WR & TE Rookie Preview + Best Landing Spots - Fantasy Football Podcast for 4/2

Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host Andy Holloway Jason Moore and Mike Wright Welcome in Thursday April 2nd Mike Wright Jason Moore Andy Holloway the fantasy footballers back with you once again Part two of our rookie preview episodes diving into the wide receiver position today in a couple tight ends actually how many tight ends are we gonna talk about okay just two mm-hmm I thought you held up one finger I was like that's well it nope be careful with that I think we could go I mean on today's episode We're gonna talk about two but there's I think there's a handful of interesting tight ends in this class there are there's There but there's two guys who will be drafted. Yes, there's yeah, there's two important fantasy impact potential tight ends that are obvious We will get into cementifil news as well some mailbag if we have time for it. 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It's tough, but it's fair All right, no quick question of the day we're gonna jump right into some news News and notes from around the league Well, the quotes are coming hot and heavy from head coach Aaron Glenn in New York first He said and we didn't get to talk about it But you know Smith's gonna lead them to quote the promised land and Then now we have a quote from Aaron Glenn saying he expects Meowson Taylor himself to make a big step up and anticipates quote a hell of a year. Oh Okay, is that I still like Mason Taylor. You guys know this. I like the bit, but I like Mason Taylor I think he's an actually I have no problem with it. I do he's he has a talented player not every tight end Is a dog like in not every good productive tight end is a dog. I we just Prefer it that way. Yeah, you want someone to mow someone over not meow someone on the ground so a big year like a Broken tackle the team has a take it easy targets and You know Smith will throw the football more than Justin Fields was throwing the football. Yeah, so from a PPR Dennis Pitta one hip quitter That's what I'm expecting yeah, I'm sin Taylor just catch the football when it's thrown to you Yeah, talk about talk about the PPR scam. Oh Shout out to the old timers on that one Um Joe Brady also said Dalton Kincaid may need to be managed throughout the 2020 what is wrong with your body season Yeah, Jason famously said that about CMC once upon a time. What is wrong with your body? But Dalton Kincaid enough enough years have gone by where he is just Just always hurt always he's either The 10 out of 10 hurt or five out of 10 the quotes are coming out saying yeah, we know next year. He's gonna be banged We haven't started playing this he's like yeah, we're gonna have to manage him You know about week three. We know we know we picked up the fifth year option, but we're gonna really take it easy Yeah, it's not great. I mean you you want somebody to be able to you be utilized more often This is the third time I've seen news about Jordan James Who that is it's a running back for the San Francisco 49ers. I don't know who has him in dynasty, but I when you Know legit when you picked him up. I was like I didn't realize he was out. Well, I he's only he was only out there Mike because I had drafted him and dropped you But this is Jordan James running back for the San Francisco 49ers He was hurt last year didn't have an opportunity to contribute. He appears to be the front runner to be the backup in 2026 which is a fun phrase He appears to be a front runner for the backup. Yes, well as in which is normally a role heavily utilized in San Francisco Yeah, you want to pay attention to whoever the clear backup is I mean it was We're just you know a couple years removed from When you thought it was gonna be Elijah Mitchell and That if you paid attention to I think Mitchell also got hurt But like even before his injury there was this these blurbs like this coming out of like the team has really gotten More and more secure with Jordan Mason being their guy. He was on waiver wire He was on ours. They like a good Jordan on that running waiver wire and then when McCaffrey wasn't playing Jordan Mason was great for San Francisco. So this is This is important. It's it it's more of like, okay. It's probably not Isaac Guerrero who I think up and You know with with Brian Robinson leaving you thought maybe it goes back to being Guerrero So it's just something to pay attention to right now. The the most smoke is in favor of George James And a spectacular quote from head coach Mike McCarthy of the Steelers This one on Caleb Johnson quote I am aware of their past experiences, but this is like a Catholic operation You say three Hail Marys and everybody has a clean slate and let's go to work I do find it haunting that he says he's aware of their past experiences. Yeah, as though the team has Like overt experience with Caleb, but he put the tape on he saw the couple snaps. Yeah. Yeah, so there you go Do you like the three Hail Mary approach to you want to my guy this dude? No, I literally don't know who this is Okay, I am never heard of this never heard of Kade Johnson deep-depth Yeah, I think you were saying it wrong club Johnson yeah Say more than three Hail Marys That's gonna take more than that That is it by way of news a reminder the NFL draft coming up later this month. We are into April We're gonna do some fun stuff around the draft by way of giveaways I think maybe some of those fantasy footballers signed card sets may make an appearance We've got autograph jerseys. We're gonna give away this month and some draft related stuff going on Obviously all of the dynasty pass and ultimate draft kit stuff can be found at ultimate draft kit Dot-com you want to dive in there and get prepped up. That's what this week is all about getting you ready for the draft Let's get into the rookies Well we talked quarterback and running backs on Tuesday's episode there's people out there that like Ty Simpson. Yeah, we did talk about Ty Simpson as well We talked through a handful of running backs Including Jardians or whatever you call him Jardians and Today it's it's exciting. We had to talk about the wide receiver position this year, which of all the groups I think we're most excited about yeah I mean this is every year you come into the draft and you get told for us that aren't you know We're not grinding college tape during the college season We come to this afterwards and we always it is clear and obvious going into each new cycle what position or positions where the You know where the fruit is in this class and this is a wide receiver heavy class. There are three Theoretical studs up top and kind of not necessarily an S tier like a Jamar chase, but but really high quality immediate fantasy impact players and then there are a whole lot of Quality NFL wide receivers now the question as to whether or not That type of player really makes an impact in fantasy or whether it's just great for the NFL And you know being able to have some capable receivers that'll be To be determined and we have all like on the last episode we mentioned it We're not going through with some consensus ranking today, right? No the order of the Operations of today the list of players will come from NFL mock draft database Which is we'll give them another shout out. It's a great site. You know you keep track of it's kind of like a a What's the word of not conglomerate, what am I thinking of rhinoceros don't help them. Yeah, is it rhinoceros? It's an elephant of a sight Man you did lead him to him you did He was going for aggregate. I thought I was rhinoceros where they get all the mock drafts in it It's like it is important information to see how people are trending like do guys come out of nowhere Because frequently when a player comes out of nowhere They stay there like they become something for a moment You know, oh, there's a reason you came out of nowhere because you didn't belong to be here Didn't belong to be here. Yes, they say I'm gonna mention some wide receiver needy opportunities teams with picks and the chance that they could go after some of the big names I just want to get your quick reaction to some of the potential destinations because we're gonna start putting you know These mock drafts they put names to teams and you know, obviously We know Mendoza's going to to the Raiders. They have Bowers and Gentie They've got the 36 pick in the Second round so really high pick in the second round. They've got a third round pick beyond that They need a wide receiver the jets drafting at two and 16. That's 33 and 44 It seems like one of these wide receivers is going there terribly scary and whoever is Whoever you don't like like the jets and the Browns are the two teams that desperately need wide receivers have a ton of Capital and will take a wide receiver. You're just hoping it's the Prospect you don't like yeah, well the jets the Browns and then Miami those are team Miami now having lost Tyree kill and Jalen Waddle and Darren Waller They have 11 30 43 and four third rounders Miami's gonna have multiple new wide receivers on this team And then other teams to watch out for what are the Saints do they've had to deal with a lot of his injuries over the year They definitely need somebody beyond him They have picks eight and forty two eight is a prime spot for maybe one of the big names Washington at seven Baltimore at 14 and 45 Maybe maybe less of an option there and then do the Giants try to add somebody You know, you talked about there. We talked about the running backs and the Giants probably not drafting a running back We don't think they'll draft a running back But five could be a prime spot or a place to trade down a little bit and grab a big name could be Mike, did you have a team or two that you think? Like are you super afraid of any of these? I mean the I think the The jets it's gonna be the usual suspects is the jets in the Browns that I think the if I'm trying to spin a Tail of glass half full for the jets it would be if your guy goes to the jets Just know next year. It will be a completely clean house in terms of the the coaching staff They'll probably have a top pick in a very quarterback friendly draft So maybe you you're gonna have to wait some time if one of the studs goes there But there is a chance it gets better in two years Now do the Browns. Oh Oh This year right now I can tell you that as of right now the only quarterback putting in the work is Shadour I Believe he changed his number There was a report from that Monk in has connected with what Watson they've talked a little bit Shadour is in the he's he's here every day. He's working and Dylan Gabriel is not here I What a small little blip that Because he knows he's like I'm not wasting my time I'm just gonna collect this check for the next couple years and then I will be gone as of right now on the Mock drafts database the rhinoceros site There are six wide receivers Currently slated in the first round six. Yeah, we're not getting six you could I Mean right now. I mean obviously when people are putting out their mock drafts sometimes the Skill position players get bumped up in there that they don't in the NFL But that's the point of like when looking at this year. I think I think Three are guaranteed and then I would say probably four or five at least one more after the big three Let's start there car nail Tate Jr. From Ohio State is the first name. We're gonna talk about six two one ninety two five Star recruit coming out of high school dynamic playmaker, you know when you look at him and like Mackay lemon You know, he has the size advantage Over Mackay lemon car nail Tate is number three on Jason's pre draft rookie rankings of wide receiver number two on Mike and I's The they're flipping all over the place. Honestly, these three guys for me. I've just And car nail Tate It's this one's pretty easy. He's from Ohio State. They have just been Blessing the NFL with very talented wide receivers even the ones we're like, hey Marvin Harris, Jr. It feels like a catastrophe his rookie year He had 800 yards and eight touchdowns like it didn't it hasn't worked for our purposes But for the NFL Ohio's is giving out awesome players. He will be the fifth consecutive Buckeye wide receiver drafted in round one and why receiver you and that will continue again next year so the He's a he's a he is a tremendous player the thing that's hard to reconcile for fantasy football is He wasn't a true Target dominator though the way that we have Like JSN's year before he got hurt like We want to see those types of things like we for a production profile threshold for the wide receiver position we want to see For a player who's gonna like truly dominate in the NFL You want to see about 31% of that teams receptions go to that player or more of course and And Tate was down at 21% for a player who's gonna go as early as he will I think that Tate will He will be the number or he'll be the first wide receiver that goes in this draft I don't know that he's the best for fantasy football purposes But it's a you have a concern that he'll come in and be Not a dominator at the NFL level When you when you're looking at these three players, which they're all they're all pretty different So it's kind of like you can kind of pick your your type Your arc type of player that you like because the way that carnell Tate plays and mcchire lemon plays they're very different but You know when you're trying to when you're picking at the top of your rookie draft and you're trying to make a decision other than Destination because all three of these guys are gonna have a very early first round draft capital It's you look and go man. Why? Why wasn't he commanding more receptions? This would be the lowest target per outrun percentage over the last decade for a top 10 pick if he goes in the top 10 And he's he's very he is a great player. Yeah, so the word I'm not trying to cast any shade or doubt upon him and his career for the NFL We're trying to sometimes find an advantage of these three players. Yeah, I've got him as my third of the big three Currently pre NFL draft. Obviously that you know can get shuffled around later, but it's not it's not saying he's not very good I love lad mcconkey coming out despite him having a bad production profile because you said well He was playing with Brock Bowers, right? This is that situation. He's playing with You know, we say we say that we say that this year doesn't have a Jamar Chase Doesn't have one of those like the elite of the elite Next year does yes, and he's currently playing on car now It's a great team. So you forgive some of that production. Yeah, one of the high-end comps that Kyle jotted down was the ball skills of T Higgins route running of Calvin Ridley The big question is can he be that alpha in the NFL? Is there a best fit from those teams been named earlier in your mind where you would get excited about carnal tape arriving in camp? Is it what if it was New Orleans? Let's put it that way. I'd be pretty excited eight for Tate Seems great. I Nice, I liked it. I yeah, I think the same section that could that could work out where Olav is You know can dominate some intermediate stuff and and have Tate come in and for at least for the team wise I was like you had Rashid Shaheed replace that type of a player You want him but as you want him to be better than Rashid Shaheed for fantasy football when you're spending the 102 to 104 on him. He is Matt with Tennessee Washington Cleveland so far Washington definitely needs another pass-catching option Yes, so then that would be that would be the most exciting spot for me He is most commonly mocked to the Browns at six Which I don't know if that'll happen or not, but okay that would stink Well, we're gonna take a quick break and come back talk more rookie wide receivers If you've ever run a business with a bloated CRM, you know how painful it is Digging through useless menus and features while deals slip through the cracks. 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Lemon 511 guys 511 he fits the smaller wide receiver profile that We've seen have more and more success at the end Jason's height No, we're not 511. No. Yeah, no, we are I'm so glad you I thought you I thought we locked this thing in he may never he's done He's done that was on the main show right that was on the main. I am five a height fight All right, so this is guys we went You were there with a tape measure she got off so here's the wall Here's what we have had to happen if you if you missed it I'm out of we were having a conversation feel it about you know guys that are six feet or taller and then guys who are 511 Frequently if you're 511 you'll just I'm six feet which I don't do because I'm fine Jason was declaring how proud he was to be In the crew say no, I am legit 511, but I don't round up I tell people on 511 and then we just kept going. I'm like Wait, Jay, are you actually five or is this just a reason has been getting us for years? with this whole Noble approach of not being six foot Immediately when you're like well, let's measure you did I hesitate? No, you had no great. Yeah, choose off. Let's go cuz I'm 511 We measured and it came out 510 and a half Little bit under a half Yeah, it more like 510 in a quarter. No, it was not 510 and 3 8 3 8. It's okay We can give them the half but that's I mean no we can round up to the house to round down. Oh, man This is ridiculous. I mean if you reshape your entire life with a 510 mentality. How does that go? Yeah, I'm shrinking. I'm shrinking guys. You know what you were five. I was 511. I'm shrinking okay, they're not making tape measures like they used to Or you're not marking the wall spot appropriately just in regulation square You could still move that up and down It was we got one of those things on the wall where we market every year, but over the last couple years. That's gone down Well Jason anyways me and I lemon yeah 511 he was a bullet in a coffee winner Massive production 1156 yards 11 touchdowns in his junior season He's awesome. I love dog mentality I Likes mackay lemon and I just I'm all in man. I think he is going to be great he Production dominator at USC. We love to see that across the board Ressards Receptions yards Touchdowns dominator rating and he's not just he's he's not just a slot wide receiver He can be he can play on the outside. He's just he's not a prototypical X But I think in today's NFL he can work very very well. He's very well rounded good route runner great hands tough as nails he's one of the I Feel like it's a much more rare trait to watch wide receivers that are hard to tackle You know, that's not even a skill set you need at wide receiver anymore Most of the time when you're hard to tackle it's because you're a you're gigantic You're right your DK Metcalfe or AJ Brown where it's like yeah, it's it's hard to attack I was my Kevin's yards after catch. Yeah, but that's not Maka'a lemon Maka'a lemon is 511 under 200 pounds and he's still just like he's Hitting people Not everybody is on run not everybody is golden tape. That would be the the hopeful comparisons Yes, it is Maka'a lemon the the one thing that kind of stands out to me that maybe has a little bit of concern You look at breakout age is something we pay attention to his was a little bit older which sucks for wide receivers That is a yeah, you know, I want to hear what I want to test the guy. Yeah Yeah, I mean the first round wide receiver since 2015 that have later breakout ages than lemon It's not a lot of them because his was pretty late, but it's cadarius Tony Okay, not great for a for a minute first round wide receiver Oh, these are all first round first round. Oh Calvin Benjamin Henry rugs The best two were waddle in I you yeah Benjamin rugs and Tony were the others Kelvin Benjamin had a great rookie year It's not a death now Of a step, but it is breakout age is extremely important for wide receivers When they when they break out later. It is usually red flag. However Even when we were scouting these players like cadarius Tony when he was driving the first round was like what what are you doing? He's not a first round talent Xavier Leggett his late breakout age He was 48 years old after going to school for 20 years It that that was another one that's like what? Mackay lemon is is better than those players coming out of college Yeah, I I don't know what to believe again It's gonna come down to these you know You take the talent and the output of these players at the collegiate level what teams believe about them and then do you Have a shot with some of these quarterbacks at the top of the draft, you know, Mackay lemon could be one of those guys I think that Maybe slips a little bit further Then some of these teams were most afraid of there were I think he might go in front of Tyson. Oh, he'll go I think he will go in front of Tyson. Yeah, we'll get into Tyson people have Concerns about injuries with Jordan Tyson the it was funny when the combine was happening and the interviews were going on If you don't remember or didn't see Mackay lemon had the weirdest interviews. Yeah, the weirdest press conference just looked weird acted weird bath salt level Yeah, I mean super weird and then maybe that's too much and then it don't think it's that much I know he wasn't running nude down the streets of Miami, but yet the There were reports coming out that some of the team interviews were like he bombed his interviews and That teams were like taking them off their board. So I don't know how truthful that is Yeah, I know it's like oh he bombed my interview. I would never draft him. You should never draft him He would you pick it? What's one of the points? I'm making though is like so most recent mock draft that I'm seeing right now That's carnal take going as the highest guy and it's Cleveland, right? It's always it's that's a lazy man But but then like what I'm saying about my Kylin and dipping is like okay 11 to Miami I really like that destination Miami whoever is drafted by them and they can take the pick They're walking in as the alpha. Mm-hmm. They just come in the front door as the alpha So 11 to Miami would be great in this case They had Jordan Tyson at 13 to the Rams that if you flip flop those let's say Miami fell in love with Jordan Tyson And then my Kylin is a ram like you're talking about a bright future if you if you go to one of those teams The Ram's are the Rams are where I've got him currently kind of penciled in 16 the Jets have the pick at 16 to which you know That might be their first offensive pick if one of those three guys is at 16. They're gone. That's an interesting Philosophical question of okay, so let's say lemon goes to the Rams and Tyson goes to Miami. You're like do you want a Immediate target share or eventual or do you want someone who is he is the wide receiver three at best For the entire of entirety of the year unless Devonte Adams gets hurt. Yeah, I mean that's a brutal one because Puka is gonna sign a long-term deal barring More bath salts for but I'm saying like this year. It will be Puka and Adams like Adams Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know for the team. Did you guys see the note? They? They like they were pretty open and I'm certainly about they were like well They might have traded him last year. They've they thought about it And then they changed their minds about trading who Adams what yeah They and then they were in on AJ Brown in discussions. They're in on all these draft opportunities There so you would have to wait on lemon to To be the the dominator Yeah, it's weird because they're the Rams are where you want to be and it seems like they have things figured out a wide receiver But it also they might not Because Adams is gonna be gone soon and Puka I Stay stay with us. I view the Rams as a good destination Hook me up with Sean McVeigh. Yeah, and I know you're gonna have a top half offense moving coffee So that's that's a win to me Jordan Tyson He is my number one wide receiver Breakout age was 18 he's 6 2 2 0 3 he is Dealt with injuries, I mean last year he only played in nine games at ASU dealt with injuries the year before and missed I believe the Texas If not the entire game he missed I think he missed the entire game against Texas in the In the college football playoff that went down to the wire that Scataboo took over To me he's he's the most versatile and skilled wide receiver of this class I've got to watch more of him than I have the other guys over the last few years But like I said, he was 1110 as a junior injured last year played nine games 7-11 and eight To me he has it he has the type of it factor that I saw from Justin Jefferson Immediately in terms of his body moves differently than other wide receivers. Oh his body control is Awesome for a guy his size when you're 6 to 200 pounds and you can do in the air what he does. It's Just a thing of beauty He's all three of our wide receiver one He is you know third on this list today because he's usually not the number one being drafted Coming at it from a fantasy football perspective It's tough to know for sure if carnell tape can be the true alpha target Shared dominator in the NFL since he wasn't on his team in college But Jordan Tyson was his team's alpha and he should be drafted to be that type of player A bigger guy that can be used around the end zone and can have a you know a 28 percent target share in the NFL So that projection is probably why I'm guessing all three of us have him currently listed as the wide receiver one But he's not without concerns. He did not have a lot of missed tackles forced His and the injury history is the injury history contested catches is not an Area he particularly like he's not elite at that and you know he's six to 200 which I You at six to you wanted to put on a little bit more weight, which he I mean he definitely can He's mean tates listed six to 192 Right. Yeah, both of those guys. I'm saying like a few and and Tyson though when it comes to like press coverage He he's wild man because he can off the line He has some some particular moves off the line where he just makes defenders look ridiculous as they end up in a different area Code and he ends up wide open But if they can get their hands on him It can be tougher for Tyson. So he needs to he needs to improve at things But I Jason you said it well, we're looking from fantasy football if all three of these guys hit I think Tyson's archetype is the is the biggest hit for fantasy. That's About where I'm at. I mean CD lamb vibes a little bit Devonte Smith, but with 30 more pounds vibes a little bit He's very slippery. I mean, I think that's the way that I I watched a lot of his routes at ASU And it was like getting in and out of breaks in a different way than other receivers do it So whether those injury fears impact draft class, I mean that mock draft I just looked at it was Tyson to the Rams. It was the good destination that Jason talked about so Those are the big three names that we know are going within probably the first 15 picks of this draft Yeah, I mean once you get past the top 15 They will be saying on the broadcast that this player is slipping and he's a good value as the highest player left on the board type of If any of those three you're saying yeah Who's our next name Omar Cooper, Jr. Yep. All right, Jr. Out of Indiana So Mendoza national title winning wide receiver Talk to me about the things you like you saw from him 13 touchdowns during that run to the championship Under a thousand yards. So his yards per catch a little lower than the couple of the guys above but Great at force miss tackles. Yeah, that's that's just the calling card. He's I mean, he's he's good against zone coverage and He's a you know, when he when you get the ball in his hands, he He like he makes he can make people miss he can absorb contact like he is a very He's a very solid player in he But that's that's my question for him is is will he just be solid because when you're when you're that type of player You know the the the comps that people are throwing up for Omar of like the hope is like a debo Mm-hmm, but putting the name on of debo Samuel on anyone is just unfair. It yes It's it's not a fair expectation because what about DJ more I Think that's the that is the actual hope of play style that I think he could get to he is not as good a water receiver Yes, he's not as good a wide receiver coming out as DJ more was you can I actually think Luther Burton is a pretty good comp because when I watch Luther Burton what was so awesome about Luther Burton was Once he had the ball in his hands. He was absolutely electric and I wasn't as confident in his full You know route tree and and just the actual wide receiver package coming out of college That's kind of how I feel about Omar Cooper, Jr. You watch this last year and they were like we've got to get the ball in this Guys hands and so so many of his plays 28% screens were screens But 28% were screens. There were so many plays that were Three four yards down the field where it's like you act like you're running a nine and then stop and I don't know if those go in Yeah, 70% out route. Yeah, yeah, so between the two you're you're up over four in the That concerns me for is he ready to come in as a fully developed perfect wide receiver? Daniel Jeremiah has him as his 18th ranked Player overall that is above Jordan Tyson at 21 right now So he loves him and I will say there is a lot to like about him Personally, I've got a few worries simply because of how much of it was just kind of manufactured touches versus him Getting open creating separation was like all deep or short and I like the middle of the field stuff If you're going to really dominate in the NFL, you've got to be a possession guy That's going 15 yards down the field getting open and catching that and that's just not where it's not saying he can't do it But he didn't do that as much he has he's one of the later risers and I think there was some questions about is he Gonna go into the draft. I can't remember exactly what happened there, but he He was trending as a third round pick an on mock draft database in January And now he's up into like near the middle of the first round. Oh my Cooper has been flying high in mock drafts and and big boards and those type of things he is certainly Yeah, I wonder if trending up or the mock drafters got some info I I like when I watch and this isn't anything against Omar Cooper, Jr. But Elijah Sarat, I I liked him better. Really? Yeah, I mean, so that's that's his teammate there I like his path better Kind of got significantly better every year and dominated and transferred and transferred to To just prove he could do it and then win the national championship this guy loyal great. He was Indiana the entire Way, but it it felt like it took him a long time to be relevant He was 961 and 13 last year, but 10 Catches 207 and 4 came in one game against Indiana State, which jettisoned all those numbers northward We'll take a break and we'll get into some more names If you've ever run a business with a bloated CRM, you know how painful it is Digging through useless menus and features while deals slip through the cracks. 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That's pipe drive comm forward slash audio It's time to talk about Denzel Boston Six four two twelve Denzel Boston out of Washington You know Four years in Washington, so we were going back to back loyal wide receivers here Dominated man coverage, I believe the majority of his touchdowns came in that Environment, but what were your reactions to the tape on Denzel Boston another name we've seen go very very high in mock drafts I am terrified of Denzel Boston Because he is in the arc type of a player that I don't like. Yeah, I am in the exact same boat really Yeah, we have we have not talked about this He is the type of player who that that type your success in college comes from this from being a bully I mean he's being human he's a big dude. Yeah, and there's But you're a big dude You're the you're the BM OC and then you go to the NFL and you are no longer the big man on campus Everyone is bigger than you. I don't I'm not I don't gravitate towards that type of a player and yet I really like Denzel Boston. I It I brought it up on the the Dynasty show J But it's like your quote of talking about Xavier Leguette of like it's not gonna work Don't don't pick him, but I'm gonna do it. Yeah, that's how I feel about Denzel Boston of like of my the my historical avoidance of these players has Led me in the correct path most of the time, but I'm very drawn in to his play style. Yeah I mean he's tall and he's tall and he's skinny. He had some incredible games dominated some games Unfortunately, I felt like he just disappeared sometimes You know, I didn't go game by game to see the reasons why on on whether they were winning or losing or up or down As I'm grinding the film But I would agree with you that the archetype doesn't usually work. He is going to be highly drafted. He's going to be a first round pick You may tell you a team Yeah, I'll give you a couple teams to connect to the dots with Omar Cooper and And with Omar or Denzel well both I'm gonna give you one for both just Sometimes it just helps to put some teams to the name Omar Cooper in this last mock I'm looking at went 26 to the Buffalo Bills. No and Denzel Boston went 27 the next pick to the San Francisco 49ers Oh, man, I would Oh, man, I would love the second. I would actually not like the first that much I just feel like I don't know I'm gonna call it a little skier. It's why it's funny cuz Cooper You're like, oh, he reminds you DJ more. So let's play with together the the broad the Buffalo Bills is the siren that will always steer Our fantasy ships into the rocks There's it's not gonna happen. Yeah, well, they don't need to lean on one dude, right? That's the thing you can be worthy of it there and they don't do it but but Boston He he's met with San Francisco by the way the his production profile is is solid Especially because of touchdowns just a dominator there But it's just can it can it translate to the next level and his athletic testing Which we don't get carried away with athletic testing. It's fun when it's awesome, but his was Pretty poor for a player that's gonna be drafted in the probably drafted in the first round shall we move on? Yeah, Casey concept she own now. We're talking Say an M which is an ATM machine problem here because KC is just his initials So the C is conception In the case in the case you want to point this out off the jump Yeah, so we need to get it because his name is Kevin conception Concepts young. Yes, KC case KC Yeah, Casey case. Yeah, it's like automatic teller machine machine. Yes Time 40 hits This last mock I'm looking at has him going at 24 to your Cleveland Browns Kyle loves him. Yeah, I'm saying M 6 foot 196 Twitchiness galore he so he more reminds me of burden if we're making that comp of like he is just he gets open he Like he he's handling press covered pretty well. He is just an absolute menace and But also a menace or his hands as He drops a lot of passes he has You know we've you see it every once in a while Just like the player who they can make the most redonkulous highlight difficult level catch You're like, that's incredible. That's the top and easy one and then the wide open layup pink right off the hands So he he needs to get that under control drops if you Like it have him applying fantasy football for a long time drops. Honestly are not a huge It's not a really big like Mike Evans has had drop problems in his Hall of Fame level career So I'm not overly concerned about it. What is it? What? Yeah, I'm in raw I mean, I'm in raw led the NFL and drops this year You can also drop more passes when you're getting targeted up Establish yourself you can get away with it. Um, but but I really I If it weren't for the drop problems Like I would be I might have him in my top three. I think he is great Yeah, I mean you you just alluded to it drops really shouldn't be That big of a deal there there's something that is not a super sticky They're concentration drops of maybe a coach can get about it Yeah, I mean the opposite of Omar Cooper here This is a guy that I feel like I did see in the middle of the field a lot I saw him, you know, oh, yeah, much more complete return on yeah I've used on special teams a lot which we love when someone is used on special teams It shows that the coaching staff is like they really need to have this player on The field in space because people can't get him. He's not a universal first-round pick and mocks I mean, I've seen a lot of them where he's just on the outskirts of the first round first five picks of the second round Our team's gonna view him as a starting outside wide receiver Are they gonna view him as somebody that comes in? The best comparison I can make us is the way teams can use Rashid Shaheed. We're like, you know that guy's amazing But you're also more gadget. You're more special teams. You're not necessarily looked on and relied upon to be your every down Star I guess I'm just curious. Yes He's got to find the right connection with a team that believes in him for fantasy purposes to take the next I think we're gonna find a Lot of the same going forward now that we're past the top three guys, which is essentially this is a good wide receiver Whether he is a fantasy star. It's like a lot of these guys. You're hoping for a Christian Kirk not type of fantasy career where it's a Christian Kirk has done really important things in fantasy He's been a top 24 wide receiver. I think he was a top 12 wide receiver one year, which we forget I think so But he doesn't feel like it because he's never really was Jacksonville that's right. So That's like always my comp. He was a sleeper in the UDK that year What is tell me more about this UDK, what does that stand for? It's an ultimate draft kit that sounds like the ultimate draft kit you should get it at ultimate draft kit calm, but I Think Casey Concepcion is a very good wide receiver on Kevin if you want But he doesn't he wants to be Casey does he want to be Casey or is Casey? Do we have to add on the conception to make sure everyone knows that we're talking about it? Oh, you're saying you can either go Can we just go Casey you can go Kevin Concepcion? What if the chiefs draft them? I don't want to not See Casey Concepcion, okay? Pitman and Pittsburgh Last four mock drafts destinations Cleveland Cleveland Buffalo, Miami at 30. Oh Miami would be perfect Cleveland is going away Cleveland's gonna ruin someone. This is where away. This is what I'm saying. You just hope like Malachi Fields Yeah, he's perfect. Take him. Yeah, perfect He's that archetype where he just he's bigger bully Paul Got older than all the little kids and bigger than all the little kids and just dominated And it probably won't work in the NFL. And so it's like that look Cleveland. He's awesome They have a lot of fields in Ohio too. Yeah, you know what I mean perfect You got to have the name match where you're going nowadays nowadays is the only way to succeed. All right We'll move on we got a couple of tight ends to talk about so let me ask you this first though There's a lot of other wide receiver names. We obviously were not exhaustive if you want to get into more names You can listen to the dynasty show to get deeper Chris Brazil Chris Bell Jeremy Bernard out of Alabama Who's on the other end of a lot of Ty Simpson success Malachi Fields Zach Branch? Is there somebody you're in love with it's I really I really do like Elijah Sirot Okay, that's the the teammate. You know what I called him. No, I said it was the sriracha Sriracha sauce. Yeah, baby. I promise he's never heard that. No That's all you Mike that that is that is really good I think he's good Jeremy Bernard the wide receiver from Alabama is another one of those real solid You know quality receivers that you're like probably not a fantasy star But but we'll be fantasy relevant and those are all names like every name I just said including Sirot Skyler Bell Ted Hearst. They're all in the top like 82 projected picks Yeah, and that's great is very capital. That's a team being invested saying we are Having this player on the field from the beginning and and the truth is most of these players are Legitimately good enough to be drafted there and be solid wide receiver twos in the NFL and hopefully wide receiver 3 plus in fantasy football last name, I'll just throw out Zachariah Branch is a Very interesting the screen god. Yeah He was like 50% of his targets are at the line of scrimmage. This this was like no, thank you. Yeah, no, it's it's it's bad He has absurd acceleration his his it's you know kind of like You don't want to you whisper the Tyree kill right because he's not he's not as he's smaller Then than Tyree, but it's got that same level of like crazy instant instant acceleration So he will be very interesting. I'm curious where he goes and people are Very very very high on him and very very very out on him. All right. We got to talk tight ends guys We've got two names to bring up Some teams looking for the tight end position Miami. They're looking for everything and they've got every pick Tampa Bay, maybe Carolina the Eagles We'll see but let's talk about the cream of the crop Kenyan Sadiq junior out of Oregon Just unbelievable ran a 4 3 9 at 6 3 2 41 She let that sit Dude, I don't What do we do with this guy? You're talking about how he only had 560 yards. Yes like this is not This isn't Kyle pits Production wise right this this is a Kyle pits athlete who 6 3 2 40 which 240 is actually I mean the savior production for the NFL That's what I say. It's a little lighter, but you he ran a 4 3 9 He is that's not physical freak a lot of nature a physical freak you're talking Not like he's he's better than all the other athletes and He's going to be a top 15 pick in the NFL draft that alone is kind of all you need to know when you actually Dig deeper and try to judge and find the yellow and red flags you go. Okay. Well, he wasn't you go You don't have to dig very deep. No, it's right there 560 yards his production profile is not like a lot of previous Top end prospects from recent years Brock bowers Kyle pits those guys So it'll be interesting where he goes will make a difference as to the the target pecking order that he can find himself I got a team for you. All right, who the last four mocks. I've looked at All the same spot Why don't you tell us the spot Tampa Bay at 15 In three in the three of the last four and then one of them had Carolina at 19 Tampa Bay seems like the the the most I'm not excited spot possible because he can go there and make big important plays on a regular basis And not necessarily be big for a fantasy when they have the depth that they have at the right receiver position the re-signing of Kate Auden what role is that player going to have it just screams 400 yards and five touchdowns type of rookie season Carolina you start to get a little bit more interested personally because Man, Ted McMillan was was really all alone in a lot of respects last year. They have some talent at wide receiver beyond him But That's where you're kind of seeing you're not seeing top 10 mock picks Recently as much as you were maybe a month ago Do you think he ends up in the top 10? No, I think he's a middle of the I He'll be 11 to 20 that range. I think in the draft He's a very good prospect You don't watch him and say that he did anything wrong if he did anything wrong Maybe he blocks too well for us in fantasy football, but he's it's funny because I 23 to the Eagles I Do that as well. I genuinely want yeah, I've seen him to the Rams as well If the Eagles Jettison AJ Brown, you need another weapon I Like I I want stowers More than I don't want to say that out loud I am so I'm getting close to that. So so Sadiq Will be the only first round or other first-round tight ends with a lower Dominator rating the 21% a dominator rating is a combination of the teams receiving yards and the teams receiving touchdowns and it is a It's a pretty strong indicator Hence them calling it the dominator rating But the only guys with a with a lower than 21% you have OJ Howard That did not work out you have Hayden Hurst That for fantasy purposes that did not work out and then Kenyon Sadiq will join that list and so there He is so Realizing of what he could become if Kenyon Sadiq hits and everything clicks and he works in the NFL He can dominate. Yeah, but I He's gonna be just struggle to see it happening Yeah, and that's the toughest part about any of these rookie tight ends We've obviously had massive production from rookie tight ends for years. Yeah The toughest part is like when you're drafted this high It comes with a lot of expectation and a lot of game planning for you to be part of an offense Like these guys are gonna have opportunities whether they capitalize on it whether it's as much as we want that's still in question The second tight end off the board to talk about is Eli Eli Stowers. Yeah, who the stour of power? I mean the majority of mock drafts the vast majority of mock drafts with Stowers have one destination in mind Give it to me the Denver Broncos. Oh Yeah, oh That's a Joker that's a joke. He what he went to college to play quarterback guys Okay, and then switch a roux jokes on you. He's met with the tight end now Let me let me give you the number 765 yards and four touchdowns last year. He is 64239 23 years old out of Vanderbilt And he's a he's a wide receiver. I mean, he's a slaw wide receiver. He he's a route runner He is a weapon for fantasy football. This is why I like him better He's not gonna be this guy that is constantly in line blocking He's going to be used to catch the ball down the field and be a large target That's what you want in fantasy football He was the John Mackie award winner you look back at the last couple years That's been pretty good Tyler Warren Brock Bowers Brock Bowers Trey McBride Stowers is also while his 40 did not come off You know as as not Kenyon Siddiq is 49 Siddiq Because he was sub 4-4 at his size, which is outrageous and unheard of I mean There's been very few people in the history that NFL that have done that he got all the pub But Stowers might have had the better combine right? He ran a faster 40 than carnell Tate did Yeah, he's like ours was at 451 Tate was at 453. This is what you said is his speed score is out raised I think he What Kyle maybe you know this one? I think he put up the second highest vert If Stowers goes to Denver the combine if Stowers goes to Denver I'm I'm gonna try really hard to drape on X this year because the addition of waddle and stowers with what they had on that offense That seems really excited Come on guys. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no your first button was correct Man, you're like You showed your 510 and that button pushing 9 1⁄2 Let's not keep around it. Okay, so back to back without right now So Stowers that was the best buy a tight end at the combine since 2003 2003 yeah 43 and a half inch version and yet Siddiq's gonna go ahead of him. I mean it's going to happen Also, I mean because the ceiling for a player without athleticism and Siddiq you can talk about the production the ceiling for a player like that people They're gonna look at that and It's gonna be pretty overwhelming It's and the stowers is still learning the position like he went to college as a quarterback And then you know who else switched from quarterback to tight end Travis Kelsey. Oh Yeah So Who's the quarterback for the Cardinals that switched? Oh That turned into Yeah, Logan Thomas just too late if he did it earlier Seriously, he was actually he had a perfectly fine career as a tight as a tight end. Yeah Yeah, I mean as Stowers is a very impressive player Yes, I think you you're gonna have I mean I hope we're talking about both guys in terms of fantasy rookie production I think we welcome all tight ends to the table in terms of contributing on fantasy football teams, so You know some of the high-end comps Mike Gisicki Evan Ingram You know, he's not a blocker right now like you said he's still evolving into the position that can be an advantage It could be a disadvantage, right? It just depends on the scheme fit that you find at the NFL level But if he goes at the end of the first round, you know a team is drafting him understanding what his strengths are and you hope like someone like Sean Hayden puts him into a great position I mean if there are teams that need wide receivers who the draft might just not fall that way take the Saints, right? That let's say they don't use the number eight pick overall in the first round on a wide receiver even though they need one and most of the other guys that they would get are gone before their second round pick They've got a high second round pick if that if if they draft him and don't get another wide receiver That's like the type of landing spot where you come in and you can be the number two target in an offense and teams can draft this guy Because they were going after a wide receiver the other one like they might just slot him in Amongst their past catching targets and say he's the fourth best wide receiver All right, that is gonna wrap up today's episode of this show talking wide receivers and tight ends if you enjoyed it And you want to listen to our conversations on the rookie quarterback prospects the running back prospects We covered all of that on the Tuesday episode of the fantasy footballers You can click back on that episode and listen through next week. 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