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Well, tell the DBs what you said. Oh, God, that could be a million things. What did I say? You sat here and told me right before we hit record that you think you have aged this year. And what did I tell you? You said that you think L.A. has made me a crazy person and that my future is that I'm two steps away from getting something done that's going to make me look like a real housewife of Beverly Hills. I said, the only thing that is aged is your vanity, get out from L.A., and come back home to Alabama! That's what I'm for, is Gump. Baby, you have not aged. It's just L.A. has gotten to y'all. Joey needs help. S.O.S., dumb bitch. S.O.S. Alert the foghorn! Emergency! It's a gay emergency! Hello, everyone, and welcome to I Think Not, the podcast where we age impeccably and we cover your favorite true crime TV shows. My name is Ellen Marsh, and across from me is the very handsome, very young, very toned, very glowing, very hydrated Joey Taranto. And across from me is a liar, Ellen Murray Marsh. I love you. You're so sweet. How are you, babes? I am great. We're living in the future. Y'all, Joey's going on vacation. So, I don't know. It's like November or something. This is great. We're getting ahead. Our editors are so happy. I'm happy. I'm great. Everything's great and good. Traders starts tonight. So, if you want more of us, all you have to do is go to me. I don't care about traders. All you have to do is go to Patreon. And guess what's on Patreon? Our Discord. And guess what's on Discord? 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I believe VIP is all sold out, But that's okay because at the end of every show, we will hug, kiss, and take a picture with anyone who wants to. We'll have our tour merch there. It's going to be a great time. All you have to do is go to our Instagram, which is Ithinknotpod, and the link is in the bio. You can go right there and snag your tickets. We'll see you there. Yes, and for those of you who have been emailing and asking, we do have a mental breakdown clause in this ticket agreement. So, if anyone should happen to have a mental breakdown, you immediately get refunded and you get Joey's news. They're on Google, darling. Let's get to the episode. Season 1, Episode 12 of Unsolved Mysteries. Tonight, an unsolved mystery. In Los Angeles, 22-year-old Matthew Chase made a midnight trip to an automated teller machine. Matthew has not been seen since. The hidden back camera showed Matthew next to a mysterious figure. On Valentine's Day in 1986, a Houston housewife was murdered. Her husband was a suspect. Steadfastly maintains his innocence. His alibi is airtight. Prison. Dolores Valadez has no parents, no past. She wants to find the mother she never knew and answer a question that has haunted her entire life. Where is he? Well, our first story takes place in West Hollywood. It's June 8th, 1988, around 1145 p.m. And we hear that 22-year-old Matthew Chase is just getting home from dinner with his roommate Teresa when he remembers, oh, fuck, I didn't deposit my check. So many questions because you're getting home from dinner at 1145. That's a very late dinner. What is this, Ibiza? Yeah, somebody was doing cocaine. I didn't want to say it. I didn't want to say it because it's not a good story, but I know what I know, and someone was on cocaine. What are you, eating a steak at 9.15 p.m. Eastern? Listen, people think that cocaine curbs your appetite. It doesn't. It just makes you eat faster. So, yeah, a very late night dinner. Now, you may be asking yourself, what bank is open in West Hollywood at 11.45 at night? And the answer is none. But you know what the sweet angel baby Jesus gifted us with, Ellen? ATMs? Yes, the invention of the ATM where you can pull out some cash or shove a check right up the ass of that ATM so you can deposit it and get your funds tomorrow. I also love how roommate and best friend Teresa was like, oh, you've got to go do that now. I know the bank is only two blocks away, but it is late. Why don't you take my car? And Matthew was like, oh, my gosh, that's so sweet. She's like, uh-huh. And can you grab some cat food for me while you're out? Thank you so much. Now, here's what I was thinking is, okay, you forgot to deposit your check. But even if you deposit it in the morning, you deposit it at almost midnight. It's not going to go through the next day. So you may as well just go tomorrow. Because you know what I mean? Like, it's still not going to go in for another full business day. I could see that. But if he wanted it to, like, process early the next morning, I feel like going at night would be better. Because he's like, well, I'm not going to wake up when the bank opens at 8 o'clock. Yeah, but it still takes a business. I don't know. Who knows? I don't know what banking was like in 1988. What was banking like in 1958, Ellen? Well, gather on the cob, fire children. Back in the 50s, it was very easy to bank as a woman because we were not allowed credit cards. Okay? End of story. I had no autonomy, either financial or bodily. It was a time to be alive because my husband would just say, I'll take care of it. and I take care of it. He did not mean my clitoris children. No, no, he could not even find that with a GPS. No, he meant my finances. I have no idea what banking was like. Hey, what was I Think Not's episode like this week? A lot of bank talk. Okay, so anyway, Matthew is like, great, I'll take your car. I will grab the cat food. I'm going to go head to the ATM. Matthew Chase had known Teresa and her brother Steve since childhood. They all moved to Los Angeles from Medford, Oregon. Matthew was 22 and they were like, you know what? I want bright light city and something. And then something. And then something. Fever Los Angeles. That was the that was the B side version. They moved to L.A. They don't tell us why. Why would you move from Oregon to L.A.? Because Matthew was like a theater kid. He wanted to be an actor. And I think all of them were. Yeah, it's neither here nor there. But I gather that Matthew was gay. And then when we meet Teresa's brother, Stephen, and he started talking, I was like, oh, you gay too. So I think that there was like a situation where they're like, being gay in Oregon is not fun. But you know where it is fun? West Hollywood. I get it. Great. Honestly, it always comes back to gay people. So they lived there together. And Teresa Dahl is here. And she said, you know, ordinarily he would walk. But it was late. But I for sure thought he'd be home in about 10 or 15 minutes because it was just two blocks away. Well, sweet Matthew did not return that night. So, of course, Teresa and brother Steve are worried sick. And also we should note that they tell us that Matthew only had his bank card on him and he left his wallet at home. They don't really go into detail about that. I thought that was interesting. I think they said that because later they carried around his driver's license. Yes. And showed it to people. But why wouldn't you take your driver's license with you if you're driving? That is a question that the Clark Police Department asked me when I got a speeding ticket six months ago. And the answer was, I have ADHD, officer. Gotta. Yeah, I don't know. Did you get out that ticket? I did get the ticket. Yeah, I figured as much. Anyway, like you said, Matthew never came home. And he did make it to the ATM. But at this point, that's all they know. So the next morning, roommates Teresa and Steve call the police. And actually, they do another really smart thing. They call the bank. Now, we have learned that the 80s, it's not a lot of rules. It's kind of the wild, wild west. But banking and privacy rules still were there. And it's not like they could be like, hey, my name's Steve, and I need to know all about Matthew's transactions. No, that's not going to happen. So these two actually call and lie and say that they're Matthew because they want to know if he made it to the ATM or what his activity was. So he was like, hi, bank. My name is Matthew Chase because that is what I was named. And I would like to know information that you would only give to Matthew Chase. And that is me. So if you could tell me if I used my bank card last night, that would be great. sincerely, Matthew Chase. It did help that they had his driver's license because they were able to get access to his social security number. Which that doesn't make sense either. Your social security number is not on your driver's license. It used to be. It did? Yeah. If it's not anymore, it used to be. That's bananas. Hey, guys, I just wanted to bring something up to the group in Homeland Security. I feel like the number that gives people access to someone's identification Maybe we don't put that on a flimsy piece of paper that people leave on planes and trains and bars. Honey, the 80s were wild, and so were the 90s. They wanted to find out if he had used his bank card the night before. There have been transactions. Great. The bank said he had several times. Can you tell me what time they were made, what day? There had been transactions on Matthew's accounts since the previous night. There had been several of them and they get the dates and the times and they call the police back with that information. And that's when we meet Detective Scott Burkhart. And he's like, hey, we realized that this is something was up. And, you know, this may not be. And this is an actual quote. This may not turn out to be a good case, as we call them. What? What does that even mean? You guys, I know we call them good cases, but this is not one of them. What are you even talking about? I think he really got stuck. He's like, help. And they're like, point, click, save, print. Thank you for your time, officer. So they learned that Matthew did make it to the ATM that night only because the check was deposited. And in that same transaction, he deposited his check and withdrew a little money. Half an hour later, that same card was used at that same ATM. And that transaction was declined because they were asking for $280. and they were like, boy, you know you don't have that money in your account. But whoever was using that ATM tried it two more times. They were like, okay, how about $200? And the bank was like, computer says no. How about $100? No, computer says no. And that was rejected. Well, 11 minutes later, there was activity again using his ATM card at another bank and access was denied again. Now, this ATM had a camera and it captured several stills. They show us these stills. And then out of nowhere, we see a guy that is not Matthew in this image. It's this man appears like a fucking ghost. And then they tell us, oh, he was stocky and he was short. Girl, tall, short, thin, stocky, man, woman, they, them. No one should be close enough to you while you're at the ATM that they end up on camera with you. I don't care if it's your cousin. That was like some pre-COVID six feet apart shit. Everybody knows that you don't creep up on somebody at an ATM. That's kind of a universally adhered to rule. So the investigators looked at that and immediately thought to themselves, well, something is up. Why is that guy right at his shoulder? Yep. With that image, they're able to conclude that someone was most likely forcing Matthew to make those withdrawals or attempt to make those withdrawals. And then they were also speculating that maybe he was putting in these crazy amounts to signal for help. They don't know. Over the next day and a half, there were five more withdrawal attempts. By this time, Matt's paycheck had cleared. So $400 was paid out from his account. On the final attempt, the ATM ate the card. There was a freeze placed on the card and the ATM refused to give it back. It swallowed the card, which I didn't even know that that was a thing back then. Well, not in the episode. Do you know why that happened? No. because Teresa and Stephen posing as Matthew put a freeze on the card and said the card was lost or stolen. So that's why the bank was like, we'll keep that. I think they did say that on the episode. Oh, did they? Then why didn't you say it on our episode? I did say that there was a freeze placed on the card. You just didn't hear it. No, I heard it. Did they say that on the episode? Mm hmm. Should we fight about it? I could fight about anything. Honestly. Look at me. Yeah. I fought enough in my life. I don't want to fight no more. Life I had to fight. You told Harpo to beat me. I'll be dead if I'm gonna fight in my own house. Wait, didn't one of the withdrawals go through after a couple days for $400? The day after, I think so. I could be wrong. But yes. Eventually, the card ended up in the hands of investigators who tried to pull fingerprints from it. The card had been wiped or the perp was wearing gloves. There was nothing on there. And they didn't even say that Matthew's fingerprints were on that card. I think it was cleaned. Now, Matthew's parents came down from Oregon to help with the search. They hit the pavement like they were handing out missing person flyers. They were searching for the car that Matthew was driving. But after three days of this, they were super frustrated and horribly worried, especially Matthew's sweet mom. She's like, I saw things that I could not even repeat. And it made me scared. L.A. is a very different place than they make it out to be in the movies. It is terrifying. There's horrible things in Los Angeles. I saw a vagrant. And my husband saw a vagabond. Vagrants and vagabonds. The story of L.A. In all seriousness, this poor mother, she is just heartbroken. So obviously Matthew's parents are down from Oregon. Steve and sister Teresa are trying to do whatever they can. Ask questions, handing out flyers. And they come to some conclusion that maybe Matthew is walking around with amnesia. Amnesia. A lot of amnesia in the 80s. A lot of Satan. A lot of amnesia. How did they come to these conclusions? I know. Maybe he got hit in the head and he's walking around with amnesia. Didn't Jan have amnesia once on the Brady Bunch? But wasn't it like fake amnesia? Because that bitch was always stirring up drama. Wasn't it fake amnesia? I don't know. Okay. Carry on with the Boer Phil. Steve and Teresa distributed Matt's picture at a local rescue mission. I talked to several of the people there, and a couple of the volunteers that worked at the Midnight Mission said when I show them just his driver's license, because I'd run out of posters, said, oh, yes, we have seen him. They're like, wait a minute. We've actually seen him getting food here. He's tall and lanky, right? Teresa was like, yeah, that's him. She and Steve are excited because they're thinking, oh, fuck, we're getting close to finding him. What do you think that was about? First of all, no one should be held to the standard of their driver's license picture. Nobody looks good or like themselves in a driver's license picture. Not a celebrity, not a model, not if you have a, what do you call it, symmetrical face. I don't understand how anybody can identify anyone from a picture because that DMV camera is working against you at all times. I look like I'm being held hostage in my passport. I'm not kidding. I don't know what happened to me in my life. I don't believe it. It just seems like a little bit of false hope. Like, oh, yeah, maybe I saw that guy. Yeah. You know, they want it to be true. Wanting something to be true can make you believe anything. Was he a sort of sort of short sort of tall Yeah he was tall sort of sort of stocky sort of skinny Yeah skinny It doesn make sense Also don forget you all you have that driver license picture for potentially eight years So just, I don't know, extra moisturized. Last time I got pulled over, they looked at my driver's license and I was like, sorry, I had a rough 2017. I swear to God, every time I show someone my driver's license, they go, oh. I fell on some hard times, officer. Write the ticket. I didn't see the stop sign. 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Joey, guess who's back? Who? Skims. Now, I'm going to use this time to tell everybody that you need to stop stealing my Skims bras. Okay, I'm so sorry. I couldn't help myself. You all, let me just talk for a second on the Fitz Everybody t-shirt bra. Because let me tell you something that we have to deal with as women. Besides, you know, being women. We got to adjust our bras all day long. So uncomfortable. There's a wire here. There's a piece of lace there. And it's really hard to find an everyday bra. You know, the bra that you slept in, that you woke up in, that you spend all day in, that you are like, well, and I'm still wearing this bra. Yeah, that one. because you don't want it to be too bulky or too flimsy. So the Fits Everybody t-shirt bra, it's a game changer. I'll tell you, I love how size inclusive Skims is because they've got something for everybody. Every size, every color. My sister is a huge fan of the Fits Everybody t-shirt bra. I gifted her that bra and she lives in it. Also, don't sleep on their men's underwear. I know you're always talking about the support that your Grand Tetons get, But let me tell you, these nunchucks, they are lifted and they are comfortable. You heard it here. So shop my favorite bras and underwear at skims.com. After you place your order, be sure to let them know we sent you. Select podcast in the survey and be sure to select our show in the drop down menu that follows. And if you're looking for the perfect gift for your Valentine or for yourself, the Skims Valentine's shop is now open. I would imagine Bobby Lynn would buy the Valentine gift for herself. I love my green T-tones. So on June 27th, three weeks after Matthew's disappearance, the car that he was driving was found abandoned, not far from where he disappeared. The car was examined and processed and there was nothing, no blood, no fingerprints, not even his fingerprints. OK, so the inside of that car had been wiped down. Police did find one clue in the car, a blue bandana. This bandana did not belong to either Matt or Teresa, and investigators believe it may have been left by Matt's abductors. So I'm going to punch this in here because at the end of the episode, they show us the bandana in sort of an evidence picture, you know, when they catalog the picture. They don't mention this, but the bandana had initials on it. Did you see that in that final picture? Yeah, it's part of a gang. But they don't say that on the episode. No, no, no, no. Some side research. So the initials say ESPBSCLS. It could be a bunch of different gangs. What did you find? I didn't look too far into that. It just, it was affiliated with a gang. And then, you know, part of me also was like, I mean, that could have been planted there to throw people off. Yes, I want to go into that afterward because from the surveillance footage, this does not seem like a gang type of guy. And before you jump on any high horse, I mean, he just looked like an old, stocky, white banker dude. Italian guy. Yeah. ES stands for East Side. PBS possibly stands for Pueblo Bishops, Pueblo Bloods, Playboys, or Project Boys. And then the CLS can refer to a specific chapter or something. But it's definitely gang-related. I absolutely agree that that could have been planted evidence. But it's just interesting they didn't mention it in the episode. Well, Matthew's mother just pops in to say how heartbroken she is and that, you know, she keeps hope that he is alive, as well as best friend and roommate, Teresa. And then we get an update that almost a year later, Matthew's remains were positively identified. His body was found three months after his disappearance in a ravine in Pasadena. He had been shot. It took the coroner's office a really long time to identify the body because they couldn't get a hold of dental records. On that, he was found September 17th. He was not identified until March 29th. Yeah. That is torturous for that poor family. Yeah. So they know that this is a homicide, and the man in that photograph at the ATM is wanted. And then we get an update to the update. Right. Well, they believe that they found Matt's killer. And you all, that was in 2018. So here is the information. The alleged murderer was named David Meza, and he was allegedly associated with the gang, and they believe that he died about 48 hours after Matt's disappearance. I looked this up. He was killed in a drive-by shooting. So they're trying to corroborate this story, and apparently they sat down with David Meza's girlfriend who positively identified him as the man in those bank pictures. I don't know. I appreciate them opening this cold case and this going all the way back to 2018. And if you look up the case, it says something I've never seen before. It says, quote, cleared. Yeah. What are you thinking? First, I thought, what reason would this woman have to lie all these years later? It doesn't make sense to me. There were rumors that this guy owed people money. That's why he was so desperate. and that's probably why he had Matthew trying to get money at the ATM. And if Matthew was shot and killed, it wouldn't surprise me if he was held, obviously, at gunpoint at the ATM, which is something out of a movie. It's conspicuous as well. I mean, ATMs are usually well lit. It was midnight. It wasn't 3 a.m. I don't know. It does seem like an act of desperation because a lot of times people will just be like, hey, give me your money. Oh, the ATM doesn't work and run off. for him to actually travel from place to place with essentially a hostage. Yeah. He basically kidnapped him and took him to different ATMs. There's more to the story that we'll never get. Also, what was a gang member doing in West Hollywood? He looked like an old white guy. Yeah, who knows? He's like, listen, me, Phil, and Carl, we have the Grandpappy's gang. And we sing Barbershop Quartet. and we go around to all the children's homes and on Easter we do an Easter egg hunt. I don't know. It seems weird. I also am confused by the cleared thing. I don't feel like they would just do it just to give a family closure. It just doesn't really make sense to me. I'd be curious how they put the two together. Like, how did they connect David Meza to this? Well, I guess the girlfriend, right? David Meza's girlfriend popped in and she's like, no, that's him. That's him. Like, what reason would she have to lie? Yeah, something else of note that I found was that in 1990, Frank and Susan sued Wells Fargo for their poor security and negligence because the camera apparently wasn't working or something. So that was like negligence. But the outcome of that lawsuit is not published, which makes me think that they settled. They settled for sure. The other thing I was thinking is if there was a reward involved, that would be impetus for someone like the girlfriend to come forward and be like, yeah, I can positively identify. Oh, yeah. She must have shown up with pictures of David, right? And been like, no, look for yourself. Here's a picture of David. Here's a picture. You know what I mean? Compare. Simpler time back then. No AI. No AI. So we're going to move on to our next story, and that takes place on Valentine's Day in 1986. At around 10.06 a.m., a woman named Marilu Jerry was found dead in... Marilu. Oh, Marilu. Listen, you got the case in my heart, Marilu. Is that a real thing? Her name's Marilu. What'd I say? Marilu. It's like I'm saying Mar-a-Lago. Yeah, which really rolls off your tongue quite frequently. So I totally get it. Where are you going on your vacation, Joseph? Mar-a-la-go. So Mary Lou Jerry, okay, not Mar-a-do, sadly, okay, in all seriousness, was found shot dead in her home. And when she got to the hospital, she had been declared dead. But Mary Lou's family believed that this was her husband Stephen Jerry's doing. And the husband, Stephen, is like, I have a minute by minute alibi for this entire morning. And when I tell you that Robert Stack told us this in 15 seconds or less. Buckle up. So on this day, we see reenactment Stephen calling Mary Lou's mother, Maria Serato. He's at a payphone and he's like, hey, mom, Mary Lou is prepping for a party. Gee whiz, I feel like she really could use your help. If you could head over there to help my beloved wife, I'd greatly appreciate it. And Maria was like, okay, why are you calling me? But all right. Maria calls her daughter and she's letting that phone ring. There's no answer. And Maria's thinking, that's really weird. Why wouldn't she answer the phone if she needs help and she's busy? So she's like, fuck it. I'll just get in my car and I'll go over there. She gets to the house, knocks on the door. There's no answer. Nothing looks out of place. There's nothing that is alarming until she gets to the front door. I'm assuming she went to the back kitchen door. Goes to the front door, knocks on it, no answer. And the front door is unlocked. So she let herself in. Maria is like, you don't understand. My daughter was very careful. There's no world where she was leaving that front door unlocked. There are two things I know about Mary Lou. Number one, she has gorgeous complexion. You have never seen a complexion like my Mary Lou. She looks like the dewdrops hit her face. And number two, she always lock at the door. I love Mama Maria. Mama Maria does not stand for shit. She is a queen, DB. Just wait. And I love her accent. And that's the thing. When I hear an accent, I have to repeat it back. I can't help it. Oh, I'm lovingly repeating it back. Daisy does the funniest accent of her neighbor. And she always goes, Every time she hears about Daisy doing anything, she goes, Daisy, you're going to be embarrassing. Well, that's OK. Finish this sentence. Daisy, you are going to be embarrassing. I said you do the best accents. We have this mama bear Hispanic mother. So beautiful. I love you so much. Do you want a potato chip? I love you. Well, that is Mama Maria here. So Maria lets herself in. She's searching everywhere for Mary Lou. Where are you? I thought something is wrong. So I walked to the back of the house. Maria searched systematically. She found Mary Lou lying on the floor. And she said, when I looked at her, I was kissing her face, but I knew she was dead. She looked dead. Yeah. So, of course, this poor dombitch mother is panicked. She calls authorities. She calls paramedics. And they were there at 1030 and they tried to revive sweet Mary Lou, but it was too late. She unfortunately was deceased. And then they say something really confusing. They say that they did a procedure to try and revive her. and whatever that procedure was prevented them from finding out her exact time of death? But if they arrived and she was deceased and then they were trying to bring her back and maybe they got a, who knows? I have no idea because I am not an EMT. What part of any kind of life-saving efforts would be like, and now we can't get the time of death? I don't know. What's the things, you know, a defibrillator? I have no idea. All right, smart DBs, please tell us. No, they used, there was something that they used that sounded familiar. Ephedrine? Ephedrine? What is it? Epipendrine? It starts with an E. I don't know, but she rolled your R's like that. I was very confused. Ephedrine? That just felt weird to me. So it turns out that Mary Lou had been shot four times with two different guns. Weird. And neither of those guns were found in the home, and there was no sign of forced entry. Actually, it occurs to me that if Stephen did do this, maybe he shot her with two different guns to cause confusion, to make it look like maybe there were two perps in the house. It worked! It was a .380 and a .22, but there were no guns found at the crime scene. Well, there were guns in the home, but they weren't guns used in the crime. Correct. Thank you. I stand corrected, Ellen. What you lack in homosexuality, you make up for in, actually, homosexuality. You did miss my clue quote, though. What did you say? It worked to create confusion. It worked. It worked. Okay. So the question is, was this a robbery gone wrong? Because Mary Lou's Jerry. Finish that sentence. Jerry case. Which in Louisiana is how we say jewelry. Where's her Jerry case? God. Okay, let me get it together. I'm sorry, y'all. I know. We want to tell the story, okay? Mary Lou's jewelry case was open. She had things laid out like she'd been selecting what she was going to wear for the day. But the thing is, is none of it was missing. So Mama Maria is like, no, I don't believe that this was a robbery gone wrong. Now, husband Stephen, he's got a different story. Let me just say the way that they showed the jewelry. Now, they did not show us the crime scene pictures. So I don't know if this is properly restaged. It didn't look like anyone had gone through jewelry. It looked like someone was setting it up for an eBay photo shoot. Absolutely. Like someone was like, I'm going to sell my jewelry. Let me take a picture of it. Truly, when homes are burglarized, they throw everything. I know my parents' home was burglarized. What do they call that? Being rampsacked. Thank you. My parents' home was burglarized before I was born. And the one thing I remember my parents telling me is that they trashed the place. Yeah. And they took everything. They took stacks of change. If the home is being burglarized, why are you leaving behind anything and leaving everything pristinely laid out? It just doesn't track for me. No, it doesn't make any sense. Mary Lou's husband disagrees. Well, there was many things taken. Fur coats are other valuables. The gross value was about $25,000 to $30,000, maybe $40,000 worth of jewelry. $40,000, $42,000. What was the final total I not exaggerating He literally maybe 40 worth of jewelry fur coats and other things They were, they were stolen. And Mama Maria is like, uh, how you say, como se dice, that is bullshit. You just did Spanish, Italian and French in one sentence. I'm not mad. I'm impressed. Thank you. Did you all hear that? You said, como se dice, which is Italian. You started in Spanish and then you were like, a bullshit. The dining room proudly brings the house. You're bullshit. How did you manage to do that? Quite impressive, actually. Joey, guess what? Quince is back. As I've told you guys before, I have tons of staples from Quince. 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And there is really great Eastern exposure in the morning over here. And marble countertops. Yeah. He has no emotion, but somehow works in smarminess. Everything he says strikes me as odd. Mm-hmm. He's basically painting this picture that his marriage with Mary Lou was beautiful and everything was great. And Marie is like, that is bullshit. Let me tell you something. Uh-huh. There is one thing that I know about my daughter. Say. What, what, what accent was that? And that is, she was not happy. No. She cried all the time. You all, you have to watch this section of the episode just to watch Mama Maria. She has a bullshit meter and it just keeps spiking. She's like, no, they weren't happy. My daughter was not doing well. She basically says this marriage was very toxic. And Stephen comes back in to be like, he did everything short of going, sometimes the sun goes round the moon. Like, it was ridiculous. But he's like, she brought out the best in me. And also, I would like to bring out this room that could be an office or a nursery. This room leads to a large dick for dining. Did you say dick? Deck. Sorry. For dining. For outdoor entertainment. Anyway, so they looked at Stephen's guns and determined that none of them had been used in the shooting. I'm not talking about those guns, Ellen. Ellen's showing me her bicep. You guys want tickets to the gun show? Oh, God. That's how douchey this guy is. I'm not kidding. He's very slimy. And Stephen has come prepared with a full account of his morning. And I mean full account. Smoke them if you got them. I woke up at about five that morning. I went upstairs and worked on the computer. I had an extremely busy day. There were some things that I had to finish up. Mary Lou was still in bed. Told her that I would call her at seven. I know that the security system is on when I left the house at about 625, 630. I went down to 7-Eleven and got another cup of coffee. I left there and went to the post office, picked up our mail for the day. From there, I went to a donut shop and picked up donuts. Good morning. Yeah, I'd like... Then I went to Precision Glass, Don Richardson's company, and talked with them for a moment. I started to leave, realized that I had forgotten to call Mary. I went back in at the reception desk and called her at almost 7.30. She was up. She said she was busy, busy, busy. So I told her goodbye. And then Robert Stack says, and when he got to work, he was surrounded by witnesses. What do you think of the strategically placed and recounted alibi, Joseph Allen Liguamo Taranto? I don't know who that is, but in the words of Maria, this is bullshit. This is bullshit. All of this is bullshit. This feels like a very carefully curated morning. And what's so funny is, is that when his co-workers were interviewed or his colleagues or friends or whatever, they're like, yeah, he didn't usually leave his house till like 9 a.m. or 10 a.m. So for him to leave at 630 a.m. is wild. And so Mama Maria, being the dumb bitch she is, she's like, do you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to hire a private investigator. Yes. Enter Bill Elliott, another dumb bitch. And Bill Elliott's like, I looked at his alibi. All right, let's take off the table that everyone said. He usually strolled out of his house at about nine or ten. And then he said, also, I went and verified those times. And the 7-Eleven guy said he was there closer to seven. Also, what is this guy? A professional errand runner? What are you doing running so many goddamn errands in the morning when apparently you are not an early bird who catches any worm? And all of a sudden on this day, you had to boot scoot and boogie out of the house before the sun rose. It's very strange. I mean, but the truth is, if he says he left his house at 630 a.m., that 7-Eleven is five minutes away from his house. Right. But he didn't get there till about 657 a.m. 27 minutes is plenty of time to get rid of evidence. All right. Could I have a reason? The curious thing is Mr. G. Rye had not only gone to these places that morning, but the following day, he went back and reminded these people that he had been there the day before, which is something that I found unusual. And every time he would walk in and all of them, all of these employees of these different businesses told the PD that he came in. He's like, hey, hey, guys, it's me, Stefan. Remember me, Stefan? I was here yesterday. Yesterday morning, I was wearing the double breasted suit with the rolled up sleeves, sort of like this one. Steve Hahn. Steve Hahn. You remember I was here at approximately 6.35 a.m.? You remember it, don't you? Gladys, you're looking great from when I saw you yesterday. Because yesterday I was here, and yesterday I said, how gorgeous is Gladys? Mind you, that on its own, psychotic. That the day after your wife is brutally murdered? It's odd. Hey, how are you, Carl? Good to see you. The wife, deceased. No, it's really crazy. But I was here yesterday, remember? That is psychotic behavior. I'm sorry. That is nobody who is grieving. No. I wouldn't even do that if somebody I knew through a friend of a friend of a friend had died. Who does that? Well, the point also about speaking of time of death earlier is that we don't have that. We don't, they don't know what the time of death is. So they don't know if Stephen did it, if she was murdered in the morning. They have no idea. It essentially helps his story. It corroborates his story because there is no time of death. I'll tell you what I think happened at the end. But that definitely works in his favor. Yeah. Well, you know, what doesn't work in his favor is the fact that two years prior, Stephen took out life insurance policies for him and for his wife, both worth around $435,000. Okay, so I don't think that's that crazy. I think there are far crazier things. I mean, they got married three years ago. They get all their life in order. And, you know, before you know it, it takes a year to get life insurance. I don't think two years prior is an exorbitant amount of life insurance. And they had the same amount of life insurance. That sounds to me like a couple just doing coupley things. I don't know. It makes me nervous. That's the thing. If you take out a life insurance policy and we're married, I'm going to assume you're going to try to kill me. What about? Don't do it. What about podcast partners? I mean, but that is who is supposed to have life insurance, Joey. You are supposed to have life insurance that if something happens to you, your partner can live on without your income and take care of their responsibilities. That is what life insurance is. Life insurance at his core is not crazy. I have life insurance. Well, what does not help is that investigators were able to determine that Stephen had judgments against him for up to $120,000. So there's a motive. This is suspicious for sure. But they didn't tell us what those judgments were. I'm like, who does he owe money to? I have some information at the end. Ten months after the murder, Stephen filed to collect the $435,000. Outraged, Mary Lou's parents went to court to prevent him from collecting the money. Mary Lou's parents were like, Are you crazy or are you stupid? Okay? I am all over the place with accents, too. Well, Papa Miguel is here, Mary Lou's dad. And he said, well, he's not entitled to that money because we think he's involved. So why would we agree to hand over our daughter's life insurance to who we think is the murderer? Now, Stephen thinks that Mary Lou's parents are up to no good. Why? I'll let Stephen tell you. Well, there's two things that make the world go round, and that's sex and money. And it definitely wasn't sex, was it? That is one of the most disgusting things I have ever heard. You are as disgusting as the floor of a bathroom of a Dollar General. What is happening? Also, in what world would grieving parents put themselves through the re-traumatization in order to get money? I don't think her parents were out for her life insurance. I think they did not want Stephen to have it. There is a difference because you can't change benefactors on life insurance. You can't just be like, no, I'd like that now. I think their whole intention was to make sure that he didn't receive that money. Yeah, I agree. So his little limerick about the sex and money and shit, just that doesn't make any sense then. Yeah, well, before it could even go to trial, they settled out of court with each side saying the other side wanted the settlement. My attorney came and got me and said that Serratos had made an offer to settle the case. And then let's hear what the Serratos have to say about that. You can imagine that we... We didn't. They did. We didn't have a reason to. Why do we wanted to do that? Yeah, so somebody's lying. And the problem is that the documents were sealed by the judge for two years. So at the time that this episode aired, they didn't know. But after Mary Lou was buried, her tombstone was smeared with mud and then eventually stolen. And I was like, why would someone want to do that? Yeah. Why does anybody do that? But her parents were like, actually, you know what? This is a great opportunity to replace her headstone and take that married scumbag's licker's name off of our daughter's headstone and lay her to rest as Mary Lou Serrato. And that's what they did. Yeah. Well, Stephen comes back to Double Down saying that his wife was the love of his life and they had a great marriage. I did not kill my wife. I didn't. What I didn't do is kill my wife because my wife was a good, a great wife. We had a good life and a great wife, and I didn't kill her. It was great. It was good. It was good. It was good life, and I loved her. She meant everything to me. And if there's anything that I love more than my wife, it is a walk-in pantry. And if you guys just want to walk over this way. Yeah, as of now, investigators are focused on finding the murder weapons. Do you have any updates on this? Well, a handful of years ago, Stephen was indicted for felony theft. Wow. For lying on a loan with the Houston Savings Association. And the loan was for $200,000. So he supplied false information and was indicted for that. Also, recently, like 10 years ago, he had a fake slip and fall lawsuit to Starbucks. and he lives with his wife, Karen, somewhere. But this man is just, he's like a bad con man. Do you think he did it? Absolutely. I don't think he did it. I think he hired someone to do it. I think he hired someone to do it. And he's like, do-do-do, gonna go run errands now. Here's the key, do the front door. I think he absolutely had a hand in it. It also is very possible that he shot her in the morning and left, But there weren't any signs of a struggle. However, she was shot from behind. She was shot in the back of the head. So maybe he came upon her and was surprised. My gut is that he hired somebody, but he is, I would go to Vegas on he is involved. He's absolutely involved. This was not a robbery gone wrong. What do you think? I think exactly the same thing. Allegedly, because we don't want to be sued. And just so you all know, this is very strange in cases that we cover on here. But there is still an open reward for information leading to the identification of Mary Lou's killer. The Houston Police Department Homicide Division has a phone number to call 713-308-3600. And that is legitimate. I just checked it today. Wow. Yeah. Well, our final story of the day is about a woman named Dolores Valadez, who is here. And she essentially has no record of her life. And I mean, no family history. She doesn't know how old she is. She doesn't have a birth certificate. Why? Well, she was raised by a woman who she called her stepmother. More on that later. And this woman's name was Maria, who claims that she found Dolores as a baby abandoned on a front porch in a suitcase with nothing but a black kitten. And I was like, that's a lot for a kid to process. A couple of questions. Where is the kitten? Yep. Number two, we told my brother that all the time. We told them that he was left on our doorstep in a basket. I was like, this actually happens? Well, here's the thing. Stepmom Maria died and took the truth with her because Maria's family won't disclose what they know. Bless her heart. She can't get a passport. Yeah, you can't do anything without a birth certificate. And Dolores sort of says to us that she kind of accepted the story for a while. And then after some time passed, she's like, does this story sound weird to anyone else? A suitcase, a kitten, anybody have anything? Yeah. It just feels, doesn't feel real. Yep. Well, Dolores, for what she has sort of gathered, thinks she was born in 1947 in San Bernardino, California. She knows she's of Hispanic descent. And this area of California had a very big Mexican-American population. And Maria, her, quote, stepmother, was a midwife and a healer that they say used potent herbs and ointments. Now, do you know what they would call someone like that? A brujaria. Oh. I mean, that's like what it is. It's like kind of Maria from Orange is the New Black calls herself a brujaria. Like but my grandmother would even say that like which is I mean brujaria Italian But yeah like what what the word not a witch doctor a um what that kind of a healer there a word for an italian i can think of it strega go on well but that would make sense because they tell us that maria was beloved and respected but also feared in the community like you yeah because i love you i respect you But I'm a little terrified of you too. As you should be. So what we learn of Maria is that she couldn't have kids of her own. So she adopted two, Mingo and Vicky. But she never adopted Dolores for some reason after she found her. And although Mingo and Vicky were told who their natural parents were, Dolores' background was left a mystery, a topic to be avoided. I never felt like Maria really wanted me. I never really felt accepted by her. I felt a lot of resentment. And Dolores said, you know, I didn't really press it because quite frankly, Maria scared me. And she constantly would remind me that I wasn't actually part of the family. You know what? Fucking just choke. To say that to a child, that is so wrong. It's really hard. And we don't know the ins and outs of that home life, what was going on. But yeah, everybody deserves to know where they come from. And the thing is, is that Maria died when Dolores was in fourth grade, which again, left her with no answers. And then Dolores was placed in the foster care system. So she bounced around. But by 1963, she had finished high school. She became a flight attendant and she got married. She's stunning. Beautiful. Oh, my gosh. The picture of her high school graduation. Truly a stunner. Yeah. Well, by 1970, she'd started her own family. She had a daughter and she's like, you know, I need to figure out where I come from. And the thing is, is that if you're signing up for health insurance, they won't take an old suitcase as a form of identification. Turns out, you know, whenever I think about my past, I actually wish I did not know my dad. So it's like the reverse of Dolores. This took a turn. That got dark. That got dark real fast. Should we meditate? Yeah. Yeah, let's do that. All right. Could you play some calming music? Take a deep breath in. Oh, God. In with hatred. Out with hatred. Oh, God. Because that's what we're doing. Fuck that guy. Fuck him. Namaste. Do you feel better? Dolores decided she had to know the truth about her own birth. Starting at the San Bernardino Hall of Records, she pursued a paper trail that she hoped would lead to the identity of her parents. This sweet woman, she's just trying to piece her life together. There's no record of her birth. And she thought to herself, oh, you know what? I was baptized. Maybe the church has receipts. And honey, you know the church has receipts. They love to hold that shit over your head. They're like, oh, yeah, we have that information. And all of your back tithing, too. Well, it turns out that Dolores had been baptized in a church five miles outside of San Bernardino. And this record included the name of her godparents. And the names were Rodolfo Menjieres and Rufina Rodriguez. Dolores was like, beautiful names. Never heard them in my life. And the woman who worked at the church, Teresa, was like, you know, I've seen this before. where the godparents are really the parents. I was like, Teresa, have you been sipping on Jesus' cough syrup over there? No, because sometimes they're... Sometimes the godparents, you don't know when to admit that they're the parents. It's just a whole wedlock thing. It's just... I was like, okay, I'm going to stop because this conversation is getting a little uncomfortable and I think you're a little wine buzzed. Okay, you have fun. If you want to come back, I got more stories about unwed couples blowing each other's backs out. God bless. God bless. No, no, no, just... Anyway, come back and see me soon. And also with you. Have a nice day. And also with you. God is good. What? God is good. Okay. No, you're supposed to repeat it back. God is good. You should say that all the time. And all the time. Did you say it twice? Is it hot in there? God is good. Okay. Why did we make a drunk church member who's holding the records just getting day drunk in the fucking basement of a church? Father Roberts, I didn't mean to talk to you about this holy wine. It's just, can we do a rosé? Just like in the summer, can we do a rosé? Chilled? i'm gonna lead praise and worship here we go six seven eight rolling with the homies god bless i don't know what you're saying when you're doing that the nami kumstam tap tap tap you could be saying anything and we don't know and i think it's time to stop pass me the crackers Also, Teresa from the church also has a mullet. I just, I wanted to say that. The 80s are like, symmetries for the birds. Dolores had one other clue to her past. Maria had told her that as an infant, Dolores had been hospitalized for diphtheria. Did you look up what that is? It's some kind of thing that, I mean, they have a vaccination for it now, so they don't, kids don't get it. Right. So it's the whooping cough, but it's the German whooping cough. You're making that up. And I don't like you. So, yeah, it's the German whooping cough for babies. So when they cough, they just go, they just go. And they're like, oh, that coughing sounds like German. But yeah, so she was hospitalized. And on the admission form, there was a name, Esther Valdez, which was listed as her mother. But Esther is also listed as deceased. There's no record of her death. It's very confusing. This woman is like in a wormhole. Yeah, I feel so bad. And like I have been told when I briefly went on a search for my dad, it's easier to tell if someone is dead than alive because death records, real, real clear. Yeah. So this is just adding more to her confusion. And on those same forms at the hospital, it said that Maria was Dolores's aunt. Also, her birthday was listed as September 17th, 1947. Not when she celebrated her birthday. Also a Virgo. Now, remember Maria was a midwife and Dolores recalls hearing family grumblings or family rumors that Maria had kept a baby that she delivered and it belonged to a family friend. Dolores is a dumb bitch. She's not stopping you all. Now some white lady named Terry decides to come in and educate us on what she has learned about Mexican culture. And I'm like, this is coming from Terry. Write your emails to Terry about your complaints because this is, I don't know, please some, do we have any Mexican DVs who can speak up about this? Because this sounds nuts to me. Several times we have run into cases wherein Mexican families who have had large numbers of children have given a baby, one of their children away, one of their newborns away to one of the other family members who've been childless. Yeah, I don't know if this is a legitimate thing or if I should be completely offended or both. I feel offended. I'm going to feel offended until someone tells me not to. Growing up in California, we have a lot of Mexican culture in California. and I'm not the expert. I think, Terry, just a little bit racist. Okay. All right. Well, we'll go with that. Racist Terry. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to be wrong. Well, going back to what you said, that Dolores heard a rumor that her stepmother, Maria, had decided to keep a baby that she helped deliver. Well, this was a family friend in the neighborhood. And did they tell us on the episode that this family friend at one time lived with Maria? Or did you find that out in your side research? No, they said that in the episode. Because I remember thinking, What do you mean lived with them? Got it. Well, Dolores found this woman and spoke with her. And this woman, not a down bitch. This friend of the family, who they never name, was like, no, good luck with your project. I'm not your mom, but thanks for stopping by. And Dolores was like, really? Because is that your daughter? I look just like her. Do you see the resemblance? And she's like, no, sorry. And down bitch sister Vicky. Now, this was the girl that Dolores grew up with who was actually legally adopted by Maria. She's like, listen, my sister's not asking for anything. She's not asking to be put in anyone's will. She's not asking for a yearly birthday card. She literally wants to know what her birthday is and where she comes from. I love the passion that sister Vicky has for Dolores. Me too. I also think Vicky did a little cocaine before she did this interview. so Dolores at this point has three names that could potentially be her mother there's Esther from the hospital records there's Rufina Rodriguez who was on her baptismal record and then this family friend but Dolores is like you know many years ago my brother Mingo told me that he knew the truth about where I came from and all of that I think he knows now I personally think that Mingo was a kid who was just fucking with her I agree but when Dolores goes back to Mingo, he's like, I don't remember doing that. She's like, no, you did it alive. You said you knew who my family was and you weren't going to tell me. He's like, nah, I didn't do that. I was like, Mingo, apologize. So you don't know anything at all? Sometimes I get the feeling that he's still afraid of Maria, even in her grave. And there really isn't anything to be afraid of. People don't come back from the dead. She's like, bitch is dead, Mingo. like, give me some answers here. But that's very interesting to me, you know? So Dolores basically is like, somebody's got to know. Somebody's got to know. I've gone in and out of depression. I've been sad. I've been, you know, I'm just trying to piece my life together. And this poor woman, yes, she deserves, she deserves to know where she comes from. Yeah. As of today, all these years later, it doesn't seem like Dolores ever found that story. I think that's deeply cruel. I understand there are family secrets and things that come about, but keeping somebody's past, it's so singular. Where you're from, who you're related to. Yeah, I think about Black Americans in this country, and so many people can't trace back their ancestors because they don't know. Yeah, a lot of people who came over from Europe through Ellis Island. Yeah, I mean, it's just anybody who came from anywhere else, and their heritage, their names are changed without asking. It's just, It's very cruel. And I'm sure Dolores led a very happy and fulfilling life. And, you know, she was a beautiful woman, had a family and everything. But there's just always that part of me. Do I have siblings out there? Yeah. Do I have anybody that if I ever needed a kidney, I could send a DM to? Yeah. It's absolutely awful. My friend Marcia Chatelain, she and I talk about this a lot because her dad was very much like my dad and kind of really not trustworthy. And she found out she had siblings. Wow. Imagine being like, I have a brother somewhere. Yeah, it's just it's a kind of just a kind of emotional torture. I felt so bad for the woman and I could not find any updates. The latest thing I found was up to 2017 and it hadn't been solved yet. So say something funny. Well, you know, I think Drunk Teresa, I think she should be given the pulpit more. I think she'd be able to get up and lead us in song, you know. Oh, OK. That could be you guys. God, Merry Christmas and hallelujah. I've got things on my spirit Teresa it's June It's June Teresa I just want to lead us all In a worship song that I think The holy spirit The holy spirit will like Okay ready Can you play on the organ This is from the bible As I walk through the valley Of the shadow of death I sing holy from the light and there's nothing left because I've been learning and ranting so long that even my pastor thinks my mind is gone. That's cool. That's not from the Bible. We've been spending most of our lives to paradise and also with you. And also with you. All right now, bitches. That's enough nonsense for today. Thank you so much for being here. Don't forget tomorrow, part two of Jodi Hildebrandt, evil influencer, evil cunt, drops on Patreon. Head over to patreon.com slash I think not. Also, don't forget to follow us on social media. Raleigh TV, are you coming to see us? I sure hope so. And follow us on social media. You can find us on all platforms at I think not pod, as well as our Facebook group, which is called the I think not podcast Facebook discussion group. Keep up to date with all of our announcements. But yeah, that's it. Thank you all for being here. We love you so much, baby girl. We love you so much. And I love you, Joey. I like you too, Marilla, Marmar. I love you now, bitches. Bye. Do you know what I was just doing? Since you mentioned Forrest Gump. Boy, your mama sure does care about your education. Here's the thing. This is neither here nor there. I love it when you glitch. The wheels are spinning. Go. Give it to me, guys. I've got nothing to say other than you're a terrible person. I'm going to double check this. I'm pretty sure. By the way, your callback for Spaceballs in the Patreon episode last week was effing brilliant. I actually laughed out loud when I heard it. What was it again? The 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Oh, fun. And he's like, oh, that's the coat to my luggage. Two. Three. 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