231. TJ Dillashaw: On Biohacking, Longevity, Injury Recovery and Life After UFC

If you want to be a champion, you can't leave no stone unturned. You got to have all energy systems trained to the best ability. Chasing peak performance and longevity go hand in hand. If you treat the body the way that it was intended to be treated, and you recover the right way, you eat the right food, you supplement the right way, your performance is so much better. Well, you suffered through a lot of injuries during your career. I mean, I know that you fought with two blown-out shoulders. Yeah, I mean, just wear and tear from wrestling since I was eight-year-old through college and then more so as being a professional. You were doing stem cells early on in your career and to try to preserve as much of that time as you had. I do all my research trying to figure out like, what are like the Kobe Bryant's to do in the world to preserve themselves or whatever it may be to keep me in the game without having to get surgery? So you get the stem cells, you come back, you win another championship. Yeah, win the World title back. Wow. Now that you're more woked along longevity and wellness, you've got this brand out there which I'm sure you're pouring your soul into. What made you say, this is the next career path for me? Something I've noticed from just training in my experiences that Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, Human Biologist Gary Brekka, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity and everything in between. And today's guest is no stranger to biohacking. Now he's into longevity. It's the everything in between that we're going to talk about today. And you know, I've got two time UFC, Phantom Weight World Champion, TJ Delishal, dude, and I am so pumped that you are on the Ultimate Human Podcast, brother. I am beyond pumped. This is exciting. I'm a fan of the podcast. I'm a fan of what you stand for and the whole maha movement. So I'm, I'm ecstatic to be here. Thanks, man. I really appreciate that. You know, I think that your journey is like so many professional athletes, journeys and so many a-listers, celebrities, actors, people that have been, had careers where they were very much in the public guy, you know, worked themselves to greatness. And then one day it just ends. Right? Yeah. And you know, I've, I've read a lot about you and, you know, how, how disappointed you were about the way that your career ended. It didn't end the way that you would, you know, plan for it to end. Um, you know, you had some skirmishes along the way, which you've been very transparent about, you know, to your suspension, um, for PEDs and like what you learned from that. But I wonder for my audience, um, that maybe isn't into the UFC or into professional fighting or MMA, um, but understands that, you know, people that achieve world championship status, you know, must have given so much for so long of their life. And when it ends, like, how does that transition go? You know, because I think most people are building at the time when your career was decretion doing it. And I've heard you talk about it before and I think my audience would get a lot out of it. Yeah, it becomes like a part of who you are. Like, um, my sense of purpose, the whole reason why I started wrestling, like wrestling is not a very enjoyable sport. And I always think my little son is wrestling though too. And it always baffles me of why kids get into it and they stay with it. But it's like the sense of accomplishment and purpose you have. And I was good at it. And he got rewarded. He started eight, right? He started eight years old. Yeah. And my son's seven, he's wrestling now. And is he really? Yeah. And I became really good at it. And it was just something that like filled my cup. And now ever since that ever happened, it has just been chasing greatness ever since and peak performance. The whole reason why I went to college, it wasn't like a great student, but had to be had to turn into one because of athletics and, you know, student athlete and had to do all of that. So push through college, um, studied kinesiology just because it was, I thought was going to make me a better athlete. It was going to possibly be a physician's assistant or physical therapy because I was just into the body right on. Um, got talked into fighting. And so I dropped out of grad school. Yeah, how did that go? So first of all, I want to just give a little credit to your dad. I think it was your father that was a wrestler. How? Yeah, my dad. How was a wrestler? He had a cool nickname. What was hazardous? It hazardous. How like, okay, if you're raised by hazardous, how at some point, you got it, does your son have a nickname? Oh, not yet. I hope he doesn't turn anything like hazard. I mean, hazardous. He's now in his 60s and acts like he's still in his 30s. And you can, yeah, he's beat himself up. He's hazardous, you know, like jumping off 100 foot cliffs into water, fracturing his arm, like never slowing down. Right. But yes, he got me into wrestling and pushed me to where I am today. Um, but to drop out of grad school, I had an assistant wrestling coach, Mark Munoz. He was a UFC fighter at the time. And after I got done wrestling, I never reached my goals. I never like became a national champion. Never was an all-american. I just feel like I fell short. And I'll, you know, come full circle that I overworked myself and, um, didn't know how to compete yet to my full stability. I went there later, but he's like, I think you're a real aggressive wrestler. He'd be a great fighter. He should give it a shot. Dropped out of grad school, said, I'll give myself a year. If I'm any good with fighting, then I'll stick with it. If not, I can always go back to school. And at the time it wasn't, it wasn't the grand stage it is today. I mean, the sport grew while you were, your career was growing, too. Yes. Because, you know, UFC was like very much kind of in the fringes, you know, especially when Dana first and the frittitas first bought it. And, and then it became the fastest growing sanctions sport in the world. Yes. And, you know, and, and I think they did an obviously an incredible job for it. I mean, I think any thing you buy for two and a half million dollars yourself for four billion. Yeah. I mean, I was going your way. Going your way. To put the build a stage that made me build a brand of myself. Yeah. The ultimate fighter came out my freshman year of college. Wow. Yeah, and that's what really took it off the belt. Okay. So my weight class wasn't even owned by the UFC yet. When I first started fighting, WBC owned it. And then Zufo bought WBC. And so I was only first ultimate fighter. So crazy story. I graduated college, dropped out of grad school, started fighting within nine months, built up four fights. Got, I was only, I was only four and a half got on the first ultimate fighter for my weight class because you've seen just bought WBC. And so I had a chance to make into UFC when I was only four and a half. And that's Phantom Weighted. It was just hadn't, it didn't exist. I didn't know that you could own certain weight classes. What do you mean to get? Well, promotions, right? So WC was the promotion. They had 155, 145, 135. Mm-hmm. The UFC at the time only had 155 and up. Okay. And so once the lower weight classes started catching momentum, the UFC came in and acquired it. Required the WC and rolled it into the UFC promotion. All right. So I jumped on the first ultimate fighter. I only had four fights only been fighting for a year. Made it the finale and got myself a contract. And then three years later, I won a world title. So it was kind of like a skyrocket career. That is wild. But your question was like, that was my identity to a point. Right? I put so much work into it and for it just to be over, like that due to injury and not being able to perform anymore was, was an eye opening experience because like, and that's all I ever did. That's all what I was. I mean, I didn't really have much business outside of fighting. I mean, dabbled a little bit here and there. But how I fed my family, how I kept rooving over my head was by performing in that octagon. And so it was, it was, and it was really just getting paid for those fights. Yeah. I mean, you had to make that work for the rest of the year or the time frame in between fights. And it's why, you know, you don't get paid to train. No. Right. I mean, maybe you get sponsorships. Yeah. I mean, thanks to social media, sponsorships became more prevalent for like organic lifestyle stuff. Right. And hopefully people are supporting brands that they actually use, which a lot will come around to why I started a wild society. But, uh, yeah, sponsors help pay the bills in between fights. And luckily enough, I was able to build a brand by being a champion so that I can get bigger and better sponsorships to supply my lifestyle. Yeah. Um, I think, I think everyone, you know, we get wiser as we get older. And I've actually heard you talk about how you wish you knew then what you know now. All right. I think we're all kind of that way to some extent. Um, but you know, what changed, uh, after your career that you wish you had known during your career? I mean, obviously you must have had excellent training or you wouldn't have become, you know, a two time world champion. So you can't really point a finger at how I wasn't training properly. But were you missing like the nutrition piece, the recovery piece, the supplement piece? Like what was missing then that you wish you could have plugged in? And do you think that would have changed the trajectory of your career when you made your comeback? Yeah, I'm so glad you asked that. I mean, 100% it would have changed. I could have been even better in my mind because of the things that I changed in my 30s. I wish I would have known when I was in college. But if I would have known this in college and performed the way I should have in wrestling, I might have never dabbled into MMA. So there's a lot right? Because your wrestling career could have taken you a different direction. Yeah, it could have. I could have become a national champion all-American and maybe I stick with wrestling, which I'm so glad I was meant to become a fighter just my mentality. So that could have happened. But even the way that I was training in my 20s and became a world champion training this way, but I was burning the candle up both ends. I was training six, seven days a week as hard as I possibly can two or three days and wasn't taking my nutrition or my supplementation the right way. I was a wrestler. And growing up as a wrestler, you're always taught just to outwork your opponent. So whatever it is, just outwork him. Just do it harder, do it more, do it better, which leads to being overworked. And I had no idea what being overworked was. Yeah. To where when I would get to the end of my season in wrestling when I was in college, so nine-month seasons really, really long. And I'd always peak in December. And then Nationals is in March. I'd always felt like I was either really injured or I felt like I was out of shape. And I was like, how was that possible? I've trained so hard. I'm not drinking out with my friends. Doing all the right things. I'm getting up in the morning and I'm running, and then my body would just crash. And I held, I learned a little bit more when I first started fighting through Uriah and the way that he treated his body at Alpha Male. But nowhere to the extent that I learned once I hit my 30s and was like just needed to figure out why I was waking up tired, why I didn't want to train like, just quarters all up, hormones low. I met a coach, Sam Calvita, a lot of us called Coach Calvita. I read about that. He owns the training lab. A very eye-opening history. What time frame is this? This was when I was coaching the Ultimate Fighter in end of 2016. Yeah, in 2016, going to the beginning of 2017, I met him. I brought him through another fighter. He came out to the Ultimate Fighter just to kind of pick my brain and I wanted to teach some of the guys some of the knowledge that I was learning. And it was just an eye-opening experience of the things that he knew that he can make me better. We did blood work, we did hair analysis. All these things to find out what my body was doing, what toxins I had, where my hormones were. Wow, he was actually measuring toxins back then. Good for him. Yeah, I found out that I had insanely high levels of arsenic. Which we've tested a lot of wrestlers in for what reason a lot of wrestlers do. I don't know if it's like what the mats are cleaned with or the mats in general or just obviously lifestyles. But yeah, a lot of the wrestlers we've tested have a high arsenic. So it was an eye-opening experience that he was like, hey, look, you're a world champion, but we can make you this much better. Yeah, so when I met him, I was living in Colorado at the time. I decided to go do two weeks with him in Southern California, where I went to school at Cal State Fullerton, but down in that area to go do two weeks with him. And I was blown away with all that he was informing on the way that we trained. That I had to move my whole life back down there. So I moved from Colorado back to Southern California because of Coach Cal. Wow. When you move the coach out, dude, you didn't have the money at that time. Yeah, I mean, also it's hard to move like someone else they tell us building a gym. Don't pay for the fighters, pay for the coaches, right? But also coaches are for them to move their entire life. So he has nine kids. Oh wow. He's got a setup just like spot in your Belinda. So I'm an athlete want to get better. I was one willing to make the sacrifice and I would move my life. Right. I was from California too, and I was living in Colorado at the time because of training with a coach. And so I decided that this was my next step of evolution. So I moved back to Southern California. Right on. And how much of an impact did that make making that shift? Oh, it was game changing when it came to I think the biggest thing that he taught me to is how I periodized like my entire life when it came to like when I was training hard, what days I was recovering. MMA is the hardest sport in my opinion to train for because we use so many energy systems. So he teach me like when I need to do my zone two training, what do we call our low base how many times a week and what days I should do it. Turning TJ to the side of the CEO of my own body. Like me really get better than just like having all these coaches pull me in different directions. I set my schedule. So Mondays was low base in the morning and then I would do wrestling or Jiu Jitsu, right? And then Tuesday would be my really hard day where I'm sparring. I'm doing insane strength and conditioning to where that's where I'm going to what I learned what pushing Lactic Thresholds were. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Learning what even what a Lactic Thresholds was. Yeah, that is brutal. And I'm so glad now that's the only thing I'm glad of a retirement that I don't have to do Lactic Threshold training anymore. Because from people that don't know what that is. I mean, what you're not talking about restriction bands or you're talking about just getting into that zone. Yeah. Also, I guess I'm skipping so much or so much information to talk about. But the first thing you do when you meet Sam Calvita is you test your body. When it comes to your VO2 max, what you're doing RMR. So what I'm breathing out rests, you know, how much if I'm burning fatter carbs at rest. And learning when my body is, you know, hopefully I'm burning 100% fats at rest. But due to lifestyles and the way that we were training most athletes and just people in general in burning carbs at rest, you know, which you're producing Lactic acid. So the longer you can burn fats for energy, the farther off you can start producing Lactic acid. So first you test your RMR and then you test your VO2 max and you find that exact crossover point of when you start per heart for your heartbeat, when you start burning carbs for energy rather than fats, dominantly. And then that's your zone two. So it's like his algorithm knows to the beat when I'm in zone two. So I knew when I first met him my heart rate at 141 and below, I was burning mainly fat for my energy system. Once I got over 141, I started burning carbs. And when I start burning carbs, I start producing Lactic acid and then you have a threshold and knowing what that threshold is by doing a VO2 max. Wow. So this helps you keep pace during a fight. So you're like, even though you're not looking at a heart monitor during a fight, you kind of trained enough that you go, this is, I'm getting out of that zone. And I need to like ease back and get back into that zone where I'm actually bringing fat. Yes. And by changing your lifestyle, when it comes to the way you eat, the way you train, the way you recover, the supplements you're taking, you can change your zones. So when I first met him, I was living in Vegas, coach and ultimate fighter eating bad. He met me the day after my birthday. I went out drinking for my birthday and like he did all my tests, right? So I was at 141. But after working with Sam for my first camp, I moved my heart rate up to like high 50s, like 158. Anything under that, I'm burning mainly fats for my energy. Wow. And so now I can go to my heart rate to 158 before I start burning carbs and start producing Lactic acid. So by creating a lower base, that's why we do zone two training, this low base to build this base. Right. And by doing that now, I'm not burning, you know, I'm producing Lactic acid to 158. So now if I move that threshold, then I can move my Lactic threshold further and then learning how to stay in it longer. Well, because you won two championship fights in the fifth round, right? Yes. Uh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because I mean, so clearly three or two, you're right, too. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I did my research. Yeah. I did my research. Actually, my team did the research. Malia, thank you. No, I mean, I was fascinated by that because, um, you know, I, I'm a fan of the UFC. I don't pretend to, you know, understand your chits who it's just at that level or the competitive fight sport at any, at any high level. But, you know, I always respected athletes that still had a gas tank in the fifth round. Because, you know, just for a layman, if you put on a set of boxing gloves and you just stand in front of a heavy bag and you just go off on that heavy bag as hard as you can for 60 seconds, you're taking a knee. Yeah. And, and, and to be watching, you know, this, these guys go at that level for 25 minutes. I'm out me exhausted watching. I used to be fast and Nate Diaz would do that a lot and like get into these late rounds and just kind of start slapping people around. He looked like he was having fun. Yeah. And, and like he wasn't worn out at all. Nate Diaz is, and also you got to go like everyone's genetically made up a little bit different. He's a slow twitch athlete. He's not so much I'm going to say is like real explosive, real powerful, not really muscle bound. No. So his thresholds are different, right? Like he's, he's probably doing a lot of aerobic training to where I feel like there's that perfect balance. You look at a guy like Marab, I think genetically he's made up differently as well too and probably produce like deals with lactic acid a little bit differently than a lot of us do. But, um, he's explosive as well. Like strong. So I want to be anaerobic strong. I want to be a aerobic strong and I want to a great lactic threshold. Like I want to be a well balanced athlete. So if I looked at Nate Diaz, yes, he has cardio for days. Right. But where he's lacking to where if you want to be a champion, knockout strength. Yeah. If you want to be a champion, you can't leave no stone unturned. You got to have all energy systems trained to the best ability. And I think he lacks that power. Like that explosiveness, that squeeze strength. Like, like I'll be, but I have really good like grappling strength in cardio to where you can grab your wrist. He's going to hold you down forever. Right. Right. So missing that a little bit. Right. If you know me, you know I'm a huge believer in the benefits of hydrogen water. H2 tab delivers cost effective portable tablets that generate ultra clean molecular hydrogen at 12 parts per million, one of the highest concentrations on the market. With over 1300 published studies showing benefits of oxidative stress, energy, recovery, brain function, and so much more taking charge of your health has never been easier or more cost effective. Just drop a tablet in water, let it dissolve and drink it back. It's less than a dollar a day. Science backed and part of my daily routine. I never travel without this. And it is my favorite bio hack. Visit drinkh2tab.com. That's drinkh2tab.com and upgrade your hydration today. Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. But but do you think that understanding this lactic threshold and actually knowing that you're not in the car burning zone and accelerating towards lactic acid? I mean, this is this is what allowed you to win two championships in the late rounds. I mean, in the fifth round. Yeah, I mean, I won deep into a fight. I won my first championship before I met Sam Calvita. It was more so when I got to my 30s and like how much better I felt like before I was burning the candles at two ends and I just like felt tired all the time. Yeah, I was a stimulant junkie. I would drink a which is I live my life not the way I do anymore. Right. I'm going to die for now. Yeah, we're going to get into that too. I've been on this longevity path for like a decade now. But before that, I was drinking fiber energy drinks. Those little shots at like six, seven PM. Wow. I know and I might obviously my journal glands were toast. I'd learn this from Sam. My journal glands were toast because of the way that was live in my life. But I was exhausted all the time. So I drink a fiber energy drink because I was going to go hit mids at seven or eight PM. And then I'm expected to go to sleep. Yeah. But you know, but I processed. I feel like caffeine different back then because I was just wasn't treating my body right. Yeah. And your talisman was probably just screaming at that point. I mean, I mean, you were burning so many calories. But it's fascinating to know how much structure and architecture goes into this. Obviously not just the training game for Jiu-Jitsu and stand up and for wrestling. But studying your opponent, I've watched podcasts of yours and how much tape that you would watch. And how you would look at how a fighter stands. They would hold a right hand up and try to keep you off with their left hand. And they would open it up for your left cross. And you would have game plans. In fact, I watched you talk about how you had your game plans ruined. And you know, in fights where they substituted another fighter like 24 hours out. Yeah. I spent my whole training camp training to fight one guy. And I forget his name, but you had to actually train with him. Yeah. In your camp to get ready for the fight and then you ended up fighting him. So I had the biggest up-set in UFC history at the time. I beat him in Braw. I was undefeated his entire career. Like, number one pound for pound chain. I was at eight to one underdog going into this fight. But I think I know the way that my mind works is just delusional optimism. That I knew that I was going to win. You did. Almost this is the utmost belief in myself no matter what. I feel like that's what has gotten me to the top. It also got me in a lot of trouble as well. We can get into. But I was a massive underdog. One that fight. I was on an ultimate fighter contract. I wasn't getting paid to be a champion yet. So it was awesome to get to rip that contract up. Get paid different. Going to Dana's office and the Frititas and like, congratulate me. Give me a bonus. Like, yeah, I made it. I'm getting married three weeks later. That's awesome. They pay for my honeymoon. They did? They pay for my honeymoon out at one and only, Paul Mia, amazing place. I hadn't lived the life that I got to live at my honeymoon forever. Then they hit me up and I, like, hey, but we need you to fight eight weeks later. It was kind of like here. A little cherry on top. We need you to fight eight weeks later. Yeah. And I need you to defend the belt against inner brow. This monster that I just beat. The no one thought I was going to beat. So I'm, I'm training on my honeymoon. I'm waking up in the morning. I'm hitting the treadmill. I'm sprinting just because that's the way my mind works. I just, and I just knew I had to train harder than the guy that's probably like what I would do. So I'm training on my honeymoon. I got back, get into camp, an hour before weigh-ins. I get a call from Linsor Fritita saying like, hey, champ, where I was not going to make way. He fell, hit his head, got to be rushed off to the hospital. We need you to fight Joe Soto. So I knew Joe Soto. So you're preparing for this champ. So yeah, at least you were taking it about as serious as you've ever taken a fight, obviously. Yeah, but completely different fighting styles. Right? Like brow is a dominant striker. Yeah, he's got good jujitsu, but very high knockout power dominant striker to where Joe Soto was a wrestler that I've knew wrestling since we were kids. And we were in training camp because he was going to fight in Sacramento. So he trained in Sacramento with us a little bit. And I got the train with him. He was the bell tour champion. His first fight at the UFC. No one knew who he was yet. And I knew how tough he was. And I had to lay everything. Because you trained with him. I had to let everything on the line to fight someone that no one knew. I had everything to lose. The most nervous I've ever been for a fight. But Lorenzo called me. He's like, hey, we need you to take this fight. Lorenzo Fritita called you. Yeah, you got to take it. Lorenzo's calling you. The boss man, you know, he's actually very nice guy. He is. I love him. But yeah, yeah, he's a great human. Yeah, so the whole game plan had to go thrown out the window. And like within 24 hours, just kind of had to switch it up. You know, wow. Yeah. But you don't have 24 hours to like retrain everything that you had done. Because you were preparing for this. Sky using a lot of, you know, I remember you talking about it. You know, put his left hand out and you would hold his right hand up. And you were going to be using your left cross. And you had a whole different game plan. So I mean, how much did that throw you off going into that fight? It just turned into you have to shut the brain off. Which you hope to do in most fights anyways. And just getting started to try to say, I'm not ready for this. What if this happens? What if that happens? Yeah. Going down pathways, a worst case scenario. My delusional optimism, right? Like everything in your mind wants to tell you that you're not going to win. That you're not going to be successful. That this fights not the fight you should take. Whatever it may be. And it's so generic that I just smash it with with positive affirmations. Like, yeah, I have a negative thought. I slam three positive ones on top of it. And eventually just trick my subconscious to believe in that I'm the baddest man on the planet. Nothing can get in my way. And it's helped me a lot throughout my career. And I can say it's also got me in some trouble. It's why I can't lift my arm to the sky. And I need a reverse shoulder replacement. Things like that. But without it, I don't think I would have became the world champion either. Well, you you suffered through a lot of injuries during your career. I mean, I know that you fought with two blown out shoulders. You know, you were you were doing stem cells, you know, early on in your career, you know, to try to preserve as much of that, you know, time as you had. And and I want to if you talk a little bit about that, like what were some of the things that you were doing before you really had your arms around biohacking and you had your encephalement line and you really dialed in. What were you just doing as a competitive athlete and with that kind of shoulder pain? You know, first fighting through it and training through it. But how were you able to compete at that level? Do you think it was the stem cells where you doing regular rehabilitation therapy? Like what were you doing? Both all the above. It's a good story for you. So again, I'm coach and ultimate fighter 2016. And at the end of the season, there's a coaches challenge. For me and Cody, we're brand we're the Cody Garbant, we're the coaches. And we have to do a challenging against each other. And whoever wins this challenge, like we win like 15,000. And then we win 2000 for everyone of our fighters. So it's fun, right? It's like we're gambling out there. So we're playing tether ball, but it's in the winter. And it's above a pool on a gymnastics balance beam. I'm on a balance beam. He's on a balance beam and we got to play tether ball. The first one to get to 20 or 10, whatever it was wins. And if you fall off the balance beam, you have to get up and get back on the balance beam as fast as you possibly can before he hits it to the end. Oh, because he can just keep rack up points. You're not there, right? It's like, it's like when you're a kid on the playground, you're hitting it's over their head and you just keep going. Yeah. I actually remember that I'm kind of dating myself because we used to play tether ball too. I don't think anybody plays tether ball anymore. I don't know if they do. There's a whole generation going, what the fuck is that? Like, yeah. Yeah. So I first disillusioned, well, I had my first shoulder surgery in 2000 for during wrestling, but and that was 2004. And then I re-injured at playing this tether ball game. I fell off and I tried to catch myself on the balance beam so I can get back up as fast as I can before I let him score. Yeah. I'm very competitive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't want to lose that anything. I don't care for playing Monopoly like there's nothing I want to lose that, right? So I'm like, and I dislocate my shoulder out the back. No, it subluxes though. So it goes out and goes right back in. I didn't think anything of it. It was like whatever finishes the game. And then afterwards my shoulder was hurting. I tried doing stem cells here in the state. To get, so me and Cody were coached an ultimate fighter. At the end of the ultimate fighter we're supposed to fight each other for the world title. I had lost my belt, which was just burning me because I shouldn't have lost the fight. It was a split decision, lost against Dominic Cruz that still did the stuff like at once. I wanted my belt back so bad. I'm fighting Cody Garbrant at the end of this show. And I blow my shoulder out. Like I can't afford to get surgery because if I get surgery, I'm out for a year and a half, two years. Here just to get back to what I need to do. And then obviously get back into fight shape again. Right. So I do all my research trying to figure out like what are like the Kobe Bryant's of doing in the world to preserve themselves or whatever it may be to these other alternative medicines to keep me in the game without having to get surgery. And I find stem cells. And so I go down to Panama for the stem cell, Neil Reardon's stem cell Institute. He's like the godfather of stem cells. Yeah. That was my first first treatment. Amazing. Healed me together. I had inter-auticular and also intramuscular stem cells that then I was able to do as much of bands as I possibly could to kind of encase my shoulder in concrete. Right. Like I knew that capsule was probably stretched to torn. Why do you need the muscles to kind of? I had a full tear. I had a full tear. So I knew it was not going to just like grow back. Like stem cells are going to grow something that's not there. But all my other like my delts and also my other they have four rotator cuffs like and their muscles as well. I knew my other ones really need to be as strong as possible just to kind of like encase that thing in concrete so it wouldn't sublux again. It would sublux here and there but it did a lot better job of being able to like strengthen those. It sped up my recovery a lot. And even more so I met a very influential person at the Panama Instance place and he got into like testing cells over the world and we found out the bioboxelirator placed on a medine had by far the most powerful cells. The biggest competition out there actually their viability of their stem cells were zero compared to what a bioboxelirator was. Wow. So I knew that's where I needed to go. So from 2017 to the end of my career bioboxelirator held me together in multiple facets. My shoulders down there. My L4, my L5 disc were bulging and I had to get those like the reabsorbed which helped with that. And I had arthritis in my hand. Did they put you under and do the thing? Oh yeah. Yeah. That's the way to go because those interarticulars are not fun. Yeah. And then the soren as afterwards is no joke either. Yeah. You know like for a few hours afterwards you're like, oh this isn't so bad. And then the next day you feel like a truck ran over the older but then they absorb and they really get to work. From what I've been told maybe you can help me with this is that like usually if it hurts more after your injections because you have more inflammation there and it was like going and working and doing its job. Oh yeah. If you inject your knee which I've had a massive knee surgery too it was like very painful in my understanding was because it was working. It was doing that. Yeah. The more damaged, the more inflammation, the more inflammation, the more pain. So you know that's it's it's a great sign that it's working. It's just not fun to go through. Yeah. I had the same thing not quite to that extent at all but I had a torn bicep tendon not completely torn but it torn bicep tendon and I had it injected and we'd done a lot of injections in the NFL Alumni Association with professional athletes and they are game changers man. I mean I don't know professional athlete alive today that if they weren't facing a similar injury wouldn't be thinking about stem cells, exosomes, those kinds of things. And even things that didn't realize that we're going to come from it that happened too like again I wasn't treating my body the right way before I met Sam and I wasn't eating the right kinds of foods and so I'd have psoriasis outbreaks. Wow. I went down to a bio-accelerator and I got the IV stem cells like my psoriasis would go away. Right. Yeah. Because you know these are not to steal the podcast but they're our skin is not just a barrier. It's a gateway and we use the skin as a secondary route of waste elimination very often. I mean this is why you get the cold sweats. I mean when you're when you have a fever and you're and you're actually sweating sometimes you're actually freezing cold and you're still sweating. That's your that's your liver using the skin as a secondary route of waste elimination. And if you look at exosomes or isis there's certain classes of bacteria that are very often tied to being absent and people that have those and stem cells are excellent for those topical inflammatory conditions. Okay. Yeah so that's good. It has a systemic effect. Even if you inject it into the shoulder they're going everywhere. They're going into the bloodstream. They're going everywhere. You're breathing them out of your lungs are actually really good for your lungs. If you do an IV of stem cells about 80% of those or if you do exosomes will actually come out through the lungs. Okay. You'll breathe them out. And so it's really good for your lungs. Interesting. Which is a part of that competitive sport too. But so you get the stem cells you come back you win another champion show. Yeah I win the World title back. Yeah. Wow. With two blown shoulders. Yeah well yeah that was the first one and then throughout my second camp I tear my super. So for my super spinatus and both shoulders and a little bit of a partial laborum tear and bicep tendon tear a little bit of everything in my left and my right was a super spinatus. Just where it's always crank it and just do or wrestling grappling and jujitsu wrestling is always I feel like the sport that hurts me. It's a very intense sport. Mm-hmm. You get yourself into these leverage positions to where like striking doesn't do that to you. But jujitsu and wrestling do. And in the accident like I'll shoot a double leg and my arms over my head and guys sprawling on it and puts a lot of pressure on enjoying it's not supposed to move that way. Right, right. So yeah I mean just wear and tear from wrestling since I was eight year old through college and then you know more so as being a professional. Yeah. Listen, there's what I share on this podcast and then there's what I share with my inner circle. If you've been following me for a while you know how I hold nothing back here. 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And I wonder if you could talk about that a little bit like is it was that the, because your identity of inship from you were you worried about the public persona because you immediately took responsibility, owned up to it and, and stood tall and said, I'm not mad that I did it. Um, here's why I did it. And, you know, these are the rules of the game. And I violated the rules of the game. And I'm going to take this suspension and I'm going to come back stronger. But, but after that, I think you went, you went maybe to a dark place. Yeah. It was hard not to, you know, being a champion of the world was going to drop away class. So I was fighting 135s. I was going to drop to 120. I did drop to 125s to try to get a second belt. Um, submit my legacy, you know, make more money. All the dreams you're chasing. And I went full full blown anemic. Um, wow. Like I was my hematocrit was in the low 30s. Like I'd wake up. I'd be cold. I wouldn't want to train. I was like a fraction of myself. And so I started taking anemic medication, which in anemic medication has a rethrow poectin in it to help you produce more red blood cells and, um, was told that it would be out of my system in time. And no matter what, it was the wrong choice to do. What I should have done was back that of the fight. But again, my delusional optimism brain was like, no, I got this. I'm going to get it done. Like got myself in trouble. And, um, I just knew coming out and hitting it and admitting to everything I did was going to be the best for my overall health and my stress and my well-being to where if I feel like I was hiding from things, it was just going to pile on. Um, so I feel like just admitting to it was the best way to get it, get it, get it out to take an ownership and say. Yeah. But I did go to that very, very bad dark place. Like you said, my identity was like stripped for me and like everything that I had accomplished in the past, like that's the worst part of, of failing a drug test isn't the two-year suspension is that whatever one thinks the years beforehand got you there. Yeah. Like everything I did was just, like my mind destroyed. Like it was like, always been doing this whole career and the question. Yeah. And, um, you know, you saw it at a very good job and you saw it as very, very strict. They show up to your house at six in the morning all the time and drug test. Yeah, I got drug tested like, I don't know, almost a hundred times in a year because that was the champion. No kidding. Yeah, all the time. A hundred times in a year. I got drug tests and all these are like, uh, you can go and look them up and what they, what they, what they, like when you get tested, I would get drug tested days back to back. They did drug test me on Tuesday. Then they drug test me on Wednesday and you don't know. No, it's completely random. There's an app on my phone that's a tell them where I'm at 365 days a year. It could be Christmas and they can show up in drug test. You know, it hasn't happened, but they could, um, but they always collect an A and B sample. The A sample they test right then and there, the B sample they keep for any instances like mine that came back. And so I would enter drug tested since 2016 on. They went back and retested all my samples and to make sure that this wasn't happening beforehand. So even though they did that and it's public, it's like the public guy's going to beat you down for it, right? And that's the, but that's why it works, right? You know, I think she wanted to go through that. And it was a very, very dark place. Um, I'd say for the first like six months, I just wanted to like bury myself and like drink and like not have to think about it. Did you stop training? Oh, yeah. I got double shoulder surgery when I got suspended. Oh, so not only was it like, well, I got some time off. I'm not as well as you skid. What my dinner was tripped for me. I got surgery on my left, on my right shoulder and then eight weeks later, you got one on my left shoulder. I was able to get out of a sling. I got one on my left shoulder. So, you know, eating pain pills and being suspended wasn't the best choice, but I want to get back to being myself. Wow. Yeah. And, um, and so talk about the walk back because, you know, walking out of that, that whole, um, it takes, it takes a strong mental fortitude to be able to do it. Um, I feel like a lot of people maybe would have got broken and just did something else, but I think that mental toughness that has turned me into a champion has also got me back into the line. And I also, I also feel like I had to do it, right? Because I was being questioned so much. It was like, yeah, I have to come back. Like I have to come back and I'm, yeah, yeah. I'm so there's a little bit of that that fired me up as well too, like wanting my identity back, one of my self purpose back. Because two years is not that long of a time when you start thinking about dual surgery, shoulder surgery, if you stop training and let yourself get out of shape a little bit, maybe you were drinking, you were taking pain medication, you know, you're kind of a dark place, but then you have to, from that ground zero back into the octagon is not that long of a timeframe, maybe a year. Right. And so where was your family and all this like where they, like KTJ, it's okay if you don't want to go back, where's your wife, like your world champion? I want to support you all the way. Like what other support systems did you have going on? Or was this just all inside of TJ's head? It was inside of my head, but I do have a rock of a wife that is supportive. We've been together for 20 years now all through my wrestling career. She's seen like all of it. She knew my mind, said she knew I was, that was never a question that I was going back. That was, it was like she knew that right. Yeah. She knows my personality. She knows my mentality. Like I don't, I don't shut off. I don't, I don't stop. Right. So that was nothing, but she's always been a rock there to support me and that's awesome. That's what I felt the worst about my situation too was like not only that it affected me and how bad it hurt me, but it hurt my coaches. It hurt my family, it hurt my training partners. Like it gave them about it too. Yeah, yeah. Cause they're all on this journey with you too. Yeah. So the ripple effect of that was made me feel really, really bad as well too. And I took a lot of like extra just punishment on myself for that too, you know? But luckily I've had a great support system, great coaches, my family and my family is the most supportive family in the entire world. I mean, that's awesome. They live in Northern California, seven hour drive to Fullerton where I wrestled that. My dad would finish work a little bit or leaves a contractor, drive all the way down to Fullerton, wash me wrestle, drive home that night cause you didn't want to miss work the next day. How's that? Seven hours? So 14 total trip just to wash me wrestle a duel match. Oh my God. Yeah. My dad's got that's where I get it from. Like, yeah, my dad's a very intense hazardous hell. Yeah, hazardous. I see where the hazard comes from. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's a hazard on the road, even if you're sober. Yeah. So, so we'll brighten and mood now a little bit because I want to talk about, you know, the transition to where you are now. You know, I know, first of all, I know Dana thinks the world of you. That's awesome. And I think the world of Dana and, you know, he's actually doing a documentary, you know, with you. Can we talk about it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I was doing a documentary with you about, you know, life after fighting. Yeah. And I think this is awesome because I've always been, I've always watched those shows growing up like the one hit wonder and you're like, like, oh, yeah, I remember that song. You never heard from them again. And I, and, you know, professional athletes and, you know, actors, a list of those people that have been very, very in the public eye. You always do wonder what, you know, happened to them after, after achieving that level of fame, start and whatever you want to call it, notoriety. So what made you choose longevity, wellness, you know, supplements because I know you have, your undergrad was in kinesiology. You've talked about how you didn't learn anything there. You actually learned it in the real world. Probably learned most of it from Sam. You know, what, what was that direction about? I mean, what, what made you say, this is, this is the next career path for me. It's like, I'm just, I, I wanted to disrupt the supplement industry or I'm just not happy with what's out there. I'm starting to, you know, pull back the layers of, of what's really on the market. I realize how many charlatans and how much garbage is out there. And I want to change that game like what was that about? Yeah. I told you this when I first got here and started checking out your, I mean, I'm very jealous of your longevity. You have your own tools you have because I've been made fun of for what I have. I got a hyperbaric chamber, the red light, the song of the plants. I have it all as well too, but you just, you're blowing me out of the water. I was very jealous of it. And you, and you want to hydrogen nanobath today? I do. Yeah. I'm giving him a hydrogen nanobath. Oh, it's gonna be awesome. But something I've noticed in a totally from just training in my experiences that chasing peak performance and longevity go hand in hand. And if you treat the body the way that it was intended to be treated and you recover the right way, you eat the right foods, you supplement the right way, your performance is so much better. And the way you feel is so much better. And I noticed that by meeting Sam Calvita and training in his garage. And when I retired from fighting, it's a great story too. But at first met, Sam, he came to Vegas and I had all these supplements on the counter. And they were, and they were all garbage like someone I was sponsored by. And I'm promoting it. I'm just saying like, what do you mean these are bad? Is it stop taking these instantly? Yeah. It was like, what do you mean he's like, they're horrible for you. Like packed with sucralose and artificial sweeteners and things I didn't know about. Right. He made me throw all these away and turn me on to the good supplements that were made naturally and organic and things that I needed. I'm a whole style, my whole life changed me and Sam. And that was a big part of it. So when I retired and I had felt so much better from the training I did in the supplementation, I was doing. I knew that that's what I wanted to chase. That's awesome. When I retired, it was kind of like, what am I going to do now? Right? Like, same way as when I got suspended, it was kind of like my identity was taken away. Like, what am I going to do now? I needed to put my energy towards something and the lifestyle that I was living in longevity and health and wellness is what I wanted to continue in. And so that's where wild society nutrition started. Yeah. I love your stuff by the way, man. My son and I eat your rib eyes constantly, the dried rib eyes. Yeah, the cave man eats. Yeah, I take them on planes. I take them. I take them with me everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. So, and I tried them first of that Sproutscon when I when I mentioned Sproutscon and my son had been taking them for a while. He's like, Dad, you got to come over and meet TJ Jules Shaw and I knew who you weren't. And he's like, I've been eating this stuff. I love this stuff. And now I'm like, I love it too, man. I take another road. I love to hear that because that's why I built it. Not only, I mean, I built it for everyone, but also selfishly myself. Yeah. Right? Like products I wish I would have when I was competing to strive for peak performance are cave man needs that we're talking about is a 20 ounce grass fed rib eye in sea salt. That is so awesome. In a bag. Yeah, we slice it really thin. We air dry it. We put it in a five ounce bag and we said it's crazy. How well it's doing? Dude, it's it is. It really is. And I'm not I've got no affiliate link with you guys or anything, but I will tell you that they're they're amazing. Thank you. I mean, I'm talking about traveling. I mean, that's the selfish reason why I created them. Like I had to do a lot of traveling for business or when I was fighting and I can't eat it in an airport. No, no, no. There's no way. That's the most dangerous place in the world. It's insane. You know, like I can't buy a water that's not in the glotting and it's not in plastic. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy's trying to change that right now. He just got a lot of flack for it too. They just announced that they were going to add extra breastfeeding stations for women. They were going to play grounds in for kids to get the zoomies and airports and turn some of the bars into gyms and charred changing facilities and people would not. And I was like, dude, I would much rather fly next to somebody who had just had a workout in a fresh shower than some dude that had four beers and a basket of fries. Yeah. And you know, and if you're a breastfeeding mother, I mean, you got to go into a public restroom kind of hiding the stall right now. What I wouldn't we give extra places for that. 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You know, there's some of the soccer moms that I've had on my podcast have solved problems like Lyme disease and, you know, you know, on the journey with Jelly Roll and he conquered drug addiction and alcohol addiction and being 510 pounds. And this overwhelming sense of self-hatred. So what would you say is the problem that you saw that started this journey? Yeah. Learning that the products I was being paid to talk about on my social media and felt and I'm feeling really bad about it that I'm promoting something now that, and even after I found out about it, I was getting paid to talk about it. And I kept doing it because I was getting paid. And it's like, I felt so guilty about that. So then once I retired and I didn't have these sponsorships, it was like, I'm going to create something that I know is good for you. The reason why I rolled out into Sprouts versus World 2, like a lot of professional athletes will build the product. Again, I built these self-ashief for myself and we'll get into why I built them. But like, I wanted to roll out into Sprouts first because a lot of professional athletes will slap their face on a brand and then you can, and then release it on the website. I mean, I could be building this on my garage. Do you see anything happens in my, yeah, my space. A lot of people that I, some of them that I look up to, they get to the top of the mountain, they just become a prostitute for every product or service. Yeah. And then there's like, especially in the supplement industry, you could be building this product in your garage and selling it. Like the way that it's not regulated is insane. You were talking to me about protein powders at the Sprouts con. And I forget what you said to me, but I remember it blew my mind. I actually wrote it down. I meant to talk to you about it on the podcast and I forgot what it was, but it was about like the scam and how they can artificially inflate the protein content. Oh, yeah. You know, on the label, and I didn't know about that. Tell me a little bit about that because I found it fascinating. And how much is actually like usable and bioavailable and like it only like, you know, sometimes some of these product, like 20% what they actually is in the product. And until you're doing third party testing, what they say does not, like you have no idea what it is. Somebody's like, wow, it's 30 grams of protein. It's got like 10. Yeah. It's got. You know, and then there's a lot of that out there. So multiple reasons I built this is so chasing peak performance and simplifying some products. Sprouts was a great partner to partner with. I didn't sell one product online first. I went straight to retail. Well, that's what I went. That's a different strategy. Well, yeah, I went straight to Sprouts first, which obviously you're probably wondering how did you get them to carry your stuff just because your name? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The name and the marketing I was going to put behind it. And Sprouts is a great partner that is innovation center to where they give like new brands of chance because they are in tune with like what's popular right now. What's healthy for you? Yeah. My son sells this hydrogen tablets there. We met at Sprouts content. Yeah. And it was, I, that was the first time I had met a whole team. Yeah. You know, from behind Sprouts and they really do have an awesome team. And they're very intentional about what they're putting on their shelves for the, for the public, which I would like to. Exactly. Yeah, they're, they're, they're a great brand. I hope they continue to explore. Oh, they will. They're, they're growing really, really well. And the reason why I wanted to go into Sprouts is because they have a kill list of ingredients. You can't have within your product and live within their four walls. Wow. Like you can't have official sweeteners. You can't have preservatives, things like that that you want to avoid anyways. Mm-hmm. So you know when you're shopping at Sprouts, you're, you're shopping. Somebody is. We wish our FDA would do that for us. Exactly. Yeah. That's cool. And so that was, it, it bring, bring a lot of validity to what I was building. Rather than me just, my face on something so it's not online. I could be building my garage and who knows what's in it. Another point was that we went straight, third party testing from the get-go for every product we've made has been by informed choice, informed support. Mm-hmm. So you know that what's on that nutritional effects panel or something of the fax panel really is in there. Mm-hmm. And it would test all heavy metals, all that stuff, right? That's so good, man. And being as very transparent as possible. That means a lot, man. Yeah. Yeah. No, and it means a lot to the consumer. And I think, I think the, the general populace is becoming more woke to these things. I think the pandemic did us all a favor. Yes. You know, we realized, hey, maybe our governmental leads don't have our best interests at heart. And I think they do now in this current administration, but you know, in the past, maybe not so much. And also we just can't trust everything that we've read and hear out there. So I think people follow people and not brands too. So just knowing that your heart's behind this and you develop this as much for you as you did for them. In my seven year old son, like, you know if I'm giving it to my seven year old son? He's actually in the rib eyes? Oh, yeah. He's like, when I get it. So it's been hard for us to keep our caveman eats in the house because it's selling so much. Like, I have to stay in front of production and everything I'm building is going straight to sprouts like to our website. So when I bring a home, he, he smashes it and it's always been a battle to like, I'm really into my diet. I'm really into performance. And so it's always like I'm trying to feed my son the same way. And I was want to increase his protein content. He's growing really good for his brain. And it's like, that's the easiest hack for me is to give him caveman eats because he loves it and he'll mow it. And there's 95 grams of protein at one bag. That's so cool. Yeah, maybe that's going to be his nickname, you know, caveman Dillashall. There we go. He'll be the new guy. He'll be the new turn to the caveman. He'll have it as well. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. And so what's, what's like a typical now that you're more woke to longevity and wellness, you've got this brand out there, which I'm sure you're putting your soul into. Oh, yeah. What is it? What is a typical day? Yeah, I mean, you're clearly just keeping yourself in good shape. Yeah, I ran this morning. I can't. Yeah, you and I ran the same route. Yeah, we should have run into each other. I know. I can't not work out like it's my happy place. It's what I do. It's like, and now knowing about longevity and taking care of it to take care of yourself, it's being active is very, very important. So trying to squeeze that in wherever I can, you know, it might only be 30 minutes. I think I've heard you say this like snacking on exercise. Yeah. To where like, I might only have 30 minutes at lunch because I'm in between calls and like, I'll get a little workout in. Yeah. Or and I'll do multiple them throughout the day, but they're a little or maybe I'll just go for a walk after a dinner with my family, like finding little windows to be able to work out. Um, the where I used to that's all I did. Yeah. Right. So my life is very busy now. I remember towards the end of my career, telling my wife, man, it'll be nice to retire one day and live a normal life. You know, well, now I, I would go. Because you have C fire. I would, I would love to go back and kick people in the head again. It was way easier than it is running your own business and be a entrepreneur. You have to be very mentally tough, being a CEO and founder of your own brand and running it because there's fires every day you're putting out like you always feel like the company's on the verge of like being destroyed. You're like nervous about it because there's like logistics problems like showing up to sprouts and time or manufacturing problems and until you become completely, vertically integrating control pieces, you're relying on so many other people. Yeah. And the bulkets drop still your brand, though, man. And if my product doesn't show up and say my K mayonnaise doesn't taste the way that it's supposed to taste, that's on me, even though my manufacturer's won the mess it up. And like, that just like stresses you out to so much, you know, I told my kids early on, you know, because my son owns H2 tab, my daughter's launching a chemical-free skincare line. Awesome. My youngest wants to launch a chemical free active wear line, which I'm super supportive of. I mean, having my kids close proximity to me is the greatest blessing of my entire lifetime. I mean, there's nothing better than being best friends and kind of on the journey with your kids. So cool. And your son is learning more by observation than he is by what you teach and tell him, you know, his, their eyes are a lot more open to what you think and like seeing dad in the grind is that's, you know, that, that it's just going to get planted in the hands too. But, you know, I, I told him, you know, when they wanted to start their own business, I said, it's great. I mean, just don't start it for the wrong reason. Just remember, you're never going to own this business. It's always going to own you. Yeah. Because, you know, if you're a good entrepreneur, your reputation in that business means everything. Right. 100%. And so, talk to me a little bit about it, and it should be great for your business, you know, this documentary that's going on with, with, is it Paramount? It was, it was going to be released this year. But now with the whole Paramount deal, they're going to wait till next year. Okay. Just because it's on the shelf. It's on the shelf right now. It's already been recorded. They followed me around for like seven different days. Wow. All the way out to like meeting with venture capitalists in New York to SproutsCon, to going into Sprouts and going to manufacturing and show them how the process is made to formulations and my office at home, my office in Orange County, you know, filmed like all that. Um, this all started because Dana is an on very, very passionate entrepreneur. Like, I think that's his first love. I know he's got, you've seen everything, but like, he loves entrepreneurship and building something and making it, turning it into something successful. And we just got in touch. I probably stayed in touch with them more now since I've retired than even when I was fighting, um, and just kind of filling him in on what's going on with my brand and, um, it was a joke because I heard he was like teaming up with first form and, excuse my, excuse my language, but I said, you'll fuck first form. I was like, just joke. And I know while society's not big enough, yeah, but we did, we didn't send some numbers of the sales we did in April. And we're just getting started and like the same savage I was in the cage is the same savage I'm outside the cage. And I'm going to get this done. I'm going to make it successful and I'm going to turn the supplement industry upside down. Well, he loved it and resonated with him. He's like, this is awesome. Give me a great idea. And I was like, awesome. What's the idea? Ghost me for like two years. Yeah, he'll go to you. He'll be like, hold tight or something like that. And you're like, no, dude, I don't want to hold tight. My brain's going, he's like, I got a great idea. He's like, oh, maybe I'm an apartment with you. See this and that. Like, he ghost me for like two days and like 10, 30 at night, he calls me like two days later. He's like, hey, man, I want to create a documentary of what you're doing, what success looks like after retirement. And still being on that same grind that you were as a fighter now was an entrepreneur. And so that it's a film, they followed me around filming it, you know, and if Dana says it, it, it happens. He's not just like, yeah, I think we'll do this documentary. It sounds like a great idea. Kind of guy. He's like, oh, no, we're going to do a documentary where it's, I mean, it's happening. Yeah. He doesn't, the thing I love most about him, he's very black and white, like, you know, exactly where he stands. But talk about a guy whose word you could take to the bank. If he tells you that he's going to do something, there's a hundred percent chance. Yeah. We were sitting here at my kitchen table a few months ago. And with his daughter and my son was here and he started talking to my son, Cole, about the great world race. You know, he ran seven marathons on seven continents and seven days. And he was like, wait, what the fuck are you going to marathon in Antarctica and then Africa and then Australia? And he's like, what do you do documentary on this? He goes, do you want to do it? He want me to do it. And Cole goes, I want you to do it. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. He let him pick up the phone right then and call this team. And now it's now it's underway. Oh, it's so cool. He's, we're meeting with the documentary film crew. And yeah, he's, he's, he's either all gas or all brake. And there's no sort of in between. So that's awesome. And I think that's going to have a huge impact on your, on your career. It is just kind of shed light on what I'm building and why I'm building it. You know, I've always talked about like, I'm building products that I wish I would have had when I was competing. You know, like my concentrate started to grass fed and we added organic motion complex to it to deal with, I'm not only athletic ability, but reducing stress and cortisol. And my longevity protein that's, you know, got creatine, weight protein, isolates, collagen, lacto, fair and urethane. Like, and what? Listen to you, man. Yeah. I love this. Yeah. And just the reason why I created what I did and, and the benefits behind it and K. Mani's been able to take it on the road and like, most of the pro, like, I want a very high protein diet, you know, high protein, good fats, lower carbs, like good carbs. I, I, I've been wanting to put on size, but I'll put on lean size. Mm-hmm. And it's been fantastic for that. But most of my protein I get is from the food I eat. Why we created K. Mani's. 100%. I think you get it from all foods. Exactly. But it's nearly impossible sometimes when you're working harder, you're working out hard to, you know, get the nutrients you need right away, right? Right. So the, like, the longevity is the isolates we created. Like, I can drink them while I'm working out. And I get, you know, the rapid absorption of amino acids and proteins and things that I need for protein synthesis. And just thought about chasing world championships. And that's what Wildside Nutrition is. That's so awesome. Yeah. So where do you see this brand going? I'm going to continue the, you have an online presence now. Yep. You can continue to go after the retail channel. Yeah. I love retail, a specific channels too, like, especially around the natural sector. We're looking to roll out into whole foods here in the beginning of 2006. We're in sprouts. GNC's actually been a massive help for us as well too. GNC has trying to turn around what they've been known as in the past and only like putting out like weight gainers and products that have artificial, they still have that. Yeah, they went that long. To keep up on that. But yeah, so our, like, our longevity product is solely at GNC right now. Yeah. Because they want to hold longevity section. That's so. You know, they want people like the times are changing. Yeah, totally agree. People like you. People. Yeah. And they're educating, like me, educating me and educating the world on like what we should be eating and how we should be treating ourselves in nut GNC's like seeing that trend. Yeah, totally agree, man. I'm really excited for you. So I have a group of followers that call my VIP group and they're the only guys that I and women that I let know what guest is coming on the podcast before they come on. So I want to take you into a room with them. I do a private podcast with them. I want to, they have a whole list of questions for you. But if you're interested in becoming a VIP, just go over to the ultimatehuman.com forward slash VIP and you can sign up to be a VIP today. You get private podcasts. You get Q&A's with me. You get all of my protocols, including becoming the ultimate human version of yourself. And maybe I'll even negotiate a discount for for TJ's for for some of those young rib eyes. I love it. Yeah. But before before we go into that room, I always wind down all of my podcasts by asking my guests the same question. What does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? I've heard your podcast. I had a little bit time to think about this. What's coming? I did. I knew it was coming. But for me, it's the pursuit of excellence mentally, spiritually and physically. I just need to be chasing something. I need a sense of purpose. I know that sense of purpose, purpose keeps me going, keeps me motivating when I'm motivated for something like greatness can happen. And I want that excellence all the time. And I want that excellence to rub off all my son or my family and maybe people that fall along on my journey. Yeah. TJ, till a show, I wish you all the success, man. Thank you. You're moving the needle in this world. I really appreciate you coming on the old talk. This is amazing. And until next time, guys, that's just science.