Shannon Penn on The Rise and Fall of the Cowboys' Dynasty: 30 Years Later | 02.03

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Beaumonti Jones. Thanks for listening. We have you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is time machine Tuesday. This week we are going to talk about 30 years ago, not exactly this week, but 30 years ago in this neighborhood of time, Dallas Cowboys won the third Super Bowl in four years and little did we know. Not only would they not win a Super Bowl since not only would they not go to a Super Bowl after this. They ain't been to a conference championship game since this happened. So you know, who knew we will look back on that and join me now. You can check him out on Freddie and Harry on ESPN radio and you know, OG, right time. Remember Shannon Pinn was going over. What's good, my man? Amen. You know, it's another day in the life. I was I was actually thinking about this with the Cowboys kind of in the context of us, right? So people who don't know, Shannon and I worked together in North Carolina on a radio. We were doing Saturday, Sunday, morning shifts. You know what I was saying? My first show ever sports Saturday was with Shannon. We were talking about I did a shout out to what's his name? D'Amai Wilson on Monday and I was like, we said a big dummy in a week. Yes. Radio back in the day. Which looking back was a little bit harsh. But you know what I mean? But it hit though. It hit though. You hit every week. Well, people we had to we had to bolt some more house music. You big dummy. Like, yeah, people wait. We have people wait. Not it. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, we had those things. But we started doing that show in January of 2008. And that is the year that the Giants beat the Patriots, right? And think about this, Shannon, that was 12 years after the Cowboys had last won a championship, right? Neither of us grew up as Cowboys fans, right? My dad is like an old school, like old black man Cowboys fan, right? Like cry, you know, not crying because you don't do that. But open ice bowl type of situation, right? You, as we said, were a Giants fan. That was your bang. But the Cowboys in that run, I'm curious if you felt the way that I felt before they got good, which was they felt to me in some ways, like the Packers did. And this won't be the same for you because you were a Yankees fan. But like the Yankees did to me where y'all say they used to be good, right? Like, like, like, like, it felt like forever ago they were good, except they had only been bad for like three years. But it was a formative three years for me, right? We watch it, like the games are on every week, they go one in 15. I was like, what are we talking about here? Right. And that was, like, and that was the thing for me, like the rise of the Cowboys, like I didn't grow up with that, like in the 80s as far as the Cowboys being relevant living in New York. Right. Obviously, Jai still coming up for the 86 Super Bowl and then you had the Niners being as dominant as they were. Like for me, the Cowboys and the Bears as well, and what they were and what's paying the Super Bowl shuffle all night. So for me growing up, the Cowboys really and the 80s for me in New York, they really weren't that relevant for me. Yeah, they might as well have been like Chubby Checker. You know what I was saying? The cab counterweight. So, you know, it's a small child. All that shit is the same. Like for me. I'm not you're not going to cut you off in the same vein for me. That was the Packers as well. Yeah, it was for me. Like that was, I'm only looking at old grainy footage of the Packers, you know, Super Bowl one and two. Like this one. Like for me, it was like, oh, who is this team? Like the Packers for me were like, by definition, sorry. Now keep in mind with the Packers though, they went to the playoffs twice in 20 years. Like after Laundie, they had that long run. And you remember that Don McCalsky year? Right. It was like, oh, the Pack is back. But the Cowboys just because of the timing of our youth may as well have been the same. But the truth is they only had like two or like the top laundry years. It was like the last three, two or three that weren't good. And then it moved into that new era. But like the first Cowboys team I ever really remember watching or knowing anything about was like the 88 Cowboys when they, they quarterback with Steve Palo. I don't know if people even every other Cowboys quarterback. Basically, since they got good in the mid 60s has been some kind of famous, right? Craig Morton, Don Meredith, Roger Starbock, Danny White. Like you don't have to know about Danny White if you're young. But if you talk to people at the time, like, you know, Danny White was something Troy Ackman, you know, threw that run. And then in between with Steve Palo. But he was my first Cowboys quarterback. He was the one that I knew of, man, they were sorry. No, I'll take your word for it. Because look, I look prior to prior to Ryan hit me up for this episode. I had to look up who do it was. I was like, oh, wait a minute. It wasn't. It wasn't for the day. All I think I know is that he wore number 11. I don't know what he looked like. He could be left handed for all I know. I don't know anything, right? I just know that team was sorry. Yeah. And then that year that Troy Ackman pulled up, they was extra sorry. Right. Right. And too, like, and obviously a lot of this is documented in the Cowboys doc. But like, they were bad, bad. And then obviously now look at Revisual's history. And you talk about Ackman. That's when one to go. Like, yeah, he was the number one pick. But it wasn't all glowing for Ackman to start. Like not only was he bad, the team was bad. There wasn't a lot of confidence in him as well for a guy coming off being the number one overall pick. First of all, if I'm not mistaken, the one game they won that year was the game he did not play. I think they were all in a level with him and starting quarterback. Jimmy was never really sold on him. You know, Jimmy when he got his guy, he went, he went and got Steve Walsh, right? The same year, they basically spent two number one overall picks on quarterbacks at the same time. They took Ackman into draft draft and they took Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft with a first round pick that wound up being worthy of the number one pick. But I'm going to run this by you because I don't think that this is something that people quite understand if you are of a certain of like of our age, which is how good the Cowboys were when Tom Landry was the coach. Okay. Now, keep in mind that they only won two Super Bowls. He went to five. They only won two and that's the way we measure people, right? Okay. I'm going to give you win totals. Keep in mind, these are 14 game seasons through 1976 or as a 1970, oh, okay. I'm going to start in 1966, 10, 3 and 1, 9 and 5, 12 and 2, 11, 2 and 1, 10 and 4, 11 and 3, 10 and 4, 10 and 4, 8 and 6, 10 and 4, 11 and 3, 12 and 2, 12 and 4, 11 and 5, 12 and 4, 12 and 4, 6 and 3, 12 and 4, 9 and 7, 10 and 6. That's 20 years basically through 1985. That's what they were. They were just kind of good all these years, right? They were a boss year after year after year, even daddy white and those had three straight years are going to the NFC championship game. They didn't win them, but in the early the 80s, if Dwight Clark doesn't make that catch, they're going to the Super Bowl, right? They were all the way through the 70s and through much of the 80s, really, really good and then as happens, like this, what happened to Tom Landry, this last three years was 79, 78 and 13 and 3. 79 and 7 and 8 are not really that terrible. 13 and 3 and then the team gets sold, you know, you wind up getting fired, but it was to build Belichack ending basically. It's got a Belichack just without the Super Bowl. I mean, I understand that that's a big gap, but just to give you an idea of what the Cowboys meant and we saw none of it. We just pulled up to be the eye. Right. Look, I'll take your word for it. Like, yeah, I knew of Tony Dorset, but I was actually two young to remember him as a player. Like, I know, like, I know the 88 jujps, like, I know all of that, but I don't know what enough, like, to have experienced it when it was happening in real time. Or even like, I was very aware of her shawalker as an idea, but we didn't get great her shawalker. I don't feel like. No, no. Like, for me, it was her shawalker, Georgia, her shawalker. That's the her shawalker that I knew of was college, her shawalker. Yeah. I guess I understood her the magnitude of her shawalker as like best player on Dallas Cowboys. And I guess also because of the Atlanta nature of my household, her shawalker, you know, her shawalker had been a starter. That was the junior high school cousin of newspaper, right? You know, that was, that was kind of where it was, but they, they were so bad in that one in 15 season that Jerry, I don't think we talk enough about how, I guess I was just reading this book that made a point about when the Spanish invaded somebody's folks that because the people had never seen guns before, they couldn't even conceptualize what a gun was. Like, imagine you don't know what a gun is. You are here ready to fight with your, with your spears and your arrows and everything else. And then this do point something at you. And the next thing you know, people is dying, right? You, you have no concept and no idea of what your up against, right? You, you like, wait a minute, give me a minute here. With that her shawalker trade, what I don't think that people get is that it's not simply that the Cowboys got a bunch of picks in the draft is that the Cowboys, in the trade, is that the Cowboys got a bunch of players in that trade. And there was a provision that said that if the Cowboys released those players, then they would receive certain picks. And the Vikings thinking was, well, they're not going to get rid of all these perfectly good players. Why would you ever do such a thing, right? And Jimmy's playing the whole way was to cut them all. There was never any play like Darren Nelson, Jesse Solomon, all these guys never wants that he consider keeping them. Nobody had ever thought of a trade in the way that they had thought of a trade. And so they taint without taintain, right? Like, because it didn't matter. They didn't have their number one, they didn't have their first round pick. They gave it up in the supplemental draft. Okay. And on that purpose, and are we sure? All right. Are we sure that was, that was all Jimmy's idea though? Like, I'm not going to cake for Jerry, not at all, because Jimmy's the football guy. We sure that was Jimmy's plan because we got to give Jerry, Jerry's a shrew business man. So if there's any, like looking at this from a business nation, not necessarily football, like the idea to put that language in that trade is a shrew business move. Now, it's probably Jimmy's idea, but you got, like I wouldn't put it past Jerry's, like a Texas oil, like an oil man, like I wouldn't pass them either. That's a, that is a fair point. Right? It is entirely possible. But some combination of the two of them made fools of the Vikings. Right. Right. Like, think about this for the Vikings. They lost the players and they lost the picks. Right? The Cowboys got the players and played them because why not you're not going to have your pick. You don't have any incentive really. I guess the later round picks you have to think about. But then at the end of the year, man, they cleaned house and got all of those dudes out of there. And it set up a crazy run where not only did they have the picks, they nailed the picks. And so the next year, if I'm not mistaken, Emmett Smith was one of those picks. Um, and he had to be yet because he was drafted the next year. They go from one to 15 and they go to, to seven and nine. Uh, right. And Emmett Smith is, I think you were afraid of like 900 something yards that year. Like it was, he was a very good college player that you weren't necessarily sure it was going to turn into an excellent NFL player. But what we learned in the year after they went seven and nine and almost made the playoffs, the next year they made the playoffs, they played against the Bears and they won a wild card game against the Bears. And then they got smoked by the Detroit Lions with Troy Ackman able to play and Jimmy Johnson playing Steve Burr-Lye. Yeah. He was. See, that's my, that's my thing. Like, you look back on it. Hold up, hold up. And then after the game was out of hand, put Troy in. Like he was trying to look, he was trying to force Troy up out of the head. He was trying to find any way possible. It's just like, I just don't know about this guy. But in that time, what we also learned though was they had put together an offensive line. Jimmy Smith was that dude in the last first round pick I recall of the Troy, no, of, yes, of the top Landry era was Michael Irving. Yeah. They were, they were on the way, boys. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And that's the part of it too. Like, not just accumulating those draft picks, as you said, hitting on those draft picks as well. Like we talked about the number of players that revolve, but it wasn't just the, the, the mass number. It's hitting on those guys too. Like you couldn't just, you couldn't just go out there and get these numbers. It was, it was making the right selection. Like you said, building the offensive line, you know, having the belief in a guy like Emmett, who like you said, there was still some questions. Like it wasn't a no brain of that. This guy was going to hit and then, and then, and him becoming what he became. So it was absolutely like having a foresight and the player, player personnel that Jimmy had turned the cowboys into what they began. All right. So let's look at like who some of these players were that the cowboys got as a result of this trade. Um, Emmett Smith, they got as a result of this trade. They did some other finagling help you some of them picks to get the number one pick in 91. They got Russell Maryland. So Emmett Smith, the all time leading resident Russell Maryland, eight pro ball, defensive lineman. Yeah. A weird number one overall pick though. Like you'll never ever again see a number one pick where why did you get him? Yeah, we're, we're sure he'll be okay. Right. Maybe the, maybe the most low ceiling number one overall pick. There's ever been Kevin Smith, who's the first round pick with Texas A&M defensive back. I think he became a pro bowler. Darren Woodson, who will be a peridio Hall of Fame finalist. Finalist, yeah. One of those guys every year they going to state his goal toy with that man every year. Hey, shout out to Darren Woods. We got him on my show tomorrow too. And we're not the center of my email every year. It's Hall of Fame finalist. Yeah. Hey, man. Look. I like a good dude. You know what I mean? I just don't think he's a Hall of Fame and they just keep doing this. And they keep doing this and they keep doing this. Oh, the bike is guy Jake Reed out of the deal. Yeah, there you go. There you go. There you go. They say you let it. There you go. You let it. Right. Um, but they made a rise in a way that. I don't think I fully grasped how polarizing the cowboys were as an entity at that point because again, they had been sorry. But also I felt like it was a rise that made the team somewhat endearing, right? Like it was rapid, but there were still steps like, you know, to like we watched them go a little bit up, a little bit up in that time period. And 1992 became a crazy year to think about right like the 49ers that they've been down a couple years, Washington in 91. For those of you who are unaware, probably the best football team I've ever seen. Crazy. The 91 watching the team. They were, they were, they were, and there's no ex-blaining to you why like showing you the list of players isn't going to do it. You kind of just had to be there. Right. They were unreal and they hit and they hit and they hit like yeah, and they hit like, like Mark Ripon was going to have a season like he did in that year. No, they just, no. No, and the cowboys beat him that year. And the cowboys beat him that year, but you got to 92 and the 49ers now were back. Right. They had gone through the Joe Montana, um, Steve Young transition. So in 1990, the Giants beat the 49ers in the NFC championship game, 10 to 9, Joe Montana got broken half. Leonard Marshall hit him so hard in the back. Like they don't let you do that no more. Right. Like that's rough in the past. Like that's, oh my God. That's rough in the past. And that's even though it was even though it was in the course of the year. So to play, right. He breaks Joe Montana in half. The Giants went to the Super Bowl that year, watching the wins the next year. Steve Young, who they've been, who they had on ice for three years, three or four years, just waiting, right. He now gets to be the starter. The 49ers eventually have to trade Montana. I was saying they trade them at the end of 92 because Joe's like I can still play and they're like, yo, we've moved on. Just so you understand, even Joe Montana they could do that too. Um, Steve Young comes in MVP caliber player. And now it's 92. The 49ers are back. Jerry Rice is as good as he has ever been. They played a Cowboys in the 92 NFC championship game. And Jimmy Johnson said that for that game, um, they knew that was the Super Bowl. Nobody really tripped it on. Oh, what, what else going on over there? Buffalo. I think they played the Dolphins day. Yeah, I can't remember what they were like, amen. That ain't even really no thing here. The game is here. Boy, like I didn't appreciate it fully at the time, but I did. Of course, as the years went and really looking back on it now, the idea that you had the old dynasty and the new dynasty and the old dynasty never really slipped. They had a year where they missed the playoffs, but they went 10 is six. You know what I mean? And it's funny to bring up 92 because that was really like for me as a giant fan. That was really like the first year of my dislike for Cowboys for the Dallas Cowboys because like although I'm a giant fan, I like the 49ers as well. How could you not? I'm a rice whenever you out there in the street. I'm, I'm Jerry Rice. If I'm a receiver, I'm Jerry Rice. If I'm a quarterback, I'm Joe Montana or whatever. So like the 49ers were the 49ers and then here comes this team that I hadn't really checked for because in the NFC East for me growing up, Eagles, Redskins, those, those were the teams that I looked at as more of, of the, the, the opponents there for the giants and then had this Cowboys team. It's like, wait a minute. Hold on. Where did these guys come from and, and how dare you? How dare you? The unmitigated goal to go ahead and play the 49ers in this NFC championship game. How dare you? Right. By the way, right fast because you mentioned Jerry Rice, who I think is at worst the second best football player who ever lived. Mm-hmm. I think you go look at it numerically. There's no, nobody's ever, like nobody's ever catching him for any of the stuff that he did and he did it in the era where they didn't really throw the ball like, right? You remember that's how crazy it is that you can show somebody, like show somebody the best five minute video Randy Moss on YouTube and then try to explain. He's number two. Mm-hmm. Right. It's like, it's been trying to explain what the DBs were allowed to do. Yes. Like, with the DBs, when the hits that the safeties were allowed to employ on the white receivers at that time. Right. Like, when people talk about Randy Moss, they're like, you know, we always shaded a safety over that way. I don't hear people talk about Jerry Rice like that because that didn't matter. It didn't matter what you was doing. No, no. It was easily the most unguardable offensive player as a wireless even history. And that's the thing too. It's like, because you bring up Randy Moss, like at least with Moss, like he had to measure both. Like, you look at Moss and he walks into a room. He's like, oh, oh, that dude. Like Jerry, not the same way. No. So for him, the route running, the catching, the run, they were talking about he's faster after he catches the ball. Like all of those stories and then you look at Jerry Rice, you look at the highlights, that makes us, oh, that's why Jerry Rice is with Jerry Rice. Just the illest, right? Yeah. Right. Just the illest. But you know what's interesting to look back on with those Cowboys teams in terms of style of play. Because let me get into kind of like personality and stuff like that after the break. But what's interesting to me about them is Jimmy Johnson football is not an exciting brand of football, right? It wasn't exciting at Miami. It wasn't exciting with the Cowboys. They had a pop tool, right? Like they was it. They was them. But in the end, we're going to run the ball over and over and over again. And then on defense, we're going to rush for and we're going to drop seven. Why? Because our players are better than yours. That is our strategic advantage. Well, then that goes back to Jerry. I mean, excuse me, Jimmy and his scouting and his player evaluation. In fact, that we didn't have to do all this other extra stuff because when we step out here, the matter for our offensive defense, the 11 guys that we put down here is better than the 11 guys you're going to put out here. What you're going to do about it? Here you go. Boom. Stop it. We're going to run it here. We're going to give it the Emmett 40 times. Go ahead, stop it. Eighth was going to pass it maybe 15 times. Bro, well think about this, right? You know, and actually most people notice people who don't know Jimmy coached at Miami before he got to Dallas, University of Miami. Like Howard Schnellenberger starts the era, but the you was born truly as a brand, as a personality, as an entity. That is with Jimmy. Jimmy somehow was able to treat the NFL like it was when he was coaching Miami as an independent. Every week we are going to have better players than you, right? And if all, if what we do is we execute what we do with our better players, you will not be able to beat us. You are not supposed to be able to do that in the NFL. Even if this is the pre-free agency era, right? Like the Steelers managed to do this because they had that unreal draft run, right? We're there just out here draft a swan, stall, worth, um, L.C. Greenwood, Melbourne, just just everything. All the same draft classes, right? Whole the same draft classes, right? Right. Like with 304 at the same time. Right. Okay, maybe you can pull this, but by the 90s, you're not supposed to be able to just say, how about we just line them up and see who's best? What do you say? I like our gosh chance. But you go ahead, that's cute. That's cute. That's cute. Oh, you look real or real run defense. Oh, that's cute. Have you seen my offensive line? No, Jimmy, Jimmy shit is like, we could have won this if it was Tech Bowl Bowl, right? We got four plays and y'all got four plays and you just got to figure out what four plays. We're going to we're going to run, right? We'll beat everybody that way if you want it. If that's how you want to do it, we'll do it. And the other interesting part to me, and of course, like you have Aikman, you have Emmett Smith, you have Michael Urban, right? Those three Hall of Famers that would, you know, talk about you here about the offensive line and everything else. But when you really stop and think about them, especially on defense, that wasn't about superstars. Like who do you think is the best of the run? I guess they went and got Charles Haley and that's an interesting one. But he's a guy that I don't count in a way because he's not like, he's not one of the dudes that came through the rise of what this team was. Like who's the best of those defensive guys? Is it Russell Maryland? Like who will be talking about Jim Jeff Coat? Ken Norton maybe. Ken Norton, yeah. But like even then, right. We're not talking about Hall of Fame players. Uh-huh. Right. I think that's a big part of why there's the push for Darren Woodson often is because somebody over here has got to be a Hall of Famer, right? Even that offensive line, Larry Allen went to the Hall of Fame, but he was only on one of those Super Bowl teams. Like the while they had better players, it also was a case that the sum was greater than the whole of the, I mean, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Right. Right. I'm sure I'm saying in Tennessee too. Yes. But they said they had a collection of guys. Now you had to do like Eric Williams. Yeah. Eric Williams, Nate Newton, like they had guys. I'm not saying the guys weren't good. And they had guys up, they might not have been Hall of Famers, but they were parental probals. Like you look at the 90s teams whenever you would have, because whenever I would play a tech mobile or whatever, and every year, it's either it's the full NFC pro bowl is Cowboys even to 49ers. Like that was, that was in the 90s. So like they said, even though they weren't Hall of Famers, those guys up and down the line, whether it's offensive mind or some of those defensive guys were still pro bowl caliber players, would that still matter? Yeah. They, they, they, they did a lot. They got a lot of it done at one time and coming up next. We're talking about the next fun part of it is. We'll talk about obviously you got Aigment, you got Smith, you got Urban, but what you also have is the personality of this team, which is kind of unlike anything we've seen since coming up next. Every Friday from six to seven 30, it's NBA happy hour on fan duel, your pregame for the weekend. We're talking limited time specials you won't want to miss. Boosts, bonuses, surprises, all dropping in the app during happy hour. So before tip off, check the fan door app to see the week special. And make your move before the shot clock expires at 7 30 Eastern. It's the perfect way to start your weekend, a little basketball, a little action and a whole lot of Friday energy. 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One thing that's always very interesting to me is hearing Troy Ackman talk about Michael Irvin and the recognition of Michael Irvin as leader in the importance of having Michael Irvin to him as a quarterback. Because if you go back and look at the numbers for those Cowboys teams, basically if they were passing the ball, they were throwing the ball to Michael Irvin. Right. Right. We're like, you gotta remember, they didn't pass the ball much. And Troy Ackman had one season over 20 touchdowns in his whole career. Fun fact that people do not know. Michael Irvin was by and large getting his numbers. And you see that clip where he tells about it, where he got to cuss and explain it and do I play when there was pain. And that's real, right? Like nobody in the league anymore. There used to be a league where what do you say about that guy? Man, he go, he make the hard catches. Mm-hmm. There aren't hard like we don't, I'm not saying catches are easy now, but we don't have like them hospital balls ain't what they were back in the day. Michael Irvin made the hard catches on a team where everybody knew that the ball was going to him. Absolutely. And that's the thing too with Irvin and obviously we'll get to Jerry, but Irvin was the spirit of those teams. Like even, I mean, he was on those bad Cowboys teams. Like he was the spirit of it. So then when they then brought in Jimmy, they were able to usher in some of that same that spirit and emotion that you saw Jimmy have in Irvin have with those Miami teams. And then he brought that leadership value too, that leadership aspect to the Cowboys when they were starting to get good. You know, given guys the 8 men, that confidence when he knew the head coach didn't have that with him, but still giving him the confidence. And of course, he's a playmaker. So when he knew he was getting the ball going to him, he was going to make the plays because they weren't throwing it at the time. I think that Michael Irvin has an argument for being like culturally the most significant football player that there has ever been. Not saying he is all the way, but he has an argument like we don't. The line I've used is like what if Jalen Rose was a first ballot Hall of Fame type of player, right? So think about this. The influence of the University of Miami on the culture of college football, right? Like that was it takes the nation to be as the whole does back type shit where they were like this, they became something in the S.E. double A was like this has to stop and this has to stop right now. But the truth is the dominant culture in football really over the last 35 years has been the culture of the state of Florida, right? Like you started looking around and looking up at his all these dudes with goals and all these dudes who dreaded like Florida became the football when Atlanta became the rap. Like it was him. It influenced everything in touch. Even Michael Irving did not fit the archetype of that. The attitude of Florida, state of Florida football was the attitude of the University of Miami, even Florida state, which was me trafficking in very similar players and Billy Bobby Bowden was a very living, let live sort of dude. No, no, no, no, no. It was the Miami Hurricanes starting really in 1985, right? That's the year they went to Oklahoma. They would have punked them at midfield, right? That is the beginning of the U era as far as I'm concerned. And the personification of that is Michael Irving, right? Like of course you have Melvin Braden, he had a lot of so high Smiths, not like there are no other dudes. But Irving then takes this to the NFL and the cowboys become the Miami of this. And I think yes, some of that's about Jimmy because Jimmy kind of liked that stuff. Jimmy enjoyed like running up the squirrel people and everything else. But no, no, no, the center of this is Michael Irving and a big part of that is is Michael Irving will tell you. He's a winner dog. Like, but everything around Michael Irving, man, that dude worked hard. That dude put into grind. That dude did the difficult things, right? That dude had a shall we call it savvy understanding of power dynamics. Yes. You push back on and not to push back on and the likes and everything else. But the truth is he was and he was every bit as good as he said he was. And that's the thing too. That was like old school, very old school. And like this whole cowboy thing don't hit without Michael Irving. Like it don't hit the same way. Not saying they wouldn't have been good. It don't hit the same way because like he brought that the confidence. I'm not going to use the worst wagon because they get you overused. But he brought that confidence and that standard to the cowboys. Like, hey, like you said, I'm a winner and we should be winning. And I'm not going to accept anything less than winning. Like yes, you might see me loud or whatever. But I'm putting in the work and why aren't you putting in that same level of work? Because I'm because I'm about winning dogs. So if you ain't about winning, we bring in a coach who's about winning, who's about to do anything possible to get these dogs. Any handed Jimmy Johnson a list of the dudes that needed to go. Yeah, yeah. When he shows up, he was like these guys are losers. Yeah. We need to get him out to get them out of here. Because that was the thing about the canes. Look, man, one thing about that Miami arrow, we don't talk enough about is they suffer some horribly embarrassing losses along the way. There's the 92 sugarball. There's the 85 sugarball against Tennessee where they lost like 38 to nine. There's the 86 fiesta bowl, you know, when they took that ill, they might go learn and been through some football fans, right? Like he got it and he got that national championship in 87. They didn't get in 86 where they were supposed to, right? And I remember him after that game in 86 being out there doing the interviews after they had been so obnoxious the whole way. And like owning the fact that they did not get it. Like that dude learned a hard way what it takes in order to get it. He suffered through a one in 15 season in the NFL. He went through all of that and man, he was good. Like I just can't and not again, not in a way where you're going to see like unreal footage of how good he was. It's just gonna be like, damn, he caught another one, huh? And that's the thing because it wasn't the cumulative numbers. Like it was, it was the important like the playmaker, like it was making plays when it counted most because he wasn't going to put up numbers because they didn't pass at the same level as some of the other receivers of his time. But it was like, all right, we need a big play, big third down. Let's go, let's go to my car. You saw it in some of those 49 games. You saw it, some of those playoff games against the Packers. Hey, we need a big catch and go to my color. Hey, when there was pain. He's like these little youngsters, you are not going to minimize this bank. Big dog, no surre, when there was pain. Then we also have Emma Smith and as I look back on it, I don't think we gave Emma Smith enough credit at the time. And I think especially because Barry Sanders looks so incredible that, you know, the argument very frequently was, well, what if Barry Sanders got to play behind the Cowboys offensive line, which is fair? I also think that the Lions were better in that era than they got credit for being with Barry Sanders. Like they were not, this was not the Joey Harrington Lions that he was playing for. They were not great, but they were not, they were not abject, right? Like he was not just out there entirely by himself, but that is the comparison that Emma Smith always had to deal with. And it was almost held against him that he was so durable, right? Like do you just keep giving him the ball? But if a hole was there, he was going to hit it and he was going to hit it quick. And next thing, you don't feel like you don't become the all-time leading Russian in the history of NFL when I be in the beast. You don't win a Russian title in 14 games when I'll be in an actual factual beast. Right. And two, because it didn't look like Barry Sanders did, like I mentioned before, when we are hitting the streets playing, if you were quarterback, you wanted to be Montana. If you want to be rice, if you're running back, you want to be Barry Sanders, no one. And I mean, no one's out there saying, you know, I'm Emma Smith. Right. And you're like, you want to count boys in the 90s, no one wanted to be Emma Smith, but he just wanted about his business because he didn't look like Barry Sanders. Well, especially if you played against like an imaginary person, you know what I'm saying? Like, all you doing is just running his straight lines if you ever Smith. Like you better say it as you're out here spinning, you know, like all the real stuff. That's always talking about, I can't imagine going in the backyard, pretending to be Tom Brady. What just standing there? Right. It was exactly like, I'm out here in the streets like being applauded for being a patient running back. Yeah. I'm not here in jukin. I'm trying to break ankles. Man, that dude was so good. All that dude was so good. And he has for me one of the most memorable running back games ever. And it's the type of game that nobody is ever going, why are you doing that? Why are you doing that? I want to see what you're doing. I want to see what you're doing. I want to see what you're referring to. I can do it that. I got to feel and I know what you want to do on people. Go ahead. Go ahead. Tell us, ball. What's gaming? It is the type of a gladiator performance that we don't see for running backs anymore. And it is the last game of the season at Giants Stadium, 1993. Smith and the Giants. And sometimes, or at the end of the first half, I believe it was, they threw him a Smith on the ground. Yeah. A separated shoulder that he clearly could not move at all. He can only move it enough to take a hand off, basically. And they tied that arm up. I lie Lawrence Taylor in the Super Dome against the Saints. And they just kept giving the ball to Emmys Smith over and over again in the second half and just pounded the Giants to win the NFC East and ultimately go win the Super Bowl. How do you like this duo one arm beat you? That's what I was like. Like that was my thing. It was like, I gave no credit, no praise to Emmys Smith. Nothing was, I was so pissed off and I know it. Like you knew he was hurt. Everybody knew and you like this dude with one arm beat you. And it wasn't like it was giving him, they kept feeding him with one arm. Like what are you doing? Like you can't, no strip, you can punch him and nothing like what are we, what are we doing here? First of all, you have to be that dude for them to be like, I know you got one arm. And we still gonna give you the ball. And we still gonna beat them dude. What you want? I can't imagine how insulting that was. Bro, like try to explain that. It's like you feel like you're in a Harrison Ford and a fugitive. Like, yo, we just lost to a one arm man. Like, what are we all here doing? Like, what? To this day, bro. To this day, I saw the exact one getting you talking about. Like he had one in, man, one arm. So the thing is, I knew you would know what came of us. I did not know however. What an acute memory it was for you. It wasn't like he was rotating the boy he kept it in the ball in the same strong hand because he couldn't put it in his other hand. You knew that and you still allowed it to happen. Hey, just like, it's nothing more to moralize it. And that's something this generation will never understand. Then the good old nine minute drive, you remember back when it was just the nine minute drives. We just got a lot of, we just got a lot up in the eye and we go pound y'all over and over again. And that's worse. Like if it's a big play drive, like there's a shock value to it, like I can't believe it just happened and you move on. We getting the ball back. When you had these the more lines, eight, nine minute long drives and you just beat down the hell and you got your 13 defensive linemen out because the other guys are winded and they still just give me to you. And then you turn around and look and it's the one on man that's doing it to you. You're a nation television. Well, nation television too. I was so, I was so. And the giants weren't supposed to be good day of the year. I think that was Dan Rees first year or maybe you the way y'all thought y'all was going to win a division. And y'all should have won a division, could have won a division except for the fact that him and Smith was that dude that day. And as soon as that dude that day and it keep in mind, he showed it didn't get unsuperated, right? I guess they got a by week, but they went and won the super they went and won the Super Bowl again. And that was the one the they beat the 49ers in the 92 Cs. And that was a beat them at Candlestick Park. It felt like a changing of the guard, but it didn't feel fair to call it a change of the guard. So 49ers had already been down for a year. Y'all the 49ers were the best team in the NFC that regular season. And it was like, okay, you won the game. 93, 93 felt like a change into the guard. That was different beat them. That was different. That was different. And I think a lot of that too came from that winning nine more than you mean, even the Super Bowl. It was beating the 49ers in 92. And it was like, oh, there's nobody out here that can beat us. Like yeah, they did like from that from that 92 NFC championship on, it was like, oh, it is different. Like this different. It don't matter what you guys doing. Yeah, not beating us. Yeah. And they, and they, they weren't like, I remember there was a play. I think it was to Ricky Waters. And this is what I knew. It was like, oh man, y'all just finished. It was a toss play to Ricky Waters or a hand off a care. Remember which, but they got him at the line and drove him back like seven yards. And it would have been forward progress except he kept his balance and then tried to run again. And they took him down. And it's just like damn, y'all, no, y'all feel like, y'all feel like the bad news bears out here now. And y'all, y'all to 49ers. Right. Right. Like the gold standard of the NFL for a team that won 10 games, like 14 years in a row, you know, in non strike season, they were the gold standard. The Cowboys was like, nah, it's us now. Right. And, and, and two, and just how it lined up time wise, but you had obviously, you know, 49ers being the team of the 80s and just how it lined up would it be in the early 90s. Like it very much felt like a change, change of the garden, not just on the field, but off the field as well. I know we'll get into the, the, the off the stuff, feel stuff with the Cowboys, but it really did feel like, oh, this is about, this is what the 90s is supposed to, is going to look like. Right. Like it very much felt that way. Right. Because it was very clear that like Jerry Rice did not like the Cowboys get down, right? Right. Right. Which, which, which, which led to something very interesting because 94 is when D. Scott Sanders goes to play for the 49ers. He has his best season. He has defensive player of the year. The 49ers with the best team in the NFC. They ultimately beat the Cowboys in the NFC championship game. This is also after we have so many things that we could have gotten to, but Jimmy Johnson getting fired by Jerry Jones because Jimmy was being disrespectful and Jerry had enough of it. It's really the best way to put it, right? Like, Jimmy say, they say that the old is beaten and Jimmy pulls up to a table to talk to guys and Jerry's there. I mean, and Jerry pulls up and Jimmy's there and Jerry speaks to Jimmy and Jimmy don't say nothing in front of people. Yeah, you're going to get fired for that, right? Like, you can't do this in front of Nick's company. Like, yo, yo, you can't get embarrassing me. Yeah, you can make the argument that maybe Jerry should have put up with it, but I understand why he didn't, right? Like, I think I've always felt as though there was a limited shelf life on what Jimmy was doing and the nature and the way that he motivated people and the incredibly harsh way that he dealt with people. His belief, the fear was the greatest motivator. It was a very collegial style that only goes so far. We grow men, right? And after a while, that was going to run out of rope, no matter what. Now, I don't know if it was going to run out of rope by 1994, but at some point it was going to go too far, but 94 and it brings Switzerland and the truth is the caliber, the 49ers went up like 14, nothing mad early in that game. And that margin wild up being what matter. The Cowboys did not play a bad game after that, but Dion go into the 49ers. Jerry didn't really like him when he was, didn't like Dion when he was there because Dion's whole steese is the opposite of the 49ers, steese and the Jerry Rice steese, but at that point, Dea Sanders was the best defensive player at football. He was the defensive player of the year. And I mean, that that 1914 was loaded like your second best defensive back was Tim McDonald. Your third best was Merton Hanks. And and and and and Jerry, Jerry Rice knew too, was like, look, I don't get down the way he get down before, for in order for us to beat this juggernaut that's on the other side of the Dowskab because that's all that was like, like, yeah, Dion was all about beating the Cowboys that year. That's all that's all it was. It was like, we need this due to play at this, we need to ask it like this to play in this level to beat these dudes. That's what that was. Yeah. That was how man, they got kid Norton also that year. That was Bryant Young's rookie year. They had Dana Stubbelfield on like on defense. They were loaded offense. He's talking about like Ricky Waters will Floyd Jerry Rice still at the peak of his powers. Steve Young the best that he has ever been. I mean, there was a lot of really good football players on the field in that game. And 49ers got it. They won it. They went to the Super Bowl. And that was just who for what I was that was comical. Steve Young threw a six touchdowns. And then Dion comes to the Cowboys. And the truth is, Dei Sanders on the Cowboys to me is kind of like when James Harden went to the Rockets. Not so much for James Harden went to play for the Rockets, the basketball team, but when he went to Houston and James Harden's whole life, he thought he was a California dude. You know what I mean? And then he got to Houston and was like, wait a minute. This is what I am, right? Dei Sanders was always a Dallas Cowboy. He just had not played for them yet. Right? Like the time, the pairing of Dion with the Cowboys was, yep, this is what this was always supposed to be. Right. It was, I mean, pun intended, but it was primetime. Like it felt like it was must in what must see TV. Like the Cowboys were the Cowboys and the Personals. But then when you add Dion, it's like, oh, we need to watch every game. Like every game. It was big. You also had in that day too, because you had Dion. You had the Jerry Jones Nike deal. You had the Jerry Jones FC deal around that same time as well. Right. It's like everything that they're doing is elevated to be like this, this level to this. It's like, y'all here in the NFL Cowboys, like we're here. Like this, this is different. This is before reality TV. Like this is making sure that the Cowboys were going to be the 24 hour news cycle before such a thing. It really even existed to the extent that it does now. It's like year round. It was like, oh, what did the Cowboys do? They were different. They were larger than life. And then we started talking about, you know, the White House. Right. And all those things that then go around it, they were larger than life. And I think this is also in line, not directly tied to the Miami influence of Michael Lurvin, but also a similarity between them, which is, and look, the Cowboys had some of this going into the 70s also, but it's one thing to be the best team in the league. But this had the college renegade energy to it. They were cheating, but it felt like they was cheap, right? And they beat into stuff. Like college football is all about the good teams also being into stuff. They was into stuff. It's interesting to make that point because it felt like for those Cowboys teams, like there was a different set of rules for the Cowboys and then what other teams in the NFL. It's like you were allowing these guys to get away with stuff, some on the field, but mostly off the field that, hey, it would be frowned upon with other teams. Like, wait, like the concept and idea of having a White House in itself, you wouldn't fathom that happening in a Green Bay Wisconsin, you know, or the 49ers with their culture. But for Dallas, hey, that was accepted. Like it was very much like, like you still had a lot of the remnants of the outlaw renegade vibes of those university Miami teams, which goes back to our point earlier of the micro-urban influence. The White House, which by the way is the name of Michael Irvins, new podcast. But, you see, you see, he was like, I had done cocaine in 20 years, but it ain't no five hour cocaine. If you got some five hour cocaine, let me know. I'm like, I'll know nothing about this. Right. Like, I know nothing at all because he isn't thinking about Michael Irvin when it comes to something like cocaine, right? The thing about Michael Irvin and the cocaine is, only problem cocaine caused Michael Irvin as far as we know was getting arrested. Like he was still coming to work on top. He was still on his grind. He was like, I see no reason to change anything about my lifestyle. But after that Super Bowl, the last one, Super Bowl 30 in Arizona over the Steelers, honestly, the part that's interesting in that is that they didn't play the 49ers in the conference championship game that year. Instead, they played the Green Bay Packers and it becomes a very interesting point of comparison because the Packers had Brett Farval on one side, Reggie White on the other. They had a argument that they had the two best players in the NFL at that point and they had a nice run after this, right? Couple of Super Bowl's all that man, it paled in comparison to what we talking about here with these Dallas Cowboys and the Packers are a pretty big deal around the country. It was nothing like this. But 96 is where Michael Irvin gets arrested and you remember when they had to picture that big old rock that they found in the hotel? That rock was like this big. I'm not exaggerating. Like, rock don't even feel like the right word. It felt like a bolder look like a pebble. Like, it is giant ass rock that he had that they busted him with and you watched the Netflix doc, right? The part where Michael Irvin explains, and the kind of need you guys to understand this, is Trials in Dallas, it's in March. Michael Irvin is making an appearance for the Grand jury. He shows up in a full length mink. Michael Irvin lives in Dallas. Michael Irvin is from Miami. Why does Michael Irvin have a mink? Apparently, just in case he had to go before the Grand jury. He explained in that documentary that he did that because the district attorney came to him and told Michael Irvin that he felt like Michael Irvin was taking these white girls and getting them on this dope and corrupting them. And therefore, this white man was going to put him in jail. And Michael Irvin told him that after this was over, somebody was still going to pay him a million dollars to catch a football. And Yola shout ass, it's still going to be, I can't even remember the rest. But Michael Irvin said that about that mink, and I quote, it was necessary. And I believe in what it was. It was that's they be telling something. It was absolutely necessary. And by the way, Michael Irvin is an articulate and unseated motherfucker, right? And he was like, it was necessary. He gets everything out of every syllable. It was necessary. That was what the Cowboys were at this point. Now they're Barry Switz's Cowboys. Like this is a Barry Switz against called at the airport with the tool in the bag. Like this around this time, like this is this is who they were at this point. This is this is the part in behind the music where now they're records they sell it like they used to. Like they like they reach their heights and then you start seeing the signs where it's starting to start to turn in. Right. They put out a top five record. You know what I'm saying? But it was cool. Like it was cool. Like it didn't really like it felt like them, but it wasn't really like the same. Like, yeah, it's cool. You know, it's, I mean, it's home again. And it ain't really any heartbreak. It's cool. You know, it ain't get back to the top, right? They they they they. It has some jams on it, right? There's no question. It has some songs, but it ain't it ain't get back to the top. And then 97 basically it's over 97. They missed playoffs. Yeah. Like it's a rap. Barry, Barry swissers fired like, what's Chang Galeo coach, man? You know, it felt, it felt very. I think the full end was in 90. Yeah. Yeah. I think I mean, the full end to me truly, like, right, honestly, as a dynasty, it had been over, but the true end is what Michael Irvin, you know, hurts his neck and Philadelphia. Like that's where we're like, we're not even talking about this really anymore. Eggman retired in 2000. So Irving is hurting 99 Eggman retired in 2000. And it's just like, no, this is a rap. This is and you had Dion dealing with the turf toe at the same time too. So you had and you had Dion not really being what Dion, Dion was offensive line as we talked about wasn't the same offensive line that they had in the early 90s. So you saw the decline from not only the top tier players and what happened there, obviously with Irving and Irvin and Dion was injury, but also you didn't see the depth and the talent anymore as well. Yeah. You know, we ain't talked that much about Troy Eggman in this and that's no shade of Troy Eggman. Troy Eggman was a very good quarterback on a very good team and we'll never know just how good Troy Eggman was because it never came up, but I will say once again, Troy Eggman threw 20 touchdowns once. I'm not making this number up, guys. Right. All right. Well, so we talked about elephant and roll. We didn't get to eight men, but the biggest elephant, we got it. We got to address what it comes with Dallas Cowboys and really having like the Jerry Factor and all of this. Yeah. Like the Jerry Factor, the PT Barnum style that was Jerry Jones in all of this. I think on the field aside, I think all of that, the extra stuff is what separated the Cowboys and why they're dynasty that 90s run is looked at so differently compared to some of the other diagnostic runs that we've seen over time because it was so different. It really was. Like it made people care about the Cowboys in a way that had absolutely nothing to do with the on field performance, whether it was the more spotlight, the Dallas Cowboys chair leaders. It was like I mentioned the Nike deal, the Pepsi deal, the commercials, the personalities, the riffs. And all of that stuff, it goes back to a lot of it with the branding goes back to Jerry Jones. The moment I will never forget is in 94 Jerry debuted. They had these double star jerseys because the Cowboys are basically one of the same jerseys since as long as I can remember, right? And you'll see they wear these throwback jerseys now, but these were different. This is the throwback year where everybody was wearing a throwbacks, but they broke out a whole new Jersey, right? It has star here and it had a star there as well, the double star jersey. And when it was time to break and debut those jerseys, I'll never forget modeling that jersey was Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones was in a full uniform pants and all. And he pulled up on NBC, a Fox one of those in the Jersey as the model for it. He was a football player. He played on a national championship football team. He saw himself as a football man. His inspiration is Al Davis, right? Who was a football man who was very involved in football in that way. And Jerry wanted to feel like or believe that he should be involved in the football of it all. But also he decided we're going to make this thing really big. And he did make it really big. Now the question of course, where people is, did he make it big at the expense of the football? I don't know, right? It seems easy to make that connection. But I can't even say he changed the gang because nobody else is trying to do it like him. Like George Stuyd Brenner was living a very similar sort of life, except Jerry never seemed unhinged. Right. And Stein Brenner with the military background was very much regimented. Obviously with the facial air policy. And that's some of the thing where he had respect for the past. But it was kind of, it was really with Stein Brenner. It was a little too traditional when it came to that sense where Jerry was like, hey, nobody else is doing this. Let's try this. Well also, yeah, Jerry's not a bad guy. Like Jerry didn't put a PI on any of his players to try to take them down like Stein Brenner. You know, like, you know, like, but you're right. He is no agent. It is funny. No owner anywhere decided to kick it like Jerry like nobody ever really kicked it like Al Davis. Al, I mean, I'm a big. I'm a big. I mean, Al hung on a little bit too long with what he was doing. But I don't, I don't got it. I love Al. There's the idea of Al Davis is amazing to me. And I mean, I mean, Al Davis had the overhead projection presentation. Yes. When he did, he did. And he was right. Everything he said was right. The thing with Al Davis though, I see what makes Al interesting or different to me than Jerry is, I believe Al Davis was a genius. I do not believe that Jerry Jones was like I think that Al Davis had a vision for his franchise. Like when you think about all the things that Al Davis did, like Al Davis was, Al Davis had a hand in the football. Al Davis came up with all those slogans and sayings that would be around the field. He changed the colors of the jerseys to silver and black. Like just involving the football, a very clear philosophy. I thought somebody who worked at like the Raider store in the mall in Sacramento and Al was coming in looking at the merchandise and set up and all that that stuff, right? Like Jerry, I felt like is a great promoter. And his thing was the NFL has a set of rules that are about sharing the wealth. But we drive more wealth than anybody else. So we should get more wealth than everybody else, which is honestly a violation of the principles that they had tried to enact. And like Al Davis, he decided to challenge it and get the money that there was for the Cowboys because he knew the Cowboys were different. He knew the Cowboys were special. And for the Cowboys to be that girl, sometimes that girl got act like that girl and I don't see it. You know, but he's he's it and the truth is he's the only common thread from the dynasty ending to now. He'll always be the person that we associate what goes wrong with, right? And look, everybody's been to the conference final, a conference championship game, except for what? Did him in the Texans? That sounds about right. Like pick a team out of hat. Yeah, because even Jacksonville's made it twice. The jets have made it twice. Yeah. The lions have made it. Everybody done got the cartonels have been to a super bowl. Oh, hold on, hold on. We got about the Browns. That's only. Yeah, that's only one day, one day. By the way, you see they go and send the the the the the the Saints and the Browns over the Paris to play. And aside from the fact that that football ain't going to be it, I was hoping it would be the Falcons and the Saints so that we can. No, no. Could have go. You understand what I'm saying? We could make that trip. No, no. They can't you can't you can't have that the Falcons and you can't have that. Yeah, you say you front in front of company. You can't. Yeah, yeah. What the Falcons in the States, you can't just be you can't add that. Yeah, I tell you this though, instead you're going to get a bunch of people from Cleveland. Oh, yeah, that's. Now, it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun for the for the orders, folks to go there because I went to Paris and finally New Orleans made sense. But that's what I was going to say. I'm sure they picked the Saints because of the whole French, you know, the Saints have been the Saints have been pushing for that. Like they they had been they had been trying to get that. I don't know how we wound up there, but oh, well, it happens. All right. There's one more is one more factor to add a bring up with the Cowboys and a lot of this is because of Jerry Jones and promotion to PT Barnum as I mentioned before. It's Cowboys fans. Like, can you play? I know I'm wanting to talk as a Nick fan. Like I get it. I get it. But Cowboys fans and that's part of it too. We go back to the 90s that made them a sufferable. But Cowboys fans like they they all Cowboys fans insist upon themselves to borrow term from Peter Greene Griffin. Like this guy nothing to do with y'all, but you're somehow, some way still fine yourself trying to put yourselves in these conversations. This ain't got nothing to do with you. Like, like, what is this in this case? Everything. Everything in life like Doug, next year is going to be a year. Doug, the only way we're going to see your Super Bowl winners on VHS somehow you're still inserting inserting yourselves. Like, honestly, it still feels like a celebratory moment on social media when the Cowboys lose. It still has that feel. And we are 30 years removed from them when the Super Bowl. It's like Cowboys fans always, I don't know if this works now because the delusional now or the 90s when they were actually good. It's just for me, it's just Cowboys fans still to this day. Maybe they've been humbled a little bit. I doubt it. But Cowboys fans is probably the worst part of all of this. All of it. I think they get a bad rap man. They've been law and they've been dedicated to this sad sack outfit. They don't get no pay off from it. They keep coming back. Like, they are in next fans now. Like y'all are the same. And that's the thing they used to make the jump well, you know, we won't chant well. It's been 30 years. I get it. The mix has been 50 plus. Yeah, but that might as well be the same. It's the same. Like, what? Right. That's the thing. If I can't watch your Super Bowl, your championship highlights and HD, then you all in the same, we're grouping y'all in the same boat. If it ain't in 4K, then we ain't the same. I knew you just wanted to get that idea of something like that. I had to. You know what I was saying? Oh my gosh. I had to. All right. That is Shadipit. Shout out, Freddie and Harry, afternoons, ESPN radio, my brother, I appreciate you. Yes, sir. 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