Zach Braff Returns

Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Shepherd and I'm joined by Lily Padman. Hi. Do you wanna tell people about the housewarming card that Lincoln got you? Of course I do. She just brought it up on her bike ride in it. I did think it was so. Yes, it was the sweetest thing. She got me a card. She had it for like a year. Yeah. Which is so sweet. And she was holding it. The card itself says something like, congrats on your new pad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She has a frog on a Lily pad. And she added the Lily. She added Lily before pad. Yeah, yeah. And it's very cute. And she was explaining it to me on the bike ride. She's like, you know, cause her middle name is Lily. I'm like, uh-huh, I know I say her name several times a week, Lily. You do, indeed. And then Padman is like, pad's a Lily pad. Yeah, she also added man to the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Very cute, very, very sweet girl. Today we have returning doppelganger. It's doppelganger month. Zach Braff is an actor and a filmmaker, Scrubs, Garden State, A Good Person, Chicken Little, which I was here, and the reboot of Scrubs, which is, it's a good show. It's a great show. It's a great show. Monica's back. I'm back in. Having nostalgic feelings. It is on Wednesday nights on ABC and then airs on Hulu. Please enjoy Zach Braff. This episode of Armchair Expert is presented by Apple TV, the new US home of Formula One. Starting March 7th, you can watch complete all-access live coverage of every Grand Prix, including practice, qualifying, and sprints, all in one place. Watch every race live only on Apple TV. We are supported by HubSpot. Did you know that most businesses, Monica, only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Yeah, or a pain for a coffee that's one-fifth full. Point is, you miss a lot unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights, trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts, all that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. And when you get a full cup of coffee, you can do more too. But I digress. Visit HubSpot.com today. He's an up-chance man. He's an up-chance man. He's an up-chance man. How are you? I'm good to see you. I had a hunch you would wear a sweater, so I meant to go. Oh, you guys mean that? I'm sorry. I talked to myself over the phone. Good to see you. I haven't seen you guys since... We could talk about it. I don't want to waste it, but you didn't have a hedge when I was here last. Oh, God, no. It was April of 2018, which is crazy. Because don't you feel like we interviewed him much deeper into the show? I think I've only been here once. And we were joking about how it was smart of you to put down the hedges early, because it was going to be a while. Oh, yeah. And it was a while. I'll bet. You were like, I had the idea that we would just start the hedges right at the top. And save, you know, $700. Yeah. That's another thing. I could have gotten the 10 gallons, the 15 or the 30 gallons. I remember you were saying that you were like, you know what, I'm going to get the smaller ones. R.O.I. Wow, April, that means two months in. Wait, what year was it? 2018, which is only starting. That's where it started. This is only three months in. Wow. But I think I've registered that whole thing as like, you were going off to do a TV show about podcasting. That's what you were promoting. Was I promoting that? Yes. The fact that there was already a show being made about podcasting. But it was right at the top of things. Mm-hmm. It was based on startup. There was a podcast about a guy who was starting up a business and the business happened to be podcasts. Yes. It's based on a real story. It's the story of Gimlet or one of those. Exactly. Right? Yeah. I can't believe I just remembered. It's a very good memory. Podcasting was sort of new. Yeah. But you were at the forefront. I mean, Mark Marin was before you. You were at St. Chris Hardwick. Ana Faris. Yep. And then you were at St. Chris and of course, Rogan. There were already some Titans. But you really took off. A lot has happened since I saw you. Yeah, a lot has happened. A lot has happened. Look at this place. It's so fancy. I know. It was upstairs. There was no curtain on the bathroom door. That's right. You remember that? Yeah, we didn't have a door. We didn't have a door. It wasn't even the structure. Everyone had to look away with someone peed. That's right. We stepped out. We stepped out if we were being respectful. Okay. So do you have the same fascination as I do with watching us age? Like sincerely. You mean you and me? Yeah. I'm monitoring you more than anyone else in the world. I know, but you're really fit. So it's hard on me because I go, wow, that's what I would look like if I was ripped. And I see you sometimes and you're really looking good. You're keeping it tight. And I go, okay, well, I should go to the gym. And then I go to the gym and then I get in shape. And I go, well, if I get it in too much shape, this whole exact, exact thing is going to be even worse. To point out, though, maybe we ride out on a whole new wave of it. So at both times I'm like, yeah, you and I definitely looked a lot more similar when we were younger. Yeah, I think so too. And also I'm shocked with how different I look. I watch the parent who is my kids and I'm like, I look so different. It's crazy. We do still, I don't know how often it comes up in your life, but it comes up in my life once a week at least. I think you're out in the world a little more than me because I work in the backyard. Right. You don't leave your property. Yeah. And you're unfet to rap being, you have an opportunity for more of that. You text me, which feels impossible to believe, but please tell me. I have to tell you the story. I have to start off with the story because, you know, I text Dax when this happens, when it's a funny one. Sure. Because a lot of times they're just kind of like, Dax, love your work. That's not worth texting Dax over. But Donald Faizon, my partner in crime, and I were in Las Vegas, we're 50 years old. We don't party much anymore, but we went one night in Vegas. We were throwing a couple back and we're playing craps and we were winning and we're just having the best time. We have enough booze in us to decide we should go to the club. The night club. The night club. I forgot what it's called, but the chain smokers are playing there. Oh. It's enormous. It's like indoor, outdoor, thousands of people. Wow. And we go with a group of people and it's fun and we're having the best time. And as we work our way to someone's booth, I lose Donald and I'm like, oh, shit. I don't want to be in this place alone at all. Yeah. You start feeling very self-conscious, right? Self-conscious and I'm also like, I wasn't going to be here long anyway, but if my boy just left, how long am I really going to... Your age starts hitting you really quick in that situation, right? I definitely wouldn't do a second night in Vegas. Bill Lawrence always said, I never had a good second night in Vegas. So we're there and I'm like, did he leave me? Like how fucked up would it be if you'd left and I'm here? I don't know any people in this booth. Starting to get insecure and I look up and in the DJ booth. Now mind you, thousands of people, but the DJ booth that this club is in the center of the thing and it's indoor, outdoor, it's enormous. And I squint and I see Donald in the DJ booth. Absolutely. If I did that, wasn't your where to look first? It kind of shocks me with how long you guys have been friends. I love him, but I don't know if you call it Irish Exeter, French Cabaret or whatever you call it. I had a feeling like maybe he did that. Okay. I know him very peripherally. My first thought would be, I bet Donald's in the DJ booth if I can't find him. Back in the day, he was the guy at the club. Okay. But now he never leaves the house. So this was a big night for us, but I kind of, I talked him into going to the club. I was like, come on, we have a buzz in Vegas. Let's go to the club. So anyway, I see him and he sees me and he's gesturing me to come. I work my way up there. And just as I get into the DJ booth, I'm grabbed by the shoulders by Michael Fassbender. Oh, which pause right there. I've never met him. I've completely adored him physically. I think he's so gorgeous in his body. So beautiful. He's a beautiful man. His penis was nice and shame. I don't remember his penis and shame. I don't remember him peeing in front of us. I remember that shame had penis in it. I just don't recall the specific penis. Oh, it's gorgeous. It's exactly what you think. Oh, of course. This is where you two differ. You remember and you don't remember me. Well, we both can say we appreciate him. Sure, of course. Yeah, male bodies. So what does he look like in person? He's very handsome and he grabs me and before I can say anything, he says, I love you. And I go, oh my God. He goes, I love your work. I love everything that you do. He goes, the shit you make is fucking awesome. I wish we could work together. Oh. My ego is like here. Stop. I'm now having the experience you had just now real time. I want to give it to you. I just texted you and Donald's looking at me like, Proud boy. Like, yeah, boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he goes, I mean fucking chips, dude. Stop. I just felt my heart sink because now not only is it about dachs, but I don't know how to get out of this encounter. Exactly. What do you do? It's so cringe. I have a patch real quick. Fuck. It is also incredibly likely he has conflated you and I into one person. He also loves garden states and scrubs and he just happened to land on chips as most recent. I mean, truly. Maybe. I don't know. He might think we're the same person. I never got that far. What happened was, I think he had a few too in fairness. Sure. Well, everyone's at a nightclub in Vegas. It's the Mellonite in Vegas and he's lovely and I love him still. I love you still. I'm sure he watches your podcast. He's your biggest fan in the world. So anyway, fast manner. My goodness. I'm flattered. So he goes, chips and then Donald being like my wife wing man's like, no, man, this is Zach Braff. No, no, no. I would just walked away. I would have been like, oh, thank you. Chips is the best. But his face dropped as embarrassing as it was. And then he starts to kind of back away like, oh man, you guys had the best night. And Donald goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You come back here like a proud wife. Yeah. This is Zach Braff. Do you not know? I don't know. You've never seen Garden State? I don't know. The Bones. Donald starts listing my credits. You've never seen a good person and you've never seen the last kiss and scrubs and all these things. Full IMDB resume. And he's just nodding and nodding. And then I'm like, Donald, let's set him free, please. And he backed away. And that was it. But I didn't even make it out of the club. I was so embarrassed. I kind of just had a moment and I texted the DAC. I was like, it is important for you to know how much Michael Fassbender loves chips. Wow. That's such a good story. Oh my God. But it's the worst though when it's like your heart. I mean, yes, because we both would love his approval. Of course. Oh my God. It's one thing when it's someone on the street, of course we look like, I go, oh, thank you. No, no, no, that's DAC Shepherd. I'm Zach Braff. And that happens all the time in New York. I'm walking around. But this was like an actor. I really would love to want to work with him. I'm rattled right now because I don't know any of those details. But why don't you make a chip sequel with Michael Fassbender? The name of the curb. Phil Michael but a Fassbender. Yeah. Oh my God. That's funny. That's heartbreaking. Well, I can't believe Donald corrected him. That's an interesting choice. I wouldn't have gone there. That's a really good friend. I never do it. And if I ever do it, I'm always so kind. Oh no, you're thinking of DACs. We look alike. I'm Zach. I'm a comfortable dancer. I'm a nice guy. I'm interested. But Donald was like, you get back here, Mr. Fassbender. You're going to be educated. In the DJ booth. You know what sucks? It's like you feel embarrassed in that moment. And you shouldn't feel embarrassed. He should feel embarrassed. Because he makes the mistake. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. the Carvana commercials. I knew that it wasn't about this particular gal. I love your Carvana commercials. And you're like, no, T-Mobile. This is where I would have been embarrassed. The same thing happens, right? Fastbender says, I love you, I want to work with you. And then he says, I'm so excited. I heard they're relaunching scrubs. Right. What would happen for me is I would have been ashamed that I got excited and it wasn't for me. That's what it would be. That's what I feel. I mean, if I'm being fully honest. Yeah, right. I would have been like, oh, I feel so good. Now I can met a cognition my way into knowing that I shouldn't have any of those emotions. I would like to get over it because it's so silly. I had this at the Netflix party after the Golden Globes. Did you get mistaken for somebody? Well, sort of. OK, I don't know if I should say who it is because she's so nice, but Claire Danes. Oh, OK. Who we did interview. So this is where things get very tricky. I don't know. But she was like, hi. I was walking by and she was like, hi. She stopped me to say hi. OK, so yeah, just hold on. So I said, hi. Oh, it's so good to see you. I can't believe you remember me. I said that because I was like, we interviewed her so long ago. And I honestly was like, just very impressed. I was like, good for you for remembering me. And then she was like, yeah, of course. I just talked to blah, blah, blah. I was like, oh, no. Oh, I have no idea who you're talking about. Yeah. But you don't think it was like Mindy or you think it was an Indian confusion. I mean, I assume whoever she's thinking about is probably Indian. I don't know who. But I just said, oh, yeah, yeah, it was really good to see you. I'm just heading to the bar. She's like, great. Have a good night. I did on the other side of it myself. I mean, of course. Can you recall exactly who you did? Frank Grillo and John Bernthal. Sure. We love John. Absolutely. I love them both. And I made a mistake to Frank Grillo, who's a lovely actor. This is very cringe. And I said, you're killing it on the bear. OK. Oh, yeah. And did he correct you? He did the same thing I did with a bit of a wince. Yeah. Oh, no. Look, it happens. I've done it too. Yes. But I'm sure I'm not the first person to confuse those two guys. Super masculine, very talented, tough, great bodies, similar vibes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What should be comforting is I too have fucked up and I beat myself up over the time I misidentify somebody way more than when it happens to me. I still think about the Grillo thing when I'm in the shower. Like, if you're comparing that to fast, spend a right, we would probably give the fast, and are a four and that an eight or something. But it became a great story because I'm able to tease myself about it because it was such a funny moment. The fact that Donald was like, not going to let him slide. The fact that he was the proud wife that was going to be like. Listing my credit. You come back here. That is sweet. You get to know him. I can't say any of the names. But I will tell you that I was one time doing a movie. There was an older actor in the movie. It was reshoots the night before we had gone home. Chris and I, we watched a certain movie. We came to set the next morning. The older actor said, what did you do last night? I said, we watch this movie because, oh, my God, I watched that movie too. I then said, oh, my God, I don't know why people are obsessed with that movie. It's such garbage. I don't know why it's blah, blah, blah. And I can sense from the people around me, this is uncomfortable. I've clearly stepped in it. And then I quickly remember, oh, this person also produces. And I said, oh, my God, did you produce that movie? And he said, no, I directed it. And I would he say to you, I watched that. There was a little bit of a trap, but let's leave it. I'll just own my stuff. I tried to make it better. I buried myself worse. And then at the end, I just said, for what it's worth, you'll probably forget about this in a couple of weeks. And I'll be thinking about this for the rest of my life. And it is so true. I'll just randomly believe I am better. Be like, I cannot believe I said that directly to someone's face. And it just proves the lesson I hadn't learned yet, which is I don't need to ever say bad stuff about anything. Like I could just tell you the things I love. You don't need to hear what I hate. I don't do that anymore either. Do you find when you were younger, like I did it when I was younger. Oh, yeah. And Donald and I were doing our own podcast, a rewatch of Scrubs. Yes, we watched every single episode of Scrubs and then would chat about it for an hour and a half. How many episodes were there? I don't know, like 200 or something. We should look it up, but 150 at least. Because you were doing 20 a year, right? Back in the day, we were doing like 18 to 20 or so a year. 182. 182. He's good. He's the best. Wobby Wob. So we watched them all and it was fun. We did it during COVID over Zoom. It was like something to do and have a laugh. And then it got really popular and people really liked it. I caught myself early on when you're just chatting with your buddy. I'm sure you guys know this. You're going to say, oh, I hated that or I hated this. And I stopped myself. I was like, I don't want to spread negativity about anyone's creativity. Occasionally, something would slip in and be like, you guys like that movie. But it was mild. I tried to be careful about not talking down on the giant microphone about anybody's work. Yes, you're operating under the false illusion that it's not going to get to them. But in modern day, everything gets to everybody. I try to remember that when I read something shitty about myself, I'm like, oh, that person, he didn't think I was going to get it. And they might not even stand by it today because you're just in a mood that day. And I was annoyed last night and this happened. And then two days later, I might be like, I don't even have that opinion. There's enough people putting negative shit out there in the world. OK, so you and I have now had a bunch of weird fun overlaps other than just looking similar. Yes, we've both been in the cheaper by the dozen franchise. I didn't think of that one. Yes, yes. That's my very first on a screen in a movie theater experience. The up for 12 seconds. Not fancy in the movie theater. OK, but I'm sure your role was a lot better than mine. Yeah, I had a fun making that. We did a remake of it for Disney with Gabby Union and me having a mixed family. It was fun. Yes. So we're in that universe. Yes. And then we must talk about Panae for a second. Yes. So, you know, Andrew Panae is in my top three best friends of my life. I didn't know that. You didn't know that. No, I know that he mentions you a lot. Your audience has to explain who he is because they won't have any clue who he is. Well, we do talk about him quite a bit. So, yeah, he produced Wedding Crashers originally, and then he produced a movie that I was in Employee of the Month. And then we've done four or five other things. And then he produced all three of the movies I've directed and were like inseparable soulmates. He's the nicest guy in my world. He produces all the T-Mobile commercials we do. Yes. And I think it's really interesting that he hired you instead of me, his best friend, who seemingly looks identical. Well, you know what happened with those? It's interesting. There's a guy who is partner, Brian Clugman, who writes all the spots. He's sort of the Don Draper of T-Mobile. Those big spots that we make, we shoot full spec versions of them beforehand. T-Mobile ads are made in a really unique way. Most people don't know this. So, for example, the Jason Moa one, which was probably the biggest one with the Super Bowl that we did, we don't just like submit copy to T-Mobile and go, hey, what do you think of these storyboards and this idea? That's the normal way it's done. We shoot full on with iPhones and props and a couple of people helping us. We shoot the whole spot in my backyard. OK. So in that case, we wouldn't have had Jason Moa, but in post, we'll put like a giant Jason Moa head on a double whose body it is. And then we'll move the mouth like South Park. But like we shoot and edit and do all of the sound effects and everything and fully make a realized iPhone version of it. And then we send that in as here's what it'll be. But is that not the first one came to be? Actually, the first one I ever did, Donald and I ever did was a Super Bowl ad and they didn't use us. They ended up using famous football players. And I was sort of bummed. These are called for people who don't know it's a speck ad, meaning no one's bought it. You're doing it as a speculative thing with your own money. In this case, Pinaise and Brian's Company. But it's a great sales tool because the creatives that people make the decisions, as long as they can say, OK, this is an iPhone zero budget version. Let me see what it looks like. If they can use their imaginations, they're seeing what it looks like. And then imagine it with not a bobblehead, Jason Momoa, a real Jason Momoa. Yeah, I imagine it with real effects and imagine it lit. So the very first one, sorry, rambled, we did one in my backyard and then they ended up being two famous football players. So I was sort of bummed. Little did I know that it would come back around in such a huge way that now we're their partners. How many years ago was that Super Bowl one? We didn't do this year, but we've done the last four or five years. Yeah, I feel like you've been doing it for a good five plus years. Yeah. Do you know how many spots off the top of your head that you've done? I don't know a lot. But I'll tell you this, they're made in such a collaborative, fun way because Brian Klugman will just be brainstorming. We were on the set of making one of them and he's like, oh, I'm so stressed. I got to do Christmas spots for these guys and I haven't really come up with anything yet. And we're just sitting there, a group of us, four people, just Donald, Pinae, Brian, myself laughing. You know, Nate Tuck? Of course. Nate Tuck's my oldest friend in LA. I really didn't clock how close you were with this posse. Oh, yeah, yeah. My kids call Pinae Uncle Christmas. We got to talk about his outfits. We could do three hours on his office. Every time I'm with him, I take photos so I can bring back to show the girls. On your podcast, can you put up an image of someone? We should. Yes, we will. I feel like on the video, you should put up what he dresses like. Yes. Can I just tell you, I met him for a meeting for the employee of the month. And I walk into his office and he didn't have the funds yet, but he still had the style. So he was like in true religion genes, but they were bedazzled. And he was wearing like a half shirt, like a middrift. I had never met him. And I was like, wow, this dude's a lot, huh? But then within four seconds, I'm like, oh, this is the sweetest guy I've ever met. And I got comfortable with it. And then I came to really enjoy how playful he was with his clothes. But now he's got money and it is the most exciting. I've never seen anything like it. The closest comp I can give your audience is. Number three. Lip. Sorry. Liberace. Yeah, Liberace. It is diamonds like I've never seen in real life. Yeah, yeah. It is furs. Yes. It is a white t-shirt that's ripped. It is Louis Vuitton or Gucci boots that make him like six inches taller. Simmons style. He's like Gucci or Louis Vuitton boots. Yes. A lot of pink. There's an entourage around him. Great crew around him. He has a whole posse that moves like the show entourage. That's not something I've really seen in real life. I mean, I know it exists, but I haven't really been around those people. He's someone who lives that kind of life. But it's really important to say with no entourage, douchiness, just kindness, sweetness. He's kind and lovely. Any champions. Interesting. We're both examples of it. When he likes someone, he really champions them. Oh, yeah. He'll die for anyone he loves. Also, I'll add he's a Greek kid from Sunland who had a big afro when he graduated and just wanted to play baseball and has never drank in his life. He's so PG and so sweet and so earnest and he's tried so hard. He runs 16 miles a day and takes calls while he's running. Nate told me the best story. So yes, anytime you're talking to him, likely he's running up a hill. He's pretty good at not letting you know. He keeps his breathing in check. But Nate was on the phone with them. It's a pretty important call. I think he had clients on the calls. Well, it was a big conference call and all of a sudden he heard. Sorry, but sorry, but just got into ice bath. So I mean, he's in 16 miles and now he's entering into an ice bath. I mean, he's the most eccentric, wonderful person and just the sweetest human I've ever met. He's the reason he and Brian Klugman. I want to tell you about how we come up with the ads. We were shooting one and Brian says, oh, I haven't thought of Christmas spots yet. Someone in the group says, oh, you know, it'd be funny to do like a spoof of love, actually, with the cards at the door. Yeah. And he goes, that could be funny. Well, why don't we shoot a speck of it right now while we're here? Yeah. So he has a PA grab the cards at the end of the day. We do one take, two cameras cross shooting of the messaging that they want for Christmas on the cards. We never say a word. They love it. We have a proof of concept. We come back a few months later and shoot the real thing with fake snow on the ground. But that's why it's such a fun thing to be doing because it's very, very collaborative. You know, you hear this thing with the ad market. I think this is most people's experience is like, just do this, do these storyboards. And if it's not funny, you're kind of cringing. Our thing is the opposite. It's like, what would you say? What do you want to say? Rift 10 things? Yes, I was going to say, I think we'll see other actors go wrong in these commercials is probably they're not writers or they're not improvers or they're not directors. So they're relying on the entire machine that is Madison Avenue. I don't know that they're great at writing to actors in the way like we could agree. Great television show runners. There's not a ton of them and their gift is they can write to you to make you shine. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. And it's such a rare ability. So I think when Chris and I have been approached, both campaigns we've done that starts with like, hey, I'll have to write them. We'll get the concept done, but it'll have to go through my fingers so that our voices are correct. And it kind of starts with that agreement and everyone's been cool about it. I had a friend who's going to do it out and she sent me the copy and she goes, hey, can you help me? I'm like shooting this tomorrow. And I was like, oh, no. Yeah, no. I used to direct them, too. I've done a couple. And did you like I stopped? Terrible. I stopped doing it. It's demoralizing. And unlike my T-Mobile experience, which has been awesome, it was not collaborative. They really just wanted me to execute the storyboards. And I was like, well, then why am I here? A lot of people can execute these storyboards. I want to bring something to the table. I want to bring something to the table in descending order. Film is the director's medium. Television is writer than director. The TV spots are the client, the ad agency, the this, the that before gets the director. Earlier on in my career, I loved it because I was not getting any budget for my work. So it was fun to have a big budget and to hire the coolest cinematographers in the world because they all do commercials. So you can hire these bad SDPs and work with them and hopefully develop friendships with them. And I'm a camera geek, so playing with all the cool camera toys. But then I really got over it because I was like doing this. It's not fun. And it's very stressful. There's way too many emails. Too many emails and then on set there's like 55 people that got a sign off and everything that happens. Yeah, I went to Mdax was directing. As a favor. I want to add that. As a favor. And you were getting so mad. And I was like, be nicer. What if these people listen to the podcast? People had joined via Zoom from another state. Of course, because that's what they do. They didn't get their day on their shoot. So they lost their day because of this racket. And then I was asked by my wife, can you save this thing and direct this in our house and get the piece we didn't get? And I go, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Can't wait. Do it. Well, now this group that already derailed at the first time are now on a Zoom call. And I just very bluntly said, hey, you guys lost your day. And I'm not here to make you happy. I'm here to give you this thing that you guys lost yesterday. So that was my attitude. The monocle is very upset. Well, it's good that Monica keeps you in check. It's good to have someone whispering in your ear like, hey, you're being a dick. Yeah, you have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very easy to lose track of that. I've never been a dick on a TV show I've directed or a movie. Are you amazed at how many people are? Yeah. You know, Bill Lawrence, who's my mentor, I was a waiter when I got scrubs and he ingrained in the sets I've been on my whole life that no asshole policy. The Dolly Grip might have a better joke than you do. Don't have an ego about it. Yeah. You know, that's the vibe of the sets we run. The insecurity it has sometimes created in me is I'm on a set or more often I hear a story about a really great director and what they did and how they treated everyone. In the past, I've been like, am I never going to direct blank because I'm not a fucking asshole? Can you only get this level of movie by being a tyrant? No. I don't think that, but there's been times where I think it's about having courage because sometimes I find myself directing somebody huge and I go, it's take five. We got to look at the time. Are you going to have the balls to go? Hey, man, we don't have it yet. We got to keep going. Yeah. That's where I have to give myself a pep talk and be like, come on, don't be a wimp. Go have the difficult conversation to push this person because a year from now when this comes out, they're going to be so stoked that even though it was the middle of the night and they were cranky and everyone's cranky and it's raining that you pushed them. Okay. So you did one episode of Ted Lasso. Yeah. And you've done five shrinkings. I've done five shrinkings. I just did two roosters, which is the new Corel show with Bill. How did those experiences differ? Lasso was crazy because I was dating Florence at the time and I was over in London and Bill said I've got this new show with Sedeikis and it's going to be great. And do you want to direct the second one of all time? If you remember, it was one about the biscuits. Yeah. And I said, yeah, that should be fun. I like Sedeikis. He's hilarious. And from over here anyway, I'd love to work with you. I directed it. It was a lot of fun. I'm not really into sports. So I thought, I bet people who like soccer will like this. I mean, it's cute and Sedeikis is very funny and Bill's great. And then I left. And then it came out and it was insane. What happened? It's still insane. If I go to Apple, I'll notice it's still always in the top three, often in the top two. And a new episode hasn't come out in years. It just became a phenomenon. Yeah. All those guys became famous and what's happened to Brett Goldstein is incredible. And I just met them all when they were all completely unknown. Yeah. Second episode is tricky. Second episode is tricky because the pilot of Lasso had a lot of pipe to lay out. It had a lot of story to conquer. And episode two of the Biscuits was the one where Bill and Jason were going to show you, oh, we're also going to break your heart. Also just establishing the tone of the show going forward. It's like, we established all the characters. Now we're going to show you what the vibe going forward is. Yes. That really was two. And also it was the first one with gameplay, which was funny because the Greensman on the field were so protective of the pitch and they wouldn't let us bring equipment on it. So I had to, as someone who's not into sports, figure out how the hell we're going to shoot soccer without being out of the field, bringing gear on the field. So we've built this rig. Have you ever seen the things they bring on the beach that are the big inflatable tires on sets? Yeah. So the key grip and the dolly grip and the DP and myself, we all collaborate on this thing. It had big inflatable tires, almost like something you'd see on the moon. That with a remote head on it. And then it had a pull bar and the grips would put cleats on and they would run with it. Uh-huh. And those tires, they accepted as light enough and the cleats were, of course, fine. And then the DP would operate the remote head on the sideline. So we kind of came up with this really cool rig and that's how soccer was shot the whole show. That stayed with the show. Yeah. Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare. Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Apple TV, the new U.S. home of Formula One. You can now watch complete all access, live coverage of every Grand Prix, including practice qualifying and sprints all in one place. I will be consuming all of those things, Monica. I know you will. I kill for Friday to start watching practice one, following it in on a sprint weekend. 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Shrinking season one, episode eight was the one for those who know the show where the centerpiece of the whole show is that Gabby goes to her ex-boyfriend's art show. That was my first entry into the shrinking world. How was it directing Harrison Ford? Talking about the intimidation factor, if someone might not be getting it on Take Five. Yeah, him and Morgan Freeman and Michael Cain. I've had a couple of experiences with these mega guys. Yeah, scary. And it's scary. Being Morgan and Harrison, everyone is weird around them. Yes. Everyone is weird around them. I was driving in a golf cart with Harrison around the Warner Brothers lot and there's constant trams of tourists going by. And he just gently turns his head the other way. And I go, do you ever wave? And he goes, no. But I do feel bad about it. Would you have to understand that no one in their life, except maybe their loved ones, is normal to them. I know. So what they long for, I've deduced, is someone to just act like you don't give a fuck. Yeah. And they rude way, of course, a respectful way. But that wins them over real quick. I had to give myself pep talks. I had a tricky time with Alan, rest in peace, brilliant actor, but he was the trickiest for me. But Morgan and Michael Cain were really, really lovely. And Morgan so much that when I offered him a good person, a movie that was my own script with Florence, he said yes. And we had a really good experience making that. But he is gruff as hell. And he really only wants to work in the morning. And he really kind of only wants to do one take. Yeah, he said that. After you go cut on Take One, you go, great, everybody, that was awesome. Let's go again. You hear why? I don't know. I respect it. Why? Why? For fucking 25 days, every setup. John Doe has the upper hand. Why? And what would you say to him? I'd be like, Morgan, that was Take One. You were great, obviously. You're never bad. But, you know, we got to figure some things out. The camera didn't get the right position and there's something going on with the background. And I want to put this lamp over here and it was Take One. And I'm like, OK. And then, you know, throughout the course of the day after lunch, he was an older man and he was getting tired. So that was the first example of I was intimidated and I had to give myself a pep talk. It's why we're talking about I'm not an angry director. I don't yell at anyone. That's not my vibe. But I do have to go if you're a wimp now and don't have the courage to go tell Morgan, even though it's three in the morning and we're outside and it's cold, that we got to go again with the crying scene. He's going to be mad at you a year from now. We're showing this movie and the scene doesn't work. So that's my responsibility. And with Harrison, I have that too. If people always go, how are you directing them? You're not teaching a you're not teaching a brilliant actor. What you are is steering the ship and you're going, Harrison, because the scene before this X, Y and Z happened, should we do one where you're a little more angry? I think maybe we should nine times out of ten. He'll be like, absolutely. You're right. That's good. That's good. Yeah. I'm the conductor of the orchestra. I'm not the greatest first violinist in the world. You are. But if I ask you to play that note a little bit louder, it's because I'm thinking of the whole thing and we shoot movies out of order. And you might not be thinking of the scene. You weren't even in the scene before this when we shot it. We went to here. So this scene needs to be here. It helps, though, because once you've had the courage to do that with Harrison Ford and Morgan Freeman, I feel like it can do with anybody. It's the ultimate swimming with weights on. We just had Sterling K. Brown on and he said, you can't be a fan and in the game at the same time. And I was like, that's a perfect way to say it. You can't be like, I love him so much. I can't tell him what to do. It's like, no, you're the coach of the game. And they don't want that. I just had the really cool experience. Harrison Ford interviewed me for Interview Magazine. Oh, no kidding. For this scrubs rollout. And it was very trippy because my interaction with him on set is chummy. But, you know, he's Harrison Ford. I never thought he would ever say yes. They said, who do you want to interview for Interview Magazine? They usually pair you with someone. And I said, well, maybe Brett Goldstein will do it because he's a buddy of mine and he's an actor, director, writer. That would be a good match. And I was like, I don't know, ask Harrison Ford kind of sarcastically. And then Harrison said yes. Oh my goodness. So it was very cool to turn into more of a conversation. But I got to ask him questions that I'm not asking him when we're sitting around on set in the director's chairs. Yeah. I asked him, what do you like from a director? What's most helpful to you? He was saying a lot of the same things we're saying. Like, I'm not always keeping track of where we are. I need you to remind me where we've come from and where we're going. I personally had wished some people had phrased that to me that way. At times, I think it would have been helpful because I take it as like, I've done something wrong in this moment as opposed to I need your help with this broader story that's just so helpful to me when I was younger and super insecure on set and we're going again. But I don't know why and I'm thinking something I'm doing wrong. And it's like, oh, no, no, it's nothing you're doing wrong. It's like, also, we got to service this huge story. I might even be asking you to do something that's not as true just to service this bigger story. I might also not know yet. That's something that takes being 50 years old is to go. I also might not know what the answer is yet. Would you help me find it by going again and trying one like this? Because then at the monitor, I might go, oh, Eureka, that is what I was looking for. Yes. OK, so another thing that happened, and this is a moment when I text you, which is you popped up on Bad Monkey Season one. And I thought you were so great. Thank you. Immediately text you like, oh, my God, I love seeing you as this fucked up, disheveled train wreck. I feel like everyone was talking about it. It was really bizarre. I never get parts like that. Right. I would love to do more drama like that. And Bill, of course, is my biggest champion in my whole career. And he said, hey, do you want to come down and do some scenes with Vince Vaughn in Miami? And I was like, that sounds great. Same pitch. Yeah. He's been using that pitch, I think. That sounds great. No, I think once he knew you were a fan and he loves you, he was like, that's got to really fuck people up when you show up in Bad Monkey. They're going to be like, he's back. But again, it's so similar because I got to say, I hadn't seen you act in a while. You know how this is. I don't get offered parts like that. I don't come to mind for people out of part like that. Yeah, like a fucked up degenerate. A degenerate drug addict who's going to saw somebody's arm off. Do you remember when Albert Brooks was in Drive and he was the bad guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was fucking brilliant. Yes. Not that I was playing that much of a heavy or that big of a part, but that's what I kind of was thinking of. So Bill gave me this opportunity. I did it. It was fun. Did you have any anxiety about it? Not doing the part. I felt confident that I could do the role. I was intimidated by Vince just because I never met him. He's a legend in my eyes. Swingers was a pivotal moment in my life. We all wanted to be Vince. I wanted to be Vince Vaughn. And then there was a movie after called Made that I don't know if a lot of people saw, but I loved. I just thought he was one of the funniest improvises. Actually, watch if someone listening hasn't seen made the blooper reel with him and Favreau is even funnier than the movie. Yes. Talking about the per diem. Yeah. Because Vince is just riffing and Favreau cannot keep a straight face. It's so funny. I always laugh at people trying to hold together. Have you seen that movie? I haven't. I'm gonna. They're both dipshits and they get sent to New York on this mission. Vince does not know what per diem means, but they're trying to act like they've been there done that. And so the guy's trying to like tell me you're going to get this pretty. And they're just trying to bullshit their way into figuring out what the per diem means. It's so brilliant. Subtle. The blooper reel shows you how Vince works. See him in live time, figuring out the best way to do the joke. But Favreau keeps ruining the takes. Favreau is the director. And he keeps ruining the takes because Vince is so funny. I had a funny moment in Bad Monkey. I had to play a corpse in one scene. Yeah. Sorry, spoiler. They put the makeup on me and I'm lying in a morgue drawer. And Vince and his scene partner have a scene over me and he just starts riffing. The funniest shit that's not in the script. And Bill is like, bro, we have to fucking do VFX on your body because your shoulders are bopping. The corpse cannot help but laugh. He's brilliant like that. So anyway, I did it and I didn't think about it again. Although it's funny. I did have an experience with Vince where we were all going out to dinner. I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to hang out with Vince Vaughn and Andrew Watt was down there. Andrew Watt is like one of the biggest music producers around. And he's Bill's daughter, Charlotte's fiance. Oh, OK. So he was down there and we all went out and Bill wasn't there. But we were all out going, oh, my God, I can't believe we're all hanging out with Vince Vaughn. This is a dream. And then Vince is like, should I come back to your guys place because we were all living in this condom? We were like, yeah, that'll be awesome. Hey, man, Andrew, we're just throwing him back. You know, I don't drink like that anymore. Hey, man, Andrew, we're just throwing him back on the balcony. Yeah, big guy. I'm sure he can handle it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the biggest fucking case of Corona's you ever saw. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm hanging out with Vince Vaughn. Oh, my God, I'm hanging out with Vince Vaughn. Oh, my God, our Vince fan and Andrew Watt can drink all night long on the balcony. What are you going to do? You're just going to have to suck that one up. I did. I disappeared. Recuse yourself. I recused myself. And I put earplugs in. They drank to like four in the morning on the balcony outside my room. Yes. But my point is 25 year old me would be like, what are you doing going to bed? Yeah. It's really interesting. So I text Bill if I'm allowed to even say I'm on it. He hasn't responded. But let me see if he. It's time. It's time for Apple. It was time that people know. Hold it onto this for a while. Oh, yes, have fun. I love that. OK, so that's Bill. That's Bill. Great. So yes, I too am now on it. So this is what I think is so fun about our overlap. And it's not just overlap. Like, oh, we were both on Bad Monkey. We're both on Bad Monkey at a very specific point in our life. So at a very specific age. Doing dramatic roles we don't normally get casted in. Yes. Although I'm playing a douchey. I'm pretty much bad. Back to your old prime garden. Oh, I actually don't know what character you play. Although he told me some fun anecdotes. I won't say because they're spoilers, but he did tell me that you had some funny stories. I'll tell you what the character's name is. Rat Daddy. That tells you a lot. I think the name says a lot. But you can summit that inner Rat Daddy, can't you? Oh, it's always ready to come out. I bet there was boating involved. Boating? Yeah. Yeah, good idea. Yeah, yeah, smart. Well, it takes place in the Florida Keys. Yes. And so when I talked to Bill, we interviewed Bill in September of last year. He's actually our first video guest. And he was so fun and good. And he said, I'm going to make you act next year. And I said, I don't think so. I'm really busy on this. And I'm very content. And he said, what if all your scenes were with Vince Vaughn? Same pitch. That's how he lures people. Yes, it's great. It works. And so when we talked on the phone, he's like, how big of a commitment can you make? And I said, I don't know. He said, what would you want to play? And I said, a mussely douchebag. And he goes, oh, buddy, do I have the role? But it's going to be a few episodes in Rat Daddy. But I was going to say, I'm making a lot of assumptions about you. But you and I, I would hope, have the pride of, like, all I'll said. 25 years we've been doing this. The longevity. I never hit the points I was trying to hit. I had my eyes set on being Will Ferrell or Vince Vaughn that didn't happen. I wanted to be Steven Soderbergh, as a director, that didn't happen. But I have great pride in the longevity, like, fucking, 25 years is hard to do. And I wonder where you sit with this. And tell me about the ebbs and flows of those aspirations. That's a good way to put it. I have thoughts, similarly. I've had my ebbs and flows. I've had career highs and years where nothing was fucking happening. But I think those ultimately led to me finally then sitting and writing a script I was proud of. And then I've had moments where I was like, I cannot believe this is happening to me. I can't believe this is all happening at the same time. This is so crazy. I'm so neurotic. So something awful is about to happen tomorrow. So that's part of doing this job. We're freelance. And you just nailed it. You either have nothing or you have too much. Nobody has the right amount of it. Yeah. And it's a wave. And if you write it wrong, you crash. And if you write it right, it can keep going and going. In fact, I'll give you an example. That little part I did on Bad Monkey, I got a lot of love for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was sending you a love letter text. You did. And a lot of other actors I respect a lot as well. I would see a celebrity actor that I love. I don't know them that well. But I'm like, hey, man, how are you? And they were like, hey, dude, Bad Monkey, you crushed it. And it would just make me feel so good. Yeah, of course. And it had been a minute, right? I've been doing a lot of directing. Yeah, it had been a minute. And it had certainly been a long time since I'd gotten a juicy dramatic part. Yeah, I think a lot of what people were saying was like, I forgot he's so good. Oh, thank you. It's fun. It's like when Edward Norton acts, he acts once a decade. You're like, oh, that's right. He's one of the greatest to ever do that. But I'll tell you, I got an offer to do in India. It was very challenging playing a cop. True story about a cop who was a narcotics cop outside Baltimore and lost his daughter to drug addiction. An amazing script. It's called Clean Hands. This is going to hopefully be on the festival circuit. But I think I got that offer, probably, I'm imagining because of my work on Bad Monkey. Yeah. I had the courage to do it because of the feedback I was getting from some actors I really loved and respected and went and had the most incredible experience where I really let myself go to a place I haven't because I had a little bit of wind in my sails. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. And it shows in the movie, the movie I'm really proud of. And so, yes, I guess to answer your question, to be able to make a living in this wacky ass career path for 25 years, I feel so grateful. I know so many talented people that are incredible, that aren't working or can't get work or had to move out of LA. I never go to sleep a single night without putting my head on my pillow and saying how grateful I am for the things that have happened. There were periods where I felt bad for myself that I didn't hit the mark I was going for. And then a lot of weird things happen over time. Well, what about this? This is unexpected and who would have guessed it? Eaming outside of this podcast world, the goals you set for yourself as a filmmaker? Yes, or as an actor, like what I was trying to get to. And I now have the vantage point of like, oh, I got to do a ton of stuff multiple times and I'm still around. But you also don't know what's around the corner. Bill is a perfect example. He created Spin City when he was like 25 years old and then he makes scrubs. And then after scrubs, he does a lot of stuff, Cougar Town and Undatable. But it isn't hitting the zeitgeist like those two first. Yeah, I think thought like, OK, I've had a good career. I can't complain. I love what I do. And then all of a sudden lasso breaks and then shrinking breaks and then bad monkey breaks. And I can guarantee you this corral show called Rooster that I directed for HBO is amazing, it's going to break. And now we're doing the scrubs revival that hopefully will break. So that man is on absolute fire. My point is he didn't expect that at all. He didn't think that was his fifties were going to be about. You and I also have a unique experience in that we go back and forth from overseeing everything to just being an actor, which is such a mindfuck. It is. Yeah, we talk on that. When you're directing and producing the show, there's so much pressure and there's always a problem. You open your phone, there's 11 fires being put out. And then everyone is like this all day long. And you're looking at your watch going, we are so fucked for time. What are we going to do? How am I going to shoot that next scene in an hour? And the actor, a hundred and eight degrees is like, we got it. All right, I'll be in my trailer. Bye. I'm going to go lay down and read my phone. Yeah, I'm going to go look at Instagram. Or you guys are all sweating because of all those problems. See you. I think what's different for me on scrubs, I directed this pilot of the revival. OK, we'll get right into it. I just watched it. Did you like it? It's so good, dude. So excited. You know, I didn't watch scrubs not because I had anything against it. I was 25 and I was an addict. I didn't watch any TV. I totally miss scrubs. I've seen an episode or two, but I'm watching this and I'm remembering. Oh, it has that same thing that I saw the first time, which again, you would think would be easy to capture, but I think would be really hard. It is. So it's got that thing. But I must have said five times to my wife was getting ready in the bathroom. I'm like, this show is fucking good. So I'm saying it. And then five is like, this show is really good. I mean, it's just a fucking good show. Like I missed it. This is a great show. Start the first with the kids, with the kids. I love that original scrubs. So it'll be really trippy for people like yourself who didn't watch the show and watch it now and get into it. And hopefully they love it. There is eight good seasons of the OG that they can go back and watch how we became and we became a thing. But you do a very clean and effortless. It's not laborious. Catch up to what's going on. We meet you. I'm working as a concierge doctor and I've been separated from my friend group. I haven't worked there for 17 years. Donald's character, Turk and myself, we were best friends. The whole bromance thing. We really have both kind of fallen into melancholia because we're lacking the community and friendship. The show's theme song says, I can't do this all on my own. It's what helped us get through what these men and women who work in hospitals deal with. The ups and downs, the highs and lows of being one of these superheroes that work in a hospital. You have a patient who returns to a grandmother who collapsed at her grandson's soccer game and I live an hour away because my patient ended up back at Sacred Heart. I have to come so I'm re-entered into the world. I haven't been there in a very long time. I can't wait. It's very meta. It's like returning to high school after you've left and you're returning to high school after you left. And what's really trippy, I'm getting goosebumps talking about it, which is funny because I've lived it. We used to shoot scrubs in an abandoned hospital in the valley, Riverside and Whitsitt. And that building got torn down. In order to do return to Sacred Heart, the hospital, we had to build, recreate the entire thing to perfection on a soundstage. And so now I enter the soundstage, fully dressed and fully recreated down to like the dusty murals on the wall. Yeah. And it's a place I haven't been in 17 years, but it's a place I spent my 20s. Yeah. Is that the real gap between when the show went off and now? Seventeen years is when the show ended. Yeah. But we started in 2000. There are a few young people playing interns on the show that were born the year we started airing because they're 25 years old. That's how old interns are. Yeah. Yeah. First year 25 years ago. Isn't that crazy? It's bonkers. Now I can't put too fine a point on it. It's fucking great. Thank you, man. Yeah. John C. McGinley looks incredible. I don't know what his protocol is. He's a beast. Like he works out like a motherfucker. He's looking great. He's very into the Sonic called plunge. Donald's looking fit. Donald does not age. We're posting all this stuff because we're promoting it. And anytime I post a picture of Donald and myself, every third comment is, wow, Donald didn't age. Sure. But no, everybody came back. Was it emotional? Yeah, it was my 20s. This is what I need you to answer, because the sweetest chunk of my life as an actor was parenthood. It was just beautiful from day one to the end. And there are many times where it's like, if I ever wanted to act again, that's what I would want to do. And then I have this great fear of like, but is it returning in high school when I go and then just be brokenhearted that no, it can't be that thing? Are you so close with all those people? Yeah, yeah, very. Can be. Yeah. So tell me that part of it. What was unique for our cast is we're all very close. We love each other. We text. We do things together. Bill and I are best friends. Donald and I are best friends. I go out to Johnny's house. He lives out in Malibu. He's the one who got me into Sonic and cold plunging and taught me the benefits of it all. Sarah lives in Vancouver. Krista Miller, Bill's wife, we're all very close. We go on vacations together. And so the idea of we're just going to get the band back together. It isn't like going back to high school in a sense that you're going to feel misplaced. It's we're going to see what these people are like now. Because Scrubs is about a teaching hospital, first and foremost. And when we entered the world in 2000, we were young, wide-eyed newbies. In all the ways. Yeah, we were living it. I had just come from waiting tables. Didn't take much to play a guy wide-eyed in over his head. Yeah. And now in the same metaway as I come back, I'm directing the pilot. We're coming back and now we're the teachers for the young kids. The story is still about us, but you can't tell the story of a teaching hospital without students. Right. First question. How much did the success of the Pitt plan to this coming back? And how much is you and Donald being in the T-Mobile commercial? What is the recipe that leads to the relaunch? I think it was our podcast. First of all, did really well. OK. I mean, not armchair expert. We don't know. Maybe it was bigger. You just ran out of episodes to watch. No, you guys. It certainly was not on the level of your show, but it had a big following enough so that we could feel it. We could feel that it was popular. And it did sort of suffer when we ran out of episodes because you're both very good at interviewing people. That's not a skill set Donald and I really have. We were good at telling jokes and laughing and we can kibbutz all day long. You can get interviewed forever. Right. And we can just chat. Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine the audience enjoyed some of that. We also would go on long ass tangents. We were also very candid. His wife would come on and they were very candid. We had a sex therapist on and it was hilarious because him and his wife just started going to a session with the sex therapist. And it was so fun. And they are both very open. Like there's no secrets. It was just great. We're interviewing the sex therapist. We're being boys. We're asking all the questions. You can't flap this woman. Just ask her whatever the fuck you want to ask her. And she's an amazing guest. And Donald starts to talk about how him and his wife have an issue. And I can say this because they already brought it out. It's on the podcast. He has a much bigger libido than she does. Sure. And his libido, he's 50 years old and he has a libido of a 16 year old. That's why he looks so youthful. Casey comes on and she's like, all right, I'm ready to talk about it. She's got to sell an access to Texas. And it starts kind of funny as a joke. And then the woman starts giving them genuine counseling. This is a very common problem. Let's talk about it. And it was so candid and interesting and funny that I was like, oh, this I enjoy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. But my point is outside of that rare exception, we were best when we were shooting this shit about an episode of the show. Right, right. That's why it sort of faded out. Maybe we'll start doing it again now that there's more episodes to talk about. So that was encouraging. The podcast was one big thing. Then the T-Mobile campaign became really successful. And then they kept re-upping us. And then I think Bill, just being on fire, we always joked because Bill loves a panel. If you're listening to this and you're orchestrating a TV panel, invite Bill, it will come. And every panel, the man's ever been on. He's like, yeah, we're going to do something with scrubs. We haven't figured it out yet, but we're doing something. So in my mind, you know, the show's psych, whatever channel they're on, they had done some psych movies. I thought, oh, maybe we'll do that or we'll do six episodes. We'll do something. How can we not? We're all available. There's interest. Bill wants to do it. Bill's on fire. I think it was being negotiated long before the pit because it took a long time to negotiate. This is a businessy thing that most people won't care about. But Bill's deal is a huge Warner Brothers deal. One of the biggest of all time. Yeah, good for him. Good for him. Almost T-Mobile money. This is a Disney property. So it took like two years for them to all talk. Yeah, all those lawyers. So annoying. So literally once we said yes, it was like two years of negotiations, just with those two guys. Wow. So you've known this was looming for an eternity. I know something was, but it was never revealed until the end. Oh, it's primetime ABC eight o'clock Wednesday nights. Hulu the next day. The full push. February 23rd. February 25th. First, fifth, fifth. February 25th. February, do you want to say that again? Yes, 25th. February 25th. February 25th, eight o'clock was showing both episodes one and two back to back. Brilliant. And then it's on who's the next day. And then if you're listening to this anywhere around the world, it's most likely on Disney Plus. Episode two also great. I watched one and two prior to this. It's a good show. It's a good show. I just like that while your wife's getting ready, you yell, it's a good show. My tone is like, there's no way you can say anything but this. Well, Bill and I had a mantra and I put it on a whiteboard because I'm very into whiteboarding. OK, we said, you know, a lot of people are going to come out the show like this with their arms crossed because the show is meaningful to a lot of people. Where is it streaming on Hulu? Hulu. I imagine it's still huge. It is. I think it's gotten a bump because of the push. And so we said we have to make the pilot undeniable. And when you say that you're yelling to Kristen, it's good. That makes me feel like we did our job because we just knew that the show was important to a lot of people. We didn't want to do them wrong. You know, it takes place in 2026. We had to make a modern day version of it and we were 50 years old. But we wanted to honor the tone of the show that they loved. What about having to say the medical jargon? Has it been a while? It's just like if you've ever had to memorize a little piece of another language for a part. I haven't. I do have anxiety when I'm watching. There's a woman on set or a man sometimes. And first of all, you can say when you read the script, send me the nurse who's on set saying how you say this. OK, OK. So then you kind of get in your head and then she's on set. So you can be like, am I right after it takes? Whenever I do a procedure, even when I did the cop movie, I did a little police training, but there was a detective on set. And after every take, I'd be like, I don't know how you did it on chips, but I wasn't a comedy and I certainly didn't want to fuck anything up. After every take, I'd be like, please tell me I want to go again. If that didn't look right, he's like, that looked great. So I have the same relationship with the nurse who's on set on scrubs. The AMA people will be surprised to hear is said that scrubs was the most medically accurate show on TV. I have heard that. I know, but they're saying that about the pit. Probably surpassed. The pit is taking the mantle. In fact, I slid into Noah Wiley's DMs. We'd love them. I love the pit. Yes, fucking. And I always thought Noah Wiley never got the flowers he deserved. It's an actor. I love actors. So when I see an actor who's finally having their moment, I feel this thing in my heart for them. Yeah. So I never met Noah Wiley. I don't think. But I DMed him and I said, I just got to say, the show is wonderful. And you're just a phenomenal actor. And he wrote back, thank you so much, Zach. That means a lot. Paraphrasing. But it was something in the effect of we knew going into this that scrubs was known as the most medically accurate. And we really wanted to achieve that level of success. Oh, wow. That was kind of. That was very sweet. They also had Wells on their side who had done ER. Was the ER? The ER was already out by the time. But I think that a lot of the shows that are dramatic take dramatic license because look at Grey's Anatomy, the things that have happened or ER, the things that have happened. Well, she was telling me she's on a ER. And I've never been in like six or seven little kids have gotten AIDS. Yeah. I watched the ER again after the pit because I needed more, mainly more Noah Wiley. Every two episodes, someone has AIDS and it's often like a kid. Or the way that probably they're not singing about it. The dramas have to keep the drama going. Yes. And when you're on a comedy, maybe you have the license to keep it more realistic because there is a mix of comedy and drama. You don't always have to have someone on their deathbed and you're doing CPR. Also, the pit and ER, both ER shows. It's interesting about scrubs. We do have emergency situations, but we never deal with the world of the ER. Right. That's true. OK, there's a feather in your cap. So sorry, this is a spoiler. Coldplay is in this episode. Song or the people? The song. But don't tell what song. I'm not gonna. Coldplay song is in. It's used masterfully. Is it Fix You? Don't talk about it. But I will say it's not Fix You. And it's not magic. That's all you get to work with. So now Chris is towards the end of her thing. Have you screamed? It's good. It's good. And then the Coldplay song hits and then the last couple of lines. And she can hear me. I have like some predictable sounds I make as if I'm approaching crying. And a nervous laugh is kind of a part of it, too. So I think she's in there and she hears like. I'm all by myself in the bed. She's in the bed. She goes, are you crying in there? And I go, no, fighting my heart is not too, but I definitely want to. That's the tone. That's the whole show. I didn't know we went there in the show. It caught me by surprise. You also break your heart. It's not saccharine. It was like John C. McGinley says to you. Don't squirt. I'm just saying he says something to you. He says, come on, he's going to say lots of things. But I love to hear that you and Kristen have the relationship that I imagine in my mind. That it's like a Samsung commercial. Yeah, it feels like a Samsung commercial. Her yelling from the bathroom. You crying in there? It's pretty much what's going on. Thank you. That means a lot to me. Yes, the show part of the brilliance of the Bill Lawrence universe is that we make you laugh and then all of a sudden we catch your heart. And I should give a credit to a seam, Batra, who is the current show runner of the show and her team of writers. We then catch you when you're not expecting it and hopefully break your heart a little bit. Yeah, you did it. Congratulations. You know, you reminded me we have too much in common, not just our looks. I used to watch extreme makeover home edition. Do you remember the show? Sure, sure, sure. Man, could they pull on your heart when the reveal happens? When they would say bus driver, move that bus. And I remember sometimes they would have a special needs child and they would have built a special thing for the child. And I remember not just crying, but making like. No. Making noises. They were involuntary. Yeah, you never think to do them in a scene where you're supposed to cry. No. But you know, when you're just there's a tear falling, but it doesn't stop there. Your body goes. And you didn't plan your body. Yeah, yeah. Stay tuned for more armchair expert. If you dare. Do you cry a lot in life? Not in life, but I love more than anything when a movie or TV show moves me to tears. I love that. Life, because maybe that's why you guys make all these girls. I hadn't cried from I think nine years old. So when my best friend went to the hospital seven years ago, so whatever that is, 35 years. Wow. And now I have these little beautiful girls and they sing songs on stage. And I cry. I'm now starting to cry more and more and more to the part where it's almost untended why I have had a couple of big cries here when we're interviewing people. Monica is like, OK. We hit the limit. You cried enough. I'm kidding. No. You shut down and he's crying. No, but sometimes I'm like, again, the line you worry about is that it doesn't seem genuine. It is genuine. I'm here to tell everyone it is genuine. But sometimes you're like, well, you can't cry at this because this isn't a big enough thing. It's kind of like when you're making a movie. The character can really only have two moments. Max. Yeah, you're starting to exceed your crime. That's right. You're talking about a daughter. Anyone has got a daughter story or it's a daughter telling me about how she feels about her dad. That's a guess. I'm done. Right. I have two little girls. That's all I think about. It's just a fast pass to me. I cried from the horrible things that have happened. But I don't in my daily life cry much. But I love the feeling that it's a play. If it's a TV show, if it's a movie where I feel it coming. That's wonderful. OK, I have some now personal questions. What is your relationship with your looks? I want to compare it to where mine have evolved. When I was younger, there was no one calling me hot. And I was very insecure about how I was going to make it in Hollywood because I would go on these auditions and I would sit in the waiting room and I would look at all of these beautiful men who were hot. And they were reading for the part and I was like, I'm not going to get this part. I don't look like that. And that made me very insecure. I think there's two sides of that coin. I had that experience. And then also I'd be at the commercial audition for Arby's. And I was like, I don't look character enough either. I'm not goofy enough looking to get all these funny goofy roles. And I'm not handsome enough. I feel like I'm just caught in this purgatory doldrums of I'm not goofy looking and I'm not attractive. I felt the same way right out of school. I got well, even before school, I got cast as Woody Allen and Diane Keaton's son in Manhattan murder mystery, even though it was a small part. I knew I'd beaten everyone in town out for it. Yeah, I wouldn't have wanted that part. So I got a little bit of confidence at 18. Then I went to school and learned filmmaking and studied acting. And I got out of school. And the first thing I got was a very high profile production of Macbeth in New York, starring Alec Baldwin, Angela Bassett, Leib Schreiber, Michael C. Hall, George C. Wolfe directed it, a huge theater director. I was the young guy who played two different young roles. And so that kind of gave me like a whoa. I just got a really big part for a young guy created at college. So I did start to have a little bit of confidence that I could act. But when I came out here and I saw how pretty everybody was, I was concerned that I wasn't going to book TV. And I didn't really. I would never make it very far and never for a love interest kind of thing. I just wasn't getting that. It was frustrating. When I was waiting tables out here in 99, I was thinking like, gosh, I don't know, maybe I should have stayed in New York. The cool indies were at that point coming out of New York. And theater, there's not that same bar. No, a theater is going to choose the best actor. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. It's a meritocracy. And then scrubs happened, which is though Bill knew me and studied me and wrote a part for me. It was so tailor made for me. And then, of course, it goes without saying that Bill and I ended up having the exact same sense of humor. That's what gave me my big break. But the first thought I had was, oh, this is going to help me get my movie Garden State made because no one was going to fucking cast me in Garden State if I hadn't written it. Yes. Yes. So I knew maybe you have felt the same way that I'm going to have to create stuff for myself. Yes. So my journey is like, I hated how I looked, was bummed. I've gotten older and older and older. I like how I look now, especially at 51. And then even crazier, I wonder if you're having this experience without naming names. There was a whole legion of our peers that objectively for sure in our 30s and 40s. I'm like, that guy is so much better looking than me. It's insane. A bunch of those dudes. And now because of this war of attrition in the longevity, a lot of these guys I'm looking at, I'm like, I don't think that anymore. That's my journey with it. Some of my peers have fallen off and it's crazy to know when you should wish for what. I don't know that I feel that I do see people getting plastic surgery, which I think is crazy. There's nothing I want to talk about. You and I clearly haven't had face lifts. But I want to know. I do do this in the mirror though. I tell you, before I've seen a bunch go awry. Yes, I might have. But I do this and you know, we both have this thing down to this. They're called fastoons. Oh, we know. He knows all about fastoons. And it's genetic. So I, of course, in the mirror, sometimes on scrubs, and I'm like in the makeup trailer going like, can you do this? And they're like, no, we can't do that. That's plastic surgery. Also, don't do that. You look crazy. That did not look like. Of course, it had crossed my mind being vain and in security. But I've seen enough people go awry that I'm not going anywhere near it. Well, yeah, that's what I want to talk with. So, A, I have zero judgment if someone does it. I don't give a fuck if anyone gets a face up. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Cut to me like being on the show in five years. Remember when I said. To I go to the dentist, I whiten my teeth. There's a lot of things I do and I work out like crazy because I want my body to look a certain way like I'm vain. And I just wonder if you're caught in this cycle of thought. Most of the time, I'd say good 80 percent of the time I'm like. This is actually kind of cool. I'm going to be one of the few people that didn't have a facelift. And I'm going to look weirdly authentic. And I think that's going to have some weird value. Like I think I'm choosing the right path. 20 percent of the time I'm like, this is crazy. Why wouldn't I? I have the money and I am vain. I also aren't you worried to me, the fact that it can go raw. Like I never got LASIK because I don't know what minuscule percentage of cases of LASIK go raw. But I never got LASIK is like my eyes are my whole life. And that might be totally neurotic and crazy. But I feel like, oh my gosh, your face. And also if you and I all of a sudden were. We had tiny button noses. If we had little cute noses. And a fucking pronounced chin and a jawline. Wouldn't people be like, what the fuck did you do? They would. They would. And we'll get no festoons. Don't you think, I mean, you say this all the time, like, what's attractive about people is the differences. It's not for some people, obviously it is, but it's like the classic looking cookie cutter is not what's interesting. No. And everyone's starting to meld into one look. I think it helps us that we're the age we are because I'm playing a grizzled cop, a dad. The parts are different. You're not trying to be the leading man who gets the girl. I was never competing for those roles really. I did one or two of those, but I was never going to be the Glenn Powell of the moment. Yeah. OK, now I'm going to put you on the spot. And this is to answer my own curiosity, because I'm so interested in all the parallels. But when you directed a good person, you had reached out to me a couple of times about like AA. Yeah. And I don't know if what I said was helpful or not. Very helpful. Thank you. You were the first person I reached out to because I started writing this movie about recovery as I was just brainstorming and getting the story right. I didn't want to go down any wrong paths. And you helped me right off the bat, clear up some questions I had. My main complain about when I see it in movies is everything's so heavy and so important. And when someone's sharing, it's like they're about to die. And I'm like, everyone has the biggest sense of humor about all the wreckage they've had. That is not the vibe ever. Yeah. Even when it's tragic, that's just not our vibe. But anyway, I have come to learn that a good person was really you kind of processing through this movie, both your sister, one of your best friends who was living with you during covid, who died of covid, which is insane at 41. He's got to be one of the very few young people that went down like that. And although those aren't directly the storylines, they're you dealing with that. Yeah, I wrote a good person during covid. My sister died of an aneurysm. My best friend was living in my guest house and he got covid at 41. In March at the very beginning, right? At the beginning, as wife Amanda Clutes is a known influencer and actress and performer, and she was very public about it because she wanted to share with people that this could happen to a 41 year old. And he never came out of the hospital. Again, it was very early on and they didn't know a lot of things. I can't help but think if it had been today, it would have been a very different outcome. Yeah. And your dad also died. My father died of cancer. My manager, I don't know if you ever knew Chris Huvane. Did you ever know Chris Huvane? He died by suicide. He took his own life. So all of this happened. I didn't know what to do with it all. When you start to write something, I don't know if you feel this way. I don't always know what it's going to be about. Right. You just start to say, this character is on my mind. This scene is on my mind. This image is on my mind. And so what came out was a good person. I ended up being a story about grief. There is recovery as a character in the story, but it's really about grief. So the thing I've been curious about you for 25 years is, what's your relationship with alcohol and drugs? Or was there ever dicey period? That's a good question. No one's ever asked me that. Maybe Rich Roll, who actually helped me a lot. I don't know if your friends were the rich. I'm not. I keep hearing his name and I've never watched the show. I watched it because you were on it. Oh my God. You would be best friends with the guy. I feel like it from what I just saw. You have so much in common. We'd either hate each other or love each other. You know, I can go either way when you're with someone. No, you were on. You know, he's a fitness nut. He's a marathoner. He's one of those extreme guys. He was an addict and completely changed his life around. And now he is a very successful podcast. You have a lot in common and he loves his wife and kids. I definitely have had binge drinking problems in my life. My problem with alcohol was never, oh, I want to drink at noon. And so I rationalized that just drinking a fuckton on a Saturday night until you blacked out wasn't an alcohol problem. Right, right, right. Also, you have depression and anxiety. Depression, anxiety, the works. Do you have ADHD, do you think? No, I definitely had panic attacks and OCD and all that stuff. Uh-huh. What about cocaine? Do you have a powder in your nose? Because that's a very good drug. Are you afraid to say that in public? No, I've never got into cocaine. I used to smoke a lot of weed, but ultimately that wasn't for me. College aged me and older, but then I got sick of it. So was there ever a point where you're like, oh, I got to kind of get this on the list? Yeah, I think I had some embarrassing experiences where I was just drinking too much. They accumulated. And so I reached out to Rich Roll actually, because he had had a guy on his podcast that if anyone's listening to this, this is speaking to you. I would watch this episode. The program was called One Year No Beer. And it was an English guy who was just in the business world and his whole career was drinking. It was pints. Every day he had to go for pints at lunch and pints after and he did blow and I believe in all sorts of things. And his episode of Rich Roll really spoke to me, not because I had that kind of relationship with alcohol, but because he said, go on this journey and see what your life is like without it. I think it's worth your time to see out of curiosity. A, can you not drink because that's something you should know and B, you should be curious to see how you feel without it. Yeah. And I had never done that. Rich is the one who I reached out to because he was a big inspiration to me. And I watched that guy's podcast and we eventually had him on our podcast. And I did a month with actually no alcohol in my body. And then I did another month and everything he was saying started to come to fruition that I was feeling better overall, less depression. Part of his whole thing is you are taking in any present and pounding a depressant at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is nuts if you think about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he said, if you drink a couple of times a week, the alcohol never fully leaves your system. So you always have this low grade chemical in your body, a depressant. And so I started to feel everything that he was talking about. Once I flushed the depressant out of my body, I was feeling lighter. I was having more energy. I was feeling happier. For me, I was like, oh, mornings are nice. Mornings hadn't been nice for 12 years. Well, hangover at 50. I mean, you haven't experienced this. I mean, I know what they were at the dog days of my 29th year. They were fucking insurmountable, which is why I had to start drinking in the morning. They were too much. Yeah. So anyway, I had a curiosity. I ended up doing 13 months, never touching booze. Yeah. And totally reset my relationship to it. What were the downriver results? Did you start looking at your romantic relationships differently in that period? Do you know if there was any kind of ancillary effects? I know that I had a lot more energy and I wasn't this depressed. And I overall 100% felt better. It was almost the most valuable ingredient of the antidepressant. It was almost like in not taking it, it was like taking the best antidepressant. Right. Right. Just omitting. So if you're listening to this and you're taking antidepressant and you're drinking several times a week, I'm here to tell you. You're listening. I feel you happen to be listening. You happen to be sitting within four feet of me. It's something you should try. Oh, is this your story? You should watch this podcast. I'm telling you, it really made me want to try. And by the way, it isn't about you're going to give up alcohol forever. I drink wine maybe once a week at dinner with friends socially. I don't get drunk anymore. It's about A, seeing what it feels like when it's fully out of your system. At least try two months and you'll notice it. I kept feeling so good I did 13 months. But then I went back to a place, OK, I don't have a problem. I don't want to binge drink anymore. So you've broken the habitual nature of it. So it's like now it has a different. Also, no more booze. I don't do spirit cell. I'll sip wine at dinner. I'll have a mimosa at brunch. I don't get hammered anymore because I just didn't like myself like that. But my point is, since we're pointing at you, it is an interesting experiment to just see what you feel like a month and then two, two months. Then you kind of get excited and also another answer to everything. Not that you have this problem at all, but as a fitness person, the weight just falls off of you. Oh, yeah, I lost like 20 pounds in the first four months. I got lean in a way I had never seen my body. That was kind of exciting. Any photos I would love to see. I sent them to my girlfriend. You said sometimes people can gain weight because they're filling the sugar loss with sugar, sugar. It is very common for people to get out of treatment who are like hardcore alcoholics. I also want to say and Dax, you should help me say this correctly. This is for someone who was not drinking any amount of alcohol. No one should go cold turkey if they have a serious alcohol problem. Yeah, you might want to be medically supervised. If you experience the DTS when you don't drink. I just want to be careful. I was just binge drinking, not just. I was binge drinking, not drinking every day. Yeah. I was just. Officer, I'm just binge drinking. But there's so many ways for alcohol to be a problem, either you're binge drinking or you're drinking moderately, but every day. You know, you've seen the trends of next generation drinking your way down. Oh, yeah. And isn't it insane to think how alcohol was marketed to us our whole lives? Talk about successful marketing. Our whole lives, fun is alcohol. All those ads, you are not going to the beach. You are not going to the game. You are not hanging out with friends unless you're drinking. Absolute vodka had such a successful campaign because they did really cool variations of their ad and magazines and stuff. The swimming pools. Yeah. And I had a whole wall of them. My parents didn't care because they thought, oh, he's into graphic design. But I had a whole wall in my bedroom that was absolute vodka. And in hindsight, I think, God, it was brilliant marketing. We were just fed that if you're a human and you want to have a good time, alcohol needs to be a part of it. That was never a question. And we all have some varying degrees of social anxiety and it helps with that. So either the young people who don't do it as much, that's on a downward trend. And then the increase in GLP one users. So even people that are older, now so many people are in GLP ones. And that reduces your drinking like crazy. What's GLP one? Maggerno, Trezebati, Ozenpik. I know it is Ozenpik. That makes people not want to drink. Oh my God, yeah. Like people who were three glass a night wine drinkers are a half a glass and they don't even really want it. Oh, that's interesting. Oh, that's almost like across the board. Years went down, right? Your frequency is the same, but your intake is less. Yeah. Is there talk that it could be helpful for people in recovery? There is talk. Yeah, yeah. I don't know who's launching the study or funding it, but it's being observed nonstop. There's all these off-label effects of this drug. We've had 30 doctors on here to say like, it is the most miracle drug we've had in the last 60 years. Not just for weight loss. No, because once you're on it, all your metabolic conditions start getting better. So Alzheimer's, heart disease. It just reduces inflammation kind of in total. Yeah. And you're satiated so you don't desire alcohol. It's insane how many positive effects. Well, I feel like I should go on a SEMPIC. Let's get you on a GLP one. I'm on it. I'm a teeny, tiny dose. You want it? You're very thin. Thank you. It's not for weight loss. So originally I was like, I want to see what it does to my cholesterol. I have high cholesterol. So it's supposed to be good for that. And then yeah, we've just had so many people on that are like, it's great for your brain markers. It's great for this. If you have to mention your family. We're an Alzheimer's study with one of the premier Alzheimer's experts in the world. And he's a thin guy who's on it. And he's like, yeah, it has a lot of beneficial effects on a lot of these markers we look at for Alzheimer's. Wow. If you don't have the food chatter, I will say, which I don't. You do have to remind yourself to eat. You do have to be like, I need to eat breakfast now. If you start, yeah, without food chatter. Because you'll get too thin. Yeah. And you got to eat food. You know, you got to eat the things you're supposed to eat. Some people get too thin on that stuff. It can be slippery. So you have to monitor it. Like anything, it's going to be abused. You must have to eat a lot to maintain muscle mass. Or do you do protein shakes? I do protein scoops in my oatmeal every morning. I have the most boring diet in the world. I am such a creature of habit. I eat the same exact thing almost every meal. That helps you not have to think about it. Yes. And I am very ADHD. So routines work great for me. So I do the same thing every morning from the meditation to the journal to the when I get my coffee to when I'm allowed to look at my phone. Then when I get to have my oatmeal, I'm like Rain Man in some ways. And I'm happiest. Can you count cards? Yes. Well, Zach, I adore you. I'm probably more interested in you. That's what I'm sensing. I enjoy watching our like parallel journeys. When I see you in a team mobile commercial, it's not like when I see Faizon in the team mobile commercial or any other actor. I go like, oh, yeah, there I am in this commercial. Where's my check? How are we aging? Oh, we both haven't had facelifts yet. I was watching Scrubs, the reboot. And I'm like, guys, fucking hair is still gorgeous. I battle to keep mine. Do you know I have a topical eyedropper. I have to use twice today and it makes my hair. I see the receding now. Yeah. You know, I don't normally rock this clean cut fade. The Dax Shepherd clean clothes fades. So we're a little closer. We're graying in a similar way. The sides are gray, but the top still hanging in there a bit. You don't do anything to maintain your hair. Nothing. Nothing. You're so lucky. I just have to meet my Kristen Bell. Well, how has that evolved? Because if I can be critical, I've bumped into you over the years and you've often been with very attractive, slightly younger girls or often that's been the case. Not always. Not always. Of course, that's been a critique, but not always. Oh, is that a popular critique? I haven't heard that as a popular critique. I didn't make those lists of like, no, no. But with Florence, of course, I did because we had an age gap, but that's not been the rule for me. I have a crush on someone. Have you evolved in relationships? Yeah. What were you doing wrong that you know that you're going to try to do right? Not just looking for adrenaline of the moment, looking for something that could be long term and a life partnership. Like reorganizing the top five attributes were attracted to type of thing? Perhaps also because I'm 50 years old. I don't know if I'm past the age of having children or not. I don't think so. I know a lot of people your age have kids. I guess I'm open to the idea. I mean, not that you should, if you don't want to. No, but I'm saying I think it took me reaching this age to be like, I'm open to either way. I would fall in love with whomever the universe puts in front of me without being attached to the notion that I should have children or not, which something that I've pivoted on. Do you think you used to potentially pick partners that when you walked into a room, you felt proud to have them on your arm? Oh, I think I've always had that. That might not be just their looks. I wouldn't be in with someone that I wasn't so proud to have as my girlfriend, whether it be for a sense of humor. Do you think that's changed them into more personality over time? Or has that always been the case? I don't know. Well, in your first interview, we did talk about your schooling experience and then going away to camp and that you were the king of camp and then you would return to school. You were not the king of school. Yeah. And so I think when someone's had that experience and they have a lot more options at their disposal, I've yet to meet the person who doesn't want to explore those options. Yeah, I did too. For a long time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, everyone. And I've definitely did that. Now I'm ready to settle down. Fifty. You had a great one. Yeah, it's never too late. You can also be like, there's these dudes, they're 85 and they never decide to do that. And I guess that's fine for them. That's just not me. Remember that line in this is 40 where I think it's Jason Siegel. He says, I'm going to cloney it. Yeah, but look at what Cloney did. I know, but at the time he goes, cloney it. And then what's her name? I forgot the actress. She says, he has sad eyes. What's that? I could tell his wife's name. Leslie man. I think it's Leslie man. I was in the growlings with her. I'm going to cloney it. He has sad eyes. No, he has very happy eyes and great at selling it to Kila. Thank you for having me. Yeah, yeah. It was so fun. Thank you most importantly for liking my show. It means a lot to me. Yeah, it's a good show. Good show. It's good. Kristen, good show. I don't know what to say. It's good. You can't say anything else about it. It's really good. You're going to love it, Monica. It has the same spirit. If you like it, you can go to the show. It has the same spirit. If you like to laugh and then all of a sudden wonder why there's tears in your eyes, we got a show for you. All right. I wish you well. Everyone check out Scrubs airing on ABC February 25th and Hulu the day after. Thank you. You're welcome. I sure hope there weren't any mistakes in that episode, but we'll find out when my mom, Mrs. Monica, comes in and tells us who's wrong. Jumping right in. Let's pop in. Two. Right. Whoa. Yeah. I know. That's a big pivot. OK. But I do want to talk about it. OK. Because I toured the Rape Treatment Center, which is here in Los Angeles, UCLA. Oh, OK. In Westwood? Yeah. It's connected to UCLA Hospital. Like it's right there by the hospital. That hospital is really nice, by the way. Yeah. I visited some friends there. Yeah. I didn't realize how nice it was. But you know, it's one of those things where I went to the gala last year. And I was like, oh, I didn't know anything about it. And I was sort of taken. You know, I was like, oh, that's like a beautiful thing. They, the services they provide. Which basically, if you go there, if you've been raped or law enforcement brings you there, you go not to the ER. You go to the separate area. And they talk to you. They do an exam. Is it not called the rape kit? You're not sure. I think they don't really call that, call it that anymore. The rape kit is the actual, there is a kit. And it has like your bar code on it, has all like, you know, the samples and stuff like that. But yeah, we walk through the whole thing and like what it's like. And then it's beautiful. Like it's really like nicely done. It's warm instead of sterile. Exactly. It makes you feel like you have some choice in the matter and dignity. And then, so it's the rape treatment center. And then next to it is the Stuart house, which is for children. Okay. And that also like. Oh, sexual abuse? Yes. And there's like a beautiful waiting room. And there are volunteers that go and like to hang out with the kids. And then there's like a pretend courtroom in there that they like fully make to look like a courtroom. So they can practice. They can practice and understand like where everyone's sitting and you know, because often like, you know, the it's their like stepdad or something sitting, you know, and helping them process all that anyway. And then they offer free therapy, free legal. There's a free legal team. I mean, it's really incredible. Tell you what kind of volume they have too much. Okay. They said too much. No, they there are real numbers that I don't really remember. But I will say that day, just while we were there. For how long are you there? The whole thing, probably an hour, hour and a half. Okay. Three different kids were using the courtroom. Okay. So, you know, and it's 24 seven open 24 seven. It's very, it's very remarkable. It's only 10 percent funded federally. So 90 percent donation. Oh, lovely. And that's why they're really able to like do all of this. And a lot of other places that are fully federally funded are like closing or are a lot. There's a lot of now spillover here, which is great. I just want people to know that that's an option if they live in Los Angeles. Yeah, yeah. It's it's a really cool thing they're they're doing there. And I was very moved by it. And of course, I was saddened, but I was also like, but it's. This is positive. Yeah. Yeah. Now. OK, now for tricky questions. OK. It's a was a gala of sense, right? It's to raise money. Yeah. So did you feel it all a little weird, like being super dressed up and looking nice and being there? Or you like for the actual gala? Yeah. It was it was daytime cocktail. OK. So it wasn't like, you know what I'm saying? They're like to be like dolled up at a place like that. Do you feel is it like the gala wasn't there? OK, OK, OK, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. I see. So you went to a gala and then you went and toured it. Exactly. Much different. Yeah. Sorry. You know what I'm saying? Though, if you were like the red carpet was in front of the entrance, it would feel. It wasn't there. That was at the Skirball Center. OK, OK, OK. So the gala happened. And then because I was like, oh, wow, I was learning about it and I thought it was so. Special what they do. And, you know, there were people telling their stories. And I was like, I want to learn more about this. So that's when we scheduled the tour. OK, OK. And anyone can take a tour. They're very like open to having because it's very hard to just like talk about and tell people what they do. But when you're there and you really see it is like it's very moving. So I left my parents at home for that event to go to go do that. Were they invited or you just thought this isn't for them? I didn't invite them. I told them what I was doing. You could have brought them. Probably. Yeah. I'm sure I could have. Yeah. Right. But then I didn't want it. Yeah. Yeah. Plus I didn't want. I don't know. They're on vacation. Yeah. They just got in and I was like, I'm going to go to do this rape treatment center. So how is your visit going? You're on probably what day six of them? Yes, they leave tomorrow. Uh-huh. They leave tomorrow. Yeah, they they've been staying at my house with me for a week. And, you know, that can get trick. Well, I stopped by to hang out with them yesterday. I hadn't had a chance to sit with them. And we had a great 90 minute. What's fun is you and I know that we don't ever talk about politics. You and I. Right. Well, we if we do it ends up badly. Yes. We really don't. Like I, yeah, I have a hunch of what your opinions are and a lot of things, but I don't really don't know. And I don't think you know. And I think we've agreed that's for the best for us. But your parents are political hounds. So I knew like, oh, good. Like I was actually excited. Like, oh, I bet we're going to argue about politics, which is fun. I know, which I know. I felt like I was like, what's how's this going to play out? Yeah, because I knew I thought it was I knew it was going to go good. Or I felt like it was going to. I was like, oh, this will be a fun way for you and I to talk about politics, which is so dicey, but somehow they're going to neutralize. Buffer or something. They're going to neutralize it, right. Which I think they did. Yeah. Yeah. Because we got into all of it. And I haven't really, I avoid it in general, not just with you. I really don't care what anyone's political opinion is. And no one needs to hear mine, really. I have, of course, an opinion on every single thing. But yeah, we just we got into it. It's been a while, but we weren't fighting. No, no, we weren't. Which was good. I mean, we didn't agree on a much stuff, but we weren't fighting. Yeah, I thought we agree. We also agreed on a lot of stuff. But I should say that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But your parents are incredibly well informed. Yes. And they this is a topic they talk about a lot. And it's interesting too, because I think Indians in general are really political. Like we saw that in the Hussan thing, which was interesting. Your dad was just telling us yesterday that like Kerala is one of the only places in India where they're not divided up into ethnic groups or religions as much as they're they're divided up politically. Yes. So it's like there'll be 10 Christians and three Muslims and nine this and that. But they're they're politically aligned. Yeah, because in other parts of India, there's big rifts in religion. Yeah. And they mostly are congregated over religion. Right. Or probably some ethnicity. Yes. But not in Kerala. So it's like also he comes from a place that's clearly quite political. Yeah. Yeah. And my grandpa. Yeah. So they're just very political by nature. They are. I think also part of that has to do with the generation, like the generations that come here, they need to know what's going on in America as people that immigrated. You know what I mean? They feel like they need to be pretty informed. Sure. But I am around a lot of first generation Latinos and I don't hear them talking politics as much. Yeah, that's probably that might be true. Yeah. But anyways, we covered it all, man. We had Epstein, we had the war, we had the election. We ran through all the hot button topics. And when I left, no one was mad at each other. It was fun. Yeah. So it's been it's been good. They love the house, which is really nice. And it's been a way different kind of trip than normal because of the house, because I've had a place for them to be where they can like just watch TV and hang out. When I came in, your dad was on the patio doing God knows what he's doing and your mom's watching TV. Telly. Yeah. She's been binging some shows that I told her to binge. So, yeah, it's been more relaxed, which has been nice. Of course, there's there's little things, but that's light. That's family, you know? Jess taught them spades. Now, this was funny. So I have to admit that I made a bad stereotype judgment. I had it in my head that I was like, oh, it would be really fun if like we were playing cards. I wish they knew spades. And I said to Jess, I wish my parents knew spades. And he said, oh, I can teach them. And in my house, like, no, that's not going to work out. They don't play cards. They don't play cards. They don't know what cards are. Right. They're like seahorses. Exactly. Exactly. And then the four of us were having a drink and I was like, oh, I wonder if you guys would want to play spades. Do you ever play cards? And my mom was like, no, no, I don't play cards. Not no, I wouldn't want to learn. Yeah. Yeah. And then my dad was like, yeah, like I I play cards. And he said there's a game in Kerala called 56, which is kind of he was like, if you grew up there, you know how to play it. It's like basically the state game. The official game of the state. That's basically what he said. Yeah. And he said and it's like like Bridge and there's betting and there's all and he was saying and I was like, oh, it sounds spades ish. So the Spades is bridges as well. Exactly. And he said my grandpa used to play and I was like, oh, man, like I wish I knew all of this. Yeah. Anywho. So my mom's like, yeah, let's learn. So Jess teaches us and it's so it is so funny. What happens immediately? The personalities come out so quickly where my dad is like, oh, yeah. And I know. And then you do this, then you do this. And I already know. And then you're going to like know it all. He is he's such a know it all. Do you remind you of the first time you played with me? I mean, I don't want to make the comparisons, but he is such a know it all. And then what is annoying is he he's a know it all, but he does know he's good. He is good at it. Like I was impressed. I was like, oh, my God, yeah. He and he because he already knew strategy was already counting the cards. He was like, that's already been played. I was like, oh, my God, like yeah, yeah. And my mom is like, I'm not going to. I don't know. I'm this is going to take so long for me to learn. We're going to have to do a lot of practice. Like she's like nervous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the rest of us already know and she doesn't know. And we're all like, it's fine. You're learning and she just keeps saying it over and over again, which was getting annoying. Sure. Sure. You would also want for her. Yeah. To be in her sixties, had an incredibly impressive career as a computer programmer. She shouldn't feel like, oh, they think I'm dumb. If anyone's earned like she should be able to stumble through it and just go like, well, yeah, they know I'm fucking smart. Exactly. And that is a bummer. And you I think we all have a fantasy. We're going to transcend our insecurities. I don't know that you do. Well, and she is so smart. Like I've never and I've never heard her not think that about her. So like it was it was weird. I was like, why is she what's she doing? Like it's fine. But she literally didn't even know like the suits and stuff. She's never she was sea horse. Yeah, she was sea horse. Yeah. Even though she grew up here. So that was my stereotype, not, you know, not at its best. Really backfired on both fronts. It did. If one of the two of them should have known cards, it would have been her. According to your stereotype, and it was reversed. It was reversed. So anyway, she learned and and then we finished that we started a game. And my dad and I were on the same team and then Neil and I mean, Neil, my mom and Jess, Freudian, yeah, we're on the same team. And it was really fun. And then we finished our game yesterday. Oh, you did. You resumed. Yes. So how did it conclude? My dad and I won. But kind of close, very close, actually. And then it was also fun because my mom started doing moves, you know, and my dad was like, oh, that's a good move. Like he was like, and getting impressed. Yeah, nice. The whole thing was very. They're getting flirty. If we're going to call it that, I suppose. So you hear footsteps to the next. No, do not. I was on the verge when we were hanging out yesterday. There was a tiny alone, the political conversation. And I was like, it was on the tip of my tongue. It almost came out of my mouth like three times. I was going to say exactly this. Well, I keep asking Monica, if you guys had any boyfriends or girlfriends before you got married and she just has no idea. I was going to get it out of them while we were all together. And I was like, I don't know. Monica might be upset by this. So I resisted. I'm glad you were there. But it was in the chamber. Yeah. Well, then I made the right call. Yeah, you did. Anyway, so that was that was fun. I also got to say what was really funny is so Saturday I had a burst of ambition. You did. And I was like, I'm going to handle everything that's been driving me crazy about my house for the last six months that I've been ignoring. There was a palm fron that was sitting in the bay, Laurel hedges that I've been staring at when I'm in the sauna for six months, angry about. Yeah. Can't walk over there and do it. But that it was I got a new rug for upstairs in the bathroom. And the door wouldn't clear it. Oh, yeah. I'm sure Rob, you experienced that. Did you notice today it clears just fine? I noticed you cut the door because we're dealing with the same thing with our basement door right now. So I took the door off the hinges. I cut down the door, rehung the door. Clear as like a fucking woof. Also, I had got a new nightstand to match my other nightstand I had from 15 20 years ago. OK, this is where chat rocks. So I have this furniture. I got an 80 HD buttercup. I don't know what it is, but I still love it. OK, we still have some of the pieces. And my mom has a lot of them. I gave her like my bed and stuff. And so one of them now is in my clubhouse. That little nightstand that sits on the right of the couch. And I love it. And then I took a picture of it and said to chat. Hey, I bought this in like 2006 at HD Buttercup. Yeah. And it's like, oh, this is environment furniture. It was sold in these years at that store. That's cool. What you have is this exact thing. Let me scour the Internet and find out if there are any for resale. Yeah. I'm like, that's insane. I could have never figured this out. Yeah. So it founded. I didn't find that one, but I found another piece of their furniture on a different nightstand. So at least it's in the same vein. It's like this certain kind of wood that's reclaimed and then black or black. So I ordered one second hand. So excited. It arrives. It's taller than the other one. So I've been sitting in my clubhouse staring at on either side of the couch. And it just wasn't right. So then I cut down the legs of that and made that the same. OK, great. I was banging them out. You know, I'm infamous for underestimating how long things are going to take me, as you know. Yes. Like, I think I can power wash the driveway in like 45 minutes in six hours. Yep. That's it wasn't happening today. I was boogying. I got through all those things in probably like an hour and a half. OK. You love to do things. So then my next thing is my gate has been getting hung up for six months on the cobblestone. The gate is very heavy and over the two years since it's been installed, it's sagged enough that it's hung up on the very jagged cobblestone. OK. So I ordered a stone chiseling kit. Wow. And I'm like, I'm going to go chisel out these raised areas of the cobblestone so that the gate will close effortlessly. And this one, I was like, you'll do that in 20 minutes. And I was out there hammering. Yeah. Listen, we've all heard the expression. I've been breaking rocks all day. That meant nothing to me. That's like that's usually used to like it's the worst thing you can do is break rocks all day. I'm here to say that is a great analogy. So I was on probably our two laying on my ground hammering cobble and all of a sudden I heard a car pull up and it was you and your family pulling into the neighborhood. Yeah, we were pulling right in the neighborhood and you were you were right there on the edge of the street working on your on your rocks banging the rocks. Yeah. And so I ducked my head in the car and your mom was up front and she looked cute. And then your dad looked six years old. He was sitting in the back seat with a seatbelt on and he has holding a 12 pack of Michelot. Well, like on the side, right? Yeah, yeah. Like it was like a baby or something. And he was probably wearing his hat. Yeah, he just looked really cute. It's like he got his 12 pack of Michelot. He has arm around it, you know, it was really. Oh, he didn't want it to fall over. I know you were parked, you know. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah, we had stopped to get him his his beer. And that's his brand. That's his brand because of of blood sugar. OK, that's a low glycemic index beer. Yeah. OK, good. I have a question because and this isn't in relation to your projects. OK, it is or isn't. It is. OK. Do you replace the filters on your furnace? Oh, I do, but not nearly enough. OK. Yeah, I've been I've been shamed a couple of times. Gordon Key famously stayed at our house and he went and replaced all of them. Yes, but now we're on a schedule and Carly does it. OK, so because they in LA, they get dirty way quicker, quicker than you'd imagine. I think that's part of my problem is growing up. I had to replace them for my mom. You did. Yeah, yeah. OK. But rarely they didn't get filthy like humidity keeps dust down. For many, many reasons, just that was way dustier. Yeah, it's very dusty. And so, yeah, when I was living at house, it was like, I'd be sitting in the couch. And all of a sudden I look up there and I'm like, oh, that motherfucker is black. And how long has it been black? And I just haven't seen it. OK. Yeah. So this is part of having an engineer father, right? Like, so, of course, you know, I come down in the morning and he's like, so you have three, like he's like done his investigations. His analysis of the home. Exactly. His inspection. Uh-huh. And he was like, do you know where your panel is? I was like, yes, like I already know. I knew. Kind of. I kind of knew. But yesterday he was like, so, you know, you remember, you're going to have to replace the filters and the furnace every three months. And I was like, no, I don't. And I said that to him. Oh, OK. And he was like, yes, you have to do that. And I was like, well, I've never heard of that. I've never heard of that before. And I mean, are you are you doing that? And he was like, yes. Yeah. Dads are obsessed with my Martin, my stepdad. Thought about furnace filters more than anything else. Oh, my God. Very dad thing to think about. I, of course, was like, oh, like I have a different kind. Like I have an upgraded kind that won't need a replacement or something. Or else I would have known about this. I was like, I mean, how would I not know about this if it's that? If it's that like important, exactly. And then he was like, no, it is. And so he was like, you know, running around, looking for where they were. And he was showing. Well, there's the hygienic aspect, but then they also start running way less efficiently because they're trying to suck air in through all this clogged filter. He was looking, he showed, he found the two and he was showing me. And I was like, I'm like pretty skeptical about this. I think he's being extreme because he is extreme. Like, you know, he's an engineer, so he's going to be very on top of all of this extra. And and then though I started panicking, I was like, oh, my God, like I can't. There's so much stuff. Yeah, I can't have a house. I don't I don't know all these things. If he hadn't said that, I would never know that. Yeah. You would have noticed at some point way too late. You'd have noticed like, oh, my God, there's a black box behind that grill. What is that? And you realize, oh, that that's a filter and it's filthy. So I was like, there's too many things now to consider that I don't know to think about. I don't even know. And then because of my mom kind of over her over her, she was upstairs watching TV. And she said, what are you telling her to do? And then he said, she has to replace those filters. And she said, she doesn't have to do that. And, you know, you do. And I live by myself and I'm a homeowner and I'm going to have to do these things. Luckily. So of course, I texted Bill, my contractor, best friend, another dad of mine. And I said, my dad, I don't know if he's just being like extra, but he says I have to replace the filters in this. And he said, you do have to. But I'm going to give you basically how to run this house. Oh, great. Good. Now, this is you've wandered into what is sometimes the domestic conflict between men and women, because let's just say in my circle, what was universal is the moms are so mad at the dads around Christmas time because they don't do a lot of the Christmas present shopping or rap. And that is a fact. Yeah. And then the dads are kind of mad because the dads do this kind of stuff. But the moms don't even know it needs to be done. So like a lot of times I'm like, yeah, I know you're mad about the laundry. I do the dishes. I feel like that. But even beyond that, I don't think you know what I do. Because you're not thinking about the air filters or the cobblestone or all the little dumb things I do that are like mechanical. But you guys don't even know that that stuff. Well, I'm about to. So you have no kind of appreciation for it. Listen, don't you don't? You're mad at. Don't include me. I don't have a husband. I'm not nagging a husband about anything. But I did think at first I was like, oh, my God, I can't do this. And then I thought, you know what? Wow, I'm going to be like very competent at at running a house because I have to. I have no choice. There's no partner there to handle things. Yeah, you can't. I can't. I mean, I can't help people to help me, but I have to know what to hire them for. Like so I decided to look at a glass half full. Yeah, you'll be you'll be very competent at the end of this. And you can do all of it. Yeah, it's I can. I just need to know what it is I need to do. But Bill is going to help me with that. And of course, Bill was like, and I'm not going anywhere. You know, he's so nice to me. He loves you. He's so nice. Does he have a children or yours only? He does. I think he has many because he he has all these other climb, not special. He has other clients. He's so nice. So my dad was right about that, I guess. I was like, I got asked that. I bet he doesn't do it, but you do. I do it. And I'm aware of the fact that I should be doing it more. But we've hacked it because now it's just on the calendar. Right. And Carly does it. Yeah, it is like, I guess I can't really be too proud of myself. You know, OK, well, that's honest. But it is there is some obvious domestic differences in running households. Classically, obviously there's a lot of chain differences. And my dad does a lot of domestic stuff. He does the dishes like he does a lot. Yeah. But yeah, because when my mom was like, she doesn't have to do that. He was like, yes, she does have to. And she said she said something like something like she's a woman that made me mad. That mobilized you. Yeah, it did. Because also I said, well, no, I am. It's just me. Yeah, yeah. So yes, I do. I do not do the things that need doing because you're a woman. Exactly. Yeah. So I'm going to be so competent soon. I need to take a nap. Oh, I know what I want to say. And I don't know why I want to say. I think I want to encourage people to show their kids movies. Oh, all right. And I'm always struggling to like, what movie should I show? I know I want to watch a movie with generally Lincoln. Lincoln's now of an age where she can watch pretty much everything. So Mulan Rouge, a great movie had been forever. Like my daughter loves singing and musicals. And all of a sudden I'm like, oh, my God, Mulan Rouge. Have a how haven't I shown you that? So show her that that was a big hit. Yeah. And then the one that I just had a hunch she was going to love. And I bet you haven't seen this. Have you ever seen First Blood? No. The original Rambo? No. OK, now I bet you're put off immediately by hearing Rambo. But when I want to compare it to and it's a perfect comp, Rocky, the first one was nominated for Best Picture. Right. You might have even won. You might have won that year. The subsequent Rockies are more cartoonish. They're more like superhero movies. He's he's less of a real person and whatever. But the first one is a legit masterpiece. OK, he did one Best Picture for that. It won Best Picture. Yep. 1976. There you go. None of the other Rockies were going to even get nominated. Right. The original Rambo, First Blood is an incredible movie. And it's poignant and it's really dealing with the issue of the times, which were like these kind of wayward Vietnam vets who were just back in America and everyone hated them and they had no role anymore. And it's a great movie. OK. But he's immediately he wants to stop in this town to visit an old friend of his from Delta Force. He finds out that guy's dead. He's really sad. He wants to stop in this tiny little town in the Cascade Mountains in Washington and have a meal. But the sheriff does not want him there because he's clearly a Vietnam vet and this escalates. They arrest him. He's having flashbacks. Anyways, it turns into a manhunt in the mountains. OK. And not only did she love it, what I loved was like she loved it for the same reason I did as a kid and even watching it again is like she wants to know if she could survive. She was like, I want to be chased and see if I could get away to. I'm like, yes, me too. OK, wow. OK. Stay tuned for more. I'm an expert. If you dare. He has a knife and in the knife, he's got matches and a kit to sew up his suture himself as he needs. He's does a one stop shop for survival. Wow. Yeah. And it's a really appealing tale. If you have Lincoln, a nice personality. Yeah. Yeah. To the degree that she's like, I want to figure out how to have a birthday party. That's like a survival. Oh, that's fun. It sounds like a lot of moving parts for me. It also sounds like you need a liability waiver for your friends. Yes, we all those knives. You got to have a knife. Yeah. Yeah. And who are we going to defend ourselves against? Or something that's kind of fun, like a survivor birthday party. I took her to Charlie's son had a birthday party at Paypal. Yeah, you may recall this. Ace. Yes. And the whole way she was like nervous, was afraid. It's all boys shooting. Paypal's at each other. And I just was like, honey, I just have a hunch. You're going to love this, actually. And she loved it the most. Yeah. She was so into it. So people's kind of that. You get to see if you can survive and outfox the other. Or what's that called? Laser tag. Laser tag. Yeah, that's like a more G-rated version. That's fun. Yeah, I mainly just kind of hid. I was in defensive mode. That's how I survived. That's a good strategy. Yeah, that's my strategy. I don't know that that movie is going to be for me. No, it's a great movie. OK. Kristen was watching it too. And she was like, oh my God, this I can't believe this is such a great movie. I would have never thought Rambo, John Rambo was a good movie. To the point where she went to bed early and we finished it. And then she woke up in the morning to finish it. I think that's a testament. OK, that is good. Yeah. One other thing now that we're talking about things you've we've watched. Yeah. I started DTF St. Louis. It's fun. Are you you're watching it? Yeah. I mean, I only watched the first episode. I started the second episode. It's so good. Of course, Stephen Conrad. Stephen Conrad, the patriot, your favorite show. Favorite show. I've watched it four times. It's Bateman. It's David Harbour. And it is so good. It is so funny and weird and very him, very Stephen Conrad. Where it's like, what is this? Like tonally, but oh my God, I was like dying, laughing. Oh, I can't wait. They're. Kristen has gone back to work. So it's kind of tricky to be a nice show. That's a show I'm not allowed to watch. Sure. On your own. Yeah. Well, it's fantastic. Yeah, that's the only reason I haven't seen it yet. I want to be clear. Because I'm an Ultimate Stephen Conrad fan. Highly recommended. It has a Peroni's disease. Yeah, it does. Yay. Ding, ding, ding. Which seems like it goes right in after you. Oh, wow. It does. I'm going to feel very seen. This is Peroni. I don't have it anymore. Yeah, let's be clear. You don't have it. I don't have it. I had it. Sure. But you can heal from it, which I did, luckily. That was also seeing David Harbour since all of the drama. At first, it was like all I could think about. You were distracted by that. I was distracted by the drama. I was like, oh, yeah, David Harbour. I mean, he's so good. It's crazy. He's a beast. He's so talented. It just made me think. I mean, I already think this. This isn't new for me. But I'm like, just like celebrity gossip is so annoying. Like just let people do their jobs. Unless they're, of course, if they're hurting people. Sure. Abusing people. Yes, that's bad, clearly. And people need to go to jail. But I'm just like. Being bad girlfriends and boyfriends. Yeah, I just don't need to hear about it anymore. I just want to be able to watch these people entertain. That's their job. I guess if I'm trying to be like third person observer of it, I'm an alien. I would imagine there's something comforting about knowing people that you feel like have too much good luck or good fortune are suffering and flawed is somehow comforting. I know. But like, yeah, a shot in Freud, but it's annoying because, OK, so what if he didn't get that? Obviously, they had already shot. I'm sure they had already shot that show by the time on the time. What if he didn't get it because of that? Like we'd all miss out on that performance. Like he's, I don't know. It's just I'm just I'm sick of celebrity talk. OK. Anyway, facts. Speaking of facts. Oh, I have an update that leads right into facts. Right. Love it. So the Amanda Pete episode. Yes. Was so fun in that I have now connected those two. Lake and Amanda. Lake and Amanda are now friends and they're chatting and I'm on a text thread with them. Right. And I said, you know what? I have a concept already. I had come up with for Zach and I. Sure. It's yours. Oh, wow, you handed it out over. So now it may come from them. Nature versus nurture may come from us. We'll see. But it's I've gifted that concept to them if they want to explore it. Oh, so are you identical twins separated? Yeah. I mean, the hijinks and zoos. Yeah. It's like a race to see who. No, I wish them well. I'm not ready to go make a movie. So. All right. Yeah. I mean, I guess we are. It is like two episodes back to back that are doppled, gang or heavy. Yeah. Yeah. Which is kind of fun. Yeah. Oh, other updates. Sorry from Amanda Pete. Mm hmm. Amanda, Anka. Mm hmm. Ding, ding, ding. Sad. Right. She's married to Bateman, right? Oh, yeah. And she's married to Bateman. Yeah. But she came up. She did. Amanda was suggesting that she probably had done all this new moon stuff. Oh, yeah. And she told me that. Well, let me see exactly. She participated in some. OK. OK. She wants. I hope she didn't cut her hair. Funny you would say that. No cinnamon or salt, but I would not wash my hair. Good. That was her text. Good for her. Did she wear red? I said, and did you wear red? She said socks. I usually sneak the red. OK. Yeah, that's fine. That'll work. I was told you can do even your underwear as long as it's something. That'll prevent the jinxing. Yeah. Speaking of that, my mom, I just forget, like she is so superstitious. And every time we're at a restaurant and we have a drink, she has to cheer. She we cheer. We always have to cheer. And she always says to good luck and good fortune, I think. Something like that. Good health and good fortune. I forget it, but she has to say it every time. And if she does, it's like, you know, it's a panic. We got to say it. Who knocks on wood first when you guys are together? Her. Her. She's beating you to the knock on wood. I think. Maybe. Probably same time. Perfectly synchronized, probably. But it was funny because we were talking about the. We're talking about these superstitions and like cracks. Cracks in the side. Well, you know, not walking on cracks in the sidewalk and stuff. And my dad was like, cracks. And what are what cracks in the sidewalk? There aren't any cracks in the sidewalk. And she was like, yeah. And I said, yeah, you know, when they, the two, the two pieces meet, he said, oh, the joints, you know, he knows all this verb. But she's like, oh, the joints. No, those are there to prevent cracks. It's true. I was like, oh, wow. She was like, so you can step on those. They're crack prevention. Exactly. OK, this is also a ding ding ding because we're talking about shows. I started the new scrubs since since. And as I think I mentioned, I loved the original scrubs. So tell me, I hadn't watched the first, but to me, it seems like they did it. That's the exact same show. They nailed it. It's so good. And that tone is so specific. Those jokes are so specific. The writing like is all. I can't believe they're able to do it again and recreate it and have them all be older and it's still work. And it is it's spectacular. That has to be quite a challenge. Yeah, they really they hats off. Congrats, guys. It's a good luck and good fortune. It did make me. It did make me. I cried, of course, because like that's what they do. Yeah. But also I was like, I was feeling so nostalgic watching it. I was right back to being in college when I would call it and I would watch it. Yeah. And to talk about JD. Well, we didn't. Is that his name in the name? OK. Jondorian. Oh, his name. And like. Yeah, it it made me. You made me sad. Maybe happy, sad. Just sure. Bittersweet. This is such a weird feeling. I don't like it. She's a weird mistress. She is. I wish she would. I wish she would die. Oh, no. Oh, no, I love Nostalgia. It makes me feel too many things. Oh, I like it. I don't want to feel those things. OK. Um, oh, my God, a huge sim. OK. Huge sim. So he told us a story about how they were in him and Donald Faizan were in Vegas. They saw the chain smokers at this club. Yeah. And I was going to look up the club. Yeah. Also, but when we had the chain smokers on, they were telling us about the residency at the WAN, I think it is. Well, hold. OK. So then I edited this episode, you know, and I write down my facts. And then I go to pee. The minutes later. Yeah, I go to pee. I'm looking at an Instagram during my pee. Mm hmm. Nicole, our friend, Nicole, stylist. Chavez. Nicole Chavez had a post. She was in Vegas. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The day that day. Uh huh. Um, with Donald and Casey. OK. At the chain smokers. Chainsokers at the, I guess, the opening of Zero Bond. OK, I don't know what that is. So that's a club and it's in and there was an opening. And what hotel's it in? I thought the win. But yeah, well, that's what I think. Yeah, it's at the win. Win. The R.W.Y.N.N. Right. So that was wild. Yeah, that's the dingles. Anyway, so a lot of people were at that opening. It was like a place to be. Sure. They probably sent jets for people. They sent who? Sent jets for people. Oh, probably. It's kind of female. Say, hey, if you want to come to this night club, we'll send a jet. OK, how, what percentage of Lasik eye surgeries go awry? Well, I think it's very rare. Yeah, infamatesimal. Occurring in less than 1% of cases. Yeah, they've got it nailed. Often cited around .3% to .7. Oh, however, temporary manageable side effects like dry eye, halos or glare affect up to 30% to 45% of patients in the months following surgery. That's temp. That's temp, yeah. I got new sunglasses. I've been wearing the exact same pair of sunglasses for 12 years. I found a pair I loved and I never deviated. Yeah. Leisure Society. They're great. Yeah, you love those. Well, they got me with an Instagram ad. Leisure Society. Whole new frames. And I got three new pair and my family's been making fun of me so much. Why? Just because dad got new sunglasses. You know, dad's just the resident dork. Oh, that's the role you play as dad. I love them. Yeah, I think they're great. Yeah, they think they look great, too. They're just laughing at the fact that I got a new after 12 years. I have a new sunglasses and I was wearing them a lot. Yeah, sure. And so that's just stupid, you know. Yeah, like what if your dad was wearing new sunglasses? You and Neil are probably like, oh, my God, dad in this new sunglasses. I don't know if we would, but yeah. OK, he said on their podcast for one of them, one of the episodes they had a sex therapist on and I was like, I bet I bet it's Vanessa. OK. We had on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I looked it up and sure is. It was. Yeah. That makes sense. Yes, Vanessa. Great episode. Great gal. Oh, one thing I wanted to remind everyone if they forgot, which they definitely did. The first episode was Zach Braff was the original Monica loves boys. How it started. So there was a picture of me looking at Zach. OK. That, you know, Rob would take pictures during the episode. He took a picture and I'm smiling in such a way. You look like you're in love with him. Yes. And then we that's when we came up with Monica loves boys. Just the name Monica loves boys. I think Rob wrote it on the picture. And then really took off. Yeah. Who's the one year no beer guy? Co-founders Rewari Fairbairns and Andy Rommage or Rommage. Those are them. They do one year no beer. Seems like maybe it's Andy Rommage mainly. That's who he was talking about. I think so. That's who you heard interviewed. I believe so. That's it. That's all. Yeah. That's it for Zach Braff. OK. Number two. Thanks Zach Braff. Number two. Good job on scrubs. Double Ganger. I wonder people start telling me they like me on scrubs. They might. They like the reboot. I know but we established you guys are. We don't really look at it like anymore. But you. It's there is something weird. Oh yeah. It's like the mouth eyes. There's something going on for sure. It's the whole phase. Yeah. But it's also much different than it was. It is different. It is definitely different than it was. But also quite similar. Yeah. Yeah. Not as similar but still similar. Yeah. That's what we were going to say. It's just so weird because I don't have one. That we've met yet. Well the gal from season three. No your friend on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. She came back in the new season. Yeah of course. By popular demand. She is not my doppelganger. Yeah. No. OK. What's her name again. No one ever thinks. She's your friend. No one ever thinks they're doppelgangers. They're doppelgangers. You think it. You know it. Well because I'm exceedingly honest. What. Mine's not about being honest. That girl is beautiful. You know what you would agree. That people. Rob I want you to be very honest. Why don't you show on from the first season. Yeah. That's probably what she looks like now. But that's her on a red carpet with her hair slicked back and short. Like that's. Maybe Rob you should pull up. OK now pull up a picture of me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's not a doppelganger. It's not. But. It's not. Wait wait wait. We got one more. OK. She has a much cuter nose than me. She's. There we go. Look at that. I love with the eye shadow and the shape. That's a shame. Yeah. That could be you. We shave your sides and put some dark eye shadow on. Her nose is. And she can give mean eyes like you can. But she's probably just on the verge of rolling her eyes which is going to send him to the ground. That's a really old picture. Look at that. I don't. Do we. Maybe I can't be object. Do you really think those look the same. I can see it. But I was like 20 in that picture. She's probably 24 in that picture. I was actually probably like 24 in that picture. That was my first headshot. Wait I don't know who's. Wait which one's her. Yeah I love her. I think she's great. She was also in Debs. Yeah she was. Yeah. She's your friend on Instagram. Yeah. I have a lot of friends. Your best friend. I have a lot of friends on Instagram. She's my friend. Yeah. I follow her on Instagram. That's your friend. Yeah that's my friend. That's your friend. I follow her on Instagram. Oh there's my other friend I follow on Instagram. Oh there's one too. All right well you're not buying it. Listen by the way I wish that I wish that she was my doppelganger. See this is where your own like body and face dysmorphia get in your way. Like you wouldn't be able to see as soon as you identify someone else is pretty then they're no longer your doppelganger. That's like literally what's happening right now. You're like oh she's really pretty. She's not my daughter. Her nose is different than mine. Yes and Zach has many different aspects of his face than I do. He's got black hair. Well that. We have different chins. I know well. We have a lot of different stuff. But there's some thing that is eerily similar. Her nose is nice. Maybe I should take that into the plastic surgeon and say make me look like that. All right well. Anyways it's good to see my friend. It's good to check in. Bye love you. Bye love you.