Assessing All 32 QB Situations, Who Needs One the Most? Plus, is Mahomes Cool?

welcome to the ringer fantasy football show my name is danny heiderson i'm joined by danny kelly and craig horlbeck and the season is over we did it we did our seahawks super bowl recap you The perfect season. Absolute cinema. No notes. We're going to go through all the teams in the NFL and which ones need a quarterback and just other stuff that's happened since we last talked about the other 30 teams in the NFL. Not just Yooks and Patriots. But first, one last time, DK. It's been 24-ish hours since Will Campbell got frame-mogged by all the Seattle moids and foids. Yeah. How does it feel waking up today being a Super Bowl champion basking? Yeah. Yeah, I'm just letting it wash over me. How nice was it going home last night, laying in your bed and just opening up Twitter and just scrolling? Oh, yeah. There's no better feeling than your team winning a huge game and just logging online. Watching all the party celebration videos. It's the fucking best. All the speeches, you know, the people crying. Staff start trickling in, how great the game was. Did you see Ken Walker and Darnold in the little teacup at Disney World? That was today. I did not see that yet. It's pretty great. But yeah, man. Disneyland or World? I always confuse it. I don't know. The one in California. Wherever they went. I'm sure it was the one in California, Disneyland. Right, right. Yeah. They'd be crazy if they flew to Orlando. The line is, I'm going to Disney World. I have to imagine they went to Disneyland. Yes. Oh, they went to Disneyland. Yeah, somewhere in the Bay. You're right. Yeah. It makes more sense. But no, it feels great. It feels great. Getting a ton of texts from all my friends. I'm just learning how much fun everybody had last night. It's been awesome. Yeah. What was the best text you got? uh my dad actually texted me that he he got to the point in the game last night where he felt bad for drake may you know you know it's a ass kicking where you start feeling bad for the other team that's like my mom she feels bad when quarterbacks throw interceptions right yeah she's like oh that shouldn't be allowed this is gonna be bad can you email us actually if you have parent takes like that ringer fantasy football gmail.com like my mom feels bad when they throw a pick yeah that's a good take yeah so yeah there's a lot of pressure on this guy so there's that i do kind of feel bad for drake may i don't think he deserves all the blame for that loss. I think it was a team loss by the Patriots, a team win by the Seahawks. The other thing I think that kind of became apparent last night as I was going through everything is the Super Bowl was kind of a dud. I know, you know, unbiased, everybody kind of thought that Super Bowl was boring. Yeah. Except for Seahawks fans. But if you look at sort of the way that the Seahawks got to the Super Bowl and won it, getting through both the 49ers two times and the Rams twice in very iconic, fun, exciting down to the minute or down to last minute games i think the way that seahawks got to the super bowl was really cool and really memorable i don't know that you do you're like i loved beating my two divisional rivals he's like when we beat the niners by 40 that was super entertaining everybody loved it from the literal opening kickoff yeah no but i'm like immediately over i'm comparing it to you know other runs in in seahawks history and like the obviously the 2013 super bowl that was an iconic run some of the wins that they had in those in those playoffs and I think if you look at sort of the the last six or seven weeks of the Seahawks season you know it's gonna be one of the all-time seasons so um yeah I think the other thing I thought that was interesting and we talked about this a little bit on the recap show but the identity and the personality of the Seahawks team relative to that 2013 Seahawks team the the Legion of Boom team um is so different and and it's interesting how teams take on the personality of their coach I think this happens in a lot of sports and Mike McDonald is just so he's kind of serious and just on it with all the details and I think the Seahawks of the 2013 Seahawks the Legion of Boom era they were the type of team that were really loud really brash I mean Pete Carroll kind of collected all these random very high personality abrasive people I mean Richard Sherman Earl Thomas Marshawn Lynch Michael Bennett go through the line doug baldwin who's like openly you know uh sort of undermining russell wilson throughout that whole period it was just such a crazy collection of people and then you go this seahawks team and they're very quiet and militant yeah like someone said this on on twitter i was like they were they were almost like non-plussed when they won the super bowl i was like oh we kind of knew they were like on to week one seahawks yeah the seattle players the it reminded me almost of the chiefs and when i the this flex but like i was in the locker room when they won the third one and i was like they they were so like it was so like no the chiefs one well yeah the chiefs eagles they beat the eagles the first time in arizona and they were so like been there done that like it was so routine and it was weird how the seattle players also kind of felt like we fully expected to do this and this isn't like a couple guys are like this is the greatest moment of my life but a lot of them are also just like yeah cool we did it we were gonna yeah yeah um i would say so It's so impressive to get guys to the point where they can expect a buy-in. Personality-wise, and this is the kind of way I frame it, the 2013 Seahawks Super Bowl team, that Russell Wilson, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman team, they loudly demanded respect from everyone. And every moment they got, they were like, basically, fuck you to anybody that doubted them. And this Seahawks team doesn't even care. They don't care about whether you respect them or not. They quietly earned your respect. Yeah, and their whole rallying call this year was mob ties, MOB ties, and mission over bullshit is sort of their mantra. What is it? Mob ties, mission over bullshit, the dark side. How many fucking things? Dude, they need to sell them. Can you rank those? Craig, I like mob ties. I think that's good because it's like Legion of Boom but MOB instead of LOB. You sure it's not mob ties? They're mobging everyone? Well, I mean they're frame mobging. They're frame mob. They really did frame mob the patient. wait explain mob ties like their ties are the legion of boom no they're like mob mob is that it's an acronym for mission over bullshit okay so they're not they're not engaging in all the outward bullshit their their mission is focused on the mission yeah exactly it's like um you know and i think it does kind of represent the type of team they are the type of personality they have as a team like the mission is the only thing that matters they don't they don't partake in all that other stuff which is funny the phrase mob ties to me makes it seem like they're cheating and they have like nasty connections under the table that get things done i think it's a clever play on the fact that the other really famous defense was called lob for legion of boom and the next letter in the alphabet is m so they were like mob we got these other letters over bullshit and it worked well i wonder if they they reverse engineered that probably i like it more than the dark side though dark side's tough dark side never stuck where did legion of boom come from i think they're actually of the age that legion of doom was like the show yeah so they were kids oh so they like the legion of doom and then they remade some of the like artwork from legion of doom okay which i don't actually really know what the legion of doom was all i think is that just the guy comes up with this he's like ah he just laughs in the little swamp or whatever it's a comic you're asking the wrong about it the comics thing okay um i don't really know anything about dc also marshawn lynch commercial after the game i don't know if you guys saw this was i think the first commercial they went too after the game i tapped you on the shoulder i was like this is awesome watch this and he was blacked out i was like just scrolling twitter with one hand the other hand was in his pants um but it was like basically it was a nike commercial for marshawn lynch yeah and he said nothing tastes as good as getting a lick back which i'm gonna be honest i had to look up what that meant i don't i don't i don't use that slang i've had to google a lot of things but yeah um you know basically it's just getting revenge is great yeah getting a lick back i mean doesn't a lick like a punch yeah right yes yeah get your licks i think it's obvious yeah because anyway marshall lynch getting revenge for not getting the football uh on that final play the fateful play in in super bowl would you give up this super bowl to have won that super bowl oh you have to yes probably back to back is rare yeah yeah no you do that yeah you beat brady yeah that's easy but this feels good still but having super bowls 10 years apart 12 years apart is also kind of nice sure yeah because now you've just been talking about 10 years ago for a long time i mean kind of reset the clock yeah you know yeah i also think and one of the reasons i brought up everything about the personality of this team is it does feel to me a little more stable than the last seahawks team where it was like man pete's got to hold this thing together for as long as he can because it's so many big personalities and you know this one feels to me a little more stable in the sense that i mean i think there'll be a very good team next year i mean the odds opened they're the super bowl favorite right now of course according to the odds and so um that gives me some excitement for you know 2026 and beyond i want to apologize that we missed the stat of the game which was that patriots ran for 79 yards but bad bunny carried a football for 124 yards he went for 124 did the gps track he had the football for 124 yards so does that include him climbing up the pole or like falling into the they don't have the 3d track the elevation you know when you do hiking or biking they do the elevation yeah you have your whoop now yeah yeah they would tell me what do you think his strain was oh that was you know a good 11 and a half i would love to know what his heart rate was yeah all these like mega stars i want to know what their heart rate is when they're on stage probably very low right i think even he's nervous for that i think the only person who wasn't nervous doing it was probably like i wonder i wonder how many huge ass i mean he has global tours like he sells out yes but this is larger stadiums than that yes he's literally the only person who can understand bad money scale is probably tolis swift and even then this is 10 times bigger than the biggest thing he's ever done that's actually 20 it's like 30 times bigger in terms of audience yes yeah yeah you get one shot i think even i wonder yeah i don't know these people are built different i feel very confident saying this because i've watched a bunch of instagram videos after the game about bad bunny and one of them was a guy who was going i forget who it was but he was going on the shop with bad bunny they're doing makeup together and bad bunny realized he could speak spanish so he's like he didn't want to say english but he was like in spanish he was like going on with jay-z and um uh lebron and he looks and he's like i'm really nervous to do this show and he was like why you're bad bunny and he was like i know but like i'm really nervous to talk to jay-z yeah but that's something he doesn't normally do i feel like performing is what he's best at. I don't know. I don't think I'm weird for saying he's nervous. He's probably a little nervous, but you have to imagine these people are, you know. You want to nail it. Yeah. But it went well. It's like the Alex Honnold thing. Control your fear and internalize it. He did a good job. Anything else, TK, on the Super Bowl Seahawks? I have one email from the Patriots, and then I want to go through. You have an email from the Patriots? No, that's not true. I have an email from a Patriots fan. oh variable weighed in he listened to the show last night jesus okay the this is from wes w bone and he just he was like i wanted to weigh in on how patriots fans should be feeling because we were talking about how it was not a must-win game for the patriots in the super bowl yeah and the rarely ever seen to the email account he said heifetz is right which i very rarely see and he was like the intensity of feeling for this patriots loss barely registers 2007 loss horrific losing it at falls excruciating there's a 10 out of 10 intensity feelings malcolm butler 28 to 3 or malcolm butler pick 20 to 3 comeback 10 out of 10 euphoria he's like i lived and died with those tom brady era sorry lived and died with those tom brady era patriot superbowls brady's legacy this just doesn't really hurt because this whole season snuck up on us we lost 13 games last year didn't even think about the playoffs until halfway through the season and he says i live in oklahoma and maybe the boston types are different but it just seems we overachieved on a bad schedule and it was just fun to watch Drake Bay. And I feel like a lot of people will hear that and say that's such cope, that's copium. I actually really don't think it is. I think it's being spoiled. It's like, oh, yeah, we got there, but I kind of knew this wasn't the team, so no big deal. I've already watched 11 others. I really don't think it's cope. It's champagne problems. Yeah. So Justin Sales was talking to me about this this morning. The Patriots, we said this last time, but the Patriots have been in 12 Super Bowls. There are 60 total Super Bowls. 12 out of 60. And they're all in their lifetime. They're all in their lifetime. It's 20%. Yeah, it's crazy. And I was doing research for some other thing that we were doing two weeks ago. And I kept coming upon, falling upon these random Super Bowls that I don't remember at all that were from the 80s of the Patriots losing. I was like, how many fucking Super Bowls has the Patriots been in? And they've lost as many as they've won. Six and six. Yeah, they've been 12 Super Bowls. Think about that. how many how many of the sealers been to they're eight eight okay but it's the concentration it's all are they second they're tied but that's different they both have six no no no how many they've been to eight how many who's second in total super bowl's been to oh the super bowl appearance this is the word you're looking for thank you the point though how many super bowls have the second most teams i think he's the second most uh i don't know it's been a long Wait, all right, I'm tired. Probably the Niners, but I think the point is that that's not even a comparison because the Steelers were there in the 70s and the Niners were there in the 80s. 11 of the last 25 years the Patriots made the Super Bowl. There's a presidential election every four years. The Patriots literally make the Super Bowl literally every two to three years for 25 years. Patriots, 12, but then it's Steelers, Cowboys, Niners, and Broncos all had eight appearances. That's over a 50-year span. It's more than half the span. Anyway, enough of the Patriots. I want to just run by – we're going to go through all the quarterbacks, but first I just want to run through the Super Bowl. lots of you guys next next year where there's i basically tiered him out the seahawks and rams are basically tied as the favorites eight to one i think that's exactly correct makes sense they're head and shoulders about everyone else stafford's coming back there is a tier two of ravens bills and packers are all like 12 to one and then there's like the chargers eagles lions chiefs patriots 49ers broncos jacks and texans are all basically in the same group of 15 to 20 to one it's interesting the chiefs have fallen off so precipitously i find that to be ridiculous yeah I actually, I think the Chiefs, it's over. And we're going to say it's over. That's insane. It's over. No, it's not. It's over. It's over? What does that mean? For the next two years? You think Mahomes is done? Not Mahomes is done. Whatever. You think the Mahomes Chiefs are done? No, I think the Andy Reid Chiefs are done. Okay. I'm saying when Mahomes is on the Chiefs, do you think they will ever be good again? I'm saying I think that this is who they are, which is they'll always be a dangerous playoff team, but I don't think they're a Super Bowl. I don't think they're going to win the Super Bowl. They've lost their superpower. The truth is that they're just doing what the Andy Reid Eagles did all over again, but they were good enough to win all the Super Bowls that Andy Reid kept losing in the conference title games. But the way that Andy Reid petered out in the Eagles games in the Eagles era is very similar to this. I mean, I guess I know it sounds like a hot take to be like, oh, like the Chiefs are done, but I'm just saying Mahomes is 30, coming off a 20 ACL. You say this, but okay. But all we – like how quickly do you forget? All we complained about until the day before Patrick Omos-Torres ACL was that the Chiefs' offense hasn't been good in three years. Like, I'm just saying, now they hit all those draft picks on defensive players, and they had them on rookie contracts. By the time Mahomes is healthy again, they're not going to have, like, just cheap defensive starters at every spot. And so now you're going to have this offense where it's like Kelsey's gone, and they have all these problems, and it's like Andy Reid in the offense. It sucks. It's outdated. Matt Nagy's leaving. They're bringing Eric Biennemi back. They're out of ideas. They don't know how to move the football. Matt Nagy might be a good thing leaving. Well, maybe. But the fact – but I'm just saying like I'm not trying to be like they're bad. They're going to like be in the top five of the draft. I'm just saying like Andy Reid has had really competitive six-year windows, but now they're getting back to like – that era was when it wasn't – the football didn't look like what we just saw this season where it's like you have to be able to run the ball, get on play action. They made all the Super Bowls when it was like Andy Reid's strength was the strategy that would win, which is fuck running the ball. We're going to do all this weird passing shit. and now it's back to like giant teams like play action under center and i agree with all that i think that's right however i would still happily gobble up any mahomes stock that you're selling tom brady towards acl 31 like that to me means nothing but yeah that's fine but that was coming off with the literal best season anyone had ever seen yeah but you i don't know what the point is like he's 30 and he towards acl like am i supposed to be worried about his health i'm saying i'm not worried about mahomes i'm saying andy reed is is 68 yeah and i'm just like like and that's why i'm I literally tried to say, I'm not saying Mahomes is cooked. I'm saying Andy Reid's 68, and I don't know if he's going to get back to cutting-edge offense. That's all. It's been four years since we saw him. I think they're going to be a problem next year. Well, look at them. Top 10 pick in the draft. They're going to be a 3-1. Okay. Just takes a couple hits in the draft. I've got to tell you, I didn't think throwing Andy Reid under the bus was controversial. All we complained about is the Chiefs offense sucks. No, that's fair. And I agree. He came in, and the whole pass-first, his offensive style worked when it did, and now things are shifting towards a heavier personnel run the ball, all that stuff. And that's not really the Chiefs' style. But I don't know if I buy that that just means the Chiefs are dead to rights until Andy Reid leaves because they won't be able to adjust. I don't know. I don't know if I agree with that. You say this, but then one day you're going to be like, oh, my God, he is old. He can be old. It's can he adjust? We'll see. OK. Let's go through. Tough division for the Chiefs. We're going to get there. let's go through all the the teams you need a quarterback this season because all seasons here I think everyone especially for everyone else other than Danny Kelly real season starts now for a lot of fan bases this is the strap in this is the only time of the year this is the Raiders Super Bowl right now I know we say I should never say this is the year for the Giants but this is the year for the Giants and this is the year for everybody so we're just going to go through every team you know who it's not the year for? the Steelers this ain't the year for the Steelers I'm already looking at 2028 2027. I don't know. Rogers, McCarthy back together. That's true. We're going to do another one of those mashups where Craig goes on the roller coaster. It's like Zoolander 2. You're going to be like, I'm all in. Rogers looks fantastic. He looks spry. He's got a strong arm. He can make any throw on the field. I don't know. I don't know. Something's going well here. I don't know if the season finished this way, but there was a long stretch of the season where Rogers had the longest throw in the league. just want to point that out um there is a chance that the Steelers offense is better let's just start with the AFC North then the Steelers do they need a quarter like obviously they need someone beyond this season but do you think Aaron Rodgers comes back to play with Mike McCarthy apparently it's been reported that they've talked about Rodgers and McCarthy have talked several times and the other people they have on the roster are Mason Rudolph Will Howard and Skyler Thompson um if he wants to play you should take him back I agree and I think because the other options are not great the draft is bad the Steelers have the 21st pick the free agent pool is bad Rodgers was good enough last year and if the I actually maybe the offensive will be better under McCarthy than whatever the hell was going on with I think Arthur Smith did like a fine job for what they had but maybe McCarthy and Rodgers will be better suited for one another I mean the whole thing with Rodgers and Arthur Smith is like how is this going to work who's going to be the one who ultimately wins the decision making and it was kind of like for a portion of the game it was arthur smith and then when it got into the final two minutes it was like rogers took over instead of calling the plays but obviously he has the relationship with mccarthy and i do think physically he looks fine it's just rothier rogers not mccarthy i think rogers looks fine um as long as you're not looking at his head shot in the helmet right at one time it was like one sunday liz was watching the game with me and she's like who is that man he is old that is an old man i was like you bite your tongue that's our quarterback um so no i don't think they need a quarterback this year but i would love for them to try to develop somebody under rogers whether that's will howard who i like or we draft another guy and figure it out okay bangles would you agree what do you think i think he's their probably their best option yes yeah no i disagree you're like they should get a young quarterback and develop them though just stick with rogers i would but like if we want to draft a quarterback in the third round i can find no i know i was a joke i was trying to trigger you do you agree yes i think they should get a young quarterback other than Aaron Rodgers. Okay, sorry. To be clear, we're going through each and every team and determining whether they need a quarterback or not. Yes. Yeah. AFC North, Cincinnati Bengals, Joe Burrow, they do not need a quarterback. No. Baltimore Ravens, Lamar Jackson, they do not need a quarterback. I don't want you to know. Keep your eyebrows down. You both raised your eyebrows. Put them down. Put them where they are. We've been doing content for two months. Put them where the fuck they are. Or, do you agree with the Ravens having way, way, way better Super Bowl odds than the Chiefs? Yes. No. What the fuck are we doing? what is what are the ravens have you just forgotten what it was like to watch what has lamar jackson done in the playoffs that's lamar jackson didn't make the playoffs either he would he was hurt the home that she sucked when mahomes was healthy the ravens were pretty bad all year too ravens stunk you talk about that's why they didn't make the play they won in five before he got hurt he was terrible then bet the fucking chiefs then i will do it i feel like didn't we discuss that every year it was like you should never falter and just bet the chiefs every year because more often than not you'll be right right like 40 percent of the time they'll probably make the super bowl but also i think that what we're forgetting is what have you seen out of lamar that makes you so confident that they should have doubled the odds of patrick mahomes because lamar has been a better quarterback they have a brand new coach they have a brand new offensive coordinator lamar was terrible last year i think there will be i think the receivers aren't good derrick henry's old what like oh don't that's how i know you're being you're lying for you said mahomes towards the acl when he's 30 years old what does that mean that means this season i'm a little concerned we always talk about this you're lying through your teeth because you said derrick henry's old and you don't give a shit about that derrick henry fumbled a lot last year 32 the defense is going to get better it's really simple it's i think that the defense got worse under zach or when mike mcdonald left and jesse meant to run the defense means the ravens will be closer with we just saw from seattle than what we saw from the ravens last year we're talking we're not talking about what team's gonna be better you're talking about the best defense and we're talking about the super bowl yeah how have the ravens done in the playoffs lately how have the chiefs done in the playoffs i feel crazy right now yeah you are crazy but also we just watched the cheap dude all even when the chiefs won the super bowl a few years ago yeah when they went we were like third time right yeah yeah am i all right literally all right maybe another way to say this i feel like i crazy right now because I saying this team that made four How many Super Bowls they make They made five Super Bowls in seven years and won three of them OK, take Tom Brady out of it. Who else has done that and then kept going? I just it's never happened. It's not crazy. It's why. Why do we have to take Tom Brady out of it? Mahomes is up there with the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Of course he is. And even Tom Brady did not win another Super Bowl for seven years after he tore his ACL. What about this is crazy? Yeah, but in those years, the Patriots probably still had pretty damn good odds. Yeah, and Belichick was 20 years younger than Andy Reid. I feel crazy right now where I'm saying I literally – all I'm trying to say is that – It's Seahawks, Rams, Ravens in the odds, and I think that's weird. The Ravens are – I mean, look. The Ravens are teetering on collapse in my opinion. See, this is where we disagree. the Ravens were the most injured team in the NFL last year and I'm like we'll be healthier the Ravens are basically the Chargers they're gonna find some spectacular way to fuck it up in the playoffs every year what are we doing the Harbaugh curse I actually am like kind of speechless I the Ravens season I guess the way it's put it I like it when you're on my side on these things here's the thing I guess here's my question do you guys feel that last year was like a catastrophe for the Ravens, a calamity, like a sign of things to come. Because they literally still had more fucking wins than the Chiefs. Like this horrible Ravens season, they won eight games. We're not talking about wins. We're talking about winning the Super Bowl, to be clear. That's where I landed. How many players do the Chiefs have in defense better? Like the Ravens have a better player defense almost everywhere. All I'm saying is if I'm going to choose a team to win the Super Bowl, it's going to be the one that went to three straight Super Bowls, has won three Super Bowls in the past eight years. I'm going to choose that team to win the Super Bowl over the Ravens, who historically just make spectacular ways to get out of the playoffs every year. Lamar is pretty firmly entrenched in Tier 2, and I think it's going to take a lot for me to put him in Tier 1. And until then, I don't think I can put him above the Chiefs. I've got to tell you, it's actually a good sign for the show. I didn't actually know there was a topic we could feel this passionately about at this point. I didn't know we could disagree. It's just like I've given up being a Ravens believer. I'm like, I'm out on that. I mean, they might win the Super Bowl next year, but I'm still taking the team that has done so well in the playoffs and so well in the postseason. The Chiefs are below the Lions, the Eagles, the Chargers, the Packers. I don't know. Yeah. We should probably bet them on that. You should probably bet the Chiefs. Yeah. Anyway, I did not think that would be true. So the Ravens don't need a quarterback. Also, to be clear. Yeah, all I was trying to say was. I'm having a blast. We're talking about Lamar Jackson being fucking replaced. I feel crazy. Stick around. I don't think Lamar should be replaced. For the offseason when we just trigger each other, every show. Yeah. The Browns. I think they're doing pretty good. I mean, they have a Pro Bowler. They have two Pro Bowlers. They have two Pro Bowlers. Deshaun Watson, Shador Sanders, quarterback battle between two Pro Bowl quarterbacks. Yes, they need a quarterback. You can put them in that. Sean Watson off an Achilles that he then re-tore, making $46 million a year versus Shador Sanders. And then Dylan Gabriel's there. That's quite the situation. So the Browns have the sixth pick in the draft. No chance they get a quarterback. They're probably not going to use that on a quarterback, I would assume. So the quarterback's going to be Shador this year, right? I think he'll be in the competition. If Watson can – I don't know. I actually don't think – That was a buildup. Bless you. Man. You're literally allergic to this room. Yeah. No, I still can't believe you had the audacity. to be like, Derrick Henry's old. Like, you've never cared anyone said that ever. We say Derrick Henry's old every year. What are you talking about? You know what you did. I was pissed that you said Mahomes to or ZCL. He's 30. I'm like, okay. That's not for, all right. I couldn't have been clearer. For this season. But what does his age matter this season? Why does it matter that he's 30? It's more about he tours ZCL at the end of the year. Why does it matter that he's 30 or 25? What is the difference? All right, fine. You know what you did. you were also trying to spin it. If he was 29, you wouldn't have said that. It was because he was 30. Well, I'm 30 and it sucks. It's fucking awful. I know. Craig was just complaining about his hamstrings, actually. My hamstring is crazy tight. Did you play basketball? Did you stretch before you played basketball? Always. Of course. What's your stretch routine? Wait, let me walk you through my stretches. A little. I pulled my hamstring. I want to know what you do. We're on day nine. I have various hamstring stretches. I don't know. The classics. Okay. Bend over. I don't know. i don't usually i try the clearly i don't have some secret magical stretch i try the thing where i'm touching my feet yeah well i wanted i sit down and i stretch it i stand up and i stretch it i want i wanted to ask if you had you know what i don't have that some people do is what's your uh the russian upside down twist i do that one you know the people who they have the band though that you like wrap around the foot and you're laying on your back and you pull your your like anthony richards that's my routine yeah that's a nice one that one ate me in the face though unfortunately okay speak well speaking of which uh afc south okay anthony uh jaguars do not need a quarterback trevor lawrence fifth in mvp voting actually should have been third tennessee titans do not need a quarterback can't work play well as a rookie yeah you play well uh texans no texans no the vibes are worse but no this is this is the year i can't believe you guys raised your eyebrows at lamar jackson but don't raise your eyebrows at cj stroud i think that's in so we were doing a bit yeah i'm glad we have that on record um no the other stuff wasn't a bit also lamar's how many lamar's that played like seven seasons and has collapsed in like three different playoffs didn't you guys pick the right didn't you guys have the ravens at the super bowl this year yeah no no no i ripped my heart out i took i was i said before before the start of this season i was like i'm not doing the ravens all their players got hurt i'm out anyway you know what i'm not doing this again uh indianapolis colts do they need a quarterback yes and no so like daniel jones is a free agent technically they do need one he tore his achilles god and they both think he'll be ready for training camp but they it's going to be hard for them to agree on a contract so they might have to franchise tag him but the franchise tag is a one-year deal for 47 million dollars can't do that sounds crazy but it's like it's a six but they're probably gonna i will say the important thing with the money is it sounds insane but it's always the same as a percentage of the cap it's like one sixth of their budget in the quarterback because it's not gonna get 300 million dollars now but it is insane to think that achilles tears have gone from this thing of like oh his career is over to it will like marginally affect his contract negotiations which is insane yeah i mean wouldn't you argue for daniel jones that it would actually benefit him to take a little bit less money to stay in indy because of how good they were with him and how the system fits him like him taking money elsewhere and and you know testing the market yeah he goes to like miami and just tries it out there he might be fucking terrible at a situation he knows he'll be good and he might take a little bit less money i mean especially with like this whole sam darnold thing where yeah we talked about it all year the situation is so important the belief in the coaching staff the belief from your teammates all that stuff i think the fans probably still believe in him pretty strongly even though he did falter a little bit towards the end there sure there's risk for jones i would argue there's far more risk for the colts because if you let daniel jones go after he was great for you for a season right after sam donald wins the super bowl because the vikings let him go and the colts give up two first round picks to get a quarterback if you let him go then okay you didn't have to pay 47 million for a season you waste a season who gives a shit the to waste the last nine seasons or whatever like that you're gonna have like your 10th straight week one with a different starting quarterback like no you bring daniel jones back hope he stays healthy and is your guy for like a five or six year window because if you just start from scratch again and just hope either anthony rich i mean anthony richardson by the way we don't even know still what the deal is with his vision like his face got hurt but like his eye like they the only thing more expensive than money is just literally going back and being like we have to start completely over again so i do think they're gonna have to pay him and the number starts at 47 million because Daniel Jones can just sit there and cross his arms and then they'll have to fucking tag him, which is crazy. Unless he wants to like, what if he wants a three-year deal? Well, that's what the tag is for because if you do a three-year deal, you can lower the $47 million number now later. Totally. The way the cap works is like they could pay him $30 million now and $60 million later or whatever. But if it's a franchise tag, it is $47 million this season. They're probably going to sign him to a deal, right? I bet you they do. I think they probably do. But it's going to look like – It'll be like a Darnold deal, like a three years 100 or something like that. But it's funny how football works. How much fun did you guys make fun of the Giants for signing Daniel Jones in that contract? Because he's going to get it again, but the same number. But he's going to get – instead of 160 on four years, he's going to get 160 on three years after he tore his Achilles. There's just not very many quarterbacks out there. But isn't that crazy? Yeah. Yeah. It's wild. And I was like – I immediately wanted to defend the Colts' decision to do this, but it's – What else did he do? He only did it for like eight games. How many games did he play? I think he went like nine and four. He cracked his leg bone. Oh, he played that long. Okay. He went like 9-4 towards Achilles in the 14th game, roughly, something like that. About 130 hours after they said his leg couldn't get any worse. Right. He had a broken leg. His leg cannot get worse. Yeah. It's also – all of this is so much trickier because the draft is terrible for quarterbacks. Like there's just – there's no hope. If it were the Caleb Williams draft and there was like six quarterbacks people liked in the first 15 picks. What about the next year's draft? Maybe they could get a quarterback in next year's draft. Oh, wait, no, they traded it, their first-round pick, in both of the next two drafts, for a cornerback, who then also had Achilles tightness. It's a tough run out. Sorry for the Colts. Okay. That is the AFC South. AFC West, weird division. Denver Broncos do not need to replace Bo Nix, and yet Sean Payton literally brought it up anyway, which is weird. He wouldn't have drafted him had he known about his foot issues. There's no team in this division needs a quarterback. No, but it's weird that Sean Payton went out of his way to publicly remind people that I told Bo Nix, if I had known about your ankle and that it was inevitable it would be broken. It is weird. But he literally not only said that, I wouldn't have taken you. Then Bo Nixon to come out publicly say, He shouldn't say that shit. How dare you talk about my private medical information and you're wrong. It's only with doctors, but yes, it's still poor taste. And it was just a poor attempt at a joke. It just landed so flat. He tried to laugh and the media was like, what? Chiefs? Mahomes? I don't know. You think maybe. Yeah, maybe. They do need a backup quarterback because genuinely, like, they can't pressure Mom to be ready for week one. Because Gardner Minshew also tore his ACL. So they actually need a backup quarterback. There is a team that needs a quarterback in this division. Well, yes, but. Well, the Raiders are going to take Fernando. Well, they really don't, though, because the Raiders are the first pick. They're going to take Fernando Mendoza. Correct. Chargers are filed. Chargers don't. It is worth noting, one, the Chargers hired Adam Gase. Yes. After a five-year hiatus in the NFL, Adam Gase took the Chargers staff. I kind of like when the guy like that is like a specialist has a very, very small role in the coaching staff and he can just lock in and be his weird self specifically for and do one thing really well than have to manage human beings, which you won't have to do. Right. I don't know. Can I take this a moment? I think we have a lot of crazy minds in there. You have Harbaugh, fucking Mike McDaniel and Adam Gase. Insane. Nightmare blood rotation. It has been years since I've been able to tell the story. We have a lot of listeners who haven't heard this. Can I remind people that the Adam Gase's wife pregnant story? Yeah. Harbaugh probably loves this story. Harbaugh, that's probably why I hired him So the year Peyton Manning broke all the records And then Seahawks destroyed them in the Super Bowl Peyton Manning was 55 touchdowns And Adam Gase was kind of like a little bobblehead This is from Dan Pompey at The Athletic But this story, crucially, is from Adam Gase's wife Like, this is in her words Are they still married? I don't know I'm going to look it up Excellent query Something we should find So, this is Dan Pompey at The Athletic I think they were the ones who got divorced at the Kid Rock show Yeah, they got divorced That was a real divorce, yeah So Dan Pompey wrote this story at The Athletic that every Tuesday, this is October 1st, 2013. Every Tuesday, Adam Gase was in Denver. He met with Peyton Manning at two o'clock. Except one Tuesday, Adam's wife, Jennifer, was delivering their son, Wyatt, by C-section. Adam Gase tells his wife to schedule the operation for 10 a.m. And this is literally a quote from Adam Gase's wife. They pull the baby out of me and say, it's a boy. And they didn't even put my- Pull the baby out of me. These are her words. I'm not changing them. She says, they did not even put my organs back and sew me up before Adam says, you good? You good. Are you good? Put my organs back is vivid. And then Adam says, yeah, I'm good. And he says, all right, then I'm out. And the doctors say, do you want to talk like that? He really said that? You good? This is his wife who's saying this. He couldn't even say, are you okay? Perhaps she was embellishing to make him look even worse. Although she is the daughter of an NFL player. Maybe she gets it. Maybe she's like, the guy loves ball. The doctors then say, hey, Mr. Gase, do you want to cut the umbilical cord? And he says, no, I'm good. And then he goes back to work, which is maybe he's just very mad, Ben. Don Draper. I mean, it's not a good look. No, it's not. Anyway, so him and Mike McDaniel, Jim Harbaugh, all going to talk. That's such a good point. I will be betting the nightmare. Jim Harbaugh. Can you imagine the discussions that happen? Like there's going to be like conversations in a room where it's Herbert, Harbaugh, McDaniel and Gase. Jim Harbaugh is sitting there like, do you guys remember the day you were born? Adam Gase is like, I don't even remember the day my son was born. I'm all in on the Chargers once again. Oh, God. It's an incredible team. They are my favorite team in the NFL. All right. So that's the AFC West. Yeah, they're amazing. You said, by the way, you said, I think on the show. I did. That if Mike McCarthy is hired as a Steelers fan. I will become a Steelers fan. So you're going to be a Steelers fan. Chargers fan. I am. Wait, we have to do AFC East. Yeah, sorry. AFC East. So Patriots do not need a quarterback. Drake May. Buffalo. Don't. Okay, let's keep wondering if you guys are going to do a bit. Buffalo Bills. Oh, stop. Buffalo Bills do not need a quarterback. They have Josh Allen. Can't win a big one, though. Jets obviously do. Only quarterbacks on the roster are Terod Taylor. Jets always need a quarterback in perpetuity. Dude, they fired their offensive coordinator three weeks after the season ended and hired Frank Reich, who was also out of the game. It's a little crazy. Is this the worst second pick in the draft in a while? It has to be. Yeah. God. Worst being least obvious. Least obvious and worst. Factoring in what you need. fit to the yeah that is also a good point because if you could just take a tackle cool the jets are like they actually just use two picks on tackles who's the funniest quarterback i feel like we play this game every year who's the funniest quarterback that the jets could have starting this year justin fields yeah where's he gonna be well i was gonna say the other team is the dolphins and part of me thinks it'd be funny if the dolphins cut to a and then he signed with the jets it's to a by it has to be to oh my lord and then it is to it's to buy a lot so adam schefter reported this week that Tua is just openly available in trades and that the Dolphins are willing to take money in a deal. And again, we've talked about this. Tua doing pressers every week in the New York media. Oh, God. It's going to be something. It's going to be something. The question is, is how much of Tua's salary will Miami have to pay? A lot. Like 95%. And it sounds like they're willing. It sounds like they're willing to. It's going to be like the Russell Wilson Broncos thing. It's a third of their salary. They'll have to cut it in half and do a sixth of each of the budget this year, a sixth of the budget next year. No one's going to Like, no one's going to trade. I mean, the Steelers paid Russell Wilson like $1 million, and the Broncos are paying him $49 or whatever. Yeah. And that worked out for Pittsburgh, so maybe somebody should take a shot. I think the Dolphins are going to have to cut him. Or just, I mean, the idea that you cut someone, the fact that the Dolphins don't even want to entertain keeping him, being like, it's at some cost, you might as well work for us. They're like, no, we'd rather, like, you leave. It's incredible. But, yeah, Tua, if they cut him, I don't know. They might want to send him somewhere. I don't know. It's not good. But Tua is definitely going to be out there. Yes. In Miami, you know, they have a lot of Green Bay Packers people now in the building. It feels like, yeah, it feels very obvious Malik Willis is being funneled there. We'll see. Malik Willis is the guy that we're going to talk about all offseason. He'll play a couple games. Oh, yeah, he does suck. He's like the ultimate mystery box where it's like we saw him just be good enough. Like Matt Flynn, another Packer. Yeah. The difference is like Malik Willis, if he's good, the ceiling's insane because he's probably the fastest quarterback. He has really good tools at the very least. Matt Flynn never had great tools. it felt like lafleur dealing with malik willis is like i can do this for a couple games it was like josh dobs and the vikings where you can scheme around it where nobody can really prepare just yet they don't know exactly what you're going to do 17 games of malik willis on a mediocre team very different than two games on a good team i think the reality is they're bullish they'll give it they'll give it a shot because it again would you rather take a one-year shot on aaron rogers or like malik willis and you're like well if malik willis is good then we actually have a guy for like eight years tyree hill gonna play football next year it's a great he's never playing for the dolphins again that's a whole separate list is like brandon iuk's never going back to the niners tyreek hill's never going back to the dolphins i'm wondering if they're good yeah these are the you the first two guys you mentioned tyreek and iuk i'm like are they gonna play football again brandon iuk we haven't mentioned him should we talk about him or another show i'm worried about that man i'm not kidding remember that video of him driving by levi flipping it off yes that's none of that's the thing you do when you're like man they put george kittle and debo samuel on netflix and not me and we lost the super bowl and they didn't pay me oh wait yeah they did they gave you 40 million dollars a year it's weird that you got paid 100 million guaranteed and then flip off the building i'm like they gave you a tremendous amount of money and then kyle shannon said you didn't hear from you for six weeks i'm like that's a little wild anyway word for that guy uh that's the afc so again really the jets and dolphins are screwed who is going to be the jet starting quarterback in week one oh well you want to go through other divisions here you want to do at first. I think I think it is Derek Carr. I think Derek I mean we're going to the Saints for a second but basically like the Saints I feel like you can talk yourself into that. Tyler Shuck is good and the Saints don't need him but I think Derek Carr wanted to sit out a year, do the rehab, his shoulders back Nick Underhill at New Orleans Football. New Orleans.Football Nick Underhill reported that Derek Carr is throwing again. He had a bad shoulder injury but he's playing and he's a not like a stafford but there's a last gas generation of quarterbacks that know how to play football and like know how to run an offense even if they're physically not there and i think that derrick carr is believe it or not the best the jets can get to actually get a look and let their offense try to have a real offense for garrett wilson and offensive line and everyone i think it's going to be the best option they have i think they give like a fifth round pick for derrick carr that may be the case but i can't stress enough how much the jets signing derrick Carr will not work. So do you, I, I, I, last year we were like, Justin Fields is best of my chance. How else can I put this? I can't stress it strongly enough. All the guys, when you picture them in Jets uniforms, like no shot. I think the Jets should completely redesign their uniforms because I, I just seeing them change the name. They need to do, maybe they need to change the name. Just rebrand. Derek Carr in a Jets uniform, you know, immediate L. It's funny you say that. They're green and yellow. Sorry, they're green and white because the old owner was the Hesford. family and it was like it's color synergy with the hesses and the s trucks and the stations they don't need to be green and white they could change the color scheme you're right it's cursed no has a team ever really done that sure but without changing their name yeah keep the well maybe i don't know like if they were just blue and red now like no one's ever really done that right well you can't go blue and red because the giants you know what i mean but like you tweak like the seahawks have tweaked the jags have tweaked i feel like there's probably There's not even NBA teams that have done it. That just completely changed their colors. That's a good take because you picture, hey, Kyler Murray, and you're like, as a Jet, you're like, oh, my God. As an NBA expert, some of the NBA uniforms are unrecognizable to me at this point. I don't know. It seems like they have a million different uniforms. Like the Grizzlies have different colors now, don't they? Weren't the Grizzlies like purple back in the day? They were also in Vancouver. And they moved cities, yeah. They switched countries. So, you know, maybe the Jets should do the same thing. They should go to Vancouver. Yeah, the girls are going purple. They have that, like, teal. Yeah, what color should they go? What color scheme are we talking about? So they keep the Jets. Yeah, I know. Jets, kind of a cool name. Gunmetal Gray. Just gray, everything. Just all gray. All gray? I don't know. I don't know. What's a color that's not really used too much? Honestly, blue and orange and synergy with the Knicks could work. I don't mind that. I like when cities synergize. It's like Pittsburgh. I think it's cool. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's great. I wish more cities could work. Maybe blue and yellow. blue and orange yeah like broncosy what if they go yankees pinstripe that's so funny they should why has no one done that wait is that a common combination yankees and jets fans because i know that's well i mean it's usually yankees so big that's like that's like opposite there's plenty of everything there's plenty of people like that but for the most part the biggest percentage is yankees giants nicks and then rangers and then there's a lot of like jets um well everyone's but it's still Jets, Knicks, Mets. The Mets have range strikers. Right? Yeah. No. Don't they sometimes? No. If they do, then no. Yeah, they do. But it's embarrassing. Oh, yeah. Pinstripes are literally assessed. No. You do the... Well, I know that. The Jets can take the Mets colors. That's also blue and orange. Jets and Mets. Actually, I guess that would kind of work for them to be blue, orange and Mets. The problem is I think everyone would be embarrassed to be assessed. A blue, orange pinstripe for the Jets? Give it a shot. Just do that? That would work, actually. They should test it. Just use the same logo as the Mets. They should have a glove. They changed the J to just Mets. Just change the J to an M. Yeah, we want people to stop thinking we suck. What else can we do? It would be cool if there was alternate jersey week in the NFL, and everybody just had to completely pivot from their usual colors. They do that. They literally do that. What do you mean? They're like throwbacks. It's called the city. They literally do that. Like the city connecting. The Patriots came out this year and wore their Blizzard Nor'easter jerseys. like they're doing this oh yeah but that's still kind of in line with the thematic colors of the team yeah but they're experimenting more than ever they're changing the helmet they never let them change the helmets till like two years ago yeah i do kind of think the mets like branding is pretty iconic it's trying to be cool iconic is for the iconic is too strong a word but yeah classic classic yeah a nostalgic charm to it email us at ringerfantasyfootballgmail.com if you're a Mets fan and you're just bewildered. Let's get a complete redesign. One pinstripe week. Come on. We should ask Matt James to do this. One of our people here at the Riga. He's a Mets fan. Matt, if you're listening, cook. Redesign the Jets. Okay, that's the AFC. NFC East, Giants, do not need a quarterback. Dallas Cowboys, Jackson's Art, future. How dare you? Dallas Cowboys, Dak, do not need a quarterback. Washington Jaden Daniels this is elbow It fine He doesn need a quarterback Philadelphia Eagles they don need a quarterback But a year from today we might be talking about they need a quarterback They don't need a quarterback right now. Not right now. But they also couldn't if they tried. But they did lose Jeff Stoutland, their offensive line coach. Yeah. This is big news. This is actually under the radar very big news. And I feel like – Also, the quotes coming out of it were kind of alarming. Very, very damning piece of news for my guy, Sirianni, who just is the best coach, does everything well just you know the culture guy the glue of that whole team just kidding i think he does absolutely nothing he is jack of all trades master of nothing derogatory jackass of all trades yeah the jack of no trades master of none jackass of all trades so the jeff stoutland is the offensive line coach in eagle in for philly and you could argue that there's probably no more like under the radar assistant that's been more instrumental to a good run than jeff stoutland because the way that he designed the i mean put it jordan my lot as a left tackle for the eagles is probably a top five left tackle in the NFL. He literally had never played football before. Like they just took him in the seventh round or whatever. And they're like an Australian rugby player. Sorry, New Zealand. No, Australia. I always forget. But they're like, he's never played football. And they just taught him. He's a top five left tackle. And Jeff Stoutland's work with Jason Kelsey, a sixth rounder. Jason Kelsey is going to make the Hall of Fame now. And so the joke has been like, you know, there are certain companies that entire like, entire companies just rest on some random Excel file that if the person leaves and it just breaks, then like an entire company, like you won't be able to get like oil across countries and stuff. And like Jeff Stoutland's just like random Excel file that upholds the entire like Jenga block holding the entire Eagles team. You know, you should do alienate that. I know. So he left. And the fucking idiot. He's getting a little too big for his britches in my locker room. This ESPN article. You had one job, Sirianni. I was right. This ESPN article. And again, there's a lot of big Eagles involved with the Eagles. I won't name them. But like the idea that Jeff Stoutland said he no longer desired the title of run game coordinator because he felt it no longer fit his job description because Kevin Petulo, the office coordinator and Nick Sirianni were doing so much without him. They sideline him. Don't even call me run game coordinator. The dude from office space who's down in the basement. He's like, you took my stapler. Dude. Why would you do that? And it's digging your feet in, I feel like. You know when you know you're wrong in an argument and you just decide to double down? That's like significantly with the Eagles. Like 10 weeks in, they're like the worst fucking offense in the NFL. And instead of like admit they're wrong and bring in Stoutland and maybe try to bring things back, they just alienate him even more and kick him out. And so Jordan Mylod apparently when he found out was crying, like weeping. This is going to go horribly. Too many egos. Yeah. Not the Eagles. The egos. The Philadelphia egos. Philadelphia egos. Pride comes before the fall, Craig. That's actually the Philadelphia egos. Is that the expression? I'm writing that down. That's good. But yeah, so NFC East, no new quarterbacks. Pretty remarkable. When's the last time the NFC East didn't need a quarterback? Nice job. Honestly, it's probably been a while. I mean, going back and forth between Washington and New York. I know, that alone. NFC North, also pretty stable. Bears, Caleb Williams, do not need a quarterback. Packers, Jordan Love, do not need a quarterback. lions jared goff do not need a quarterback vikings i think this is an interesting one one of the weird ones in the league so they they just fired their gm in short because i think kevin o'connell wanted to keep kirk cousins and then they made him get rid of him so kirk cousins left they signed sam donald and then sam donald wins 14 games and then they let they let him go and they keep mccarthy and then sam donald wins the super bowl and they immediately fired the gm so i wonder who gets blamed for that so now you have jj mccarthy but to be honest spoiler here with the atlanta falcons where i think the atlanta falcons it seems are going to cut kirk cousins and i think kirk cousins just started to report that she had to report he's kirk cousins going to get cut and i think the falcons start michael pennix in week one but i think kirk cousins signs with the vikings and it's kirk and jj mccarthy in minnesota which is pretty nasty no that's good i mean how could they do better than that yeah but still kirk would at least bring Justin Jefferson back to life in fantasy. I don't know if they're going to win a ton of games, but it's still a low ceiling move. Sure. I don't think they can do better. I mean, they won the last four games for Atlanta. Well, it's also, there needs to be a, like, Kirk Cousins is going to be 38 when the season starts. But I will, the problem is, you can't bring in like a young project because that's already what JJ McCarty, I feel like you kind of can't bring in like Mac Jones. Cause it's like, Hey, you already have, just make it work with JJ McCarty. Kirk is in a different category. So you kind of can bring him I feel like it's a steady hand but I don't think that Kirk or that O'Connell and the Vikings can bring in somebody who's kind of an equal to J.J. McCarthy because that just doesn't make any sense yes yeah it's like well you gotta just make it work with the guy you spent the 12th pick on or whatever it was so I I do think they end up signing Kirk Cousins because again he was there for seven seasons and then he had his little sojourn leaving but I think that he's the best they're gonna get because he's old enough that he's not a threat to McCarthy but he's probably good enough that here's the truth they're so fucked because like if you bring in Kirk Cousins who's competent and you know will be solid. He's going to start. Well, I don't know. Or you probably start McCarthy and then it goes poorly and you're 2-5 and then you bench him and then it's like over for J.J. McCarthy. This feels to me like if you bring in Kirk Cousins, you're going to lose the team if you start J.J. McCarthy. Exactly. I completely agree. You think? Yes. There's no way McCarthy's better than Kirk Cousins. I think Justin Jefferson is going to start a mutiny if they bring in well yeah well you can get him justin jefferson to buy in he's the most important person he's the most important player in that organization i the problem is you get a mutiny if if they start like oh and three and it's mccarthy's fault then you're like because here's the thing the problem is this is why the gm got fired and frankly the vikings gym deserves to get fired because they were trying to do like two things they have a win now roster and they went all in on a rookie quarterback who barely played at michigan and barely to do anything and then came in and missed his whole rookie year and like they're like oh it wasn't good we have no backup plan and the irony is that the reason you have mccarthy is to fund having a quarterback like darnold and they're about to miss the whole window because they'll have to pay kirk to come in but um wikings winning the super bowl the year after they let him walk in free agency there's a reason he got fired the owners it's the same thing as why the why did the jets have to fire all these coaches i'm like well the something happened the ownership you get the quarterback man yeah so you really think that mccarthy will never start another game unless he's a backup and comes in no i think if kirk cousins gets signed by the vikings he will be the starter you agree with that yes man because i don't think you say that but the falcons finished 4-0 kirk isn't gonna sign somewhere without i'm not saying it's less about kirk's not good and more about it i can't believe it's over for jj like it's not over he just needs reps it's like darnold darnold was a backup for a year with the niners and he was like a backup like i think yeah i i I do think if the Vikings – has it been reported that they're going to or is this sort of – No, it's just – no. I think what you said is dead on, which is Kirk Cousins is not signing anywhere that he has to – He's not going to – He's going to be told he's going to start. I think he wants – yeah, that's what he wants. He wants to be a starter. It's all he's ever wanted. And I think he probably can get it. I don't know. But I will say, though, if they do sign Kirk Cousins in that specific scenario, I do think that's implicit admission that they are giving up, at least for the short term, on J.J. McCarthy. and like revisiting after he has another year of reps and practice no it's if kirk cousins gets hurt the guy coming in isn't just a backup it's he's the future of the team but it's also they have to try to make a run to win the super bowl because the window is old it's not already closed like they have a lot of like really talent like a lot of the talent of the vikings front it's like um you know i'll pull up the depth chart so these guys are all 30 or 31 i mean not only has jj mccarthy been bad he's been hurt a lot yeah it's both yeah you know what i mean you can't rely on him for the whole season. That's a great point, is that not only has JG McCarthy played terribly when healthy, but that he literally has four injuries in his second season. He's getting hurt every month. And he also missed his entire year. He missed his entire rookie year, too. So they have to have a good backup. It's such an awkward, terrible spot to be in. That's why the gym got fucking fired a month after the season ended. Yeah. McCarthy's going to be on a different team. Maybe. In the next year. No, there's no reason to give up on him. There's no reason to give up. There's a lot of reasons, too. They are giving up on him. They're not giving up on him. They're saying that we don't think he can lead us to a Super Bowl right now. Yeah, year three. But all right. I feel like Sam Darnold won the Super Bowl like 18 hours ago. I don't think you should give up on the young quarterback you drafted. Four teams gave up on Sam Darnold. Yeah, and they're all idiots. And the Jets fired their coaches three weeks after Darnold made this. All these teams are giving. I'm saying you keep McCarthy, but you also probably. He's clearly not ready to lead you there right now. So you bring in Kirk. It's semantics, but yes. But you let him learn the practice habits of Kirk Cousins. He doesn't know how to be or prepare as a starting quarterback. And you hope that if Kirk Cousins has a good year, McCarthy could take over in 2027. Yeah. You are giving up on him is crazy. Well, you're punting down the road. Yes. Kicking the can down the road. Yeah. But he clearly needs like he's not ready for this team. And the problem is they took a developmental quarterback with a win now timeline. And if you're going to do that, they had to keep Darnold. We're not really disagreeing. It's just the semantics of giving up versus taking it down the road. I mean, like if Kirk Cousins is healthy all year, we're going to be heading into year four with J.J. McCarthy, and he'll have barely played any football. Yeah, it's not ideal. But I think him playing this season and face-planning again is worse. You have to have another guy. I wonder. Or is it – or I don't know. I think it's really easy for when it's not your team to be like, yeah, if they start 0-4, like, oh, this season sucks. It's like no one wants to give up on their season. i think the other interesting good the variable with the vikings that makes this so interesting is the the respect and reputation that koc kevin o'connell has with quarterbacks yeah and making just like anybody really good in their offense so what he's done in the past and then jj mccarthy came in and was for the most part really bad he did have a couple moments but that's why i'm like are you is it weird to kind of like experiment with him and then it's not good enough and then you yank him and he sits for another year like what if they go 11 and 6 with kirk that's good you make the playoffs but then what do you do this is good but then what then if kirk cross that bridge when they get to it yeah then you figure it out later and you're like if kirk plays great bring him back and you're like basically what i'm saying is that's a good problem i just feel like there's very few scenarios here where jj mccarthy works out for the vikings because it's like if kirk is good jj mccarthy's not gonna play next year either and if jj mccarthy starts this year and he's terrible it's too early and he's not prepared so that sucks too so it's like well then what are you doing with him but that's why you need kirk cousins that's why you need another quarterback on this this time yeah it's tough they're in a terrible they're in a division with three good teams part of me is like you just play him this year and know if he's good or not lumps but that's the thing is i think that's the thing is is he good or not that's what i tried last year though i know but i think that's the difference i have is like oh is he good or not i don't think it's not that simple i think the darnold thing that's kind of the lesson to me is like it's not that simple is he good or not it's that people learn in different ways at different paces and And like the truth is McCarthy, I don't think is ready. Like, again, we got away from the point of what Kevin O'Connell had his issue with is they were talking about mechanical changes to his throwing motion during the season, which I don't think any of us had ever heard publicly discussed by a coach before. Josh Allen changed mechanics a ton, but it took him three years of playing. Do that on your own. Like he can't, we can't enter next year and looking at week one or training camp or preseason breaking down McCarthy's mechanics. like Justin Jefferson and this defense expected to win a Super Bowl. We can't be discussing whether J.J. McCarthy can literally hit a screen pass. That's not that's a non-starter. Literally. Yeah, it's a bad spot to be in. It is the worst. That's why J.C. I got fired. I mean, honestly, like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's maybe this is we'll figure out more as post as the offseason goes along. But like right now, I'm kind of after having this discussion, I'm kind of like they might just move on from him. Yeah. and like try and trade him with you know thinking he has value from the potential value that teams see in him i don't know but here's the but i know we're spending a lot of time on this but i think this is the most interesting team in the league that isn't in the super bowl because the best roster that doesn't have a quarterback they should be the seahawks the vikings defense there's a world where they could have been roughly they're not as talented but they could have been like this they won 14 games last year yeah they won they should be the seahawks that's how the vikings think of it and so it's like oh we'll do this it's like they're like no we have to go win a Super Bowl now and it's so painful and so the idea of like we'll give up on him okay cool so you've learned nothing from the Darnold thing because the reason you had Darnold was the Jets gave up on him instead of recognizing you should have kept them the whole time it's not always that simple but like I think with what we've learned since the answer is you bring in Kirk now and you see if McCarthy can develop and you spend more time with him anyway we can move on but this is this whole season is frankly the wake of what the Vikings did last year honestly yeah I just feel like they're in no man's and extending it. So that's the NFC North. They're the Vikings' only team. NFC South, we mentioned, again, I think the Falcons cut Kirk Cousins. Michael Penix is the week one starter. I mean, the Falcons are in a very similar situation, I feel like. Very similar. You give it one more year and hope to get a healthy Penix for 17 games. I got to tell you, I'm surprised. I know everyone, I'm probably the last. I was kind of saying I thought the Falcons would keep Kirk, and I'm the last person here. Everyone's like, oh, they're going to move on. I was like, I don't know. Because exactly what Dika just said. The Falcons and Vikings both took a guy in the 2024 draft that is not immediately a starter. We don't know if he's good enough or healthy. Michael Penix is getting another ACL reconstruction, which I believe is his third ACL injury. He's 25. He's barely played any pro football. And so they're going to go in week one. And I thought the new regime would say, we're not tied to this guy. We didn't draft him. Matt Ryan's running the team now. They have Kevin Stefanski as the head coach. I get why you'd bring in Penix week one because if he fails, it doesn't matter. but I will be honest I'm a little surprised they wouldn't want Kirk around but maybe it's just a weird dynamic and you want to flush it yeah but the probably also the money the money too but they have so much and that's true they probably have a lot of free agents they want to bring in for Stefanski that's actually you're probably right that's the answer but the Falcons are very similar in that they have a ton of young talent a lot of just straight first round picks starting with them on offense defense that I mean James Pierce the Falcons defensive end first who led them in sacks had a uh the details of a police report of an incident he was involved in last week are pretty horrific to read in the police report obviously we'll see what ends up happening with charges and anything but the falcons defense was playing a lot better last year the falcons are also a team in a winnable division that like i don't know pennix could very quickly be holding them back four weeks into the season yeah so that's a team that kind of might also and they don't have a first round pick and they don't have a first round pick the rams have it uh But Buccaneers don't need a quarterback. I don't care. Baker got hurt. What's Baker's contract situation? How long has he got there? He makes $40 million a year. Okay. And he's worth every penny. People can be like, what happened to the Bucs and Ibuka? And everyone got hurt at the same time. But Baker and Ibuka and Luke Goddike and the offensive line. No, it's not even a discussion. You're in a fine spot with Baker. The interesting thing, the Panthers. It's weird that none of these teams technically need a quarterback, but it's the worst version of that of all time. Exactly. They're all in, honestly, NFC South, they're all in no man's land. And Falcons are like, oh, we'll go with Penix. But that could literally be like – Penix could re-injure his knee in week one. And you're like, oh, he'll just never be a starter. Like the Buccaneers with Baker, like it's like if he gets hurt again. The Saints have Tyler Shuck, who again I think is absolutely good enough and deserves a starting – like a full season next year. But I do think the Saints trade Derek Carr somewhere. And then the Panthers are like – Bryce Young is exactly good enough. You cannot give up on him. And he's just enough star magic that he's recreated that they're going to exercise. They already, I think, exercise his fifth-year options. So they have two more years of Bryce Young, three if they tag him, and then more if they want to sign to an extension. But Bryce Young feels like the exact kind of player that you don't want to give. You're going to give Bryce Young $50 million a year. That's one of those, like, three years later, he's Tua. He's Kyler. I want out of this. He's not good enough for that. He's better than his rookie contract. He's not as good as the second. So he just seems like the classic version of that. But none of these guys are being replaced. The fifth-year option is $26.5 million. That's easy. That's fine. That's what Justin Fields made much good. You use every single second of those five years to determine if he's good before you extend him. Again, one of those, you say $25 million for a guy who isn't that good. You're like, what? But the answer is the salary cap is $300 million. So you have to remember. And the franchise tag is almost $50 million. Yeah. Yeah, it's like that's a 12th of it. If you can get a starting quarterback that's even average for a 12th of your budget, that's worth it. You can't do better than that. Weird division. NFC West. Niners do not. Brock Purdy now makes $50 million a year. And I saw Schefter said they plan on keeping Mac Jones, too. That's smart. I don't think – I don't think – Yeah, because especially with the injury situation, being by the electrical substation, you never know. Yeah. You need all the knees that you can get. More than any team, the Niners are very aware that they need a backup quarterback. Yeah. I think the Niners trading Mac Jones for anything less than like a top 40 pick would be a crazy mistake. It's kind of a bummer, though, because I want to see him start somewhere. Well, you will when Brock Purdy gets substations and then – Sure, sure. um nfc west oh yeah so the niners the rams do not so the matt stafford they're gonna also won the mvp i think they're in the market for a development guy though why because stafford's 38 sure i don't i mean obviously i think stafford's going to be their starter next year he announced that when he won the mvp award so that's kind of locked in but you know they there is still a team i think that could add a quarterback maybe even like a pretty decently like high profile quarterback i don't know well you know there's a you know that's saying like things are never as bad as they feel or never as good as they seem i think that's like pretty much a good nutshell of matt stafford's 12 months because 12 months ago we were watching the playoffs we're like this guy can barely move and then you're like a little and then sean mcveigh and the rams like very seriously considered moving on because they were having banged up he was trade discussion at the combine last year i haven't I thought the Giants were getting him. Well, here's the thing. Look, what happened exactly? That was a leverage play. It was a leverage play, but it was a leverage play because the Rams were trying to – I think what happened was the Rams were genuinely a little worried of seeing Matt Stafford move around the locker room. He's so banged up. They're like, we don't know if this guy can keep going. And they're like, oh, we'll just come back at a cheaper level. Stafford knew he had this season in him, and so he held out and was like, I can get paid anywhere. But the flip side is what we also just saw is I would say the best possible outcome of Matt Stafford's health in a season, and I know that because Troy Aikman said he told him. for that Falcons-Rams Monday football game. Trankman was like, Matt Stafford told me if you had told him in August that he would feel this good this late in the season, he's like, I would have thought you were full of shit. And so I don't know if we get another. So the Rams do need to eventually get another quarterback. But I don't know. The real news here is the Rams signed Cliff Kingsbury to be their offensive coordinator. That kind of flew under the radar during the Super Bowl week. That's why we do this episode. So, Craig, we have to ask you an important question, DK. Yeah. do you think that Sean McVay is going to get frame-mogged by Cliff Kingsbury? Height-mogged. Frame and height-mogged. I don't know about frame. I think McVay is pretty built. Sturdy. Yeah, he's ripped. No, let me tell you. You know what's going to be the real battle is – Come on, boys. That's not frame-mogged. That's height-mogged. You don't think it's – that's height and frame-mogged. Also, frame. Come on, dude. He's getting frame-mogged. No, I don't. Open your eyes. I don't think so. Frame is body. Those are their two faces. Well, Kingsbury is kind of thin. The real question is the house mog. Right. Who will have the cooler house? Oh, my God. Dude, Cliff Kingsbury's real estate. What house is Cliff Kingsbury going to have in L.A.? Yeah. They all live down south now, right? They all used to live in the valley, and now everyone moved down towards Inglewood. Cliff Kingsbury, there is no more Manhattan Beach human being on it. Oh, my God. Yeah. He will have the craziest bachelor pad. He's going to live on the beach. Yeah. For sure. He's just going to be at Simsies to shell back every night. Guaranteed. He'll probably wear the shellbacks hat on the field, on the sideline, which would be kind of sick. Do we like that hire? He's another. It's interesting that he was getting. Why did they get rid of him? He was getting a head coach. What? Who get rid of him? How did Washington get rid of him? I think it's. Artistic differences. Yeah. Just not a right fit. Because it's not like his play calling was bad. I think that everyone had to blame somebody, Craig. Well, no, I think everyone involved. Dan Quinn, it was him. Dan Quinn fired almost everybody, didn't he? I think everyone involved got tired of each other. It was him. He was there for two years. Yes, and so usually when things burn out that quickly, again, I think success always papers over creative differences. And we see that again. Like the Broncos and Bonex, I'm kind of convinced Sean Payton and Bonex kind of hate each other. They won 13 straight games. They lost one game, and it came out. They had such a great season last year. The fact that it could blow up so quickly I think suggests there's issues. and I keep thinking about two things. Cliff Kingsbury hasn't really kept any job that long other than the Cardinals was only like, what, three, four years? Cardinals was four years, but like even then it ended. The other thing I'd say is Washington, the reason Ben Johnson left and didn't take the Washington job, he said they were all basketball guys, which kind of got washed out under the Washington's first year success. But I do wonder about like Dan Quinn, that coach. I'm like, what is he? He brought excellent vibes to like change the taste and the malice of Washington fans post Dan Snyder. But realistically, I don't know if Dan Snyder is the coach of the future for Washington. Quinn, you mean? Yeah, sorry. Dan Snyder, definitely not the coach. Almost certainly not the coach of the future. But I do wonder about the ownership. Josh Harris, all these guys. Again, Adam Peters, the GM. He came from the 49ers. They have like Bob Myers, who was the Warriors GM. They're like telling him to run pick and rolls in Kingsbury. What? Just do a Euro step. He's like, kick the field goal. That's a three. It's not called the paint. It's called the end zone. I just think it's interesting that Kingsbury, He actually did interview for two head coaching jobs at least with the Ravens and Titans. And now he's taking a job with the Rams and he's not calling plays. So he went from potential head coach to a guy that comes and hangs out with Sean McVeigh. Isn't that a great call, though? Because everyone who works for Sean McVeigh gets hired. Yes, I think it's basically acknowledging that I wasn't going to get one of these jobs. But it's just kind of an interesting, not even lateral. He's taking a lesser job. I don't know. Michael Fleur just got the freaking head coach job for the Cardinals, and he also did not call plays. Yeah, I mean – No, I'm saying it's probably a good move for his career overall. Yeah. But it is – I think Cliff's a climber. It's like Mike McDaniel going to the Chargers. Like, you know what you're doing. It's a long term. No, that's a good comp. That's a good comp. McDaniel, though, I think is more love of the game because he's all – I'll be head coach this way, but also it'll be fun. God, that's the best one of all. Oh, where's his house going to be? Who He also McDaniel McDaniel but they won hang out McDaniel McDaniel and Cliff like won hang out I need to learn more about McDaniel now that he my coach Do you think he sneakily going to be on the east side It's like he's going to be a Silver Lake. I know. I don't know if he's Manhattan Beach. Manhattan Beach might be too sterile for him. Yeah. He would want to be Silver Lake, but I don't know the traffic. Maybe he'd like driving. I don't know. I could just see him having, like, a little shack up in Malibu and just living it up. Where's the Chargers practice? Is it at? It's by LAX. Yeah, it's down south. This is like everyone's favorite topic. I don't know L.A. well enough to have this conversation. Neither does anyone listening. Last team. Then you get on the 405. Get on San Vicente. What are you doing here? The last one here is the Arizona Cardinals, who have Kyler Murray in again. I think Kyler is super – Adam Schefter reported Kyler is super available. So he's out regardless, basically, even though they did this new hire. It seems that way because, again, when Jacoby Brissett took over, they were like, we love this guy. We can't believe his preparation. It's unbelievable. Michael Wilson's talking about how he sent me ways he wants routes to be run, which again is just more, I think, an indictment of Kyler than some amazing – Joe Gahobie Brissett went 1 in 10 as a starter. They loved him. That's an indictment. So that's a bad sign. So if you just look at the pieces that are available, let's just say for argument's sake that Tua gets cut and Kyler gets cut and then Kirk gets cut. This is a real you don't want to be out here. You don't want to be out here. So here's the thing. I kind of think this thing that makes the most sense – Kyler's a dolphin. Where else can he go? I was going to say, shouldn't Arizona and Miami just swap? Wife swap? Kyler goes to Miami and Tua goes to Arizona. Yeah, maybe. I mean, those are two guys who need to play in a domer in warm weather. Kyler cannot be on the Browns. Kyler cannot be on the Jets. It won't work. Right. So who else really is there? Miami? I do think that makes the most sense because if you look around, why would the – like Tua is not great, but I would take Tua over Derek Carr. Like I would say – So Miami's going to be like, hey, we'll pay $49 million of Tua's salary for Arizona to have Tua. And Arizona's like, we'll pay $49 million of Kyler's salary for you to have Kyler. Isn't that like an NBA thing where it's like two guys don't work? And we're like, oh, didn't Chris Paul get traded for Russell Westbrook once? It's like maybe a different set of problems will help it. You know what I mean? That is really funny. Yankee swap. Sometimes you want something different. Because other than that, I mean, what, Kirk Cousins could go to Arizona. But what does that do for them? I mean, maybe it's LeFleur. Like there's a whole like Shanahan-style system there that he could do. but I really do kind of wonder about just get Kurt get Tua for Kyler and then it's like Derek Carr can go to the Jets which is sad but actually it's probably best for the Jets the question is is Sam Darnold has presented honestly a lot of fun conversations over the next five months about what quarterback you would want to take a chance on I guess if we had to make like if Darnold is a 10 out of 10 on the on the reclamation scale who's a zero like is it like Josh Rosen is it Josh Rosen is, in fact, the zero. The zero, right? Which is great. Same draft. Yeah. So where on the scale do you think Kyler Murray is right now? I think he's closer to Darnold. I mean, he's definitely closer to Darnold than Josh Rosen, but is he like a five or a six, or is he like an eight or a nine? I was thinking like a six or a seven. It always comes up. I think he's a six. I think Kyler is probably like a six, because the questions with Kyler are questions about maturity, leadership, character, whatever, but also, So if he if you could somehow be convinced that actually Kyler has become like a great leader or whatever, you actually believe that he was. Then suddenly it's just he's still halfway to the problem is Kyler is a crazy athlete with a smaller frame. And as he loses athleticism, his inability to play from the pocket doesn't square like Darnold playing from the all these guys able to play under center drop back doesn't like work because they're able to do it. kyler still has enough athleticism and he's still that he could make shit work like he could go to the cults like he could do crazy stuff work and you need one good run i think he's a six and a half the question is like why are why is arizona so sick of him of like we don't want him around like that's the question but also that's like guys just need a change of scenery yeah man arizona like that's a it's also the team the franchise has lost faith in him and he's probably not feeling that franchise either how much do you think arizona is going to have to eat of his salary A tremendous amount. Tremendous. But they don't have any choice because the reason Arizona has to like genuinely like raise it to the ground and rebuild. Like there's no remodeling. You're literally in the Seahawks and Mike McDonald, who is the youngest coach in the NFL and the third youngest Super Bowl winner and the Super Bowl favorite. And then you have Sean McVay, who is somehow the third young or the fifth youngest coach and the second longest tenured coach and the Rams, who are the second Super Bowl favorite. And then the Niners and Kyle Shanahan are the third biggest Super Bowl favorite in your division. And the gap between those three and the Cardinals are probably about as big as maybe any divisions ever had entering a season. And they don't have a quarterback. And everyone else does. So you kind of – like the Cardinals, it's a total, total reset. Yeah, it is. It's going to be probably dark for a while before the sun comes up again. Is there a world – and I was just thinking about this. I mean obviously we're kind of assuming that Willis is going to end up in Miami. If that doesn't happen, Malik Willis, maybe the brother connection with Mike and Matt LaFleur. Oh, wow. That's a good call. Maybe he gets the stamp of approval from Michael Fleur. Matt LaFleur in Arizona. Wait, am I getting that right? Yeah, Matt LaFleur is in Green Bay. Michael Fleur is in Arizona now. Maybe he gets the brother stamp of approval. There's some sort of deal there. Not deal, but understanding. It's a phenomenal point for a lot of reasons. Malik Willis was drafted to Tennessee. Matt LaFleur came from Tennessee. Not at the same time. But you know the same people. You get a better read if you used to work there. It's getting the lowdown on how he practices, how he prepares, what he's like as a leader, things like that. Those are very important things. You stay in touch with the people from when you were there. So then he's clearly liked Malik Willis enough to sign him in Green Bay, and then every game he played, you're like, oh, this guy's way better than the third runner. And again, Malik Willis is faster than Lamar Jackson at this point, and he has a top eight or nine arm in the entire NFL. So that's actually a good point. It's probably Arizona or Miami for Malik Willis. And where does Willis – I don't know if he's a reclamation project really, but where does he stand on that scale? you just said well it's different because the garner scale is like a guy who had high expectations who flopped right and now needs to come back malik willis is never really malik willis's upside is i actually would compare him to like tony romo in that tony romo was an undrafted free agent who then just became like a beloved 12-year borderline hall of famer and i think malik willis malik willis similarly is like a guy that was like a project and just not a starting quarterback that the upside is like he's like an eight or nine you're like oh this is maybe you could win a super bowl like well the downside is the downside it's like justin feels last year where you're like six weeks in you're like this guy right shouldn't be playing but he's i think he's better than i do too it's tough how much shown more as a pastor than yes ever did yes it's tough how much you have to talk yourself into these things and when you kind of take a step back and look at it from 30 000 feet you realize man this is still pretty dire like the idea of it's like you're kind of talking ourselves into miami maybe going after kyler and like well you know they they're paying 49 million dollars to Tua who's gone but then maybe they only have to pay a small amount for Kyler so you're really just swapping out Tua for Kyler and paying the same amount of money which really doesn't sound that bad in theory all things considered and yet I think I think Kyler Murray's the last quarterback I'd want in the NFL right now even with Tua more than Tua well if you only have to pay I don't know because I wouldn't even Tua's not a starter to me i was gonna i was gonna say a mean thing right there but uh kyler is is the definition of no man's land to me he's gonna be 29 years old when the season starts he is he has the worst style frame for aging in the nfl at quarterback you have to pay him so much money i like this is the exact wrong time to buy in on him here's the other problem with kyler and it's weird because on one hand he's so talented and arizona's such a wasteland that it's not hard to imagine kyler are being better somewhere else but the problem is you also and the reason jacoby brissette came in and the cardinals offense instant like a trade mcbride had more touchdowns in like the first six weeks with jacoby brissette and three years to kyler murray and the problem is you need to be running an offense that lets you evaluate players and if you're not able to actually run a drop back offense you can't one evaluate your offensive line because kyler's not he's running all over and you guys can't hold blocks you can't evaluate your receivers because they're not in rhythm kyler's not running a rhythm offense so that you don't realize michael wilson's better than marvin Harrison and you didn't know that because Kyler wasn't playing in rhythm for seconds and you're like oh Michael Wilson's definitely better so if you're the Jets and you're bringing Kyler Murray believe it or not it might be better for the Jets to bring in Derek Carr not because their Jets could win a Super Bowl with Derek Carr next year but because the Jets might get a better season evaluating both your offensive tackles Garrett Wilson John Meschi like you're gonna get your better sense of your right everyone practice you have to give everything to Kyler Murray to make the offense work it has to be Kyler Murray's offense and it has to be completely designed around you have to do it just slot it has to be a coach that really believes do you think the seahawks could have won the super bowl just the game let's say they already made it there and you swap out sand arnold for geno smith yeah because their defense who's the worst quarterback that could have won that game currently in the nfl the worst could malik willis have won the game yes because you know what malik willis is good about he's all the physical tools but in green bay i think he was actually pretty good at protecting the football yeah he'll just like throw deep and run it yeah it's like the worst quarterback who wouldn't turn the ball like like j.g mccarthy He could not have won that game. No, no, no. That's a good question. He's the worst quarterback who could have won. Yeah, man. I actually think Kyler could have won. Darnold, I mean, again, it's going to go down as one of the best free agent signings of all time. One of the best decisions, like chain decisions or whatever for the Seahawks in terms of trading away Geno and signing Darnold. And they decided that. Wait, well, could they have won with Geno? We're saying yes? I think they could have won that game. I don't think they would have gotten to the Super Bowl. I think yes, because Darnold, again. Tua. I kind of think I kind of I don't know I think Tua throws a pick I think Tua turns the ball I think the way that the way that the all those throws in the beginning of the game that Darnold almost got picked the way the Patriots were pressuring and the way that Darnold was avoiding sacks in that game I don't think Tua cannot avoid the sacks anymore he can't move the same and also Darnold's arm strength is the reason he was intercepted what am I saying I'd rather have Kyler than Tua yes what am I saying I have a mean no I'm not going to say of a mean comment on the two of them go ahead the biggest question with kyler and to it for both of them is above the neck that's not that mean oh okay i mean you know but kyler's way more dynamic i mean to it does not have physical the two the part two that's undiscussed despite the concussions is the ankle and hip injuries have also sapped his mobility and his throwing power so he like like the reason we joke about his arm punts is that to it genuinely doesn't have the arm strength he did in college. Tua and Bama was... He had a fucking... He wasn't a cannon, but he had his spot. So much more juice. He can't throw the ball as well or avoid sacks. Yeah. Okay. I think that's enough on those guys. You guys want to talk about Patrick Mahomes more or what? I was just happy to have an argument about football. That was cool. That was nice. That was really... That was organic. That was an organic... Mahomes... We haven't had an organic... Mahomes literally tears ACL for seven organic Mahomes. When I start saying I feel like I'm crazy, that's when you know it's getting good. But I said at the beginning... leaning in on the seat. He asked, are you doubting Andy Reid? I don't want to talk about it anymore. Winter Olympics anything? The finger skating duo, the couple was incredible. They performed to Paint It Black. It was sick. This was crazy. I didn't watch it. You should watch it. It was amazing. Please email us at ringerfantasyfootball.gmail.com if you were to win a medal in the Winter Olympics or you would die, I want to know what's what ones you would pick it's curling everyone says also the curling apparently has been incredible really yeah that's what I've heard the figure skaters are Madison Chalk and Evan Bates they crushed the curlers are pretty good yeah all right non-curling sport I want to see if there's a case you have for something other than curling if you could win a medal um myathlon the is that where you ski and shoot I think so yes no that that's you gotta learn two things i think there are niche ones that you could try because you uh a couple emails we'll get out of here what if i'm just like one of the guys in the um bobslin that's there's a case there's a technical skill there but yeah if i'm one of the four and the other three are great because did you watch the american curlings you're like you couldn't have beaten these people they're fucking unbelievable they're psychopaths probably snowboarding have you seen some of the shit they do it's crazy dude i austin gale had not seen like sean white's gold medal half pipe routine and i'm like dude you only get to watch this for the first time once yeah he was did it or did any olympian olympian loom in your mind as large as like sean white like i feel like michael phelps is like i see his obvious i would say this was the big one i would say same bolt but fair oh yeah yeah but sean white was like way cooler than michael phelps uh yeah just like cool guy sean white was like man that's probably the coolest guy yeah i yeah i agree with that that he oh really i thought i think for our generation i think okay maybe i think michael phelps was he's cooler and more famous cooler yeah cooler certainly more famous i think the nature of snowboarding is just like more yeah it's like skateboarding it's like x games it's more like alternative cool than swimming yeah snowboarding is like probably the coolest thing you could do yeah yeah but phelps is the most decorated olympian of all time no of course that's pretty cool but the process of that is yes swim for 16 hours a day like is clayton kershaw cool no but is he a fucking incredible pitcher yes madison bumgarner he's cool i guess if you're breaking down the definition of cool i think yes sean white's probably cooler but like is patrick mahomes cool oh that's a great yeah yeah i think he has to be i would yeah but I think he's pretty cool. He's not as cool as Joe Burrow. No, but we're talking about when we were 14. No, but here's the thing. No. When we were 14, Mahomes is not cooler than Joe Burrow. You say that. How many people are modeling their game after Mahomes versus Joe Burrow? Joe Burrow hasn't made the playoffs in three years. Yeah, but that's exactly what I'm saying. That's not what it's about. But Sean White did have to win like six gold medals to be in the conversation. Can you name another snowboarder from 20 years ago? No. But being cool, you have to be good. There's a baseline of good. You have to be. but once you're above it anyone can be the coolest tell dylan raiola that mahomes isn't cool he's a good example of why mahomes is not cool um okay a couple of homes is cooler than burrow i think that everyone's holding on to this burrow from like you guys look at me for lamar i'm like i think burrow a few years ago as a conversation they haven't made the playoffs in three years well what i'm talking about cool not good i think he got like josh allen cooler than mahomes yeah i think burrow's gotten pretty angsty turned 30 and he freaked out he started talking existentially dude they read a real burrow joe burrow quote he's marching 30 yeah he's 29 well sorry he get a press conference about turning 30 okay he turns 30 in a year okay so he talked about it oh no sorry no you're right you're around it's over the all right yeah i confused myself because over a year from now we'll know how when he's going to be 30 it's like the sun he turned 29 and he literally started it with i'm almost 30 and and i got confused but on his 20th birthday he gave a press conference but they read the quotes to jimmar chase who has known him for what like eight years okay and they were like and he was like he didn't say that they're like he did he's like did he really man i should talk to him more like joe burr i think he's like it's a little more angsty so what what is what has patrick mahomes done that you think is cool like from a personality standpoint winning uh it was probably winning obviously winning three straight super bowls while his best friend dates taylor swift and i don't know like i feel like this is like because travis kelsey dates taylor swift why is that he's cool he's cool because he's he's in travis kelsey's crew carlos can you be famous can you just pick up everything craig said about why they think he'd win the super bowl next year and just drop it here you're like why is he cool it's good we're not talking about winning but it is winning no no he was the key to all the winning he was you guys shot me down because i said he fucking phelps was the most decorated at Olympian. Yeah. It's not about winning. It's not just winning. It's because he literally came his first season. Shea Gilgis-Alexander is not cooler than Anthony Edwards just because he's better. Anthony Edwards is cooler than Shea. Do you forget the first four years? It's the same thing. His first season started. He was the third player to have 50 touchdown passes. I don't understand what's happening. He's not hearing you at all. He's not hearing me at all. The way he plays is cool. Am I crazy? The way he plays is cool. I agree with that. The way he plays is cool. His style is cool. But the accomplishments at a certain point don't. I'm taking that away. That's the whole point. there's a threshold of good you have to be burrow and josh allen and lamar and homes are all already in that tier and then now it becomes an even battle of who's coolest from an intangibles perspective drinks coors light and plays golf and joe burrow does his crystals for it to heal his foot i'm like what is i guess i can't he's like conrad that's fair i'm not even i feel crazy the beginning of this was you making fun of my homes i can't think of a single cool thing patrick my homes is and i'm not disparaging my homes i love the field or off the field off the field okay but What is cool about Mahomes? As like a personality, an athlete. But the way he's on the field is incredible. The way he plays is cool. Cooler than Joe Burrow. His play style is cooler than Joe Burrow. I would agree with that. But as a personality, who's cooler? I'm saying in the last two years, I think Joe Burrow's gone down. Who's cooler? Answer my question. Patrick Mahomes. Because the more we've learned about – We've got to go. The more we've learned about Burrow the last two years, the less cool he's got. Tell me something about Patrick Mahomes' personality. What's a quote that sticks in your mind? What's a funny moment? I like that he genuinely has a sponsorship with Coors Light because even though he's like a fucking going to be a billionaire, he's like, I just drink fucking Coors Light. A brand deal with a major beer. I don't even know what happened. We should pivot. Okay, let's do a chaser here. It's from Zeke. Zebone. He's talking about the fray moggy and everything. I heard you guys needed a teenager and he writes igy which i assume means i got you okay breakfast was uh a blue red bull a bag of doritos and a twix yeah he's he's twix zeke writes i've definitely heard of people breaking their jaw to regrow it what i've never in my life heard of moids or foids or jester gooning or munting or smb he writes i'm employed however uh he says i have no doubts that there are some gooners out there who are tapped in with the clavicular lore by the way if y'all haven't investigated italian brain rot you should probably investigate italian brain rot especially bur bur pat the team and bombardino crocodilo whoa we're wandering down a dark road investigate italian brain rot the fact that he was like i don't know what all this frame mogging means but i do know friends who know friends who broke their jaws for a job austin just texted italian brain rot is s tier italian brain rot the fuck is that you i looked it up and now you get to look up italian brain rot i mean do you want me to dive in right now well it's songs i don't think you can play unfortunately give me give me some context of what you'll have to it's just like edm songs to it's almost like if it's like burr burr was like an edm song that we can't do now i dude i can't explain it okay just look up crocodilo barbers jenzy uses the term brain rot a lot that's like it's like a red flag it's like a thing that they say an app you can use to to like prevent how much you use your phone brain rot yeah yeah isn't it right that's an app that like locks your phone after a certain amount it's probably good yeah okay uh shout out to zeke and his blue red bull austin says that it's ai generated characters speaking fake italian in many short form movies that is a really good subscription that's a good description ai generated animals speak characters no they're not even fake italian characters yeah many short form movies okay Craig is dying over here. It's like AI trying to make up Italian. Okay. I don't think I want to dig into this. I think I do. We'll grind the tape and we'll get back. All right. Okay. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, everyone who's been with us on this journey. Thank you, Patrick Mahomes. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you. Are you dying? Bless America. I'm trying to get out of this goddamn episode. I've been going to let me leave. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Abu. Thank you, everybody. thank you lord lauren thank you somber hell yeah that's how you pronounce it it is cool now i feel like i'm losing it didn't we do them a week ago or do you just no you just told me about them a week ago i texted him to i told him to thank somber but would you not have you would have remembered oh you told me about somber yeah i love that song 12 to 12 banger it sounds like a like a old school 80s pop song it's great like why are we talking yeah oh he was at the grammys uh yeah Okay. They were at the Grammys? He's just one guy, but yeah. Oh, okay. He looks like he's in Stranger Things. Dude, he's the one who wore the disco ball. Oh, I don't know if I saw that. Dude, this guy looks like he's on – he's like Emmanuel Forbes. Yeah, very tall and thin. Kind of like Finn Wolfhard frame. That's why I'm – Dude, yeah. Yep, I can see it. Yeah, 12 to 12, though. Great song. 12 to 12, okay. Yeah. This guy – You've probably heard it. It's on the league. This guy looks like he's been – what is it? Bone smashing his jaw? Yeah, he's definitely been – he's frame-mogging because he was all the bone smashing. Look up his Grammys outfit. He needs to add a little beef. Yeah, he does. He's tall. He's height-mogging. No, it's true. He's young. He's like 20. Somber. Just like clavicular. He does look a little somber in all these pictures. Yeah. His jawline is actually crazy. It is. When you have the sunken in cheek and the mandible, whatever that is, pops out. He's mewing. Yeah. It's a natural mew, it looks like. Yeah, the natural mew. This guy just looks like he was born to be a rock star. All right, I'll check it out. Yeah, 12 to 12. Okay. That's good. If you like 80s, you like the 80s music. Yeah, I love 80s music. Some people don't like it. Some people think it's trash, not me. I'm glad it's back, honestly. Yeah, me too. I feel like you like 70s music. I like 60s, 70s, 80s. BG's, ABBA. Yeah, that's like late 70s into early 80s. Yeah, but when you think about the 80s, it's like synth heavy. Yeah, like Journey and shit like that too. I think of the 80s, I think of the hair. Stadium rock, yeah, yeah. alright goodbye everyone