The Besties

What Even Is a Video Game?! (Grab Bag!)

72 min
Nov 7, 20255 months ago
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Summary

The Besties discuss a grab bag of games including Sayonara Wild Hearts, Power Wash Simulator 2, Strange Jigsaws, Road to Empress, Mortal Kombat Collection, and Nésses. The hosts debate game design philosophy, time mechanics in detective games, and whether simulators constitute meaningful gameplay experiences.

Insights
  • Time pressure mechanics in narrative games create tension but can penalize thorough investigation, creating friction between player agency and game design intent
  • Simulator games serve legitimate psychological functions as low-stress engagement tools, comparable to jigsaw puzzles or meditation rather than traditional gameplay
  • Detective games struggle to balance deduction difficulty with accessibility; providing too many clues eliminates the satisfaction of genuine puzzle-solving
  • Early access games can significantly improve their onboarding and core loop between early access and 1.0 launch, making second chances worthwhile
  • Established franchises like Pokémon face a paradox: investing more resources risks alienating core fans while maintaining status quo disappoints them equally
Trends
Narrative-driven games increasingly use branching story maps and rewind mechanics to reduce failure state friction and encourage experimentationCozy/low-stress gameplay genres (power washing, puzzle games) gaining mainstream acceptance as legitimate gaming experiences beyond hardcore audiencesFMV and interactive film games improving production quality and narrative pacing to justify interactive medium over passive viewingSettlement management mechanics becoming standard quality-of-life features in survival crafting games rather than optional complexityHistorical documentary integration within game collections as preservation and educational content strategy for legacy franchisesController support becoming table stakes for PC indie games rather than mouse-keyboard-only designImmersive theater experiences evolving to compete with streaming entertainment through hyper-personalized, intimate performance deliveryAsian reality competition shows gaining international streaming prominence with high production values and novel athletic formatsFantasy worldbuilding increasingly focused on functional, morally defensible institutions rather than traditional corrupt empire tropesGame design philosophy debate shifting toward accessibility and player agency over mechanical purity and difficulty gatekeeping
Topics
Detective Game Design and Deduction MechanicsTime Pressure Systems in Narrative GamesSimulator Games as Wellness and Relaxation ToolsFMV and Interactive Film Production QualitySettlement Management in Survival Crafting GamesCozy Gaming Genre LegitimacyGame Onboarding and Tutorial DesignBranching Narrative and Player Choice SystemsHistorical Game Preservation and DocumentationController Support Implementation StandardsPokémon Franchise Design Philosophy and Fan ExpectationsImmersive Theater and Experiential EntertainmentAsian Reality Competition Show Format InnovationFantasy Empire Worldbuilding and Institutional DesignGame Difficulty and Accessibility Balance
Companies
Raw Fury
Publisher of Sayonara Wild Hearts, a narrative deduction game set in an Irish manor
Netflix
Distributes Physical 100 and Physical Asia, Korean reality competition shows featuring athletic competitions
Nintendo
Publisher of Pokémon games; discussed regarding franchise investment strategy and game design philosophy
Game Freak
Developer of Pokémon games; criticized for perceived lack of ambition and polish in recent releases
Obsidian Entertainment
Developer of Outer Worlds 2; discussed regarding RPG mechanics and game length sustainability
Steam
Platform where multiple discussed games are available; referenced for sales charts and game distribution
People
Griffin McElroy
Co-host who played Sayonara Wild Hearts and discussed Pokémon game design philosophy
Christopher Thomas Plant
Co-host who discussed Power Wash Simulator 2 and Mortal Kombat Collection extensively
Ross Froschwick
Co-host who discussed Nésses, Road to Empress, and provided honorable mentions
Robert Jackson Bennett
Fantasy author of The Tainted Cup and A Drop of Corruption series; praised for mystery and worldbuilding
Joe Hill
Horror author and son of Stephen King; discussed for King Sorrow novel spanning decades
Mike Drucker
Featured in Mortal Kombat Collection documentaries discussing franchise history
Jeff Gershman
Featured in Mortal Kombat Collection documentaries discussing franchise history
Quotes
"I think it's a fucking banger"
Griffin McElroySayonara Wild Hearts discussion
"It's very difficult for me to explain for those that haven't gotten into this game why it feels so satisfying but it is just like dopamine hit to the direct dome"
Christopher Thomas PlantPower Wash Simulator 2 discussion
"I don't want to be on your team for this one"
Ross FroschwickPower Wash Simulator debate
"How many times can they get away with putting out this kind of unambitious game that clearly parts of it are just not there"
Griffin McElroyPokémon discussion
"It feels like they have mathematically figured out the exact dollar amount to invest in these games where they still sell really fucking well and no more than that"
Ross FroschwickPokémon franchise analysis
Full Transcript
Anything moment on me is gonna make you egg steams are Is that a question for me no dude, it's a question for Griffin cuz I'm an idiot Cuz I'm a cuz you've known me for you've known me 20 years and I'm a huge idiot Yeah, who always says the wrong stupidest thing to the war at the worst times while it's me recorded Cuz he's a fucking cloud Yes, it was to you Russ cuz you love the steam from eggs pervert So this past Halloween I was hanging out with clock tower scissor man Yeah, that was us that was before the cold open What Griffin just did was the beginning of the cold open before that was the coldest open Strong it's a strong premise. What's up with clock tower scissor man. What are you talking about? No one knows Huh, I don't know you're talking about clock tower game. I know there's a game called clock tower Yeah, scissor man on the front cover. He's a bad guy from clock tower He's got a big pair of scissors and chase you around like yeah, you know what's terrible to fix the clock is scissors You what do you why yeah, that's why I when I hung out with him. He's fucking bummed out Did he talk about maybe he brought the wrong tool for the job? Maybe I gotta go take a big doll god damn it. We need to find a way to not integrate poop as a Staple of the introduction to the ship is a staple. No, I kind of feels like it but maybe shouldn't I Know the best game of the week. My name is Griffin McRoy. I know the best game of the week My name is Christopher Thomas plant and I know how this cold open works. My name is Ross Froschwick I know the best game of the week Welcome to the besties we're talking about the latest and greatest in home interactive entertainment It's a video game club and just by listening you my friend have become a member this week on the video game club Come on grab back a potpourri as we invented the term Chris plant. What is potpourri? Potpourri often found in the bathroom can be so many other things a collection a mishmash a collage of wonderful treats and this week that potpourri or potpourri Includes a sands of Blake manner power simulator two in so many other wonderful games Including road to Empress book one. I should have mentioned that up top Yeah, but now they're all been mentioned. There's nothing else So we've really covered the whole gamut and when we write back to talk about that right after this I Feel like the biggest one we have a lot of big games to talk about but I feel like the biggest one just from a buzz standpoint these days Hmm is a little game called say on to Blake matter. It's the same odds of Blake I the article can shift I think based on the user's preference, but it is I like of love is strong for me Yeah, I'm Extremely into say on to Blake man. I actually I was extremely into it. I finished it this morning and I am the world's greatest detective and I think it's a I think it's a fucking banger So for people who are only vaguely familiar with this you might see a trailer for it and think I remember that blue prints Published by raw fury you go into a big mansion has that general look Totally different game. This is a it's a narrative game a deduction game Kind of in the style of golden idol where you're piecing together the words and clues that you collect But unlike golden idol you are walking around this beautiful manner Meeting all sorts of characters a lot a lot of guess a lot of yours You're you're pulling a guess who where you're figuring out who isn't the Evil one the the target the Copret narrowing it down piece by piece over the course of these hour-long chunks of a weekend. That's the I the time table thing is interesting to me because I see that and it was Pretty quickly sort of a turnoff the idea is as you do things in the manner as you are solving the Disappearance of a woman named Evelyn Dean In the days leading up to this big seance event That has brought everybody to this to this manner in the Irish countryside in you know around of the the turn of the 20th century Or wait 19th century one of those centuries Every time you do something it takes a minute and You have only a certain amount of time to solve the mystery and also people move around the manner every hour The whole house changes sometimes there's events sometimes people are doing speeches Sometimes you need to go in someone's room, but you can't do that because they're fucking in there And so like I don't know that that whole system kind of stressed me out at first But as I got a little bit further into the game And I sort of started to learn like what was stuff I was wasting my time on and what was like actually helping me Get through the cases. I I started to kind of appreciate it for what it was Which is like the only kind of like tension that they can apply to this this style of detective So can you I guess whenever I hear like a time mechanic? Yeah using time and time is running out What happens if you do run out of time? Over yeah, I mean there's fail states in the game, which is really interesting You can hit one pretty much instantly and I find it really funny that they sort of allow you to do that like if you go in someone's room and they're in there they're like Hey, what the fuck they call the hotel manager you get kicked out of the hotel game over so like there are There are definitely like an escalation you could just knock I mean yeah, I've gone in rooms with people before it's what the game have Yeah, well strangers Probably invited though What's really great is how they kind of Have mechanics to sort of make all this stuff work each character has their own mystery that you have to like get into and solve In addition to these other bigger supernatural mysteries happening around the house and you have this like Wild huge web like connecting every little piece and every little detail that you have and sometimes like you're The detective will have thoughts like I should go focus on this for a while So like there's definitely There's a lot of breadcrumbs that the game leaves you to make sure that you are not going to you know completely blow it Which I I very much appreciated but also did take away a little bit from the Actual deduction side of things I think they unroll a lot of tools And I got overwhelmed by them and I think the thing that I Tell me this is is correct because obviously you played a lot more I mistook a lot of those as like more mechanical than supportive and a lot of it seems more like Supportive rather than additional mechanics that you have to engage with a lot of it's like mechanics to help you keep track of information Rather than things you have to kind of like worry about too much if you don't feel compelled to yeah No, it is a bit muddy like what what? What clues do what the system that Chris was talking about with the like golden idle style like fill in the blanks The words you use are the clues that you found by talking to other people when you talk to someone you get a list of basically You ask them about most of the pieces of evidence that you have or you can ask them about anybody else in the house It'll cost you a minute right and so you want to be smart about like what you're doing But sometimes you'll get like a clue that will then provide you a word that you can use in the fill in the blank mystery sometimes it'll just be like hey, there's this new topic you can go look up at the library and Maybe that'll get you something maybe that doesn't it kind of but then the tools that you're like saying are like you can set Reminders on the timetable of like oh this character is gonna be at this place at this time and then when the clock changes to that next hour It'll say like hey, don't forget you're supposed to go to the stables to meet with So and so yeah, that is cool. I like that it is cool. It's they do give you a lot of tools, but I It is such a different game from blueprints. I think it's a wildly different game completely Yeah, other than just that very superficial look yet I think it has one of the toughest on boardings of A game that I've loved in a long time and I'm glad I stuck with it because it Hammers you not just with all these systems where it's like here is a map of this world that you haven't fully explored Here is a list of tons and tons of people who many of whom you haven't even oh my god That part's exhausting. Yeah, the opening I said I almost closed the computer because I had like lured her into this and she looked at she kind of gave me a look like 3 4's the way through the character list, which is Very not well handled. It's just a look. It's like a laundry list of everybody there and it's so Overwhelming it's and it's kind of panic inducing like oh my god. Should I be remembering all of this? This is an insane amount of exposition and this all the mechanics that you're also dumping on me Absolutely You get that web and when you get the web But you realize that there are a certain number of things to learn about each character So it might have like a number next to them like 22 things that you need to learn about them So you see that big list you see the big web you see all of that and then when you start talking to people It feels at first like almost impossible because you can bring up pretty much anything When you are talking to someone you can you'll see all the things that you have uncovered You'll see all the other characters and you'll be able to analyze their clothes and Find additional clues and bring up that it allows for so much But well and one other I guess Hard part is you are hitting these fail states It wants you early on to feel the pressure of this timetable in a way that it doesn't I find later in the game I guess what can you just clarify? What happens when you hit the fit like Actually what the timetable is actually doing is they're early in the game There'll be a thing like I need this mystery solved by the end of the hour This okay this one part of the mystery and if you don't do that by the end of the hour You will game over and it will revert to an auto save with about 15 minutes left One thing to bring up when you do load it lets you either load a save that you had or Scour back to a time point of auto saves that it has made so it is it is not hard to do that I After the point that Chris is describing It's way way way lighter touch on that stuff and for what it's worth I finished the whole thing and all of the mysteries and stuff and had like a good Four hours or so left to spare and that is like you know 240 actions that like a speed ran Yeah, what it's teaching you with the game over ends up being helpful, which is it? It wants you to not get too distracted There are so many things in the manner that you could be doing that the game could become unwieldy very quickly Yeah, what it's teaching you is to pursue a mystery in a chunk to like right be focused on a Thing and then you can you know get a little distracted towards the end of your hour if you have extra time But it's showing you like don't do the thing that you will be tempted to do in so many open world games Which is we'll just go talk to everybody now It's like decide what's the next thing that you want to solve and work towards that and once I feel like the solve in Other games for this sort of problem is to like start with a very narrow Yeah, challenge and then widen out from there like Oprah Dan obviously is a good example This where it's like a very specific narrow window So they have some they have some ways of guard railing you a little bit like there's a luncheon On the second day and if you go to attend the lunch You'll sit down at a table with these two characters and you'll start to unpack their thing And they're actually pretty good characters to start with because they branch out into other things. What were you gonna say juice? I I Think at a certain point is just the kind of person you are But it's it's it's rough for me to play a game like this and feel like Every time I do any investigation. I'm spending a currency. Yeah, and then and it feels bad I think it feels bad because I want to be Thoreau and like if you think about like detective and observation stuff in general a lot of it is about like Looking closer at things and like giving things a second look like and and and I feel like if your game is about detection It's weird to penalize For like being thorough in your investigation that and and to me It's like this. It's it's a it limits the pleasure of playing the game because I feel like every single Like thing that I look at I'm having to make this value judgment on whether or not it is worth pressing the investigate button And a lot of the times it's like it just isn't and it just was a waste, you know what I mean? So it's like a weird that's more my brain, but it is like it's tough for me to get past it that makes perfect sense for Me I'm curious if you had the same experience Griffin similar to like other games where you get more powerful. I Felt like I was less worried about time as the game progressed because I was getting better at playing the game And I had more and more mysteries solved there was a probably a mid-game mystery that I solved very early ahead Yeah ahead of a schedule and then it freed up my time for large chunks of the game because an entire chunk was already off the table I have yeah figured it out. So I didn't need to ask a bunch of questions Yeah, but the time thing I think is such a is such a it's a mixed bag I think you got to have some I understand from a mechanical design standpoint. You got to have some sort of pressure or some sort of You know thing that you can do poorly so that when you do it correctly it feels good that's like basic sort of gaming design shit and I This is their solve for it The truth is that I think you have way more time than you need and if you blow a few minutes here and there like inspecting some towels Like it feels bad, but it's like those towels eventually like I honestly how I felt when I finished it is like There are actually a lot of guardrails on this thing. There's a lot of breadcrumbs There's a lot of ways that like I will be talking to someone and they will just mention something off the top of their head or The detective will have a thought that will lead me in the right direction And it would be pretty hard for me to like really really fuck this up But like if that's the case then you know why do the the time the timing thing sort of at all Why not handle it in sort of a different way? I might my bigger issue with the game was the the lack of real sort of like deduction that it requires because a lot of it is Like finding all the clues for this character like Russ said there's 22 clues for this character. Fuck yeah I'm gonna find them all I find them all and then it's like okay now piece together the thing He blanked his blank so that he could blank his blank And it's like that's four things that like I can kind of go through and trial and error just kind of like drop drop those It doesn't feel like aha. I've solved it when you don't even have to trial and error by the time you have the 22 clues It's yeah, and like this I do I do and I want to finish the thought I do think it's cool. This is a huge fucking game It's a huge detective story with like a bunch of interlocking parts I guess really impressive the way this thing hangs together And I really did enjoy my time with it the vibe the story the writing all the Irish mythology was like shit I'm learning about is very very very cool. It just wasn't like I don't know I Didn't have to use my brain a ton in the way that I did with over dinner blueprints or even golden idle some of the time So if it had more of a sort of visual novel kind of vibe for me Yeah, the atmosphere is very cool all the accents are lovely like it is it is set in like a place in Ireland That's not like represented in games a lot. So it's kind of cool. Yeah Sure, yeah, what else I'll talk about I think a good segue power wash simulator to Yeah I think everyone's demanding like I mean People yeah for sure kind of kind of yeah, I just I want to know what limits they were running up against where the fans were like We need this and they were like the engine Will not as we've said we would require a server wipe of power wash one to give you all the fidelity you create Yeah So they added my save carries over they added a hub world So you you can earn like furniture, but you got to clean the furniture in your hub world There are actual so there's some of the differences are like as you'd expect Visual improvements like the water effects and things like that look nicer There are actually gameplay improvements that I found personally very smart. So in the first game Sounds so so what you say in the first game soap is a big deal You have to buy soap with the money that you earn and it's consumable So if you buy a bunch of wood soap and you use it up You have to buy more to use more wood soap and soap makes you more effective at the cleaning of the thing They've changed it wisely And now soap is no longer a material specific. So you don't have to buy wood soap or whatever plastic soap whatever the fuck They also set it so that it's just a on a cool down thing. So If you use a bunch of soap, you just have to wait whatever 10 minutes and it comes back And while you're doing that obviously you can just be cleaning normally with your normal powers and things like that It's very difficult for me to explain for those that haven't gotten into this game why it feels so satisfying but it is just like dopamine hit To the direct dome in ways that like I think are not necessarily maybe the most healthy Just because it's like so simple, but I do find it very Personally rewarding. I would also add it's actually a good hangout game. The whole game can play be played in co-op and I think that experience is actually the best because Because it's so low in like does not require a lot of coordination obviously You can just sort of like chat and give it gives you something to do with your hands while you're doing it So yeah, I thought that was really nice. I like that this games out there I love it makes me feel good every time I see this show up on On the old steam charts. I think I mean what not me. No you want these people out there actually power washing I mean, I would love I don't want that. I don't want them to you need I'm telling them that they're going to play this game For a while they won't have a clean house to look at they'll feel bad If you go out with a real power washer and you power wash your shit, you'll feel good I don't have justin. I don't have the luxury. What am I how? New York City is our watching you could clean in your home that would make you feel productive I promise you think about what you just said picture well in his apartment Yeah, I'm gonna have a power washer. It could be in use me clean in general Yeah, just being productive wash it freaks me out. It's crazy. This is not a game This is the simulator though, right? We're not just simulators. Hold on one second. It's not just the simulators It's fucking fortnight is the same thing like a gun game where you shoot people with guns. That's real rust That's real. Okay, but that is as much of a fantasy to me as power wash simulator is because I'm not gonna fucking use it power Video games. Oh, yes People use it as a wind down tool and you could you could accuse this claim of all videos Like just Griffin solved of crime in a mansion and he felt good about himself He could have been about our baking and learning about Irish mythology Griffin learned about Irish mythology Griffin engaged parts of his brain that required deduction. You sprayed water to pretend house. I'm sorry Russ Griffin punched dirt as a monkey. I I love you. You're my brother and all that stuff But I don't want to be on your team for this one I'm just saying I'll usually I'll like definitely but right or die But I think it's I think that's great. I think it's the same as doing a jigsaw puzzle I hey listen, do you want me to start on jigsaw puzzles? Well, you better because I have another game to talk about called strange jigsaws Get ready good for your brain. That's good for your brain your problem solving Problem solving power simulator. There's problem solving in power. I'm not look. I'm not saying it's the headiest game imaginable But I think at the end of a long day you could drink a glass of whiskey or you could power wash some shit Probably better to power wash some shit. There's only two options There's the only two options to one of our sit by yourself and drink in silence Truly truly one of our most unhinged discussions Should we take a break and come back and talk about some other We do how we do have jigsaws to talk about after the hell we was not kidding Okay, you talk about road to Empress We found out I want to hear about strange jigsaws. There's a perfect segue. What is so strange about these jigsaw? These are fucking strange jigsaws I think you've seen some weird jigsaws in the past Really struggled to describe this game and I'm gonna do my best strange jigsaws uses the premise of jigsaw puzzles but Approaches them in very different ways. It's a bunch of mini puzzle challenges The example that jumps in my mind is the easiest to explain. So you're presented with a jigsaw puzzle There are four missing pieces for those four missing pieces. You have four pieces from other jigsaw puzzles So not the puzzle that you're currently doing those pieces are from other jigsaw puzzles But you can paint the pieces such that they end up fitting in this puzzle You understand yes, so you're trying to basically recreate pieces that you're currently missing from the existing puzzle In another jigsaw puzzle, you're trying to build hamburgers Using like logic stuff like the meat can't be next to the lettuce and the bubba bug can't be next to that So it's really just like using jigsaws as a platform for Like fun logic puzzles. Is it like narratively connected or no like more like you saw this one do the next one There's like an overarching like you're using a computer, but it's very light narratively speaking It's like you're just trying to unlock more of these puzzles essentially. It's Very light, but if you like problem-solving games This is like there's a ton of like really interesting Approaches like all the mechanics are being rolled out over time or do you kind of have all the things at the beginning? It's like a so when you start that you're presented you've got like a starting puzzle It's relatively simple and then you you're given like four different puzzle options But each of the puzzles use completely different mechanics like every single one is its own very contained Mechanic so It's not really a rollout as much as it is like hey, I get to do more puzzles In the way that like professor Layton always has like different me now puzzle mechanics to it. Mm-hmm one of them you're using The puzzle has gravity to it So you're having to like build the jigsaw puzzle while like certain pieces are falling down to the bottom So you have to figure out ways to like prop up the puzzle to hold it up and clip things in I love that shit on survivor. Yeah, they're like build this tower puzzle and they start from the top It's like come on guys. So yeah, I thought I mean I found my I felt a little dumb because there were definitely puzzles I got kind of stumped on and frustrated a little bit But it didn't feel like it was because the puzzles were poorly designed. It just felt like my brain isn't quite there yet But I found it really good. Rose. What? That doesn't mean you're dumb. I do want to also mention Skill you're not dumb. Maybe it's super smart guy. Maybe all that power wash time I spent that mysterious I might be a now a dullard because of the power watching the other thing I want to mention better colorblind settings than Blue prints in so far as they exist. So yeah, well done still kind of wild that that's yeah It's so hard. I've it's got to be so hard Play it it's fine. I just don't play it. Yeah, no, I'm saying it's I Try to think about it sometimes. This is a thought experiment. It's weird. Oh, how to do it just blue prints I don't I genuinely unless it was a different game. I don't know how they do it I here's what how I would do it as a true game designer that has made a lot of games and knows how to make games Right, sure the best of them is I have an app on my phone that I can point at things and they tell me what color the things are So Theoretically that same logic could apply maybe to whatever you're pointing at some ask man I don't know. This is on the frostbite engineer. Sure. I'm sure I This thing's pushing so many polygons for us I I use that app all the time when I'm closed shopping So I have to ask people would cover I hear about road to Empress now. Okay. Sure. Yeah, if you want I do Road to Empress is I gave a pretend pitch on road to Empress last week I was gave my generic FMV pitch, but let me tell you sincerely about road to Empress because a Lot of FMV games, I know I know listen I say this a lot, but the a lot of FMV games are not very good and Here's what I will say road to Empress is not really a lot of game it is very much more of a Visual novel I would say but the way it handles things like a Branching storyline that it's presenting to you Is done in a very it gets out of the way and lets you really experience This this visual this visual novel what I would say and a visual novel is overstating it, but it's it's an interactive Film I mean these are terms that got so beaten to death when yeah FMV games started that it's really hard to talk about these in a way that sounds like real Basically you are and I'm by the way This is based on a real historical thing and I am So beyond ignorant of this time period the people in it the nation's involved So I'm gonna do my best as someone who was literally learning about this from a game They bought on steam an hour ago. Do you understand please understand me? Okay, yeah, okay it is about a bunch of people that live in a very large palace looking thing and there there is a court of Women who are all vying for the approval of both the emperor and different people in his court so the story is about your rise up through this court up through the ranks of courtly intrigue and That the decisions that you're making are very much about who's on your side Who's against you? Who can you trust? I'll give you an example one of the very first thing that happens in the game is you show up at this court and You're very new there and you run into a friend of yours who's like almost like a friend of the family Lifelong friend and they're so happy to see you and they say here as a gift for you Take this hairpin. My mother gave it to me and you're kind of hesitant first It's like it's a big gift and you have a choice whether or not you're gonna take it or refuse it and then basically you the woman who is in charge of all the this area of the court shows up and she sees this hairpin on the ground and Ask who it belongs to because she loves it so much and she will gift someone who has this hairpin and Then before you can say anything one of the other girls says it's hers And then she gets in huge trouble and they punish her because only this lady is allowed to wear P&E hairpins So then you have to look at your friend and be like hey, did you know this? Were you trying to set me up? Yeah, so you're having these are the kinds of decisions Little finger of course your friends your friend insists it was innocent, right? But then you frequently die in this game. You die a lot. How impressed there's okay. I'll give you an example There's a bit you have to show a talent to the court and you can sing a song beautifully or You can play an instrument very poorly or you can do an okay job with dancing You can dance kind of good you can sing really good or you can play an instrument really bad If you play the instrument really bad, they're like you're making a joke of the Emperor go to jail and then when you go to jail That's that's kind of like a game over state, right? And then there's and if you sing really good people are like wow That was awesome. Maybe too awesome go to jail So that's it. I'm over simplifying but that that is the kind of idea or like you but because There are rules to this court that are life and death that you don't know So it is like you're trying to like navigate an extremely life or death social situation Yeah, and the way and if you mess up what's cool is like while like during a cinematic at any point You can click a button and go back to a very well laid out story map that shows exactly the different outcomes that you've gotten to And exactly how you done. Yeah, so you can see yeah exactly like you're not gonna be repeating stuff It is there is full control over the speed of the cinematics. You can crank them up to 2.0 You can tap the arrow keys to just like fast forward through them If you want if it's like something that you just want to see a little bit of or you you want to see how it goes But it it really does remove the idea of and this is why game I hesitate to use because it really does remove the idea of like I fail state is Really not like the end you really just kind of scoot back and see something else, right? So it's not like there's almost no penalty to it. It's more like seeing how the story changes with your different decisions It's hard for me to say how well performed it is because it's not in English. It's subtitled it It's very nice to look at the costumes are beautiful. I like that I feel like I'm learning Something about it. I mean who knows how accurate it is, but seeing as this is the only awareness of it I have it seems like it's better than absolutely none. I know you don't speak Was it is it Mandarin or do you know I will not even you don't understand I know but you could like Like I've watched foreign language films and you could like tell if they're being believable or not Uh, you know what it is. It's the so much of it is in the court That I don't know that is like it's very um arch Yeah, very practice. Yeah arch is a good word for a plant. I get very like stiff stiff and stowing and like and and especially in this exact time period in this place like A stillness of of movement is is seems to be very prized amongst the court, but um, I think it's really interesting and and uh, it is well done in the way that they like Show the repercussions of your actions and they're real really it's very Uh, fast how quickly the bottom drops out on you. So it's not like a long journey to find out that you've messed up Uh, but seeing the different like scenes and seeing the story. I don't know how long this story goes apparently this is following your character until they are uh, the the I guess the only Female boss In the country I would assume empress right if that's the name of the Seems like a road to empress if I can do that if you want I just don't know It sounds so good when you're saying it griff. I hope it's the empress. I hope that's the name of the game I think you're probably good. I hope you're right man. I hope you're right Um It uh, it's it's it's a really interesting kind of thing. Um, if you uh, Light don't mind watching your uh entertainment with some light interaction. I think it's I think it's pretty Chris play it mortal combat Mortal combat There are new ones that's what I have been I've been playing watching I too like uh hoops have been on a journey of am I playing a game or am I watching a documentary the mortal combat collection is out And it is yet another one of those Game slash histories you can play all the original mortal combat games in pretty much every form You want to play mortal combat 2 on the s n y s or the game gear go right ahead You want to play the I think it's called wave net unreleased version of ultimate mortal combat 3 Let me tell you it's waiting right here for you But what I did with the vast majority of my time was watch the documentaries about mortal combat Uh, which there are plenty of the way that the game works is you can go into the more combat play mode Or you can go into this timeline And the historical timeline will have bits that are like one or two sentences with an image of like hey This at this moment they came up with the idea of mortal combat And then out of every like two or three of those there will be assets So it might be a five to ten minute documentary clip It might be like the actual pitch documents like scanned in at ultra high resolution for you to read through It might be the original comic book that the creators of mortal combat made and then self distributed Like around the release of mortal combat. It could be the original commercial for mortal combat where they scream in financial district Um, it is such a great time warp to This moment where mortal combat truly felt like the biggest thing on the planet if you were into video games it was in a scapeable and This does such an excellent job at making you really Honestly feel that like feel the relevance not just be told the relevance Um, and the documentary work in it is a blast. Um, friend of the show mic drucker is in it Jeff Gershman a whole bunch of other folks Uh, it's a bunch of old heads being able to kind of relive Their their childhoods It does sound based on the reception that i'm hearing online is that everyone is saying what you're saying which is as a historical document It is fantastic. They're also saying as a game Has some pretty serious issues specifically. I What is the game part of it? Yeah, I okay, so The if you are a very very hardcore Moral combat head who is worried about like the tightest details of I mean, they're they're calling out input lag specifically. I know there there is If I sound hesitant it's because this is the sort of subreddit campaign where you mention one thing about this game on the internet And then the same like random 500 people let you know, uh, how wrong and evil you are Um, and then other people are saying this is completely not noticeable. This is some weird fan rage. So I don't want to I would not um I would not say it is End all be all these games are unplayable. That's not even close to true I played these games especially in single player and had a blast. I was able to get through them These are like difficult games. They still play just how I remembered them. So um, just to like blast blast through it there's like five more combats five more combat twos A few more combat threes a couple of ultimate ultimate mortal combat threes And then from ps1 they have trilogy Mortal combat mythology sub zero. Fuck. Yeah And special forces, which I think is cool that is on there and then from the gba. They have uh, Mortal Kombat advance deadly alliance and Mortal Kombat terminate edition. So that's like the the and then there's that that's the Assortment so there's like a lot of mortal. Yeah, I would say if you are a hyper hyper competitive player Sure, you should avoid it if you are literally anybody else who is curious about mortal combat or the vibe or revisiting these games You will be very happy with it. I'm a top tier syrax. So um, a little wary That's what they do say about you that you dressed as that for halloween, right? Every halloween for the last 20 years syrax. I mean you spend $5,000 on that costume. You got to get you use of it The bombs come out right out of the chest. It's so fucking cool. Do I sound about an asses? Yeah, is that how you pronounce it? What is that? I just assumed playing that um, nsess N-e-c-e-s-s-e. I just assume. I don't know how else you could really hit that I guess I wouldn't clicked on the store page after you I saw you playing it. It's so wild to see these games That's like they've been out for seven years and a bajillion people who've played them and now they're in 1.0 I've never heard of this before no, I it's funny. So I actually this game was in early access for a long time I played it back when it was in early access and I did not care for it Didn't really vibe with it. And so I bounced off of it Um, but then you know, it started to get more buzz with this 1.0 launch that happened. I think mid-october Uh, and so I went back and checked it out. Now. I do vibe with it now. I do kind of get what it's putting down uh, nsess is uh, I've been playing it on steam. It is a game that takes a lot of cues from terraria and it takes a lot of cues from rimworld Both of which are, you know, pretty major players in the You know steam in the I mean terraria is on every platform ever but I think those two games are kind of like beloved by a similar kind of audience where terraria is kind of first in class of that open world survival craft 2d platformer sort of genre and rimworld is very much like a settlement management sim that Rimworld is like absurdly complicated, right? Like it's really kind of well, I mean, it's not I don't think it's dwarf fortress level complicated But it's like it's too much for me. I've never I've never really gotten into rimworld and I've tried a bunch of times Um, when you start up nsess, I think that it presents a lot more of those mechanics At the front, which is what scared me off a little bit because I didn't really care for rimworld So I was like, I won't really vibe but Once you get into the more familiar terraria level stuff. It is It really all starts to come together really nicely. It is a top down sort of action sort of game when you are down in the dungeons or exploring the overworld You're going around your collecting Resources you take back to your base to build up your base to build new weapons and armor and crafting stations And that whole loop is preserved very well other stuff from terraria is like there's different classes of gear So you can have this summoner set which is like about summoning in Little helpers and there's a magic and range and melee and so you're like making decisions based on the loot You find of like, oh, I could go after this there's trinkets like stuff that it's you have a mount Equipment slot and like it's really very very terraria in in all of that way except in this sort of like top down Format instead of this 2d platform or format the city management stuff Is like yeah way more involved than anything terraria hat Yes, so terraria did have that thing where you like had to build rooms for the npcs that would come and live At your settlement whenever you cleared certain benchmarks or beat certain world bosses, which is the thing in this ass This is like there's like a diets tab Yes, I think the game gives you a lot of freedom to do that stuff So if you are a rimworld fan and you do want to determine Who in your settlement can eat what types of food you can get that nasty on it I have actually really been enjoying the settlement building side of things because of how it feeds back into the terraria side of things For example now I have it set so that Um, certain villagers that I have living in my place. I built them rooms and you know gave them the stuff that they needed Uh, I set up like animal husbandry zones and I said you take care of the sheep and you harvest wool for me And that way when I come back, I don't have to do that shit myself I just have all these resources to build armor. This is a uh lumber yard And I've you know dragged and dropped a little box over that said this is the lumber yard This is where you plant your trees and you cut them down when you bring them back you put them in this chest It has a lot of really good quality of life stuff like building Near a chest that has shit in it. Let's you just pull it straight from there Uh, there's like simple single click options for like dump everything in my inventory into these nearby chests Like everything that has been sort of modded into games like terraria and stardew valley and like all that shit that if you're familiar with Uh comes bog standard in this s1.0. Is this um, uh, Controller pleasant I've been playing it. Yeah, I mean I've been playing it on controller. I think Again similar to terraria if you mouse and keyboard it you will have a certain fidelity of control in certain parts of the game And and that will be sort of lacking but the controllers Support is is really great. I've played I think 14 or so hours just on the rock ally x and it's been it's been holding up It is uh, it's a little bit the settlement side thing is is very very cool It's tough playing this game that is so similar to terraria because terraria has been out for so long and has gotten so much content and is such a rich exciting game to explore because you are constantly finding new shit You're constantly escalating in power and changing your like build based on All of this stuff and this has has a lot of that stuff, but it's not quite as dense It feels like there's a lot of I don't know stretches where I'm just not feeling like I'm getting any stronger I haven't found any cool thing and you know this world boss doesn't actually drop anything that interesting um, but again like That is comparing to a game that has been out forever and has gotten so many updates and so many releases I mean this game was in or the first I was scrolling back through news posts December 2019 was when it first came out. Yeah, so they've been they've been working on it for a while I've really been digging it. I've really been digging a lot. I was pulled away from it by seance But I'm probably gonna get back into it. I haven't played multiplayer Uh, but the idea of having like a settlement that you share with other players that you are all managing is like really fucking cool It is cool looking back at these news posts because you can see how much the game absurdly progressed over that time it is like so raw at the beginning and uh, it's pretty interesting I love a game like this in my sort of like Gaming diet like core keeper was this for me. I think either earlier this year late last year This game has is a bit more mechanically like managerial Then than core keeper, which is much more kind of like fast-paced action oriented sort of Lighter on the base building stuff But I love games like this and I think that they they've done a great job And I think it speaks to the fact that like I bounced off it so fast in early access and now it's like I get it and they onboard you really well and you just get to the good stuff really fast. So Yeah, um, if you're a fan of this genre, I think it's a pretty easy recommendation Cool Nice. Okay. I think that's the grab bag One piece of reader mail this goes to griffin specifically. It's from james w Dang, I'm so bummed griffin wasn't here for the pokemon episode. Yeah That's true. Uh, I was also bummed. I've I've been sick for so long and so have most of my kids And so I did miss last week and I was bummed. I frankly I don't have a ton to say About it. I think Well, I trouble in paradise Man go back and listen to the fucking scarlet violet episode. I was throwing heaters Um, I think it's got some really great ideas. I think it's got some cool ideas I think it has some cool moments the big like rogue mega evolution Real-time battles like that's cool. Shit. Uh, they run a little bit long in the tube But that's really cool and there's some mechanics here that are really really fucking neat and exciting for like What the promise of future pokemon games could be but also how many times man Can you I said this this is the exact same shit? I said with scarlet violet Which is like how many times can they get away with like putting out this kind of like Un Ambitious, I guess is the word I would use game or like clearly Parts of it are just not there clearly parts of it are not Do not have the level of polish that could have been applied if it had been in development longer or more more focused Or it had more resources It's the biggest media property fucking on the planet and it is still so disappointing to see them kind of just like I don't know pitch pitch these these uh half half bake sort of games in that have some really cool ideas I think scarlet violet got really good with the dlc. I think now it's on switch two and it runs great like Yeah, those are great games. They got there with that one, but I don't know that they can I don't know that there's a salvageable sort of thing here Henry really likes it, but we've also bounced off it. We don't really play as much anymore Uh, this game is competing with roblox forever now as are all games that are ostensibly for a kid based audience And like this ain't got those staying power for it. So yeah pretty pretty disappointed Uh, again pretty disappointed again by a pokemon game that has really fucking cool ideas that are very exciting But still feeling like I am waiting for the next like big good Pokemon game or at least like the next game that is trying to be the big I mean, I'll tell you what what is on my list for that and it's pokopia the minecraft. Yeah, sure I mean, that's its own thing. You know, it's funny. It reminds me of uh doctor who because disney just exited a deal that they signed with doctor if with the bbc to like co-produce doctor who And the idea was that it's like a This huge property that a bunch of people like love and there's gotta be more there And maybe if they like invested a bunch into it It would build it would explode and build out like a whole universe and stuff And they've just backed off of this deal because it didn't really take the way that they had had wanted to and it It reminds me of pokemon in that way where like doctor who fans are now have now returned To where they belong Right in that like you guys have exactly enough We're gonna give this show exactly as much budget as it takes To keep the people who watch it watching it and I feel like That is where doctor who will return to and I feel like that's the it feels like pokemon as an outside observer And please tell me if i'm misjudging but it feels that set that story seems to repeat with pokemon It feels like where the diehards like are ready for the next thing But it feels like they keep getting enough to just keep them coming back for the next one It feels to me like they have Mathematically figured out the exact dollar amount to invest in these games where they still sell really fucking well And no more than that More so than like any other. I mean arguably this is not a fully nintendo property So in that way, I mean these are like I think the big difference between this and doctor who is pokemon and including this game Can use to sell like astonishingly well to huge swaths of people Right. I think the only game that is sold better on switch to is mario kart world and that in some ways is almost a pack-in um, so Every every this is how I would summarize the thing and russ is right where it's like it's a weird Staple it's a weird thing in the nintendo lineup, right? But every other nintendo property every other one mario zelda kirby Metroid like they have had these moments of like oh Shit the game done changed right like tears of the kingdom breath of the wild comes out and it's like holy shit This is like the big this mario odyssey the first metroid prime like Uh kirby in the forgotten land like moments where it's like they fucking did it like this is the game i've wanted For a long time now. I don't think they've ever done that with pokemon made tears of the kingdom It would have been like and here's three more enemies Like right like the game that there's not games or that right like that's the era of that Sure for sure, but that's like so far but like that's such a long time ago. Yeah, it just feels like if they I think it's different from dr. Who in so far as The fans of this franchise are very outspoken about what they want and it's not like sorry what? Yeah, no, I mean it's not that's a dude that it's sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. And and the ideas that they have are like Pretty solid and reasonable things. I think to be asking for so this is okay To draw the parallel which I think is a little bit different But it is similar the people who like dr. Who don't really they want the investment But they don't want it to change and I think that's the thing with pokemon If they were to invest More what they would want is more people And what that has to look like is it's not I don't think that would look like what diehards Want pokemon so it does feel like a little bit of a dam they do dam if they don't wear If they invest more they have to broaden the audience and if they broaden the audience I'm not sure it's going to be the game that that people want it to so this is actually kind of interesting the and this is by the way Talking out of my ass fully fully. I think it's a great conversation New tino, but I don't know the way pokemon off if you invest in the way pokemon works as a franchise Is there's basically stakeholders in nintendo in pokemon company and whatever the company is that does the cards I forget the name of the company game freaks whatever it is And they all kind of come together and agree what the future of pokemon is and I think there is this Uh, you know group mentality of like well, we're all working together. We want to make money We want to make a successful product. I don't think that they have any interest in risk in a big way No, because for all the reasons that we mentioned it's if they did They would do what I think is like the most reasonable thing which is like invest a fucking lot into pokemon as a platform as pokemon as at pokemon by way of fortnight not in so far as like a pokemon battle royale, but like a Service like a service they have something called pokemon home Which is kind of similar like it's your bank of pokemon that moves with you from game to game like Build something around that build a build a world around that build like an online shared easy Communal experience that folds in fucking everything that's been good that people are trying to date the pokemon I have a solution y'all You're you're you're thinking so big and that's never gonna happen What they want is they want something proven they want no risk, but they want everybody to be happy It's sitting right there Every three years just release another game boy advanced game Just make an old school pixel game that everybody used to love go big with it It's it's not gonna cost you as much. I don't want to play those games again I mean they've been doing that. Yeah, they've been doing re-releases not pixel remakes, but that's not no I'm saying new not remakes. I want new new pixel gba style games Just give me that sweet sweet flavor that I I keep craving and I want to go back to I can't keep playing those games again It's all the same fucking game over and over again. I'm sorry. I like the cute pokemon, but it's all downhill since pig night I Damn so many Flamin hot takes Is it tombo? Who's the name of the ryanot the game free character not tombo? That's that's uh Tomba's delivery service. Shall we do honorable mentions? Let's do it. Okay. I wanted to call out a theater experience Oh I saw a theater experience in New York City. It's called masquerade and it is basically a immersive theater retelling of Phantom of the opera. Oh boy. Uh, I went in Profoundly skeptical I am a huge fan as you listener. No doubt currently are feeling I'm a huge fan. I really really loved sleep no more, which is an immersive experience that justin saw about 60 times I went probably three or four times and loved it like totally blown away Um, I loved that you had to frame it that justin went 60 times so that your three or four times didn't seem as buck wild It's okay. Yeah, no quick forearm shiver to the game man. Okay to keep on going. It's all right Cold one between the shoulder blades a quick cold one between the shoulder blades. It's about your business Since then I have not had an immersive experience in theater that is anywhere in your life in my life You see everything through a bubble You're never present I have not had a good immersive theater experience. Um until this one Uh, I like Phantom of the opera okay And I left like fucking kind of a little bit obsessed about Phantom of the opera Oh, right the closest comparison I can say is like It felt like I was able to be on stage with a Broadway caliber production As all of the people were up in my space like doing their things singing many of the cast members are people who have played these roles Have you seen a juice stage? Yeah. Yes. I saw it. It's uh, it's pretty phenomenal And I'm not a big fan person either, but the ways in which they have rethought it to bring it Closer to you is like it feels like oh, this is definitely a way that theater can Can keep going and evolve for another 50 years like it's a very It's a very interesting bracing like kind of like Transportative way of seeing a show. It's really really fascinating. Do the narrative hooks hit you a little bit stronger in this than sleep no more Because I like sleep no more. I went to it a few times, but I never saw this a linear experience So they are guiding you through they'll like open doors and like push you through in the way The sleep no more is much more non-linear. You can go wherever the fuck you want basically That being said you start off in a group of I want to say like 40-ish 30 40 people something like that And then as you're going through and you're getting led into different rooms They'll like subdivide you without you even realizing it So suddenly you're in a room with 12 people and you're seeing something that the other 30 people are not seeing And it's like a different but the story is cogent without you having to do the story is complete You know exactly you know exactly where it's almost literalism I mean like you know where you're at like when you're going through the the fandom's catacombs for example You go down an escalator that leads you into them and you see like his boat Going through the fall literally as I saw that I was like amazing holy shit like out loud. Holy shit I could not it's really and see and honestly Seeing these performers perform this close is like a really rare opportunity and seeing it is kind of like incredible Because you realize what a full body thing it is to like be performing at this level. It's also really Give an example like There's a scene where in the show where you discovered the fandom has killed someone in the cast to take their place And you like the way that information is revealed to you is like someone opens a closet and the body falls out and is like there With you like you are like that is the way the like it is a very literal like you're not it's not like kind of amorphous Like sleeping or something the other is like you you're in the scene and from my perspective That's not how I found that out. I found it out because I saw the phantom kidnapped the guy Oh, really? I didn't see that. Oh, that's so cool. So it's a totally different scene. So you're getting the same story Logistically I want to read an entire article about how they pull it off because it's multiple casts going between the it's fascinating Really interesting. So um, yeah, if you're in new york or visiting or something like that, I really really would recommend it I think it's running right now. It's been extended a few times until february So, uh, you might have a chance to see it So one person doesn't have to do the like kidnapping scene over and over and over again The actors actually get to have a emotional journey to do well the phantom the phantom and christine Stay consistent throughout your entire performance. I think there are certain smaller parts that get used for all the groups You follow your phantom, right? Like your phantom is just going through the one thing But some of the other players are like doing double duty between people who are going through Their version which is time delayed To yours because news shows are starting every few minutes There are six phantoms and six christians and they rotate the christians with a sub like a minor part a female character All at the same all all for one night. So it's really like again logistically like fucking fascinating thing I highly recommend it. It's called masquerade. You can try to get tickets on the website, which will include in the newsletter I have a few things One really quick I got in my ayn thore and i've been having a fucking great time setting that up and going through my ds 3ds catalog It works so well and it is so fun to go back through those games I've been playing the stamp rally in clubhouse games Just like i'll just keep that on there and just kind of like pick it up and play a little bit of I don't even remember what that game is Clubhouse games no stamp rally Oh stamp rally is the mode where like you play the games and if you win you get stamps and it moves you further down the track So you like go through all the games. It's very good. Um I finished outer worlds 2 I don't know if you guys stuck with it. I haven't i'm i was on like planet 2 when I kind of fell off um Yeah, I I I really liked it. I think that uh The wheels fell off a little bit Like halfway through honestly if I if i'm being completely honest and everything after that kind of felt pretty samey Um, but you really liked it. Well, I mean I Basically turned the difficulty all the way down once I hit that point to see it through I honestly I feel about it pretty much the same way I feel about outer worlds one I think that the rpg mechanics are better. I think that the Way they integrate your choices into how you explore the world is better, but I also think that that trick only works A few dozen times and then you it all kind of really starts to blur together There's one entire planet that just felt like total filler that just felt like everything I'm doing here is so uh Inconsequential and It just kept going and going and going and going that I was I was honestly kind of sick of it And it made me wish that there was like almost a conceptual change in how obsidian makes games Which is like I would love a much shorter much tighter version of this experience that I feel compelled to go back and replay As a different character with different skills and a different build um Because I do not think I just simply don't think that it the the experience can be sustained for a full You know 30 or so hour Pentament if you will Uh, yeah a pentamin. Yes. Thank you. Um, the thing I really want to talk about is physical pentamin fun Thing I want to talk about real bad is physical asia if you guys have watched physical 100 or if you haven't it's a korean reality competition show where 100 athletes from different disciplines get together to Uh battle in different kind of ways to see who is the best person at athleticism It's a great show with incredible production quality, uh, truly truly Through the roof physical asia brings back a lot of contestants from the past two seasons of physical 100 Only they are on a team of of korean Uh contestants and then there are seven other teams from seven other countries Uh, and they it is a team battle sort of style version of the game. There's teams from Mongolia, japan, thailand, australia, the philippines Um, the team from japan has some competitors from a different netflix reality show called Final draft that I think I talked about on this program Uh, that is very fun to see them back, uh on on my tv Uh, it is it's just a really There's really nothing like it on television in terms of like production quality and the dramatics That they kind of like put behind these athletic competitions Uh is is is really unparalleled. So, uh, i'm like Four episodes in or so and uh, it's been really really neat to watch I uh finish, uh, I have almost finished the second book in A series that griffin got me started on uh, which is called the shadow of the leviathan is the series The first book is called the tainted cook and this one is called a drop of corruption It's um, have you talked about these in the show griff? I talked about the first one I don't know if I talked about the second one. So I if you I want to say that you've heard anything but but basically it is a uh a fantasy mystery series and I say fantasy only since that their world is very much not like ours but uh, it's it's about two investigators one is a like really supremely brilliant woman who has to limit some of her senses so that she doesn't get like overwhelmed by the world and her partner who works for her is named din and he is uh, sort of magically altered so that He remembers everything he Experiences with perfect clarity and recall and so she very much does not enjoy going out into the world so it's din that usually goes out into the world and is just uh acting on her wishes and observing the things that she has asked her to observe without really bringing A deductive acumen to it. So they're kind of working together, right? She's at home thinking about these things and he's out in the world experiencing him What's cool about the series and they're they are sort of police for this empire And they when they're like internal affairs internal affairs is probably a better way of putting it Yeah, so they investigate when something has gone wrong within the the officers of this empire They are the ones that investigate what has happened And so if it's it's they are kind of working on their own outside the empire, but what is cool about this series for me There's a lot cool the the the relationship between the two characters is cool the effect of remembering everything Uh, it's very on din the effect of that on din is very pronounced and interesting to read about but what I I really dig about it is that This empire developed because there are these huge leviathans that wander out of the sea And would like just destroy wide swaths of land And so people had to work together to figure out how to fight these leviathans And then now they figured out not only how to fight these leviathans But how to stop and harvest them and use their magics for our our own So this is an empire that is forged from necessity It's an empire it's forged out of countries like that need to work together and societies that need to work together And so the empire is overall a good and in Almost like so rare in fantasy sci-fi almost anything I read and Really in the world today to have any sort of to to see an empire or government represented with anything that seems like worth protecting Is really refreshing to read about and so really it feels nice if a little bit escapist to read about a a Sort of society a government that is basically functional and the people that like work to keep it functioning And what that means and it's a it's a it's a complicated conversation. I think it's it's asking As many questions as it like answers about the nature of empire and society and faith and all this stuff But it's it's supremely well written. It's it's it's a really fascinating Mystery and the the relationships between all the characters are are really really good. The first one you you should read first is called The tainted cup and the second one is called a drop of corruption Robert Jackson Bennett has a bunch of different series. He's the author of this of these books He's he's probably my favorite sort of like fantasy Author, I can't recommend any I read the last book the last book you recommended the the the city of spares Yeah, yeah, divine city. Yeah, I that was a lot denser and drier than this This is a bit popier and I have really enjoyed it a great deal more Yeah, this I mean this also being a mystery. It's just so smart having a magical mystery where one character Gets all the clues and one character figures out the crimes like it it it does something to the detective story format that like Is very cool. It's not my genre at all and I've been like really really addicted to these to these books. They're really good. They're great Play it. Uh, I'm very quick. Uh King sorrow by joe hill Joe hill is the son of steven king Uh, and he has written a bunch of horror books over the years It's funny man. No matter how big of a success that dude is and he's gigantic at this point because I still think of it the same way Stephen king son who's also a multi-million Also, there are other in his own right even king who also dead ass looks 100% like steven king. It's crazy It's very distracting. He looks so much like steven king. I feel like I'm a kid every time one of his videos pops up It's also super relevant for this book because uh, the title king sorrow feels like it is a play on steven king himself This is a book that is 100% in conversation with it. This is joe hill doing it. It is a book that spans decades My steve's joe hill doing it Instead of a clown it is a Dragon that is conjured by these group of college friends and then the decision to do that affects the rest of their life and it is terrifying it's Legit a good scary horror Novel if you are an audiobook person I super recommend it because the book is over 800 pages long So at 25 hours of audio and they have done a ton of work On the audio version so whenever it goes audiobooks are really getting a lot better Advanced leaps and bounds. Yeah when it gets into a very tense situation. It basically becomes kind of uh Full showcase of the audio you're getting new voices brought in you're getting sound design All sorts of things so when when it really needs to pull you in it makes that effort to really really pull you close and If you are a phantom steven king at all, this is such a cool read because Yeah, on top of just being a page turner. It is in conversation with one of the you know most successful writers of ever Um, it's great really really. Oh, watch welcome to dairy No Okay, no i've seen clips. It looks too scary. Yeah, it's too scary. I've heard it is B. A. D. bad Oh One second. I gotta thank the members some new members to the patreon. We have ollie b. We have patrick s. We have henry And we have john k. Thank you for being members of the patreon. You can go to patreon.com slash the besties We have a new bracket battles episode that is live right now We'll put a clip in right here in this episode so we can hear a brief clip of it Okay, next up. Jesus. This is gonna be a fucking bloodbath. Yeah, uh if these Next up we have gwent from the witcher three and also from gwent And we have licky tongue sushi or I think it's called sushi go round. Maybe you can we not say that Word anymore sushi go round. We don't have to say the name of everyone actually does need to get on the mic And say licky tongue's name. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to say licky tongue. There's my one Okay, but I don't want to hear it anymore. All right. Does licking tongue help Can you know from now on it sushi go round? Okay. Yeah sushi go round Um, I will say of the pokemon stadium mini games I think there was a magic carp wasn't there a magic carp leap one that then actually did get spun off into its own to a mobile mobile game But I especially didn't involve a certain pokemon eating a bunch of sushi Yeah, licking tongue is like hungry hungry hippos if pellets were sushi and in a circle surrounding the hippos and you got points for the best Balls to eat and you could get combos for eating similar balls in order Yeah, I definitely played this game a lot, but that was mostly because pokemon stadium was kind of busted And so sometimes I would just kind of need a break like mom already bought you Stadium see just like you had to play something right so you might do licky tongue stadium Yeah, and you didn't get anything for doing it But it was a break from how busted pokemon stadium was at times And uh, yeah, thank you for being members if you already are please join us if you're not already You can also get an ad free feed of all of our content At the 10 dollar tier if you're interested, but otherwise we're happy to have you Next week next week is none of your business and i'm tired of you being so pushy about this kind of thing Okay, we'll figure it out and then we'll tell you we actually already know We just don't just tell you everything back off wild vibe wild vibe Back off It's gonna do it for this week on the besties Be sure to join us again next time for the besties because shouldn't the world's best friends pick the world's best games Besties