"Macaulay Culkin"

Are you going to watch in the holiday movies, the cartoons? I do because it's nostalgic. It makes me feel like where I put my onesia on, you know, with the feet, with the whole, the pajamas. Yeah, do you have a little, do you have the little, the, the, the button, sort of window that drops in the back for poops? Don't beat around the bush. What are you, what are you trying to say? Do you have a back flap? Or do you think? Yeah, but that's not my jeans. You're talking about, talking about my pajamas. Yeah, have you watched any, any of the holiday videos or movies? I, I, I, not yet, but I'm going to. It's going to be so exciting. Do you want to come over and watch them? Yeah, I get, you came over last time, I guess we got to come over to your places. Yeah, it's a tip for tent. A tip for tent. Yeah. Split a D-splat? Yeah. Welcome to a new episode. Sort of. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Blast. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. Jesus Christ, Sean. Fucking hell, Sean. This is fucking bullshit. This is fucking bullshit. It wasn't done that, it wasn't on my calendar. Whoa, that's our fault. Yeah, it'll say it like it's our fault. Who's in control of your calendar? Is it you're waiting Nick the prick? Yeah. Did you get a deal on it? By the way, Sean, he says fucking Nick, he didn't even know who Nick was. I mean, Nick for years. He's just in. Dude, we literally said did we call Nick and he goes, what's a Nick? What's a Nick? What's a Nick? Yeah, it's a Nick. Oh, God. Oh, like a discount to system? We were about to call cedars because we thought have you checked the paddle, waiting room? That is the worst feeling in the world. It's kind of like, I'm like, what? What are you talking about? Like, well, let's take a couple like, oh, sorry, will you want to finish you on that? Yeah. Okay. Fucking will learn it. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah, what was going on? What were you doing? Spaghetti. No. Sorry. Well, no, it's first thing in the morning. So that's a seem like the most like he was turning the pop tart over in the oven. I'm going to tell you right now, the honest guy, the honest guy, the truth cast out sleeping. Okay. Because you got up too early. Yeah. Turning better a surprise guest is guest. Are you surprised? Yes. Real lippy. By the way, since you've been away, Sean, our surprise guest has been very active in the chat, which has been fun. All right. I'm a big Olivia Munn fan and a fun lady. Yeah. Okay. Do you want to guess? Uh, no. But let's get back to Shawnee. So what happened? I got up in three. What was your sleep? Yeah, you got up in three. And then I wrote, and then I was, and then I had the script that I had to write notes on. So I spent like three or four hours rereading it, rereading it, rereading it, writing notes on and stuff like that. And then I was like, oh, God, I got to go back to sleep. And then I, I, it's guy was like, hey, you have a swirl. So I'm like, what? And I jumped out of bed. You should smell my breath. Oh, I'm good. I'm good. Hey, so what's good to know? What's the process when we're done here? Nick gets what a phone call or you want an in person? Yeah, no. I'm, no, I'm definitely going to ask what happened. No, I, um, yeah, that's it. That's it. And my niece is here with her friends. So there's five, there's five girls staying in the house. Oh my God, it's so there, you know, so you're up late. Let's bring them in and have them smell your breath. Can we do that? So wait, this is the daughter of who? This is my brother, Dennis's daughter, Elise. And I remember her name because it rhymes with niece. Oh, that's the, you remember the name of your niece? Yeah. And Jason, this is not a road you want to go down. Right. Sorry. Um, yeah. Hey, so how old is Elise? She's just turned 24. She's turned to 24. Take this sharpness out of your voice. Yeah. I know. He's so mad at me. One before and she's having a five person sleepover at Uncle Sean's house. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's fun. Yeah. Did they get, did they climb into a bottle of something last night? Yes, they did. Yeah. These girls, these girls, they're really funny though. But you know, they're like in the middle of dinner last night. Like they'll say the most random things are they crazy? They're crazy. They're crazy. I mean, it's how you're saying it's right in the middle of, we're talking about politics they're drinking or something. And her friend Taylor goes, oh, Taylor, Taylor. Taylor, Taylor. I don't, Taylor. Don't get me started with Taylor and Dennis. Taylor. Taylor. Taylor added, Taylor with politics. She must have, she goes in the middle of the thing, she goes, oh my God, you guys, do you hear Jesse Eisenberg is going to give away one of his kidneys to a stranger? I mean, that's unbombed. That's unbelievable. And then by the way, that's the best part. That's the whole story. He comes over the top with, and she goes, oh my God, you guys, he's so nice. By the way, I didn't know Jesse Eisenberg was giving away a kidney to a stranger. Hang on a second. Let's get back to Taylor's comment. I mean, and that's, that's it. I mean, was she working the cute thing that, what was that? Hey, so wait, so Jesse, I don't, I don't believe that one second that Jesse Eisenberg is giving away a kidney to a stranger. Yeah, that's not just some sort of, I didn't, it's in the news. Yeah. Really? Yeah, it was in the news. And they have, and they go, I didn't know, you guys, oh my God, Ed Sharon didn't use a phone. And then Ellie's goes, oh, he's so mysterious. And then I'm like, I'm like, they all really talk like that. And like, what, this is really happening. Where are they from? Chicago, Glen Owen. Glen Owen. They all flew in. Well, they all, no, now they won, lives in New York, and they, but they all live in the Chicago, and the area, and they all decided to fly in for her birthday. It was nice. It's fun. It's nice to be the host. But Jason, this is what people do for family, and this is what people do. It's selfless. My uncle is, is rich and famous and lives in Hollywood. And so they're going to go out there and stay in his mansion. That makes sense. What of that do you not get? For how long are these strangers going to be in your house? It's nice. They are going to be here for two or three more days. How long have they been there already? They're total of five days. That is a long day. Do you know the other girls' names? Yes. Taylor, Ainsley, Lilly. What's, oh shoot. And the new one. No, this is fun. Julie, a laundry. A laundry. A laundry. Catherine and Julie are surprised guests just through. I was close. What did the guests say? Julie, I was close. I was close. Oh my God. All right. Let's get to who is this person. This is the most fun guest. Sean, I'm really excited that we're catching with this. This is the rust we've ever seen you. I'm a nerd. You can tell I'm nervous because I know. I know. You are nervous because you just feel you're out of sort. You're having, you're just waking up. You're raw. And I haven't seen you this raw since Phil in the blank. So, no, that was the name of the bar. That was the name of the bar. They'd close it down for health reasons. But Phil in the blank. By the way, gross title. Are you guys going to meet at Phil in the blank later? Our guest. Our guest. I think that's Phil in the blank. Our guest has been active in the film business for many years. Dare I say most of his life. And I'm not just adult life. Most of his life life. So Jason, this is going to be somebody that you can identify with. This is Kurt Russell. But this is somebody who's been doing it for so long. And who reached such incredible heights of fame as a young person and has continued to work throughout. It's been incredible. Started in films like Rocket Gibraltar, Born in the Fourth of July. Then movies started to have more success in bigger roles. And movies like Uncle Buck, Jacob's Ladder, and then absolutely into the stratosphere with Home Alone, Home Alone, too. Richie Rich. And then Monday. It's McCulley Cugget. McCulley, you got that. Everybody come to the show. You were on my list as well. Oh my god, this is so cool. He's appropriately dressed in Smart List PJs. Oh, yes, just in chorus, yes. McCulley, I'm so sorry I was late. I, so many apologies. I'm never late. I'm not too late for that. He's just, no, I mean, just Taylor, when Taylor gets going and then just forget it. You know, I just, just let her off the leash. I swear. Can't even, I don't know if you heard about Ed Sheeran, but it's so mysterious. Look, Holly. McCulley Culkin. Oh my god, Lee. Where are we finding you today? I mean, I'm in Los Angeles, yeah. Yeah. Oh, what part? I live in Tuluka Lake. Tuluka Lake. I've done it. I've done it. I've done a lot of time there. Yeah. I like it. You like something, it sounds like a prison, you know, yeah. Yeah. I don't have time there. Yeah. I love it there. They got one of the greatest golf clubs in all of America there at Lakeside. Yeah. You golf, McCulley? No, no, but I'm investing in a golf cart. You know, we'll put it that way. So you can tool around the neighborhood? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, you know, because you got a Jones, you know, everyone has a golf cart. So you know, I got Jones, you know, yeah. By the way, you know what's interesting, Sean? I was going to say McCulley, what's interesting is that you're an angelino now, perhaps. You live in Los Angeles, but you're a New Yorker. And yet you played a character who's so closely identified with Chicago. Yes. So you've kind of really covered the whole country. You're a mayor. You belong to America. I'm going to say that. Yeah. Well, that's well put. Yes. But I love how many Yorkers like a Chicago, like, you know, they love me there. I swear to God, I do gang boosters over there. Do you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, Sean. Yeah, Sean. Yeah, Sean. Hang on, Sean. Yeah. Yeah. Sean's also done some time there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, go ahead. You want to just get it over with. Yeah. And then we can move on to other things. Yeah. So when I was a kid and I was in high school, John Hughes was making all of his movies in, as you know, in an interview. I remember. Yes. I remember. And so it was wild to, I've said this before, it was wild to grow up in the town. Where he was making the movies and then when I'm in high school, those movies came out about high school. So it was all, I was all in compass, John Hughes all the time all around Chicago. Who did you, Sean? Who did you identify with? Is it Ducky? By the way, I got called Ducky all the time all the time. I think I dressed like him and everything. Yeah. Did you ever see them shooting around around the neighborhood? Sean? No, but, uh, no, but Lucas, you know, was filmed in my high school. And if you remember that movie, Lucas, anybody? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Charlie Jean, you know, no, no writers for that. That was a great, that was a great little movie actually, Lucas. I like that. Yeah, I was an, I was an extra. It's like 14 years old. Anyway, did you sit in background holding? Mm-hmm. You're on a, on a, on a fold out. Were you, were you late to that? And that little boy, did you think through that? Did nobody wanted. That's right. McColley, Corkin, by the way, are you excited, Jason, when I thought you were going to say, is, are you excited for the release? Because we're going to talk about later of Zootopia 2. Yes, very much so. Yes. Me and Brenda are taking a bite of the forbidden fruit. Uh, we're playing brother and sister. Yeah. Oh, boy. Wait, who is? Me and my lady. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, that's, uh, I'm going to be at the premiere. Now, which, what, what, what animal is your character? Uh, we, we, we are playing cats that Meow is literal, yeah. Little, little, little. Jason, what are you, Jason? You're a fox, right? Thanks, man. You, you, you had that one in the chamber. Uh, what, McColley, you're in Zootopia and Jason, you didn't know which character you, you were. Uh, to be honest, you had no idea McColley was in it. Yeah, yeah. No, you can, you can, this is animation. Like, nobody, nobody, anybody, anybody know anything. Willie, you tell them I'm wrong. Oh, he is. I honestly don't even know what the film is about. I didn't know what the first film was about. I didn't know until I saw it. I have had those moments where, and this is so embarrassing, but like Jason, where somebody goes, hey, you run into something to go, hey, we're doing the thing and you go, no way. By the way, this is what it's done. This is not going into it. It's typical of animation. It's done. Yeah. You, you, you just, you just, you just, you just kind of, yeah, you like record your scenes, uh, you know, all a cart over the period of a couple of years and, yeah. Had you done a bunch of animated stuff McColley before? Yeah. Yeah. And the early 90s, like everyone else, they, uh, I had a Saturday morning cartoon, you know, I remember like, they gave one to, I remember they gave one to Roseanne Bard, John Candy and Camp Candy. They had, uh, uh, uh, what's the lobby's role? Howie Mendel, like, you know, like, Louis, Louis Anderson had his own Saturday morning cartoon. That's right. Give it away, like, like, like, like, candy. You know, yeah, yeah. Saturday morning cartoon. You guys was everything from when I was going. It was me too. Me too, man. I love that. It was so, we're a little bit older than you, Armacoli, but you probably also remember that feeling of the Saturday morning cartoon. Oh, yeah. No, look forward to it. I'm racing my kids with like, uh, like Saturday morning cartoons. Like it's like, yeah, I just, it's just on YouTube now, but like, yeah, it's, it's a thing. Exactly. Just on YouTube. And what was great about it back then was that we only, you only got it on Saturday. So you couldn't, it just wasn't available 24 seven. So it felt really special. It was a appointment television. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. All right. So McColley, we're going to roll it all the way back like we like to do. We're going to, we're going to get right to the beginning because you, you did start, like I said, when you were, as a, everybody, a lot of people know, uh, that you started very young acting, uh, and Jay, not unlike our friend Jason Bateman. What was the, what was the age? What was the age at which you were, you decided or you got you and your family decided, like, I'm going to do this. Was this predetermined or were you, that you seek it? What was the, what was the thing that started that said, hey, I'm going to, we should do this. Uh, it was actually, it was, uh, my father, he had, uh, he was going to take my older brother and sister and he was going to take like headshots of them in the park and it was, uh, and then my mom was kind of just like, oh, uh, just take Mac with you. Like, you know, I think she just wanted a break and, uh, yeah, I just started booking right away. I started out earning everyone else pretty fast. Wow. Really through commercials and stuff. I mean, uh, you know, it was more, I did, uh, like black box theater in Manhattan and I got written up for that. And then, um, honestly, I just, I jumped pretty much straight to film. Uh, I did a couple of commercials here and there, but that, uh, but like literally out of the gate, it was black box theater and then, then cinema. Wow. So, am I right? The rocket Gibraltar was your first film? Yeah. Yeah. That was actually, uh, Bert Lane Kester is one of his last movies and they hired a bunch of New York stage actors and I was a, you know, a stage actor. And it was a, um, uh, who's like Bill Pullman, Patricia Clarkson, uh, uh, uh, Spacey was, was in it and stuff like that. Uh, oh, yeah. I, uh, what was your, what was your, what was that life you first experience on a film set? How old were you? Do you remember? Uh, I was six. Wow. Yeah. No, honestly, it was, I just knew whatever the memorise your lines don't look in the camera, you know, uh, find your light, hit your marks, things like that. I was, it was pretty, it was pretty sweet. Yeah, I'm still trying to nail that down. No, but that's what posed my mind when young kids like yourself and how do they know to do that? Like there's so many kids that can't do that. What did your parents give you that? Yeah. Uh, I mean, yeah, pretty much, you know, like a, uh, you know, you're, you're, you're a kid, you're a fast learner, you know? And wasn't the draw, it was the draw it's the same for you as it was for you was just like, basically, I get to skip school. That's all I was looking at. You know, uh, as it went on, uh, for me, as it went on, it was actually the opposite, uh, because I was always away and I didn't like, and you have to remember a lot of my work. Oh, and I was, you know, pretty much when I was younger, I never were too young. I was pretty big. I was pretty big. I was pretty big. I was pretty big. I was pretty big. I was pretty big. I was pretty big. I was pretty big. I was pretty big. I was pretty big. I was pretty big. was a 14, quit for nearly a decade. And yeah, no, just with the school, with the high school, fell in love, got drunk for the first time. Think you said that. What was that like? I mean, because you had, as I pointed out, we all know you had incredible success. First of all, Uncle Buck, it's just an absolute jam of a film. It holds up. I watch it once a year. It kills me. You have great dreams. You were part of that John Candy documentary, too, about, right? Yeah, that was lovely. Yeah, really it was a good tribute to him. It really did him justice. They were actually trying to track me down for a while. And I just kind of kept on just going, yeah, I'll get around to it and it's never did. And then finally, yeah, finally they tracked me down and on the carpet when they did the premiere. I talked to Colin Hanks. He was the one who directed it. And I said, who was harder to track down me or Bill Murray? He goes, you. He didn't even blink. Wow. What was John Candy like? Because I've always just, that guy to me is just such a giant. Yeah, no, he was very giving. They always say don't work with kids or animals. But he was actually really good with me. Yes, he was very sweet. I did three films with him because he was also in home alone. And also I had a brief part in Only the Lonely. Yeah. Now, Colin, when you took your 10-year hiatus, was there an expectation that your spot would be held for you in line or were you at that point where you're like, I don't really care if I come back to this industry. I was done skis. I was full. I was done skis. Yeah. I was like, I hope you all made your money because there's no more coming from me. I made my name, I made my mark, I made my fortune. So I don't, you know, the only reason why I even do it now is because I like to do it. So, you know, it's a play, a pay, pleasure prestige. That's the only reason to do a gig. Technically, I'm retired right now. Like, I retire. And then if I find something I like, I unretired do that and I immediately retire afterward. Look at us. Every gig is my last. Sure. He just acts like he's retired. He's not retired, but he just sleeps. And he does it every once. He's like, what were you were not, when you were not acting and you were going through high school and then hitting the college years, was there a thought to study a different industry? Was there an interest poll anywhere? Not necessarily. You know, I was kind of just drifting around and trying to figure out kind of what I wanted out of life and so forth. And I mean, listen, this was a calling that found me. I didn't find it. And so I wanted to explore that in a different kind of way on my terms. Right. We'll talk about that because I went through a very similar thing where it's just like, well, I'm young enough to really start over. And at something that I can sort of drive a little bit more, I can have much more say in my longevity and my relevance and my access in any other career, any other occupation, any other industry. Did you want to do something else, JB? I did. I desperately wanted to do something that I could count on that I wasn't so nervous about maintaining employment in. And so I got another job before I ever fully went into studying something else. But was that a part of your thinking at all, McCauley? Was there... Tell us about that, about just thinking about going forward and providing. I mean, I was in the position where I could just put my thumb up and play video games all day long. I could do anything I wanted. I was really good at that. And so... There was enough employment before you quit at 14 to cover you for the rest of your life. Indeed. Oh, great. Wow. That's great. That was not my case. But there was that homeless family bank, you know? No, it wasn't enough. No, you did okay. I mean, we were all... I was spending too much. I was having fun, you know. On why? On just like basically catching up. Yeah. And we will be right back. 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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but it was also, it was kind of a rat race. Like it was, I remember when I stopped having fun, I wanted to kind of, I wanted to take a break and I said I was getting really taxed. And so like, yeah, I just kind of wanted to do like a semester of school, you know, that kind of thing. And I was not heard. And that was something that really affected me, it affected my work and so like that. And then it was just like, I'm on the hamster wheel and I can't get off. And so once I had some autonomy and some agency in my life, yeah, I graduate with both hands, you know, yeah. But that's a big burden for a kid of 14. First of all, it's kind of a big realization for a kid of 14 to be able to actually listen to yourself and go, hey, this doesn't feel great. And the people that I'm trusting, I'm trying to tell people this is how I feel and they're not necessarily recognizing that. There's got to be, I can imagine, I can only sort of try to imagine how I would feel if I felt like there must be a frustration in there a little bit. I'm not, by the way, I'm not trying to push you into a position. I'm just curious. No, no, no, I mean, I was definitely frustrated. Like, yeah, and it was, again, it was kind of just like, yeah, once I had the chance to get off, it was like cool. And I said, I'll just figure it all out later. You know, yeah, I'll just, oh, you know, that's kind of what I did, you know. And I imagine that the, were you like, like other child actors, myself included, was it the inevitability of your parents being your manager? Was that the case in your life as well? Uh, yeah, yeah. And I, I had a pretty acrimony of this relationship with my father, uh, famously so. Uh, yeah. Yeah. And the, the, the, the, as soon as I was able to kind of push him out, like, yeah, just my quality of life on the day to day level definitely went up. Right. Gotcha. Yeah, I had a very complicated relationship with that as well. Certainly as you get older in retrospect, it becomes even more complicated as you become a parent and, and you start to think about the decisions that they make about about being, um, an employee in your life and how that adjusts the dynamic of, of how you look at your parents as, you know, what should be sort of your, your North Star, the person that you follow, um, when instead they, they now create a dynamic where you're the boss at an age when you're kind of needing parental care. And that's what, and that's where their bright is buttered, you know, yeah. Yeah. It's really complicated, but, you know, I think, uh, you look to be on the other side of that very healthily. I hope I am. But JB, you pointed out before this, this idea of McCullough, I don't know if you had this, but I, this is always stuck with me, JB, that, and I, and I think about it from time to time, truly, I do that you, I remember you saying you had to keep your grades up in order to keep working, right? That there's by, by law, every six months. There was a pressure to keep your grades up so that you could work so that you could pay the bills because you were the bad one or good, right? Yeah. Every six months, it was a grading period. Are you, you had to maintain a C average or you lose your work permit? And so whatever job you're on, you would be fired immediately. And so all the crew members go out of work, all the, the network gets upset. The, you know, like, you're, and you're a kid. Oh, yeah. So the mid, midterms and finals, and you're doing a test that affects your grade by like 60 or 70%. It's just like earth shattering pressure. Right. Did you have that duty experience at McCoy? Not really. I was pretty fairly good at good student and I had a, I had a, a pretty great onset tutor. And she, yeah, she was very sympathetic to me and just when it came to, like, she could tell when I was tired or burnt out or something like that. If you have any trouble answering any questions, just whisper. I wasn't like that. I wasn't like that. But yeah, she definitely, she definitely, like, would lay off me like she, she, you know, just keep me awake. Like, you don't know this. Now, she's like, read me like the outsiders or something like that. Just like, hey, just look down. I'm going to read it to you. Kind of thing. Yeah, things like that. Like, you know, yeah. And so yeah, it was pretty great. You just rest your head. Where is this? Shake, golden pony boy. Get over here. Wow. Well, I mean, by the way, so then what we're not, what we're also not addressing is the fact so you decided 14. You're like, look, I need a break. I kind of want to shift gears here. I don't know if I want to do this anymore. Huge shift and compounded by the fact that you're about as famous a person there is on the planet at this point. Yeah. So there's still this day. Yeah. So this day, of course, but I'm saying that at 14. Yeah, it was, it was a difficult, the tricky waters to maneuver through and still like that because you don't necessarily have the actual or emotional vocabulary to really kind of, you know, maneuver through those waters. And I always kind of thought of myself as a pureless person. Like I couldn't turn left and right. Like, you know, like, and go, oh, you're like me. Like, you know, it was a very unique experience. Yeah. And so yeah, you know, so, yeah, it was, you know, I kind of had to like, you know, just figured out on my own for for for a big chunk of it. Yeah, I was going to say like, how have you adjusted if at all? How you are in public going to anywhere? Like do you feel like you have to kind of compromise yourself and go, God, here we go. I definitely have to gird myself, you know, for, you know, outings and so forth. Right. You know, I just set certain ground rules for myself, like, you know, just, yeah, like don't approach me when I'm at the dinner table. I don't like that, you know, don't approach me when I'm with my kids. Definitely don't follow me to the bathroom, you know, like things like that. You know, yeah. And I just realized that I'm in charge of the social contract. Sorry. I'm in charge of the interaction. So what are you scratching off on? What list? What are you doing? What are you talking about? We're looking to well. No, no. Sean drops a lot of notes that say, please follow me to the bathroom. So what the arrow. So then, so then there you are. So then there you are. And now you take a decade off or whatever it was a huge chunk of time. What's the moment where you go? I want to go back. You know, you can't get to like the end of high school and you kind of just like, oh, what am I going to do with my life? You know, again, I could cut and do whatever I wanted. And you know, there was that kind of thought where like I said, that this was something that found me. I didn't find it. Let me see. Let me, let me try this on for size a little bit. So I was about 20 or so, 2021. Went to London to to play there for a year, brought it back to the States. That was fun. It was a successful. And then you jumped into party monster. Then I did say what play was it? It's called Madame Melville. Yeah, the Vaudville theater on the strand. Sorry, Jason had a question. Yeah, nothing. Was there was there ever thought? Was there thought to go to college at all to study different career? Not necessarily. No, like instead, I mean, unless I had like a focus on something, I didn't really see the point of it. Like just get it degree in general. Like, if I wanted to be like, you know, wanted to study like Indos literature. So I thought, yeah, that would make sense. You know, but I didn't have that. Just certainly that kind of bone in my body. So yeah, I kind of just, although I did kind of, I semi regret it because I remember visiting friends at college. I go, that looks like fun. You know, yeah. Right, right. But again, it would have been, it would have been purely social really. You know, it's like, yeah, I'm paying all that money to be social with people. Social life enough outside of college to, to pacify that. Yeah, no, definitely. You know, yeah, I've had good groups of friends and so forth. And, you know, yeah. Oh, I thought you were, I thought Jason, you were saying, did you party? Basically, I'm looking at my daughter at college right now. And just like, it just, it looks like so much damn fun. I mean, I definitely had fun without college, but my God, that the whole sort of, and then it, because it's like this great counterbalance. Like, once you kind of sober up and you get past your hang or whatever, you do want to kind of balance it with some, I didn't have that opportunity. With college, you can go listen to some incredible professor. Give a lecture on something and you can kind of bathe yourself with something that's a, it's high brow, you know, I don't know. It would have been a good, good, good thing for me. You sound so wistful. You know, I know. All I had was Charlie Rose in New York Times to serve me with myself. McColley, did you ever guest aren't a sitcom or anything? Uh, yeah, it's funny. There was, there was one long time ago, geez, I can't remember the name of it. Ah, yeah. I'm Grace. Yeah, I did a bit of sort of Will and Grace. Yeah, it was great. You're fantastic. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Yeah. No, I remember you were talking about how you, uh, you turned about Nancy Klumsky. Yeah, that was the one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You were like, I know Nancy. I know Nancy and Anna, you know, yeah. Wait, oh, that's right because of you. Like, you did an impersonation of her. I was like, I'm spot on. I've been seen her in like 15 years, but that was like, yeah, you pinged me. That's right. Of Anna's mom, Nancy, wait, because you were in, uh, my girl. Yeah, we're my girls together. Yeah. And Anna and I grew up in Chicago. Yeah. I don't know what it's all about. Everybody's connected as well. Yeah. Yeah. It's a small town really. You were great. You were great on the show. It was, it was fun. Yeah. I mostly worked with Megan and stuff, but that was, that was fun. Yeah. Yeah. I would to be fair. Also, I didn't know what I was walking into. I'd never seen an episode in my whole life. That's fine. Me neither. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You guys have any there. Yes. So, uh, uh, so McClellan, so you take the break. You come back, you do a theater. You come back to New York and then you do party monster. And I remember that was kind of like your big, right? Right. It was like a big Sundance hit, right? It was like, yeah, it was. Yeah, I was, yeah, it's kind of what I wanted. You know, I was like, oh, I saw the Sundance. I was like, look, looks cool. I wanted to send this Sundancey and stuff, you know. Yeah. It was basically a true story. The book was really good. It was just like, yeah, like a, you know, uh, it was kind of a left of center, kind of material. I kind of, I didn't want to just jump into studio fair, really. And, and did you feel, did you feel satisfied? Once you did that, not satisfied in terms of like I'm good for it. But did you feel like, okay, I'm doing the right thing here. I'm back. I'm kind of doing, I'm kind of driving my own train here a little bit now. Yeah, definitely. It was, it was nice to try those, those boots on for size. And yeah, and kind of like again, having some, you know, autonomy. Like I said, in agency where I was kind of like, oh, this, this is what I want to do. And yeah, no, it was, it was a ton of fun. You know, yeah, it was a very different. So I was doing all these like really expensive studio kind of gigs. And next thing you know, we're, we're kind of gorilla filming in Times Square waiting, waiting for the police patrol to go by so that we could fill them and then, you know, got to wait again. And like, you know, Seth Green is dressed like a pork chop. I'm wearing just nothing, but like, you know, just like a feather boa as, as an entire outfit. Yeah. Great movie. And it was. What's the movie? What do you laugh at, Jason? I'm gonna call it. Oh, I was wearing a feather ball. It's complete out, but it's just like, yeah, yeah. No, I love that. It's right. I love that movie. It was. Sean, I'm just woke up. Sean's very right. He just woke up. Wait, so brand so, wait, so Brenda, right? Is it her name, Brenda? Yeah, yeah, Brenda. Yeah. And so, yeah, as she, forgive me, that's your wife. Yeah, we're actually, we're unwed, uh, interracial couples. So yeah, we check all the boxes when it comes to, uh, well, wait, for them, you haven't slept together. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, twice really, you know, wait a second. I, I'm the maker. It was him. Yeah. Oh, look at those kids. Boys. Two boys. My guest is right. I'm the maker of men. Oh, wait, let me see it again. Let me see it again. I know you have to tap it again. I know that. I know that. Yeah. Face ID. Look at those things. Oh, that's good. Great. I can't wear a double breasted jacket. Yeah. No, they're two boxed on me. You ever tried Rocket and Mohawk, too? Yeah, they're two boxed on me. Um, all right. So where, when, when, when, when did you meet your, your, your, your, your baby mama? Yeah, yeah. We did a film together in Thailand. I went all the way to Thailand to be the Thai girl from Sacramento. Uh, and, yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. And that we cut it that there. We didn't have any scenes together, but we had a lot of free time. Let's put it that way. And then, oh, yeah. And I, I think, I think, especially she, she was looking at, oh, this is going to be a flame. And I think we both were like fleeing, you know, yeah. And she's like, I never had a fling before. And, uh, yeah, we got back to the States. And, uh, we kept it going. And, you know, yeah, how long has that been? About eight and a half years now. Yeah. Oh, wow. Very cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll get married someday, you know, I mean, it's funny because, uh, she, she wanted me to propose, she wanted to get married. And so finally, I put a ring on it. And now she's in no hurry to get married. I'm like, wait a second. Like, I guess, I'm going to gauge perpetually engaged. Yeah. It's been, she's about four, four years almost on the dial. We got engaged on Christmas of 2021. Uh, uh, now, how do you like being a dad? I mean, it's, uh, considering the, the incredibly colorful childhood you had, um, are you enjoying, uh, having that role now? Yeah. No, I absolutely love it. You know, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's a little, it's, it was strange, um, cause it's, I didn't really have a lot of, uh, uh, I'm kind of reinventing the wheel. Let's put it that way. I didn't really have any good role models. So, you know, my, my father was a goddamn piece of work. Uh, right. And it was completely untraditional. Non-subblier. It was, it was, it was absolutely scary. Uh, uh, and yeah, like I said, like, my, my, you know, like what, like what a proper family was. Right. It was more, you know, it was like a watching something like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, you know, growing pains or family, family ties or something like that. You know, yeah, because I definitely did not have a conventional, um, uh, family. So, how many, how many of your siblings, sorry? Oh, I'm third of seven kids. My, my mother did not have a family. She had a litter, a litter of coconuts. Wow. Sure. Wow. Um, so are you, do you guys run a very, then traditional house? Like is there Sunday dinners and yeah? Yeah. I mean, we definitely were matching pajamas. Um, we did, you know, uh, and yeah, no, it's a, they're, they have a more structured life than I did. Mine was kind of more freewheeling kind of, you know, like a, it makes you want to be a better dad, right? Indeed. Indeed. You know, that's, that's the whole thing. I don't want the sins of my father being passed onto my kids. Right. Right. So yeah, I'm, you know, so yeah. I've been, and are you, so are you close to your, uh, your family, your, your family of origin, like your, your siblings and, um, a little bit, I mean, yeah, I mean, I keep in touch, but they're, they're all East Coast. They, none of them have ever lived outside of New York City. Uh, I've, I've lived all over the place and stuff. So I'm 3000 miles away. So it's, you know, I don't see them as often. I touch base things like that, you know, Merry Christmas. How many of them are, are, are performers? I know that you're, you're, your brother, Keirin's an actor, of course. Yeah. I'm very proud of him. Between me and him, we have exactly one Oscar. Yeah. Uh, that's good. That's really good. And, uh, and, and my brother, Rory, he, he works a lot too. He actually works for the mean Keirin combined. He just, he's just doing a bunch of indees and stuff. He's always, he's always moving. Is it nice, is it nice to be able to reach out to a sibling and, and discuss the, the oddities of, of this business? I know I enjoy that sometimes with my sister. Uh, no, we don't really, we, we, we, we, we, we don't really talk shop, you know, yeah, yeah, we were kind of, uh, I mean, occasionally you kind of touch base on it kind of thing, but it's like, you know, like, um, you know, just just because, like, you know, it's just because you're both mailmen. Doesn't mean you want to talk about mail, you know, that, you know, is your, is your wife still acting? Oh, yeah, no, she's, she, she, she, uh, she's, uh, always swimming. She's always moving forward. She's on that show running point. She just finished season two last week. Oh, wow. Uh, and she's, uh, she's got, she's working on two films in January and March and stuff. Look, yeah, she, she, she books. She likes it. She likes to pursue. I don't really like to pursue. I like the work itself. Right. She likes the whole package. She loves auditioning. I freaking hate it. Like things like that, you know, yeah, me too. Oh, yeah, yeah. So she's a bit of a massacast then, huh? Yes, indeed, you know, but, uh, God blister, because she, uh, she knew what she wanted out of life, uh, and she knew what to pursue and she pursues it to her fullest, uh, which is very admirable, you know, admirable. But, uh, yeah, I, I, you know, for me, I'm kind of just, uh, I'm kind of more of a, like, she's a shark. She has to keep swimming or she drowns. I'm more of a kind of, uh, I'm kind of more of a feeder fish. I kind of live things, too, to hear me kind of thing, you know, yeah. All right. Well, but, uh, Maccala, you sound so, I, I don't mean to press you on this. I'm just, I'm purely curious because, uh, I, I, we come from some similar backgrounds, but, like, I'm, I'm so, uh, in awe of your, your contentment, like, it seems like you, uh, you know, I'll take it if it comes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I'm not particularly obsessed or drawn to any one particular thing. There's no, there's, in other words, are, are you, do you have anything like, I've got to get this done before I die? Uh, not necessarily. I mean, these are, like, my work and things like that. Uh, it's like, you know, gosh, I mean, you know, I practically just, sometimes I used to do, like, general meetings, like, for a living kind of thing. Of course. You know, they want, they want a silver bullet idea, you know, and I mean, they want, oh, like, they want me to walk in there and go, I want to play a doctor, but I could be one, you know, I want to play a quarterback, you know, I don't really have that. I let things how to come to me. It's the, um, the old, uh, you know, um, was the case before the Supreme Court. And they were like, uh, what they tried to define what pornography was. Right. And pornography, the definition of it, according to the Supreme Court is, I know it when I see it. Uh, so it's literally what, what he said, you know, yeah. So, uh, so I, I, I'll know it when I see it. I treat, I treat it like pornography pretty much what I'm trying to say. Sure. But acting is a thing that, that you're interested in pursuing at this moment. Um, yeah, yeah. No, yeah. Yeah. I'm on the new show, uh, Fallout or, you know, that I'm doing season two of that. And so we're doing that earlier in the year and stuff. But look, yeah, like, here's the thing is that you can't get caught in the rat race. You know, you could win an Oscar, right? Right. And you're backstage and you're doing the press conference and you're holding your trophy. You're the top of your game. And do you know what they ask you? What are you doing next? Right. As if it's not good enough, you know, and I don't buy into that. All the people that have won Oscars, even been nominated. And there's just nothing that comes afterwards. It's like, that is not, that's not the thing. It's so, and that's, that's why I'm asking. It's like, you couldn't, you couldn't ever be more famous than you are now. Um, and so it's clearly not fame or money that you're looking. Is it, are you interested in literally just playing different people like the whole literal thing that an actor does? Is that interesting to you? Like, are you fascinated by different kinds of people? Yeah. I like, I like the adventure of, of, probably, these different shoes and things like that. And, um, you know, it's something that's kind of like, just, it comes pretty naturally to me and so forth. I mean, I, I've had a director. He was like, how could, because are you doing that on purpose? I'm like, what? He goes, you walk different when they, when I call action. And I'm like, no, I just, I just do it. Like, you know, I mean, I don't practice it in the mirror and stuff like that. I kind of like just kind of wrapped myself up in some of these things and kind of just not, not thinking, make it reflexive, you know? I, I looked on your Instagram. I saw that you were in Vegas. Do you like Las Vegas? I love the Vegas. I do. I, I did convince Brenda. She was like, I don't like gambling and stuff. I go, no, no, the food's great. And, you know, the shows are cool and stuff. And now I got her at the tables, though. Now, now she, now she's a blackjack player. You know, why is that your game? Yeah. Yeah. Play blackjack. You know, sometimes I'll tour a little on a roulette and so forth. You know, yeah. But I don't, I don't play crap. God doesn't play dice, you know? Yeah. I don't need to do that. Sean, Sean, if you, I've been to Vegas with Sean before. If, if you didn't, if you didn't pull them away from the tip, like if Sean happened to be there for a week, he'd lose it all. It's unbelievable. It's the star of the gamble, it's not true, but it's not. No, blackjack, it's unreal. I saw him went splitting, splitting Aces, bubble, and at one point, he had, I don't even want to say it was obscene. He just come in, yeah, double down, double down, double, double, I'm like, dude, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, when you had a few, you just kind of make bad decisions. But what? I don't drink when I gamble, that's the trick. I don't think you've been winn and less your drunk. That, that was my problem, yeah. But I do the roulette a lot and I almost always win because I just almost bet on every number. You know what I mean? So they look for folks like you. You know? What's that? We'll be right back. And back to the show. What about the sphere? Have you been in the sphere yet? Yeah, we saw Backstreet Boys there. My lady was living her best life. She actually dressed like she really dressed the part. She looked like a mom that was a big fan of Backstreet Boys. I mean, she was wearing all white with the bandana. She be dazzled her own shirt for it. It was freaking amazing. I was never a Backstreet Boys guy. But man, it was actually really great. We got to meet the boys. They were very sweet. I think she wants to go back before the end of the year. I think they're doing a Christmas look residency too. Guns to your head, Mack. You got to pick one. One of the boys is your favorite. Oh my God. Who? Who's the Fox? Well, what's the scenario where there's a gun to his head? He's a guy. He's one now. Kevin. Kevin. No. But he's a Fox. The Kevin is a Fox. Yes, he is. He was the Fox. Kevin. Speaking of Kevin, I'm going to drag it back to Kevin. Oh, nice. Yeah. Do you know the story that there is a footballer? This is a long tie-in. A footballer who plays professional soccer in Belgium. I believe he plays for union. There's a professional footballer called Alexis McAllister. He's a midfielder for Liverpool. I love him. He won the World Cup with Argentina. He's incredible. His family is a virus descent. But they grew up. It's like his great-grandparents moved to Argentina. His brother, Kevin, plays professional as well in Belgium. And he found out when he was 18 that he was named after your character. No way. Is that true? His name's Kevin McAllister. And his name's Kevin McAllister and his brother plays for Liverpool. I should get his jersey and I should sign it and give it to him back to him. Absolutely. I got to look this up. Yeah, yeah. And I remember watching because they played Champions League last year randomly Liverpool and the brothers played each other and the commentator goes, did you know that he found out when he was 18? Was there a time that Holly went, because I've asked this before and it's happened to me, probably all of us, when you're so identified with somebody like I was with Will and Grace and you with Kevin McAllister, where you fought the attention it brought you for so many years and then something clicked you're like, you know what? And he didn't brace this thing and like it kind of made me who I am. Was there a moment like that, do you remember? Yeah, I mean, it was definitely burdensome for sure. Yeah. And yeah, you know what I said? The trick is just relax, set up your own ground rules, things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Realizing that I'm in charge of the social interaction, you know, like usually when people meet a celebrity, they go, I'm going to be cool. And then they meet and they turn into something else. And so it's like, it's kind of, you know, it's like, oh, I'm in charge. I can guide this interaction. And also I know, I know all kinds of shortcuts and stuff like that. Like, you know, just if you want to end it, you just go, nice to meet you. Or, you know, yeah, or have a great day or something like that. And a lot of times they walk away before they even realize the interactions over with and like, oh, man, I didn't get that photo. Like, yeah, you sure didn't. Bye. But when you were, when you were a, how old are you? Did the first home alone? I was nine when I did that. Yeah. So you're nine. You do that movie and you're still, I guess, living at home in New York, right? It's a 35 year anniversary of it, actually. Oh, wow. Yeah. The Academy Museum later this month. Oh, wow. That's cool. That's insane. Yeah. So you're nine years old. You're super famous and you're still living at home with your parents and your siblings. I imagine in New York. Yeah. But you're the most famous person on the planet walking down the same street. It must have been, that must have been an adjustment. Yeah. It was a lot. I was looking at an old Irish neighborhood and stuff like that. You know, I'm the, you know, I'm an actor. I'm a ballet dancer. I'm the, all these things. So they're like, hey, what the fuck is this? You know, like that kind of thing. There was a little bit of that, you know? But there was also, yeah, but, um, yeah. No, it was strange. There was some whiplash. I was shooting my girl in Orlando when the first home alone came out and, you know, like, yeah, I was kind of an actor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it wasn't a big deal. And then, um, that movie came out. And then, um, I remember the old neighborhood kids, like just of that little community I was living in. We're now picking through my window. I was like, wait, I know you. You're, you're Jimmy, Jim, Jim over there. You know, yeah. And it's like, no, you beat all of a sudden. It's like, oh, I'm different. I'm not one of them anymore. It was like that. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, yeah. There was kind of an adjustment period there where, you know, and I kind of maneuvered those waters as best I could. Really, you know, I really wasn't giving a lot of tools. Uh, uh, so it was kind of just, yeah, I kind of just had to embrace it. But for me, it, everything made sense. You know, you're in a hero's journey. You know, I mean, oh, you do little black bucks theater. You do smaller movies. You do bigger movies. And then you're a huge fat superstar. Uh, that makes sense. That's the hero's journey. And it's not until you have perspective. I go, oh, this is quite abnormal, actually. Like, you know, there's a lot of people who are hacking away at it and they don't, they don't get there. You know, yeah. Right. Right. Talk a little bit more about that sort of the dichotomy of you are embraced and a part of such a huge global community. You're one of all of the whole world wants to talk to you. But then you have like that moment with your immediate group, your friends, you know, down the block. And there's kind of this thing that eats at you that you're really not one of them. Like they talk, they talk to you and about you a little bit differently. Like when you go back to your regular school or whatever, I remember feeling so lonely and disconnected with that. That such that, you know, when I had the time and the money to do it, I like, I overcompensated for trying to get back into that community and just partied like crazy and tried to like, you know, be one of the guys. Did you go through any of that yourself? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I definitely did plenty of partying and so forth, you know, I mean. But in pursuit of that to try to get back and just be one of the guys. Uh, yeah. No, that was, I said, I wanted to go to school. You know, I was mostly for social reasons. I wanted to hang out with people like age. That was a big thing for me. And so I definitely wanted that. But, you know, but it's, you know, it's interesting. It's like, you know, you know, how everyone you're told when you're younger, everyone's delicate snowflake, you know, everyone's different and so like that. I truly felt different, you know, I mean, like, yeah, like, and in rather than looking as a burden, it was kind of like, no, I'm a unicorn, you know, like, yeah. I'm a, I'm just kind of mythical creature. I am different. Um, and I kind of enjoyed that as well. But at the same time, again, you're, you are kind of a load on an island. You know, you are, you know, um, again, a pureless person, you know, someone who's an accountant can turn left and right and there's other accountants in the office. Right. Like, I don't get to have that. But, but also like, not only that. And then, and then there also, there is the, you know, the, the sort of the commerce of it. Did you appreciate your nine, ten, you're making the deal for the next one? I remember like, that stuff's like published in the paper about how big it's going to be and all that kind of stuff. Did you, how do you, how do you sort of absorb that kind of information when you're nine, ten, eleven years old? I knew I was making some bank. I do that. But I didn't, you know, you know, you're nine, ten, you're not reading. I'm not reading entertainment weekly, you know, like, that's like, you know, I'm watching the new X-Men cartoon. You know, that's what I'm doing, you know, yeah. Trying to find some, you know, normality, you know, in my life and stuff like that. So I didn't really keep track of it. I was kind of also, I didn't like, you know, I wasn't told how much I was being paid either. Right. I called it the tiny slip of paper kind of meeting. I turned 18 and I go to my business manager's office and, you know, boom, he has all my financials. And he just slides it across the table and it's like, okay, this is what you got. And I had a sense of how much it was and it was about, you know, it was about right. Yeah. And also, I'm just very fortunate because a lot of people, you know, a lot of kids, they, you know, they work not just in this business, but all around the world. You know, there's, you know, people working in, you know, diamond mines in Africa. You know, there's, you know, there's, you know, there's, you know, there's, in the slums of Mumbai, they got nothing to show for it. So I'm, I wake up very blessed every day and knowing that like, yeah, I came out the other end of the spin-sale. So, so, so like Jason, we've heard to before about, you just seem so chill and together and like you figured it out for yourself, which is great. You're gonna put your job in for Christ's sake. Exactly. Yeah. I'm on the clock. Yeah. So what, so what's it, what are you worried about? What's the thing that you worry about? No, you know, I mean, standard stuff. You want to make sure, you know, I raised my boys, right? Yeah. You know, make sure the ladies, like, you know, happy that, you know, that, you know, our cups are full, you know, it's that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's, it's standard kind of stuff because again, if I never work again, I'm totally fine when it comes to acting or anything like that. Like, you know, like, you said, every job's my last job. I'm in a conscious state of retirement until I'm not, you know, that I retire again. So, yeah, I don't, I don't look, my trick is I don't look for satisfaction over there. Yeah. I turn into a boyfriend and come to stuff, you know, both me and my family, you know. What do you do to give it to alleviate the stress? Do you have, do you have a, do you have a hobby that brings you great pleasure that the people will be surprised about? You know, you know, will you like this? I'm a big Lego guy. Really? Yes. I build a lot of Legos. I probably in the last, I probably built about 30 sets the last like 40 days looking at you. Wow. You know, Lego has, as I will say, does have real sort of, you think, call me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a puzzle restorative quality to it. Yeah. You sort things out, you build it piece by piece, you know, you get that release of endorphins when you're done. Yeah. And then that's a accomplishment. I love that. It's therapeutic. It can be really therapeutic in a way. Are you at the level now that, and I am not. In fact, I haven't thought about this until just this moment. Or do you go without the books? Oh, no, no, I still do the books. But I do that, like some of the 10,000 pieces sets and stuff like that too. I clocked myself. I do just under 500 pieces an hour. I can do, you know, yeah, like, what kind of thing? I don't like your thing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty, I got sick of nature at this point. Yeah. Do you have like a, like a, a, a, a, a, a brainiac in like that way, right? No, no, I just, but you know, I, I can anticipate. If you do it long enough, you can anticipate what they're going to do next. So what I sort things and so forth. I want you to try one without the books. One of these. That'll be interesting. Yeah. See what it looks like. Because of that, do you have like OCD? Because you like to make things like complete like that? No, not necessarily. Like, it keeps my, it keeps my mind and my hands busy, you know, and, uh, yeah. And also it's, it's decorative and so forth. I love like, I'll build like an avenger set. And then my three and four year old just tear it absolutely apart. But it's like, but also that's what it's, honestly, I kind of like that. You know, it's just, um, what is it? It's like the Chinese, like, uh, like, uh, uh, like Vases or whatever. They built them and they smashed it and then put them back together. And that's kind of, you know, that's the beauty of it. Do you get annoyed when your boys try to help? No, not at all. No, I've, if anything, like, they're on like the duplo stuff. It's all the oversized things. Right. But I'm really looking forward to building like, you know, some, some proper sets with them. And they have helped me. I'm like, oh, give me that red one, please. And like, you know, so they're going to super be into it. They love it. I always get them little Lego men and things like those mystery boxes and all that stuff. Yeah, there's a lot of, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm, I have, I have deep, uh, deep connections with the folks over in Denmark and, uh, with the Lego company. I'm going to get you in touch with them. I think that you need to do like a signature build, like design a build. For the world, the McCallley call consent. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've opened up that gateway for me. Yeah, for sure. You know, we were just on, on Fridays and Saturdays on a, uh, non-school nights, uh, we do slumber parties. And Mama Pop was bed and, uh, let clockwork, it's, they liked the Lego movie, but also they're super into a Lego Batman. They're super into it. You sound like a turtle. My oldest dress is Batman, uh, this, this Halloween because he's a big fan of Lego Batman, you know, yeah. Oh, that's great. Yeah. He was Batman. She was Robin and I asked him, oh, what do you want me to be? It was, I want you to be a toilet. Wow. Oh, that's right. I saw that. I saw you when it was a toilet. I was a toilet. Yeah. That's hilarious. Uh, yeah. But, you know, if you're, you're so nasty to be a toilet, you got to be the best thing toilet you can be. You know, yeah. That's right. That's, uh, that's a terrible thing. There we go. See, just, just for context. Very. That's hilarious. Yeah. How did you do that? Did you make that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that if you go as a toilet, you hope that every around you doesn't give a shit. Oh, yeah. Well, our next. I would jump out from behind trees going, pooh. I walked by like, if someone like, there was somebody dressed as a banana, I go, see you later. Yeah. You know, the people like, oh, oh, oh, yeah. I love corn. Yeah. And I had a little bag in my bowl and stuff like that. And they like, oh, I'd be trick-or-treating and they like do you want some candy? Oh, no, I just eat poo. And then I would have a, a, a sticker bar ready. Oh, I love poo. Like, yeah, just the kids loved it. I, this one came, just follow me around the entire time all around the neighborhood. You know, yeah. Oh, yeah. I love the fact he's like, I'm looking, I'm walking, talking toilit. Meanwhile, Sean is hiding in his house with the lights off and it's on the front door saying, keep moving. Yeah. That's true. It's so true. No, we know. We know. You've got a house full of candy, even when it's not Halloween. And you don't want to shiver or have it a wedding. Like, like, like, like smouger something. Yeah. Totally. Wow. Or maybe. Wait, what's the, wait, what's the, what's the perfect day with you and your family? Just, I know you just said that slumber thing, which is cool. Yeah, we just slumber party. I really love that. You know, I'm, I like taking to, I'm teaching my boys how to be romantic. So I take them to Trader Joe's and pick out flowers so they can give it to grandma and mama and stuff like that. Like, I like doing that kind of stuff. I like teaching them things like, you know, yeah, it's, it's good. But man, they're at that age. They're running me ragged. Like, just, you know, do it's like 40 minutes straight to cardio. Just like, yeah, playing, playing. He's like, you be the bad guy. I'll be the police and you be the fireman. Oh, he's like, okay, okay. And it's like, oh, man, I'm just like, I'm literally setting fires. You know, so the fireman can put it out. You know, yeah, like, I think, uh, run me ragged. But they're, they're that really sweet spot with their, um, like they are little people now. They have opinions and the way they converse just being a fly on the wall. It's, it's so cute. You know, yeah. And, um, I think grandma taught the boys at my youngest who's three taught, uh, taught them our real names. Oh, it's just like what, what's your popus name? Is that McCauley Coulkey? Yeah. And it's like, what's my, like, when does Tom? It's like, I don't know. That's always kind of fast name when you learn your parents' names. I thought it was mom and dad, yeah. Well, my oldest, uh, see, my kids, they look at like a single sweet life, Zach Cody, that was the show that my lady was on when she was a kid. Um, they watched that and they'll go, oh, that's Mama on TV. I showed them how well-loaned, uh, my oldest, especially he thinks he's Kevin McAllister. Oh, he doesn't put it, he doesn't put it together. It's me. Like, you know, so he sits there and I'm like, oh, do you remember going down the, the stairs on the slays? Like, yep, yep, yep. Do you remember, you know, I'm trapped for the bad guy. He's like, yeah, sure, dude. I'm like, you liar. You lying liar. Who lies? That was me. Do you like your shoes? That's what paid for your shoes. Right. See, no resemblance between you and the kid in that movie. I love that. You know, he has no idea. No idea. And one day I'm waiting for the big reveal where all of a sudden he's just going to turn to me and go, hey, wait a second. I'm not telling him. I've been telling him to spoil the reveal at school. It were during recess or something like that. He's going to turn and go, wait, you've been the whole time. Like, yeah, whole time. But, you know, uh, you have all the kids on this planet earth. They're the closest ones to actually say, oh, yeah, I'm like that kid from that movie. You know, yeah. And also watching that movie is taking on an entirely different experience now, like, you know, before it was kind of just, oh, it was a movie that I did. Now it's something I show my kids. And it's, you know, it's a different animal now. I appreciate it differently. It's a classic holiday movie. Do you, do they like watching it during the holidays? They absolutely love it. Yeah. And they still don't know what's you. They still don't know what's me. That's crazy. Well, I mean, you know, it has been 35 years. Yeah, no, I know. But I'm just like, that's so wild. Yeah, no, I guess it's going to dawn on them. It's going to dawn on them. And it's going to be like, yeah, like a lot of other parents I showed my kids. They've all seen it a zillion times in love. Well, they have good taste, yes. Yeah, they've been, it's been a staple. Actually, you know, it's funny. I made a video on, I took a photograph of my son from a few weeks ago. And I put it on an AI app. And I gave the prompt to have somebody hand him a golf club. And then he does a golf, does a swing. So he did it. These apps are incredible. So he does the golf, his, this AI generated video. And I show it to him. And he's like, yeah, I remember that. And I go, you never did that. I did. Yeah, he's five. And he's like, no, I did that. I'm like, no, you didn't. That's it. But I just saw it. It's clearly it's me. It clearly is me. Anyway, well, McColle, call again, you first of all, Zootopia 2, you and Jason, Jason, so in love with your character. Oh, my God. Yeah, incredible work. He's. Who thinks you two, man? You know, yeah, can't we meet you on the carpet? And then the next season of fallout as well, you can be seen there as well. And McColle, thank you for joining us, man. You're just an absolute legend. Well, thanks. Well, it's such a joy. Such a joy to have you. Great. How many of you, pal? Yeah, the great McColle, Colken, thank you so much, dude. Thanks for being here. Thanks a lot, guys. Bye, buddy. See you later. Cheers. Bye, tutels. Fantastic. I love learning. Oh, my God. I love learning about the, all that stuff. Like you want to ask him about the homolog, but you're like, can I shouldn't die? But then you're like, I want to know. So it's pretty, that's so wild as kids don't know it's him. I know. That's really funny. Not just that. That's going to be, they're going to be, wait a minute. Well, like I want to, he shouldn't, he needs to film that moment when they're like, wait a minute. That's you. But really cool. And like, I like how you said, Jay, about how he's kind of just down to earth, figured it out, kind of parented himself through the whole thing and came out great. He feels very comfortable with himself and where he's at. Yeah. Exactly. And he's got that, that, that magic sort of indifference, right? About, about, about work and success and all that stuff that a magic or is it, or is it sexy? It might be sexy. It could be a little magic. It's probably just keep him working the rest of his life because he's just got that, you know, healthy. You know, the thing about the sexy indifference is it's kind of naughty. It is kind of naughty. It is. I'm doing dirty. Did you know, Jesse Eisenberg, even with Kenny, a stranger. Was it Taylor? Taylor and the gals in here. Can we get to the environment? No, they would love to. I mean, we'd love to see how they're sleeping. Let me see. Oh, yeah. Or I'd just go in the intercom. How long does it take to get for one end of your house to the other? A while, right? Do you have golf carts, series of golf carts? Oh, and Sean's doing so well. I know he's doing so well. Come on. I'm really doing it. Yeah. Okay, so sorry about being late again. Well, listen, Sean, I'm glad you mentioned that. Do you have a second here? I'm glad you're doing it. I'd love to talk to you about things. I've got a little sloppy. Like, I think you've been out of your, you know, and I'm glad that I'm glad that the audience is not listening to this because I will. Do you want to start? Yeah, I just said, we, let me read the thing I wrote. Sean, we love you and we feel like we are losing you. So. Oh, wait, they're all coming in. They're all coming in. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Here we go. One by one. Let's go. Where are they going? What? Here's the name of our Mr. Go, Sean. Hi. Hi. Look at the, look at the, you're doing, Sean. I know. And this is what's, yeah, we, yeah, we talked about Jesse Eisenberg. Oh, my God. Oh, he's like really nice. Yeah. Who's, what's, there is kids, you know, stranger. I know. I know. We know. And what about who doesn't use a phone? Ed Sheeran. Ed Sheeran does use a phone. And what do we think of that? He's so out of touch. Yeah. He's so mysterious. Well, maybe he just needs a smartless mobile plan. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe he needs a smartless mobile plan. He said, obviously, yeah. Yeah. Sean, sign them up to smartless mobile immediately. Would you? Can you hear? No, they can. Elise. Elise, hi Elise. Say hello. Hi. Hi Elise. Oh, my God. You know what? Ask them, ask them to say. Yeah. And you listen. Okay, ready. Okay, we got to go now. So everybody we're going to say one, two, three. Bye. Bye. Hey. Hey. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smartless is 100% organic. And artisanally handcrafted by Michael Grant Terry, Rob Armsjav, and Bennett Barberco. Smart. Last. There used to be very little visibility and control in treasury. Today, JP Morgan Payments delivers real-time dashboards and control at your fingertips. That's the power of clarity. That's JP Morgan Payments. Copyright 2025, JP Morgan Chase & Company. All rights reserved. JP Morgan Chase Bank, and a member FDIC. 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