What Are You Wearing?

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So you can show it more often on search engines and bring in more of your ideal customers. Squarespace also makes it easy to showcase your expertise and engage clients with video content on your website. You can organize your videos, create stunning video libraries, and even monetize your content by adding a paywall. Perfect for online courses, exclusive tutorials, and premium workshops. Head to squarespace.com.bnc for a free trial, and when you're ready to launch, use offer code BNC to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. It's good to see you. Are we going? Mm-hmm. Oh, it's so good to see you. What are you wearing? Do not be weird. I was wondering. What's that material? You cannot see. I can see you loud and clear. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I actually am wearing this sweatshirt that I got from TikTok shop that I really like. It is... What's the name of a sweatshirt that's like a zip up hoodie? A zip up hoodie. Is it just a zip up hoodie? Yeah. Okay, I'm wearing a zip up hoodie. I'm wearing a black tank from the Gap. Ooh, sexy. Connor. Wait, what is that line from? What are you wearing? Is that just from like phone sex? It's just like, yes. It's like the phone sex opener. There's... Okay. But it's also like red carpet. I think that's kind of why red carpets have ventured from like what are you wearing to tell me what story you're fit. No, because they don't say what you're wearing. What story are you telling with your outfit? Is that what you're trying to ask me? First of all, I like where you've spun this whole thing on its head and I like that about you. You're constantly spinning and you're turning things on their heads. They ask, who are you wearing on the carpet? Imagine I call the phone sex hotline 1800 hot chicks and I go, who are you wearing? I love that. I'm wearing a timeless piece from Skims and it's not bunching up my crack. It's completely gone. I go, oh, that is very sexy. Oh, I love that. And I'm wearing gap jeans that are like low rise and baggy, which is new for me. And it's also why I've zipped up my hoodie like over the piece of my body where my stomach meets below it. So what kind of story are you telling with your look today? I was going for like comfortable chic. Like, oh, I didn't think about this outfit at all. That's cool. Even though I did. I like that. And I'm doing micro bangs. Oh, hashtag influenced. By Papa. By you, by Papa. Yeah. Yeah. My macro bangs. My macro bangs were like completely it was, it was crazy to see one individual person rallying behind me. Like, I'm like get behind me. Let's let's storm. There was one person that was like, I'm DMs me and said, like, I was scared to comment because like everyone was very clearly like against the micro bangs. And I like, we were, we were having fun. Me and you? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But she came into my DMs and said, I just like privately want to let you know, I think they looked good. And I go, get your eyes checked. No, people were really coming for me. Like you need to let him express himself. He looks amazing. And like, I'm sorry if I stifled that. I just, you always tell me to be really honest. Yeah. And that is just how I was feeling. But like, if you like them, you like them. No, I'm not someone who's, if, if I look bad, I mean, we've already done this. Okay. Like there was the episode where I wore my hair down for the whole episode and you guys were like, like, you didn't even acknowledge it. That's what I'm saying. Like I had private thoughts and I didn't say it and I didn't express them. And then you got mad. Well, that hair was almost like I had been afflicted by something bigger than myself. And no one said a word and that made me question our relationship, you know, like, that's why to those listeners out there, like that really upset Connor when I didn't, when I didn't say anything. Oh, beyond this. No, I'm, I'm cool to have a conversation about the bot, my body and the way I carry it. Yeah. So I would want someone to step in if there was something that's sticking out, being like, are you sure this is what you want to be? Normally I would not ever comment on anything anyone is doing with their hair or body. Privately, of course, we're having a sidebar. I wouldn't even do it privately. Usually. I will. I know you do. But like to me, your bangs are my Sherpa. Your bangs are my Sherpa. Oh, when you wouldn't let me wear my shirt. My Sherpa. The purple timepiece. Yeah. Timeless. You know, that, that, that had a, that had a X-ray, that, that jacket had a T-shrash in it. So here we are. Oh, wait. Sherpa reminds me of something crazy that someone gave me at my show in Durham, North Carolina last week. What? Someone gave me a Merca. What's a Merca? I think it's a bush, a stick on bush for my, for my, wait, what, something carpet, kitty carpet? It's called a kitty carpet. I don't think that's for you. Um, okay, but it can be, it can be trimmed to, to fun shapes. So I feel like I could make it work. Okay. In my, in my Sherpa area. Dude, have you like expressed wanting something like that? No, I think it was really just like free reign. They saw this and they felt like it called. I mean, if, if I had expressed out, outwardly about wanting Merkin, not Merca. Merkin. Merkin. If I had expressed wanting a Merkin, I would have been here. I, um, I've never said I didn't want one. So I guess like it's kind of just like open and it says botched Brazilian misbehaved shave unveiled, VJJ, kitty carpet, reusable downstairs to pay. I was going to say it looks like a to pay. I'm going to take it out of its pocket, take it out of its package. Remember when everyone would say VJJ and it was like the funniest thing in the world. Yeah. I feel like Katy Perry came up with that. Whoa. It's, it's, um, like large and in charge. That is like not a color that I've ever seen it. And like that's not. Yeah. That's, that's definitely decorative. Like that's not meant to look natural. It's definitely a statement piece. Well, it can be trimmed. Yeah. Regardless of the shape and color, like, or the shape and size, like that color is like it's meant to be a statement piece. It's very soft. It feels like a Yorkie poo. Is it? Okay. Like if I was to describe this often as it truly feels like a, like a shitsuit puppy. Okay. Wow. What a lovely Merkin you have. Thank you. Maybe you could turn it into a soul. You put this, you put the sticky. Should I do it? Yeah. Not now. Maybe for bonus, you could. Okay. For bonus, I'm going to put the Merkin on my chin. Yeah. Like that. Make another song. You want to see Connor put the Merkin on his chin. Maybe it's time to put this pussy on your chin. Um, okay. Cool. Well, so that came from there. What was I going to tell you? Oh. Hmm. I made, I'm, I guess like, let me, let me get ahead of a bunch of stuff really quick. If you, unless you have something pertinent that's happened this morning that you're going to like forget or you want to get off right away. Or yours. Okay. So I'm actively moving out. So I guess to chat with you guys, to chat Nuga really quick. I don't have a home after, after I leave on Friday. So the patients needed on my behalf, um, for the coming weeks, in case I am without home, like we may be doing some like genuine remote, OG remote mic on my laptop podcasting. What if you came to LA while you don't, I'm going to be in LA on starting Sunday. Oh, just cause you don't have home. Well, I have, I have Netflix as a joke next week. Yes. So I actually need to talk to you guys about it's on Wednesday. Girl. Maybe. Yeah. Anyways, we'll cross that bridge. Um, but yeah, so I'm looking for, I'm obviously looking for an apartment and I just told you guys they have been touring my apartment just about every day, which is awesome because they are like, it is in shambles. I'm like, I'm moving out and I live, and this is just kind of, kind of how I live. They go, there's so many rocks in the kitchen. I go, those are my rocks. Like that's the rock area of my kitchen. Um, I found the perfect apartment last week. So basically in New York, there's only one app you can use basically street easy to find an apartment. And like, even if you get like, if you have a friend that like works in the realtor space, they're sending you links to street easy. It's like, I'm confused. But I got one that was genuinely my ideal place. And I was like, oh, I did it and I did this on my own. And I, it was in my budget. It was in my area. It was, it checked every single box, perfect little podcast studio and house. Not like a five floor walkup or like I'm walking up five flights of stairs every day, get them perfect. I read the description because it was one of those things, you know, when you find the perfect whatever, and you just like keep clicking the link and reading and about it and like clicking through the pictures and looking at the floor plan and just like writing your first name and then the apartment address as your last name in your diary. I get down to this bottom line that like I really figured was about legalities and I hadn't read it yet. But note, this listing is for the walk-in closet portion of the bedroom only. All caps, not the complete bedroom or apartment and not the king bed. No. So my perfect listing in my budget is someone's closet. Someone is looking for someone to live in their closet. That party I hadn't even thought. Yeah, I hadn't even gotten there. I'm bombed about my, my dream apartment. Someone listed their closet. Okay. Yeah. The walk-in closet is in their bed, is in the bedroom. So jail. Jail would be good. I do want to like, now that you said that, maybe flag it, but they're not hiding anything. You know, so interesting. No, I mean, I guess they're just looking for a roommate. Closet mate. It kind of seems like they're looking for like something lower than a roommate. Someone to. A sub. I don't, I don't even know if it was sexual. Have you ever watched that movie I told you to? The one with. Like the gay BDSM one. The gay BDSM. What is it? Pillion. No, I didn't watch it. You need to. You told me I wouldn't like it. And I, but I want you to, I want your thoughts. Maybe I'll watch it in LA when I'm there. Yeah, that's like something I really want to hear what you think. Thank you. Izzy, Izzy brought me my coffee. Sweet. Did not have any this morning, so I'm going to take a little, little sippy. I hope you don't mind. Enjoy. No, do it. Thank you. What is it? What is that? It's matcha. Oh, good. Let me, let me put a straw on here. Go ahead. No, do whatever you have to do over there. I see you have a beverage as well. Yeah, I got a green juice. Nice. What's in it? Well, it's pure greens with lemon and ginger. Kale spinach, cucumber, celery, zucchini, romaine, which is funny because romaine. No, we don't need to have a conversation about romaine. No, we do. And I'll tell you why. Okay. Tell me why we have, I was just going to say romaine lettuce will always remind me of when I went to Whole Foods and I said, hi, what aisle is the iceberg? They go, we don't sell iceberg. I go, oh, did I? Like for a second, I thought I was like being canceled because I thought that iceberg was like a word we didn't use anymore. One or like two, are we boycotting iceberg? Like is it like there's like a Titanic boycott happening? And, and I was like, oh, I would have known about that iceberg. And I go, um, why don't you have iceberg? And they go, it doesn't have any nutritional value. We don't sell it here. I go, oh, who gives a fuck? Like it's not like it's bad for you. And the point is like, you can put so many like things that are good for you around it. Yeah. Iceberg is a vehicle to move things from point A to point my mouth. Yeah. The way do you ever watch bake my Melissa's muckbangs, muckbangs? What is it? I don't watch her muckbangs. No, but I follow that. I guess it's not even that. It's just like her cooking and eating. Um, so not a muck muckbang at all. But the way that she frames food, I always think about like if she were my mom, I would have like the healthiest relationship with food because she's so pro like carbs and like bread, pita, whatever, as just like a vehicle for the nutrients. She's like, yeah, this is perfect. Don't even worry about it. Like this is good. You just like, cause you need it to like get the nutrients in you. Like it's a pretty matter of fact. She's I really, yeah, I really like the way that she eats and frames the eating experience and cooks, but I'll tell you why we need to talk about remain. Happy Mother's Day, Bakes by Melissa. Happy Mother, Happy Mother's Day to bake by Melissa and bake by Melissa only. Um, but I have been doing so many podcasts recently that are, that will come out later, but that are all like book related and awesome. Like I've had so much fun and it's great to be able to talk about that. But like, you know what I can't talk about during those. Romain. Romain. And just like when my head wanders, it's like. I can't just say what popped in. Wow. So I've had, it's actually like this whole just like VB press experience while amazing has really kind of, um, sparks or re, it re-ignit this, the spark of my love for broken Connor make a podcast. I love that bro. Wow. Yeah. That's so amazing. Yeah. I could see that being when you're doing press for, for to promote something and it's not some like work like, like when I do press for like a tour of them, say a laundry tour, it is just like, Oh, it's fine. I want to come see him be fun. But like you're promoting your, your work, like your written work. Like that's totally different. Like, no, it's pretty serious. Like I'm not being funny at all. No, it hasn't. You have a prompt, you know? Yeah. No. And it's again, that's crazy. So fun and amazing. I love it. And always a pleasure to talk about the book. It's different. And to rewire your brain, to rewire. Someone says something and you can't be like, Oh my God, like my college professor doesn't eat romaine because she had romaine that had E. Coli, she diarrhea and shit like that. So it's like, I feel, I felt, I've been feeling really happy to be sitting in the Kylie Clarkson recently. Oh my gosh. Well, we're lucky to, we're lucky to have you. Yeah. Thanks for having me. 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Speaking of my professor that that hate Romain can't eat Romain anymore because of the poop on it from the fields. I am obviously like I cooked on my stove this morning because I'm trying to get rid of the groceries that I have because I'm genuinely leaving Friday and I'm not I'm not coming back to the department. Right. Like movers are coming while I'm gone. Where will they put your stuff, Connor? It's cool. New York is cool. Like New York people have lived here like New York is cool. And people have lived here for a long time. Check it out. You have to check out New York. Gorgeous time of year. New York has had people living here for so long that they have like problem solved a lot of things where I'm like pulling out my hair and I'm like, what am I going to do with my stuff? And all of the moving companies I've talked to you like, oh, well, just store it till you find your new apartment. Oh, that's perfect. So they have like storage facilities like a built in storage and moving and why they move it right to the unit. And then when when you when you find your place, they pull it all back out, put it back in the. That's awesome. There's no. Yeah, yeah, it's so awesome. But the only thing I'm kind of worried about which like I watch all these ads that people do with like roadway moving and cupcake moving and Oatley move on all the movers and. They're always like, yeah, I was there and I didn't lift a finger and I didn't do that. And it does kind of seem like you do have to lift a finger. I did not lift a finger with roadway. You didn't. No, to the point where it's uncomfortable. I'm not going to be here. Like you just watch. Oh, my God, you're like a you're like the moving cook. You're a total moving cook. Wow. And I remember with roadway, like they had a like, I was just like, I guess I'll like meet you at my new place. And then I just like waited there for a while because I felt so uncomfortable watching them. Pack and silent. Do their thing. Yeah. Them they were great because they packed for me too. Like I literally there's I didn't do anything. I there was no prep for moving. It was literally just like a four hour experience. It was amazing. And the only thing that I really did was unpack. I just like I look around my apartment and I'm like, where are they going to put my tchotchkes? You know? Yeah. But like you do have to you do have to let go and let God with moving, I especially with the movers like these boys were built built for that. Boys and girls, maybe. You know that episode of Nathan for you where they framed the. Like movers as like a workout. I didn't I didn't say you got people that actually paid to move you. Because it was their workout class. Couldn't be more brilliant. Yeah. He's so brilliant. I wonder what he's what he's working on. He was on Raya recently. Nice. You know that? I mean, yeah, he's always there. He's there. There's like I would say like there are my three of my top five are on Raya. Your big three. And I can't get on. And I'm making it worse all the time by just screaming about it. But I don't want to be on Raya. Like, can you imagine? Well, I obviously do so badly, but like, can you imagine like. Dating updates or anxiety inducing enough? Imagine like. No, I wouldn't match with them anyway, probably, but like. Not because I don't think they'd like me back, but like imagine like. Setting up a date with like Nathan Fielder and like knowing you're like showing up to like a seated dinner with Nathan Fielder. Like I'd much rather run into him in the wild than like show up for an intentional seated dinner like I wouldn't sleep for weeks. That would be a tough dynamic, Brooke. I do want to say like, although it seems like so amazing, it would be like really not fun. I don't think I just want to do a seated dinner with Nathan. I just want to like on a romantic level. Like we've matched and I don't think that would be like your. You would really want to like go on a date with someone you're a massive fan. Oh, that's what I'm saying. Well, then just you wouldn't. Then you just don't match with. I would want to be in the wild. Yeah, the. Obviously, can you imagine? What am I going to do? I'm not going to swipe left, but then obviously like the swiping right and then having them like confirmed to not match back with you. How horrible. Like it's I love sitting in this like ignorance is bliss of like, hey, they'd like me if they just got to know me, but like having that like firm confirmation of like, no, it would be too much. And like, I think it's actually a blessing. I've not been allowed onto Raya. Thank you, Raya. Thank you, the Raya. Thank you for the blessing in disguise, Raya. Yeah, so yeah. It's it's all it's all going to be OK. I know I was sitting I last night. Did a cool it was just really nice out and I was going home from the gym. Love my gym still, by the way. That's awesome. It's completely all old people at the times that I go. And it's like me and it's like it's like me and all my it's it's me and all my old people, it's so I mean, anyways, yesterday I had my first like I'm in the gym and I'm about to pass out moment and. Fully, I was playing it off so much and. I'm really pushing myself and I'm like full blown like there is the room is spinning around my head like a cartoon. And I was like, oh, God, let's do an I think we go up and wait probably a little bit more. And I was doing the hump machine. You know what I'm talking about? No. So many of these things are like actually like these machines are actually. Completely for like a humiliation ritual. I put a belt. You put a belt. You strap your waist and belt wise to the hump machine. Oh, like you have your humping the air. I'm humping the air. No, no, easy, easy. It's not even that kind of hump machine. I was upside down hump machine. So every time I would do it, by the way, it makes clanking sounds like you're on a work like a construction site. Like I don't. It felt like the machine wasn't finished being put together. And then as soon as I was like, oh, that's pretty loud. He goes, yeah, we just got this. I'm like, oh my God, they put it together wrong. Like the hump machine is about to fall apart and I'm going to be I'm going to die on the hump machine. So I'm kind of humping the air and every time I am dick up, face down, like then it makes that loud noise. So everyone's looking in my direction. I'm completely inverted and my pelvis is like facing north. And it was a great. Are you doing this all solo? No, that was with a trainer. I have a trainer. Wow. Yeah, he's amazing. I guess what? Because it's a personal thing. I'm not going to say his name and that, you know, have you ever said anyone's names before? Yeah, Ray from Frambridge, who is like actively next time you're in New York, what he's going to come on. So just like, Ray, if you're listening, which I think that you might think that you might be based on our conversation. He has like, he has some stories to share with us. Like he's really keen to come on. And I would love to have Ray. He had, he gave me some, some peeks into like some of the stories he has to tell and I was like, I don't even want like it was great. Like the guy's been around the block. I think that that's our like missing secret sauce that we've not activated. Yeah. Is random guests. Like I think. Yeah. Like sometimes we'll have like a guest that like works like Dale, you know, but other times it's hard because like we have such a specific dynamic. And I think that that dynamic would really work with randoms. I completely agree. It's like there must be some magic in that old silk hat they found. In that what? In that old silk hat they found that old silk cap. That old silk hat they found that old silk hat. Yeah. I don't get it. Well, because when they, when they placed it on his head, he began to dance around. Right. Has a silk hat. In many ways. Yes. Okay. Oh, you're Jewish. Oh my God, you're Jewish. That's frosty. The snowman. It's a song. Oh, no, I know frosty. I don't know. I guess I don't know the lyrics super well. Okay. Well, it's that there must have been some magic in that old silk hat they found. Okay. I didn't know about the silk cap. I just knew about the very shiny nose or had a very, is it shiny nose? Frosty the snowman had a very, what, what did he have? Very. It's shiny nose. With a, and a button nose, button nose. Frosty the snowman had a very, very special boy. This is like that episode of the office where Andy's trying to get that jingle. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break. Wait. Frosty the snowman had a very jolly, happy soul. No. Jolly. Jolly, happy soul. Oh my God. Frosty the snowman had a very jolly, happy soul. No, I didn't realize he had a soul. Had a very, he was a very jolly, happy. Frosty the snowman was a very happy jolly soul. That's not how it goes. It was a jolly, happy soul. Frosty the snowman was a jolly, happy soul. I don't agree that that's how it went. I don't agree. With corn, with corn cob pipe, with corn cob pipe. What this, these can't be the lyric. Hello, I have corn. Hi, I have corn cob pipe. I have button nose. I have two eyes. They're made out of coal. They saying I'm a fairy tale. I'm made out of snow, but I am a very jolly, happy. Is he Russian? I don't know. That was like a new one for me. OK, I guess the only lyrics I knew genuinely were there must have been some magic in that old silk cap they found when they placed it on his head. He began to dance around. Is the end of this is the end of the song he melts? To me, the only lyrics I knew were he had a very shiny nose and those weren't the lyrics are to see the snowman had to hurry on his way. But he waved goodbye saying, don't you cry? I'll be back again someday. How come how come everything is like inherently very religious? Or are you saying Frosty's Jesus? It did feel that way, because I mean, if he's coming back, he's reincarnated or not. Well, maybe he's reincarnated. They're just going to remake him when there's snow again. But he had a soul. These children watched around as he died. He's him. Is he I'm sorry. Would you mind googling is Frosty a metaphor for Jesus? Thanks. Because it always comes back to this. That was not the original intent of the creators, but many interpret Frosty the snowman as a secular metaphor, allegory for Jesus Christ. Drawing parallels to his life, his death and the resurrection. Miraculous birth, Holy Spirit magic. Reincarnation. I got it. Hi, Frosty's Jesus. Hi, come back someday. That means that all those kids are like Pontius Pilate and like all of his disciples that betrayed him. By good luck with the sun. Frosty never heard of Pontius Pilate. I believe he betrayed Jesus. Not Judas. Judas. Yeah. What was Pontius? Good job, Brooke. Thank you. I love when I love when Brooke goes Christian on my ass. He was the governor. Oh, yeah. He following his brutal suppression of a Samaritan uprising. Oh, wait, what? I don't know. Like I've never heard of this guy. OK, he did something bad. Yeah, can we type in why it was Jesus? Oh, he was the crucifier. Is yeah, that's not good. Yeah. OK. Well, good to cover, you know, Judas's last name. I didn't I thought they weren't doing last. I thought Judas was like share. But I'm seeing now that he has the last name is scary. Odd. That's good name. Not a modern surname, but an epithet likely meaning man of Kira, earth, which distinguish him from other disciples like Judas. Name Judas. Other theories suggest it means liar or derives from dagger wielders, though man of Kira, this most widely. So it's just like the town he was from, Judas of blank. Right. I get that. Brook of Brook of Mainline. I love that. Yeah. Thank God for this podcast. Like, how do why are we talking about Judas? Because of Frosty. Because of Frosty. Why are we talking about Frosty? Because you started singing about a silk cap. Because. Because. Yeah. Well, what are we going to do? I do. I have something I like pretty. I do need to talk about. Do it. And I would say, like, from this point on in the episode, if you have like really strong negative feelings about Michael Jackson, I would end the episode. I would not listen to the rest of this episode because I saw Michael. Yeah. In theater. In the in theater. I saw it in theater. And it has led me to I can't remember the last time I have done a dive like this. I have watched every single Michael Jackson film, documentary, TikTok, anything that has ever been made. I feel I just I feel really, really strongly about his mistreatment. OK. This, I mean, first of all, goes to the movie. I actually didn't like I wasn't obsessed with the movie in the way that you would think based off of the spiral that I've gone. Why are you plugging your nose? I wasn't. It was it's a dance. I was dancing. OK. No, go ahead. And sorry. The movie strongly before you know. OK, great question. Before I had always loved Michael's music, but was obviously just like very confused, because like obviously a lot of different people are saying a lot of different things. And clearly there was a disturbance there. Like he wasn't well and everything just really confused me. And I kind of just like never really looked into it too much, you know. But of course, love the music and kind of I would say I previously was inclined to believe the negative things people were saying. Right. But, you know, after the movie, you kind of see how he grew up and how deeply he was abused. And the movie couldn't touch on much just for like legal reasons. So for that reason, I did feel like it was missing like some soul and like a big piece of the story. But it was good and like the performances were amazing. Jafar was like the only person that I think could play him, his nephew. Yeah, that's pretty cool to do that. But the politics are so interesting because he's Jermaine Jackson's son. And it is my understanding from all the research that I've been doing that like Jermaine and Michael like they were not on great terms. Right. So it's very interesting. There's a lot of like family politics involved. Some of the Jackson family members were like, I do not fuck with this movie at all. And then some. Including like his sons were like on set and producing. So it's interesting. I'm confused. Like this all comes back down to like I don't understand what an estate is. Is an estate made up? I would I would assume like the estate is made up of the family of because that's just my literal sense of like what an estate is like a large home, you know, where everyone lives and maybe the the Ken of the whoever this is, that would be your estate. But it's an estate is made up of like a team of lawyers and like professionals, right? Right. So so they're ultimately deciding like and that's there's so much money in this that like I don't think it ends up being like this one was this this this uncle or this this cousin or this kid was closer to Michael. And so they are making executive decisions. I think this is so big that like these professionals are making these decisions on like a corporation level. I truly do not know how an estate works by any like at all. And I can't even like pretend to say like I can't even try to have a conversation pretending that I do like it is so beyond me. But I really don't get it. Can we look up because that's who called the shots for this. It's been a long time coming for this movie and like it wasn't easy even casting it. OK, and a state is the total sum of all property assets and liabilities, including bank accounts, real estate vehicles and personal belongings that's owned by a person at the time of their death that acts as legal entity holding these assets, which are then managed, tax and distributed by an executor. So their estate is actually. An animate. So the nanoman piece is the executor. And the executor is assigned pre-death. I believe by Michael, right? Yeah, surely. But like no one's ever happy. You know, like I'm sure like not one of. Michael's family members are satisfied for better or for worse. Like, I don't know, but, you know, it's never like, oh, yeah, this is exactly what I want. Yeah. I don't know how they call shots at all to be honest. I don't need. And like this is the kind of thing I'm saying, like we should have a lawyer on the podcast that like we don't know to ask these questions to like we don't need to be having like. Random people with followers like we need a lawyer. Well, I wonder if. I'm trying to think of I follow some lawyers on TikTok, but like. We can offline like let's get a lawyer and then another episode. I think we should do like scientists and stuff like that. Look, let's have Kim Kardashian. Did she pass the bar? Let's just have Kim. Not yet. Oh, not yet. When she passes the bar, let's get Kim Kardashian on the pod. Agree. We need someone that's like so well-versed in this, but not literally not like a serious lawyer like like fun lawyer, fun lawyer. Yeah. OK, movie. Yeah, hit us. Hey, guys, we want to take a quick break to thank a sponsor of today's episode. Nutri-ful. My hair is out. I'm burying it all today for the episode because this is our sponsor today. I love Nutri-ful. 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There was a, just like a little bit of something missing for me, like a darkness or depth or something that they couldn't go into, but it was good. Prompted this spiral. And I just, moral of the story is that the guy just had his childhood stolen from him. And that was really kind of what he was trying to do for the rest of his life was like, get that. He was always, he was kind of stuck in that spot. Like he really was like a big kid. Um, and that's kind of how everything hit the fan in a way. That, yeah. But he was like stunted kind of in a very heartbreaking way. Yeah. Obviously, like, I don't know enough about the thing. I just, I know hearsay as well. I think we like kind of went into this a while back and I think when the movie announced it was going to come out, we kind of did like a very sh... Like, isn't he bad? Well, we did a shallow, yeah, we did a Michael Phelps Tiger Woods style dive into like who Michael Jackson was. And then Macaulay Culkin, when the movie was released, remember, came out and was like, this is my friend, you know, like nothing weird happened. I spent a lot of time with him. I didn't have a lot of friends in the industry. And this guy took me under his wing and showed me a good time and what a kid should have because he lacked that. So we wanted to make sure that these like child stars were able to have that. That was what I got out of the Macaulay Culkin thing. I mean, again, it could, could be wrong. I can I ask a genuine question or next question for my heart? Yes. And I can try and answer it. Like, obviously, they didn't in the movie touch on that. It's obviously for legal reasons. I they would not get to any of the child abuse charges. Now, have we have there been like victims that have spoken out and been like, I was. Like how? Yeah. Oh, OK. So that's finding Neverland the document or leaving Neverland escaping Neverland. There was one of the Neverland documentaries was like people coming forward and being like, yes, I was abused, but it's tough because it was all after his death. And he there was he had a trial before and was acquitted of all charges. There was a big FBI investigation. No one found anything. And then after his death, a lot of people came forward. And then it was, you know, it's all it's tough because it's like, you don't want to like negate someone's claims and experiences, but also like he's not here to defend himself. He's been acquitted. I don't know. It's just a lot of hearsay. And so all I can do is go off of all of the media that I've consumed, which tells me. Michael was just a kid, truly. Yeah. The movie was good, though, was it fun? The movie fun? Yeah, the music. That's the thing, like the music and the performances were incredible. I was the only thing I got a little bit bored at the end because I think I just felt like it was leading up to something like big and soul crushing and it never got there. It was kind of like a little bit of an edging experience. Yeah. Um, I feel like all of those movies that like Rocket Man and Bohemian Rhapsody were missing like one big piece and the big piece that was missing were like things that would open a can of worms that are hard to shut. Yes. Yes. But I think those two movies went a little bit deeper than this one did. Yeah. Which is my critique, but also like what can you do when there's all the lawyers? Anyway, I would go see it. I like I'm only consuming Michael's stuff now. I have a few documentaries left on the dockets. His best friends growing up were a llama and a chimp. He had a giraffe. Like he literally was like just searching for like a connection and friendship and his childhood. And like that's that's what he had. His dad, Devil, like incarnate, worst guy that I have had the displeasure of meeting. Was it similar to Whitney or Amy Winehouse? Was it what? Similar to Amy Winehouse situation that just like pushing them. Shockingly don't know too much about Amy. Oh, my. My doppel. But I don't know, but he was played by Coleman Domingo, who I like adore. Yeah. And now I can't look at the guy. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. He could have an actor. He played the part too well. I cannot look at him. Like even like his interviews and like him on the red carpet, I like have to scroll. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. Crazy job, Coleman. Yeah. OK, well, I don't I don't know if I don't know if I'll go see it. Well, do you know about the Pepsi commercial where his hair lit on fire? No. There it was really horrifying. He was basically his dad forced him into like his dad was trying to just milk him for all that he was worth. And that was the Jackson five. And so when Michael was like going on his own journey and doing his own stuff, his dad was like, nope, you're going to do another Jackson five tour. And like, he really didn't want to. But like he did because he felt like he'd be letting the family down. And so when they were practicing, they were doing something for Pepsi and something exploded in his hair lit on fire. And he got like a really horrible second and third degree burns and was like rushed to the hospital and like. No way. Oh, yeah. Like his hair never grew back. Like that's like why he had a lot of problems with his hair. And he donated the entire all the money he got in the lawsuit back to the to the burn unit. Like he was always trying to just like help the people that. Needed it to him. Wow. Gorgeous. It like wasn't. I mean, it wasn't even like a thought. He was like, any money we get from this is going back to this unit. Pepsi Pepsi can't catch a break with its commercials. Can they? Well, this was the original like Kendall Jenner commercial. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like I can't think of like a Pepsi when. I don't know. Yeah, I don't like. People are saying that Pepsi is going to lose so much stock after this movie. Oh. Yeah. Which like I yeah, I get that. Just carelessness on set. Yeah. And like they just like. Didn't handle the situation like why is Michael in the line? Like giving the money back to the to the burning. And like Pepsi should have done something with the money from the commercial or like literally something. Well, yeah, I know. Well, it was a different. I mean, it was a different time where like now, if that ever happened, like you are forced to do that because of the power of the people online. You know, like that would have been the initial thing like make our PR was very. It wasn't really existing as much back then, was it? No, I'm also so interested in like the journey he went on with his appearance and confidence because that is what his dad did to him. Like that was his dad's form of abuse. In addition to physical abuse, he was like, you're so ugly. And like that's why Michael started getting those jobs. Wow. Yeah. It's all so crazy. Jinkies. Jinkies. Oh my God. Yeah. Well, it is my R.E. Roman Empire. Like I'll be here for a pretty long time. OK. Well, nice. It's fun to have something to deep dive into. I will be honest with that. And there's so much. Yeah. You know, my mom genuinely, if you talk to if we called her right now, she actually called her this morning and she didn't answer or call me back, which worries me. She was convinced fully with her chest as a teenager. She was marrying Michael Jackson and you couldn't still today. Like she she fully is like that was my first love and that's still my like. People don't talk about how much of a heartthrob he was and how deeply women felt for him. Can I say something like towards the end when he was kind of like I was I just saw that like like Jackson five to like present day, right? When you 2009, it is like. Shock, obviously, that was like like there was a lot that caused that. But like my mom was attracted to 2009, Michael, just because it was Michael's I understand, which is like I understand completely. That is just like I can't. It's hard for me to rap. No, I understand completely now. And also now that you know, like. It's it's like he was trying. Like he wasn't like. It wasn't intentional, really. Like he was trying to correct like the first like three nose jobs, like, yeah. Yeah, like he was trying. He was he had a complex about his nose, but and then it was like a lot of corrective surgery because he fucked it up. And so that's what happened there. Like he wasn't trying to like do all of that with his nose. And then the skinny had, I don't know how to say it. Fitz Vichill Joe, Vittaligo, Vittaligo, Vittaligo. And yeah, he was just like trying to even out his his skin tone and and it it was close to the sun. Well, but now that I feel like I know Michael so well from his youth, which I imagine your mom did, like I see him in 2009, Michael. Yeah. Whereas I think if you're like not familiar with his journey, those look like two separate people. Yeah. But now that I see younger Michael in 2009, Michael, I'm like, yeah, that's that's that's that's still Michael. Yeah. Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah. So and his voice last thing I'll say, probably not though. Um, that was not his real voice. He was just trying to protect his vocal cords. So he he'd spoken that really like high pitched register to protect his vocal chords, but that was not his real voice. And sometimes in interviews, you can hear him slip into his real voice and it's very jarring because it's deep. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know that. Let me read you a letter that he wrote to his driver. Cause basically his dad was just like so abusive that he had these really strong paternal connections with both his security guard and his driver who to this day will ride for him like no matter what they're like, Michael is our son and the most amazing man. Um, sorry. Actually, so I sent this note to every single person in my family and a group chat, so I'm just looking for that group chat. Cause obviously I've been FaceTiming everyone. I know just to talk. Cause like my grandparents were around, you know, around when he was around and I'm like, what was your experience like with Michael, et cetera. You were asking them. I asked every person in my family older than like 50. So yeah. Talk to Susie. One of the biggest Michael fans I know. Oh, this is what Michael, this is a letter Michael wrote to his driver, his driver. Okay, go Bill. It's been a long road. We've traveled throughout the years, concerts, tours, meetings, dignitaries, kings and queens of countries, touring around the world twice, making people happy through the gift and love of music. I'm coming of age now and nearly realize the importance of true love. Joseph, that's his dad and his dad was like, call me Joseph. Oh, that's why Michael was so insistent on his kids calling, calling him daddy. Um, Joseph never even had time for me. He only saw me as a way for him to make money. And as you know, mother was a perfect mother, but I never was with her. My childhood was on stage away from mother. What I'm simply trying to say is thank you for being a father. I don't know what I would have, what would have happened to me if you were not around. I love you, MJ. That's, that stays with you. That stays with you. How is his driver today? What is his driver doing? Did he end up? I don't know the driver as well as I do his security guard. Bill, no, Bill's driver security guard was in the movie and they have a really close connection. Were they like well taken care of? Oh yes. Oh, absolutely. Poshimously. I don't, well, like I would like to think so, but I don't know what the estate is up to. And I think because Michael died so unexpectedly, like I don't know how much his affairs were in order. Probably that's probably you prepare if you're someone like Michael Jackson. Yeah, I don't know who the executor is. We should have him on the pod. We need to have Michael Jackson's executor. I don't imagine he had one executor that'd be like genuinely being the CFO of a significantly large agency. In a large country that like is relevant indefinitely. There's also all these. It's one, it's one person. Oh, it's John. It's John. I know John. He was played by Miles Teller in the film. He's a good guy and he had Michael's best. John Bronca and John McClain. I don't know if I know John McClain, but I do know John Bronca well. So they've been responding. Executors of the probate estate and the trustees of Michael Jackson Family Geez, that's crazy. As of 2025 to 2026, the executors have faced scrutiny from beneficiary, Paris, Jackson regarding high legal fees and management decisions with the executors arguing their actions have been in the best interest of the estate. It's hard to. Yeah. These states assets are designed to benefit Michael Jackson's mother, Catherine and his three children, Prince, Paris. And is it biggie or BG? BG that formerly blanket. Wait, where's Oh, I was going to say, where's blanket? OK, I see. OK, cool. Well, interesting. Well, I'm sure. I'm not going to see it. I don't think that's I. I don't know, maybe maybe when it comes out on my TV. OK, anyway, that's that. My favorite song, I would like to watch the Thriller music video in. The bonus, if you don't mind. No, let's do it. That'd be lovely. He really was the first to do it like that. That's what I'll say about that. Do you want to in like probably 2000, I would say maybe 2009, all of the moms in my neighborhood dressed up like zombies and they did the Thriller dance and it was like really funny. They like choreographed it and they did it in a parking lot. There was also a part of the movie I didn't understand about Michael kind of uniting the bloods and the crypts. And like ending that. Which I was like, wait, what? Did you know that? No. Me neither. So a little bit fuzzy for me. He had them both on set for what song was it? Beat it. He was kind of having them join forces. I'm not sure how that ended. It was a it was a random part of the movie that was a question mark for me. Let's see. Michael Jackson cast 80 members of the Los Angeles crypts and Bloods for the music video beat it in hopes to foster peace between them. Yeah, that's true. But I don't know if it worked. It didn't. Maybe that day they had peace in that moment, which is nice. Wow. Well, I'm going to have trouble moving forward from this because nothing is going to be as utmost utmost utmost up, mo important. It's it's going to really just sound really stupid. That's fine. Let's end with what I say. I don't like I don't want to I don't want to be the next. I don't want to I don't want to say the next thing. Try. Maybe I go into something like stupidest thing that's on my list of things to talk about. Yeah, start with the most stupid. OK. It's stupid to many, but to me, I like it. They just they just released six, seven shaped chicken nuggets. And when you say what is six, seven shaped, it's sixes and sevens. And I just want to say, like, if you if anyone has like a qualm with the six, seven nuggets, I want I need to remind you and need I raise you Shrek Green and Purple Ketchup, which I had to have in the home and my parents gladly bought for me. Yeah. Like the kids yearn for like novelty. You know, you'll never catch me upset about six, seven, because like it makes people happy. It does. It makes people happy. It's so harmless. Something harmless that brings joy like this. And by the way, I fuck with Purdue nuggets. I was going to say Purdue making these like that's so six, seven. That is so six, seven. And like those smears so good because like they're so good right out of the fridge. Like no oven necessary to me. Yeah. Right out of the freezer. Well, I like the refrigerated ones. I like to put them in my ice water and make it hint of hint of six, seven nugget. Nice. Hint of chicken. Did you get the Shrek ketchup? No, I don't remember the Shrek ketchup. Oh, we got to pull up the Shrek ketchup computer. Show me Shrek ketchup. It was so good. It was green and purple. I knew it. Easy score. How did I not have that? So the one the one flavor is Shrek. And I think the other flavor was dragon, the dragon white. Yeah. And then they had the red flavor and it was Fiona because she had she has. And then I started thinking when the red was Fiona that maybe it's like like Fiona bleeds red because she's a human. Shrek bleeds green because he's a he's a he's a goblin. I feel like anything Fiona would have bled green. Like maybe her heart is green. I think she bleeds green. Oh, did Shrek ketchup have a recall? Oh, I see. I see what you're seeing. Yeah. Well, maybe the flavor, the flavor described as blast and green, obviously, like that I was blasting all over my eggs and stuff in the morning. It's funny. Could you imagine RFK Junior talking about blast and green Shrek ketchup? Yes, honestly. That's what I was I was raised on this. So the autism that he says is caused by Tylenol was definitely probably caused by blast and green. Easy, squirt, Shrek flavored ketchup. I think it's all possible that Michael Jackson was on the spectrum. That's totally possible. This morning, I sent you that Snapchat that I used my myself top today just as like saying goodbye to it as my as I move out. And I made this delicious meal. And then there was a ton of mold in my cheese. That sucks because besides the mold, that looked so good. I ate it. Did you scrape the mold off? I got as much of it as I could. But then I convinced myself in one area. I convinced myself. Any dairy that has mold in it, like I'm obviously not going to drink like chunk chunky milk, but like, isn't mold like really a part of dairy in a big way? Or no, no, no. Made that up. About like. Oh, wait, you're talking about cheese. Isn't cheese mold? I think cheese is moldy milk. No, yogurt is moldy. I don't know. No, yogurt's not moldy. Cheese is moldy. Cheese is edible mold. Tim, like that's why like cheese is gross. Unless it's mozzarella or barata. Or cheddar when it's melted. Cheese, cheese is mold. And Parmesan on pasta. Shrimps is bugs. Men with vapes are ladies. What? Thank you. Is he always there for me? What's that from? Cheese is mold, shrimps is bugs. Men with vapes is ladies. What is men with vapes is ladies from? Ladies, ladies, please. I'm trying to work, Tyshift. Nice. Thanks. Did you see my shirt? Yes, I keep meaning like you keep start talking and then I'm like, oh, Connor, sure is amazing. Let me bring it up and then I forget by the time you're done. I love that. Did someone give that to you at a show? No, I bought it myself. Is it was it just like online? I got an ad, a targeted ad for a shirt that says let Papa cook. That's amazing. And you know what company it's from? No. The Life is Good company. That's that company. Life is good. Their whole company is like, I'm a stick figure and I have a family. Yeah. And I grill. It's pretty great. No, it's just that pop dad central dad core. So dad core. OK, before. We leave you. I want to really quickly talk about how much time do we have? Two minutes. And I would actually even argue like one 30 because of how much I need to be. OK, White Lotus has lost. We lost a good one. Helena Bonham, Bowman. What's her name? Bonham Carter. Bonham Carter. Replace with Laura Dern. I would not. And did you know she didn't know until she got to set that the character Mike White created for her was cute, but no longer a match. Yeah, you know that all it was cute, but no longer a match. I want to know what the character was. It sucks. I need to know if this and I think I think that they rewrote this character because Laura Dern's already been in White Lotus. Her voice is already in White Lotus. I know, I feel like they're just going to be like that didn't happen. I promise you, Mike White does not flick away a character that he's created. What was she was Michael Imperiali's ex-wife? Yeah. I promise she's that character. We had to it was so cute, not a match with Helena. So she's gone and now we're rewriting the character. So it's like if it was so cute, not a match, that's fine. But like if you're rewriting the character anyway, like why wouldn't you just rewrite it for something that's cuter and a man? There was a fall. There was a fall. There was a total falling out. And I think it could be truly because like Helena Bonham. And this is from my reading. I want to say. I just spent 30 minutes talking about Michael Jackson being OK, well, because this is free of any wrongdoing. So this is complete hearsay. But like I think that OK, this is complete hearsay. I'm just saying what I wrote, what I read. It's it's said that she's she she is and rightfully so kind of like a diva and she smells. She's a smelly diva. I could see her doing like a non deodorant type of approach. She's very British and she's very theatrical. And she's also played like a witch and a sorceress for so many years. This evil I need. I really wanted to see that. Could you imagine? Yeah. And so I think that this she probably got there and was like, wait, never mind, I don't need to play like a villain. And the villain is just like this white rich lady, you know, like she's like, I have to cast a spell. I don't know. I didn't come here smelling like smelling like how I smelled. I'd be just a lady at a resort. I really don't know. But I could see it. I could definitely see it not being a match. I know that upsets me. I know. But like Laura Dern is like pretty damn great. You know, I love Laura Dern. I really also think Joan Cusack could be in white lotus very easily. And I say once again, with my chest cast Joan Cusack more agree. Did I miss the day they announced Max Greenfield is in it? Yeah, he was in one of those like batches. I must have missed that to have him and Christmasina. So like Mindy Project and New Girl collab is so awesome. I think that this could be a funny bit where they someone announced they just do week after week announcing like a group of 11 people that are on white lotus until it's like 450 people on white lotus. That's fun. And it's they just never actually have the show. I think that would be just really awesome. You got I love that. I watch all of beef. I haven't even seen season one of that. You I mean, if you if you get really bored, it's it's it's getting really good right now. I need to watch it. But I want to talk to someone about it. I'm going to get in trouble. I'll watch for next week. I can't talk about. Acting skills in shows anymore, like because I always have something to say. And it's going to come back and bite me in the ass. But like I have been shocked by. Some stuff recently. OK. Negative connotation. Are you able to tell us in the bonus? Yeah. Yeah. OK. Yeah, I'll talk about it on that note. Like I have to go go pee. Yeah. OK. And that's all I got. I mean, I have a lot more stuff for the bonus. So you want to catch up in the bonus. And then I have to get the hell out of here because they're going to come into my apartment with potential tenants and I'm going to be like, hey, come on the podcast. OK, bye, Brooke. OK, love you. Bye. See you in the bonus. See you guys. Thank you for listening. See you. Bye.