CES 2026 Actually Has Some Bangers?

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It's good to be back It's really good to be back And since we took the last week of the year off There's actually a ton of stuff to talk about So much And it's CES So we have plenty of that We also have an AR glasses startup That's in a bit of a pickle Wait, wait I just got it Thank you Sorry I'm a little rusty CES of course But also we're going to wrap it up with some 2026 predictions Because it's the first episode of the year And we like to do that sort of stuff uh it's been like two weeks since we had our first but first but first ellis someone asked my battery percentage uh what's your battery percentage now my battery percentage is 41 percent but not for the reason you think what happened ellis yeah what's going on over there from my instagram slash reddit but what is it pause for a dramatic effect this guy This purple guy. Were you sitting on that? He's laid to rest. The iPhone mini, people. The beautiful iPhone 12 mini, no case, purple finish, 64 gigabytes. She's done. No longer. We now have the silver 17 Pro. You got the exact correct model. It's beautiful. This is a massive change for you. It's crazy how much I missed. I jumped five generations of iPhone in one go. This is what it's all about. You wait as long as you possibly can until your phone is on its dying breath. It's crazy. And now, dude, I am downloading apps. Like, nobody says, I think of an app. I'm walking to the street, I'm like, the Target app. I shop at Target on my phone now. It's crazy, you guys. What is the, so you're at 46% because you didn't charge it. Because I never need to charge this phone. I'm never charging it, I swear. And then it's beautiful. It's beautiful. I go to sleep with it in my hand, wake up. There's still, like, 50% battery life left. I'm on the same. There's a tangent, but I haven't charged a OnePlus 15 since a few days ago. It's at 52% because I just don't charge it. No, it's sick. You go over to your girlfriend's house, and you're like, I left a phone charger at home. Doesn't matter. Who cares? Literally, who cares? Wait, your girlfriend doesn't have a USB-C charger? Doesn't matter if she does or doesn't. I didn't even ask. Not even worried. Yeah. All right. Camera control, I like it. Just to open the camera? You don't deserve that phone. How long is it? So camera control is really nice for the first two weeks, I would say. I just used it to open the camera. Same. So I actually have it set to open the Moment Pro camera, which the slider doesn't interact with. That's right. In the actual Apple camera app, I use it all the time, though. And I have it, because you know how you can order the, you can turn on or off different things it controls. Yeah. And then you can also change what it controls by default and the order of the options in the menu. And once you have that tuned, because I'm always changing the exposure of the Apple camera app. I had to do tone, and I just thought I was going to use that all the time, and then I just stopped using it. Oh, I use it. I love it. I'm a camera control demon. Wow. Okay. Yeah. All right. Action button. i'm kind of so so on oh wow oh just wait i just haven't i haven't found a thing that i'm like i would like to start the countdown timer until this flips yeah where you're an action button demon and you're like i'm kind of done with camera control i just kind of point and shoot the photos are all pretty good but action oh i can't live without the action button anymore really what is your action button set to uh it opens my to-do list app formerly was opening my camera app but there's just so many ways to open the camera yeah that's true i gotta say i haven't use my action button in a while. It is tied to Gemini voice mode, and I just don't use that very much anymore. Wait, can any of you shortcuts people? That is what the action button is for. Whatever Apple gave you, ignore it. Just make it shortcuts. That's a good take. It's just shortcuts aren't that good yet. We all know what the iPhone 17 Pro is. We did a review on it. What broke the camel's back? Yeah, like, We've been doing this for like two years of when are you going to upgrade it? No one's asking the question of like why. What happened? There was something. Let's see. It was the end of the year. It was cold. Yeah. We were about to go on break. The battery is even worse when it's cold. I hadn't gotten sick yet. I was like sick all the whole holidays. I don't remember. There was something where like I needed to do something or that was like only in an app and my phone just like would not download it. or like it was the thing because like the I think I've mentioned this a bunch of times but the biggest problem with the 12 mini in its current state was that the digitizer was so bad it was the memory it was just having so much trouble memory swapping and so the digitizer was always crashing and so it was like 60 percent of my touch inputs would either just not register or register in a completely random wrong place and then if any of if any of the screen conditions changed like for example like a drop of water or a speck of dust like hit any part of the screen and the capacitance changed i would have to fully lock and unlock the phone for the digitizer to like reset like using a phone underwater and it kind of right and then like um you know what it really what you know it broke the camel's back actually it was the memory swap had gotten so bad that most of the time the lock and unlock button, it wouldn't recognize presses. Like, the button itself was fine. It was that, like, the command was so late. And then I'd get frustrated, and I'd, like, hit it a bunch of times, which would trigger Siri. That's distraught. Why do you have Siri on? And then Siri would... Siri uses so much RAM that the memory swap would entirely fail, and the phone would just crash. And so I'd be in the process of trying to lock my phone so I could put it in my pocket, and end up just, like, fully crashing it and boot cycling it. And I was just like... And I just realized, like, I wasn't going to make it another calendar year. How do you feel about the size now that you're... You know what's really funny? The first week or two I had it, I was so convinced they accidentally sold me the Pro Max. I was like, this is enormous. I kept going into my phone and, like, looking at, like, the about me to be like, it's Pro. Oh, it says Pro. And then I'd look at the box and be like, but it says, I'm sure it's a phone. And then I'd see someone on, like, a plane or on the street and be like, their Pro looks, it looks smaller than mine. I have to have the Pro. It's funny because when I handle a regular Pro, I'm like, this is the tiniest phone I've ever held in my life. Yeah, I'm totally used to it now. This feels tiny. And also what's really funny is they're pretty similar weights. That is funny. With the Unisoddy. You know, the titanium would have even been 10% lighter. Did you ever play Mario Party 2? No, not at all. There's a game called Dizzy Dancing where all the controls are backwards. Oh, I do know that. And that's what it sounds like using your 12 mini was like. Every time you try and do something, it does the opposite. Speaking of all the controls being backwards, really quick. So I'm using a 2008 Mac Pro at home. Damn. Yeah, it's running Mac OS Yosemite. It's almost 20 years old. It's air gaps. Is Yosemite the first one? I can almost drink. Wait, is Yosemite after High Sierra? No, it's before. So you're still running 32-bit apps. That's right. Hell yeah. Well, I'm not running any apps on my computer. But for some reason, the mouse decided that left is right. Up is still up and down is still down, but left is right and right is left. Is this a logic mouse? No, you can fix that in the settings. A magic mouse? No, it's like a default. No, it's in the macOS settings. When I move the mouse to the right, it goes left. What? What? No, that's in there for some reason. Are you sure? I remember, like, when you're a kid and your computer doesn't have any games, and so you just f*** them at the settings and all that. I remember finding it. Because it was very normal for the last year, and then I woke up one day, and I was like, wait, what kind of mouse is this? It's literally, like, the cheapest, like, I think it's, what is the Best Buy, like, Insignia? Oh. It's horrible. That might just be the mouse. Well, yeah, I mean, I think something happened to that. I knew someone who was lefty who used a righty mouse upside down in their left hand. Stop. So they clicked it with their palm? Yeah. Ew. It was a whole... Anyway. Okay. All right. Well, but I do have one more thing. Okay. I have something else. Oh, great, because we went a long time without our one-way. We all have a couple of times. It's not a line, by the way. No, it's literally all... Okay, the mouse thing. Everything else. I need to close out this by saying there were so many people that even when I teased the the fact that I got a new phone, like, reached out in agony. Like, the amount of comments I got that were just like, no, no, no. I think we should have a burial. We'll just glue it to the thing behind you. I have a framed picture of this with a halo over it in the audio room, and then I'll probably just not charge my phone on Tuesday night so you can still ask me what my battery percentage is. Hell yeah. So we can keep it going. I'd have to be a degenerate somehow. That's going to be awesome. Yeah. We should just have it behind you. But I'm sorry to everyone who wanted to see my life continue to shock. To all my haters. So my quick story is I finally got the Hasselblad X2D Mark II. Bingo! Now you might be wondering, Marquez, how did you get it? What was going on? The long backstory is I ordered the Hasselblad X2D Mark II and the 35-100 from B&H in August of last year. So it's been six months since I placed my order. So waiting, waiting, waiting. And it says, like, yes, it's a new item. It's back ordered. It's in high demand. Like, we'll get to your order in the order it was received. Fine. I get an order saying, oh, expect your order sometime in September in this rough section of weeks. That time comes and goes. They send me another update automated saying, actually, December, sometime in this span in December. I said, all right, you know what? Fine. And, you know, I have our review unit. It was fine. I said, I'll wait. That span in December comes and goes. I get another automated email saying sometime in January. Now it's the second week of January. I'm starting to think, I don't know if I'm going to get this order from B&H or not. Maybe I should just cancel this and, you know, try Adorama or something else. Like someone else might have it in stock. I start poking around, seeing who has it in stock. On Monday of this week, I call B&H and I go, hey, I have this order in my account. You've got to scroll down a little bit. It's from August, six months ago. It's for this Hasselblad camera. Do you know anything about this order? if there's any update of when I might get it. The guy pauses for a second. He goes, oh, yeah, this Hasselblad. Hold on. Give me one second real quick. Oh, yeah. Looks like it just got to us today, and we'll be shipping out to you tomorrow. Cap. Yeah, there's no way that happened. What? They forgot about you, Marquez. They forgot about you. Sure enough, yesterday it shipped. Today it arrived. They forgot about your order. So. 100%. Either. All you had to do was call this whole time. Either it was an unbelievable coincidence, or they have it set up to where these are very, very backordered, but if you don't call, they just don't prioritize you. But if you do call, then they'll front you in the queue, and maybe if they recognize your name, they put you at the top of the list or something. But, like, I called, and then, oh, yeah, yeah, shipping tomorrow. That sounded incredibly suspicious to me. I guess they forgot. How do you forget? They've never forgotten an order from me in my life. That's what, well, honestly. They don't even take orders on Saturdays. To be fair. online. You can't even order something on that. But they've been sending me those automated back-ordered please wait emails. So they had it in the system. It was just a matter of... Truthfully, I guess I was saying I don't think they have the priority queue. My guess is if it was a mistake they forgot. I actually weirdly believe that it was a coincidence. The NHS is so good with us. Right across the river, every time I order something, the next day it shows up. If it's in stock, it shows up super fast. This is a rare, high-demand backordered item with like reviews trickling in from people getting it and i was just like when am i going to get mine and people being scared it might not come because of the dji yeah hustle blood for those who don't know is owned by dji and there's at least some sort of dji ban on new products but this is not a new product it's six months old as we know so the the band's coming up on now but the product is not new anymore so it's confusing but hey that's my update it showed up i took it out the box today it was so it came in it came in literally like 20 minutes and boxed 20 minutes. He literally unboxed it and then is like, all right, I'm ready to pop. I didn't have to open it and look at it. It's a real reveal. Yes. Very nice. I have a quick thing. Yeah. Nothing personal. Well, it's kind of personal. Oh, it's not really that personal. This happened. We recorded Wednesday, like two weeks ago. This got released on Thursday. Our episode came out Friday, but we missed it. But people in our, in our discord were upset that we didn't talk about it. They weren't upset. They were just like, look what happened. Look what happened. Android QPR3 Beta 1 is allowing Pixel users to toggle off at a glance on your home screen. They finally did it. Go. It's the best thing ever. Man, this would be the biggest news of the day because I was still dealing with Pixel. There was a Reddit post a few weeks ago that was like, why hasn't the Waveform podcast talked about how you can't toggle off at a glance? And I was like, okay, we have talked about this So many times, first of all. Second of all, it is going to happen in like a week. What was that one? There was very specifically like a, why didn't they talk about this? And all the comments were like, Andrew, f***ing others. Every other week. He actually has to stop talking about it. Every week there's a counter. Yeah. Yeah. That's incredible. Well, shout out to the pixel failures out there. All right. So it's 2026. What's happening in 2026? First item I would consider bad news. But it is the ROG phone and the Zen phone are no more, at least for 2026. They are not discontinued, but they're not going to do a new one for 2026. The headlines are great at baiting this. Pretty grim. It was like the Zen phone and the ROG phone are discontinued in 2026. That's not what I mean. It's almost like when a player is suspended with no definitive return date. Crispo. Indefinitely. Yeah, indefinitely. It's an indefinite thing. So it's like, oh, for 2026, it's not coming back. But they're not saying there is a 2027. We're just going to have to play it by ear. And the Zenfone was effectively canceled. Like, they made this new Zenfone Ultra last year, and it was not even close to the same type of thing. So, yeah, down goes that. Down goes ROG Phone. Right as they were kind of becoming a mainstream phone. They were kind of, like, taking the teeth out of it, and it was sort of a gaming issue. Maybe they just saw that the ROG conversion to a normie phone did not work. Maybe that's what they were saying. It was kind of, you know how eventually every enthusiast device becomes the opposite of what you want? Yeah. It was kind of that. Like, it was very much the gaming phone for a while, and then they decided they wanted to sell it to more people, and they kind of added wireless charging and made the screen on the back a little smaller and a little bit softer and a little bit less aggressive, and suddenly it's just a phone. Yeah. And those people who wanted the gaming phone didn't buy it. The people who wanted a regular phone weren't about to go get an RPG phone, so it just kind of fizzled. And now here we are. When you're for everyone, you're for no one. That's what they say. That's VARs. I thought it was if you stand for nothing, then what will you fall for? Also VARs. I'd fall for you. If everyone is good, then no one is good. True, yeah, I guess. Speaking of pixels. I'm just like, I think what I said is a real quote. All right, what happened with this pickle? Do you want to get into the pickle? This is a big thing. I am aware of the pickle situation solely by... I can't believe I said this sentence. I'm aware of the pickle situation solely by, like, a handful of tweets. All I've seen is, first, there was an announcement of a new AR headset, glasses headset, called Pickle at pickle.com. Yeah. And it had this really long, like, five-minute hype video about how this is the computer for the soul, and it was this full, you know, AR experience with this wide field of view and 12-hour battery life and all this amazing stuff. And I'm being tagged constantly in comments about it. Oh, are you? Marquez, Marquez, Marquez, Marquez, look at this thing. This is probably not real. And so I went ahead to pickle.com and placed my preorder. because I'm the type of person that gives it the benefit of the doubt. I understand the, what's the opposite of that when you're like, when you're cynical. I understand the cynical version of this, which is, this is fake, this is a scam, I don't believe anything that's coming out of these people's mouths, but I'm supposed to be giving everything a fair shot. I'm a tech reviewer. Why go pre-order an Apple product and then not go pre-order the pickle product, which could be. maybe because of the name could be awesome right so i watched the video this looks really interesting it's a technology i think would be really cool i pre-order right i give them my money i think it's like 200 before you get to that do you want me to do i have like a rundown of what the boxes are yeah let me yeah you can give like the high levels i'm gonna try and go pretty quick here sure also why it's called do you know why it's called no um clever i guess okay so not really let's see this this launched on january 1st the the video that kind of went around and it was making its rounds on Twitter all over the place, partially because Twitter is, like, super optimistic about any tech that they could pretend to invest in and also really cynical about tech because of people like Humane that just scammed a bunch of people. So, these glasses, they're AR glasses. They call them a sole computer, whatever the f*** that means. And, like, the easiest way to describe them is, do you know those, like, silver Oakley 90s sunglasses? Like, imagine those without a bottom like the the they're really sleek looking pretty modern they kind of have like two black boxes for some sort of sensor presumably on the side but they're very small very sleek um so uh they claim that in this video they released they kind of do a keynote sort of keynote presentation about what they are um they claim they're 68 grams they claim they have one of the widest field of views and brightnesses designed for everyday life um it shows examples of how it might be used maybe you're like looking at designs on cookies or you're looking at a guitar on how to play a certain song and it's showing the things in your field of view um they then say it's the lightest personal computer in history remember that line later um and it's ai focused but in this way that's like it wants to ask you questions before you would ask it questions yeah so the examples they used were like you your plane lands and you get your baggage and you're like walking out to the door and it's like do you want me to call you a rideshare or um what was the other one they said uh oh it's like she's about to throw out this toy and it's like no look at all these pictures of blah blah that's their favorite toy like don't do that bad um because that's parents need to ai to tell them what toy their kid's favorite is um yes and so yeah they show like a live demo where this their big thing is all this ai is behind these like avatars which there was like a cat there was a music note there was some like anime girl there's a lot of weird things but i didn't think that was the weirdest part of it honestly um and then they have something called pickle os which is a memory-based operating system where it seems along the lines of it like it watches what you're doing and creates these like memory bubbles that then go to pickle os and then you can go to like pickle.com and go to pickle os there and there's this like huge web of like memory bubbles and then the ai and that will use those as context yeah it felt sounds like the rabbit os thing it's i thought it sounded like a rabbit rabbit hole because yeah i think the thing that got me about this was the idea of augmenting slash improving human life in general and and doing it through something that you wear so you're always wearing it and it's always collecting information, it requires something that can last all day and actually that you wear all day. So I don't know if you saw Razer at CES just announced an AR slash AI headset of headphones with cameras on them. Yeah. And it's like they can still see what's in front of you and that you have all these experiences. And it has a longer battery because it's headphones and all that. But it's like, I'm not going to walk around wearing massive headphones all day. So this is a pair of glasses that theoretically someone might want to actually wear all day, and so it collects your memories all day, and it can help you out with the AR display in your field of view all day, which is like an interesting idea for a product. Yeah, that's what everyone wants to do right now. Everyone wants to be your memory. But you might also remember the AR glasses that I reviewed, or at least showed from Meta, have like a three-hour battery life or something like that. like there's no way those would last all day. They're also a little too heavy to wear all day. So Pickle comes along. This is a company we've never heard of with a bunch of people we've never seen before that are claiming all these world's firsts and a 12-hour battery life and being lighter than anything we've ever seen. So it comes across really hard to believe, but it's still an interesting idea for a product. That's where I landed with it. Yeah, so it's going to be $1,400, but there's an early adopter $900 pre-order right now with a refundable $200 deposit. They're claiming batch two should be out by Q4 2026. So that's a pretty... In a year. Yeah, that's optimistic. It's both optimistic and annoyingly far out. I've talked about products just being announced way before they're done. This is one of those things. When I talk about the Neo robot, it was the same thing. oh, well, we need all this data and all this AI collection and all this stuff, but we can't get that unless it's in people's homes. So we just have to announce this and then just hope it starts working and gathering info and starts becoming good. This isn't even ready to start shipping yet. So they're announcing all these capabilities. There's batch two. They're claiming batch one's coming out by Q2, which is very small. A couple months from now it'll start shipping, but it's like what do I have to base my either cynicism or optimism off of? Just the videos. Well, and that kind of becomes one of the issues here is this turns into this gigantic Twitter argument, which I don't really feel like getting into because Twitter arguments are never worth getting into. I can summarize it pretty fast. I mean, basically what it boils down to is somebody taking all the things that they claimed and showing why that's not possible to then the CEO of Pickle writing this manifesto-esque document, like trying to rebuttal everything. Huge tweet. which the the tldr of all of it is there's no way you can have this battery like there's no way you can have this type of compute there's no way you can have this lightness to which they basically respond well yeah but all of it is attached to your phone which is which does all the computing and that's how we can accept all of this wait wait wait wait what yep exactly with a cable not a cable it is wireless but your phone is doing all the computing apparently the cameras are really low quality they're not meant for really capturing things they're meant for seeing things in context which that whole memory sphere thing makes no sense now because it weren't all it can use context but like i want to see my little bubbles in pickle os so okay yeah i think the general sentence the general vibe that i got was this guy i forgot his name but this guy on twitter being like hey pickle people you are over promising that's what he's saying you're overpromising and he goes through all the ways that they're overpromising and then i read the like response basically from the i guess ceo which goes through all the ways that he's talking about how they're not overpromising one of them was on battery life he's like you're overpromising 12 hour battery life is insane med is getting three hours how are you going to promise this and the response was essentially we are still getting like three to four hours of active ar use on display but in between we are getting a longer standby life because we're using a dual chip architecture. We have a high power chip for all the AR stuff and then a low power background chip. This has been proven in wearables before. We have a low power standby mode and then we have a high power in use mode. So it's going to be able to last 12 hours because the low power chip runs in between all the AR use and the mixed use will still get you three to four hours of AR. That was his response. The other thing about over promising was like field of view. He's like, well, how are you going to get 30 degrees of field of view if Meta is only getting 20? To which the builder basically replies, just because Meta's done 20 doesn't mean 30 is impossible. Well, fine. And to be fair, the guy said 30 is possible, but it just doesn't seem like with the specs and lightness and everything that they're using, it does not seem possible. Yeah, and so basically it just kind of goes down the list one by one of this guy going, you're overpromising, and then the CEO going, well, we're making it, so that's going to have to be the proof, is them actually shipping what they claim. But the one thing that seems the most disputed is their website, and a lot of the claims in the videos used to say that this was a standalone device where you just buy the glasses and they do the thing. And now their website and a lot of the claims sort of rest on the fact that this is actually not a standalone device. It relies on your phone. It connects to your phone. You use this phone for your setup, and then it constantly uses the phone for a lot of other things. That's the main thing that I think they're caught with that they have to admit now. Great. Well, because in the video, they never claim it connects to a phone. He calls it a personal supercomputer multiple times. And then, like, he, on the website, this is the original thing, he said, do I need a smartphone to use Pickle One? It says, Pickle One is a standalone device but pairs with Pickle OS app on iOS and Android for initial setup, data management, and granular privacy control. So, like, it says. Which is humane first that it does not need your phone after you set it up. But then his way of explaining, yeah, like, that it needs, or his way of explaining how it can do so much of this stuff on a long battery life and be so light is because so much compute is coming from your phone. And now they've gone, there's this weird bet they have going on with it. It's all, don't read it. It's not worth it. On the camera thing that you mentioned, which is interesting, he talks a lot in that huge tweet about how much power and how much extra hardware it takes to do high-quality video and photo recording. like the metaglasses do, like everyone uses that for first-person video. Those big, heavy sensors and all the compute for processing to do that are not in this. This is like a low-powered, low-res camera that has enough information to see what's going on in front of you, but isn't like a high-quality recording for your memory. This is also a standout about why this video felt weird, because at a point in it, it claims to do a live demo, which you would assume is coming because he's doing it in front of the cameras and then it's showing his point of view seeing the cameras but the quality is fairly good it's coming from it which basically proves that it's not a live demo didn't he admit that everything in the video was done in after effects yeah i missed that okay so that's not a live demo yeah but the thing is like you can't you it's very difficult to record what you would actually see in a way that replicates like what the human eye was, which is why when we did the metaglasses, we used an overlay, and then we had to take a separate recording and then overlay the UI over the recording. It was like a whole thing. But he's using the – it makes it seem like he's using the cameras from the glasses to look forward, and then they would overlay with After Effects. I don't think he's even using those cameras because the quality was higher than what he's claiming. Yeah, a lot of misleading stuff in that demo. It's a million red flags. Yeah. Yeah. It just seems like everyone is trying to figure out the way to make the right context computer. And I can, if it is actually like low resolution video that you don't really need to watch, but it just gets context about your life, that's what they're trying to do here. But it is confusing and misleading when all of the assets on the website, all of the assets that they post on Twitter are these videos that show this like high quality, like, oh, here's all this data coming in on the side, and it's this video of your life, and the Pickle OS website shows you your actual memories of your kids and everything you're doing, and that's just not what it's doing. I think I guess the challenge is trying to illustrate what the human eye will see. Right. So the human eye will see high-quality real world, and then an overlay on top of it. Right. But the captures from the cameras will not be high-quality. Which is fine. Which is fine, but they're not distinguishing that. They're just making a pretty video. And it makes the Pickle OS website a little confusing because when you have those memory bubbles, what are you actually going to see? So I think it wants to be the context for the AI chatbot in there of that it can then use the context of your life. But when I first see that, I think to myself like, whoa, I can see all these memories, which I can, but they're just going to be in very low quality. Have you tried the OS on the website? It says, like, sign up with your Google account, and then I didn't really know what to do with it because I don't have anything to do. There's one other Twitter response kind of where apparently in November they had had a, like, really, really small event where you could, like, a demo event. Yeah. And so somebody had responded to an old tweet of someone saying they were there, and the person who was there named Will said, the demo didn't work and the displays were not in the units. Daniel Park, the CEO, says, I'm sorry, it didn't work for you. It did work for about 90% of the participants. And then the guy responds, 90% is definitely a stretch for the demo day feedback. I went with a group of four people out of 30 participants. One of my friends arrived early. The other three of us arrived later. The demo route had like 15 people, and I didn't meet a single person who could share an experience trying it out. And then he says, not a huge issue. You guys are moving fast, super excited. What? But it just feels weird that he's like, oh, it was a network issue, why it wasn't working early on. But, like, everyone else got it to work. And he's like, but I was the one later. And it just didn't have displays in it. It didn't work at all. Yeah, those early demos are cooked. Same thing with Rabbit, right? This is like... Those old days of Rabbit demos. Yeah. Yeah. That just did not work. Because they're like, we're doing it live. It looks like the... So you can try the website, which I guess is just trying it without actually using anything. So there's no memories. You have to... You connect your Gmail, your Google Calendar, your Slack, your Notion, your ChatGPT, your Claude, your granola your fireflies your fathom your tl it has a bunch of third-party connections you can do like i mean part of the context of your life yeah at least that at least they figured that out early maybe you know what i mean or it's all on the website that's the sad part about all this is i actually i kind of like the idea of like thinking about what could the post smartphone personal computer be and all these early examples we're seeing are all pretty bad yeah like if you go all way back to the humane pin which is trying to be a post smartphone personal computer with ai context awareness blah blah or even a rabbit or even the whatever other stuff i have on my desk that i bought that i haven't tried yet which is like a personal assistant you wear on your neck like a necklace man i need you to try the friends like the most impressive tech demos i've seen have been from the meta ones because of the literal field of view and image overlaid over the real world like that was pretty cool but still like i don't want to wear those every day it's kind of heavy it only has a three hour battery life so at this point it's still only just been interesting slices of like how that world could look just oh what if it was glasses oh what if it was a pin what if it was a necklace oh what if it had really cool displays and i think we're gonna see a google thing maybe like smart glasses this year like we're gonna start to slowly see bigger companies try more and more complete products and i still have a little bit of cynicism from the old stuff but i'm trying to be optimistic i'm trying to give it a chance give it a fair shot so when the complete product does come along i'll be right what if it was your phone well that's where i'm at the supercomputer and like all those examples was just your phone i ended the humane video with like the smartphone is so good it's op it fits in my pocket it's kind of like if we didn't have smartphones we would be trying to invent something that we could just like slide in our pocket and we take out this little box that has cameras and supercomputers and an internet connection and awareness of everything you do and who you talk to yeah it's just crumpled it back up and put it I just think that people do not want to have to use and wear additional stuff that they wouldn't already be using in their daily life. Yeah, the wearing is hard. The reason that the metaglasses make a lot of sense is because you're just buying Ray-Bans. And then you use them. And then they have additional properties. You charge them sometimes. Yeah, you charge them sometimes. And people use sunglasses. You get the ones that have prescriptions. They're just smart, regular glasses. That makes the most sense. the pins and stuff make less sense because people don't want to keep sticking an additional product on themselves every day i feel like i would almost argue the opposite that a pin as a non-glasses wear i don't want to wear well fake glasses during the day that becomes the the question is like if you don't have glasses like how does it yeah which i think a lot of people don't have glasses we're all not nerds uh so i think right out the womb 2020 look at me i mean i do but you know um so i don't know these these are very high fashion and yeah in a way i'm like if they it would it would be better for them if they were more mass market but then they wouldn't stand out as much because there are a lot of smart glasses that are just black box glasses now these look sick bro picture walking down the street wearing these sipping a sobe water yeah honestly yes with your rollerblades yeah these things look dope in new york city this would this would work this would bank all the all the videos are of the like aluminum like silver version there is a black version which looks a little less uh less hype standout ish i have a question speaking of the videos yeah yeah if this had more realistic videos and pictures showing what you can expect do you think people would have reacted as badly because i think a lot of the marketing departments of these startups are trying to like do apple like keynotes and demos where they were just like honest with like this cool new technology we're working on i think people would still be excited about it so i would say it depends on what you mean by more realistic so i do agree like the over present like the super almost pretentious vibe of a lot of these is really a put off for a lot of people so even if you do kind of like the product you don't want to buy into it because it seems so silly but a more realistic demo of a theoretically perfect version of a future version of your product is kind of this already like kind of the same as i don't know trying to what's a realistic version i was thinking of this is like he's he went on and tweeted a bunch about how they're this like really small team that's actually just working in like his garage which is okay yeah every single sf company ever did that but like if this was just some videos of literally just like the team and a bunch of toolboxes in a garage the demo thing thing was like in the garage so like if that's what it was instead of this like super produced they had like dolly cameras and everything and they're making it like really intense wearing like an all-black suit and he was just like hey this is something we're working on we're calling it pickle if you want to be in early it it's no more Kickstarter than yeah I think it's because inherently these videos have to sell a whole bunch of people on being an early adopter and getting in and helping to make the product actually be good yeah and so yeah this is because the product can be good people being sold on the vision it almost like I to get so much crap for this It like Bitcoin Like Bitcoin is useless It useless But if enough people believe, then that actually makes it potentially useful. And then a bunch of people will go, oh, I'll accept Bitcoin. Like, if I'm a vendor who doesn't accept Bitcoin, I will not accept Bitcoin until enough people believe in Bitcoin and want to pay me with Bitcoin that it makes no sense for me not to accept Bitcoin. Right. So there needs to be some movement of people excited about the thing that's useless. I mean, it's kind of the reason that everyone was getting mad at you for, like, you know, saying this product does not exist and you're hyping all this stuff. And then everyone came out of San Francisco saying, like, well, the product doesn't start good. It will get good. But people have to believe in it. And it's like, OK, it's just that we exist in a different era. What do you mean? Wait, what is that? Santa's real you have to believe oh okay we just exist in a different era now where because all software is ever evolving and you don't buy finished versions of anything ever people's expectations even when they're building stuff now is like oh we're gonna ship a 1.0 we're gonna improve it over time we have an MVP yeah and then because of that they need to get people to buy it but like they can't yeah this is an ad is the bottom line it's like there's a reason that every single launch on Twitter is like a little trailer, movie trailer now. Because that's the way that marketing has changed is they have to like make it seem really, really high quality and done so that people actually buy it. So that they can make the product. It's crazy that we have to be like, our launch has to make it look like this is real. We have to sell you on the two years later version that's actually good, which is only possible if you believe us and you all get in now. And they already got money. I don't know how much their funding was, but it's like, picture, you already got the funding. Why do you need to secure? Why do they hate it? Because those investors need the money back. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. I mean, they are working with Qualcomm officially. Sasha Segan that is on the Snapdragon team tweeted that. They are working with them. So they do have the money. And Qualcomm will not work with you unless you got money. Yeah. So they clearly got funding. Oh. So. Remember, this is going to sound crazy because normally I'm the one who's like, sound of the alarm, this product's not real, it's not coming out. But I was thinking about when we went to California to try the Orion glasses. Do you remember? And I remember that was a product demonstration that really felt like ground floor. You know, you were wearing these kind of awkward wires, and it was kind of like bloomy and the resolution was bad. And they sat us down with these engineers who were so open about all the problems they had to like overcome to make that thing work. And then we got to try it and it did work. And it really felt like this experience of like, wow, this is a really hard space to build in. This is something that's going to require a considerable amount of effort, knowledge, and money. And it's really cool to get to see the ground floor. And then two weeks later, we tried the Snap. the Snap Spectacles, and they were way better in every single way. And I remember talking to the person that... Not every single way. They're way bulkier, and the field of view is so much worse. It was super low resolution. I remember the resolution on the Snap. The Snap one had better resolution, and the colors were better, and even though they were definitely bulkier, I didn't find them bulky. The field of view is so bad. I want to bring them in. But was it that much worse than the Orion? It was like everything was getting cut off. I couldn't play a game of something in front of me because my peripherals were completely cut off. I tried to play a golf game. I remember coming away from that and talking to the Snap representative and being like, you know, we just talked to the Metaboys, and they said that they had to overcome all of these really difficult problems, and it doesn't seem like you guys are having those same problems. You've just showed us this really great product. And he was essentially like, yeah, skill issue. Well, remember when the Snapchat guy came, he specifically said, the reason that it's hard for Meta is because they care about field of view. We think that field of view is not going to matter. I do remember that. And that's why we went with high resolution in a smaller field of view. And we believe that they're, like, chasing the wrong problem. Whereas Meta fully believes that field of view is the most important thing. Which I would, I kind of am in Meta's court. I did feel right. I just remember leaving that whole, you know, experience. I hate myself. Sorry. Yeah, go ahead, Alex. The worst person you know makes me. I just remember coming away from that whole experience, you know, being like, I have no idea how this stuff actually works, and I don't know what is difficult and what is easy. So when I saw the Pickle thing, I was like, I'll wait and see. Yeah. I will say, to Meta's credit, like, we see all these really polished, pretty ads on Twitter, and we're like, oh, this doesn't seem very realistic. but if you remember when Zuck went on stage with the Orion prototype he was like, this is a thing we're working on it's not a finished product, but like this is how far we've gotten so far and we have a long way to go and we're not selling it yet that's about what I would hope to see from like an honest presentation of the thing that's not going to be sold well yeah, that's when he was like, we're not selling this yet it's at least a year out and then they did a live demo with the Ray-Ban displays that famously went horribly wrong really poorly So, you know, to Meta's credit, it hurts to say. But, you know, they gave a very fair expectation of what the actual product was, when it was shipping, how much it was going to cost. And what it can do. And, you know, to be fair, they can do that because they don't need funding. They have unlimited money. Yeah. Whereas all these other companies need a lot of funding, so they have to lie to you, basically. And I don't believe that these things are not going to come out. I think they're going to come out. I just think that they're kind of going to be like the humane AI pin where the actual experience is horrible. Until like some theoretical down the road future version could maybe be better. Which probably won't happen because not a lot of people are going to buy in if the initial product is bad. Yeah. I guess this lands on that place that we always land on with this stuff, which is don't buy a product based on the promise of future updates. Yeah. If the product is good enough at launch, that should be the thing you're comfortable buying. The hardest part for you and for me is to figure out how good the product actually is in the face of all the ads that we're seeing that seem to paint it as this amazing thing. That's why reviewers exist. That's why we're going to show you how good the product actually is. Don't buy the product based on the promise of the future. Yeah. There's a bit of a paradox because the second gen is always, like, way better than the first gen and is usually cheaper. But in order to get to a second gen, it requires people to buy the first gen. For some adoption. Yeah. Which is usually based on the early adopter tax, except there's just so many products coming out that are bad now that not even early adopters want to spend their money on this thing. I mean, you know what this kind of reminds me of? Complete tangent. But Walt Disney, when he was launching the theme park, hyped up the building of the theme park on ABC for like two years with a bunch of episodes. And then the day that it opened, there was a bunch of problems with the park. But people that went still really enjoyed it. And it like exploded in popularity. Yeah. And that's kind of what we need more of in tech, like things like that. Like show me the process of building it so I can get excited about it. That way when the product comes out, even if it's not like the best thing ever, I understand where we are. I understand, like I'm an educated person. This is what I'm saying. Like everyone on Twitter is doing your expectations should be up here. And then reality is going to be way down here. I would love if someone went on Twitter and they were just like, this is what we have. It's, you know. Yeah. But, like, when they were building Disneyland, like, that was when you could actually watch someone. Like, no one's going to have fun watching, like, a 12-part YouTube series where it's, like, co-pilot, make AR glasses now. Yeah. I would love that. I think the hardest part is making a product that you can sell that is already good enough that people at least like it. Like, getting to the point of, like, working on Disneyland for two years to the point where it's not done yet, but it's still enjoyable to people. that is very meaningful that it was actually still enjoyable to people. Getting the product that you launched to actually be good enough to be enjoyable will get people to stick around for the ride for it to get better. It makes me think about Pebble because, number one, when they relaunched all the Pebbles, it was just the same Pebble from like 15 years ago. And it's slightly better in different ways. And then when they launched the Ring a couple weeks ago, you could buy it then. It was $75. It's shipping soon. So, like, it was already completed product. You know what you're getting. Eric went on and said this is exactly what it does. He wasn't making any promises for what it could do in the future. I feel like I would love if more companies launched products like that. Yeah. Yeah. Lower expectations. It's 2026. We could see some of that. Come on, baby. There's also a rumor that they paid $1.2 million for pickle.com. Worth it. Not worth it. Yeah, just like friend. This is why, that's my biggest red flag is stop spending so much money on a website. Did they ever explain why it's called Pickle? No one knows why it's called Pickle, right? The logo is kind of like a pickle and they kind of look like glasses. The glasses are in the shape of a pickle. Kind of. Sort of. I would argue the glasses aren't even because they don't have the bottom frame. The logo does look like a pickle and AR goggles, but I don't think it really looks that much like the glasses. I don't know. No, it probably is a direct trace. It's a stupid name and also they should, like, soul computer. Yeah, what does that mean? It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Also, Mr. Park, you need to change your Twitter bio, my guy. Like, you can't be the CEO of a company that's in controversy and have your Twitter bio say, I'm in a pickle. True. But it's fun. It's kind of so funny. It's a pun. Puns are funny. I love it. Somebody out there likes that pun. But you know who will be at a pickle in about 30 seconds? Uh-oh. You guys try to figure out the answer to this week's trivia. Pickle question. I don't know if it's about pickles. first trivia question of the new year bread and butter pickles I am going to get points this year I swear well this first question is a very Marquez question because it's about phones of the 2010s I wouldn't be too excited if I were you so RIP Zen phone I wanted to do an Asus question because there were so many Zen phones I loved so much but in the process of learning all about all the many phones and phablets Asus made over the years. I found two phones, two phone things, mobile devices with hilarious names. In 2013, you could go to Asus and make the choice between buying the Asus PhonePad, F-O-N-E P-A-D or the Asus Pad phone P-A-D F-O-N-E Two separate devices not in the same product line That makes so much sense One of them is a 4 inch phone that plugs into a dock that connects to a 10 inch tablet with a keyboard The other one was a phablet that you could get in 6, 7 or 8 inch sizes because it was 23 He was making a 6.7. Okay. Yeah. So, between the Asus phone pad and the Asus pad phone, which one was the phablet? A.K.A. which one did not have the dock accessory? That's what I'm asking. I think I noticed. Did not have the dock. Was the phablet no dock? I think I remember as well. Was it phone pad or pad phone? I don't remember. I'm just trying to use common sense. There's no common sense. Probably not. I'm just going to write. Both of them with arrows like this. It makes perfect. Phone pad is the phone pad. Pad phone is the pad phone. Duh. Duh. Okay, yeah. Yeah, all right. 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This is the best thing that happened at CES. I agree. We're starting right off the bat. Marquez, were you a Lego kid? Yeah. Oh, that's fine. Well. I was not. I was a Bionicle. I was in, I had Bionicles. I also Kinex. Oh, that's fair. But I had Legos first, so I think I have a Lego kid. Yeah. Lego is in this weird space where they are sort of technology, and they're sort of the opposite of technology. Like, they are blocks, but then they have evolved in all these ways where they added motors and gears, and people make working things. Like, yesterday I saw in the analog photography subreddit that someone made a film development tank with Legos. It was crazy. Like, automated, like, anyway. They decided to have a big CES event, which everyone was like, what is Lego going to headline at CES? It was, like, a huge thing. They announced... An AI pin. An AI pin. Somehow that wouldn't shock me. Yeah. So, Lego announced their first smart brick. Yeah. Which is kind of crazy when you read, like, the definition of what these things do. Notably, it is not the entire set of Legos that you buy are not made of smart bricks. It is like one or two per set, but they use Bluetooth and NFC and smart tags and they have microphones. And they have like basically every sensor there. It's a whole computer in a brick. In a like 2x4 regular looking Lego brick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 2x4 like centimeters. Yeah. No, no, no. Well, you know what I mean by 2x4? I'm not like. No, no, no. We're talking Lego here. Yeah, Lego. Yeah, I know. When I say 2x4 Lego. Right, right, right. 2x4 dots. I know. It's just, yeah. Oh. Dots. Yeah. Okay. It's just usually when people say, yeah, in your defense, that's what I thought, too. No, but we're talking about Lego here. You guys need to be in the conversation. I know, I know. I'm just not. Everyone knows the universe. So there are these smart Legos now that they're making that basically can talk to each other, and because of this, they're able to make sounds. They're able to, like, you can speak to it. They have speakers, all these things. Well, yeah, they light up, they make noise, and they respond to all different things because of the light and inertia sensors and the smart tags they have with separate minifigures or other parts of the things. There's examples of almost all of the examples are in Star Wars right now because that's coming out in March. But one is when you go to fuel up the TIE Fighter, it sees the certain color and knows it's next to the fuel tank and it starts making the fuel noises. Or when Emperor Palpatine sits at his throne, it plays Imperial March. Or when two figures that have lightsabers are next to each other start the lightsaber noises or light up for different things. So there's all this really crazy stuff, and they make a Bluetooth mesh network between them to understand where other Lego pieces and these NFC tags in the Lego sets are in reference to each other. Yeah, and they wirelessly charge on the platform that you put them on. One of the coolest examples I saw, so they did the announcement, and I was like, this is the coolest thing I can see. And then recently, it must have been last night, Sean Hollister from The Verge went and did my first experience with all of them. And he has this really cool example. I'm just going to read the quote, but we'll put the whole article in the show notes. So he said, Lego interaction designer Maria Salgado showed us a little police car set that could react to not only the presence of a cop and a robber smart minifigs, but where they're located compared to the smart brick. If a robber approaches the car, it'll sound the alarm. If a cop approaches the car, it will unlock it with a beep. If you drop the cop in the back seat behind the smart brick, it'll start snoozing because he's obviously not on the job. If you drop the robber into the front seat, the cop will wake up and start shouting. And that's like an example of how many different things it can do based on where things are in relation to like this singular smart brick. Yeah. Now, somebody please check me on the nostalgia of this. I think this is unequivocally, I think this is unequivocally, unequivocally, unequivocally, I think this is the best story of CES. I think, and also, you know, it's funny, this is like, I was saying to you, this is like the litmus test of people who didn't read the article. People, like, see the headline of this and they go, oh, smart Lego brick, boo, like, keep it, like, keep it just pure, like Legos. Keep it hurting my feet when I step on it. Yeah, which these totally still will. Now it'll go, like, gotcha. But, like, this is awesome. And this is also, like, among all the AI and, like, over-promising and random crap that we see at CES. Like, this is just a real thing that is just great. It is great. Specifically said, there's no AI in this product at all. It just reacts specifically. I guess there was some controversy over a previous Mario set that used, like, barcodes or something to use very specifically. And they're like, this is not anything like that. this is way more open, I guess, and the way it works with different sets. I'm interested to see how these might work outside of sets later down the line and when people are building their own things and how they could potentially change it. This is my one concern was does this kind of set in motion a whole thing for you need to build the sets that they ask you to build and there's not going to be any sort of open source stuff where you can make it do whatever you want it to do. It's a weird thing where, like, are you a person who builds sets and keeps them like that? Or are you a person like me who built a set and then just had a giant tub that those sets disintegrated into and built whatever I want? Which is what you're supposed to do with Legos. Yeah. Originally, anyway. Whatever you want to do with Legos, you're spending a lot of money on it. You do you. But, like, it would be cool if these could somehow. But is my 2x4 brick from the TIE Fighter only going to make TIE Fighter noises? Right. Or is the one only going to play Imperial March? Right. Or is it, like, dynamic? Yeah, how it works, how the lights work. How would you update them? I think they're going to be just one function, I would imagine. I would assume there are a couple functions based solely on this set. And then how creative people will be is, how do I use the noises and lights from that set to build something else that I want? Right, but it's like TIE Fighter noises, and you're using the Lord of the Rings set. Yeah. A couple other small things I saw here. There is a microphone in it, but it's purely to be one of the other sensors because things can react to noise. They claim they're not recording anything. Take Lego out there. There was one where if you blow on a fire, it would turn the fire out. It was like if it was a cake, if you made a birthday cake with it. You could blow the candles out, possibly. But, yeah, first sets are shipping in March. They're like $70, $100, and $160, and they're all pretty small. Also, you're going to get LEGO taxed even harder on this, I'm sure, but they're pretty awesome. There's also a rumor there's an upcoming LEGO Pokemon set that might be missing. Oh, it's not even a rumor. It's coming out this year. Oh, really? It's confirmed. With the Smartbrook? Yes. Is Charmander's tail going to light up? That'd be sick. I guess a 2x4 group wouldn't do that wrong. But, yeah. So that was the coolest thing out of CES. Now we can talk about a bunch of other kind of cool things. There's a lot of other cool stuff. Yeah, we'll go through it. You have a... I have a few things. Yeah. I have one thing that's boring, but I think it's cool. Okay. We'll be checking that out here. Pitch us on why it's cool. All right. So you know how Google Photos... Yes. Yeah? I know about... Yeah. Like how Google... You know? I know why and how. Yeah. So... I know that. I know that. Google Photos has long been one of Google's best products. They came out with, like, the semantic search features a long time ago. It automatically tags different objects, object recognition, that kind of stuff. Notably, when you have a NAS, which is a network-attached storage array, it's kind of just dumb. Like, it's just kind of a file structure system that you, you know, look stuff up. You have to, like, know exactly where everything is and all of this stuff. It is the new year. I am really messy. My desktop and my storage on my computer is horrible. Notably, all of my film scans that I've ever made are on a one-terabyte flash drive. And when that breaks, my life will be over. So at the beginning of the year, I decided I need to get my s*** together. So I started looking into storage solutions, and wouldn't you have it, at CES, Ugreen announced this AI NAS. And I know everything is called AI now. But the early versions of AI, the, like, machine learning, semantic understanding versions of AI that are actually useful, they are shoving into this thing. So it's a network-statch storage array, but it has basically like semantic search so you can like describe what you want and it'll automatically index all of your images so that you can like find what you need it basically creates it's like its own personal google photos which is nice because google photos does not have original quality upload unless you pay a ton of money so that's pretty awesome remember when you got that for free with a pixel yeah and then they took it away and then took it away i can do automatic album creation and categorization. It can do summaries of audio clips and files. It has a model which you can ask about your files. I'm not really sure why you'd need to do that. And it does automatic file organization. So, I don't know. I know that this is sort of just like a newer, better version of something we've had for a very long time, and it is very boring. But as someone who has not gotten into the, like, I need to get my storage solution stuff together game yet, now that they have semantic search within this, that's actually very useful for me. Yeah. So I'm considering. This is awesome. Yeah, it looks really nice. It costs so much money. It's $1,000 for the smallest one, which is a lot. How much storage is the smallest one? It doesn't have any. It's a NASP thing. So you have to buy the drives. It's a bag. You buy the drives. Oh, okay. You have to buy the drives? Yeah, so it's $1,000 for the smallest one without the drives, which is kind of annoying. Okay. It's pretty expensive. Ugreen is a company that I thought only made HDMI adapters. and then I've been seeing so much Ugreen NAS stuff on TikTok. I don't know if they're doing a lot of paid partner marketing or stuff like that. They probably are. But I've never seen influencers be like NAS Bay. Oh, I have. But it's been all Synology stuff. Synology flooded YouTube with NAS array videos. The Ugreen NAS bays look really cool. They would look clean in a house. Yes. I'm pro. I think I might get one. I'm very interested. Before this, the only Ugreen product I had literally ever purchased was HDMI adapters, like USB-C. So I'm like, am I going to trust my entire thing? Yeah. They kind of came out of nowhere, and then they've been kind of killing it. I see them as another version of Anchor. Yeah. They remember Anchor. Yeah. They've started making a lot of stuff, and they're all very high quality. So there's like a pre-order. This has been my predicament. There's like a pre-order thing where you save like 700 bucks if you pre-order it. And I'm like, that's how they get you. You save money on the pickle pre-order too. Yeah. Anyway, I would like to try that, but we'll see. We'll see. There's a new product. There's a new e-paper display coming out. So notably, we got really excited about this. I still love mine. Yeah. I mean, so it was, what's the company called? It was Aura. Aura. or made these frames, e-paper frames, that we got very excited about because they were color e-paper frames. They were saying that they were, like, the first ones, which I think they wanted to say very intentionally because literally immediately after they said that, like, a ton of other brands came out with e-paper color display. People were linking us with some other ones, so I'm sure it wasn't, like, we're the first ones. It was probably, like, we're the first ones with XYZ. Yeah, probably. Asterix. Asterix. I got advertised a bunch of them on Instagram too. So they're clearly like coming. But there's this one, the ink poster 41 inch e-paper display that got shown off at CES. Very big. That seems like it's just kind of a TV at that point. Like 41 inches is pretty huge. Yeah. But it is kind of ridiculously overkill and fancy. It has like an aluminum frame and it uses Alcantara for the mat. Whoa. So the editor at Engadget who saw one of the smaller models last year said that it was a lot denser and, like, higher resolution than the ones that, like, we have, for example. Because, like, the Aura frames that we have, like, they look good, but they don't look exactly like, you know, one-to-one with a printed photo. They're, like, half-tone almost. They're, like, half-tone because it has, like, limited color palette. These apparently are very, very, very high quality, but they're also, like, $6,000 for the 41-inch one. What I'm excited about is that this technology, like the e-paper technology, the e-ink technology, is clearly finally starting to, like, get pushed into the public eye. And that means that this same thing is probably going to be half the price next year. So, you know, give it two or three years, and this 41-inch e-ink display will probably be, like, $500. All six of them. Hey, they will all be in my house. That paper wall. That'd be incredible. Nice. Yes. Okay, next thing. Corsair put a stream deck in a keyboard. I'll take three. Notably, they did acquire Elgato in 2018, so it's kind of like eight years too late. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy that they waited this long in order to do this. And I don't know if you guys remember the original Razer Blade that came out in like 2012. Yeah, you could literally customize your keys, which had little screens under them. Yeah, you can make them whatever you want. That's exactly what this is. Yeah, so I guess they were just too early and nobody wanted to pay for them at that point. That was in a laptop also. Right, whereas if it's in a dedicated keyboard, it's more likely that you're going to have a whole streaming set. Probably, yeah. You're probably not going to be streaming with your laptop. So it calls it the Galleon 100SD keyboard. It has 12 customizable buttons, a 5-inch 720x1280 IPS LCD screen, and two, notably, rotary dials for LS over there. Nice. How do you feel about the rotary dials? All right. It is $350, so it's pretty expensive. But I think if you are... That's honestly not that crazy. Like a regular gaming keyboard could very easily go for $150 to $200. And how much is a stream deck? It's not that far up from them being bought. Yeah, so it's like if you're going to set up a streaming setup and you just don't want to have to buy a separate stream deck, it's right there. And if you like Corsair keyboards, which they're just pretty typical gaming keyboards. Yeah. Speaking of gaming companies, Razer always does something insane at CES. Usually they don't come out. Weirdly enough, you can get on the order list for this. Let me explain what it is. Yeah, I was similarly confused. So they're doing this AI desk companion. yeah so it's called project ava which was something that was out last year which was an ai that basically backseat gamed you so it could tell you all the stuff you're doing wrong when you play games you guys have never heard of the term backseat gamer it's like when you're playing driver like yeah it's similar but in a lot of games where like valorant or counter-strike where someone dies they're then watching your team but still in voice chat and you're like telling someone everything to do, that's like a backseat camera. So this was an eSports AI whatever that could. But now you can get this little pod, yes, cylinder tube kind of thing. It looks like the things when you go to the bank and it sucks up from the drive-thru that can sit on your desk, obviously has RGB, and kind of has this almost holographic looking avatar. On the website, they say it's a 3D hologram. 3D hologram. It's just a volumetric display. Well, duh, it is. It's not a volumetric display. What is it? Okay, well, you'll all know why we're so adamant about that later. Oh, my God, and it's powered by Grok. Is it really? I'm on their website right now. Project AVA currently utilizes XAI's Grok engine to demonstrate its specific. So they needed that because it notably gets kind of spicy. Does it? I did not see it. It'll do an epic vulgar roast. it's like okay so this volumetric display shows a couple of different companions um there's like an anime girl and an anime guy of course the anime girl in like the video is like just wearing a big t-shirt it's unfortunately it's like anime girl anime guy and then one of the most famous league of legends players ever yeah well yeah there's these little characters that i the idea is that it's just an assistant that during the day you talk to as an assistant and while you're playing games they sort of backseat game with you. But it makes sense that it's powered by Grok because these assistants are you know made to be companions. We all know. Companion? Companion is a terrible word for this unless that's what you literally want it to do. It's also like because it's this pod that sits on your desk has a camera on the front so it can help you with what you're wearing and like your fashion sense or whatever and it can see things you're doing and i don't know every razor has this thing where it feels like every year they make this huge splash with a product to get you to their booth that will never exist yeah and i specifically had a friend send this to me being like look how crazy this is it looks so stupid and i was like let me let you in on a little secret uh razor never actually releases these things they just have all their other products that say yes they're just like then how come you can pre-order it and i was like what yeah and then i went and for twenty dollars you can get in line for a reservation but they are saying this will come out in 2026 so i don't know what to think if they just realize nobody expects their stuff to come out so this was give us 20 bucks and we'll give it back or if this is actually going to come if it's powered by grok i would bet you that they are literally just using the same like because grok also has the like companion like virtual actual bodied companion thing that you can interact with it's probably just using that api and changing the look of the character it's using the the ai part of something that they had already because they were doing like i think they announced ava last year for like the gaming stuff but now this is like almost a webcam where it's taking in context of things in your room but the weirdest thing is that it's this hologram which yeah we've been working on something that makes us understand and holograms are really, really hard. And I don't know, there's no idea how much this is going to cost, because you have to pay $20 to get in line for it. So is this going to be reasonably priced? Is this going to be, it's so weird. It's weird. Yeah. Does this give you an unfair advantage if you're playing, though? It's in the API queue. It's in the API queue on the website. Is this cheating? Oh, is this cheating? Is this like rapid trigger? thing. It's just going to be like, you need to build more pylons and give s***. It's a little sad to me that it's obviously Grok because that kind of fits in with the whole gamer personality. I don't want Grok and Companion to be in the same sentence. Razor website also describes it as a friend for life. Oh, no. I'm out. Does that mean it has a lifetime warranty? Yeah. That's the only way. False marketing. I want to talk. There's so much I want to talk about. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if this will even ever come out. Yeah, do we think this even comes out? Can we talk about the hologram for a sec? Because I can't stop thinking about this, man. Because you're right, Andrew. We've been doing some secret stuff that involves holograms for the past few weeks. And we've learned a lot about holograms and a lot about how they work. And in all of the Razor photos on their website, no matter what angle the photo is taken from, No matter what angle the desk is at or no matter what angle the user is facing, do you guys notice? It says face on. It's facing dead at the camera, right? Yeah. Whereas on the Verge.com's photo in their header, not only is it at an angle, but do you see very faintly the transparent screen? Well, I thought that was the shutter speed catching something spinning. I don't think there's anything spinning in there. Okay. Oh, yeah, you think it's just a piece of glass, pretty much? I think it's a transparent LCD. I think it's a transparent LED. So it's not going to look like the Samsung spec, not the LG spec. Well, it's hard to tell from this photo. The reason, here's why I don't think anything is spinning in there, is because when you generate a 3D image, and this is a little bit of a spoiler, the thing we're working on, but when you generate a 3D image from spinning something, you don't just have to render one frame. Like if you're trying to render a 30 FPS video on a spinning thing, you have to render the slice at every degree, right? Which means you actually have to do a full spin more than once a frame, which means you need a graphics engine in this thing that's rendering these 2D slices at like over a thousand slices per cent. Like you need an insane amount of graphics power. And that's to do a low resolution image. from all the photos, this looks like a reasonably high-res screen, right? So I'm willing to bet that Razer did not put, like, a 5090 in this thing. Yeah, it does not look like it's spinning. I mean, even there's a photo from sort of the top angle down where you can't. It looks like it's off, but you can kind of see the transparent LED. And does it look like it's at the same sort of perpendicular? It's the same angle. They're all at the same angle. Me thinks 3D hologram is a little bit of an overstatement. But it is possible that this uses the same technology as that company Looking Glass in Brooklyn, which does light field displays. So it's not like a true 3D hologram. It's more like... It's what Nintendo used on the 3DS. Exactly. Yeah. But also, I don't know. I think that's the best way to end that. I guess I just wanted to jump in here because I can't stop thinking about holograms for the past few weeks. And when, you know, it's hard to think about holograms and not also think about waifus. Yeah. And when a big company is like, yo, do you remember the last time we talked to Razor at CES? I wasn there but that the basis of my Yeah When they were like why would you ask me that This isn real Yeah We see if this is But yeah I taking money which they haven done for other things So I'm assuming this is going to be real. Razer, remember, it's okay to take money and not deliver products now. It's 2026. And Razer, if I'm wrong and you didn't just buy a transparent LED panel from Samsung and put it in their stationary... Ellis will use this product for the rest of the year. I will end my Claude subscription and only use the Razer waifu for all of my LLM purposes. While having the bomb. Or whatever. But no, seriously, someone at Razer should reach out and tell me if I'm wrong and it actually is a 3D hologram because I'd love to know about how it works because the thing about holograms, 24-7 these days. Cool. All right, we got some other things that I think are less creepy. Samsung we just have to talk about one TV because this is the S after all there's a gazillion of them wait is that what they're calling their new TV OS one TV damn like when you lie they announced the 130 inch 4,000 IQ jokes I got it 130 inch timeless frame I just this thing I'm so confused Can someone try and describe what this looks like? Because it's like a TV in a frame that doesn't connect but is kind of off-centered and like an easel. It looks like an easel that it is like the TV is inside the easel and it pivots inside the easel and swings around. Like a whiteboard of us. It looks like you could spin it. Yeah, you could probably angle it. It's connected towards like the bottom. I think it might be fixed. Picture like a... It's pretty big. It's a dog door that's, like, the size of a third of a garage door. But the hinge is, like, exactly in the middle of the Y axis so that the garage door just spins over and over again like a conveyor belt flap. A fan, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's big. It's huge. 130 inches. It's micro RGB. It's 130 inches. I'm assuming this is 16.9 aspect or 16 by 9 aspect ratio. that would be approximately 113 inches wide and 63 inches tall, which would be 11 feet wide and 5 feet tall. And that's just the TV screen. It is then inside the other giant box. So this is what, like a 13-foot tall contraption to be a timeless window rather than just a stand? This is going to be one of those $100,000 TVs. This is peak C. This is what C. This is LG rollable TV C. I have, like, a ginormous living room, you know, core. My couch doesn't touch a wall. This city is bigger than my apartment. This definitely goes in, like, the lobby of some giant building in Manhattan. Yeah. Yeah. To show where you are in the building. You are here in the mall. I think it's gorgeous. I mean, it is very pretty. It is timeless. It is the living room you need to pull it off. It's so far beyond my means, I can't even begin to. It's just going to be all concrete. It's going to be, like, the guys only need one thing photo. of, like, a guy that moves into, like, a new apartment, and it's just, like, him sitting on a lawn chair with this and a PS5. That's resting on, like, a 30 rack of Milwaukee's desk. Yeah. Speaking of TVs, did you guys see all the frame TV knockoffs we got this year? There's so many. There's so many. Why did it take this long? I don't know. Great question. Yeah, I was surprised. Basically everybody, TCL, Hisense, LG, even Amazon is making a gallery TV now. and i think this i mean this always made a ton of sense um ironically i did hear that these are basically just excuses for the companies to use old panels that are way worse and sell them for a much higher price i i every year i think i want a frame tv and i never we had one in the old studio and it just i i like the idea of it but i just never really decided their quality is all they're all bad quality they're all bad tvs yes but when they're off and they show the art and They're like a little framed thing. They look kind of cool. And that's why they can charge you a lot of money for them. And that's the only way they sell it to you, by the way. They're like, look at this TV when it's off. Isn't that nice? Because otherwise it would be $300 on Black Friday. Yeah. If it didn't have the frame. I guess I can continue to not buy one. I'm glad that all these other companies are making them because it does mean that maybe there will be competition, which will force them to have better quality, which would be nice. if that becomes if like one of these starts selling more because it's a better TV then that will be proof enough to them that they should focus on that but if they all sell well because they're all garbage TVs but they all have the same feature then no one's going to be incentivized to like make a really good one I imagine the Amazon Fire TV one is going to sell really well yeah do you guys remember the Samsung Serif TV? I've heard that one before maybe it was like is that TV that just I remember the Samsung Serif TV oh yeah this kind of reminds me of the timeless frame we were just talking about. I think Isaac has one of these. But it basically, it stands on the, it has just these like legs that it stands on and then it's got it's called Serif because it's like a Serif font and it's inside of this, I don't know. It looks really nice. Terrible TV. Oh my god. One of the worst TVs. Really? It is so bad. It's so funny. The actual display is horrible. Brandon has it too actually. Yeah, Brandon owns one. And it looks great. It looks great in his apartment until he turned it on. You know where I saw You know where I saw the Serif TV for the very first time? Brandon's apartment? No, in a museum. That makes sense. Because the... Directory? No, because the designers who made it are these famous design brothers named the Boolarex, the Samsung. And so it was an entire, like, exhibit about the Boolarex, like, furniture designs. And in the corner was this crazy-looking TV, and it had a Samsung logo on it. And I was like, why is it 720p? um andrew do you want to talk about the vibrating knife yes i don't like how enthusiastic i was the way you described it but um yes i want to open this by saying marquez yeah please let me do a video or a short about this um so i actually saw this outside of ces but it is at ces so i'm counting it and we are allowed to talk about it but this is the seattle ultrasonic c200 ultrasonic 8-inch chef's knife. It has ultrasonic twice in the name. That's how sonic it is. So imagine a chef's knife with the thickest handle ever because this handle looks really thick and plasticky and has a giant red button on it. Yeah, because it needs a battery. But why do you need a button on a knife? Well, this knife blade vibrates up to 30,000 times a second which claims makes the knife behave sharper than it physically is. And so what happens then when you cut things while it's vibrating it cuts them really fast and really well um so like i honestly put this in as a joke because i thought it was so funny and it reminds me of those um like the carving knives that everyone uses for like thanksgiving which some people really like but i'm always a believer in oh is that how it's vibrating but no it's not a carving knife specifically is just going like forward and back it's not this is just like like they say when you turn it on you can barely tell it's doing anything the way they show it is they like i think i think it's like everywhere is it pivoting or is it like that everywhere vibrations are the key the whole life dr fuji it's doing the harlem shake bro yeah i'm really trying to understand this if a knife is like this and it's a sharp thing i think it's just vibrating it it's i don't know how it's vibrating how does it yeah what is the motor in the handle exactly like is it vibrating forward and back or left and right? I think it doesn't start like around the kitchen. It's got it. It's got a buzz. No, it'll probably buzz. It's on the ground and it's vibrating. No, just cut through your floor. And if it's vibrating in the basement. Falls to your basement. Falls to the center of the earth. And then it cuts the earth's core open. And then the earth sort of like falls in half. You cannot drop this knife. I'd like to do it. It's because they spent so much time asking you if they could. They should never ask if they should. This is a good video example of that it's actually moving, because it doesn't look like it is, but they just put stand on it, and it kind of looks like it's just going up and down and slightly forward. It's like a tuning fork. It's like how a tuning fork resonates at a certain frequency. It's not like it's sliding back and forth. No, it's resonating. I'm going to have to push back here because it's, by definition, ultrasonic. True, yeah. Well, 33 hertz is... Oh, 33 kilohertz. I mean, it's faster than you can hear, whereas the point of a tuning fork is to hear it. Oh, yeah, I agree. I'm just saying as far as just being a... Cut that. Wait, can you hear 33 kilohertz? I feel like you... No, you can't. 20K is the... If you're a dog, you're a dog. If it was lower than 20K, it would just be sonic. So your dog could hear this knife. Probably. It's like it doubles as a dog whistle. You just go to cut your food and your dog is just freaking out. Oh, my God. But in a way, you did just make a tell your dog that you have food in the kitchen. As if it didn't already know. But so at first, like I said, I thought there was just those carving knives and I wasn't really that interested. I like my kitchen stuff to be as un-tech focused as possible. I like just nice knives that I sharpen. I like cast iron. but then there's this video of it just like cutting through a baguette without serration and just like usually you cut bread with a serrated knife and a baguette is hard and usually you have to like smush it down to cut it with a this is just you just glide through it like a scissor through wrapping paper when you get that nice glide yeah dude the french are gonna be so excited but like like seeing a cut of tomato i'm like cool a really sharp knife cut a tomato no problem Watching this, that's an apple, I think. Watching it cut through the baguette is like literally insane. Dude, the mist coming off the tomato. The tomato, that's another way of showing how precise it's vibrating. Can I ask you a question about knives? I don't know anything about knives. I probably can't answer this. The lean onion's great. I know you could do that with a sharp knife. This is a $400 smart knife. $400 is not crazy. Remember, it must be paid for the hammer. How much is a really good sharp knife? My, like, Wusthof Classic, which is, like, a really good, but still... The fact that your name dropped your knife is already above my head. It's, like, $160. Oh, like, you can get Japanese steel for very expensive, if you want to. Yeah. Some of that is because of, like, how handmade and, like, the knife is. It depends on the maker. It depends on the maker. It depends on what that is. And, like, the handle is probably, like, one of one. It's IP65, so it's not going to go through a dishwasher, is it? No, but you can hand wash it through a set. You should have any knife worth that much money. Yeah, you should never put it in. No, that's true, that's true. But I'm just thinking, like, if you use this one knife for your raw meat and then need to use it again later. You know how you're cooking, you need to use a knife for three different things? Yeah. I feel like you need... You wash it. Yeah. Yeah. You should always wash your knife and dry it off immediately and not leave it out wet. And it's also because the different knives are better for different things, like serrated knives for the baguettes. Yeah. Well, okay, so this has 1,100 milliamp hour removable battery pack. Nice. It charges either USB-C or it has, do you know how people have the, like, wooden magnetic knife mounts? Yes. For $150, you can get one of those that's wireless charging. Yes. Mark, have I blame you for this? Because you said to USB-C all the things. And they have. Well, is that a micro USB-C? Yeah, which one do you want? I love this. Just like a true tech product, it says, I believe it says, to avoid e-waste, USB-C cable and charger are not included in the box. Damn. So you've got to charge your knife. How long do you think this knife battery lasts? I bet probably, like... How long are you using a knife? I bet it's totally fine to get through. But at some point, you need to charge your knife, which is hilarious. Does it last long enough to cut to the center of the earth? Maybe that's the only thing saving it. Yeah. There's just a bunch of knives, like, hundreds of feet deep with dead batteries. I also just love the idea of just, like, you use it, and then you just stick it, and it starts charging. That's crazy. This was a total joke at first, and I want this so bad now. I want this. I want it really bad. I know. If you're listening, Seattle Ultrasonics. Yeah, please. We're here. Or Internet Shaquille needs to do a review on this. Please send him one. He's way cooler than us. But if you want to send us one, or if I can give it to Marquez, they'll let us do a short on it. I'm here. You're going to have to send it because I looked at adding it to my car for a preorder, and you pay full price right away. When does it come out? In March, I think. 400 bucks i want which is not that far away before the pickle i want it place your bets i think that's my second favorite oh yes the third cool thing it's got ip it's got an ip rating yeah it's ip65 i want to do a really quick um lenovo power hour because they always do the weirdest stuff they are announcing a laptop that okay last year we got the laptop that rolled upwards we sure did And that was cool. That's a cool. Linus went on Jimmy... Rollbook. Val? Kim? One of the Jimbos. I showed him. Yeah. Right. It was cool. Right. The same right as Bad Bunny was there. Oh, Johnny. Yeah, that was honestly a combo. I'm sure they hung up. Linus, Sebastian, Bad Bunny. Can't even tell him apart. This year, they did a rollable computer that rolls out, so it makes an ultra-wide display. The scrollbook. The scrollbook. Yeah. Is this a scrollbook, bro? Oh. A couple books count. Now I know why you like that, because David could be like, check out this picture I took. And then it expands outwards, and then he's like, here's my 23 by 7. It makes the royal flex pie, like, creep. But I mean, I would like the vertical rollbook, I think for productivity is good. The horizontal rollbook is pretty sick for gaming. You know, I think that that, you know, pretty cool. Just product, I mean, also productivity is whether you want a big chat. It's like code and like big emails or chats like you want vertical or like if you want it to go sideways to a side-by-side screen. Yeah, you don't need a Vision Pro if you got this thing. No. They also made a laptop concept that has a rollable display that wraps around its lid, which is weird. I don't know. A lot of this tech eventually comes to stuff eventually. For Adam, they made a FIFA Edition Razer phone. Oh. They sure did. Okay. With like the FIFA logo on the back. It's just a branded version. Yeah, just with a custom ringtone. That's two phones. Yeah, he has two phones for some reason. But if they can upcharge somebody who really likes soccer, they'll do it. They made a new Moto watch that promises 13-day battery life and Polar-powered health tracking. They use Polar. So that seems pretty interesting. The Seltzer Company? No. Well, no. No. Polar is another, like, you know, right? I have no idea what Polar is. Polar is a smartwatch brand. Oh. They make a bunch of health accessories, like heart rate monitors and stuff like that. Straps and stuff. Right, right, right. So this is called the Moto Watch. It's round. You know, it doesn't have a flat tire. So I don't know. That looks pretty good. But the one thing that I'm sure you'll be reviewing soon here, Marquez, is Moto XPS. Yeah. Y'all did bring back the XPS. I literally ordered it. You ordered the XPS? Yes. Why? The new 14. Because it looks like it's actually good. I know. Well, they were good. Well, it was good, and then they got rid of XPS for a year, and it was like Dell Pro, Dell Pro Max. That is weird. I forgot about that. Now they're back. Now XPS is back, and they fix a lot of the things that have a real function row key, and they have better speakers, and you can actually see the trackpad. It looks like a much better laptop. I was like, let me give it a shot. Okay. Nice. Well, there is now a Razer Hot Dog phone. Yeah. I'm glad you called it. What? Razer Fold. Razer Fold. Oh, I thought we meant the gaming company again. Oh, sorry. Moto Razor Fold. Moto Razor Fold. Hot dog. So apparently the Fisher, Michael Fisher, Mr. Mobile, said that he was not that excited for it, and then he saw it in person, and that the build quality is actually really, really nice, and that he's pretty excited for it. That's a weird thing to say about his own product. I trust Michael Fisher's read on a phone, first impressions. I'm also not expecting very much from a, what is this going to be like, $1,400, $1,500 Motorola flagship that folds. Notably, they did the $600 hamburger fold. That was their bread and butter. A little throwback razor foldable thing was, they got it all the way down to $6.99 or maybe $5.99. I think it was $5.99. Yeah, that version of it. That was the cheapest version. That made it really good. But I always felt like Motorola, at least in the past five, six years, has been making these Edge flagships, and they've just never been pushing any sort of boundaries of being, like, a really good phone. They'll just make, like, a decent phone, and it's their flagship. Yeah, the edges have been, like... Like, not great cameras. Yeah. Pretty okay battery, but they don't do silicon carbon. I think this has a 5200 milliampere... I don't think they do any silicon carbon in their whole lineup. Yeah. Like, okay, like, flagship chip, but also they were really first to 5G and haven't done anything great since. Like, I don't know. They're fine. Yeah. But when they're doing... When I hear they're doing a Fold, I'm like, yeah, it'll be fine. Yeah. So, but if he, you know, if he likes it. It sounds just fine. I'll check it out. Yeah. They're also making an AI pendant. I did see that, too. Yeah. It's a concept right now. It's like a necklace, right? It's a necklace with a camera. Yeah. There's a keyboard YouTuber that I really like called Hippio Tech, and I think he's at his first CES ever. And his whole Instagram is just like, I'm so excited to see the new tech. Hope it doesn't have AI. And I'm just like, aw. And it's just been like 48 hours. It's the wrong year to go to CES, my friend. I have bad news. There we are. Well, speaking of Michael Fisher, the main event. Last thing I have here, and I know it looks like a lot, but we can kind of go through this. Notably the best thing that got announced at CES. After the Lego brick. Oh, yeah. I like Michael Fisher a lot, but the Lego brick was pretty awesome, and I don't think he'll be upset about that. All right. But Clix, the company that he is a part of, released two new products. Yeah. The first one, the Clix Power keyboard, is essentially a – so they had previously been doing the cases with the keyboard on the bottom, which for a lot of phones made them long, very long. Very long. Fall as head. It kind of made the most sense on, like, the Z Flip, because then you could use the front screen with your own – yeah, and the Razer and your own keyboard not being in the way of the small screen, and it would be a regular size. but so the clicks power keyboard is actually a imagine a battery bank with magsafe and then when you pop it to the back of your phone you can slide your phone up and now there's a keyboard on the battery bank so now the keyboard rests there is also providing charge with your phone and you can pop it on and off whenever you yeah um which is kind of awesome it has multiple different sliding ranges so like if you have a smaller phone or a really big phone you can turn it landscape if you want kind of a knockoff LG wing. Nothing's going to be the end. Nothing can fill the void that the wing left. But like it does awesome stuff like it's done with the past on the cases where it can take away your keyboard. You get all your screen real estate back, which is great. One of the cool things as I really liked about the power keyboard was it has multiple Bluetooth connections and they kind of just created a mobile bluetooth keyboard in a sense yeah where like this could connect to your phone but this could also connect to your vision pro and you don't have to type in the air anymore this could connect to your apple tv so you don't have to use the remote arrow buttons to search for things yeah so like this is now just kind of universal with your phone pocketable bluetooth keyboard that's also a battery bank that if you can pair easily to things that would be awesome and then there's a he said there's multiple pairing and it's just a keyboard shortcut to swap between the pairs. That's so smart. So launch price $79. Which is pretty good. I mean, battery banks aren't that cheap. It's definitely more expensive than a regular battery bank, but it has to have the sliding mechanism and a keyboard that they put a lot of effort into. After launch price, it'll be $109, which that's pricey, but I really think the people who would want this will want it. I also like how now it's not just a phone and a case all of the time and long if there are scenarios where you think you need it a little more. And it also is now a battery bank as well, which is awesome. I didn't see how big it was. Also, a huge shout-out to Michael. He opens the video keynote with, like, I've seen a million of them, and let's do them right. This whole thing was announced at fully in spec with price at, like, 2 minutes and 45 seconds into the video, including the intro. Yeah. So, bravo. Yeah, I think this makes a lot more sense. Their problem before was that they needed to make it for every individual phone. Yes. And they eventually got it out for the Razer. But, like, every year when they update the phone, like, Apple updated the camera bar. So then it didn't, you know, you had to buy a whole new case, and they cost over $100, and it just, like, doesn't make a lot of sense. And so having something that just uses MagSafe slash Qi 2 that is just a universal keyboard that you can also use with Vision Pro, you can also use it with your Apple TV or whatever, it just makes, like, way more sense. And it's a battery bank, which is just, you know, it is a little bit, like, thick. It's bulky for sure, but it's a battery bank. Yeah, it's a battery bank. So I don't think you're going to want to have it on your phone all the time, but it is kind of nice that you can just have your phone normal for most of the time and then when you want to get into some keyboard action. And I like that it slides up. They also showed that it does work with foldable phones unfolded. So even like the Z Fold 7, it'll work with. Well, yeah, because even if it's not connected, if you have the, well, I can't even remember what the tri-fold is, But now the trifold could be all the way out, and now you have a hand keyboard in front of you also. But the Z Fold 7, if you magnetize it to it, the keyboard will be low enough that you can type on it. Sideways or? Like when it's open. Really? But then it'd be off to one side, right? It didn't look like that in his video. Well, I'm assuming then he flipped it landscape and folded it up. Yeah. Oh, maybe. Yeah. That's probably what happened. Which is awesome. Yeah. Yeah, that's really cool. Pretty cool. I mean, you know, obviously Michael Fisher is going to be somebody that tries, probably said, we have to do this, we have to do this, we had to do this at all the design meetings. Glad that he got his voice through. It's the perfect time that now Chi 2 accessories or Chi 2 ready is so much more prevalent. Like, even if phones don't have the MagSafe magnet, you can probably find a case. Even though there's, like, the Pixel uses Chi 2 and the, what is it, the Skyline, the HMD Skyline. And that's basically it, except for our next product we're going to talk about, which is another Clix product. I didn't even realize this had Chee 2, baby. I missed that completely. So, okay, there's another product that Clix announced called the Clix Communicator, which if you know Michael Fisher, makes a lot of sense. It's a reference. It's a reference to Star Trek. And it's basically, the idea of it is, it's similar to the idea of what Palm was when they launched their phone, except it's not, like, micro. It's a different form factor. It has a square display with a keyboard. It kind of looks like a Blackjack or Blackberry, like the original Blackberry. I consider this the R slash Android phone. It's like everything that R slash Android wants in a device. This is so interesting to me. It is specifically tailored to mostly just be a communication device. So it uses a modified version of Niagara Launcher, which if you ever use Niagara, It's basically this descending list of letters on the side of your screen that just lists your apps out. So it's supposed to be like the anti-social media, anti-scrollable device because, you know, you could have TikTok on it, but it's going to have these big bars on the side because it's not a vertical display. It's like a square display. Yeah, it's so clearly indicated as a communicator because it has a physical keyboard. Yeah, which, you know, obviously is going to, well, for most people is going to be the ideal way to type out a lot of stuff. Yeah. It is really interesting to me for two reasons. One is because I think I would enjoy using something like this, although I'm a smartphone person. Like, I use my smartphone keyboard all the time. But two, it is such a good product idea as a new, like, startup type of company. Yeah. I've been asked probably a trillion times in my lifetime, hey, shouldn't you make a phone? Like, couldn't you? You review all these phones. Shouldn't you compete? and it's like, no, this is the most competitive, like impossible to break through category to make a new product. I could never just make a smartphone in my bedroom or something like that. That's ridiculous. But a product like this, they have all of the right, obviously this is a very specific targeted genre for like what the product is, but then they don't have to have the best camera because this is not a thing that's designed without having the best camera. This doesn't have to have the best screen. This doesn't have to have the best processor or even software. Obviously, a new startup, we hear Carl pay for nothing talk all the time about how it takes so much extra work for a team to make all this new software. Okay, well, we'll use Niagara Launcher. They have all these things that are appropriately trimmed down and not trying to compete with smartphones because the whole thing isn't competing with smartphones. So it's a really interesting, decently new thing that I think will find a home because it's not going to be ideally compared with smartphones or you're missing the point. It is different from a smartphone. It's so clearly made by somebody in the community that we are all in. Because, like, my favorite thing, notification LED. Yeah. Like, come on. We've all been asking. Yeah, in the power button. Smart. And, like, it can be based on contacts or based on apps that are giving you notifications. It's what we always ask for. Yeah, exactly. And it's because this is a thing that they're saying. It's a second phone optimized for communicating. Yeah. So much of it's supposed to be based on triaging inbox and, like, seeing when you want to actually, like, pick up your phone. And it's because, like, maybe you don't care about some emails right now, but if you're getting the Slack color notification, maybe that's what you do need to pick your phone up for. Like, every photo of this with the screen on shows, like, the messages hub, which is just, like, answering, replying to messages. That's what the thing is best at. Yeah. Which is what's where, I mean, it's really shipped as, like, a weekend phone. Like, you use it on the weekend to just kind of, like, get stuff done. Or, like, a secondary device if you're, like, a business person. Can you use this as your main phone? Okay, you could. Yeah, I guess. It's a full Android phone. This is where I'm getting kind of confused. Yes, it is a full Android phone. They said you can download apps. You can download, like, there was a TikTok or YouTube or whatever on it. I'm confused a little bit because it has its own SIM card. Yes. It has, they're saying second phone, so it's, like, a phone you use as a companion. Yes. With your regular phone. but does it have a second phone number? Yes, so I saw this in the script last night so I texted Michael Fisher to get you an answer for this. Oh yeah, speaking of which. Because full disclosure, we know in like Michael Fisher. Yeah, we love Michael Fisher. We probably take everything with a grain of salt, maybe one of those cool grains that are vibrating at 30,000 on that night that I really want if you're still listening to Seattle. Used to be my roommate. We see each other like twice a week. So if you think I'm lying, then that's fair. I'm doing my best here. That's a great disclosure. Let's see what he said. I said question. Oh, yeah. He said, yeah, we've seen some confusion around this. It is a full phone with a physical SIM and eSIM support, but you need a second number. We're not doing anything at the moment in terms of number mirroring or forwarding. The target customer either uses mostly federated messaging apps like Telegram or WhatsApp or whatever. Yeah, or Slack or whatever. I mean, this is where I with multiple sign-ons and or maintains two phone numbers like Marquez. Anyway. Yeah. So when I say companion phone, it's not paired in any way to your phone. It's just you have a separate phone that you try to use less and you have this as your main communicator. And you answer your Slack messages on this. You answer your Telegram messages, all the things that you're signed into that will sync and will mark as read everywhere else. Yeah. That's I'm just curious if this could be someone's primary device. It definitely could. I think it runs Android, and you can install whatever Android apps you want. It's just not ideal. It's fully over a lot of the players. Because I don't think a lot of people are going to be buying this as a secondary device outside of our sphere. Yeah, really? Well, maybe the business community. I feel like business people just get iPhones. They get an old iPhone or something. Or a Samsung phone with Knox. I've seen a couple of people with BlackBerrys. Or like work phones. That's what I mean. Work phones or business phones. You just get issued an iPhone. usually yeah i don't know i my thing was like i i think this is awesome i would want it which what i want might be impossible so i think that's totally fair but like i would want it to use my number because i still use text messaging so much i mean you could just use those your main phone yeah i see too the thing is this would be my this problem this would be my weekend phone this would be my week day phone because yeah i get a lot of stuff done at work i would be able to really quickly see notifications on it and when i get home and i only have two hours before lane goes to bed doom scroll no i can't doom scroll because this is what i'm using whereas my normal phone on the weekend where maybe i have more time to screw around on it or i'm capturing more things based on what we're doing that's when i use my so how about this great point how about you get you switch to google fi you get one of their data only sims that's free you put the data only sim in your pixel you use this on as your main phone and on the weekend you don't have to respond the techs anyway yeah my real thing is i think i'd rather almost just use this as my only phone and now that i'm carrying a camera around with myself all the time yeah honestly yes i think a lot of people are going to want to use this as their only phone my other issue is that being the keyboard nerd on this i have zero nostalgia for phone keyboards however but i do want to try it really bad because it seems like however so so a big problem that people had with the original clicks were was that like the key the keys were a little bit too close to each other and they were pretty small because this is does not have to adhere to that classic 21 by 9 aspect ratio and it's wider because the square screen the keys are actually quite a bit bigger so you might have a better experience typing on this thing that you don't this has just always been what confuses well not confusing me what keeps me personally from the clicks line of stuff is because i do have like the nostalgia factor for physical keyboards but there's something like i'm so good now with a on screen keyboard like swiping and all that i don't know if i go back if i would still be as good there might be a learning curve i have a feeling because this is what happened when i tried clicks is like there is a learning curve where i get dramatically slower when switching to a new keyboard but perhaps yeah after using it for a while i could be just as fast if not faster and enjoy it more and it's got voice detects but it is very frustrating voice detects like you can customize the side button also and one of the things to do is you press it and hold it and it automatically brings in speech to text and then when you let go it just sends it like it's just like an easier way to communicate i needed to let go and then let me review it before sending it because speech to text has done me so before also it has a headphone jack headphone jack it has micro sd that's micro sd it has like like i said this was built by somebody android what do you What do you need micro-OZ for? Expansion. Storage expansion. What are you storing? What are you not wanting? Messages. Yeah. I have 500 gigabytes of text. What? I'm joking. Yeah, I feel like it should have like 64 gigs. Yeah, the cameras are notably not that good, but like, who cares? Yeah. I've never cared about my phone camera. That's. I don't know if I believe you. That's a lie. I only sometimes care about my phone. camera i've never with a straight face i've never cared about this camera i've met yeah i have never thought once about a camera in a phone david amell not a single time notable not caring about photos and cameras i haven't made possible videos about it at all they also uh like you said they updated the keyboard in a bunch of different ways from the font to the size to the spacing it also can be can work as a trackpad um like you can scroll across it which is also kind of nice because since the screen is smaller now your thumb is not in the way um along with that the you can do a bunch of shortcuts through certain buttons there's specifically a clicks button on it but you can program uh different shortcuts on there i love it it's like raycast on my phone just like quick key bindings and everything because i had them um there is a launch price of what is it so the actual so the actual price is going to be 499 okay there is a early bird price um reservation price which is 399 so i think if you pay in full now you can get it for 100 cheaper yeah and then there's a reservation deposit of 200 so you have to um but that also says to lock in the early bird price oh yeah that's confusing that's why i'm confused okay Oh, but if you do paint it in full, you get two back covers. It has a replaceable back cover. It has a replaceable, so it's got a colored back cover, and you can just swap them out for a different color if you want. Can you replace the battery? If I can hot swap batteries. That's a great question. If you can replace the back, I don't think so. Oh, my God. I doubt it, but that would be amazing. But then they probably couldn't IP. Yeah. It's T2 and silicon carbon. I don't think you can. There's also a fingerprint sensor on the space bar. The space bar, yeah. This is amazing. Also, the reason the notification LED is on the side button is because whether it's face up or face down on the table, you'll still be able to see it. And I don't remember if you guys remember the BlackBerry, um, the back BlackBerry, God, it was the Android one that slid out. It went, remember that? Was it the Priv? Priv. The Priv had a touch sensitive keyboard. So you could like, you could use it as like a mouse by just scrolling your finger and it kind of hurt a little bit. This does the same thing. yeah the track the track pad is touch sensitive so you can like scroll your finger around it and it kind of hurts a little bit um yeah it's crazy and then you've got a bunch of different colors it's just it's so cool in my eyes it's affordable this is we talk so much about dumb phones and this is not a dumb phone but this feels like the better version of all of those phones of like a productivity phone a non-distracting phone it's the perfect i think this is better at home and The perfect product. Again, it's like if someone came out with a $500 phone that had a bad camera and had a bunch of stuff that's not up to competing with other $500 flagships, you'd be mad. But this is such a specific product that does such a specific thing that doesn't really have competitors. The cameras aren't... I mean, it's 50 megapixel. It has OIS. It's got a 24 megapixel front-facing camera. I can guarantee it's not going to be good. It's not going to be good. A Pixel or whatever $500 phone's out there. For sure. It's good enough. But it has T2, which most phones don't have. Pixel, think about the $500 Pixel. The Pixel has it. If you buy a $500 Pixel, you get Qi 2, you get a good battery, you get, Tensor's not good, but you get really good cameras. Well, and also it didn't launch at $500. Well, what's the 9A cost? 9A? Yeah, I guess the A. The A is $550, I think. Yeah. But this, I'm not expecting it to do those things. I'm expecting it to have an amazing keyboard and to do the notification light and the Qi 2 and the headphone jack. And the headphone jack. Yeah. Well, it has 256 gigabytes of storage, which the Pixel doesn't have, by the way. That's hilarious. If we remember. That's hilarious. Yeah. And expandable storage. Micro SD has two terabytes. You want to have a two terabyte texting phone? Let's freaking go, baby. How many messages you can store with two terabytes of Micro SD? All of them. All of the messages. We're Pixel. We have the best camera ever. Here's 128 gigs. We literally just sent text messages. Double it. Yes, I texted Fisher literally yesterday, and I was like, Because his office is near my apartment, and I was like, you don't have one just lying around I could bring into the podcast, do you? And he was like, man, we brought them all to CES, but I would love to get you some immediately if you want. We'll take five. So, yeah, we'll take five. Anyway. The Pixel 9A is on sale right now at Google.com or GoogleStore.com. It is currently $3.99. Well, so is this. Nice. If you pre-order it. And you get more. You get more storage. Anyway, I just think it's cool as heck. And I think that if social media did not exist and forced us to do everything in 21 by 9, this is what we could have just on the market all the time with many different options. But social media had to standardize everything. This segment was not sponsored by clicks in any way. It wasn't. Well, it doesn't matter that he's one of my best friends. If you think I'm lying. If you think I'm lying, maybe. It's possible. I could be tricking you. Are we going to talk about the AI assistant that's built into it? I don't know. There's no way. I'm joking. It's just Michael Fisher. He pops up in the corner. It's like the Weeaboo thing. It's like Michael Fisher in a Star Trek star-klee uniform. Oh, my God. Wait. That would be so good. I protect you. Don't give him any ideas. He's like, what do you need? Honestly, yeah, the notification LED thing is huge. It's so good. I said to him last night, it was like, three cents of cost, unlimited value. And the colors on the back that you can get are like this, like, seafoam blue. There's like a gray that's kind of like a granite gray. There's like the cool orange that's kind of like burnt. There is the green that's sort of like a forest green. Waveform green as we... From that Reddit post that was like Men only like one color There like a wine color There a slate gray There's neon yellow, which only Michael Fisher likes. What? No, me too. That's my favorite color. I have the phone. No, this is like... This is neon. It's piss. You all are pissed. I'm the real piss boy. I can't use that. No, you know what? Leave it in. Leave it in. Leave it in. Leave it in. There is a burnt hot pink purple thing. And then there is a burnt magenta, I guess we say. And then there's a leather back. Is that leather or red? Looks like leather to me. Yeah, it's leather. It might be vegan leather. I'm going to pre-order. I'm going to reserve one. I will hopefully review it. I'm going to check it out. Oh, and we forgot to mention, the actual body color also comes in three colors. It comes in white, green, and black. Oh, there's a green? White's the correct one. There's a forest green, though. I know, but the white looks so good. I'd rather it be white with a green back. I just always worry about white products. Like, if they're going to, in my pocket, just turn with a weird color. Patina? Yeah. It'll pick up the blue jeans. I don't know. I don't know. Might not. Anyway, speaking of worried. I'm worried about the next trivia question. As you should be. Because we spoke about Lego. in this MLS recently. Three hours ago. Three hours ago. Right at the beginning. I did not expect this to go this long, but I should have known. Currently, the most expensive set you can buy on the website is what and for how much? Two points on the line. Okay. How specific do we have to get? Very specific. Closest price without going over. Without going over. I just heard of a new set they're releasing. It's very specific. Yeah, are you counting that one? Is it sets that you can currently buy on the shelf right now? Because the one that they announced, I think it's... It's launching January 24th. So it's not out. You could buy it, but it'll get to you on January 24th. So the answer is something I first heard. I don't want to say anything else. There's a bunch of them, but it's like the one that's currently on the website, scored by highest price. What's that first? Oh, so I'm not going to get that. I'm not going to get any points this year. I told you I should be worried. Well, I'm going to learn something new today. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back. Welcome back. This next segment, we are going to do 2026 predictions, but I'm going to spice it up a bit. This is going to be a competition. Oh, no. Yeah. What? I'm calling it Call Your Shot. So you have to call your shot for the rest of the year. You're making your prediction, but we are going to revisit this at the end of the year, and I'm going to tally up the correct predictions and the wrong predictions. So you want to be accurate, but not too accurate. You want to be like... Closest but not going over. Yeah, closest but not going over. All right, so first question. I'm just going to ask you guys a bunch of questions, and you guys are going to make your predictions. Okay, so yes or no, basically. No, some of them are like... Over, under. Yeah, over, under. Name a product, you know. Scam reel. For example, what is one product that will not ship this year? Oh, easy. CyberCab. too easy that doesn't get what cyber cab yeah is that your cake well because they announced it would ship this year and at that i think that's a pretty good take that it will not i mean there are hundreds of thousands of robo taxis by the end of 2025 of course of course we hear that every day um road ship ship then the zen phone no if we're just trying to tally as many yeah yeah but if we want to make like a bold prediction i'll say it's not half of your prediction it's just can i say the i'm gonna say rabbit r2 but just whatever this like three in one rabbit thing is vision pro 2 i think i like cyber cab because it was announced that it would ship this year right yeah it has something that's been announced you can't just like make up a thing My thing's like a rumor. It's also funny because my prediction last year was there would be a Rabidark 2 last year. Oh, yeah. And I was wrong, so I'm doing the opposite. Well, what else have they announced will come out this year? Or something that might be rumored to come out. Oh, the Razer thing. The Razer thing. Like, iPhone Air would be an interesting thing. I think it makes it. Didn't they say they weren't going to make it this year? Well, that's a question. That's not something we have for sure. Folding iPhone is another one? No, that's coming out this year. People all think that's this year. It's coming out. I know. I know it's coming out. Oh. I'll go with that. No folding iPhone this year. Okay. Oh, wow. You're wrong on that one. I tell you. He gets that part. That could be a huge point. I have some insider knowledge. It's possible that it could not come out, but just based on everything I've read from Ming-Chi Kuo and stuff like that, it would almost be more expensive for it not to come out this year than to put it out and have it be bad. I can't hear it. You know what I mean? Seriously. I was literally, I was thinking that. I was like, the new series? The new series? The new series? Yeah, that's a mess. Guys, we're missing the obvious one, the easy, the slam dunk, the Kareem hookshot. You can get a point. Yeah, I will. I said it two weeks ago. Yeah, it's the 1X Neo. There's no way that's coming out. Does that stick them out in 2026? It's just coming out in 2026. Oh, okay. That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah. So we all think Pickle's coming out. Do we think Pickle's coming out? I wanted to say the new series. I think Pickle is coming out. I think it's just going to be bad. Yeah. I wanted to say the new Siri, but I feel like at DubDub, they can't not re-announce it. That's what we said last year. Oh. It's true. Didn't it get announced at DubDub last year? No, two years ago. No, two years ago. Yeah, but it's still not out. Yeah, maybe this year they just spend talking about folding displays. Wait. I feel like I have to ask a question about my Neo prediction. What? Like, if they just send people a lifeless corpse, like a mannequin that doesn't work, do I lose? I think right now... Like, what does ship mean? I can't believe we're here where we have to say, like, what does ship mean? I think if they ship and it's still just teleoperated, that counts because that is what they said they were going to do. So you would lose that bet. But a lifeless corpse that doesn't even turn out. No. Well, they're not going to do that. Tesla Optimus. And we're thinking along the lines of a while ago where we said, like, when does the F-150 Lightning ship? Because, like, we're saying, like, 50 people non-review, hands-on. Okay, so it's Ford-Tesla-Cyber-Lightning rules. Yeah. Yeah. All right. And I will maintain what I said last episode, that if this does ship in 2026, even Peliopi, I'll eat more hot sauce. I can't wait for some. And it gets to feed you the hot sauce. If that, yeah, you have permission. Mr. Neo. I'm assuming the guy who founded the company's name is either Mr. Neo or Mr. One X. Um, cause all companies are, um, but, uh, like Mr. Apple founder and, and Bill Microsoft. Yeah. And, uh, Elon Tesla. No, Elon PayPal. No, it's Elon. No, it's Elon boring guys. That's it. Am I right? No. Uh, yeah. You have permission to send one of the studio and have a tele-op pot sauce into my mouth. Nice. Cheers, Vicks. Damn. Whoa, is that an actual person? I don't feel like it could get delayed. I don't feel like it could get delayed. Are you just throwing it out there? Are you kind of throwing it out there? I don't feel like it could get delayed again, but I've been wrong many times. So if you get it wrong, is there a penalty involved? No, it's just less chance of winning. Yeah. Okay, got it. Okay, yeah, I'll stick with mine then. My new Streetlight Manifesto album. Yeah. How about... Ooh, okay, here's one. Okay, this is actually a good one. The Honda Afila Sony car that they did announce at CS is going to ship this year. The SUV or the car? Because they rolled out a brand new SUV without even shipping the car. I'll take either one. The car. Yeah, I like that guess. Will Threads federate? No. It's over. Threads federate. Now, can we get a definition? It's over. Will Feds threaderate? I'm asking for a definition because at the moment I share it to Threads and it shares to the Fediverse. But that's not what you're talking about. So what do you mean by... I don't break this. The full Federation would be someone replies to you on Macedon. You see their reply on Threads. you can like their reply, which you can currently do, but you can also reply, which you cannot currently do. Can I say something? Do you know why the Fediverse will never work? Because you've been trying to explain it to us for three years and we're still asking this game four questions. It's so easy. It's like you post something on Natsudon and you see it on threads. It needs to get to the point where we don't need to explain it. That's the issue. Picture a world where you cannot email me because you have Gmail and I have Hotmail. Yeah. Now picture not that. That's the Fediverse. Everything works. So everyone says no? No, wait, the entire Fediverse is over? No. Oh, just the Threadiverse. The Threadiverse is over. Yeah, that makes sense. Will Apple or Samsung get a silicon carbon battery product? Phone. Product or phone? What do we think? Yeah, yeah. Oh, they make so many products. What if my Samsung washing machine has silicon carbon? Yeah, phone. It was Samsung or Apple. Those two companies only? Specifically those two because we've already seen them from the Chinese manufacturers. We have to pick one or just yes or no for both? Oh. So I have some context that might help this answer. When I was at Google I.O. last year, a Pixel engineer came up to me and he said, I know you guys keep wondering where the silicon carbon is coming in the U.S., but I just, so you know, all the Chinese companies are shipping it and it's very unsafe. And, like, it has way less charging cycles than regular lithium-ion. And we're not using it because, yeah, it's higher capacity and lasts longer. But they die within, like, two years. It also expands. And they expand worse and blah, blah, blah. So it seems like the Western companies are more concerned with, like, longevity and or safety, especially Samsung, who has had battery problems in the past, which would lead me to believe that nobody's going to use it this year. Although, does the iPhone Air use Silicon Carbon? No. It does not. It doesn't. So that's an interesting, I've heard some of those same anecdotes from people who work at these companies. I think that that means that at the end of this year, we'll know if that's true or not, because we'll have two-year-olds, like OnePlus 13 will be two years old. Yeah. And so we'll have two-year-old Silicon Carbon phones out there that will either still be doing fine, or they will start to have, they'll start to show their flaws. so I think we'll probably continue to see no silicon carbon from the big two for one more year but we'll also find out if that was a mistake or not. I think next year is when the western companies will start shipping silicon carbon but not this year. I'm going to say yes. I'm going I want to win this game or I want to lose this game. Okay nice. Next question. Will the Pixel 11 get a redesign can we do will the pixel 11 base storage be 256 it has to be yeah you would know do we define redesign by like big redesign or just like just a new refinement from like from seven to eight yeah because nine to ten was like the same phone you know so it'll have it'll still have a camera visor it's gonna look the same i think the visor is gonna look different i think it's gonna be a redesigned visor but still be a visor kind of similar to how it went from the like melting over the edge to now being its own. I agree. Something about that will change to be more obviously not the 10. Do you think it's going to be more unibody like the iPhone, but then have like the glass charging back? That'd be cool. Like aluminum? Would that count as a redesign? Yeah. Yeah? I don't think they're going to do that. I agree with you. I think it will be a slightly different visor, but I don't think it's enough to be a redesign. Like a redesign, when you say that, I picture them going with something that looks very different, which I don't know. Like a regular phone upgrade. Like all the Pixels, you knew they were Pixels, you know? Yeah. But what Samsung does from year to year is not a redesign. No, no. What Apple did with the Pro phone this year is a redesign. Yeah. I would argue every Pixel until the 9 to 10 was redesigned. So that's kind of what I'm thinking. So every Pixel from 9 to 10 was redesigned. It was a different phone. You could tell it was a Pixel, but it was a different phone. Pixel 7 and Pixel 8 were... I would say 7 and 8 was not a redesign. 8 to 9 was a redesign. 9 to 10 was not a redesign. Yeah, okay. That's fair. I guess when I picture redesign, I picture going from the ground. It was a slightly updated design, but I don't think that's a redesign. A redesign is like, let's go back to the drawing board. Pixel 8 and 9 were different. I know. I said 7 and 8 were the same, and 9 and 10 are the same. Got it. Yeah, TikTok. Well, that would mean that they're going to redesign it again, and 11 and 12 will be the same. Yeah. I think something, like, they might do, like, a two-tone color between the bump. Although I guess that it doesn't connect, it doesn't. They're also selling so well right now that I feel like they're going to be a little bit scared to change anything. Okay, I'm going with, I'm going with, yes, they will slightly update the visor. So that's a redesign. Yes. Okay, yeah, I'm going with that. I'm going to go with no. It's going to be the same as the Pixel 10. Yeah. I kind of want to go yes. That would be very Samsung with them. I want to go there will be a redesign. We're going to have to really figure out how to define that. Yeah. It'll be orange. It's a redesign. All right, next question. What will be the phone of the year? Whoa. Way too early prediction for phone of the year. Yeah, phone of the year is an easy one. iPhone Fold. I'm kidding. Well, okay. So we think iPhone Fold is going to come out. It will. That's an option, right? Okay. We're going to get... We know the obvious ones are going to come out. Yeah. We know there's going to be a new S26 and a new iPhone and a new Pixel and a new... And a new Zenfone. Oh. Exactly, yeah. We know there's going to be a new Xiaomi. Xiaomi 17 Ultra is coming. And probably the 18 and 19 and 20 in the same area, probably. Yeah, yeah. What is going to be the phone of the OnePlus 5S and then the 16? I was going to say... Apple Find X10 Pro. OnePlus 16 finally decides to put a reasonable camera in it. That was above reasonable. I mean, that was everyone's, like, flagship camera. That was everyone's problem with it. If that happened, I agree that if that happened, it would be phone of the year. I just don't think that's going to happen. I believe in you, OnePlus. All right, Andrew's gone phone of the year, OnePlus 16. I could see it. That's a good guess. I'm trying to read my future self what I think would happen. I'm gonna Let's go with Marquez can literally Do whatever he wants I can decide which one wins I can make sure you guys are wrong too Let's go Let's go Pixel finally figures itself out Tensor LMAO I think I thought this last year I think this is the year That Pixel finally Has a high quality chip Your prediction last year is the year of the Pixel I think it's going to be the Clix Communicator. Yeah, maybe. Oh, January. Interesting. Show. You would probably never choose that as your fun of the year, though. So I'm going to say... Honestly, 1 plus 18 is a good choice. 18? I don't know. If the 1 plus 18 comes out next year, it's definitely getting fun of the year. I would... I want to go with the 1 plus 2. I mean, you can. You can, if you want. I could. I'll do that. I think they're going to fix the camera. They're not going to make it good, but they're going to make it not trash. They should partner with a really good camera company. Like Hasselblad? Oops. Whoops. They already got rid of that. One plus 18. 16. You guys want to make predictions on fun of the year? I'm going iPhone Fold. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think first generation Fold. It's going to be $2,000. I think it's going to be hard to give, because we now know what a good fold is kind of supposed to be. A trifold. You know what could win? The trifold. It's not going to happen, but if the iPhone Air adds a silicon carbon battery and a second camera. No way. I think it'll add the second camera. If it had the silicon carbon battery, that'd be so crazy. It's not going to do it, but that would be pretty nice. It would be. You would lose two points on this. That's too much innovation in one year. Yeah. Takes time. They have to keep selling stuff. I do think the next regular generation iPhone, or maybe the Pro 2, is going to be an absolute banger. I think with everything going into the fold and now the air, I think they're going to do a pretty big... What do you think... I mean, this year was already... Yeah, I was going to say, you think they're going to do it next year? One. Like, two exit next year? The reason it won this year was because it was so much better than last year. That's the reason it won. Yeah. It finally did the things. So I don't think it's going to win twice. That's a good point. Yeah. Well, then the Veritu. It's the most expensive one. No, it's the cheapest. Try and buy a 24-7 assistant as long as they're not sleeping. For $5,000. The Books Palma. The Books Palma Pro 2. Cool. Three. What do you think Google is going to add to its graveyard this year? They're going to add something. Gemini. There's no question that they're going to kill something. What are they going to kill? They're going to kill it. AI over you. Kill AI Overview. Have they officially killed Google Assistant yet? That's a really good one. I would say yes. My Google Assistant is acting like it's on its deathbed. Well, do you have a Google Home? Yeah. Has it switched to Gemini yet? No, but it is hurting. So my Google Home app is updated, and all of my Google Homes have switched to the new Gemini Assistant, so Gemini. So now I think it's time for them to fully, officially sunset Google Assistant. I think that's a really good pick. I think it's probably already officially sunset. I'm not sure. I don't think it is quite yet. Let me just Google it. Killed by Google. Man, my thing in Google is, can we talk about real quick? Now I'm pissed because I said AI assistant. Can we talk about how at lunch today, we all spent time just trying to Google stuff, and it took us 10 minutes to Google a basic fact because everyone's AI overview kept spitting out a different thing, and we kept being like, well, I don't know if that's right. My AI overview says it's 79. My AI overview says it's 45. Even though we're all Googling the same thing, I hate this feature so much. I forgot to say this before, but Ellis, you specifically will like this. Okay, so over the break, I was trying to do something in Notion. So I thought, it's Notion. Let me use the Notion AI chat because it's just something I can't figure out how to do. So anyways, half an hour of this thing just gaslighting me into like, these are the buttons to press. This is what you need to do. This is the menu you need to go to. This is the database. Every time it told me to do something was not a thing that existed. And then I just give up. And I said, so this is the first conversation we've had, and it resulted in no help. So if I've tried Noting AI one time and it's given me zero helpful results, what would the baseball batting percentage be of your helpfulness? He said, if you're defining helpful as got the results you wanted, then zero helpful results out of one attempt. Baseball batting average equals hits divided by at-bats equals zero divided by one, which equals 0.000, which is 0%. And I said, do you think this belongs in the big leagues? We divide it by zero. And it said, not based on what just happened. And I said, enjoy the minors, pal. And it said, fair. In the car this morning, David and I were just talking about how, like, we're all going to feel so silly in, like, 10 years when we look back and think, wow, we really thought they were going to be able to do everything. Like everything from like cook a meatball parmesan to invent a cancer drug. This specifically made me mad, and I tried a Google AI in Google Docs also. Those are like, you are the AI based on the product that I'm using. I feel like you should be able to tell me the things the product can do. Nah. Nope. Nah. So sorry. I'm glad they kill Notebook LM. Oh, really? And they kill... They put a dedicated app out for it. Yeah. That's the end of that. Now, think about how much revenue Notebook LM generates in the form of insane amounts of data that people are just handing over to Google. People actually use it. Oh, that's a good book. The way that Notebook LM people on Reddit talk about it is like, I uploaded my entire iOS Notes app that's been there for 10 years. Oh, I uploaded my entire 50,000 email inbox. Like, people are uploading crazy swaths of their data to Notebook.lm. Do you know how OpenAI was getting in trouble for they, like, upload all those books? Yeah. Is Notebook.lm just the way to get all the users to upload all the copyrighted materials so that they can just listen to it as a podcast and then... That also is not, because that, yeah. Wow. People are doing it for, like, textbooks and lectures and stuff like that. Is that just like, hey, feed me? I mean, I don't know exactly what Google lets themselves train on and what they don't, but it would be my guess that Notebook LM is, like, amazingly valuable for them. 28 minutes ago, OpenAI launches ChatGPT Health, encouraging users to connect their medical records. I was supposed to be getting my medical records to the owner of ChatGPT? Oh, no. Wait for after dark. I think they're going to kill Project Starline. That'd be really sad. Because we kept it alive for one more year with our video. And I think Google's now like, yeah, never mind. I'm worried anything I say, Google will be like, we meant to kill that like two years ago, and now I remember. All right, we've been paying five engineers to 100,000. Is this the year keep actually goes down? No. No. I'm speaking with Google Assistant. It's also crazy. If you look at killedbygoogle.com, however long you think that list is, It's so much longer. It's a 299 product. It's so much longer. What's the most recent one? Dark Web Reports. Yeah. Jamboard Chromecast. Oh, Chromecast is dead. Holy cow. Yeah. They also... Netflix killed the Chromecast this up and over the holiday break. You can no longer cast to Netflix anymore. Damn. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I'm going to say Starline. Probably Starline. I want to guess something like a YouTube feature. YouTube. they're gonna kill youtube search they're still youtube shorts part of me thinks they're gonna kill like oh oh the the hype thing that that'll be gone by the end of the year that's going yeah youtube i'll be gone by the end of the year i don't think they're gonna keep voice comments around i think they'll be funny for like a few months and then that's a test it's a really good Got the good one? Yeah. I like the idea. I like the idea of... At lunch, Eric was talking about just leaving voice comments on the bottom of the video, so it's just screaming. So it's just like, oh, that was a funny video. Ah! Nice. All right, one and two more? Yeah, two more. All right. Will there be a black pro iPhone this year? Black? Absolutely yes. There has to be. I think so. There has to be a black pro iPhone. Are you pleading, or are you making a prediction? Both. What if they call it, like, space dark matter, but it's still not black? It's fine. It's whenever we consider black. I think we give it to Tim, and if Tim says it's black. Well, like, space gray is the black phone, you know? Yeah. Any dark neutral. Dark neutral. I think Marques is... Can I shoot a reflective surface with this and see the phone is, like, the... I don't mean, like, the piano black. Which, I mean, the blue one... Yeah. Yeah, because the blue one's the blue. That's midnight blue. It's a blue phone. It's blue. Like, space gray, it's black, whatever. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, are we getting another one of those? Space gray is not black. Space gray is not black. But I would consider that a success. Yeah. You know? It's 18% gray. You think this was, you think that was black? Yeah. That's black because it's not a color. I don't agree with. It's not reflecting any color. I'm not talking about 50 shades of gray here. I'm saying, is there color or not? Well. Wait, so it's white black? I'm messing with that. I must say they will have a black phone because it seems to me that he's saying pro pro pro. Yeah, because it seems to me that every the tick tock cycle for them is like new phone, fun, like kind of colorful, interesting. And then the next year they're like hardcore scary. And then they go back into the fun, interesting and then hardcore scary. And they kind of do that. Yeah. So I'm going to say yes. I also think they made a whole bunch of changes with the new Pro iPhone this year, visually. This is my very scientific analysis. Next year, they're not going to redesign the Pro iPhone, but they still want you to have a way to be able to tell that you're holding the new iPhone. So it will not come in orange, or it will at least come in some new colors that you can hold up and be like, this is the new Pro iPhone. And black is one of them. There was a black titanium iPhone, right? Yeah. 15. I think it needs, like, I don't know, some of those space grays are just not black to me. Just the way this is black. Okay, space gray, whatever. Okay, space gray? Yeah, just the black one. Just the black one. Just the black one. Yeah, some dark neutral. Yes, we're getting one. I'm saying it. It's happening. Okay. I'm still going to say no. Midnight doesn't count? No, it's blue. No, because it's midnight blue. And when you look at it, that's like a dark blue phone. I think midnight's been the closest to black. Yeah, I don't know why. It's definitely been the closest to black. The barometer is the blue. Because if it's blue, I don't want it. last one make it the hardest one will we hit a million subscribers I wish thanks for 500,000 we wanted to do it by end end of the year no longer hype us that's why it'll die that's why my prediction is going to be correct we're unhypeable now I have a bunch of more predictions about iPhone collars I think the pro folding iPhone is only going to be black or white I think the colors will change for the new base iPhone, and they will get rid of the fun green we all like. I think there's going to be a dark neutral Pro iPhone color. I think the Air is going to come in a new color. They're going to add a color for the second Air. I think they're going to bring back the teal from the 16. That'd be nice. There's a couple older colors that were universally liked that they could bring back. The 12-series purple and the 16-series teal are just... 1230 is blue as well, or pro blue. Can I make a bold prediction for air color? Yeah. Rose gold. Oh, I like it. It makes so much sense on the air. Yeah. Maybe on the fold. Maybe on the fold. I think fold's going to be one color. Black. You think it's going to be black? Yeah. It's either just black or maybe black or space gray. Yeah. I think it's going to be one color. I had the white and gold iPhone 4S. That was my first phone. And I got it. And I thought it was so funny to have a gold phone that I just started buying everything in my life in gold. And it culminated with my freshman year dorm sheets and bed being gold. I just thought it was so funny to be the gold guy. That's crazy. I don't know why that's so funny. It's really funny, right? It's really tacky. The Rivian R2 is supposed to come out in 2026. It is. Do you think it's going to come out? I do. I think it will come out in 2026. As a stake of my reservation, I believe. You were in an R2, not an R3? An R2, yeah. Yeah. I think R2 will get more orders than R3. Really? Yeah. More popular category. Agree. But the R3 is so cool. The R3 is supposed to be cheaper and supposed to be way more fun, but the R2 as a category is just higher volume. But the R3X will be the best one. It will be the best one. Looks like a stubblewool Okay Alright I think we did it I'm getting zero points on trivia Wait, wait, wait, wait We need the marker I have one You have one I have one I might just need to share Pad phone or phone pad? I'm thinking so hard Pad tie Guys Which one Pat to you Which one is a phablet? Which one specifically is an 8 inch phablet? Which is a phablet? Which one is an 8 inch phablet? A phablet Does not have a dock No keyboard, just a straight phablet. The phone pad or the pad phone. And remember. No, no, no, don't say that part. I think I got this right. I think I know what you're going to say. You don't know what I'm going to say. Okay. Phone. No, that's what I was going to say. Phone in both of these cases is not spelled in the P-H. That's exactly what I was going to say, and I was ready to make fun of both of them for it. No. You a**hole. Ellis, we are on the same plane We have worked together for so long Believe in me I didn't know I thought you were going to say I know he just erased it too And he has it still Wait, was I supposed to switch them? I mean, I don't think it's going to care anymore Marquez, what did you put? I wrote phone pad Phone pad is correct You know, we had on the bingo that Ellis accidentally says the answer out loud before the question is that. The phone pad is a phablet that, also, guys, we didn't acknowledge it, a six inch phablet is hilarious, right? Yeah. It came in six or eight inches. Eight is crazy. With a number in between. It comes in eight, so it's phone pad? With an F. With an F. So Marques changed his. I could have at least had all of us at zero points. Not zero. We didn't finish the last season. Well, for this round. It's just been so long since I got in points. Can I break in here? What did David and Andrew put? Pad phone. He put the same thing as I did. Oh, yeah. All right, so you both got it wrong. Yes. Cool. So then, quick update on the score. After that correct answer, Marquez with 11. Woo! Andrew with 14 and David also with 11. Look at that. Woo. It means so much to me that I got a point that you guys... I want it taken away. 11 club. 11 club. Carry the one, baby. 11 club. 11, 11, make a wish. I bet you wish for 14 points. There's two points up for grabs. I could get really close here. Wow. I'm not going to. I'm not going to. I just got... But I could. Someone call the ambulance. All right. After that, third degree burn. Wait, hold on. Why would the pad phone not be a phone? That is unreasonable, Azean. Think about how you would name a product. If you were making a tablet, you'd end it with pad. And if you were making a phone, you'd end it with phone. Yeah. So the phone pad is the tablet. Yeah. The big, big screen. And the pad phone is a phone that plugged into a thing to become a tablet. Didn't I say pad phone? No, you said phone pad. No, phone pad is the correct answer. Oh, yeah, you said pad phone. I said pad phone. Oh, you said pad phone. Yeah, right. Because think about it. It's like I wanted a tablet. Your whole explanation proved us right. I'm getting it. You got it right. Wait a second. But yeah, his question was, everything I said, but the other way. Wait, you're padding the phone. Who's driving the car? This isn't something that only Pegatron would do. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Okay, we spoke about Lego. The most expensive set that you can currently buy on the website at time of recording is what? And also, how much is that thing? Two points, potentially up for grabs. We didn't use the trivia question Mariah gave us at the break. Oh, that is a good one. Okay, maybe we can do a... You can get one right and one wrong, right? Yes. Yeah, I got it. Are we doing closest without going over? Yeah, closest without going over. Price is right. Hopefully. Hopefully. Flip them and read. What do you got? Oh, interesting. Okay. I like it. I'll start. I want the cheapest. I said it's the Death Star, and I said that's correct. Oh, sweet. It's the Death Star. Oh, wow. And I thought it was $5.99. $5.99. I'm sorry. $5.49. I wrote $5.49. $5.49? Yeah. I can't see the board. Can I get confirmation on that? Yeah. All right. It's big. I'm still thinking. Okay. Andrew, what'd you say? I wrote $7.99. Okay. And I wrote Hogwarts Castle. Oh, no, unfortunately. Okay, David. $9.99. $9.99. And I said Imperial Star Destroyer, which used to be the most expensive set when I was a kid, but I should have assumed it was $9.99. Well, you still get one point for $9.99. That is exactly the price. Go. It was $9.99, and it is a Death Star. I was so scared of... The one I was talking about was there's some new... Not a new Lord of the Rings battle, but what battle is that? The Battle of Mog's Deep. Is it? I don't remember. It's whatever the one they do in that big castle. Not castle. It's the walls that they go up all the way. You've watched Lord of the Rings? Isn't there like a **** in these Lord of the Rings? There's only three. There's three, but there's extended cuts that it's like 2,800 hours. That's in the first four hours. Did it say how much was this, Ellis? Battle of Minas Tirith. What the heck is that? Bless you. You'd know it. How would this not cost more than the Death Star? How many minifigures? How does the Lego set of this... Is there a Lego set of that? I did not have been more sets of that. How many minifigures does that come with? The price I saw is from a leak. Oh, okay. So it's not... Should we do the bonus question? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I want it. What the f***? This actually... How should I flip it? Death Star. Let me think about it. All the Lego Star Wars ones have really cool interiors that you can do. I've got it. I've got it. We weren't originally going to ask this question this week, but it actually does pertain, because we've mentioned a lot of companies on this episode. Sure have. A lot of businesses. Seattle Ultrasonics. Call me. The Seattle Ultrasonics. Ultrasonic knife. That's it. It's the Seattle Ultrasonics. You win. Is that their football team? The Supersonics is the now defunct NBA team. Killed by Google? Yeah. But one of the companies we mentioned this week on the podcast is the world's largest tire producer by volume. They make more tires than any other company on the planet. We've talked about this. What company is it? I gave it away. Damn it. I wanted to gain on Andrew. That would have been really fun. I don't know enough about cars. It's actually better. Really? No, maybe. Then I'm wrong. Then I'm wrong. Marquez is giving nothing away. I mean, there were a lot of Apple car prototypes. That's true. I'm so sorry, David. You're going to be so mad when you see the answer to this. Is it Google? No. It's your boy, Lego. Nope. It's Seattle Ultrasound. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It is Lego. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It's Lego. That can't be considered a real tire. So, yeah, it's a tire. It's a tire and a wheel. This is because we were having this conversation. Do you think there's more doors? I was literally about to bring that up. More wheels. And that's a huge factor. I was literally about to let you know. We are like three hours of recording, and you're bringing up the doors versus wheel argument. We need to get out of here. I was about to say that. I thought this was going to be a hard one to fact check, It's not even close. It's literally not even close how many more tires they produce. Are they really considered tires? They're made of rubber. Do they have air in them? No. Well, a little bit. There's airless tires. They're not pressurized, but they have air in them. The airless basketball is still a basketball. Yeah. No, there's a lot of wheels. Boneless. Actually, I'm not going to go. Boneless chicken wings. How do they get the bones out of the chicken? They suck it out? You don't want to know. That's the perfect place to end this guy. Actually, the machine they use is made by Seattle Ultrascience. It like vibrates the bones out of the mouth. It's a good thing we don't take two weeks off every two weeks because we would have way too much to talk about. But hey, thanks for sticking with us this week. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing and getting us past 500K. It's Onward to a Million. This is the year we do it. Catch you guys on the other side. Peace. Wayfarm was produced by Adam, Elena, and Ellis River and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and a trap to our music was created by Vane Still. Bingo. Let's go. How long is that? 45 minutes? 57. Was it actually? That was the episode. You know what's crazy? I deleted like 60% of the stuff I wrote about pickle.