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Projection Psychology: Obsession, Dopamine & Nervous System Dependency

39 min
Feb 26, 2026about 2 months ago
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Summary

This episode explores projection and obsession as nervous system regulation strategies rooted in childhood wiring, examining how these psychological mechanisms create felt experiences of control and cult-like dynamics without actual external control systems. The host analyzes the neuroscience behind these patterns, distinguishing between real manipulation and internal dysregulation, while emphasizing the importance of empathy balanced with boundaries.

Insights
  • Projection is not conscious deception but a nervous system regulation strategy triggered when the limbic system overloads and prefrontal cortex loses self-reflection capacity, causing people to externalize internal distress onto others
  • Obsession operates through dopamine-based regulation loops distinct from genuine loyalty or commitment, where proximity to a person becomes chemically necessary for nervous system stability rather than emotionally chosen
  • Cult-like experiences can be internally generated through projection and obsession without any actual control mechanisms present—the brain assigns authority without consent and reframes chosen proximity as coercion when regulation is disrupted
  • Childhood patterns of object-based regulation (clinging to comfort items, difficulty sharing, jealousy) transfer into adult relationship patterns where people seek external regulation through proximity to specific individuals
  • Boundaries trigger amygdala threat responses in dysregulated nervous systems, causing the brain to rewrite narratives and blame external systems rather than recognize internal regulation deficits
Trends
Growing recognition of nervous system dysregulation as root cause of perceived manipulation rather than actual malicious intent in organizational and relationship conflictsShift in mental health discourse from pathologizing behavior to understanding neurobiological regulation patterns and their developmental originsIncreased awareness of how early childhood attachment patterns and object-based regulation create adult dependency dynamics that mimic cult structuresEmerging distinction between real control systems (with design dependency, exit punishment, authority enforcement) and projection-based control (internally generated through dysregulation)Rising focus on nervous system science and regulation tools as alternative to traditional talk therapy for addressing behavioral patternsRecognition that 'pick me' intensity and over-investment in proximity to authority figures are predictive markers of future instability and potential harmNormalization of empathy-with-boundaries framework in leadership and personal relationships as response to understanding dysregulationGrowing understanding that addiction, obsession, and relationship dysfunction share common neurological roots in early childhood regulation patterns
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DJ Khaled
Referenced for the song 'No New Friends' as cultural example of relational threat detection and jealousy dynamics
Quotes
"Not every intense experience is actually manipulation. Not every strong reaction is harm. Not every structured environment with an SOP is a cult."
HostOpening and closing
"Projection is not a conscious form of deception. This is a regulation strategy. It is also a psychological mechanism which the person is not consciously aware they are doing it. To them it feels real."
HostEarly in episode
"The brain actually learns this person or interacting with this person's words or their identity or their community reduces my personal distress."
HostObsession section
"Sometimes the work isn't actually in taking down a system. Sometimes it's learning how to rebuild your nervous system so that you no longer interact with other systems in a way that actually creates the very cult environment in which you speak."
HostClosing
"Agency returns when regulation returns."
HostConclusion
Full Transcript
Not every intense experience is actually manipulation. Not every strong reaction is harm. Not every structured environment with an SOP is a cult. Sometimes the work isn't actually in taking down a system. Sometimes it's learning how to rebuild your nervous system so that you no longer interact with other systems in a way that actually creates the very cult environment in which you speak. Your brain is wired for deception. But here's the truth. Patterns can be broken. The code can be rewritten. Once you hear the truth, you can't go back. So the only question is, are you ready to listen? There's a phenomenon that keeps repeating in modern culture. People experience being controlled or manipulated or pulled into a cult-like experience, even when there's no real system of control, no enforced dependency, and no punishment for leaving. So what is actually happening? Last week we took a deep look at the mechanics of cult environments and today we are going to look at a counterpart to that. The role projection and obsession through a neuroscientific lens play not simply as character flaws or pathology but as what can only be seen is a predictable nervous system response that is rooted in early childhood wiring. Our episode after this, we're going to go more specifically into nervous system patterns and what sorts of nervous system regulation tools are truly science-based versus woo. So get excited for that one. Because let's be honest, sometimes what looks like power being taken away is actually power being handed over. and when the handoff process collapses the brain starts to scramble to explain why. Let's take a look at projection and what the brain is actually doing when projection is being experienced. Projection is not a conscious form of deception. I know we've talked about this on multiple episodes. This is a regulation strategy. It is also a psychological mechanism which the person is not consciously aware they are doing it. To them it feels real. From a neuroscientific standpoint, projection happens when the limbic system, which is the emotional threat detection center of the brain, becomes overloaded. And the prefrontal cortex cannot maintain a stable sense of self-reflection. We've talked in previous episodes about the importance of metacognition. When somebody goes into projection, what ends up happening is that their ability to operate within metacognition drops out because they are not in that part of their brain. They're in their emotional centers of their brain. In simple terms, first step is that emotional activation is going to rise. Second step is that cognitive regulation drops down and then the brain starts to seek immediate relief. Think about in previous episodes where we've talked about the distinction between those who naturally self-regulate and those who seek out external either people or objects in order to co-regulate. When we're talking about the brain seeking relief, the brain is typically seeking relief through some sort of co-regulation. Co-regulation can come out in addictive behaviors like co-regulating with alcohol or with drugs. It can also come out in co-regulation with people or when we talked about how this shows up in early childhood environments, this could be a very intense attachment to a blanket, a stuffed animal, a pacifier that's gone on too long, etc. even honestly mommy and instead of processing the distress that they're experienced from the internal place right that self-regulation the brain actually relocates it to something external so instead of being able to say to themselves i feel destabilized or i feel unsafe or i realize i am craving dependency the mind actually shifts externally and says you caused this you did this you took something from me. So the projection is the shift away from self and metacognition toward some other person or pattern of cause. What this ends up leaving the person feeling is victimized. Most important thing here is that this is not rooted in objective truth. This is very much about bringing the nervous system back to a state of equilibrium as fast as possible. Example, for a little kid, if their brain determines the fastest way to get back to equilibrium is to cling to my stuffed animal, it will reach for the stuffed animal. If a adult who had that same brain pattern go unchecked to age 40, if they're feeling that instability or that out of equilibrium, they might decide in that moment, even through self-deception where they may know that's not the right step to take, that they need a drink of alcohol in order to regulate. Is the drink actually helping them do better and be better in their lives? No, but their brain, through a process of trial and error and building up these rules in early childhood, has determined that that is the fastest, most familiar way to get back to nervous system regulation. So I know that that might be challenging for some people to think of, but this is why if you've ever known someone struggling with addiction, sometimes it can be hard from the outside looking in to understand like, how could you not see this? Right. And I mean, even some of the conversation topics we've been unfolding in this podcast, especially over the last month or so, sometimes it's hard to go from the outside in and just how can you not put these pieces together? It's like not that challenging of a puzzle. But the problem is because when you're in these patterns, it does feel stabilizing. It does feel like something your brain has run through some sort of logical checklist and been like, yep, story checks out. So it is checking out to the person. And that is why ultimately, no matter what happens, I always have empathy for people that are in these places, even when they are actively harming myself or others, because they cannot see their way out of this. They would in fact likely pass a lie detector test that they really believe this is happening. And for that reason, when you're dealing with somebody who's struggling with mental illness or with addiction, you have to find the line between empathy and the boundary. And that's one of the most challenging things to navigate. That's something that I navigate daily with my mom. I was telling a client this the other day. There are some years that I've allowed her more access because she has demonstrated the ability to make better decisions. And then there have been other years where I've had to pull back that access to protect myself and my family. But the thing that doesn't go away is the empathy remains. I don't ever feel just straight up angry and resentful toward her. Even when there is a boundary that needs to be put in place and there is distance put in place, the empathy remains. And I think for each of you listening to this podcast today, that is an important thing for us to navigate toward is being able to have empathy for people who are in struggle, who are in dysregulation, but not let that empathy become something that we allow to be weaponized against ourselves, right? Not let the empathy be a reason that we justify not putting up a boundary or not exercising some type of self-preservation. The next mechanism we're going to take a look at is obsession because obsession is a different regulatory loop than projection. Obsession is often mislabeled as admiration, loyalty, or intensity. Neurologically, obsession actually functions in a dopamine-based regulation loop, so it does function differently. Sure, can something start off potentially looking like admiration and loyalty? Yes. Can it eventually slip off the edge and intensity and become obsession? Certainly yes. But true obsession goes beyond admiration and loyalty and it does have a sort of chemical dependency that is wrapped up in it. So what's actually happening here is when someone lacks a stable sense of emotional regulation, right, that's self-regulation, the brain learns to stabilized through external proximity to people, predictable access to people, or some sort of symbolic attachment to people. I know that last week we talked about cult dynamics. Cult dynamics naturally draw people in that seek out this obsessive regulatory loop because they are easy targets, because everything we just described technically are things that they do somewhat on purpose. So each interaction, each message, each moment of perceived closeness with whatever that target is, is going to produce a dopamine response. And this temporarily quiets the anxiety, it quiets the messages that I'm not enough, or I have to perform better, or I won't ever be loved. So the brain actually learns this person or interacting with this person's words or their identity or their community reduces my personal distress. The thing is, this is not actually rooted in commitment and loyalty. The truth is when people are oriented toward commitment and loyalty, they're very unlikely actually to experience obsession, validation, seeking, etc. So this is something that we look at on brain pattern mapping, for example. So if you've ever done brain pattern mapping, when you get to certain scores in the timeline behaviors, this is going to help us see how loyal you are, how committed you are, what your commitment looks like at different stages. Example, are you slow to commit initially, but once you do eventually commit, then you're completely fixated locked in and tunnel vision Do you go fixated locked in and tunnel vision right away and then eventually overwhelm your system and have to pull out of things thus looking like you have push commitment These are all examples So when we see somebody who is prone toward obsession they have two markers that are off the charts that is not challenging to see. And I will tell you this right now, and we've talked about this on previous episodes, this sort of duality between those who are more obsessive and fixated and those who are naturally more self-regulated, distracted, and detached. They tend to attract each other like moths to a flame, right? Because the person who's naturally more oriented toward self-regulation and possibly detachment, they're a great target for this person to want to chase. Because whenever that type of person does give their full attention to somebody or something they're usually very present with that thing but they can't be that level of present all the time so it imagine it like the sun when the sun is on that person it's like oh the sun feels so good it's so warm there's so much light but eventually that sun's going to go into something else maybe it's a work project or now it's their kids and to the person that is seeking out a dependency or this dopamine regulation loop out of that sun as soon as the sun shifts away even if the sun shifting away is not harmful it's not intentional it literally is just like a natural process of life because we can't be everywhere at all times it can start to cause this level of distress that we're talking about so that is a sure surefire sign that if you are that type of person i just described and people tend to get really easily agitated and in their heads and take things personally when you are just kind of reorienting and having to live your life just because that sun went away. It literally is that they are feeling the pullback of your sun or your warmth or your energy or attention, and they're seeing it as a potential threat. So instead of being able to see it rationally, like this person needs to give this sun to multiple people, they're immediately perceiving it as a threat. And what I want to drive home here is that with obsession, not only is this part of this dopamine response system but there's also implicit expectations that typically only one party is aware of okay so in most cases and i know for a fact we talked about this in the power projection and collapse of personal responsibility episode there's typically one person that's coming up with and maybe you know to be honest with you when somebody is experiencing both projection and obsession they're operating in such a deep level of self-deception and arguably some either personality disorder or personality disorder tangential experience that they can't see these things consciously or objectively so they're not necessarily aware that they're holding this person in their mind to like xyz expectations but they've not communicated those things and i know that i've said this in a previous episode if that were the case and they brought those lists of expectations to the other person and be like these are my expectations of you the other person every time would push back their list and be like no thank you not only do I not want that and I'm not agreeing to that but I'm I'm not capable of that that is not who I am that's not how I live my life thus the ultimate setup from the outset which is something that I hope as you've been listening to these sort of building block episodes you're starting to get the sense that this was a setup from the outset and it's it's a setup specifically to mimic early childhood patterns and with that in mind let's look at some of the developmental origins of where this sort of obsessive projective wiring starts because it always starts in childhood literally every time so one of the things that can happen is there is a in a childhood format there's often a difficulty sharing belongings. When a child shows intense distress around sharing objects, the issue is an often selfishness. Of course, it looks like that from the outside if you're looking at as a parent, but this has everything to do with object-based regulation. The child's nervous system is actually using that object to stabilize their emotional state, to maintain their sense of control, and to preserve their safety. So example, and this happens all the time when I work with families and break method when you have multiple siblings right there are certain siblings that are appear to be adaptable go with the flow you can like beat them up slap them in the face take their stuff and they're just kind of like whatever I just want to keep the peace and then you tend to have the other which covets their belongings potentially doesn't want to share is very specific or particular about siblings going into their room or touching their things. That has everything to do with what we're talking about right here. There's a part of their brain that is using the control of their belongings and also how they're allowing others proximity to their belongings to regulate their own nervous system. So can it come off as self-centered? Of course, but it's really something that is rooted far more than that. It makes them feel like they cannot be safe if they don't understand how to control the proximity to that object. So example, this is why in little kids, and obviously this is somewhat developmentally normal in toddlers, for example, if you're, let's say a toy is on the side of the room and you're not playing with it, but suddenly your sibling wants to touch that toy, you're like, well, I want that. It's like, well, you didn't want it two seconds ago. You just want it because they wanted it, right? So what they're trying to do is they're trying to control their proximity because if you take it, even though I don't want it right now, if you take it, I don't know technically how I'm going to get it back. So it's like they're already jumping to this future of not necessarily being able to get that object back. Make sense? Great. So neurologically, the object itself becomes linked to calming the amygdala. In adulthood, this pattern, of course, does not disappear. I think I've emphasized this on multiple Decoded episodes. Patterns don't disappear. They get deeper and they find sneakier ways to justify themselves in other aspects of your life. So this object that we talked about, maybe it was the stuffed animal, maybe it was the blankie, maybe it was a specific toy, in adulthood this object is going to likely transfer into a person, a role, access, or proximity. And loss of access is going to trigger the same threat response as a toddler or child who doesn't want you to go into the room, doesn't want you to touch their stuff. That's mine. it's mine right in your head like that's mine you can't touch that that's mine you can't take it away from me that's mine and it again it is not coming necessarily from self-centeredness although there certainly are people that fall into this cluster that are also self-centered but this is much more about regulation and safety at the nervous system level there's also a prolonged attachment to comfort objects so we kind of talked before about the more coveting that's mine not wanting people to touch their objects or to keep them in a certain way and not allow others to share with them but there's also a childhood pattern of prolonged attachment to these comfort objects these are transitional objects that can be developmentally normal like i said in some toddler years but there are people and i'm sure some of you are listening and this is not coming from a place of judgment it just is it's just data those of you who maintained the attachment to these objects like through teen years or you know maybe some of you even still have your blankie and still have your stuffed animal i'm talking to you babe these are signs that this part of your brain is active typically the people on the opposite side of this conversation that are more detached or again can also be disorganized if you're looking at it from attachment styles perspective these people tend not to be attached to anything right so they were the ones that like sure take that i don't care um more just detached and not caring about their physical objects and they tend to be the ones that in this dynamic or hierarchy they tend to chase right because they're really not available because they're really never going to give this person what they're seeking. So what happens is that whether the brain, if the brain doesn't fully transition out of this process, let's say in the six to eight-year-old range, the brain actually will never overcome this until you really take a cold hard look at it as an adult because it does have a soothing effect and the parasympathetic nervous system in turn will start to rely on these outside anchors to calm itself. So example, because I know we didn't mention this, we talked about people, but this can certainly also transfer onto food. I know we've done a previous episode on emotional eating. This can transfer onto Ben and Jerry's. This can transfer onto a comfort food or a binge eating disorder as well. We can do a next episode on that because it's definitely its own whole episode. I want to pause for a second because this episode matters to me on so many levels personally. As you know, if you've been following along with my podcast, I did not get into the peptide space for human optimization. I got into them because my body was completely broken down. I was having autoimmune flares, hormonal weight gain that was not responding to any of my strong willpower or time spent in the gym The only thing that actually made a change was adding peptides to my daily routine When I did that I started to understand bioavailability dosing stacking and that is everything we covering in today episode with one of the leading experts in the peptide space. As you know, I am partnered with LEMD so that you don't have to guess where your products are coming from, whether they're black market from China. You can find all of my recommended stacks at LEMD forward slash busy Gold and L-E-M-D is E-L-L-I-E-M-D.com forward slash busy gold. And I go deeper into all of my protocols and offer support on my telegram group, which is also going to be linked in the show notes. Now back to the show. And what ends up happening eventually here is the nervous system learns, I am okay because of you. So at that point in the brain, when it makes that leap, it's no longer seeing it as regulation around safety it's putting it into more relationship terms which is natural as you get older when hormones are in the mix so it becomes i am okay because of you or because i have access to you or this thing another thing that's worth looking at in terms of childhood patterns is the role that jealousy plays in the underpinnings of this mechanism chronic childhood jealousy reflects a nervous system that is calibrated for relational threat detection, which is the majority of what we're talking about here. Relational threat detection is one of the key components of this. The brain becomes hyper attuned to who has access, who's closer, who might replace. This is a true story and love these women, but this is a good example. And if any of you have ever had you know a best friend and then maybe there's now distance in between and then your old best friend or really like your current but like well you know older best friend in terms of the timeline knows that you have kind of a new best friend and you're trying to introduce them to each other and this doesn't by the way what I'm about to say doesn't mean that this is always the case but this is just a good real life example sometimes those meetings don't go well because it's like oh you're the new me like are you trying to replace me and I literally had a retreat once where I had my previous best friend who was still my best friend at the time like that hadn't changed it was just somebody that had known me longer than the other person is a better way to say it and they knew that they were coming into a situation in which they were meeting kind of the person who was really playing that role in my life in the new location in which I lived and I'll never forget when they met at the door walking into this retreat there was this moment where I was like oh shit are they gonna fight like what's happening right now um and that is that relational threat detection like who's closer are you gonna replace me and you know this kind of brings into the the song no new friends I think it was the DJ Khaled and I remember at that time of my life I've you know arguably had um much more toxic friends than I do now not saying that these two women were toxic but just surrounding me at that time there were more um more toxic people around me at that time in my life and they would jokingly be like no new friends like we don't accept new friends into our into our group and I was kind of the new friend in the group and they were kind of taking the position like you're the only new friend but no new friends um so that kind of shows this sort of jealousy competition cattiness idea that they're basically underlying is some sort of scarcity like we can't both have proximity to this person at the same time so when we're thinking about those of you who have this more inclination toward jealousy let's just call it what it is this also wires the salience network to prioritize proximity over autonomy. So this will, instead of being independent and feeling good on your own, your salience network will actually prompt you to try to keep proximity as much as possible. That will feel safer. It will make you feel more worthy. It will make you feel more stable. So what ends up happening as a byproduct is you start to fixate on attention or ways to get attention. And there is a major sensitivity to perceived exclusion. And there's also emotional volatility around any sort of boundaries. Most of you, I'm sure, can think about a time that you were left out of a sleepover. This is another true story. This one's hilarious. So when I was in, this also tells you a lot about my mom. Okay, so when I was in preschool, pretty sure I was in preschool. I still remember the kids' names. This new girl came into my school and I had had kind of like my little my little group of friends before this girl came and I think I was probably like the alpha of the group at the time and I wasn't thinking in these terms but I think that's basically how it would have been and this girl moves to town and very clearly tries to take over my group of friends but tries to do it in a way that very much seemed prompted by her mom and lo and behold it turns out they have this tea party and they don't invite me and for whatever reason I'm I'm completely blind to this right I'm like four um but I this is burned in my memory forever because my mom lost her ever-loving mind somehow she had found out about it and my mom put me in the car it was so embarrassing and she drove over to the girl's house and basically got in the mom's face and was like do you think that you can just move here and push my daughter out like I don't think so like no one does this to my daughter and I'm sitting there like this is so embarrassing I don't even want to be here I don't even care about this birthday party but it was burned in my mind forever because example like to me I didn't care I wouldn't have known even if I went to school and I heard the girls talk about this birthday party that I wasn't invited to I was the type of kid that literally couldn't have cared less probably would have been like oh was it fun just move on with my life um but my mom is one of these type of people so for her it was it like hit this personal wound like you're gonna leave my daughter out I see what you're doing here you're trying to like you're trying to triangulate and keep my daughter's friends away from her you're trying to replace her so it's just an example of how this can transfer into adulthood and then even be played out with your children which you know So bless it. It was quite the childhood, my friends. But I think this is important to note because sometimes, let's say you are, as we're unfolding this episode, you're like, oh, I'm kind of like this. I see this. It is important to take a look at how this plays out with your children because typically people like this, children tend to be extensions of you. So example with my mom, obviously, this was an extension of me and she took it personally when I didn't know probably didn't need to know at all. So for something like this, we just want to make sure that we are very aware of how that emotional volatility to boundaries can happen, right? Let's say, you know, well, this, you know, this birthday party, we only had room for two people and we just didn't have room for busy, okay? Like, that could have been true. That could have been a boundary that was respected, but my mom did not respect the boundary and she drove us over there and practically started to fight the sensitivity to perceived exclusion also gets hit in the story that i shared and then the fixation fixation on attention maybe not so much but these other two are obviously very real tangible examples of activating these other two but this could happen through something much more under the radar like subtle looks um it feeling like people are getting you're looking at the signals that it looks like they're getting closer like are they closer than I'm closer with this person etc. Another thing that we want to look out for is anxious attachment and emotional fusion and this is what forms when caregivers especially in early childhood years are inconsistent with their regulation so the child learns that safety is unpredictable and that proximity to that person like the closer I am the better the better chances I have of this going well and that separation from this person equals threat and from a neurobiological standpoint this means that the amygdala is overactive the prefrontal cortex is recruited to monitor others instead of self right so it's dropping out no metacognition available and internal regulation never fully stabilizes so authority figures become stand-ins for early regulation so another thing that we talked about in previous episodes was how this tends to cause people like this to look to hierarchy to essentially transpose a parental figure onto you know a boss or a manager or a mentor etc from the adult perspective of this wiring as we know this persists and then it often gets sneakier but this can turn into idealization of leaders mentors or systems over investment in proximity so like going way too hard example I mean I think this term has negative connotation but it's just the word right so you've heard probably the term pick me vibes this is really easy to spot for somebody who isn't like this and it unfortunately it's a repellent when I'm in a group and I'm you know trying to either like make selections or pick people that you know based on a variety of criteria for example in booty based on a variety of criteria are are I believe ready to become master trainers based on their leadership qualities how kind they are to other people how emotionally regulated they are how good their practice is from a physical perspective Those are things that I looking to but one of the things that I have seen often is that if that person has this like pick me, I would do anything to be here. Sometimes I'm being nice here. That almost always gives off the signal that this person is unstable and will eventually be weaponized against too. So I actually find that sort of pick me intensity as repellent, especially now as I get older. If I look at virtually everyone that's caused a major problem in my life, they always started off like that. Literally had some person tell me, but like, you're my Barbie. And I'm like, I'm not a Barbie. I'm literally almost a boy looking like a girl. Nothing about me gives Barbie vibes um so you know that's on me i excused and moved on from that one you know got bit in the butt later on but those that sort of pick me intensity should be a red flag to you if you are a leader because that intensity doesn't go well that usually turns into all the things that we're discussing right now and that's different than confidence and commitment to whatever that person's trying out for whether whatever they're auditioning for or applying for right so those are things that i now especially now know to be red flags in that sort of dynamic there's also a difficulty tolerating limits and if you think about as children they may always push or find a gray area or find a workaround if this isn't properly parented the kid that found a way to get away with this continues to try to get away with this even when it's completely ridiculous like the amount of former employees that I've had with that sort of mechanism at play that clearly just wasn't corrected in childhood is incredible the limits that are pushed regarding you know invoicing feeling entitled it really does not go away and it can get you into serious trouble when you become an adult if it's not handled through some sort of work whether it's break method or something else so that comes from that difficulty tolerating limits because your brain just learns i'm able to push push push nervous system destabilization whenever the access changes right that's another key so this relationship is no longer something that is purely you know love or connection or communication it's something that is deeply rooted in neurological regulation and when that regulation gets it all disrupted the brain starts to demand an explanation and obviously this is where we kind of come back to last week's uncomfortable af episode on cult experiences because let's say a person like this is fired or is asked to move on. Honestly, you guys, I've seen a couple, like let's say I were to pick like a random sampling throughout my life. I've seen a couple people like quasi kind of leave on their own, but almost in all cases that I can think of, all of these upheavals start from people actually getting fired. Like, so from very real boundaries. And the interesting thing that I know we talked about on last week's episode is those interactions are often about at least on behalf of like me or the company etc they're like about as amicable as you can possibly make it um and obviously this sort of thing is it's never an enjoyable experience because you're having to lean on real things that happen like no one ever gets fired for no reason but i mean i'm sure that can happen in like in the world in general but in general in most organizations if you are being let go there is a reason behind it and it's usually a very justified reason that has a lot of data and evidence that supports it so if we look at something like this what often happens is that even if the exit itself is like amicable and you know you try to make sure like hey you know like i appreciate your heart i appreciate your effort like this isn't a good fit when we're dealing with a person like this it doesn't matter how amicable you try to make it or how soft you try to make it, as soon as their nervous system experiences what it's like to be separate of the thing that had been regulating them, it's pretty much a guarantee that this is going to happen, right? Either to call it a cult or to leave in some sort of really explosive, dramatic way that was completely, number one, not necessary, but number two is used to kind of demonize the thing in which they're leaving so that it's not because of them there's no self-accountability there's no ownership there's no like well i did this i see where they're coming from like i wish didn't come to this that's not possible because remember prefrontal cortex not available to this person projection obsession loop right all the things we just those are all the things that are preventing this person from being able to see beyond their own emotions and again i have empathy for it it sucks to be on the other side of it but I do have empathy for it because it would suck more for them, frankly. So thinking about how a cult experience can actually be internally generated, that's exactly what we're talking about in this episode. So a real cult, as we talked about last time, requires design dependency, exit punishment, right, where the organization is punishing, and authority enforcement, right, all these things, right, removing you from your friend groups, telling you that your other friend groups are bad etc right so kind of isolating you much like what can happen in abusive relationships but projection-based obsession that we're talking about right now can create a felt experience of control without any of the control mechanisms being present the brain actually assigns authority without consent it builds identity around proximity and it uses the relationship itself to regulate the internal emotional state and when boundaries start to appear the nervous system experiences dopamine withdraw, amygdala activation, loss of regulation. And that state to the person is intolerable. So the brain rewrites the entire story. What was once chosen proximity becomes coercion. And what was once internal reliance becomes externalized blame. And this comes down to a misattribution of power. The reframe that most people resist is that not all power is actually taken. Some power is neurologically outsourced and that is certainly the case in these situations. And when that regulation is externalized the brain experiences a loss of access as harm. So calling someone a cult leader might be a way for them to explain away their dysregulation, to preserve their self-image, to avoid having to take any sort of ownership or self-accountability, even to avoid grief or responsibility of the fact that they themselves struggle with self-regulation the accusation itself starts to stabilize their nervous system and unfortunately i know we covered in this last episode the way that they do it ironically often creates a real cult environment where they're actually actively recruiting other people into their distorted narrative their sly their their lies their slander their defamation right they're pulling everybody into that because they're trying to build up their identity like if I'm not alone and these people believe me like then I'm safe because now they're rebuilding that same sort of cult framework. So how to tell control from projection? I want you to ask did this environment strengthen my prefrontal cortex? Was autonomy reinforced or bypassed? Was dependency designed or did I actually assume this dependency? Was leaving punished or did I leave and actually did the punishing because in these cases typically the person leaving or was fired they're the ones that actually do the punishment the organization didn't do the punishment control systems actually suppress regulation and projection systems outsource it and these are not the same we have to remember that boundaries themselves are neutral but a nervous system that is wired for external regulation triggers boundaries right so amygdala threat responses are going to come from boundaries attachment panic dopamine withdrawal right we know that they're in that loop and the brain reframes that boundary as rejection harm betrayal but that does not mean the boundary itself was harmful it simply means that it triggered this person's nervous system not every intense experience is actually manipulation not every strong reaction is harm not every structured environment with an SOP is a cult. Sometimes the work isn't actually in taking down a system. Sometimes it's learning how to rebuild your nervous system so that you no longer interact with other systems in a way that actually creates the very cult environment in which you speak. Agency returns when regulation returns. And for that reason, next week we're going to be focusing specific on nervous system regulation and how to tell what's actually rooted in science versus what is just will. I'll see you next week. Your brain isn't broken. It's running an old code. Break Method is a system that maps your neurological patterns, decodes your emotional distortions, and rewires your behavior fast. No talk therapy spiral. No getting stuck in your feelings. Just logic-based rewiring in 20 weeks or less. Head to breakmethod.com and see what your brain is really up to.