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Book now at Ascot.com. Dish from Waitrose is a cold glass production. This podcast may contain some strong language and adult themes. Hello and welcome to Dish from Waitrose. I'm Nick Grimshaw. And I'm Angela Hartnett. And we are here for an episode of Dish with a wonderful guest today. Someone you know very well. Yes, wonderful Nile. Have you ever met Nile? Never met Nile. Oh you're going to like Nile. Oh good. I think you're going to like him. He is really nice guy. Real fun to know with. He has a brand new single called Dinner Party. And an album called Dinner Party. Perfect. What more do we want? Someone with a food related album. Who takes all our boxes. A real good laugh. He sent me a voice note. When he said he was coming on Dish. Half of it was him doing an impression of me. I'm coming on Dish. I was like that's not how I talk. Thank you Nile. But yeah, he's great. He's really fun and you'll really like him. So a lot to talk to Nile about today because an incredible career really when you think about it truly. How old is he? Early 30s, no? Early 30s and they were made famous at like 16. But yeah, I said to him, I said, I think you're going to have a really nice time on Dish. I think you guys will really get on. I think Nile and you are at your optimum personality in the pub. I just think you are both great people to go to the pub with. I've hung out with him at Glastonbury. I've hung out with you at Glastonbury. I just think it's going to be a fun one. It's going to work. It's going to work. I don't think there's going to be awkward silence. This is all I was going to say with the air of YouTube. We never have that. But should we get on with this? I think it's going to be a lot of fun. Let's do it. So let's get Nile in. Hello, hello. Hello. Hello Nick. Welcome. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Lovely to meet you. I've really had you two meet in. Yeah. I really like it. I really like it. We're a good match. Great match. How are you? You okay? I'm good. I'm good. Look at this for an audience. I know. To watch three people eat food. Yeah. They love it. We're going to meet you at Pie. You are? Yes. We've made you one. We've made you one. It's in there. But yeah, come on. Sit down. Okay. We're going to meet you at Fucktuffer. I love a pie. I think you're going to make a pie allegedly. Am I? Apparently. Oh, geez. I'm nervous. Get rid of that. No, come on. In such prestige. Okay. So should we welcome our guest? Yes. Let's do this. Please welcome a singer, songwriter who sold millions of records in the world. But did you know that his first time on stage was playing the role of Oliver? Oh, wow. I did not know that. Hopefully asking you for more, please. Our honourables for now. Hello, everybody. Hi. Well, hi. Hello. Hi. Thanks for having me. Oh, thank you for coming. This is fun, isn't it? Very fun. Yeah. A whole audience to watch you eat your dinner. I know. It's quite the a quite the proof. I feel self-conscious about it. Oh, no. There's no one over there. No. This is normal. Yeah, we're good. Yeah. Big fans love the podcast. Oh, thank you. Is it called a podcast? Well, we got sold a podcast and now it's filmed. There's an audience. Six Saturday Night Takeaway. You could win a car. I could win a lasagna or a simmer on dish or something. But no, we were so happy you were coming on. Thank you. I've been saying to Anja, I've really feel like, and I've been saying to Naila as well, I feel like you two will get on. Excellent. I think you're both great fans. On that note, I think my oven is in the shop. Oh, no. Just. Oh, that's it. No, no. I think it's too high. It is too high. The pie is too high. See, that's just genius, isn't it? Just like, you know, she sense that she's just like, I'm presenting a show here, but also the pie is a bit hot. Also, I just know it's on like 250. Oh, Jesus. Exactly. You know yourself is wrong. So, too high. Too high. But we're welcoming you with a Negroni. A Dough. A pomegranate Negroni. So, cheers, Naila. Cheers. Cheers. Thanks for having me. Cheers. Cheers. This is lovely. Cheers. We love it, little. Where are we going after? Oh, crikey. That is punchy. Wow, you know. That is strong. Grimmy. That's the recipe. That was the recipe. I love one smell. You're like, where are we going? Where are we going after? So, how is life for you, Naila? I've not seen you for a long time. I can't remember the last time I saw you. We were drunk at an Italian concert. We were drunk at a D'Alcon. We broke out. Yeah. He's got a bit of a mad cousin. Have you met cousin Liv? I've met Nils. Nils. I've met Liv, yeah. So, we had a few drinks at the D'Alcon to here in Vegas. No, it was in Hyde Park. She did the British summertime thing. Yeah. That was fun. We had a few beers that night. A few beers. But yeah. I obviously love seeing you. Yeah, we always do. We obviously, just the first time we've done it, sober and a while to be fair. True, actually. We always seem to cross paths at a good time. Glastonbury. Yeah. Have a great time at Glastonbury. I always feel you too, the people after you, when you've done awards or you went to things like the Brits and stuff. Did the radio the next day? You two would be in the same state. Yeah. That's happened a few times. Yeah. That's definitely happened. You actually, because I thought about this, I lost my voice last week and I always think about when at Glastonbury once, I was doing the radio and I completely lost my voice and you saved me with you when it got some spray that you had and some things that you had, like a weird horrible string. Like a lozenge. Yeah, but it was like, look, medical. They're called vocals. It looks right. Yeah. They're basically medical. Yeah. Losangers. They're not your average strepsil. No. No. It's for singers. It's for singers. It's for singers. It's for singers. Well, it's done nice to you. And so you've got a new record, which we need to talk about in a second. Yeah. That's great. And you, I presumably have spent the past year or so crafting that and making that. Yeah. How does it feel now being back in these sorts of rooms when you've had, you know, time away? Yeah. It is. It is a bit mad because I finished the tour and at the end of 24, disappeared for like literally nothing for five or six months. And then just started writing this album. And it's funny when you get back to you, like, it's like being first day at school again, even though I've done this kind of like promotional, getting yourself back out there and into the conversation again and stuff for the last 15 years. Do you like doing all that promotional stuff? Is that something you sort of revel in? Or, you know, why are you laughing? No, no. Well, I don't know if anyone likes it. No one's going around going, I love it. Give me an interview. Do you like doing interviews about dish? No. But no, it is funny. It's like you get back in the horse again. It's, but it's great. Like, I when you're away from her for a bit, you're actually excited to get back into the mix, especially when you've got something that you really like. Yeah. You know, when you, when you've got music that you like and you want to tell people about. So that's the main reason we do it, probably. And then, yeah, no, it's just, it's good to be back, back at it again. It's been a while. What do you do when you're totally off? Because a tour and doing this sort of, you know, promo work and I think Niles doing it like truly the world over as well. Do you know what I mean? It's not like do dish and like go on the radio. It's like everywhere. What do you do when you're off and you can have that dedicated bit of time away? I used to just like not do much at all. But now I'm in a relationship, have a house, have a dog. Things are a little bit different. Like, I long to be at home a lot more than I used to like growing up and growing up in the industry. Like wherever, it didn't matter where I was. Like, I was just living out of a suitcase for 15 years. So it didn't really matter where I was. So I never really had that like, I had a place in London always, but it never like really felt like a home. So it's the first time that I've had like a home and someone to go home to and all that kind of lovely, loved up stuff. So I like, I literally like going home, walking around the village, drinking copious amounts of coffee and walking the dog too much. And do you feel more, oh my God, I was nearly going to say another boy band. When you were in the back street boys, when you were, you know, when you came out, it came out. That's the wrong thing. No, come on. What's the bankers? I'm a lot older than I look. Honestly, I'm nearly 60. Right. When you're in one direction, that felt quite controlled for it for you. Like they were telling you what to do when you had to tour and all that. Do you feel now much more that you're your own, obviously your own person, you can do what you want when you want, you know? Yeah, I think you would just get used to seeing the way it can be done on site A and then doing it a little bit differently inside B. At that time also, a lot younger, full of energy, you know, and just learning how it works. It takes time to like have the right team around you to touring crew, when to tour, when not to tour, when to make an album. I like the idea of going to work, being pop star and all. Yeah. Pop star and all. He's pop star and all today. Not be pop star and all. Yeah. Fair enough. He's tiring being pop star and all. I'm knackered. Look at the bags. Knackered. We said at the top of your intro that you were in Oliver. Was that the first time you were on the stage? Yeah, I think it was. I did like little like carol services, things at school. I had this teacher called Miss Cawfield and she figured out that I could sing. I must have been doing it quite loudly. And then she put me in like these little, I was singing like the first verse of A Way in a Manger. Banger. And then, yeah, they were making, I was about 10 maybe and they were doing a little school production of Oliver Twist and I got cast as Oliver. And I just, yeah. And I think that's where I fell in love with it. Like, I was like, yeah. Four minutes left. Yeah. Just being up there and getting all the attention. Did you enjoy it? Because I think it's funny when you're a kid, like half of you kind of wants to do it and then half is quite terrifying putting yourself out there in front of like the school and everything. But did you love it? Yeah, no, it's a bit of both. Like I was probably a conf, overconfident 10 year old. I wanted to be up there and then get up there and break myself and like, all of a sudden not so confident. But no, I loved all that stuff. I loved going to watch shows. I loved being in them. My aunt was like my biggest fan. She lived in New York and she would actually make me sing. You know, when an MP person is like, do an accent, be funny. So I had to do all the singing stuff when I was a kid. So that couldn't get away from it really. But yeah, I think it was just an overconfident 10 year old just run around the place. You've done all right out there. Yeah, you've done all right out there. And now I'm an annoying 33 year old. Some things have changed. Niall will be performing a song from Oliver at the end of the show. On City of Elves. Did you do shows, Ash? When you were little. Not at home, but I was in school plays and stuff. And always, because my voice is quite deep, I went to an old girls school. I was out to play the bloke. That's what was the thing. I was talking about the thing. I was always the bloke. Who are you in things? Well, things like when we did West Side Story, I was Tony. You say you're loving this. This whole show is going to be mocking me. There are shits of hair there aren't they? We're not though. I love the idea of you being Tony. That Negroni is, I'm going to be hammering after this. I know. Well, you wanted a Negroni. I will say you were very, we're going to do your food likes and dislikes. And the light that you took it seriously. Well, to be honest, I thought it was for Angus cooking. Like, what does he not like? Yes. I didn't realize it was going to be a talking point. Yeah. Well, I'm happy to talk about that. Yeah. We're going to go through them right now. There are hard times in my life. We're going to go through them right now. So your likes are Japanese food, Italian food, smash burgers. Two fast food chains make the list. Don on some five guys. Yeah. I'd say they're my burger places. Absolutely. Mostly hungover burger eating. Yeah. We also heard that you love spicy food. Yeah, I love spicy food. And you're into hot sauces. Yeah. Not a spicy pie today though, is it? Not a spicy pie. Not a spicy pie. Spicy pie. Spicy pie. Your dislikes were avocado. Hey, avocado. Hey, avocado. Would you, do you live in LA or you? Part time. Part time. Yeah. They're mad for it there. I do. I do. I don't mind rock and molly fully enough. I think it's a textural thing. Right. I don't like, you know, when you have like avocado, sliced avocado, toast or something like that. Your other nose were cucumber, radish, apples. Yeah. Also, actually the thing, I think the only thing you dislike, coriander. Oh, yeah. Coriander. We also, our team did some research and they found out that it's a big note to peas. Yeah, they're a bit too earthy for me. They get in the way of some great meals. Like a lot of those things that I've mentioned. Yeah, like what are they adding? Cucumber. Cucumber is a disaster. You know, when you don't like something and it's the last, the meal has been made, as you know, you work in a kitchen, so you just threw the... A little bit off the end. Yeah, a little bit on the end. Thanks. Not that. You f***ed it for me. And you also said, and this is one that we do get quite a lot, fruit and savoury meals. Yeah, I want to caveat that because the first one, when I seen it written down, I filled in a form for this, by the way. It was a survey done for dish. It was a survey. Yes. It's the fact that I get enter a competition to be at a table. And I won and I'm here. Thanks for having me. It was the first thing that came to mind was American breakfasts. Right, yeah. You know, when you stay somewhere, you go somewhere and they like to do eggs, bacon, and then you're just like, on the same plate, a lot of strawberries and blueberries. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And you're like, come on, and you tried to pretend me that that's your way of justifying health on this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? You got big fat, streaky bacon dripping and then you're just like... Like strawberries. Strawberries. I just don't really get it. No, I don't get it. Well, I hate to say it, but I did pomegranate on the groany. I like... That's all right. That's all right. I'll take that. Drink. A little pomegranate. Waitrose pomegranate. Yes. Is it? Give me a favourite. Oh, they're the best. Did I mean just go... They're the best. Oh, just say they're the best. Have them on the move, you know? They are the best. I'm Parsh now, by the way. He's now Parsh. Yeah, yeah. Okay. We are there, aren't we? We are there. We are there. We got out there. We had two other notes from you as well, Niall. Firstly, you said you would like a meal that is classified as hearty. Good work. Okay. One of our favourite food adjectives. And secondly, you wanted some tips on making a pie. Yeah. Well, do you know what? We'd like to make dreams come true on this programme. You're going to make a pie. That's all right. Come on. So do you want to get your head to the kitchen? All right, come on. Head to the kitchen. All right, you just be here. Swivel. Swivel. Swivel. Swivel. Thanks, Niall. Yeah, if you just swivel, yeah. If you could just swivel and be out of focus to the camera. Oh, that would be great. Yeah. So that's a lovely beef burger in your own pie, which we're going to eat later. So this is all cooked. So you basically cook your pastry before. Yeah. You line it, bake blind it. So you basically put in some baking beans or rice so that it cooks nice and solid. Egg wash it. So that puts like egg yolk, so it firms it up. And then we put our pie fillet in. So you can do that. Do you want to do that? Yeah, I want you to do that bit. And then we're going to put our pie topping on. How much should I put on? Right up to the level. So it's nice and full, because the pastry is going to sit on top. All right, okay. So you don't want it sort of sinking. Maybe I should maybe not do it like that. Yeah. That's, that was a rookie error right there. Yeah, generous. Yeah, you're all right. Let's get it in there. We want a hearty one. There we go. Nice hearty one. That's it. Yeah, lovely. Lovely. Right up to the edges. That's all looking good. Might as well finish it off. There we go. Yeah, you may as well. God, that was good portion control. What do you think of that? Nice. Right now I'm just going to. Very genius. Right, now you're going to crimp it a little bit. I didn't crimp this one, because I didn't give him that. So you're going to just fold over like this. Gives you another little extra edge. Oh Lord. Come on, oh Lord. Lord's not going to help you now, it's just you. Right, there you go. Come on. There you go. Crimp like that, just fold it over. So you kind of do a bit of that. That's it. Yeah, you got it. That's it. That's it. Fold that way. Yeah. And then. Little pinch down, go on. That's it. Yeah, that's it. There you go. We're going last little bit, and then we're done. You sure you want to watch this? He's doing all right actually. It's all right. He's up there with who else we had up here? Damien Lewis. Yes. Yeah, you're up there with Damien doing this. I mentioned in the same time. Yeah, yeah, Damien Lewis. Major pie crimpers. There you go. No one's done this much work. Right, then pie on top. Come on. That's it. So stick that there nicely. So what's the... Is it okay for that pastry to break? Yeah, a little bit, because the thing is with pie, is you need to make sure you do a little slip. So the steam comes out, so that this doesn't go soggy. Otherwise, when the steam come out, make it soggy. And the last little bit to give a nice golden colour, is a little bit egg wash, you see. You know the terminology already. I once made a Wellington. Oh, there you go. And ruined a whole New Year's party. Why? Because it just burst and... Oh, my God. Pastry everywhere. We basically just had a nice fillet steak. Lovely. Yeah. It's a bit of a mushroom. Just side. Yeah, bit of mushroom. That's quite ambitious, Wellington. Yeah, I do. I've never made one. I was watching a... I was watching a garden. A garden, yeah. At least we're responsible for it now. So, here we have the... Yeah. But he started something with Wellington, didn't he? Everyone started making it. Constant, yeah. Yeah, it feels like his is the only recipe of all time. I was wondering if anyone else was... Anyone actually works. ...on a chef's like, I make an unbelievable Wellington. Yeah. Everyone does. I can't do it. Right. Right, we're nearly there. Yeah, that's perfect. Now we're going to stick it in the oven. And what do you do with the egg wash, Foran? Just give it a nice golden colour. OK. You see, Liles will look good because his is really nice. He crimped it, whereas I didn't crimp mine. I was a bit lazy and just stuck it on the top. We always say that about you. Yeah, very lazy. Lazy. Lazy Michelin star chef. I've just met her and I know exactly what you're talking about. Yes, Liles. Come on, let's do, chef. Do you like to cook? Yeah, I know. Do you prefer I do? I think at Joe and Colvin, I got mad into it. Yes. You'd be just trying every website, anything you have for me before you give a crack. When I'm home, I try and do a little bit. Nothing overly complicated, because I... You know, when you think, I want to be patient. Mm-hmm. And then you get halfway through it and you're like, oh, this is a pain. Well, I think as I'm getting older, I find things that I used to find boring. Like I'm into gardening, apparently. I hate that. Well, same. I have also gone through this thing of, like, you know, taking pictures of a magnolia tree and sending it to my mum. I did that the other day. Look at these buds. They look lovely. Yeah. Yeah, I know the names of about five or six flowers now that I never knew before. I like this, that you're gardening and cooking and... You know, as you know, I spend so much time in the hotel to travel in the world. And I feel like the last few years, I've just been able to just... I'm in the settle down period. But that's nice to be in there. It's been nice to just be at home and do stuff like that, that people watching this would go, and do that every day. What do you like to cook then? What is the sort of thing that you do like to do? If me and Ang were coming for tea? If you and Ang were coming around. What would you do? Well, I'm an unbelievable pie maker, if you didn't know. Unbelievable. Well, crimped pie? Honestly, some of the best crimping pies around that great pie. What would I do if you were coming around? Well, what would you like doing? Because I don't like anything like too fancy or stressy. No, no, no, no. I like doing like a chicken and potatoes and a salad or something like that. That kind of thing. Yeah. Or, tell you funny one, my manager, Harry, I went around to his house one day and he was making spaghetti bolognese and it looked like he was going through some mad effort and I was in the corner just drinking wine. And I was like, this is really nice because, mate, I've got the best recipe for spaghetti bolognese ever. I was like, when we leave, it just texts me. So I was at home that night, I get a text at 11 or 12 o'clock and it just had www.jameyoliver.com. And he taught he'd broken the earth here with this, like out of this world, as best spaghetti bolognese recipe. But to be fair, it is phenomenal. It's pretty good, yeah. And yeah, it's a slow cooker one, you know? One of those like leave it in for a couple of hours and it actually is really lovely. Love making a roast. Yes. And my partner makes the meanest roast, so I just kind of leave her to it. But I love a good roast potato and I go a bit pork or something like that. Simple stuff, like nothing that... If people are coming around, you don't want to embarrass yourself, do you? No, and I've done that before. I've always been too ambitious. I'd always make something I've never made before. Oh, my God, the pie's here. Thought they went a bit big with the portion, but I hope that's done through. He said hearty. That's hearty. Just going to fuel the tall, this. Now I wanted a pie, now I'll get some pie. Yeah. Tell us what we've got here, Angela, please. So, we have a beef bourguignon pie with collie cheddar mash. We've made a beef bourguignon stew, which is a Martha Collison recipe. So, we've used ox cheek that we've braised down with some bacon lardons, carrots, onion, garlic, a little bit of tomato puree, some red wine, beef stock. And you basically braise that for at least three to four hours till it's really soft and beautiful. And then the bourguignon part at the end, you're adding some roasted mushrooms and some baby onions. And you mix that all in at the end. And so, that's our pie filling. And then the pastry, do you make the pastry? I've done it never made pastry in my life. We did make the pastry, a short crust pastry from Diana Henry, plain flour, salted butter. Blend that all together, egg yolk to bind it with a touch of water. And then you let it rest. I've blind baked the pastry and then I fill it with a cold filling. And then... That is delicious. And then we have cauliflower and potato mash. So, it's basically mashed potato with mashed cauliflower as well and some cheddar cheese. Some cheddar cheese. A little bit of Dijon mustard as well. All of it, Dijon. This is so good. This is really good. My mum makes a beef bourguignon, but never a beef bourguignon pie. Has she not? Oh, there you go. She needs to come around and get that pie. Come around and show her how to crimp. Yeah, you can come around and crimp. You can do that. So, what sort of meat are we talking? So, we've used ox cheek. Or you can do a lovely stewing steak or braising steak. But ox cheek is just delicious. Yeah, it's really quite a muscly part of the animal. So, it takes a long time to cook down, but that's why it's so lovely, because all the sinew in there and all the f**king there and stuff. How long did you braise it for? At least three to four hours. Yeah, so a long time. And the other thing you put in, we put in this lovely bouquet garnet with loads of thyme and rosemary. So, we tie that all together and that's what really infuses it. What do you call that again? Bouquet garnet. I love that. He loves it. Is that where you wrap it all up? You can either cover it all wrapped in a leek or you just tie it so it all. So, basically you can take it out. Or wrapped in a leek, sorry. A leek, yeah. So, a leek will hold it all together or we just tied it together. And there may be a couple of bay leaves in here, so just watch out for the bay leaves. Just watch out. But that's fine. They won't harm you. This is delicious. I love a pie. And never make a pie. It's quite good for a dinner pie, isn't it? Because it's easy and actually delicious. Yeah, there's nothing worse than having to be like all over the oven when you're trying to have poor drinks for people and stuff like that. Conversations, yeah. Yeah, I've never made it pastry and I don't know why because I imagine it's ye olde. Yeah. It must be quite... You would like it because it's quite therapeutic to make. Especially if you do it by hand and you're sort of rubbing in the flour with the butter and stuff. But it does take patience. You've got to do stages of it. You aren't rushing it. I've attempted it before, but it obviously needs to split. You're obviously telling me that it's not that bad when it comes to pies, but there are certain dishes that... Yeah, you need to, yeah. And to be honest, you can, I mean, wait, Trolls do great ready-made stuff. So you can use that as well if you want to. But if you want to make it, it's easy to make. But just take your time. Make it the night before, then take it out of the fridge an hour before and then roll it. You know, just sort of take your time. The pastry. Did you make this one? I didn't make that one because it's gluten-free. And is that from a packet? That is from a packet. It's really good. It's delicious. It's got a crunch because sometimes I've genuinely forgotten I didn't have gluten in it. I didn't realise you were gluten-free. Yeah. Yeah, oh, you have if you listen to Dish. Don't worry, Rui. If you want to try this recipe, if you want to make it at home, waitrolls.com forward slash dish recipes, you'll find all the ingredients that how to on there. You'll find the Nile crimping method as it's now filtered. Yeah, I know. And then the wine pairing, we've gone for a Coat de Rome pairing, which will be perfect with a beef burger. You know, a nice Boat de Rome red, right? Yeah, yeah, very robust and pretty. This is a super question. This can all be bought at Waitrose. Including the wine. Yeah, I've been doing it. You're eating the wine, yeah, very much so. Mm-hmm. Now you're down the road from one. We'll see you in that shopping. See you in there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that is nice. Do you know my biggest fear? And I noticed that I did it at the start and I had to stop myself. Just the noises that you make when you eat good food. I was sitting there going, mm, mm, mm. How do you listen to that? It's an ASMR, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, mm, hi. And well, it's really delicious. It really is. Shall we talk about your new single and your new album now? Yes. Please. Yeah. Let's talk about this. So when you eat for that one. Yeah, stop eating for that one. And so this is your fourth solo album. The single is called Dinner Party. The album is called Dinner Party. They always say like the second solo album or the second album is like the difficult second album. How did you find the fourth? Well, the second one, yeah, I was doing the second album thing where it's very difficult and you, like I had a couple of songs that were big off the first album. So I was like, all right, well, I need to do that again. And then the second album, yeah, I was probably pushing a little bit too much and COVID happened and it never really, I felt like I never really got it staying in the sun because they've got released the day we got put into lockdown. So it wasn't great. There's been better marketing plans. And then I wrote basically during lockdown, I wrote my third album. And then there was just like a real hunger from the fans. I think from everyone to just, you know, they're not going to say no to anything now. They just want to get out, watch shows, you know, go and see like we all did. We all went to more gigs and more, yeah, more drinking and more meals. The show Live On Tour that I did was very unexpected and huge for me. I learned a lot from the tour. Like you're standing on stage every night looking out at the crowd. I was looking at it more than I ever did. I've done a lot of shows and looked at a lot of crowds, but I was like really watching what songs were connected with the crowd and why. And my albums have always been a bit of a mix of like a folk ear side and acoustic side. And then something that they can get up and have a dance to. So I figured that like I was going to make this album a little bit rockier because I'm making it for this live audience that I've got. And I just went into the studio and really enjoyed the process. We literally just on day one, me and my two producers, John and Julia, we just set up a band set up. And I had a mic exactly like this. Sure, SM7. It's not just crimping I know about. And we just jammed and I just sung a lot of like melodies and things like that. And I really enjoyed that process because it reminded me of like, oh, this is how it should be made. This was the most enjoyable and then I think the most cohesive work that I've done from song one to 12, I think. Yeah, hopefully people like it, but it's definitely my favorite one to make. And then did you work with like, did you do it in the whole album when you said it sort of felt cohesive? Did you do it in the same room with the same people? I've made some great friends over the years from, you know, doing what I've done. Early the producers that I worked with did all the 1D stuff. So I'm really close with them. I've always worked with the same crowd. And we've added in a couple of different people, but they have to be of the right character if you don't know. Yeah. I saw Elton John on one of his final talks and he introduced all his band members. And when, and he literally said the drummer 45, 50 years. Oh yeah. You know, the percussion and you sort of think, and I, you know, I was singing in my head. I said, that is incredible, that loyalty to each other. But that's why he's lasted because they all know each other. And instinctively you've getting that with your guys. So as you say, you can go into a room and straight away, they'll know how you're feeling, you'll know. And that's why it's coming. You're enjoying it more in a way. And you don't have to think. We're just all on the same page. We know that you bounce off each other. You know each other when you're working with people that you know and love. It's a lot easier to do. That's great. And the album's called Dinner Party 2. Was that inspired by a particular story at Dinner Party? Yeah. Love, what was the? Yeah, exactly. Well, I met my girlfriend at dinner party. Mainly a house party. And how long have you guys been together now? Six years. Six years. Okay. She's great by the way. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, she likes you too. She's good. She's very good. And yeah, we just, we met and I decided I was gonna, obviously I was gonna write songs about her and stuff like that. But every album needs a song to create like a jump and off point. So that song is about, the song dinner party is about like that evening and how we met. And like when you start making an album, you need somewhere to go from to write other songs. Everything that happened, all the little small moments that happened after that, the makeup or relationship was the making. But I needed to write that song because I wrote a lot of crap before that. But you do need to swim through the muddy waters to get to the clear stuff sometimes. Well, everyone was very excited in your excellent fandom that exists. Yeah. And I read that you were back. I loved like the reaction from your fans when you returned to new music, because some of the comments that we found were amazing, obviously. We had Nila's returned. Skin is clearer, sky is brighter. Aww. That was me. I am so proud of you. Thank you, my Irish princess. I also love this comment that said, and suddenly life is meaning again. Not to be dramatic. I hate myself. We're back. Yeah, it's amazing. Like the fans are like, as you know, Nick, you were there from day one of all the madness, you know, outside radio stations and hotels and gigs and all this all over the world. It's just mad to think that, like, I can still play in the arena 15 years out, 16 years later. It's just madness to me. The dedication is, crowd's getting older. Now we're all grown up. Used to be, but they've grown up with us. Yeah. And I say us because the same with the other boys. Like, it's great. The dedication that they put into just, it's more than just, oh, I like them tunes or like, I like that artist or commitment. It's a full commitment and a full loyalty to that. You know, you're hopeful, but you can't see it going away because it's just those kinds of people, you know? Yeah. And is there a pie ready? I think maybe not. Check on the pie. Oh, shit. Check on the pie. Oh, the f***ing pie. They're f***ing bars. Oh, that's a... Oh, now it's a bit longer. Oh, f***, I switched the oven off. Shit. Oh, Jesus Christ. Nile. I'm so sorry. Not on Nile's pie special. I don't know what I was thinking. Can you imagine if this was to happen at the restaurant on a Saturday night? Jesus. Have you ever turned the restaurant off? Over and over again. Oh, come on, I've done everything. Can we do some stats? I love stats. You'll probably hate stats. I've just gone back here to my V4 guide. You're getting carried on. I will do the stats. So I want to... Tell Ange how great I am. Okay, here we go. So these are the stats that Nile texted me to ask you to read out. Nile's been selling for 10 years. 10 years. Two number one albums, soon to have a third. 10 billion streams and Nile has sold over 90 million records. The last tour, 1.2 million tickets. That's okay. 1.2 million tickets. So I love the stats. How do you perform for Joe Biden at the White House? What was all that about? Oh, but why did you get asked? I like to know the detail, not that you didn't. Yeah. What happened? What happened? Well, he loves... How did Joe call you? Did you... Well, hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. I know, I'm St Patrick's Day. Okay, yeah, big in America. Huge in America. He's half Irish, I think. Yeah. And about two weeks before it, I was... I just got this email from the... Someone at WhiteHouse.com. Jon. Jon. Jon at White House.com. And I thought it was a joke. I thought my manager was whining at me awkwardly. But they were like, would you... The president would like to invite you to perform at the White House for St Patrick's Day celebrations that we're having. I was like, this is so surreal. Cancel all plans, we're gone. We flew in for like 24 hours because it's somewhere else to be, but we flew in, I mean, green suit on. Obviously. Love, love. And a hat. Love, love. And a rainbow following me. And it was the most surreal thing of all time, like you walk in, big security. We went in or out a couple of times because we had soundcheck, we were allowed with big security every time. Yeah, of course. We get brought in, I'm then to do... They wanted me to do like a social media video with the president himself, but it was just in a room with me and him, so they were like, open the door to presidents there. I walk in, it's just like, oh my God, the president of America. It was really shot. And he was just so lovely, a really nice man, clearly very Irish in his ways. Like kind of an amazing storyteller. You know those Irish people that shake their hand and they don't let go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just kind of like stare you down and connect. Like it was a really good moment that I was scared about and that he just kind of relieved me straight away. Oh. Relieved me? There's the headline. Waitrose, they were great and groaning, are they? Maybe not. No, but he relaxed me straight away. Yeah. I f***ed you up. All of a sudden, this sweater got very heavy and he just relaxed me straight away. And then when I went to perform then, I found it a lot easier. Yeah. And where do you play like in the house? The East Room, which has since been knocked down. Oh well, they can't stop that gig. They're bulldow. They've got to sit down. So you performed in there? Performed in the East Wing of it and they, I had this little tiny little stage and I played a couple of my own songs and I played a couple of like Irish kind of emigration songs, like Irish people moved to America. And he was just like closer than you and I are right now to me. So I was looking at my hands on the guitar frets. I just, if I raise my eyes just the tiniest bit, it was just right there. Oh, God. And I was like, that's definitely the president of America. There's no doubt. And it was just an amazing day. Yeah. I just, because I'm like very obviously very proudly Irish and like I'm the little fella with the wave and the flag everywhere I go. So to go to the White House of all places was pretty cool. Had you been before to the White House? Never. Never, no. No, never. Because I didn't know if you'd been and done it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how they came. Don't know. No, the Obama's used to come to us, but that's... That's for another day, Nick. Yeah, they'd come to us. Yeah, they'd come to us. Well, do you know what? I was sent to now before I came when we were chatting out there my mum's family, Eileen Kennedy, they're Irish and I've never, you know, I've never been to Ireland. So we need to do it. Yeah, you definitely should. Maybe I'll find an Irishness to me. My father, but Cork. Cork. Why are you getting everyone from Cork? Everyone's from Cork. Oh, let's check on the... Yeah, I just want to check having it burnt in there. And you need help. Oh, it's like, honestly, it's looking good. It's looking good. It's looking good, looking good. I'll give it a couple more minutes and then I'll take it out. A few more minutes. A few more minutes. Pringpin's looking amazing. Yeah, so anyway, we need to do that island trip. We have a lot of Irish dish fans. What's great about this is you can sit down and actually have a chat. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas like, there's usually some sort of agenda. Yeah, no agenda. No agenda. So like, when you can literally sit down over a meal and a drink and have a chat, I think that Irish people will resonate with that for sure, I think. Yeah, you need to come to Corrigan's breakfast tomorrow. That's the... It always does be done. Tomorrow? Is that... Well, give him thanks for the heads up. No, no, of course, because it's Sympact Tuesday next week. Yeah. So Richard Corrigan, always on the Friday of that week or after, he does a big St. Patrick's Day breakfast at Corrigan's. My granny loves Richard Corrigan. There you go. Get you any of them. Wait, is it tomorrow? Yes, tomorrow. It starts at nine in the morning. I actually do think we should go. It's important to celebrate our heritage. Isn't it? I actually... If you think you're an American... Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you need... You are what people call a plastic patty. A plastic patty. You're a plastic patty. No, but I... In my head, you're more Irish than... You know what I mean? Like, in my head, you're really Irish. Do you think? Yeah. Maybe it's a Manchester thing or something. Well, I had a therapy breakthrough, and I'd gone therapy, and then after a while, I ended up talking about... I mean, this is no... We haven't had these staggers, no. I'll tell you this. You're like this. You're like this. You're like, well... So she gave me playmobil, right? Like, playmobil characters. And you're paying for this. And she... It was to do. I was about to take the supermine and throw you my mug. I will spend the sound of it. This is cool. I'm not gonna... But she gave me... This is my life. I'm so suspicious. Oh, he's had this, don't worry. He's had this. He was a playmobil character. Oh, my God, I'm a playmobil character. You were a playmobil character. You are now. And you'll be one too. And you'll be one. I can't remember what the method was, but anyway, she gave me them and she was like, put your family in and like do you in the middle? And it was like to do like a support system or something. And then she was blah, blah, blah. And then she'd give random things. She was like, give your career. So I'd be like, okay, whatever. And then she threw me a curveball, which was put Island in there. And I was like, oh, I didn't really think about it. Made me cry, made her cry. Because it unlocked all sorts of shit. All sorts of stuff. And I don't know why. And it was to do with like routine and being grounded. And she was like, all the things that you like, talking, music, community, being with your family, drinking. She said, it's your Irish roots. And you're actually like deeply connected to your family. And then it was a playmobil Irish breakthrough. There you go. Yeah. But the point is we need to be in Corrigans at 10 o'clock to our morning. See you tomorrow. We need to be there tomorrow. I'm not going home either. We're with our... Hey! Playmobil! But that was her therapy advice. Connect, connect, connect. Playmobil. Playmobil. Paycheck. Paycheck, paycheck. Paycheck, paycheck. Do you want me to come over, Andrew? Are you... Oh, what do we think, Ang? Hi. I think it's looking very good. That's looking pretty impressive. Oh, look at the air quash on that. I mean, that even looked like... Zoom in on the edges. Crimpin, that's pretty good. That angle's... You see lazy? Not so lazy. That's good. That's not great now. That's a little bit better. No, that's good. That's good. Wait, looks so made. That's actually quite impressive, isn't it? Yeah, you go. You see? That's what happens when you go have a Michelin Star chef or a sous chef. Yeah. Yeah. Nile, this is the very serious part of dish and it's time for your fast food quiz. Hard hitting questions. Please tell us your favourite way to eat eggs. I usually get booed. Hard boiled. No, we like those. Yeah, right? Yeah. Favourite sandwich filling. Chew the sweet corn. That was Sarah. Sarah. I know that. I know Sarah. How very do you? How very do you? Who's the chef? I'm a boring bouncer. What's your favourite form of potato? Roast. Correct. What's your favourite herb? Pine. What was the best crisp on the market? We've won in Ireland. I don't know if you have it here called meanies. Oh, don't know, meanies. They're like a pickled onion. They're more pickled onion than monster lunch would ever be. Wow, don't know. And they're only small little things. What's your favourite pasta dish? Oh, I'm a richy changa. Oh, very nice. Like that. Lovely. What is that? I had a Negroni and I can speak Italian. Tomato with lots of bacon and stuff in it. Yeah, bacon, tomato, eat. Yeah, spiny meat. Nice. What's the best thing on toast? On toast? Yeah. Jam, cheese, peanut butter, eggs. Pate. Yeah. Like a bit of pate. Yeah. Especially when I'm feeling posh and weighty, I suppose. Yeah, hello. Like that. Hello. Growing fond of a bit of marmite. Real life. What's your favourite Sunday roast? Do you know what? If I was at home, chicken, quality control. Quality control. Yeah, because I find that if you go into a pub for a chicken roast, it could be very, very, very hit and miss. Because when they're cooked on mass, it could be a bit of a disaster. Right. Yeah, maybe if you come in there at like one o'clock or something, the pub's just open. Early, yeah. Yeah, early. By three o'clock. Forget it. Pork, if I was out and about. Which can be dodgy too, but at least you have the crackling. At least you've got the crackling. Yeah. Niall. Hello. We've reached the end of the show. I know. I know. This is the end of the show question. For your chance to win this weightro's goodie bag... He's flirty Trello, it's so shit. He's only got two wheels. He's only got two wheels. I'm carrying it. We're all going back to Angus. That's all I've got. Come on. To win the weightro's goodie bag, please take part in our dinner party games. As inspired by your brand new single and album. So our audience, when we said you were coming out and we're very excited about you, very excited about the album and the single we called Dinner Party, and they said you should do some dinner party icebreakers. So these were sent to us by our audience. So it's only natural that we play them at the end of the show. So to start with, you need good chat at Dinner Party to make it work. So interns, all three of us, will answer the following questions. So Ifa got in touch on Instagram, and Ifa said, let's start with you, Niall. We'll go Niall and me. I'm selfless. And Ifa says, what would be your name if you had to go into witness protection? Oh, God. Oh, jeez. Is that what really the dish listeners are looking for? What would you go for? I've had some good, like, aliases over the years. Oh, yeah. Obviously it can't be comedy. He's got 15 not right now. Oh, I was going to use this on the next one. Hugh Mungus. Hugh Mungus. Disgray. I was going to be from the next. That's good. Hugh Mungus. You can't use Hugh Mungus now, itself. M-U-N-G-U-S. Hugh Mungus. And what would you go for? Um, Samantha Hardy. Why? Oh. Oh, I just thought of that name. But do you know that? Oh, that's why. It sounds very mysterious. Kind of sutures Samantha Hardy. You know what? You could just find out. Samantha Hardy, yeah. I could get away with that. You need an alias now. It's going to work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good question. That's fair enough. Maybe Hugh Mungus wouldn't go down very well. Hugh Mungus is not the most. Do you reckon they'd shop the mafia? Yeah. You just don't know, you know. Do you reckon they'd get to the bottom of that? Yeah. I'd go for, well, my mum and dad if I was a girl, we're going to call me Maxine. And I would have loved life as Maxine Grimshaw. I would have loved your name. Maxine Grimshaw. Imagine Maxine Grimshaw. We've got to catch him to Cory. Oh, I can't be Max Grimshaw for them witness protection. No, you can't be Grimshaw. Oh, no, it's a double bluff. I'd go Max Grimshaw. Because it'd be like, no, they won't give him a... Yeah, that's quite a good one. Yeah. Emily says, if you... Now, this is a good question. If you had to come up with an excuse to not go to a dinner party, what would it be? Well, anyone that knows me would know. I just wouldn't text them back. So you just... Because you're actually quite... You can get away with it because people are like, he's on tour. He's on promo. He might be in Tokyo. Like, people don't know. I always say I've got Misha's friend's birthday. You forgot about all stuff. What do you do, Ansh? I don't know. I mean, I can't use work because it just doesn't feel believable. Fire at the restaurants. Anything. Yeah, but people would know about that. Oh, yeah. Put the oven to 250. Yeah, the oven to 250. And I can't use family because I'm a supercitious if something happened. But I never want to say anyone's ill. I mean, I suppose I'd use the dogs of something like, you know, I don't know... Yeah, f*** dogs. ...like, playing the dogs. By the way, the dogs are good ones. The dogs are good ones. Well, I've got to go to the vets. I'm not sure. I'll be back in time. I did use once with someone. It wasn't about a dinner party, but I basically couldn't... I'm not saying what because they might realise why I didn't go. But I basically pretended I'd broken down. Then I didn't turn. What, mentally, or...? No. Well, yeah. That as well. You're like, my playmobil are all mine. No, but I basically said the car broken down and then I just didn't go. The final dinner party-based suggestion from our wonderful listeners. Eila said, do the love and hate game. Do you know this? Go on. Everyone write down one thing they love and one thing they hate. That gets put into a bowl and each person picks it out and they have to guess if it's a love or a hate and who it is. So we write down one love, one hate, put them in the bowl and then we pull them out and we have to decide is it a love or a hate and who does it belong to. Okay, yeah. What are we talking about food here? Anything. Anything. Anything. I wish you'd said food now. I'm looking around the room at things. Cameras. That woman over there. That woman that laughed at tuna sweet corn. Farrah. Farrah. F***ing. Why am I so shit at this stuff? Why are you after a love or a hate? Oh, he's done it. Okay, done it. Okay. I literally had a big, massive, fat brain fart. Okay. Don't worry, I'm ready. So it's not going to go very well. No moon either. No. Okay. Come on, here we go. Radiohead. Nile. No, I think that's a love of yours. No. No? Love of yours? Love of mine. Love of yours. Okay, we all love Radiohead. Okay. Slow people in a queue. That's a bit of you. See, now that's... That's a hate of you. Now, that's the kind of thing I wish I'd written. Wait, you see what I've written. That's a hate of you. That is definitely a hate of you. Yeah, I mean, no one can like that. Come on. Come on. Slow people in the airports. Yes, that's what I mean when you put them on them. It's worse than, like, queuing. Like, you know when you're like, I have somewhere to be, and you're nine hours early for your flight. Get the f*** out of the way. Yeah. Exactly. We're absolutely fuming. Okay. Whispering. That's you and you hate it. I don't like it. I hate whispering. That's, yeah. See, yeah. Can I re-write one? No. Well, yeah, you can. Why not? Yeah. It's your dinner party. Let's do another one. Next up we have... Rain. What's that one? Open that one there now. Sainsbury's. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Come on! And Nile, the goodie bag is yours. Come on! Yes, Nile! Oh, we're only joking. We love you, Sainos. Um, Nile, the goodie bag is yours. Thank you. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you very much. Massive congratulations on the single and the album. Thank you. Thank you. The album is out on April the 17th? No? June the 5th. June the 5th. June the 5th. June the 5th. That's staining. Well... I like it when you're wrong as well, by the way. I just gave it to the label. Yeah. Yeah. Nile, thank you. That was really fun. Always great to see you. Thank you. And so fun. A massive congratulations. Lovely to meet you. Lovely to meet you. Brilliant. That was a lot of fun. And a round of applause for Nile Horan, everybody. Woo! Yes! Come on! Come on! Come on! Thank you, Nile. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Nile. Waitrose, the home of food lovers.