#404: The Dirty Truth About Your Home's WATER (And Why Most Filters Including Reverse Osmosis Don't Cut It) With Charles Bohdy and Victor Sagalovsky

Welcome to Longevity. I'm your host, Natalie Nidom. I'm a nutritionist, a human potential and epigenetic coach, and I created this podcast to bring you the latest ways to take control of your health and longevity. We cover it all from new technology and ancestral health practices, to personalized interventions, and a very special interest of mine, peptides and bio-regulators. Enjoy the show. Welcome back, folks. I'm Natalie Nidom, your host, and today we're talking about water. Now, let's consider a different way of looking at water. You are not just a body with water in it. You are a body of water. And what's happening in that internal ocean, what gets into it, what gets out of it, matters more than most of us realize. My guest today definitely realized this and have taken on the challenge of how do we provide the body with the cleanest and most biologically enhanced water possible. So my first guest is Charles Bowdie. Charles is a product developer and serial entrepreneur in advanced water purification technology. He has developed a whole house, biodynamic water filtration, no salt softening, and biofield imprinting structuring system, a unique alternative to conventional filters that restores water to its most vital and natural state. This is next level. This biodynamic water system is designed to remove under toxins while supporting biological coherence. There's a lot of big words here. You folks, we talk about what it means in the episode. And I'm telling you, you want to be educated in this stuff. We talk about what it means for our health. And we also talk about how this text been tested in settings where there can be no placebo effect and the effect are undeniable. So Charles is known for creating practical, high impact solutions where other sea limitations. Now, my second guest is someone that you know, Victor Sagalowski, at least some of you will. 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And for Canadian listeners, primordine is now shipping out of Canada. So no more duty and customs to deal with. Welcome to the show, gentlemen. Today, people, we have not one, but two guests. Our first guest is a repeat guest to the podcast is Victor Sagalowski from Lightwater Scientific. Victor, would you like to just say hello to the audience so they can hear your voice? Hi Natalie, hello to the audience. And on the other side of the mic, we have Charles Bodys. Charles, welcome to the podcast. You're a first time guest on the podcast and you are going to, you're really at the center of this new water technology that we're going to be talking about today. Well, thank you. It's my pleasure. And both Victor and Charles are hailing from sunny places, as opposed to me. Really grateful to have you both here. And really, we're talking about, we're talking about a topic, I think, that we just doesn't get addressed nearly enough, right? We do people worry about the air. I mean, look, we worry about our food, we worry about all of the toxins in the air appropriately, because there's so much going on. But one of the most foundational aspects of properly fueling our bodies, and I'm going to refer to fueling in a define that that means very many different things, but a lot of that has to do with water. And water is so foundational to the human experience, to human health, to human functioning. And Charles, I guess, and actually, I'm a little unclear on this. Charles, this is your technology. Yes. And you and Victor have collaborated in some way in terms of bringing it to market, or Victor, did you play a role also in the water system we're talking about today? My only role is to promote the technology. I really believe in technology. It's a great solution for what everybody needs in their home. So outside, outside of the interior, depleted water, you know, but just for practical benefit, for water filtration, for everything you need to do, yeah, this is this is fully Charles's technology. And I'm going to just a big supporter. Amazing. Well, Charles, then that means that puts you center stage, sir. What are the issues that people are facing before we even talk about the technology? I'd love you to unpack a little bit about what are the issues that people knowingly or unknowingly have with the water that they're using in their homes, because this solution you're offering treats the whole home, and which brings up a lot of different topics. So I'd love to invite you to really kind of set the landscape about what are the issues with water that people are facing right now? Well, when it comes to health, wholeness and wellness, you know, we need like you mentioned, clean food, clean air, and clean water. And you know, in North America, we're being bombarded with the opposite, you know, in every category. And so, you know, when it comes to water, they are all sorts of contaminants that we're having to deal with. We have everything from passage in, you know, in Canada and in the US, they only have certain limits or parameters that they have to get municipal water underneath. And that certainly doesn't mean pure, healthy, germ-free, chemical-free, you know, contaminant-free water. It just means it's within a range. And, you know, then there are the sort of maybe more nefarious things that some of your listeners may be aware of with the geoengineering and the nanotechnology and the other, you know, more sort of diabolical things that we're dealing with on a daily basis. So we've got biofilm, we've got pathogens, we've got, you know, chlorine at levels that is four times the level that saves the swim in municipal drinking water all across North America. In the United States, we have fluoride in our water. In the majority municipalities, I mean, with the recent EPA decision, there are certain municipalities that are slowly working on phasing the fluoride out. But then we've got, you know, leftovers from World War II and post-modern industrial processing like, you know, acts and PFAS and some more of the forever chemicals. And that doesn't even, you know, address, you know, chloramines and trihalumethanes and disinfection byproduct. And then you have the deeper darker hole the informational component of water. So, you know, in North America, our water goes down the toilet, down the sink, goes right back into a water treatment plant. They've got these scary looking toilet grabbing machines that grab, you know, white wet wipes and toilet paper out of the water. And it goes through a series of settling tanks where they douse it with massive amounts of chlorine and then they let it settle out through a series of tanks. And then they pump it right back up into our towers again for us to drink all over again. And, you know, Professor Bill Tiller of Stanford, you know, he was the former dean of material sciences. He said that water is a cage-like molecule, capable of storing frequencies and information. So it's akin to a liquid crystal with a memory bank. And even if you filter out and remove all of the toxic chemicals and bacteria and biofilms and, you know, nanotechnology that could be in the in the water, you still have the informational component or the memory of the water. There are a wide variety of whole house water systems that are available for consumers to choose from. Everything from, you know, salt systems or softening, you've got, you know, RO systems just strip out everything. You've got, you know, even distillation technology for little small batches. And then you've got, you know, sort of just kind of big particle catching filters and, you know, carbon blocks or carbon, you know, coconut husk or something like that to remove some of the stuff out of the water. But none of them are really addressing the memory. And, you know, that's really the thing that I was setting out to accomplish is how do we remove all of the real bad containers, all of the pathogens, all of the bad elements, you know, all of the disinfection byproduct from the forever chemicals and still, and, you know, drop the calcium out, but then stick to our pipes and clog our, you know, hot water tank eating elements and the other things. And then do it in a way where we're not trading for salt and slimy water. And, and then also get rid of the memory or the informational component of it. And so I set out to design what I call a completely holistic approach to in-house water purification, softening and structuring or programming as it were to reprogram the memory of the water with something that's healthy after we strip out the bad information that was left behind when we removed all the contaminants. I was wondering if we could talk a little bit about carbon because a lot of people rely on carbon to filter out. And it is definitely something that, and it's interesting what you said about how municipalities, they'll get, they'll, I mean, the good news is we're fortunate enough in North America that we can turn on a tap in most places, have a drink of that water, we're not going to have dysentery, we're not, you know, we're not going to fall over on a dead hospital. So we've got, which is, you know, compared to many third world countries, is probably a luxury. And what we're talking about here is really taking it up a notch. And, and I think understanding that water to our bodies is not just this H2O, it's, it provides information and it's an energetic component that the body then uses to make its own easy water and, you know, other aspects of water, other phases of water, if it will. But, but before we even go down that road, I wanted to just start at the top here and talk about, you know, carbon blocks and what the issues are with a carbon block. Because a carbon block can definitely trap a lot of chemicals, but there's the issue of what happens to what's trapped in there and can that itself become food for another problem? Do you want to speak to that a little bit? Yeah. Sure, absolutely. You know, there's more than one type of carbon, there are granular carbon filters. One of the latest trends is, you know, organic coconut husk carbon. They like to call it. And all of the non-solid block carbon filters are prone to something called tunneling. And what happens is as water begins to travel through the filter, you know, water is very good at eroding its own pathways. It follows it's secretive zone level and looks for that follows the path of least resistance and it goes to the low spot. So it's following gravity down the path and those will during the course of water traveling under pressure through a filter system, it creates this tunneling effect. I see. So it creates paths and then eventually it doesn't there's whole sections that won't be touched. It'll just correct. It's like a stream. Really? It's like a exactly. And that's what makes, you know, solid block carbon filters, you know, the premier carbon filter. Right. Because it's forcing. Yeah. Yeah, but one of the biggest things that nobody is willing to talk about when it comes to carbon is what an incredibly large surface area that it has, which is what makes it effective. But it's an incredibly large breeding ground for pathogens, viruses, and bacteria. And so, you know, that's the real issue. It becomes, if you're not dealing with the pathogens pre-carbon, or if you're not using a treated form of carbon filter that's impregnated with something like silver to prevent pathogen growth, then you end up developing, in many cases, a gigantic biomesting area in with a massive amount of surface area in the carbon filter itself. And this has been tested over and over at laboratories. This isn't Charles's opinion. These are things that have been proven time and time again. Yeah. In the old days, 35 years ago, with way more common to impregnate the carbon with silver or something to keep the growth down. But it makes sense. It's cheaper to do it without. So, the majority of the filters don't have this today. And it's interesting that, you know, I'm looking at our notes here and we're talking about it, even when we pair it with UV or ozone, it's the dead organisms and biofilms that can actually, like, it's the physical material of the dead organisms and the biofilms. So, little dead bodies, if you will, that basically can stay there and provide a medium for additional growth. And that, I guess, would be where the, it's only silver that can kind of mitigate that or would you still have those issues with the silver? No, it's not only silver. Silver is just one of the more effective ones that work. Okay. Really hard for a virus or a bacteria to get a resistance to. You know, there are certain types of poisons and things that you can develop a resistance to over time. Silver kills with oxygen and it's really hard for them to develop a resistance to silver. Interesting. Yeah. So, but you're right. Well, you said, you know, I prefer, I like to call them the dead carcasses. Is it something people can relate to? It's the carcass of the bacteria. It becomes the building block that you said of biofilm. And, you know, so that's one of the huge issues. If you're even with UV, you're letting all of that dead biofilm material go right on into the system and continue to build up in layers and layers. And that's how biofilm's developed and becomes so hard for people to deal with. And it's one of the least, you know, really for average people that aren't in the science or biology fields, aren't in the medical fields, they really don't think much about the fact that, oh, well, we've killed all the bacteria. So, it's safe now, but they don't realize, you know, the fact that it becomes a food, you know, years ago when I was working with biocides, you know, one of the, you know, one of the things that you'd see on a biocide bottle, it would say it was biodegradable. And all that really meant is that when the killing power was gone, it became food for the microorganism. And that's again due to this this effect that you're describing. So, biodegradable isn't always the greatest thing when it comes to like a biocide for killing a drum. Yeah, that's wild. In your system, like you work with a Princeton affiliated tech prof to develop a very different base layer, like you kind of, you've gone beyond the carbon, you've developed a nanosuramic nine layer biodynamic filtration system, like that. That's a bit mind bending, right? So, do you want to help us understand kind of what this is, how this is different? You're going beyond conventional porosity here, like you're using multiple layers, you're using electrical charges. So, and you're targeting different cases of contaminants. And what I will say is now having had this system in my house for a while, one thing that I worry about when I'm bringing a whole home system into my house is I see that there's many different stages of stuff going on downstairs. And I'm like, oh my god, how is the water going to make it up three floors to my shower and come out the shower head that I don't have to run around my bathtub trying to get wet? These are the great questions I ask myself, right? And the cool thing is that what I, and hopefully you're going to walk us through this, this technology that you've developed takes that right out of play. There's been no impact to the water pressure in my house. I'm very happy to report. Maybe you can take us through a little bit about this technology that is, that really goes out, it solves a lot of the problems that we described a few minutes ago. Yeah, well, I don't take the claim for the filters themselves. They were designed with a good friend of mine and a prince professor. And what they were looking at was in-house surgical theaters. So, this has developed over the course of 25 years. So, they were looking at irrigation water that's being used in oral and plastic surgery in-house, which is very strictly tested. And so, that's where the idea of the non-parasity-based filtration came from. And the nanostramic and the electrical charge factor to use to selectively remove contaminant. So, the first phase is a pretty novel, very high flow pre-filter. And our pre-filter slowly over the course of the year, released tiny amounts of atomic iodine. And that's what that does is that keeps killing germs in both the pre-filter and in even the carbon block. But it doesn't, again, rely on porosity. This is the novelty of it. It's not reducing your water flow by using like a big siin or a net to catch and filter out big particles, which is how almost all filters are rated in the traditional filter world. And the second phase is the multi-layer biodynamic filter. One of those layers is a silver and pregnant carbon. But we don't rely on that if you have a municipal water supply, because there's just too much chloride. Like I mentioned, it just so happened when I was 18 years old, I got a job working for a company that sold NSA water filters. And we used to do orthotality and cool tests, kits and people's kitchens. And we would take a glass of water out of the sink, put the drops from the cool test kit in it. And it would come out looking like the brightest year and after a B-vitamin you'd ever seen. It would come with chart. It would be three to four times the level of what was safe to swim. In a clorene. Yeah, chlorine. And they put masking agents in it so you can't smell it. And so you're getting that every with every, you know, sip or every flush or, you know. And can I just say that chlorine has a lot of different issues for human health, but one of them is that it displaces iodine on your hormone, your thyroid hormones. And so we have an epidemic, we have an epidemic of people whose thyroid don't work properly. And there's very often subclinical, but one and there's many different reasons for that. But certainly having chlorine, which has a which has a stronger bond or stronger attraction, then can displace iodine at the spot. So now instead of a tea with like the tyrosine with four iodines or three iodines or whatever it is, you can end up with if you're lucky, one or two iodines, but once it no longer has the iodines, it needs and they've been replaced by chlorine, it's useless to your body. Your body can't function. So properly. So I'm sorry, I just wanted to jump in there just to bring home to people the why, I mean, quite a part of some fact, the chlorine is wildly irritating and no good for you to begin with. It's also a material issue for thyroid function. So I dropped in there, but go ahead. And your gut and your gut too. I mean, everything really, but yeah. 110%. And it's really often overlooked in discussion, chlorine, and you're reading about the harm that chlorine causes. It's focused on the chloramine, the trihala, methane, the disinfection byproducts that are formed, you know, when an organic matter comes in contact with chlorine, and those are all really bad for you. But it was really driven home for me 11 years ago. I moved to Florida from the great state of Ohio, and I, you know, we didn't have a really long enough season to have an inground swimming pool in Ohio, but my first home in Florida, I inherited it. And I had a six-month old baby and there were all girls and a four to five-year-old, and my four and five-year-old turned into fish within six weeks, to move into this new house of the attack. Sure. Cool and everything. And I watched their beautiful, you know, golden and brown hair that was shiny and lustrous turned into straw over six weeks. And I saw their, their skin started to get troughed. So that's when I really began to dig in and do the research. I mean, I knew intellectually chlorine was bad for you, but I hadn't really done a ton of reading research on it. And that's when I found out just literally how toxic it was, and that's how I ended up developing my first chemical free swimming pool system because of it. So this chlorine journey for me goes all the way back to my swimming pool, my first swimming pool, and coming up with a way to swim and clean chlorine free water. The drinking water system came down the road with the development of my nanotechnology for health and healing, that the NP-bots therapy that we developed. Because when we're filling a tub in a treatment clinic for someone to get healed of a complex illness, the water has to be pristine because we're doing electrolysis in our in our processing. And electrolyzing chlorine and iron and some of these heavier elements is not a good thing. Right. So the system was born of that. And then I just, I've already developed systems for air and other things, and I realized water is something I really hadn't addressed for homeowners. And I knew lots about water. I've built and tested over 25 years, many different types of structuring devices that primarily they're only used in industry for agriculture. Because if you can increase the yield of a road crop or fruit and vegetable by 20 to 50% or even more in some cases, it has a real world value. So the agricultural industry is one of the first industries to embrace what modern science would call woo-woo up until Gerald Pollock came out and published his findings on easy water, which you reference. So, you know, all the way back in the 70s Gilbert Lang did all of his seminal research on interest, cellular fluid, and how the water inside ourselves is quite different than, you know, the water that we drink and the water that we invite to swim in and all of these other applications. But it was really Gerald Pollock's research in discovering this different structure to water as it passed through the Nathian Membranes. And then having other PhD scientists around the world begin to replicate these results and realize hey, there's something to this. Yeah. That structuring got taken seriously in the world of, you know, hard science and universities. Because prior to that, again, it was just agriculture. You know, they would, they saw the sticky structuring units on these large 8-inch agricultural lines and they get 25% more yield in their crops. That's a real thing. And you know, plants aren't subject to, you know, placebo effect. 100%. 100%. Okay, but I took you off of topic there. You were going through, you were talking about your, the physical filtration system. So, so we got to the carbon layer that is silver and pregnant, so that the microbial growth in the filter media is inhibited. And then you've got layers after that. Yeah, well, so the Nathian Ram layer, its first thing is to physically remove viruses and bacteria. So we physically remove, as you mentioned, the body of the, of the virus or the body of the bacteria. We've got studies showing 99.999999 percent or seven nines of the virus and 99.109 percent on the bacteria, which is very close to the bacteria static. Because each nine, it's a logarithmic scale is 10 times more than the nine before. Oh, wow. Okay. And so it is a really, really dynamic filter when it comes in terms of physically removing the dead virus and the bacteria. And when do they go? They just, they trapped it. They go in the trash a year from now when you pull out the filter layer. Oh, okay. Okay. They stay trapped in that in the membrane. And then each of the successive layers works on doing removing the forever chemical floor-eyed. We even remove harmful minerals and elements like, you know, cadmium and uranium and manganese and some of these more toxic minerals while still leaving the magnesium and trace copper and cobalt and calcium, which our bodies require. And so it's a very novel way of doing it because it's beginning to say there's no almost no pressure drop across the first and second membrane. The pressure drops that does come, the slight one, it's from carbon block. Now we don't include those if you're on a well. If you're on a well, we typically would use two of the biodynamic filters and the sashic because you won't have the high chlorine levels that you do in a municipality. But it's critical that that biodynamic filter, again, goes before the carbon filter. So you physically remove the dead bacteria and viruses before it's going through that solid block of carbon to pull out the rest of the hard core municipal chlorine levels that we get in the cities. Yeah. Well, and the fluoride. You mentioned fluoride earlier, but for those of us where fluoride is added, like put fluoride in my toothpaste, not in my water. Well, even the kind of fluoride that they did all the great studies on for tea, isn't the kind of fluoride they're adding in the municipal water supply. So that all came about in the 50s with the creation of the EPA, where all of the sudden manufacturers were forced to deal with runoff from some of their more toxic bi-products of their and the process of removing box site from aluminum and certain types of electrolysis, one of the bi-products was fluoride. And so they hired Edward Edmit, they hired Bernays to figure out how do you remove, how do you get people to believe that we should put fluoride in our water. And they found these couple of studies on sodium fluoride from in Texas where they showed the reduction in caries or cavities. And Bernays is one of his go-to things was create an institute with a fancy sounding name to promote the thing that you wanted to change. And so the American Dental Association didn't start out as 4 out of 5 dentists recommend. It was a Pimpley-Faced dentist that just graduated dental school in Brooklyn that was hired by Bernays to figure out, if you don't know who he is, the father of propaganda to promote the fluoridation of drinking water. And it was really a scheme by these chemical companies to avoid hefty EPA fine and prevent them from having to deal with the toxic weight. Because even if you accept that the fluoride that they put in the drinking water is good for cavities, even though it's not the right type of fluoride, if we accept that as a divin that okay that's what it's for, it's still 97 to 98% of the water that comes through your water main isn't drunk by anybody in the house. It goes in your toilet, it goes in your kitchen sink, it goes it down your bathtub drain, it goes down your shower drain. And every time it goes down that drain what do you have? Three toxic waste removal. That the chemical companies don't have to pay for. You know, and so that's the real reason that it was sold wholesale to the public was for cavities. It was really just a mechanism to get rid of this stuff. That can be a problem. Yeah, it's horribly poisonous. And now they've got Dennis so brainwashed, I watched my friends who are the ones who just won the DTA trial, went on for almost 10 years. And always they would have these densities come to staunchly defend the fluoride. And they were also poorly educated when it really came to the difference between the types of fluoride and even the history of it. Right, it's sodium fluoride that they add to the water, right Charles? It's sodium fluoride. No, I've, I'd have to read that again, Victor, it's been a while since I'd looked at it. I think it's a longer type of fluoride if I'm mistaken. Okay, well, regardless, I mean, you know, I think that I think fluoride also can displace iodine. Sadly, iodine is the weakest link. So it can be displaced by fluoride, bromide, which a lot of people use in their pools instead of chlorine, which is better than chlorine, but still stronger than iodine. So it's just, you know, it's degrees. So at the end of the day, we don't want those guys. You've got all these layers here. What I find really interesting is you're able to leave behind the beneficial minerals that you just mentioned, the calcium, the magnesium, the copper. Is that because of a certain charge? Like how, how is the system able to? All all related to charge, 100%. And so that's the beautiful thing about this system is unlike, you know, reverse osmosis has become, you know, the wealthy homeowners go to systems for fixing your water. But the problem is our, our own systems are really bad for water. I mean, when you've, we've done a lot of studies with reverse osmosis water, they started putting them into commercial greenhouses 25 years ago. And they quickly began ripping them out because they found the plants were subject to a lot higher mold growth that you would get out of other types of filtration. And it, you know, it strips the minerals. So the bot, the, you know, if you believe in Victor Schauberger's series of water, he would call that in the chur water, it's hungry for information like the still water because he's removed the minerals from them. And so it has a tendency to leach minerals out of the things that it goes through. And that's why the more expensive our own systems, you know, have a, a section to try to re-mineralize the water. But it, it doesn't change the, the memory and it certainly leads water that is what I would say, I would call sick water. It's not healthy. It's not imprinted with the bio field again. It doesn't have the components that are life given. And that's why they ended up ripping these systems out of the big greenhouses as they were attempting to put them in because it didn't do the things they were hoping it would do. Yeah, no, that's really interesting. I mean, I, I, you know, confession, I have an arrow. I had an arrow system and we had added an extra component to re-mineralize the water. But definitely, you know, it's, we're going to talk, I want to talk about the structuring and the energy of water and the memory of water. I want to refer to, I don't remember his name, but the Japanese scientist, very famously, yeah, who did his experience. But before, I want to get through like the physical other pieces. And then I want to, I want to get to that as well. So, so how did, so there's a softening piece to the water here. We don't end up with hard water. So how does the no salt softening work? And where does that fit into the system? And why is there important? There are two, two pieces to the no salt softening system. And it is not as effective as the salt softer in terms of getting to 100%. But we can drop it between 80 and 90%. We can take of that calcium to a ragged. And a ragged, it's the crystallized form of calcium, but still there, still calcium. But in that geometry, it doesn't stick to your pipes. It won't stick to your hot water element in your hot water heater. And it just continues passing, you know, through the system, going down the drains and back into the whole recycling process. We were talking about the beginning of the video. Which sounds somewhat horrifying. I'm here to say yes. It first goes through a very high magnetic field of over 10,000 gauze. And so that's helping to start change that. And then it begins vortexing. And the vortexing is too part. It's literally part of the softening system. The reason I selected this mechanism is because it has a dual function. And the dual function is to erase, begin the memory erasure of the water. But being vortexed as catalysts, and the catalyst are what helps create an ion that changes that calcium to a ragged. And it's again, there's two components in the system that you've probably seen them in your own home. There's two stainless steel tubes that are in there. And that's what the first one is a much higher magnetic field. The second one is a lot more of the vortexing catalysts. And that passive ionization is what creates the power as water flows through it to drop that calcium to a ragged. But it works very well. And I had pretty heavy calcium content in my water. I have some phenomenal, delicious, you know, water where I live. I'm 10 minutes from where they shot all the Johnny Weiss Mueller movies back in the 30s. It's called Silver Springs here in Florida. And it's a big artesian well, but it filtered through thousands of feet of limestone. And so it picks up a lot of calcium in the mind and the water. And we used to get calcium rings around the toilet. And with this system on, it's you don't get that. But it's a pre-memory erasure. So the vortexing disk, that's one of the things Victor Schauburger proves that when water is spawned around in a vortex and it's tumbled, it's able to change that memory and begin to make it new so that it can be, you know, reprogram. And that's where the last step of the device comes in, which is a true Schauburgerian water vortexing tumbling and structuring device. And so we're actually imprinting the water with the energy of the biofield, which is the energy of life. There are over 150 types of very special minerals and organics that are suspended. And it creates passive ionization as water again flows through it. And that is due to the effect of the mineral balls that are in there. It creates this ionization and that provides the again electricity or the energy to transmit the biofield into the water as it's passively passing through. These are not connected to household power. You're powered by the flow of water going through the system. And we've got studies from University in Czechoslovakia and in India showing anywhere from 20 to 250 percent yielding creases on row crops, fruits and vegetables. And as we mentioned, you know, plants just, they're not subject to the placebo effects. So if you're getting, you know, a huge yield increase on your mangoes and on your rice and your corn and your soybeans and on all the different crops that we've tested with on, then it's actually doing something in the real world that's measurable. And that's where the majority of our clients are. They're agricultural customers. Really? So I would think that even livestock, if you're giving this water to livestock, you're getting better results as well. We have studies on chickens, on turkeys, on dairy cattle. I have a system that's more complicated than that where it's called MateCow's Give One Milk.com, where we're actually bringing nanatized hydrogen and oxygen to the dairy cattle. But the very last step that we do is we run it through a much larger structuring unit about three and a half feet long, this big and diameter, 4-inch diameter. And it is imprinting the biofield back into the water of the cattle drink. And the result is the cows produce 20% more milk. And they're much healthier. You know, they're hooves, they're shiny and their hair is, you know, shiny and they have less retained placentas. And their vet bills drop by half. There's all sorts of ancillary benefits. But the farmers are paying us because we increase the milk. 100%. Well, and I think what I'd like to point out is this is mimicking nature. And this is what makes this so interesting, right? In nature, your water would tumble through streams and waterfalls. It would get filtered through soil. Absolutely. It would run through across rocks. It's that, and that imparts this energy into the water molecules. And this brings us to the whole conversation around structured water that or water that is, it's almost like you're you're bringing the energy back into the water so that it brings energy to the system. And the body can now use it to produce that. Exactly right. And if you study the works of Victor Schauberger, who was an Austrian naturalist, he spent 20 years in the Black Forest studying nature. And he's really the father of what we call today the science of bio mimichery, his model of study nature, understand it and then copy it. And so he proved that water has a life cycle. So immature water would be either rainwater or distilled water or even as I mentioned a little earlier, RO water because it's been stripped of all its memory. It's been stripped of its mineral and it's been stripped of its information. So it's hungry. And then as it begins to percolate through the soil and travel through underground capillaries, it feeds the streams and end up feeding the rivers and in the lakes and percolates down into the soil, goes through the artesian wells eventually. It develops enough memory. We're it takes up all of these things. And then Schauberger proved that it contains a levitating quality and that's what we call spring. So when you get, you know, if you've ever been to a source spring, there's no amount of pumping that needs to be done. It just comes out of the ground. It's about, you know, I've been to an ideal spring in the mountains in Italy at the top of Lissa where we were bottling water using some of my other type of knowledge. And the water comes out, it just comes out of the ground continuously, you know, hundreds of thousands of gallons a day. And it's this perfect water that's been through the whole cycle and then comes out again. One of Schauberger's patents was a way to take immature water and turn it into this ideal water with a very special type of well system. But essentially that's what we're mimicking with the structuring device without having to go out to it. Backyards and dig a big well, jacket it with all the different materials that Schauberger proved would work to artificially accelerate that. Here's an interesting idea. Mostly problems aren't about being tired, they're about your brain never getting the signal that it's safe to power down. You can be physically exhausted, but if there's snoring, city noise or random sounds pulling your brain back to alert mode, you end up half sleeping all night. And that's when mornings start to feel heavier than they really should. Oslo sleep buds have begun part of how I close the day. I stream something calming, a meditation, an audiobook, white noise. 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I would hit a municipal water pipe and all my neighbors would be mad at me and then the only energy would be bad energy. There you go. I don't think I have too many options. Customers that are on wells, we do ask that they send us a water report and then we'll customize the filters system specifically to their water. Because there can be challenges in different types of wells and different parts of the area. They may have very high rate on content or radium content or uranium or real super high levels of calcium. It is possible to have such high levels of calcium that we would have to add a secondary a resin based non salt calcium remover. If you're mostly in these places like southwest Arizona, some parts of western Texas. But we may just need to up size the filter housing from two and a half before it's a municipal standard system. But with a well, you just send us a water report and you'll make sure that you get exactly what you need. The filter change cycle that you need for a municipal system, one change a year. Yeah. Well, we have a lake house and the lake that we're on, actually, the water. It is the name of the lake is Kashi, which means healing waters. It's extremely high, but it's extremely high and iron, which may be healing in some ways, but you don't want to be drinking that stuff. That's great. The water is literally red, right? Yeah. And then we also are in a shallow bay that we share with a couple of beaver families, which bring another kind of challenges to the table. So, you know, I think other than well water, even people who are on lakes and we're pulling our water straight from the lake would need a different type of system than what I have, for example, in my house. Because in many ways, you would say, well, you know, that water's moving. It came up through us. It's spring fed and the whole nine yards, but it's going to have its own particularities even there to the amount of total dissolved solids really is important for resource water with municipal water sources. They usually keep it at, you know, around 100 to 150 and then, but anything else, so well, you know, you could have 1500 to 2000 BPM of TDS. So there's a physical filter that needs to happen? Yeah. Where I have property, I an Alabama, I tested the water and it was like 20 ppm TDS. And I go, wow, that's incredibly, it's incredibly low. And then the stream I'm on, it's called it in the original language, Kitchie Padrakki, it means crystal clear water. Wow. So it's like I got to the right spot, but it's because there's a lot of mica in there. So the mica filters, filters a lot of, oh yeah, filters a lot of the water. So I mean, it's what we're looking for, something where we can get a spring water that has low TDS, but not everybody's, you know, not everybody's. But it's a, it's a, it's a high need commodity, right? So I'd like to go back a little bit to RO water because a lot of people are using it and there's, there's definitely, I mean, look, at the end of the day, RO does a certain amount of good work. I mean, it's not all bad, but I'd love to talk a little bit. Well, you've already talked about the byproducts of chlorine, like chloramines that it can't remove. Apparently, there's certain dissolved gases, like CO2 methane, radon that maybe don't get removed and need to be. And things like, and then there's a shift in pH that can happen. And then there's an issue with maybe fungus. Do you want to talk about that? With our, with our, with our water, yeah, fungus loves our water for some reason. That was one of the, the reasons they started removing them from these commercial greenhouse, when they started putting them in. You said that's right. You said so much gold. Was mold on the plants that they were experiencing, not mold in the RO filters are in their houses. It was a, it was somehow weakening the natural defenses of the plant after being used. All right, now the original RO membrane from 8 by actually irradiating the membrane and they were using the atomic pores that were being created through radiation. That's not how they do it now. They have a more sophisticated membrane technology, but that was one of the first, you know, research lab grade ways that they were doing. And Victor knows lots about RO because his good friend was one of the co-inventures of RO as a mutual friend of ours. And so we're not RO haters. It's just that on, in a municipal drinking water system, we don't think it's the ideal mechanism today with advances in technology that have come over the last 25 years. Yeah. No, you have anything you'd like to add to that, Victor? Specifically the advancement in technology, right? That's where we're always always getting, you know, our RO is great 30, 40 years ago. We've learned a lot since then, like, you know, with our, with our standard for drinking water, it's a new standard, Duterian, Ducleidon. Now we have a new standard for filtration too. So I'm very keen on these types of, for example, for thinking companies, they're providing, they're providing like solutions for looking at looking at things in a new way. And using technology that didn't exist 40 years ago to create a better path for filtration. So it's really exciting. Well, I think what's also really exciting is the agricultural validation that you've got. I think that, you know, we can, I mean, look, we can always test our water. And I want to get back to the memory of water and the energy. I want to talk about that. But before we go there, you know, the experiments, the experiments in the validation that you've acquired through the agricultural model, I think speaks volumes because as you said a couple times, there's no placebo effect when it comes to plants and animals. Like either they grow more or they don't grow more. And, and that, not to mention the fact that we're talking about the agricultural industry or talking about an industry that they will only spend money on something if it increases their yield period. Oh, you were 100% like they don't care if it's, I mean, they care if it's good sort of, but not really. As we can see from fertilizers and, and whatnot. But for, for any industrial setting in the agriculture to spend money on a system, it's going to be for one reason and one reason only. Oh, yeah, you were correct. And that's one of the things that there are things like depending on like the crop, you know, if it's strawberry with structured water, you see an increase in the bricks rating that goes dramatically up. And that's directly related to how much they get for the strawberries. That's the, the sugar content of the strawberry rating increases. And that's seen with structured water in many different fruits that you grow with structured water. But, you know, when it comes to RO, there's another detriment to RO. Not that it doesn't work well. But it doesn't filter all of the water. So a percentage of the water that goes through the RO filter takes the contaminants that were removed from the treated side. This is why when you have reverse osmosis on, you know, at an ocean, you know, desalination plant, you have the treated water, and then you have brine. And the brine has doubled the salt concentration as the untreated water, because that's where the salt went. And it's the same thing with the contaminant side on an RO system. You're treating twice as much water as you get filtered, because the contaminants go in the waste on the waste side, and they're going down the drain. So you're not filtering 100% of the water that flows through the RO. Part of it is the water that has the contaminants that have been removed. And again, it's not picking on RO. There's tons of, you know, places that depend on it every single day for there's people to have salt-free water. If there's, you know, places like the Maldives and certain islands where they absolutely depend on reverse osmosis to have water to live. But again, they have these other problems from the, you know, the brine water that a lot of times they'll flush that right into the ocean. They can have a detrimental effect on sea life and because the salt's too high on the discharge side. And it's similar, you know, in some of the applications who are depending on the contaminants, the RO membranes are removed. And, you know, the membranes themselves are kind of expensive to replace when you're getting into high-volume water. Unimincible systems, people don't have to worry about that too much. Well, it adds up. But, you know, I mean, it's the cost of doing business at some degree. And I think that it's kind of, you know, it's better than nothing. And until you have a better option, it's, you know, you do the best that you can. So I do want to get back to the issue of structuring and you're, you know, the conversation around the memory of water. And I want to kick it off with that experiment that was done in Japan where people literally spoke to water. And then the water was put under my microscope. I can't imagine you're not familiar. More familiar with this than I am because I know when I saw that article, it fascinated me. And maybe you'd like to speak, one of you would like to speak to it a little bit because I do think that we underestimate water as an energetic entity. Are you familiar with the cooked rice experiments that they did all over Japan? And then I've been replicated at schools here in North America? No. I just know the one where they said bad words to it and good words to it and tell me about the cooked rice experiments. Tell us what they did. So they took three, she made cooked rice and you put it in three jars. And one jar gets ignored. Another jar gets told, I hate you. Or other bad things. And the third jar, you told, I love you. Thank you. Gratitude. And they do this every day for 20 days or something. Like you can see photographs online. There's tons of kids experiment. The one that's ignored gets the worst. It turns black with bacteria usually. I hate you one typically gets green and fungly. And the one that you say I love you and thank you, it tends to turn into a golden-malted right. And this is all from yeah. Okay. And this is all from the function of the memory in the water that's in the right. And so, EmoTo did things like exposing water to microwave, exposing them to TV signals, exposing them to radio waves. He did different words, or he would write on a label, a word. I hate you. I love you. Gratitude. Praying. They had a lot of experiments that he did with Buddhist monks and Christian priests and praying over the water. And then he would photograph the water as it formed a crystal. Yeah. And the ones with the, you know, harmful words like you would say, they would form an amorphous blob and not a beautiful crystal and structure. They're people that criticize his methodology. So a German guy, and a book behind him, Shelf, named Bert Kropp, decided to make it rigidly scientific with control and proper regimen, who's a PhD physicist. And he used dried water droplets. They did the exact same things and found absolutely, it could be replicable with the same information, the same words, the crystals that would form in the dried water droplets. He did a writing a book called World in a Drop. And so it's amazing that water is this cage-like molecule capable of storing frequencies and information until or who I mentioned, Professor Bill Tiller, of Stanford. He was the world's foremost authority in crystals, matrices, and interpages. He was the dean of material science at Stanford. And you know, he's the one where I first learned the information that water was a cage-like molecule, and it was basically a liquid memory crystal. Yeah. And so what does this mean to human health? Like what does it mean to someone's body to drink water that is either organized in a beautiful crystal versus a water that is a blob that is disorganized, let's say. And it's not, it no longer is organized in that crystalline structure. Well, Victor would have a very nice way of describing that, because I thought Victor were 80% water and he quickly corrected me. So you remember that conversation, Victor? I do. 98.9% by molecular weight. So just about every molecule in our bodies attached to H2O, which is quite profound. So I was just asking, what does it mean to our body, right, to have water that has been organized in a crystal versus water that's kind of blobby? It's just the organization of information, right? How quickly, how information flows, you know, you look at a crystal, it's more ordered, right? And when something is more structured, more information. Exactly right. More information can be stored, and that information can be accessed easily. And there's no loss in the information, so it's not muddy. But I just wanted to. It's kind of like the difference between pencil-led and graphene. You know, they're both carbon, but the structure of the graphene makes one a room temperature superconductor. The other one will still conduct electricity. If you didn't know that your pencil-led will conduct electricity. But it's not going to do it like like graphene. Right. Not efficiently. Right. It's just more structured form of the original material, carbon. You know, in 1988, there was a time magazine article about Shokba and Venest and his ability and everything we were talking about in the memory of water and storing information and then having access to that information, even the original source of information is no longer in water. That was 1988. That was in time magazine. And then after that, it was kind of all this stuff was kind of poo-pooed because our Western medical, our sciences evolved to the point where it were at a real impasse. Where we've come to the point where we realize that the thoughts and the energy and the intention of the experiment or effects the experiment. That's not really good for material science. Exactly. Not very good for material science. That's like the one that changes that forces you to re-evaluate your foundation. So right now we're re-evaluating the real foundation. We're water beings. And so what does that mean? And so as we understand more and more of this, we understand what our needs are. And when we understand what our, you know, mother, the necessity of invention, the necessities of mother inventions. So here Charles has come up with something that he was looking for a solution, found people that were developing in an area that was really critical, right? Which is which is dental irrigation, medical procedures, because they need a whole new standard, right? Right. The same thing was done for air security a long time ago. There was air filtration, but then clean rooms came in and said, hey, we need another standard because this is not good enough, right? That's right. So this is what Charles did here. He took something that was developed for a specific higher standard and say, look, can I figure out a way for everybody to have this? And that's what, and that's what exists here. It's kind of like hemp effiltration, you know, in the average person thinks that hemp effiltured air is the best air you can get. And Victor and I both know that, you know, viruses and bacteria and molds for some molds forced to go sailing right through a hemp effilter. Certainly the, you know, MVOCs and the microtoxin can go through them. And so that's why they had to develop this new standard in laboratories. The Victor's describing because you know, you get one thing in a clean room that can get onto your silicon wafer when you're trying to manufacture a suddenly conductor. And so they have to develop, they had to rely on charge. Same thing we're using in the water filter. They use ionization and charge. They have a math. That's in. Yeah, absolutely. And it, you know, in my home, I put in electrostatic precipitators in my in-home air handler. That's why. Because that's one of the only ways to deal with the stuff that will go sailing through the filters. And you know, a hemp effilter is not practical on a home system because you have to increase the amount of CFM going through your blowards such high level because of the restriction of porosity filtration in the air. And that's what we get away within our water. We got rid of the porosity filtration. That's how you getting water on the third level of your home. But it's filled treated in space and soft because it's a paradigm shift. Yeah. Well, and that, and that it truly is like there will be in the show notes. There'll either be a photograph or a link to photograph of the system. Because people need to see this. Like it's first of all, it's beautiful. Right. You get these three. The last two units that are the vortexing unit and those two metal units are actually gorgeous cylinders. But it is remarkable the volume of water that the system handles. Well, at some point, we really need to talk about showering because that's the dirty little secret in everybody's house. How dangerous it is for your lung to shower. You know, it's the equivalent of smoking packs of cigarettes. Every time you take a shower, if you're on a municipal water supply, because of that chlorine. And how much better the skin is that absorbing things than even the gut line. You get more chlorine when you shower through your skin and you get out of drinking chlorinated tap water and those studies have been done. And so it's really, really important that you get rid of the chlorine from your showers and the little tiny shower head you and it's don't sweat. They don't cut it. They don't cut it. They don't get it long. They don't cut it long. A lot of study on that. Yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting now that you mention it. My skin is a lot less dry. And I'm saying that in the middle of winter. Yeah. All right. I hadn't noticed that. But my skin is a lot less dry since my system got installed. Like very often, if I take a shower before bed or something, I find like I have to put a lot of moisturiser on and I don't think I'm not actually having that reaction. So that's pretty cool. I hadn't even noticed that. A spring water shower at home. You're up. Of course. You're up. Norris correct. You're you're where it's 20% humidity with your furnace down. Right. Yeah. Now I'm in Toronto. So it's winter. This is. Yeah. Victor's got in the place of the highest rainfall on earth right now. And where I live, there's quite a bit. But Toronto and the winter, that's 20% humidity. Yeah. Now it's not an ideal climate. I'll leave it at that. There was a note in the note about contaminants. The overlooked water contaminants that can contribute to hypoxia and inflammation. And there was something. There was it was something about nitrates and why they matter is does either of you want to tackle that one? Because that's a new concept to me. And I didn't I wasn't sure exactly where we I should mention it. But it sounds like it's something we all should be aware of. Oh, if I picture what to speak to that nitrates are bad all the way around. So they're quite a few. That's a disinfection byproduct. What do you have nitrates in your water? It's not filtered well enough. Not even close. It's not. Okay. And so the RO basically does that. I mean, does is that another issue with reverse osmosis? Or is that just a general issue with with with with I'd say that's the more the traditional filters that are being sold. Oh, I see. Oh, I see. And the big back doors. Like that little thing you put on the edge of on the end of your tap. I've never really understood those things how they're supposed to really do much. I mean, again, probably better. Most of them are just a little little bit of charcoal or carbon, you know, most of it. Yeah. They don't do much. In fact, then you get the jugs. And those those jugs after after a few uses, you know, smell that filter and you'll smell the bacteria. So that's not a that's a temporary solution. And then again, it's a massive surface area of the carbon, you know, it's what we were talking about earlier. And I think also, I mean, the one of the big issues, even people who have who have water dispensers in their fridge, like we got a new fridge when we got this house. And I refuse to get a water dispenser in my fridge because the biggest problem is you forget to change the filter in those things. So the only thing worse that waters and that's not filtered is water that's coming through old filters that haven't been changed in time. It's like it's 100%. And since I started putting these systems on my house, we drink out of our refrigerator water all the time. We love our ice because it's all getting pre-tiltured before it goes through the little carbon blocks and the refrigerators. So, you know, that's the beauty of it. It's every tap, every, you know, toilet, every shower head. It's all treated. So you don't have to worry about it. It's honestly, it's really freeing. I hate used to be that if I was on the third floor getting ready for bed and I forgot to bring up my water, I'd go three floors down to go to the kitchen to get to my little sink. And I now have to remind myself, oh, you don't have to do that. You can just use the water out at the tap. It is, it is a bit of a luxury, you guys. I'm not going to lie. It feels very luxurious, not to have to worry about any of the water in your house anymore. It's the hardest thing I had to deal with with my wife is we had a little under sinks unit always on every house I've ever had. And she only wants to take the water out of that. I keep telling you, you can take it out of every tap. It's all treated. Yeah, it's a mind shift. It's a total mind shift. Okay, so let's talk a little bit about, you know, as we close up, if somebody's interested in a system like this, and this is a whole home system, and I will tell you guys, like getting in the install that you do need it. I mean, for me, I needed a plumber. I'm not handy that way. I know Charles, you were saying that some people do it themselves. But what's needed to set up a system once we purchase it? And what does annual maintenance actually involved? Like, what do people need to know about this? Well, annual maintenance is really simple. You just order the filters and replace the three filters. And that takes about, you know, five minutes in a kindergarten. It could do it. You just take that little wrench and twist the blues canister off, drop the filter out of the inside, put the new one in and tighten it. That's the whole thing. You need to shut off the water to the system though. And there's a little shut off to right there. So that's how we recommend is that you install a bypass. That way, even when you're changing the filters, you have water coming out of your house. It won't be filtered water during the time that you're doing your filter change. But it allows all the toilets in the shower, to still work during that filter changeover process. I would say the majority of our customers have ended up hiring plumbers just because the average hunker doesn't have basic plumbing skills. But if you have basic plumbing skills, it takes maybe one to two hours to do the switchover and install. And as far as where to get it, Victor's the best guy to get it from. I don't sell the filters directly. We rely exclusively on distributors to take care of that for us. Okay. And then I just wanted to do like a quick cost comparison of this system versus something like an R, if you had a whole house to R.O. system, you would probably often need to also add a whole home softener. And then, and then if you wanted to add structuring to that, it would be even more money. Like looking at the math here, you're looking to somewhere between 12 to 15,000 dollars, if you were going to get those three elements on a whole home system. Is that about right? If we were going to, if we're going to do good structuring devices are typically between three to five grand just for the structuring. Yeah. R,O systems can be, you know, five to to ten thousand dollars for a resident, a larger resident, of course, would be more. But this little system does up to a five thousand square foot home with five bass and average of a hundred fifty thousand gallons a year. And we can double that just by changing the canisters to four and a half inch over two and a half inch. So we can handle most residences without a big footprint. And that's the beauty of the system. We're replacing three giant tanks with traditional filtration with a very small footprint. And with comparatively much smaller price tag, I'm I got. So the system comes in around $6,300 and it gives you all those elements, guys. It's got to, it's going to clean everything out. Your water is saw, it's essentially softening the water and it's structuring the water all built into the $6,300 system, which is, which also doesn't take a massive amount of space, which was the thing that I, you know, when I, when I first agreed to have one in, I don't have a lot of room in my utility room. And I remember saying, thinking to myself, what did I just agree to? Like, what if I don't have space for this thing? And then when it came in, I was like, that's it. And so all, like I said, I'll take a picture of it for everybody. I would, I would say that unless you're really good with plumbing, getting a plumber to come in is probably the best, best solution, but that's my, that's my personal advice. And it was not that big a deal to get it installed at all. And, and you're up and running within two minutes. I think for one, an RO system is much more complicated, it's bigger. If you've got copper pipes, you really should have an RO system unless you're putting minerals back in. So this is like the best solution I've seen, and this why I was so adamant of working with Charles, because it's a, you know, I'm good at recognizing good water and and and paired I'm paired I'm shifts in technology too. So this is one of them. So I think everybody should, if you're if you're, if you're looking for the right house filter, this is this is hopefully you're listening to this podcast. Well, and guys, if you have, if you don't know who Victor is, Victor is, I refer to him as the water guy. Because Victor has been on the podcast before. He normally is talking about deuterium depleted water, which definitely has its place. It's a whole different science. It's a different area. But, you know, you've got to be starting with clean water at the get go for your every day before you even go to that level. And I think this is what this, this is what this system is all about. Is you get more aware of water and the and the and it's important. It's importance. The importance of its purity. Then, then, you know, this becomes this becomes a priority. Right. Yeah. And and the paradigm shift is critical. Like this isn't just another system. This is this is taking this is taking an industry and changing it. This is changing the way that we address the water in our homes. And I know Charles, you've got lots of other tricks up your sleeves. Jeanette was telling me something about a tub where you're infusing the water with hydrogen and oxygen for therapeutic use. Like that sounds again, kind of next level all over again. We call it NP bot. I like to refer to it as beyond hyperbaric. So, you know, in a hyperbaric chamber, you're limited to two modalities, which is namely oxygen and pressure. They have really good results, but it takes a whole lot of time. Many, many, many, many visits to the hyperbaric chamber to effective change. And that's because it's a very limited modality where you cannot deliver hydrogen in a hyperbaric chamber. You'd have a bomb. You cannot deliver oxygen or as as ozone in a hyperbaric chamber. It would oxidize the lung tissue. You cannot deliver carbon dioxide. It would suffocate you. You can't deliver one of the major gas of transmitters in our body nitric oxide. Again, also deadly in air to breathe, but we can have developed a way using electrical charge in very small size to deliver far more oxygen to the most hypochic tissue in the relaxing experience of soaking in a hot tub. And so, you know, 20% of the people can't even get in a hyperbaric chamber because they're claustrophobic. And it's a real problem. And then two people died this year, one in Arizona, a poor little boy in Michigan, and it was an unfortunate accident. They were feeding pure oxygen, not concentrator oxygen, and a spark was all it took. But we can literally deliver more oxygen in a much more rapid fashion. And the key to delivering oxygen, believe it or not, is hydrogen. So when you're soaking in a hot tub that's got billions of bubbles in a milliliter of hydrogen, and it's smaller than a coronavirus, it's able to go right to the aquaporns in the skin. It causes a massive anti-inflammatory effect at the tissue level. And that opens up intracelular oxygen pathways that are squeezed off due to hypoxia from this inflammation, the creating hypoxia due to this inflammation. And so now you get rid of the inflammation, they open up, and now the oxygen is able to go inside the cell. When you get the tissue inflammation to go down, the oxygen begins to increase, and now we've got oxygen that's also at the size smaller than a coronavirus able to go through. And then you've got electrical charge. And so how all of these things can exist in the same bathtub, we call it like the womb, like amnionic fluid, is normally hydrogen would get it on with those, like the best looking guy, girl at the dance of the suddenly sky in the football team. But they can't come together, because of the charge envelope on these nanobubbles. And so it becomes an incredibly powerful needle-moving healing modality. We're now adding right frequencies as sound converted to sound in the tub. So now you're surrounding the entire organism in a redoc signaling, gasotransmitting soup. And you're able to deliver custom design rights programs. The reason we're converting them to sound is certain of the right frequencies with some of the graphing, self-assembling arrays that are inside of people's bodies. They can be stimulated when we convert that to sound. It has the same healing effect, but doesn't do anything to the nanotech. And so it's a really, really powerful healing modality. It's the next level. That'll be another episode. So that's the tub. But the good news is if the tub will always be better if we can start with great water, which we get. Well, and Vicar, he knows all about the chlorine-free swimming pools that we do, too. We do true nanobubble swimming pools and a variety of other things. That's a whole different experience when you can open your eyes under the water. And you come out and your hair and your skin are softer than when you went in. Like you want some fancy conditioning treatment at a spa. And you really just went swimming in your backyard. I told you I inherited the pool. So all of our neighbors have these gorgeous pools. And none of them ever use them. And I think it's subconsciously because they know about the chlorine. Probably. Well, it doesn't make you feel good. All right. Well, let's close off on the home treatment system. And then maybe what we'll do is we'll have to do another whole other episode on the tubs and the pool systems and whatnot. So where people can find this system if you're interested, guys, is you can go to lightwaterlabs.com forward slash E L W. And you can use code NAT 100, which will save you $100 off. And gentlemen, how do people learn more about you follow you Charles? Where do people find you if they need to reach out? Or do you stay under the radar? Well, we have we have a nice website. There's you can't buy the system. There's called energized living water. There's a nice little movie I put together that really teaches people sort of the dark underbelly of the water world. Things you'd ever wanted to know you didn't want to know about how your water is made in your municipality. But Victor is, you know, I would say Victor and his team are the best people to reach out to. I don't sell these directly again. And I believe down the road, Victor is going to handle the swimming pool systems too. So that would be another place to reach out. That website's nano bubble pool.com. But I would go through Victor because I don't again don't sell the pool systems on the website. So light water labs is where everybody needs to go, right, Victor? Right. So light water labs is kind of a side evolution of light water because light water is primarily devoted to the terrym depleted water. And light water labs is everything else that supports this. So in this case, we're talking about recreating a spring like the best water in nature at home. Beautiful. And so let's start it. Let's start with the shower, the shower, the tap, and then move on to the bath and then add some of these other things like the nanoplasmoy. You know, you were you were just really quickly I'll mention you mentioned dissolved gases in water. And these are really important. And this should be a topic for future conversation just because just as you mentioned the negative gases like radon, for example, you know, there's a lot of studies and books written on why some healing spring hot springs are actually healing. And that has to do with dissolved that dissolved gases that are in there. So I won't get into the details, but that's there's a lot to unpack there. Cambridge University did I'll leave this you guys with this if anyone wants to really dig in. They prove that our bodies are nano bubble generators. So the study is correct. The nano architecture to sell and they prove that when we inspire when we breathe in correct at the alveoli we're generating into an O2 nano bubble. And then when we expire we're generating the CO2 nano bubbles through our interstitial foam. So our bodies are used to these gases and they depend on them. They're used for these. They depend on them. They depend on them. And all sorts of things. And when you're deprived of when you've got, you know, non-oxygenated waters and these other things like Victor's mentioned, they can be very detrimental to that. Yeah. Well, the dead water. The the the properties of gases are very important. So what we're doing here is just we're giving you we're we're creating solutions for how to have the best of nature in your own home. No matter where you live and you just you just meant no matter where. I love it. So once again, that's light water labs. Light is L-I-T-E water labs.com forward slash ELW your code's not 100. And Victor Sagalowski and Charles Boat thank you both so much for your time today. And let's hope that one home at a time we can just bring nature back into people's houses through through the water. Thank you Victor. I'm a slightly jealous of that water on Kauai where you are. It's pretty good here. Well, I'm jealous. It's a pleasure. It's a true pleasure. All right guys, all the best. Thank you so much. Hey folks, just a quick reminder that all of the information presented in this podcast is for information purposes only. No medical advice, no diagnosing, no treatments suggested here. Before you try anything that you hear about or learn about here, make sure that you check with your medical provider.