whole letter about her decisions and why she made them. And Morgan wasn't just in tune with herself. She seemed to be very aware emotionally of people around her and cared for them. And a great example of this is a story that her friend Sophia told and her father retold it to me yesterday. And I'm going to try my best to tell you the way that he told it to me. But basically Morgan was picking up Sophia for school one morning. And as Sophia was walking to her car, she slipped and fell on the ice. And when she first fell down, she just kind of laid there. And Morgan, you know, from far away, picked up on the fact that she something had to have been going on for her to just like laid there kind of defeated, you know. And knowing that something was wrong, she got out of the car. And instead of just helping her up or asking her what was wrong, she just laid down next to her and eventually asked her what was going on. And Sophia explained that her cat had just passed away, her cat skittles. And so she just laid on the ground with Sophia for a while and let her talk about her grief until eventually she said, okay, let's go to school. And I love that story because I really think it shows how in tune Morgan was with her surroundings and how caring and careful she was, which I think it's important to remember. And you know, she used her comprehension of the world around her and all areas of her life. And as she grew into an adult, she decided that she wanted to use that intellect to pursue a career in science. So in 2014, after graduating from high school, she got an academic scholarship to Colby Sawyer College, which was about 15 miles away from Bradford. But after her freshman year, she decided she didn't want to go there anymore because she felt like the college environment was distracting her from her academics. So she decided to move back home and attend online courses through Southern New Hampshire University. Then in 2015, Morgan went through a big life change. That year, she visited her cousin who lived on Cape Cod in Massachusetts. And after coming back, she told Steven Renee that she wanted to move out there. And shortly after that, she did it. And she seemed to really flourish out there. She kept working on her bachelor's degree, got a job, tied her own place, and got involved with the oceanic scientific community. And she adopted an eight year old cat named Gigi. And apparently she had actually gone to the animal shelter with the plan to attend. But when she met Gigi, she just fell in love with her and felt like she needed to give her the home that she needed. And I feel like this happens to so many people with cats, you go there thinking you want to get a kitten and then you just fall in love with an older one, the older ones are so sweet. So everything was going really great for her. And then something even better happened. And that was meeting the love of her life, a guy named Phil. Now the two of them met over a dating app. But because Morgan was a little bit more than a kid, she was like, I don't know, I don't know. Because Morgan was generally cautious, she sort of wanted to, you know, sus him out before meeting in person. And Phil was willing to be patient. So they messaged for about a month before their first date. But once they met, the connection was immediately there. And everyone in their lives could see that they were perfect for each other, especially Steve and Renee. And as their relationship grew and they got more serious about each other, Morgan and Gigi moved into Phil's home on Martha's Vineyard. It was also around this time that Morgan obtained her bachelors in Geo Science with a focus on energy. And even more exciting, she had been accepted into the coastal environment law program at Roger Williams University. Now Phil was well aware that Morgan had a strong career ambitions. And he was very supportive of it. And he had a goal of his own. He wanted to join the Marines, but he was 28 years old, which is the maximum age. So if he was going to enlist, he would have to do it soon. Now her father Steve had also served in the Marines for six years. So Morgan understood the type of commitment it was in the lifestyle that it brought. And she wanted his dreams to come true as well. So the two of them made the decision together. Phil would enlist in the reserves, allowing him to keep his current job and serve in the Marines part time, following six months of full time training. And once he was in a reserve unit, Morgan would follow her dreams of practicing environment law. And she actually deferred her acceptance into Roger Williams University by a year so that she could wait for him. And once he left for basic training, it was really tough on both of them because they could only communicate through letters. And obviously that was a challenge. But even with that strain, they were super committed to one another. Every single morning at the start of her day, Morgan would write him a letter. And whenever he was able to mail one back to her, she was just over the moon to get it. Then on October 19th, 2019, Phil graduated from basic training and was stationed at Camp Geiger, a substation of Camp LeJune in Jacksonville, North Carolina. And with this change that meant they could finally communicate over calls and texts again, which can you imagine how good how to feel and Phil wasted no time with that. How much so that on October 19th, 2019, while on the phone, Phil told her that he couldn't wait to spend his life with her. And that's when he proposed Morgan happily said yes, and she could not wait to marry him. When Morgan brought Phil home and we met him, you could see the magic, the comfort, the happiness, the joy. And we were over the moon. I tried to be the stern and protective dad when Morgan brought Phil to us and throughout that first evening, I just softened into a puddled, there was nothing more that I could want for Morgan than to see her in that happy and that loved and protected. And it was magical, like you said, epic is the word that we've used Renee and I were driving home from a weekend work event when Morgan called us and said that Phil needed to speak to us about something. And we wondered all the way home what it was that Phil could possibly want to talk to us about. He was actually stationed at Camp Geiger in North Carolina, then. So when we arrived home, we we called Phil and said that Morgan had told us there was something he needed to speak to us about it. She insinuated it was something about his training in the Marine Corps. And he said, well, that's not actually the truth. I wanted to ask your permission to ask for Morgan's hand in marriage. And Renee and I were silent for maybe 10 seconds on the other end of the line and it probably seemed like a week to fill waiting for our response. Then we told him how we felt about seeing him and Morgan together and how we felt about their relationship and welcomed him into the family. This was really such an exciting time in Morgan's life. I mean, she had a wedding on the horizon and her dream of studying coastal law was just right around the corner, but tragically Morgan never got the chance to live out her dream that was coming true because her life was unexpectedly cut short in such a horrific way. And her loved ones are still just trying to make sense of it trying to figure out why. And I think when you hear what happened, you are going to be as shocked as I was when I first heard. So let me tell you about what led up to it about two weeks after their engagement. Phil was given a four day weekend with limited liberty for Veterans Day, which basically means he was free to do whatever he wanted the entire day before he had to report back to Camp Geiger at night. And of course, he and Morgan wanted to take advantage of the time that they could finally have together. So she made the trek out to Jacksonville on November 8, 2019, which really was quite the journey for her. Just to get there, she had to take a ferry, a bus to Boston to then catch a flight to New York and then another plane to Charlotte and then another small commuter plane to Jacksonville and finally in Uber to her hotel. All of this took her about 13 hours of travel by herself. And so by the time that she checked into the Bay Mount hotel, she was exhausted. And since Phil wasn't able to leave the base that evening that she got in, they were going to meet the next day at 8 a.m. First thing. 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So when she went over to the restaurant, she walked under the street lights instead of taking the more direct route, which would be straight through the dark parking lot. And I think that alone just shows you how thoughtful Morgan was to take that extra step to go out of her way, walk under the lights. She was safe. She was careful. And that's what makes what happened to her that night, all the more mind boggling, because shortly after 10.45pm, a resident in Mazeville, North Carolina called 911 to report a horrible car accident. Across the street from their home, a truck had been driving 88 miles per hour in a 55 zone, down a dark, rural road, when it suddenly turned to the right, off the road. Then the driver turned the wheel to the left, but over corrected, and ended up driving right past the lanes of traffic, off the road, hitting a tree, mailbox, and telephone box before flipping on its side and landing in front of a fence. And when first responders arrived, they came across a horrific scene. The truck was on its passenger side with the cab almost completely off the frame. Chunks of the vehicle were torn apart, and three of its tires had been ripped off. There was a debris field surrounding the crash that was nearly the size of a football field. They all fell to guys with things scattered around like empty beer cans and a cowboy hat, vehicle pieces, multiple different IDs belonging to different people, a broken gun, and even bullets. Now the driver of the truck, 22-year-old Hunter Wells, was found pacing around in circles at the site saying that he didn't mean to hurt anyone. But he had in a really horrific way. A passenger, who was Hunter's roommate and friend, 20-year-old Charles Cornwall, was partially ejected with his legs sticking out of the back window. He was unconscious and horribly injured, so much so that first responders didn't think he was actually going to make it, but he was airlifted to the hospital. But the absolute worst part of it all is that Morgan Patton was found lying face down near the front of the vehicle with a part of it pinning down her ankles. And based on how she landed, it seemed like she was possibly ejected through the passenger side window. It was also believed that she wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Now, EMS workers lifted that piece to free her, and while at first she was showing signs of labored breathing, it was in fact too late. At 11.07pm, Morgan Patton was declared dead at the scene at just 24 years old. No idea was found for her though, so she was tagged at Jane Doe until the next morning when she was identified through her cell phone. And if you haven't heard of this case, I'm sure you are totally shocked and confused, because Morgan was supposed to just go grab a quick dinner at Applebee's right, then go to sleep, and meet up with Phil first thing in the morning. So what happened? How did she end up there? How in the world did she end up in this horrific crash with two guys that she didn't even know? Well, that's still a question that all of her loved ones are trying to answer. But before I try my best to explain and go over all of the just bizarre and suspicious things that surround this case, I want you to hear from Steve and Renee about their experience at this time. The initial shock hearing the Bradford police officer who was also a friend at 440 in the morning of November 9, 2019 tell us that tell me first that Morgan was dead. It was so intense that I can remember wanting to punch him and I'm thankful that I didn't he's still a friend. And my very next thought was that I needed to protect Renee from that information. I in that crazy moment, I just thought somehow she can't learn about this, because this will kill her. I had to hear Steve say it several times before I could really process it. And I just remember being like, it, that's impossible. Morgan wasn't driving down there. She. There was no vehicles involved in the weekend that she had planned. Phil didn't have a vehicle. Morgan obviously didn't have a vehicle there and Phil was the only one that she knew in onslaught county North Carolina. So I just can miss myself. I had had to have been a mistake and I didn't find out what happened. And we. We went down immediately and. In complete shock the entire time. Shock and disbelief we did. Honestly, we had a feeling that. This is a terrible mistake. You know, all the way to North Carolina and it took us, you know, eight hours, nine hours. To get to onslaught county and all the way we were. Just kept up thinking this has to be a horrible mistake. And when we get there, Morgan will beat up with Morgan and she'll explain it all. Once we arrived and met with a sergeant from North Carolina Highway Patrol and we learned more information from him about the crash and the scene and anything that he had learned about the fact leading up to it. Nothing added up. It. It's it just didn't make sense this. These things were impossible. You know, Morgan not wearing a seat belt and the rate of speed that they were traveling at in the location. The remote location 13 miles away from where the hotel she was staying and it just. It also seemed impossible, but at the same time this. It was very heavy and very real. So as you heard right away, Steve and Renee start making their way to Jacksonville and while that's happening authorities are. I guess trying to figure out what exactly happened after Charles was airlifted Hunter was taken for medical care. Morgan's body was sent to the morgue and the North Carolina State Highway Patrol began processing the scene and here's where things get weird. So at around 1115 p.m. which was only about five minutes after Hunter had been transported to Marines in civilian clothes came to the crash site. Now both Hunter and Charles were serving as Marines at Camp LeJune and just to clarify in case you're wondering Phil did not know these guys at all. So that's not a reason why she would be with them. But anyway, these two random Marines not Hunter and Charles not film some random guys. They approach the scene and they approach a firefighter who's blocking the scene and one of them says that he is the driver's brother. Then the firefighter relays this to the highway patrol agents who tell him that it's okay to let them on to the scene and they walked right on. But here's the thing. Okay? Hunter Wells doesn't have a brother. So we have no idea to this day who these two guys were. What they may have done at the scene, why they were at the scene, if they took or tampered with anything and what they're motive for being there actually was especially because Hunter wasn't even there anymore. And not to mention the crash had just happened not many people knew about it. So how do they even know to go there? And I'll tell you now this is just one of the first of many odd things that happened in this case. And another was how the scene was processed. While processing it, Asians found a broken rifle and a few mixed caliber bullets. But it seems like they didn't consider this to be very important because one of the officers just threw it right back in the truck. And then after only about an hour, the sergeant decided that he wanted the whole scene cleaned up by morning. So he called a local auto body shop to tow the car and it was never officially processed for evidence. This week at Little you can afford to be Mum's favourite. 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And also keep in mind this is hours after the crash occurred so it probably wasn't even accurate to how drunk he could have been at the time of the actual crash. And then when he starts to explain why Morgan was with them, which is what everyone wants to know, his story doesn't make a lot of sense. He states that he and Charles were at the local Apple bees when they met her and after chatting and drinking together, they invited her to go shoot guns with them. He goes on to claim that the three of them left the restaurant stopped to buy beer went to his house to pick up a gun and then were on their way to go shoot. And there are a lot of things that don't add up with his story. So let's break it down. First of all, the police were never able to verify that they stopped anywhere for beer. There is a circle K that was between the Apple bees and the crash site, which police believe would be the most likely place they would have gone. When they checked the surveillance cameras, none of them were seen. And then Morgan's phone GPS doesn't show anywhere that they would have stopped either. So that's a major hole in the story. But there's more. It turns out Hunter had a roommate living at that house. So you would think it would be easy for them to confirm if they went there, right? But they've told different stories about this. And Steve actually talked to that roommate and he told him that they didn't stop there. However, when he talked to the police nearly four years later, he changed his story and said that Hunter and Charles did come to the house with a girl who was outside waiting in the car, which is obviously a massive detail to be giving conflicting accounts about. But those aren't the only confusing things about this shooting story. So like I mentioned, at the scene of the crash, they found a broken rifle and mixed caliber ammunition. And after hearing that, you might think, oh, well, maybe that does point to them going shooting that night. However, just like everything else in this case, it's not that simple because, first of all, the police never verified if the rifle had been previously broken or if the crash destroyed it because it wasn't properly processed, awesome job guys. But that aside, there were only about five bullets for that type of gun at the scene. Yeah, five. That means if they were all going to go shooting that night, they would all get to shoot the gun maybe once or twice wasn't even enough for them all to do it twice. And maybe I'm crazy. And to be honest, I don't know anything about shooting guns. I've never been to a shooting range. So I guess I can't completely speak from experience, but things just common sense that that sounds like a huge waste of time. Plus Hunter never explained where they were going to go shooting. There is a government shooting range just about seven miles up the road from the crash site, but that's not open to the public. And anyone going there at night needs authorized permission. It's not something you just roll up to. And maybe you could argue that they were going to just find some open space to go shoot around. But they didn't even have a target. And they like I said had five bullets. And of course, none of that explains why Hunter was driving so fast. Remember he was driving 88 miles an hour. And while there are just so many things that don't add up about this story, the thing that stands out to me the most is Morgan's character. This just doesn't make sense for her and the type of person she was. We know how much she calculated every decision she made in her life from a young age. Remember I told you guys she was using a whiteboard for pros and cons even for little things so much as going to a friend's house. And her mom said one of the most impulsive decisions she ever made was adopting an older cat. She just was not an impulsive person. She did not live life that way. Plus she was getting up in the morning to see the love of her life. She was so excited. You think she's going to just get in the car with these two random guys to go shooting not to mention. I just don't believe she would ever get in the car with, I mean, two strangers let alone people who had been going to the car. She was so drunk. All of this is just so extremely out of character for her and nothing at all in her history points to this type of behavior. And it's not like Morgan was some big gun enthusiast that would jump at the chance to go shooting with these random two dudes at Apple bees in the middle of the night. And I even Renee explained that she had only been shooting a few times in her life, but it was always with people that she knew and trusted like Steve or Phil or her uncle. And it seemed like she really just went with them to learn how to do it not because she was passionate about her love doing it. She wasn't the type of person to just throw caution at the wind and live on the edge. So why would she decide to do something so radically impulsive just to do something that she doesn't even really care for that much. Hunter's story just doesn't make any sense. And what's so frustrating about this case, I mean everything about this case is frustrating, but the fact that police did not do their due diligence when investigating and mind you, this is the only official narrative that hunter ever gave police because later that evening, and around 545 PM, Hunter was arrested and charged with felony death by motor vehicle felony serious injury by motor vehicle and several misdemeanors as well. And when he was arrested, he stated, I want to tell you what happened, but I need to speak to my lawyer first. But then after that, he never gave another statement. And look, of course, it's well within his rights to wait for an attorney, but I just think the first half of that statement, what is it exactly, I want to tell you what happened. It just says a whole lot. It's very odd considering this point, he already told them the whole story. So what is it that he wanted to tell them, but he never said anything else. And so the questions that her loved ones have only have grown. Now just a couple hours after the arrest Steve Renee and Phil's parents arrive in Jacksonville and they go to pick up Phil and together they went to speak with authorities about what happened to Morgan. So our initial meetings with investigators in North Carolina were just gathering facts, learning information. As they were learning it in real time, you know, it was all still new, it was an active investigation. We're still trying to process what they were telling us and we realized that this was our new reality. Um, notify you know, we left home so quickly that we barely anybody knew what had happened or why we left. So we were talking with friends and family back home. We didn't feel that anything was being withheld. And as far as information in those early meetings, it's it just was frustrating that there was so much missing and we trusted that investigators were looking for all the answers. Well, the other more concerned we shared with them, it seemed they seemed very responsive and actively pursuing answers to our questions. And on Tuesday, November 12th, as we were leaving North Carolina, both of us nearly sick to our stomachs feeling that we were leaving Morgan behind in a, in a horrible place. We also felt comforted that we were going to get the answers that we needed. You know, we were assured by that sergeant with North Carolina State Highway Patrol that by the end of that week, more than 100 officers from 10 different agencies, those were his words. 100 officers from 10 different agencies would be on that case. And then the communication became difficult immediately after we arrived home. You know, emails would go unanswered and phone calls weren't returned. And they family friend who is a great attorney hearing New Hampshire suggested that we hire representation in Oslo County. Just to, if for nothing else to bridge that communication gap that was created just from geography. So we acted on that suggestion and we, we found an attorney in North Carolina who had a staff private investigator who immediately started digging into the case as well. So as you heard them say at first, it seemed like the investigation would be treated with care. But after going back to New Hampshire, they felt like they needed to take matters into their own hands. And this is when they were able to gather more information. Now I'm going to be honest with you, there is just a lot of complex details and also conflicting information in this case. And so I'm going to do my best to explain everything that the patents were able to gather. And I want to start out here by talking about what happened at the Applebee's when Morgan first met Hunter and Charles. Like I said before, at around 7.05 pm Morgan left her hotel room took the longer route to walk under the street lights and then entered Applebees. When she gets there, she takes a seat at the bar in between a couple and a group of friends and then orders a Sam Adams October Fest beer and a crispy chicken salad. And while she's waiting to get her food, she ends up chatting with one of the bartenders and she tells them that she had just gotten into town and that she was there to see her fiance. Then around 8.24 pm Hunter Wells and Charles Cornwall entered the Applebee's wearing cowboy hats and flannel shirts which made the staff there refer to them as the cowboys. So they take their seats across the bar from Morgan and based on text messages, we know that they notice her pretty much right away. And these text messages in my opinion tell you a whole lot. And this is one of those bits of information that has not previously been out in any podcast or media. And the patents just got a hold of these sometime over the summer. So anyway, at 8.51 Hunter texted Charles and said she's interested. Keep talking. Then a few minutes later, she keeps looking over. Then sometime between 9 and 9.30 pm. The couple sitting next to Morgan leaves and that's when Charles and Hunter swoop in to approach her and take those seats. Now this is just my opinion, but those text messages right off the bat. Again, this is my opinion, but to me it's giving predator. Now two bartenders that were there that night spoke to the patents PI and gave their account of what they witness between the three of them. And one of them said they were having a polite conversation that seemed casual. And then the other said that the two guys were pushing Morgan into having a conversation. And to that bartender, it looked like she was trying to be polite, even though she didn't seem interested in engaging much with them. And what's really interesting to me is this second bartender was a woman. And it makes me wonder if she was picking up on something different than the male bartender was because I don't know. I think as a woman, maybe she had experiences her own lived experiences that made her sense how Morgan was possibly feeling because it's interesting that she notes that but the other one doesn't. But even so, both bartenders, the man and the woman were shocked to find out that Morgan would have ever been in a car with the two of them afterwards. They both did say that the guys offered to buy Morgan shots and another beer and they remembered serving her the shot, however, they can't confirm if she actually drank it. Around this time, at 9.14 pm Hunter texted his other roommate and he said, if she comes back with us, the house is yours. Yours and Cornwall's room is mine and his. So it's pretty obvious what their intentions were here, right? To me, it seems like Hunter wanted him and Charles to take her into the bedroom alone with them and do who knows what. Now, at the very least, it does show us that he was planning on getting Morgan out of that Apple bees. Then after that text was sent at 9.41 pm, Charles paid for his and Hunter's tab, which included two double shots and three single shots of Jack Daniels, as well as four 20 ounce beers and then another 16 ounce beer. And it's believed that one of the single shots and the 16 ounce beer was for Morgan. Now, here's where things get weird. Okay, so at 9.42 pm Morgan texted Steven Renee and said, okay, going to sleep, followed by I'll text you in the morning, which made them assume that she was back in her hotel room, but she wasn't. It turns out that she kept texting with Phil while after that at around 10.24 pm, she said she couldn't wait to see him. And then about a minute later, she texted him. Also, people bring cocaine onto base through pizza just by the way. And he responded, do they really? And at 10.40 pm, she responded with, yes, they do. And that last text was sent from her phone. And mind you, this was only about 10 minutes before the crash, which is crazy. And there was really no context at all as to why she said that. And it's actually unclear when Morgan even left the Apple bees because no one saw her leave. And there was no surveillance footage. One of the bartenders stated that when he last saw any of them, one of the guys exited through the front door, and one of them was still at the bar. And that's also when Morgan went to the bathroom. But what's interesting is no one witnessed Morgan or the remaining guy leave. And to make things even more bizarre, Morgan did not pay for her tab that night, which is incredibly unlikely. She had never done that before. She had actually worked as a server for years. And she understood what a problem it would be for someone to not pay their bill. How messed up that is to do. She just would never do that. So this is made people wonder myself included if someone stopped her from getting back to the bar. And this would have been possible because it turns out that the bathroom is near a side exit that leads to the parking lot, which could be a potential spot for someone to force her out without anybody seeing. And like we know, one of the bartenders said that one of the guys wasn't in the restaurant at this time. The other one still was. So what's incredibly frustrating though is that, like I said, Apple bees has no surveillance footage inside or outside in the parking lot. Nothing. It also appears that police didn't look at any of the surrounding businesses cameras either, which is just maddening. They did try to eventually look at traffic cameras, but by the time they did all the footage had been erased. So that's awesome. And as for what happened after the crash, the patents learned some key information there too. Specifically about what Morgan's autopsy revealed. Her autopsy was conducted on Monday, November 11th, and her cause of death was determined to be blunt force trauma, as well as crush injury to her organs that caused internal bleeding. During the examination, her blood and a sexual assault kit were taken and sent off for further testing. And while waiting for the result, the sergeant gave Steve and Renee the weirdest warning. He told them that if Morgan's blood alcohol content was above the legal limit, then he would assume that she got into Hunter's truck willingly, which is such a bizarre and wildly unfair assumption that makes no sense. Obviously, just because someone is drunk doesn't mean they can't be taken against their will or coerced into doing something. In some cases, it makes it easier for the perpetrator to do that. Right? I mean, we all know this. And this is coming from a sergeant. I just don't see why he thought that her blood alcohol content should even be a factor in determining how she ended up in that car, but honestly, at the time her parents weren't worried about it. It was not going to come back high considering that she had one, maybe two beers and maybe a single shot. But when the results came back, her BAC was 0.13, which is extremely high. So law enforcement seems to have pretty much taken that to mean that she willingly got into the car without questioning it, which is beyond problematic and another discussion that we could just go into. But here's the thing, her BAC might not have actually been an accurate reading for how much she had to drink that night because, and I'm sure a lot of you know this, especially if you consume true crime content on a regular basis, but during decomposition, the body can produce ethanol. The variant's autopsy was not done until days after the crash, giving the body more time to produce ethanol, which is why it could have appeared higher than it was. And the patents also noticed something strange when they got a copy of the autopsy report. The vitrous fluid had been tested. The vitrous fluid that comes from the vitrous humor in the eyeball and importantly isn't affected by alcohol formed during decomposition. So that means it's a much more accurate way to tell someone's BAC if their autopsy is done days after they passed. Alcohol content from that test was only 0.02. And this is obviously a huge discrepancy from the BAC gathered from her blood. And it makes law enforcement's whole idea of, if she was drunk enough, she got in that car willingly, make no sense, because clearly she wasn't even if that idea made any sense to begin with. But anyway. When the patents brought this to the assistant district attorney, they said, we'll just have to assume that it was somewhere between 0.02 and 0.13. Which is such a maddening statement to hear that is, in what world does that make any sense? And to get a response like that, especially when the sergeant told him that that number was going to determine how much investigative work they were going to put into figuring out how she got in the car. And as far as her toxicology report, nothing else came back detected in her system, but it wasn't exactly extensive. Okay? They only tested for benzodiazepines, cocaine, gabapentin, slash pre-gabaline, and opiate slash opioids. There were no test-unpersonthetic drugs like GHB. And if you don't know, GHB is the date rate drug or roofies. And that means that if her drinks were spiked at Applebees, it wouldn't be in the report. And around this time, Stephen Renee learned even more about the condition Morgan was in. Their lawyer was able to obtain photos of Morgan at the crash site, and they show that Morgan's belt on her pants was still buckled and intact, but her pants were unzipped and had been horizontally cut under the zipper. So hearing that, you may think that her clothes could have been torn during the crash, but none of her other clothes had been ripped or damaged whatsoever, and investigators also didn't seem to have any answers as to how this actually happened. That being said, I'm sure you're thinking maybe the answers will be in the results of that sexual assault kit. Now, when that came back, there were no signs of trauma, but there was a small amount of male DNA present. Unfortunately, not surprisingly, investigators said they didn't have enough probable cause to request DNA from Hunter or Charles. Keep in mind, though, Morgan had yet to see Phil, so it's very unlikely pretty much impossible that it would have been his, and that's not the only place that DNA was found. There's also foreign DNA found in her fingernail scraping from three contributors. One of them was from Morgan, the other two profiles were too small and difficult to separate, but it was determined that at least one was male. And that, of course, makes us wonder if it was from Hunter or Charles. Now, speaking of Charles, the pans were also able to learn some interesting things about him, so his injuries were extensive, and that included a broken wrist, tailbone, breastbone, and four ribs. He also had a ruptured diaphragm, lacerated spleen, a collapsed lung, and more. Now, Stephen René didn't know this at the time, but the Marines were actually conducting a line of duty investigation into Charles' conduct, specifically his underage drinking, because it might affect his disability compensation. Like I said earlier, IDs belonging to random people were found at the crash site, including in Charles' pockets, and it seems like he may have been using at least some of them to get alcohol. So for this inquiry, which happened after he was released from the hospital, Charles had to do a phone interview. And during it, he tells them that he doesn't remember anything about the accident or anything leading up to it, convenience, especially when you think about the fact that out of all the injuries he had, out of all the injuries that were listed, traumatic brain injury isn't one of them. But even though he says he doesn't remember anything about the accident or anything leading up to it, he somehow does remember that he was wearing a seatbelt and that he was sitting in the passenger seat. But even though an official reconstruction of the accident never actually was done, emergency workers believed that he was not wearing a seatbelt. He also said that he didn't think he drank that night because he claims the hospital told him that he didn't have any alcohol in his sister. Wow dude, what a load of shit. We know this isn't true because his BAC was 0.13. And even with these discrepancies, the line of duty inquiry report was submitted and stated, there is no evidence to suggest Lance Corporal Cornwall consumed alcohol prior to the crash. And it's hard to accept that that is the result they came to, considering there was clearly evidence that he had been drinking. Just such a load of shit it is infuriating. And when Steve informed the Marine Command staff, they told him, there's nothing we can do about it because Charles had already been discharged. But this actually wasn't the only time he gave statements. In October of 2020, the ADA's office finally interviewed Charles, but of course he's claiming he can't remember anything. Oh, what a shame. In this interview though, he does say that he lived in Hunter's house and that he knows he had a history of speeding. And he also told them that he knew that Hunter had previously driven drunk and crashed his car on his own wedding day. An April of 2019 sounds like a real stand up guy, but one of the most significant and infuriating things he told them was about the first time he saw Hunter after the crash. Turns out that after Charles got out of the hospital, he went over to Hunter's to grab his things. And when he showed up, Hunter was having a party. Yes, that is right. It's just beyond disgusting thinking about how he could do this after taking someone's life. He could throw down with his buddies, have a party. It's just some people are just so fucking. It's hard to even wrap your mind around how you could operate like that, but it gets worse. Apparently Hunter was so excited to see him that he said to Charles, you owe me. I saved your life. And he said that Hunter told him that the reason Morgan was with them was so that he and Charles could hook up in the back seat while Hunter drove them around. Now this is obviously a new story and very different from the shooting story. I mean, if the two of them wanted to hook up if it was consensual on Morgan's part, which I don't believe, why not go to their house or to Morgan's hotel room? Why would they do it in the back of a speeding car with some guy driving them? And aside from how logical that is, it doesn't align with Morgan's character at all. Although I'm not dismissing the idea that something was being done to Morgan in the back that she was being assaulted. But there is just no reality in my mind where Morgan would be consensually hooking up with this loser in the back of this truck. There is just no way. I mean, she was in town to see Phil for the first time after getting engaged and she was not going to throw all that away just for some guy that she met at Applebees. Now, Charles said that this didn't align with his character either because he told the PI that this story didn't make sense to him because he wasn't the type to hook up with strangers. He said he previously just had one girlfriend and he'd only had one nightstand one time, so it just didn't sound like something he would do. And he felt like Hunter didn't feel remorseful and that the two of them haven't talked since, so that's interesting. But when the patents PI spoke with him in August of 2021, he told them that he and Hunter hadn't actually talked about the crash at all. And at that point, he distanced himself from Hunter even more. He said that he doesn't remember Hunter very well. And he just knows he didn't have the best character. And he claimed he didn't actually live with him. Yet in the same conversation, he said that Hunter was known for speeding while driving. And that's not all that changed in his statement. He now claimed that he was having trouble remembering the day of the crash. But he also forgets things that happened in the months before and months after the crash. Yeah, some interesting things still came out of that conversation. The P.I. asked Charles if he knew anything about drugs being smuggled into the base and pizza boxes, specifically drugs and pizza boxes. And he probably remember that one of Morgan's last texts was about that specifically about cocaine in the pizza boxes. And when this is brought up, Charles said that he had heard that that was a thing. And when he was asked if he had ever talked about it with anyone, he said he wouldn't have. Now, something crazy, the P.I. was actually able to track down an interview that Charles had done for his brother's student newspaper, which he talked about drugs being smuggled in pizza boxes. So the P.I. informs Charles about Morgan's text and the newspaper interview. And Charles read the article before saying, not to be anal, but I don't see anywhere in here. I told him that we were finding cocaine in Domino's pizza boxes, which is really interesting because the P.I. never specifically mentioned cocaine. He just said drugs. But Morgan's text, like I said, did specifically say cocaine. So that has raised some questions about whether or not Charles knows more than he says he does. Now, the P.I. also asked him how he thought Morgan ended up with them. And he gave an interesting answer. He said that he wondered if he and Hunter might have offered to sneak Morgan into Camp Geiger to see Phil. And it's unclear why he thought this was possible. I mean, aside from Morgan being in the car and then the two of them being stationed at the same camp, there isn't anything else that points to this theory. And there's a pretty big flaw in the theory as well. The fact that the car was headed in the opposite direction from the camp. So once again, it's just another story from these guys that makes no sense. And then at the end of the conversation, the P.I. asked Charles if he would be willing to take a polygraph test. Now, two weeks later, he did take one. But afterwards, the examiner wrote, in my opinion, the tracings were too erratic and inconsistent to evaluate. And it appeared the examiner's physiology was being intentionally distorted. And the reason for this was that Charles didn't listen to any of the instructions he was given beforehand. Or maybe he was and he purposely didn't follow them. That's my opinion. But he was told to get plenty of sleep to not drink 24 hours beforehand and to have something to eat before coming in. But he took absolute trash care of himself leading up to the polygraph test turns out he only got about two hours of sleep. And this is what he admitted by the way. He also drank the night before and hadn't eaten anything since dinner. The examiner also stated his intentional disregard for the instructions could have added to the problem of collecting his data. So it seems that the polygraph examiner has the same opinion that idea that he purposely didn't follow these instructions. And Charles wasn't the only one to give inconsistent stories. Hunter did, too, of course. The patents P.I. was able to speak with Hunter's ex-wife. And she told him that he had actually called her the night of the crash. He was crying and he said that he and Charles were driving somewhere and that he hit a vehicle head on and that he thinks the other driver is dead. And on this call, there was no mention of Morgan or her even being in the car with them, which is interesting because why would he want to tell her that right? But then when he talked to her in person, the story changed again. And this time he said that the girl who died, the other person who died, was actually in his car. And that she was in the back making out with Charles, which seems like the same story he told other people. According to the P.I. who spoke with someone at the tow yard the car was taken to Hunter said something similar. So it sounds like Hunter came to pick up the car with either his dad or his granddad. The worker wasn't exactly sure who it was. But either way, they made a comment to this guy that he got into an accident because he was helping a friend but quote, no good deed goes unpunished. So if you've lost count at this point, this would be the fourth version of the story that he has told people. But there is something that has stuck out to me in every different story. Hunter has never once explained what caused him to turn right off the road, which has made people speculate if something happened in the car like maybe Morgan fighting someone off her, which in my opinion seems like a strong theory. Yet even with all these conflicting stories and unanswered questions, the investigation came to a close. In November of 2023, Steve and Renee learned that Hunter was offered a plea deal. He pled guilty to felony death by motor vehicle and felony serious injury in exchange for 38 months in prison and one year of probation following his release, which will be in January of 2027. Now, obviously, this was not the resolution that Steve and Renee were hoping for. We were vehemently opposed to any plea deal in this case and we made that well known not just us, but everybody that knew and loved Morgan Patton was vocal about not accepting a plea deal, especially one that did not require Hunter Wells to disclose. This was verifiable fact about what happened on November 8, 2018. And we were assured we were reminded at every meeting with the district attorney and the assistant district attorneys that Morgan's case would result in a jury trial at very least. And then days a few days before the trial was finally scheduled to begin on the eve of Thanksgiving in 2023. We got a email stating that Hunter Wells had accepted a deal offered by the district attorney's office and it was absolutely sickening. We felt defeated. We felt like nothing that we had shared mattered. We felt like Morgan Patton's life didn't matter to them. We felt like they just wanted to clear this off their desk and that's all that mattered. Then there's nothing we could do about it. Aside from speaking out at the sentencing hearing, which eight of us, friends and family delivered victim impact statements in person at the sentencing hearing and they were six others read privately by the judge that were delivered as written statements. And one of the unfortunate parts about our impact statements is the judge informed us that we were not allowed to make any negative comments about law enforcement or the investigators in Morgan's case. And the few people that did read verbatim any negative comments in their statement were shut down immediately by the judge. So we didn't even have that opportunity to share a disappointment in the lack of investigation. The whole experience, it's when it seemed like it all culminated with that type of a disappointment. It just sourned the justice system in our minds. It's not what we were taught to believe the justice system represents. It was heartbreaking being in the courtroom and not being able to speak the way we wanted to speak and say what we wanted and needed to say. And hopes that it would help Morgan find better justice than what they were giving and it was, it was just horrible. Disturbing the way that we were treated at the Oslo County Superior Court in the courtroom that day when the defendant was responsible for Morgan's death, one of the two responsible for Morgan's death was surrounded by sheriff's deputies whose duty was to protect him from us as though we were the criminals. But what's even more upsetting is how the DA treated them during the months leading up to it. Steve and Renee were told over and over again that Hunter's case would be going through to a jury trial, which is what they wanted of course. But that changed when he was offered a plea deal. And when they expressed the DA that they were upset by this, my gosh, this is going to piss you off. And this is, you know, coming from them, I don't have record that he said this, but I believe Steve and Renee and I does not shock me that this guy said this. He allegedly said, you don't want his fate to be in the hands of 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. A statement like that just shows you that the people in charge of this case didn't treat it with the care and urgency that it deserved. And speaking of that, Charles never faced any charges or was even seriously questioned by investigators. And he currently, I swear you guys, he works as a sheriff's deputy in Montana, which is pretty concerning for many reasons. But also the fact that he openly says that he has struggled with memory issues and impulse control. Now, even though this case is closed for investigators, is not closed for Stephen Renee, they have not given up hope that one day they will learn what exactly happened to Morgan before that crash. After the sendencing hearing, they retained a civil rights attorney. Steve recently got his PI license because he's incredible and they plan on having further testing done on the DNA samples. And I'm really excited to tell you guys that they are recent recipients of higher hopes, hope grant, to help reimburse them for some of the expenses that they've had to put towards getting answers. And Steve and Renee are the exact type of people that I had in mind when starting the higher hope foundation that they were the type of parents that I wanted to help. They are just so inspiring to me as a new parent myself, the way that they have continued to show up as Morgan's parent and will continue for the rest of their lives. And I have done such a great job representing her getting to the bottom of things never giving up and they've also worked really hard to maintain Morgan's legacy and honor her memory. In August of 2023, they established their foundation miles to go in honor of her. And what they've been able to do is truly amazing. They told me a lot about it when we talked on the phone, but I think it's best that you hear it from them. And these miles to go foundation was started by Renee and I out of necessity when we found ourselves in a really dark place after years of being enthralled in an investigation, constantly searching for answers and constantly hitting walls and hurdles. We just needed some positivity in our lives that we had some control over over. So we started the foundation in August of 2023 with the mission of perpetuating the life of Morgan and Nate Patton by empowering youth and young adults through opportunity. In short, we want to provide opportunities for kids similar to what Morgan experienced as a child because we wholeheartedly believe that the incredible adult that Morgan grew into was shaped by her experiences as a child. So the foundation has done many fundraisers. We do 5K every year. We also did a fall ball, which was amazing. And we've been able to use what we've raised for scholarships at Kiersearch High School, which Steve, Morrie and myself have all graduated from. And this year, we'd like to extend the scholarship to another school and and then from there, hopefully grow and be able to do scholarships for many schools for many kids. And I think that we have many more goals that we'd like to achieve and many more things we'd like to contribute. And we've also done the machine dummy. We sponsored a youth fishing derby in Bradford in 2025. It's pretty awesome experience just watching kids catch their first fish. So that was well worth the effort. And we partnered with the youth sports organization to help fund program scholarships there. And we created the Morgan's Miles to go Memorial bench, which we donated one to the elementary school which Morgan attended. And we have one here at home and we auctioned one off at the fall ball, which is now at the high-annice Marina. We're Morgan lived and worked for the years that she was on Kate Codd. It's beautiful to visit the Marina and see the bench. It's a little piece of us and of Morgan where she thrived and really became an adult. Marina has a long-term goal for the foundation that we are inching towards. Yes, it's just a goal at this point, maybe just a vision of maybe someday having our home in our property part of a retreat or something like that for families and like citizens like ourselves. Self-care retreat for families of missing or murdered children. We know that the need is there. Self-care is important. While I was going through everything in this case, the one word that just kept coming up to me was unfair. You know, how unfair it is that these two incredible dedicated parents have lost their only daughter in such a shocking and horrific way. How unfair it is that the investigation didn't answer every single one of their questions and that they've had to put in so much effort to find answers. How unfair it is that in my opinion, justice has not been served here. And how especially unfair it is that Morgan, who was such a kind, beautiful soul, who was diligent about planning for her future, who was careful and calculated, lost her life at such a young age. And it still just doesn't make any sense. And when so many unfair things happen to people, we want to understand the details to try and make sense of why this could have happened. But Morgan's loved ones weren't given that by the people who were responsible for finding answers. I could sit here and continue to list everything that is unfair about this case. And it would just go on and on and on. But like I've said, to this day, Steven Renee are committed to their daughter and they put it this way. I love this. They just want absolute truth and justice, which is why they could use support. And you guys have been incredible about supporting all the families that we have worked with over the years on this show. And so if you would like to give them some support, you can follow their Facebook page miles for Morgan or visit the miles to go website, both of which I'll have linked below in the show notes. That's where you can follow any progress that they've made to continue Morgan's fight. And they will give you updates when those come. You can also make a donation through the Morgan's miles to go website or a go fund me that I'll also link in the show notes. And before I go, I want you to hear from Steven Renee one last time as they talk about what they want people to take away from hearing Morgan's story. What happened to Morgan patent honestly could have happened to anyone. I'll never understand why her why us, but it couldn't have been anyone in that situation. And the way that the North Carolina authorities swept this under the rug and the way that the United States Marine Corps acted as though Morgan patent never existed is wrong. I wish there was a stronger word for it, but it's just wrong. That shouldn't happen to anyone. And you know, part of our goal, part of our personal mission is to try to make sure it never happens again. Morgan has a big deal. And she still is. Her story is not over. Morgan's story is not over. I really want to thank Steven Renee for taking the time to come on this show and tell Morgan's story for all the amazing work that they have put in to her case and getting justice over the years. And I know that it can be really overwhelming to come on a show like this to speak about the worst thing has ever happened to you. But they know how important it is. And I was just so impressed with the way that they were able to compose themselves and speak so gracefully in our interview clips. I have so much admiration and respect for the way that they have fought for their daughter. And this case, I have to say, was just so upsetting to learn about. It was just so it's so horrific. I'm sure you feel the same way after learning about it. But I'm at the end of the day just really grateful that I got the chance to get to know these two wonderful people a little bit. And I told them yesterday, I hope maybe one day in the future we can have the chance to have a conversation in person. I would love that. And I would love to. I know that they're going to, you know, keep going and I'm excited to. See where their work takes them because I know it's going to take them further. But that is going to be it for me. You guys, that is it for me for 2025. Crazy. I cannot believe that. Oh, I will be back in January of 2026, of course. For a little while before I have this baby. I don't know if I've mentioned it here. I think I have that it's a boy. Yeah, I have. But I'm very excited. I'm so excited going into 2026 for what that year is going to hold. Just sound so crazy. 2026. Here we go, guys. What is next? But yeah, I'll see you after my two week holiday break. Have a safe holiday season if you celebrate anything. And stay safe out there. That is going to be it for me today, guys. Thank you for joining me for another episode. And make sure you follow the show on Spotify and Apple Podcast. It really does help me out. If you want to watch the video version of this show, you can find it on my YouTube channel, which will be linked, or you can just search Kendall Ray. I will be back with another episode soon, but until then, stay safe out there.