Justin Pierre of Motion City Soundtrack

I do believe that like energy attracts like energy and all of these kids that have now grown up like I'll I'll get some really heavy shit like I You know our music saved their life and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, you know in reality I believe they heard what they needed to hear at a certain time And if we're anything we're a catalyst, which is fucking great That was the moment where things clicked and then they did the work, right? That's the reality but to them we save them and both things can be true Middle-aged man. Yeah, yeah, we're middle-aged. They were middle-aged Yeah, or I like to think I'm almost middle-aged. Okay. I like to think I'm gonna live to be a hundred and 110 what year are you born? 79 oh shit. I'm older than you you are 76. Oh 76 So I think I am a great age. I think I'm I think I'm officially gen X. Yeah, I am too. Okay. Oh anything for 80 Okay, good. You know what I heard anyways, what it makes me like it right on goddamn millennials Hi, you know what my wife is a millennial. Yeah, dare you yeah, I think they get a bad rap Gen Z Oh my god, you know what I think here's my theory if I think Gen Z isn't afraid to say what they feel And I think they're not afraid. I feel like there's a combination of Gen X and Gen Z or they're like similarities And I think Gen X likes liked to go everything sucks Yeah, we did and then reality bites, but we just don't do anything. We're just like nothing is Yeah, it's just like whatever we don't expect anything things are just this way I'm gonna do my thing and whereas Gen Z is like everything sucks and We're gonna go make some noise Think if Gen X could get behind Gen Z and and take their orders from them and be like, how can we help? Yeah, you know, I think that a force could be created to affect some change I'm hopeful, but I'm usually not hopeful but in that scenario. I feel like Something might could happen. I feel okay every generation We are kind of like standing on their shoulders and we're dialing in the things We think they did wrong and so it's we're as young when we're young parents and we're you know I was 29 when I had my first kid Okay, and I thought I was gonna figure it out that I read the books and I did the things and I was like This is how we're doing it and then as a 40-something year old dad I'm like, yeah, and I meet young parents who are having their first kid and they're the same way as there should be Because that shows I want to put my best foot forward So that's a good thing and the wisdom you have when you're older is like yes You should put your best foot forward so you don't criticize that I just go yeah good good luck Do it go for it and you might and they will figure some stuff out but Also, your kid is who they are The best thing I think you can do is be there and try which is what we were doing So I don't think we got it wrong But I also realized like I didn't have as much control as I thought I did or I wanted To like because I think what we want to do is give them this like perfect life But that's not reality or the things that we feel like we didn't get we want to give them and overdo it What I found is my daughter doesn't need that doesn't need something I need Or needed or wanted and so I'm giving it to her but she doesn't need that she needs the opposite of that She needs what I got like growing up right but likely it's because you're there Yeah, well, I think when kids feel safe they feel like they can fight and you know push back push against it Yeah, so I guess it's just yeah parenting is hard and beautiful. It's amazing But also I also believe it's a life-changing experience. It really is it's it's really great. I also think It's not for everyone. Some people don't want to have kids I also think sometimes that's turned into this like what's wrong with you and there's nothing wrong with that Perspective it's been amazing for me and it's taught me a lot and it's been been a great experience and I've learned it's just as as much a process and journey or whatever you want to call it a trip of self So I'm working on myself. I'm trying to fix myself or think I need to fix some things and over that whole period I've learned like it's this imperfect complicated dynamic process where you're not gonna get it perfect ever and Also, I think the key is just trying and trying and trying and trying. Yeah, that's put forward I find if I can kind of I feel like I feel like this is related, but sometimes I just go off on weird tangent But I think if you can follow their joy That is important so that you do I mean like you know And this like I kind of had to learn to be mad at my parents at some point so that I could come through and then Realize that they were just people just like you yeah And so I was kind of forced to play sports and I was not good at it And I didn't love it and just made me anxious and I was kind of the you know last person picked Hmm, and I just so I don't care about sports Hmm, but I like my daughter wanted to play soccer and I went and it was amazing seeing little girls play soccer They actually passed to each other and did things whereas when I watch the boys over there There's everybody's going for the ball. Yeah. Yeah. It was like wow. This is really cool I like soccer and then she was like done now I want to try basketball and I just love that she like went from thing to thing right following her joy or trying stuff And I think I was brought up with the mentality that like no you got to stick to the thing you can't just keep quitting and and then eventually on her own she found musical theater she's ten mm-hmm But like that's the thing she loves and I just had instruments around the house and never like forced anything Yeah, same. I mean really like books just like my wife and I always wanted to have a library So we have a room that's just full of books and a snake, but yeah We have a we have a room of books too. Yes books are great Yeah, my wife is a she devours books. She reads all the time I got into audiobooks because once my kid was born I used to read like two books a week and then my kid was born and I couldn't read anymore Like it just I don't know what it was and then I discovered audio books And then I discovered that I could listen to them at like 2.5 to 3 speed and I read 300 books that way last year and it's crazy crazy man Yeah, like I I think it's just cuz my brain goes really fast. Can I ask a question? Yeah, yeah, Tim Kassher? Yeah, yeah, he's a sweetheart, right sweetheart Barry. Yeah, okay, Barry cool cuz I worship at the altar of cursive Oh amazing band him was I listened to that episode. So I was like, oh, I see sweet. Yeah, and very Humble I found him to be very generous humble not Pretentious which sometimes maybe it's me But like I think like I was even a little nervous to talk to you because I always think like really cool bands in my mind Are gonna be maybe pretentious or something and it's an old thing But I disarm it like I know I know that it's me So I come in to every conversation Expecting to have a great conversation But there's a little like self-esteem thing probably that first my first when they're like so-and-so It's coming on the show like they are Oh, and then I'm like, well, what am I gonna talk to him about? Oh, you know, I'm like there so so Tangents let's go on tangents. That's yeah Film though. I heard like film books music if I had to say to me it's our own books music Don't tell anyone. Oh shit. Yeah, I told everyone But yeah, sorry what we were talking about before him and yeah So we're giving her a little bit of their flowers played with them and stuff and I just I don't know what my problem was like certain people I'm just like I can't talk to and I know that he's like a person. Yeah. Yeah, he's really cool guy Okay, cool people. Did you guys you played with him? Did you get any time with him? Did you get to have? I think I was just too scared right but like I kind of how I am I even went to their the ugly organ when they played that record in Portland at the Douglas fir, which I don't think there's any shows there anymore Hmm, but yeah, that was a great place to see them. It's a cool band. Yeah, I really liked him Yeah, I thought it was cool that he came on the show this show is was was started for bands Okay, so that to me is like the core if you had like a DNA or like a personality trait for this show I would say we're like a band first show. Okay, cuz I felt at the time There's just no really good platforms for bands to be able to promote what they're doing in like a cool thoughtful way That wasn't just like more bite-sized content for some which I'm not hating on it It's great for bands to get any look remote. I'm really terrible right and none of us do Okay, and so I think like the best way we can promote our art is to actually Have conversations that feel like more meaningful The way you would if you were talking to another band or another or a music fan And you got into a real conversation about just one last night, right? Yeah, that was great It's like I just want to say to I get I hate this word vibe But like and I'm not energy. What is anyway? Yeah? Yeah, you make talking very easy like I feel very Comfortable talking to you and that's that's something that happens easily for me. I'm usually like me too Okay, again though That's why I like doing this because it gives me a because actually love to talk But I at the same time can be shy Okay in the wrong environment or if we're at like a festival or if we're at an award show or if we're at a wherever if you went to a party and you talk to everyone there or You talk to one person and had an amazing conversation for an hour Yeah, what's more valuable? I don't know but you could say both. Yeah, they have different positives and negatives because you don't get as much Information but you get a variety of information when you talk to a lot of people Whereas if you talk to one person you really get to know them. It's a deep dive. Yeah, but then you miss out on maybe another Person or two or three. Yeah that you could have had a similar conversation with that's why every party that I go to I stay for at least two or three days just so I can hit everybody. That's good. Yeah I was to try that. 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I've started to use the word flooded instead of overwhelmed. That's good one because it can Flooded can go away a little faster than overwhelm. Hmm. Yeah water. So if I feel flooded I'll be it that I instead of saying I'm overwhelmed. I'll just go now I'm just a little flooded right now. Isn't it weird how you can change a little thing and have such a big effect Like golf golf swing. Oh my god. I can't my entire family my aunt owns a golf course in Texas Like you from Texas. No, I'm from Minnesota. I don't know how that happens. Where do you live? I live in Minneapolis Oh, so yeah, love me. Yeah, I'm cold in the winters. It's really cold and people don't know this but in the summers Disgustingly hot very hot humid Lots of gnats a lot of lakes there. Yeah, a lake lake life 10,000 of them. Yeah, actually, I think the number is more but for some reason 10,000 seemed like a nicer thing to put on Did you always have access to a lake somewhere? No, I grew up in the sticks as I like to call it a little place called Grant Township between still water Modern me die Lake Elmo Nobody knows where that is. I went to school called modern me die. I grew up in the sticks to ice So when you were a certain age, did you just peace out? Yeah, right? Because that's where the art was That's where the music was and I wanted to make it. So we the same person. You might be okay three years apart. All right Yeah, yeah, how many kids do you have one one? That's great I think Ashley came out my wife was like one and done. I was like, yes, ma'am. Have you always lived in Minnesota? Mm-hmm. That's great. Yeah, I don't know I love it for some reason Josh and I both because we grew up there Josh the other guitar player he was in St. Paul and so I like to say I was the country mouse and he was the city mouse Yeah, and yeah, and we like met in high school different bands and then he just He grabbed me and like pulled me along and it was probably the worst and best decision Where's Josh right now? He is probably hanging with his brother. Maybe his brother is Jesse Kane He is an incredible he works in the film industry. He shot. He's like done a couple of Christopher Nolan films DPs I think he was he's like the I max like he's got like I don't know how to talk But he shot our music video that was like a severance ripoff. Yeah, and But yeah, he's made a bunch of our music videos and the very second video We did he built all the sets for because he was a set builder for Kelly Reichard Right, I'm saying her name, right? But Wendy and Lucy. Oh my god It's good, but so he worked for her and he just kept working his way up. I think he worked for Todd Salon's and Yeah, and like he's just crushing it. That's great. Yeah, I didn't talk about Josh at all. I talked about his brother Sorry, Josh, but he's probably with his brother. Yeah in LA. Yeah, so they're hanging out. What are you guys doing in LA? I'm doing this. I get to go. I'm so okay. Here's a maybe this is fun Mm-hmm always wanted to make movies kind of fell into music and I kept Flunking out of my college courses because I would go on tour and at some point I think I just said this like around the third record I stopped referring to myself as a failed filmmaker and a musician, right? But I still wanted to do that, you know, and I shot both well What's crazy is that a lot of these kids that listen to us are now in their 30s And a lot of them have jobs in the film industry So when you ask me what I'm doing, I'm gonna go to an editing suite and watch a movie A film be edited from a guy named Carlos Lopez Estrada because he was at a show I think when we were young and he posted a video and then my friend Andy Young who's an editor was like, oh, hey, I know Justin I do want to like because they were watching us and then he just hooked us up And then I just went to Mexico to watch him shoot a film and it was like the coolest thing ever Like that's the world that I want to be, you know, a part of mm-hmm And so I just feel so fortunate that I get to have these experiences now Awesome and like Andy helped me shoot a bunch of music or like edit a bunch of music videos for my own solo project And I don't know it's just so cool to meet these people and they like actually want to work with me and like, you know Let me into their lives. That's what I'm doing today. I'm gonna go to the editing thing and then a comedy show Something typewriter dynasty typewriter. That's the typewriter. Yeah, that's very cool. Yeah, Andy was like you got to go see this And so yeah, all right, bought a ticket. So and then I'll go to bed. That's great. Yeah Yeah, I'm not surprised that people want to work with you. Okay. I think it's just cuz I'm me Yeah, I'm surprised but I know what that's like when it comes to the people that I like Of course, that's the same thing and it is the same thing. I got to get over that and just accept it But yeah, it's hard. I think that's where the therapy comes in Yeah, because I wonder how long you've wrestled with it and what that's blocked you from a lot You know what I mean? Like if you think about how big the world is and then how big we make things inside of us I think it goes back to like making big deals out of things that don't matter But also creating these stories in our heads that aren't true in narratives Yeah, and if the brain is a computer it wants to get from point A to point B in the fastest way and it has been like This road has been built this neural network or whatever and to change that takes a hell of a lot of time to go No, actually, let's go this way now. Yeah, that's what I believe that's why therapy is important because we have to check the narratives in our minds before we Accept them as the truth because I don't think our brain knows the difference And how we feel is what we think we feel and feeling wait and hold on. What is it feelings aren't facts? No, they're not they're feelings. Yeah, so if I feel today is bad today is bad But it's today bad doesn't have to but it's maybe bad for you and maybe you do have a bad day It will yeah, yeah today was bad But like necessarily is but but also like I and I say this for people listening because because a lot of people listen to This show for these kinds of ideas if I'm going through my day and I perceive it to be really bad Mm-hmm Then I need to stop and I need to make that list of why it's so bad And then if it's just because I feel it's bad then I need to stop and try to check with that Okay, because if no one in my life passed away if I didn't get diagnosed with a horrible disease If I if no no real misfortunes befallen me on that day, which is a high likelihood it hasn't yeah Are you my therapist? I am okay today. Yeah, this is wild. Yeah, and then are we going forward or backward? Okay, so we want to go forward That's the way towards things and towards growth and towards the future Backwards is something like well, you can't really go backwards You can go backwards from progress perspective, but in life you can only go forward So if we're sitting there and we're fighting for the the forward progress of things We're just staying in one place, but that's not actually the truth of your life You are going forward anyways And so at what rate do you want to go forward or do you want to be pulled forward by someone either way you're going forward? Okay, I'm I'm my mind is blown and I'm also sorry. Are you sure you have more? I always have more okay, but please let's stop there So like with I think actually that's all the time we have today Thanks No, that's no go ahead. I was just joking with it Uh with respect to oh, it's just being funny. What is that word? I want to use um meditation meditation is great Never understood it. I always thought I was doing it wrong and then you can't do it wrong Well, I'm hearing that but I still don't know number one rule of meditation is don't judge the meditation. Can I talk? Yes, okay Sorry, uh teak. Not Han. Yeah. Yeah He was the one that like did it for me. He's like when you're doing a thing Do that thing and tell yourself. I'm doing that thing And the first thing I did was I went and shoveled snow minnesota. I'm like I'm shoveling snow And it was weird everything just kind of went And so I think that is the meditation I've been trying to do and I'm not great at it But just doing whatever you're doing without other thoughts and things and then just tell yourself you're doing that thing It's so simple but we overthink things because we were taught or criticized or whatever Everyone's different, but it's important for everyone to hear it because actually the human brain and living organisms are inclined to survive so we naturally get better So if I do just that thing and just try Every time I do it. I'll get better Yeah Do you think there's a I mean in me there's a thing that's like I expect myself to be Perfect at it the first time like yeah, that's because you're hard on yourself because you're a perfectionist because you're an artist And you likely also got rejected early in life very much So then you you internalize the rejection as as you did it. Oh, shit So then you start so then you start criticizing yourself to protect yourself from rejection And then I can't enjoy the things when people are like, hey, good job or like, oh, I like that thing I'm like I I had to learn how to not make excuses for everything. Oh, yeah, I just uh I didn't uh might have well and you're like instead of going. Thank you. That's it. Yeah. Good show. Thanks Thanks, I had fun and I'm like, thank you when you get a compliment and you're like us a special guys Right and we can't take a compliment. I'm just gonna self-deprecate myself. Well, I'm fine I finally did something right or some dumb joke I make about myself. I'm not a big dumb piece of shit Well, don't come tomorrow night then because it won't be as good as you know Whatever I say instead. I just go no, okay. Stop making fun of myself It's not that you let go of that and you'll never be able to so don't worry about that Okay, you have to hold your achievement. You have to hold your talent. You have to hold The things that make you special and good so that you feel like you are good I think what I'm hearing or what I'm taking from that is like I can still do those things being like weird about myself But it's almost like adding the positive with it And I might dilute some of that negative balances it all out because also you deserve But also when someone gives you a compliment they deserve to be acknowledged as well Instead of dismissing them as stupid because they don't know what they're talking about. Oh, I don't think people are stupid I just get uncomfortable. Right. But for me it was you know, they don't know me How fucking bad I am Like you know, it's like it's like like if well if you knew me you'd hate me Okay, oh my god, like that kind of thing and instead of more than like five minutes with me. Yeah, you would know So what I'm saying is is that's like self-esteem thing and I I know that I've been dealing with that my whole life When someone gives you a compliment about your work or or your shirt or your family or anything You got to hold it. You got to say thank you. Someone came on the show the other day They hit me up and they're like, this is the best press thing I ever did and I was like, thank you so much I try really hard. Hmm That's actually the truth. Yeah. Well, just so you know, like I am having a really good time talking. I'm glad Okay, I don't know how you're feeling and I don't need, you know, it's any validation. But like, yeah You don't have to worry. You don't have to think twice about how I feel. This is my favorite thing. I do Okay, so I never have a bad time But like you I I talk too much. Okay, so I always am hard on myself And I always like just shut up and let let other people talk I even put tape on my face once it didn't work didn't work. Yeah Never does we have a song called stop talking. There's like, you know, it's just So my kid says to me, she's like motion city soundtrack though is very movie Adjacent band name. Oh, yeah, that was my picture soundtrack. Well, you know what the first record back when they sold CDs in in stores was uh Nobody could find it because they would put it in the soundtrack section So we that's funny very stupid about the name, but it was also funny. Um, but yeah, it sucked Don't worry. We'll get back to therapy. Okay. Yeah, are we gonna get to the music part? Well, I just wonder if you've had a good time here or in music in music your career. You've had a great career I have well, thanks. Thank you and I try really hard I try my best I am a robot I'm not a robot you guys have sold over 1.4 million albums worldwide What with 1 million plus in the u.s. Alone over your career. Holy shit. Tell me more Commit this to memory peak that number two on the billboard independent albums Even if it kills me debuted at number 16 on the billboard 200 and hit number one on the independent album start Holy hell 700 uh thousand monthly spotify listeners. My daughter's really obsessed with that With the number of monthly listeners. Oh my god, dad. You have this you're famous. Don't you love that though? I do and then I'm like, but I'm like, hey They're like yes, but only with a very specific type of person Who has mental health issues like me? You know I would say you're wrong about that. I think that um, if you look at all bands We tend to have lower monthly listeners than pop artists because you can't track the same can't compare I'm not talking numbers. Right. I I just want her talking had to be a little bit more grounded. I don't want Why do you why? I think she's super proud of you Shit, and I think that I think of like I'm I'm like don't tell anyone but I think I'm becoming my parents I just think that I think that you are super cool Your band your band is super cool. The music is really a good listen Okay, like I really enjoy the music like it makes me feel happy Okay, and I think that's probably where you get your outlet. Oh, yeah I think you really have a lot of joy when you make the music. I can hear it. I well, okay There's so many things go to the need to film school Um or this community college that was super cheap at the time Um Now they have a whole program My favorite teacher was a guy named hafed busida and he if you've ever seen adaptation Uh that movie spike jones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, remember the scene with robert mckay played by brian cox Where uh, I think nicolas cage his character charlie kaufman goes to See him speak about movies. No but continue. Okay, basically hafed was like him and so He would have us do these, you know Assignments and then we show up and everybody would have to get up and you know read their script or do whatever And then he'd be like, all right class. What do you think? And then the kids be or the people in the class would always be like, oh, this is great Or whatever blah blah blah and then he's like, well it was shit And this is why and then he would explain it and like you couldn't argue with them You're like, oh shit. Good. That's interesting. Yeah, and then he's like who's next and like it was terrifying But then if you did something that was good, he'd be like, this is amazing because then here you set this thing up And then you didn't say what you were doing. Well, you know, and I love that dude And so I think what happened being somebody who always wanted to make movies since I saw twin peaks on tv Uh classic. Yeah was um I used the screenwriting stuff that I learned and put it into the lyrics. Mm-hmm I think that's what I did in terms of storytelling So every song is a mini movie kind of I mean, I also feel like I kind of Say the same thing a lot too, but in different ways so do a lot of uh writers and directors There's a del the funky homo sapien line. I find a new way to say whatever's clever I don't know that jumped in you could say that a lot of directors and writers are saying the same thing in every movie But I really like the ones that are like you can't tell that they're the same direct like richard linklater His movies are all over the place and they're all good jonathan demmy was another one. We're like, holy crap. His movies are all over I do like that, but then at the same time I like jim jarmu. She's my favorite director of all time You love movies. Oh my god. I could talk about movies all day. Well, here's the thing I think that I just like watching them. Yeah, I like watching. I don't like knowing about them Well, here's the thing I can also watch a movie and I have no idea what's happening because I'm just like I miss the big stuff and I go right to the tiny things and I'm like the way she Closed that I know that she feels this And then I'm missing the whole point of the thing, but I just get right into it and I love the way things look I love the way things make me feel I think film and television growing up like I could have feelings Like I could make sense of the world through that and I think everybody does that to some degree But I think that's how I learned to be human In a way by imitating Uh, the people that I saw literally their expressions there How they said things the I had literal quotes. I still do it like And then being like them and it's like I learned how to have I don't know. Wow. I'm getting into it. Yeah, get into it Excuse me. I should have done that off the mic No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I get Neil hamburger Do you remember him Neil hamburger? No. Oh my god. Look it up. Oh, well, I forget his real name, but oh my god It's the dumbest shit. It's so funny. Uh Do you think stupid equals funny is the best equation for comedy? David Wayne would be a um Maybe not the best, but do you enjoy that stuff stupid equals funny? Okay? I think there always has to be someone playing it straight Yeah, and someone playing You know, uh, whatever that version of stupid or dumb or Over the top. I think those are the two I do think you need a partner to be stupid. You have you need someone playing it smart or straight. I think the To make it even make more sense. What I'm trying to say is like Yes, I think you have to be grounded in reality and have no idea that you're being funny Right an example would be from I'm just gonna pick one but from the movie the 10 That David Wayne directed there's it's just a bunch of like 10 little mini movies, but there's a I think it's liev schreiber and somebody else They're like one upping each other as neighbors by buying like MRI machines And whoever gets the most and like that's the dumbest shit ever, but it's so funny because they're just like oh, he got another one I got to get two more, you know Anyway, but that's yeah, I like comedy. Um, I'm an easy. I'm an easy customer though I think I am too. I'll laugh at pretty I love comedy. All right. Do you want to get into movies? Uh, we can get into movies, but I don't feel like I'm I feel like you are language Yes, so I would love to talk about movies, but I fear that I'm not As well equipped in knowing who directed it who wrote it and I also tend to be I love an indie movie But I need to be turned on to it or told about it from a friend usually Because I'm more like a mainstream. I'll just watch netflix apple. I think I'll watch all of them is Like I'm excited for avatar 3 Okay, my daughter got me into that because I I have a thing with james Cameron where I think The one thing that he could use is the the dialogue and the that part just the dialogue in his movies But he does have some great lines in these movies, especially the ones that bill paxton Said all right. Well the sheer size of his movies. Oh my gosh would argue The opposite. Yeah, so I think that there is some people could say he could probably go deeper or or more Obscure in some spots with a dialogue But some people could also argue that he's done it perfect because of the size. Yeah, I I'm not invalidating anyone I'm just saying my personal taste is like right. It's almost like every friend named shane nelson who we've made All of the short films and music videos have done were with him. He's like, you know the best and and I hope to do more stuff with it anyway He had a really good Thought or idea Concept whatever you want to call it that like if something is almost perfect It's almost more infuriating than if something is like fine You know like like when you get what I think fine is average Hmm, and I think that what are good james Cameron has done is found the sweet spot For mainstream entertainment, right? Like titanic if you think about one of the greatest films of all time Yeah, just in the mag the the the size his the fact that the globe the entire world could agree Yeah in this sheer amount of times it's been viewed and the amount of Forget about the money right and the in the in the way it's it's called upon In other places and so I think what he's done is is it perfect? He'd probably tell you probably not it's not perfect But I don't know if it would be the same movie if it was all the way perfect. I think he nailed it I think it's a home run. I think it's like avatar, right? If we want it. That's why I'm an easy I'm not saying I'm an easy customer, but I appreciate people who can create art at scale I love that he's inventing technology. He's like uh, George Lucas like inventing technology to do what he wants to do That is mind-blowing. I would say the abyss is probably my favorite. Maybe. Yeah, I know that's like we do He did abyss didn't he do alien alien too and didn't he do terminator? Yes Did he both of them? Yes. I think he did both of them Did he do uh lies true lies that is a well, I don't know how the fair is now, but that was a great movie So I think You know what? I take it back some of his movies have perfect dialogue. You know what? I think you fucking convinced me I might have damn it. I might say that I didn't like avatar As a concept when I first heard about it and I saw it. I was like this is stupid But then my kid watched it and I watched it with her and I was like this is brilliant Yeah, so I'm inclined to Be excited about new worlds Okay, because I think we get so married to a star wars or a disney concept or this and we all go They'll never be another one and I'm like no they're will yeah, and I think somewhere out there right now There's a kid who just watched avatar because they just were born in that time and they didn't know about of the Franchises before that are now dreaming of some other Future franchise that will be I like the world in front of me. Mm-hmm and the possibility of New universes versus looking back and going well. It's not as good as star wars. I love star wars, but Don't tell anyone. Yeah the recent three. I think are my favorite because of the movement Not necessarily that oh my god. I'm contradicting myself I because yeah, not really because you never said you only like old stuff, but I'm saying no No, what I mean is like the dialogue thing like I'm I don't think I ever cared or noticed the dialogue in star wars But didn't matter. I think you're more I I think switch legs. Yeah, it's okay. Um, I think Yeah, we can actually I like the socks. Thank you. This is my daughter's I was like all black all the time And then my daughter just is a fashion I don't I don't know how she does it and I was thinking you were you were matching your car heart. Uh, oh my god. Nope And I like the connection there and there's a teacher at her school that is just like I don't understand How he puts it together. His name is mr. Cole Shout out got out mr. Cole Yeah, he's the music guy at the at the kids. Um They do a play every year and My kid's so excited because she wanted to be the villain in Pinocchio Jr. Oh, it's called my son Pinocchio and she got strumbly The puppet guy. Anyway, uh enough about her Let's talk about me, but she's got fashion and so I'm like Oh, just put things together that maybe don't make sense But it's just kind of fun to have color in my life I think that's a good thing. Yeah I do too Something that has blown my mind is that a lot of people give me credit for talking about mental health in the songs And that was never my intention Now Is that something that I should take credit for even though I didn't know I was doing it or should I not my I think You should acknowledge it the way they're acknowledging it. Yes But what's interesting now Is you know, I'm not going to go into specifics Specifics but my daughter needed some help with something and she actually like she went through a thing and she learned some skills And she knows how to regulate herself. I've never learned how to do that. No, none of us did not from our generation like But so I'm writing these songs. I'm just saying what I feel right years later I think when twitter started 2007 I would get all these messages about like, hey, I have ocd2 I have adhd2. I'm autistic too, and I'm like, what the fuck do you mean two? I was so confused and then, you know time goes on and I'm helping my kid and then suddenly like Oh, you have adhd and I'm like, what you have adhd? I I've got them all man. I want a lottery. Um, well Are you like a neurodivergent? Super. Okay. I won the I won the lottery basically. Yeah, you hit the jackpot. Yeah And it's been so fucking confusing. Yeah I'll bet like it makes my life make sense and now I don't have to be like I'm the dumbest piece of shit on earth Like it's just that I didn't know how to do things like other people and I kept trying to do it that way Now I know I can do it this way and kind of live in the same world and maybe circumnavigate some things Right, so that would be the big one then I would say you probably grew up in What the fuck is wrong with you? What's wrong with you? Why are you lazy? Why are you this? Why are you that? And then you probably spent most of your adulthood making sense of Okay, if we can learn what our idiosyncratic mannerisms That make us us actually make us us see that's I feel like i'm unraveling. I have no idea who I am like like my personality And I think of mahal and mahal and drive. Is that it? Yes, where she's like, I don't know who I am or whatever. Okay. Sorry and If I can Actually accept that as a good thing. I'm an idiosyncratic person. Yeah, I work the way I work I think the way I think I just do things a little differently differently from all these people But perspective probably not like all these people No, and that's the thing is the people that I do believe that like energy attracts like energy and all of these kids that have now grown up Like I'll I'll get some really heavy shit like I you know our music saved their life and stuff like that Yeah, yeah, you know in reality I believe they heard what they needed to hear at a certain time And if we're anything we're a catalyst, which is fucking great That was the moment where things clicked and then they did the work, right? That's the reality But to them we save them and both things can be true Yeah, right and that has been a trip and as I get older. I'm like, I know what you mean It's hard to accept it because I'm me, but I know how that feels, right? I got the weaker bands like holy shit. John K. Samson. Boom Tom waits Boom. Oh Karen carpenter Carpenters are one of my favorite bands. Hmm. And what I think I stole from them borrowed Is that you listen to the music and it's so beautiful and poppy and whatever But if you listen to the words, there's so fucking dark. Yeah, so like sad Yeah, oh, I love her so much. That's pretty cool. Yeah, and I think we do that a little bit too Yeah, you guys too, but the fans so then it's like, oh, I am like you But I didn't know I was like you and it's somehow I helped you and then you You showed me who I was by listening to me It's like, but you kind of always knew right? I knew something but I didn't I mean like I would kind of joke like yeah I'm anxious now, but I didn't know I had like Severe whatever the term is anxiety and I remember I mentioned it to my wife And I think she told her friend and her friend was like He's the fucking poster boy for anxiety. Like how the fuck did you not know that? You know, would you say your anxiety is less because you understand yourself more? I would say that I have fueled my way through life Using anxiety is like the gasoline and that's not great Because I it doesn't make me present. I'm always like this Um, so I'm trying to learn how to like be like this right just like hence the meditation and stuff Yeah, and it hasn't really happened Um, even on this last tour that we did like I don't think I opened my eyes for the first three songs like it's really hard to switch From one thing to the other and then you know, I'm just getting into the groove of it And now we have one more show and then we take a break and then we do the next show Next show is Tempe Arizona That's the last one when's that tomorrow? Oh tomorrow. Yeah, you fly out in the morning the next Yeah, the next morning. So I get to see my kid That's gonna be great from my experience with anxiety. I would encourage you to keep being aware of it And what I've learned how to do I find I'm still anxious But it's a more of I I'm super aware of it and I kind of understand That when I'm anxious It's Telling me something and it's not what I think it's so at surface level. I'm like, oh my god. Am I having an allergic reaction to this food? I've never been allergic to anything or I can have these Okay, why am I having this panic attack? Right now my my panic attacks now from when I was a kid Like there was some trauma, right? Okay, so my response to like I had PTSD and stuff like that So it was kind of bad, but um, it was bad not kind of There you go. But the panic attacks were And they were foreign so I didn't understand what I was experiencing until someone had to tell me what that was Going to therapy is really important And then becoming aware of that stuff now. I would say when I have a little Anxiety thing it's about five minutes. Hmm. This is really nice. I can live with five minutes And that's what a panic attack is for me now still unpleasant Still don't want to have them if I could control it and make them go away forever I would but now my anxiety is a five minute little internal dialogue I'm having with Okay, yet. Well, first of all, no, you're not allergic to anything or you're not your throat isn't closing or your this or that is not happening and I have that conversation with myself because it's the truth and then I also am going now now Let's get to what you're anxious about. Why are you anxious and then I can go? Well, I'm doing this and there's this and there's that like, okay. Well, you know That stuff all kind of warrants feeling a little anxious. It's okay and just by becoming aware of The present situation of my life, which is a high stakes Yeah, well, it makes you anxious because you're focused and you want to hit the ball And you want to perform? Well, you want to you want to achieve or you want to Deliver or you want to let people down which which which I need to switch that up because it's like people pay all this money They get babysitters now. They do all the stuff. They're going to the show if I can't sing like so what I'm saying is is that you're not wrong And that's where I had to come to terms with my anxiety is a function of high performance So I love that because it kind of gives me a term to use now that I can be like, oh, that's why and you're not wrong Yeah, it's nice. So it doesn't mean it changes anything No, doesn't mean you don't go on stage and you're not anxious. You can't open your eyes. It doesn't matter It feels like I can breathe a little redefine how we frame it to ourselves because damn, okay If you're going and playing for 2,000 people or or you're at a festival and you're doing Is that not a high stakes moment if you mess up? Is it not going to be someone filming it on the internet or someone disappointed or someone didn't feel like they're got there Whatever the stakes are or your or your own personal pride, whatever the stakes are they're high stakes You're not an amateur. You're a professional. You're like an athlete Doesn't doesn't athlete not get tense before they see the pitch Before they get the at bat. Are they not focused or they not dialed it in So what I'm saying is is if we don't treat ourselves Like we're a high performance athlete. This is the thing you're doing. This is what you're doing Why not try to find the sweet spot of pressure And not caring if I don't care then why am I doing it? I always want to do better is not the same as I'm not good enough It just means that you want to try something else not necessarily a different thing, but like oh, let's go for this Let's go for that. Is it more like okay? I want to do the high jump But I'm going to do it even higher next time and like I don't know if there's an athlete that does the high jump That doesn't try to get it higher every time. Yeah, if I could say my religion is anything. It's innovating self innovating self Hold on Can I innovate myself right can I optimize myself? Yeah, so if okay, so how do I do that? Well, I have to change my processes So if my process here isn't working overall Because my sleep isn't good. Well, then my process isn't right Maybe I'm too much pizza and drink it too much Fanta. Maybe late at night. Yeah So if you go, okay, well, I don't want to give up the pizza and the Fanta But maybe past seven I have to you know a 12 pack of Fanta a day is ridiculous. Nobody needs that Do you drink a 12 pack a day? I haven't had it since the first day of tour Mike I got a picture from my kid She found an empty bottle of Fanta underneath my bed and she's just like the fuck dad you relapsed Ah, man relapses part of recovery. That's right um, can I just say like a few things I've done in terms of like I don't know if this is helpful to people but try it. I've tried all these things one thing when your brain is just like Brrr is like holding something cold Yeah, somebody said put rocks in your freezer so you can just grab them and just like hold on to them Don't like I'm remembering this shit now because we're talking about it And then I'll immediately forget it as I leave hot and cold both are solutions to anxiety Yeah, it's impossible to be anxious in the hot. I think for me it's um, is that anchoring? What's the word? It's like anchoring Yeah, yeah, and so going outside grounding grounding. That's the word going outside and being like Taking your shoes and socks off and just standing in Grass that's actually called grounding. Oh, is that what that is? Yeah, okay? Here's the thing You were talking about feelings earlier and feeling in your body, right? I have feelings and sensations in my body I don't know what they mean I know what words are and their definitions But I don't yet know how to combine them And so an example would be Am I nauseous? Or am I hungry? I can't tell the difference like I don't know these things. Does that make you anxious? Yes Can you tell sorry? Uh, yeah, no, and so that's something I'm trying to work on is not just a Makes me anxious when I'm nauseous Oh, I just mean like not being able to know And so like I walk around in my life and people are like Why are you like why are you upset? Are they like are you nauseous or are you hungry? Yeah, and I'm like I think both No, I But it's like it feels like people are telling me what I'm doing and I'm like, oh the fuck do you mean like no, I'm not angry Why would you think that? You know, are you ever angry? Let me see. Do you have an angry side? Do you have like a side? No one sees only when I was in a miserable amount of pain. I once punched the ground Because I was just in so much pain with the spine stuff and the Electric shocks all over my body. I burst a disc and it was just like everywhere and so it was random shocks That sucked was it because the bone? Uh, yeah the disc. I don't know what I I was not sleeping I think I went to I was trying to I was staying up really late I was then I was getting up in the morning for my kid to get ready for school and I was like Oh, wow, I'm gonna faint and then I was like, oh no, I'm not and then suddenly I woke up in like plastic And I was like what the fuck is going on? I had fallen backwards in the bathroom hit my spine on one side of the tub My neck on the other side of the tub my head on the wall And like knocked me out. I couldn't think they thought I had a concussion the ambulance came But yeah, just instant pain was that because of disbursts you fell over or you fell over and it did That's when it happened. Why did you fall over? I just was tired. I just didn't sleep Wow. Yeah, so I just like was burnt out Uh, trying to do too much, right? I think you probably struggle with overwhelm, right? Yeah, okay never being able to turn it off, which is probably why you love movies Oh my god. Yeah, they calm you a little bit. Well, they say that I feel like sometimes I give too much information So I don't think about it But like they say that people have certain people have special interests And now it kind of makes sense to me that like everything I do and relate to Everything through movies. I'll be like, oh like that thing happened And I think there's a little bit of like heightened reality in films so I can understand what people are thinking and doing But like I really learned how to human through mimicking even with voice stuff Like I I talked to matt prior about this and we both worship at the altar of mac from super chunk And you can kind of tell because our voices are both pretty high and like it. Yeah, it's like mimicking Allowed me to oh shit. Beastie boys. Yeah. Okay. Love the beastie boys. Let's talk about it Um, this is connected. Okay. So I had a a very I find this interesting But like a very prominent stutter for many years you did. Yeah, okay, and I went to a therapist when you were young Yep, I think it was like second grade to sixth grade. Did they understand why it came on? Nobody understood anything I remember playing a lot of games and then getting little pretzels and I would collect all the pretzels And then eat them while I waited for the bus That's what I remember from therapy and then one other thing At a certain point that after so many years this poor woman was like, okay, I don't know what to do She's like, hey, there is a country artist Who when he talks he has an like very big stutter But when he sings it's not there and Now I know that those use two different parts of your brain, but back then I didn't know and I don't know if she knew but she's like Do you listen to music? I'm like, fuck you. Of course I do But she's like, well, why don't you go and learn a song and then come back? I think the guy's name was conway twitty. Yeah, you might have to look that up, but Um, but yeah, and and I was listening to the beastie boys So I went home and I remember well, I already had it memorized but uh, paul revere For the first record I come in to sing that and I'm just doing all the voices, right? and I'm doing mca and ad rock and mic d and then like from that mo like I didn't stutter once And from that moment on I just started singing like people I started mimicking like uh, mike patten from faith no more Very hard to do and then like like billy corgan and all these bands that I liked um And then eventually I think I found my own voice in mimicking And my personality and mimicking and now that I know that I have these isms and things I'm like Do I even have a personality? Or is this my personality or like there's too many questions and I think what it comes down to is like it doesn't matter I think it matters. I think it's okay to just I'm trying to be okay with just being I don't know why this came to mind, but I was like, what's the problem? Okay, give me a second here and I'll tell you what I think the answer is I don't know that there is a problem now They can go but back then or up to like very recently. I just felt almost like self-conscious that like yes Yeah I think you grew up in an environment that told you you were wrong for being you Because that's just the nature of the generation we grew up. Yeah, it's we're not I'm not blaming anyone It doesn't matter if it was at church or at school or at home or wherever that You're wrong for be existing. You're wrong for being you the way you are. I apologize for my existence still something's broken Yeah, and we need to fit you need to actually not we something's broken and you need to fix it Yeah, oh, why aren't you fixing it you lazy fucking piece of shit? Maybe not in those words, but yeah, I'm being extreme because that is how you take it when you're small Yeah, I'm broken something's wrong with me. I don't know what but I feel like I'm wrong Okay, and I can't even tell you why but I feel wrong. Can I stop for a second? Again, here's the movie thing everything everywhere all at once when have you seen that one? Yeah, okay, so when Ki Hui Kwong That's his name, right? I think I messed it up But there's a moment where there's a big fight sequence and he's the dad and he's like I don't know what's going on, but somehow I feel like it's my fault I just started crying in that movie like when I got to that part and I don't know if anybody else had that reaction but like Holy shit, that's been my life, right? Yeah, and I don't know how it happened and it doesn't matter What I know is that no, it's not it wasn't my fault. No now I know that But yeah, it's what we do in adulthood. That's our fault. We're responsible for our actions moving forward once we become adults We're responsible if we do drugs. We're responsible if we get drunk and we do something That's stupid or hurt someone or on any of any spectrum of of fucking mistakes you could make It's your responsibility. So what I'm saying is this we don't know what's wrong because Well, obviously there's something wrong with me the way I was treated And then I go into adulthood and I go something's wrong with me And then we have this shame Right and then we go into drinking drug to doing drugs relationships and there's shame It's from it's a wrapped in shame. It's wrapped in low self-esteem. It's wrapped in I'm not right. I'm wrong. I wanted to say earlier too that like All of our traumas all of our things whatever it's all relative Right and yeah, yeah, that we have to remember because I always compare myself to like well all these people were murdered over here I'm just sad because I didn't get to see this thing It's all relative. It is. How was the experience of putting the new record out out putting it out was putting it into the world That was good. That felt good I really I mean if you want to hear just made up shit that may or may not be true talk to me If you want to know like what actually happened talk to josh But I liked the record it came out the same old wasted wonderful world. Yes. It's a great title I don't know how that came to be but I like oh it was a line I sang in a demo I love talking about processes processes um processes processes Uh, so I'm sorry. I got to take my meds eventually But I had these two little ditties as I like to call them and then josh Was like, oh, let's marry those together and that became the last track on the record And he's like because you kind of wrote the same song twice And I was like really and that was just a line I threw out and one of them And so he's like ooh, and I think matt and him Really dug that and yeah, I like the title. I don't know like a lot of things they do are intuitive these days Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm learning that intuitive. Yeah, I was intuitive Then I was very focused on being a certain thing and then I realized oh, no I'm just an intuitive person and I can actually it feels like shit just downloads. Yes stream of consciousness Yeah, I'm good thing. How are the shows going? I think they're going great. Yeah, I started opening my eyes after the third one Did I already say that? No, I mean you said you definitely said you keep your eyes closed for the first three songs The first couple of shows I was so nervous. I couldn't like look at anybody But now you can yes, it takes me a while to Definitely to switch from home life to music life and then I know it's gonna get bad when I go home again But do you get a lot of joy out of playing live though? I have been enjoying a little bit of it when I and I don't know if other people do this But if I feel like I've done a good job that equals joy you get yeah, you feel good about it But I really worry that I'm going to let people down. So I mean when I'm singing like let's see what? You know the guy from the format Nate. Oh, yeah, Nate's awesome that mother fucker can sing We did a tour with him and he was like smoking cigarettes screaming This is a long time ago drinking booze and like trying to fuck up his voice and I'm like you asshole like I worked so hard to get my voice Nate is an awesome guy. Yeah. He's an awesome guy. He's a fucking brilliant singer. He's an amazing songwriter Incredible singer. I know Nate. Okay, and he's a very private guy He's incredibly talented. He's an amazing father. He's an amazing like I knew him as a person first We'd never toured together anything. I knew his music. I was a fan But um, I met him on a personal level through family and friends and stuff And I was just always struck by how he's very like humble And I just found him to be a really like nice person great father Just a good person and then I went back to the music and it made me love his music more That's how I I meet people and then I become an even bigger fan Of their music or it changes something it gets more emotional for me or something And I just think he's a generational talent and a really nice person. So I just I love that your name dropped, Nate When I say fuck him it's because he's so good. That's what I mean. He's so good for the record He's that good. You're gonna edit this to say fuck that. Yeah. Yeah, we'll start out and beef. Yeah. Yeah Uh, but what are the bands you love? Oh my god. Let me oh shit. Okay around, you know like bands that still just bands that you've played with Like a like a list of like when I was a kid to now or do you just want now? Both I'll just throw a few things out there. But the first music I really got into was hip hop like early days like run DMC public NME beastie boys Uh, I love the fat boys too. Yeah, there's wrapped about food. It's great. They don't get a lot of credit human beatbox, man Delirious not great movie, right? But let's see what will and then I like I somehow I think at a certain point I heard purple rain by prince and I was just like What is this? Yeah, and then like, you know radio stuff But I cannot listen to and this like the music's great But like if I hear peter gabriel holla notes that early you too Have a certain era in the 80s Um, I physically get sick and it's because my parents had a station wagon where the back seat faced backwards And I would get carsick I literally like I will have a reaction to it. It's fucking weird visceral It sucks because I love peter gabriel and I like you know, pretty amazing. Anyway, um But oh, oh, yeah, so then you know like radio stuff and then I got when I started Getting into guitar. It was a lot of like hair metal and like popular metal. Uh-huh, you know like metallica Yeah, uh mega death, but also like Motley crew bonjovi Um, cinderella rat Uh-huh, you know that stuff and then the band that fucking bridged the gap Smashing pumpkins amazing band metal and like whatever the fucking worst name ever to describe music alternative rock I like alternative as a name as a name Alternative to what? I don't know. It's just cool. Okay. I disagree. Well, I love that. We disagree on something finally Oh, okay. But no, I know. Yeah, but you know, I know this is real. I can still like you. Yes. Yeah Yeah, they could have been more creative. So I'm saying yeah, although I do like gen x But then they got lazy gen y gen z alpha like the fuck. Yeah, you still have the greatest generation I don't know if they were that great, but boomers boomers, baby Baby boomers. We're gonna be the new boomers at some point people are gonna. We are bro. I think I think we're boom Nobody remembers us. Yeah, it's not weird. They just skip over us. Yeah, it's like it's like they're just fucking Adding insult to injury. Anyway, what was I saying music? Yeah So smashing pumpkins and then I had I love smashing pumpkins. Yes that fucking gish. I still I'm his dream I haven't had Billy Corrigan on this show yet, but one day I will okay and I just Love smashing pumpkins. They had a huge effect on me in as a teenager Those records all had a big effect on me They also I think were a little ahead of their time with those later records before they first, you know disbanded Because he was getting into like electronic shit. They were way ahead of their time and I also Devoured music as a teenager. Oh, yeah when I found it in my you know coming from a very religious background When I found music and really discovered it I listened to so many records read the liner notes all the smell of cassette tapes All that yeah, so I forgot guns and roses and that was a huge appetite for destruction Fuck off. I got into guns and roses later. Okay. Yeah, I got to appreciate it later But I had a friend named Nick nephew and it's a great name. Yeah somehow He just knew bands that nobody did. I don't know where he got his information from One of those guys he introduced me to like pixies. He introduced me to flaming lips He introduced me to mercury rev introduced me to like ride and I got way into that shit I love noise and things that hurt Um, my favorite record of all time is clouds taste metallic by flaming lips like that era from in a priest driven ambulance to Clouds taste metallic wonderful But the two albums that ronald jones played guitar on transmissions from a satellite heart which had the The one saw the first song that blew up the she don't use jelly But um clouds taste metallic is the greatest sounding record to me of all time And the noises like his guitar parts are so weird and fucked up and hurt I love music that hurts Check out venetian snares. That's what I listen to to calm down. It's insanity Sorry, that's the soundtrack But yeah, like all of those bands um, and then I got a little later. I got into like jaw box fugazi Yeah, yeah, you know and um and then what was and then I started getting like biorc Um, yeah got into tom wait somebody gave me a tape in high school So I kind of just started doing this. I'd love big band jazz You sound like a lot like me. Do you like a lot of different things? Of course. I think we go deep into So it sounds like especially like you just said you you listen to 300 books That sounds very similar to like how I digest things All the bands you've named i've listened to okay. I've gone down the rabbit hole I can go deep down and digest something probably quicker than the average Casual listener because I'm like a rabbit hole guy And I can learn everything there is kind of to learn about that in that week of being obsessed with it And once I have all that information and I listen to it Some of the stuff will stay in the playlist and I'll move on to some other sub genre some other So I think it's like something like that. It's like listening to 300 books a year Is something like for me with that was only last year to this year. I only made it through 200 right, but I failed That's still quite a bit. No, I um Well, I would say it's not casual So that's what i'm saying is I think that with the 80d thing We are we're able to be highly focused on things we are interested in which is awesome Yeah, it's just kind of like some other things that we might like have responsibilities and realize like oh, shit I forgot to do that. But um, okay, so motion city soundtrack you put out a record great band great band You guys are great. Oh my god. Listen. We're so sexy too. Listen. What you guys? Have a great reputation Yeah, people like you. Oh, yeah, okay. People like you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I mean like We don't really have a whole lot of dickheads who are fans like like our fans are really you kind you're very nice fans Yeah, you could play with any band you guys really do. Yeah, I do. I think you work bands like you guys Which is a cool thing and who are these bands god and I think um and and I think you have cool fans I did I really I think you guys have like thoughtful the people that like your band are Thinkers they make us like bracelets and art and shit and like it's crazy. I keep everything Yeah, I just need to figure out like how to hang it up and like make it a Mural that kind of changes and stuff. I like to have people sign their shit when they give it to me That's nice. I just think it's only fair. What do you think is next? Okay, let me think I really want to make movies and I feel like it is possible It's actually possible Yeah, and I just oh I just met two guys that I've been working on a television Series to try to get made for five years and I finally met the two writers It's it's a musical so I would be writing music like a It's crazy. It's insane. I don't know how anybody would want it I know you're probably asking about motion sitting and what's next, but I'm just gonna type No, no, this is a me show starting me But yeah, I met these two brothers and like we in 2020 it started just all zoom calls like I never met him before And then I so many picked it up. We had a showrunner. We had a director and then the writer strike happened and just all went So then we're starting over again and now we got another guy helping us and he's fucking amazing So we're getting ready to pitch again, but like how did this happen? Like I'm actually getting close I know like barely anything ever happens and I don't know why anybody would want to make this It's too weird, but it would it would be a show I would want to watch like I want to see this show Yeah, but we're in the era of weird weird does well I hope so. I know television just fucking went awesome like yeah, was it around the breaking bad? Yeah, yeah for sure. That was like around when it yeah um But yeah, and then hopefully movies and like I can finally I don't know. I've just been like oh, this is actually possible I also tell guys in bands and artists not just guys. I mean people in bands And and an artist that it's very likely this isn't your only good idea Yeah, you're a creative person like doing different things. So I I wouldn't put it past you No, I that's been my dream And if I can make one movie even if nobody gives a shit like I just want to make something And see it from beginning to end. Yeah, that's cool. And like yeah, and I don't know and maybe if Jim Jarmusch saw it And was like hey, that's not bad, dude. That'd be awesome. Justin. Yeah, that's my name. Thanks for coming on Thank you for having me. This is this has been great. I'm gonna touch your foot with my foot. Yeah. Yeah Here we go. You're awesome, man I'm glad we met. Yeah, I'm your friend now whether you like it or not Okay, all right. Thanks, dude Thank you for watching artist friendly if you like this episode Please make sure you hit the like button You follow the channel and please share it with your friends. We appreciate the support That is why this show exists because you listen to it. Thank you guys. We'll see you next time