🚨 SUMMER HOUSE Season 10 Premiere!! +RHOP Karen Interview!

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To me, Danny Pellegrino, that was of course, Countess Leigh Ann Della Seps, recording star, a touring artist. She's going to be in a new show on E! called Golden Life. That's right, it's going to be a series set in Florida with Ramona, Leigh Ann, Kelly, Sonya, and Jill, the five women, five of the sort of OGs of the Real Houses in New York. They're going to be shooting them in Florida. I'm, look, the news came out. Anna, you would expect me to be so excited about this, right? I mean, I love the original Rony. I was devastated when they rebooted the original Rony, and I've been calling for them to get back to television in some way, shape, or form. But what I wanted was them to go back on Bravo. This new show is going to be on E! and no offense to E! but I thought they were a sink and ship. Now, NBC, sorry to say, they're never going to hire me again. But it's like, NBC Universal used to own E! and then they basically sold off E! because it was a big flop and network. They cancelled E! news. Nobody watches none of that shit anymore. And when is the last time that E! has done a good reality show? I guess people do like House of Villains. I gotta give them that. They got that show House of Villains. But I'm not really sure there's been much else on E! and this is a production company that the Rony women are working with that, unfortunately, I just don't watch any of their shows. I'm a little concerned because it's not a Bravo production company. And one of the things that I think we underestimate is how much the Bravo producers, editors, the Bravo machine is well oiled. And so there's this thing called the Bravo Wink. And to me, that was the greatness of the original Rony, was how funny it was. And it was funny not just because of these wacky, kooky women, but also because of that Bravo Wink. The editors had a way of pointing out things, making fun of them, laughing so that the audience we could laugh at them as well as with them. And so that's my concern about this new one. Also we don't have Derrinda, which I'm assuming is because she's doing that Bluestone Manor spinoff that was announced a while ago on the actual Bravo network. And so I would assume that Derrinda just has her deal with Bravo. And although E! and Bravo used to be owned by NBCUniversal, NBC sold off E! So it is separate, although I think there's maybe still some overlap or something. So I don't know how Bravo is if they're pissed at these women for doing this or what. Furthermore, I don't know that I need to see them in Florida. Do I? I don't think so. I just don't. And so I feel unexcited about this whole thing. And I'm not sure I feel bad saying that because I don't want to yuck anyone's yum, but I don't know, I guess that's not my problem. It's your problem. Because I'm not very excited about this whole thing. The casting to me, of course I'd love to see Louie and Bopin around town going on dates and stuff. In the announcement, I was reading the variety and the senior VP of development said this about the show, said it's different in the sense that they really know each other really well. They've spent a lot of time together, but they're still fabulous as ever. It's not really your flipping table kind of show. It's more of like a majeure table kind of show. They haven't slowed down and they're not really wives anymore. The majority of them are single. That was a quote from the development person about this new show. So they're saying it's not going to be a table flipping type of show, but it's going to be a majeure kind of show. That's why I think I'm going to have to disengage. I'm sorry. The fact is I don't want to watch Jill Zarin play majeure in Florida. I just don't. Does anybody? Is anybody itching to see Jill Zarin and Kelly Bensimone play majeure in Florida? Come on. So it's like, what are we doing here? Everyone needs to get it together. They need to figure it out. That is, that's not what people have been saying they want. We want a show on Bravo with the Rony women, with the Bravo production companies where they're flipping fucking tables. Not where they're playing majeure. I'm going to watch Ramona Singer play majeure in Florida. Absolutely not. Now, will I probably watch it? Of course. Of course I will. You know, I can't help it. I'll watch it until the day is long. I mean, but it's just not exactly what I want. And so I feel like they were expecting all of us to be so excited about it. Am I the only one? I hate to yuck, everyone's young. People are probably going to be mad at me. They're going to say, I'm excited about Danny. Why are you being such a negative Nancy? Oh, well, maybe I'm being negative because the world's on fire. Moving on. Um, we got to talk about a summer house this week. It's a summer house premiere. I'm diving into summer house this season. We're going to be covering an everything iconic. I cannot wait. I thought the premiere was fantastic. Also the real house of Tomic aired a sit down with Karen Huger, which we're going to get into later. We'll get to it. But summer house, you guys, I loved it. I loved it. I was a little skeptical about the season of summer house because I just thought we lose page and I think page is a star. I've always thought page was a star. And so I worried about the fact that we weren't going to have page on the show this season. Then, uh, they were bringing all these new people. I saw so many newbies in the cast photo and I thought, who are, who are all these people that we're having to get to know? And yet the premiere delivered. So I'm going to play a little clip from the episode and then we're going to get into it. It's upon a time. I thought like you fall in love and when you choose the person that you want to get married to, you're happy and then you have kids and then things get difficult. I just am like worried for you because you didn't sign up to be with a DJ. No, I didn't think it would be this hard in the first few years. Like this is not where I thought my life would be right now. I got chills. I got chills. There were so many scenes in this episode where I got the chills and I was expecting them to save a lot of the Samantha Collins stuff for the show. I mean, we've talked to ad nauseam on this podcast about how at BravoCon, they were sort of lying about the relationship and then it came out that they finally are separated. And now we're seeing on the show, the separation sort of play out from the beginning. And I was worried it was going to all feel too manufactured or something or too fakie. But then this season premiere episode, it all felt very natural. And even the way that they were talking about like the page six of it all, and there was a story that went in page six. And then Amanda was saying also she feels like the internet roots first. She goes online. She sees things online. I've seen it. Yeah. That's pretty powerful. She sees it online and it's really powerful because it impacts her. She wonders is she feeling this way about Kyle because she feels this way about Kyle or because the internet's running against them. And that was all very fascinating to me. And then the fact that he's DJ now, he's out a hundred nights a week. He said at one point in his professional like he from January to June hadn't really seen Amanda because he'd been out every night DJing. And I have so many questions about this because we've for years seen Kyle being a workaholic with Loverboy and putting this all into Loverboy. And now I'm like, well, are you just giving up Loverboy or did he, did he want to sell Loverboy off and then just didn't, did he say that in that episode? I feel like Amanda talked about that. But I don't understand exactly what's happening with Loverboy because there's no way nobody could, especially a 45 year old man, could be going out every night DJing till the wee hours of the morning and then getting up the next day to work a full, run a business, run a company as big as Loverboy. So either somebody else must be running it or he's just completely stepped aside from it or is just letting it go under and having his midlife crisis so he could go do DJ work. But all of it's quite absurd to me because again, I've never really seen Kyle as somebody who was like so musically talented. I know on Summerhouse throughout the years, he's gotten a speaker out and played music for the people in the house. But I never looked at him and like, oh, he's a, I don't know, a DJ that's in his heart and soul as a DJ. I thought he was an entrepreneur. That's how he always presented himself since we first met him and he told Stasi she looked like Steve Jobs in the hot tub and the Vanderpump rules episode before they spun off into Summerhouse. So in what world now is Kyle just going to all these colleges to, I don't trust a 45 year old man going to college campus regularly. No, no. Unless you're taking your kids there for parent weekend. I don't think that you need to be hanging out at college campus. Kyle Cook, you're married. What are you doing? And maybe that's a little square of me or whatever, but like get your act together. You are 40 something your old man who's married and your wife is saying she wants you to come home and instead you're going to college campuses. Nothing good has happened. College students are out drinking and having fun in their single and sleeping with each other as they should be God bless. But the things that the college students are doing are not what you should be doing as a married man whose wife wants you to stay home at night. And so it's truly absurd to me. And then of course in the previous we see Amanda say that Kyle fell asleep at some fan's house. So it's like so fucking shocking to me. And they even said the new, there were two new people that said something about. Kyle's going through this midlife crisis. And they said, one of them said their dad at 45 got a bunch of motorcycles and she said her dad. So she's saying her dad is the same age as. Why is one of the cast members the same age as why is one of the cast members that could be Kyle's daughter? Like that's fucking nuts. She said that anyway, let's back up. We do see Sierra and Amanda driving in the house separately. West is coming with his new friend KJ who's a skateboarder slash model. They use the term model very loosely on this show. I've noticed this throughout the years and a lot of the reality TV, I'm, I'm on to them. It's not just on the show. It's on all the shows. Everybody's a fucking model. They say model slash entrepreneur. You watch the bad shirt and it's like, they're all a model and it's like, not everybody's a model. And we need to stop using this as a job title. Like let's use anything else. Like just put, we do even need a job title. Can it just put underneath them like KJ's, Sassy, town gossip or something? Like, does it have to be a job title? Can't we just say a descriptive word? Like, why do we have to make up job titles now? Like we've gone past this is the year 2026. I don't need reality TV shows pretending somebody's got a profession that they don't have because no offense to KJ. He's very handsome man. And same with that Ben's very handsome man. But do I look at either of them in the same category as like an elite model? Absolutely not. That's not to say they don't, haven't done a catalog or two, but who amongst us has in a post for a catalog or two? And a Sears, you know, like, what, what are we doing? We're always having to make up these. I actually never did post for a Sears catalog, but the truth is they are just using that title willy nilly. And they've got to stop it because that man again, very handsome man, but they could have just used skateboarder. It's like model slash skateboarder. And I like this KJ. He's also from Missouri, Midwest, which is also where West is from. And this guy KJ, he said something in his confession like he is attracted to mean people because he's from the Midwest and everybody's so nice there. And I totally relate to that. Cause most of my friends and that's probably why I like Brownboat too. It was like most of my friends, a lot of my close friends in real life, they have that sort of bite that I don't have. Do you know what I'm saying? And my mom is like this too. My mom, one of some of her best friends. It's like, they're like the, I mentioned gossip, like the town gossip and my mom's like the nice sweet one. And I think you kind of have opposites attract. You need someone to bring out you out of your shell. And so I've always been attracted to those kind of people who are a little more blunt, a little more, a little more of a Scorpio energy to bring you out of your shell. Because otherwise the people, Midwest people can be a little too nice sometimes, I think. And so I related to KJ on that. When West picks up KJ though, he says, the girls are known for staying in bed. That's the girls in the house are known for staying in bed. Now Carl's single this season. I've been tough on Carl and I'm rooting for Carl. I am. He's single. He wants a new room. This, I think that's, that's my goal for this season. I'm going to root for Carl. I think I'm going to try. He showed up. There was one moment at the party later in the episode where he was just wearing like short gene cutoffs, a bandana around his neck and a cowboy hat and never look gay. And I was like, I'm rooting for Carl this season. God bless. I love him. I'm loving him. I'm going to, I'm going to, that's my goal is to just get behind Carl. And also in the preview, he seems like he's calling out Kyle and he did it in the episode too. So I'm like, I'm a Carl stay on the season. Suddenly I am. Um, then we have a, okay. So I mentioned there's some new gals Sierra and Amanda pick up Bailey. Who's a host slash influencer, which is a concern to me. I'm, I think I'm going to have to disengage. I don't like a reality star who's an noted influencer and even Levi, Levi, Levi, she says she's an event planner, which is basically, it's sort of like an influencer. Like, I think they didn't want to put influencer, but like, and so it just worries me about being on a reality show because I'm like, what is this reality you're going to be offering? And Levi also always had the sweater draped over her shoulders, which I was kind of making me laugh. Like even she got to the pool, she was at the pool on the summer house when they got, when they arrived and she just had that. The sweater draped over her shoulders. And in my mind is like, she's new to reality TV and being on camera. And she like, got a look that she liked, you know, she prepared to put the, the sweater draped over her shoulders. And so she was probably stressed out thinking like, do I take it off at the pool? I mean, that's how I would do it. I'd be like, oh, I figured out this look that I like. I took photos in it. That's, this is the first thing I'm going to wear on camera on this TV show that I got cast on. And then you commit to it and then you can't take it off. So I'm like wondering when is Levi going to take off this sweater that's draped over her shoulders? But she did ultimately at the party take it off and she put on a corn hat. Question mark. Anyway, Levi and Bailey met on Instagram. I'm concerned about these two, the newbies. I don't think they work out. I mean, summer house, here's the problem with summer house casting. Is they cast the women to be, how do I put this? They don't cast the women to be friends with the other women. So what I would do if I was casting summer house and I was trying to get some new gals on the show, I would cast them around Sierra and Amanda. So I would cast their natural friends or people that they would naturally be friends with. Like instead, it seems like they cast these women as like young singles to be hooking up with other people. And it seems like there's other new young single women coming in. And I think it would have, there'd be a more authentic connection and also a deeper connection. And maybe you would, would enhance the drama as well. If we had women who were genuinely friends with the other women instead of casting them to be like romantic foils for West and Jesse or whoever. And that's how I feel like they're casting. And I'm like, they should have cast people that were friends with Sierra and Amanda instead of these two who met on Instagram, who seem like they have actually no connection to Amanda and Sierra. And you know, they're, I think Amanda was pretending like she met one of them, but it's like, they didn't know any, they were cast. I think production set them up with like a lunch meeting before they started filming. That's my guess. But in the car, Amanda says that we've been married four years, her and Kyle, and he just started DJing. And that's when Bailey brings up her dad by like 15 motorcycles at 45, which is again, the age that Kyle is. So I think Bailey, one of them is like 27, 28. So how old does that mean? What was her dad was 45? She said in the car. So would she, would dad have a 17 or something? I don't know. Not that I'm here to judge that, but it just does seem crazy that one of them could be Kyle's daughter. Okay. So then what else we have going on? They fixed the door at the summer house. Carl arrives in that cowboy hat I mentioned, and he wants the fuck room. He's like, maybe I'll go in the basement. He just wants to change a scenery. And I'm proud of him for that. Kyle and Amanda get the primary bedroom again. Carl's also a marathon runner. And this is as much as I want to defend Carl. I do have to drag him for at least 45 minutes. So pull up for driving because he marathon runners and I hate to say this and God bless anyone that's, that's honestly, like such a huge feat. And if I ever ran a marathon, believe you me, I'd come on this fucking microphone and I would tell you all about it every, every five fucking seconds. You want to be able to skip ahead without me mentioning how I ran a marathon again, because it is hard as fuck. But one of the issues with anybody who runs a marathon is all they talk about is the marathon. And the truth is nobody actually cares if you ran a marathon or a 5k or anything. Like nobody, like people can be proud of you, but it's like a one quick, like if I find out a friend ran a marathon, it's like a quick register in my head. Like, oh, good job. That's amazing. But that's as much as anybody cares about it. It's like that quick little mention that we've had enough and nobody gives a fine fuck. So the issue is that people who do run the marathons. We remember this on the real estate in New York. I think that was Carol's downfall because unfortunately towards the end of Carol's run, she had this big feud with Bethany and everybody, if you remember, at that time in retrospect, I think people are more on Carol's side. But at the time, everybody sided with Bethany over Carol, even the network. Andy, everybody sided with Carol. I didn't. And if you go back and listen to those episodes, you know that I was team Carol all the way. So I just would like to point that out. And I got a lot of messages. This was very early on in the podcast and people did call me gaslers in my DMs because I was defending Carol over Bethany. And now the tables have turned and it seems like people have come around to, to team Carol. But at the time, I think that was Carol's downfall because she had that one season where she was talking about her marathon every fucking episode. And it was in her tagline. It was like in the marathon of life. And I think that turned everybody on Carol because nobody likes to hear about somebody doing a marathon. Nobody gives a flying fuck. And it's unfortunate. And again, anyone out there, we salute you if you've done a marathon. You deserve all the, all the flowers in the world. But we just don't want to hear about it. We just, it's similar. And I'm sure people feel this way less in the podcast when you hear and people talk about their kids when they don't have, it's like, nobody gives a flying fuck about your kids. I feel that way. Even though I get on the microphone oftentimes and talk about my kid now, we get it. I get it. I'm not, uh, I'm not naive to this. It's just with the marathon, it's like, nobody wants to hear about it. And so to see Carl every second and when they had the party, everybody's coming over to the house for the party. And he's like, I ran eight miles. And it's like, nobody cares, Carl, enough. If I have to hear this the whole season, I can't defend you, Carl. And that's, I want to defend you, but you're going to have to shut the fuck up about your running. Because just go on to treadmill or go do your eight miles and like shut up about it. Nobody, I'm sorry to say, and we're happy about it. Surprise. He's open in the business. He's got a new book out. So we're supporting Carl, but we don't support him talking about running all the time because nobody gives a flying fuck. Okay. So what else? We have been the hot bachelor contestant from Australia. Woo. I like dick. That man, that man, I'm very attracted to that man. You know, I love an Australian accent. It's my favorite accent. It's my favorite one. What a buttle. You know, I, that's the only thing I could say in an Australian accent is what a buttle. What a buttle. I don't even think I'm doing it right. But the truth is I love an Australian accent. It just makes me, I just need a fan. Matt, turn on the fan. I'm getting sweat and just thinking about it. But then is he's like a bat. He was a bachelor contestant. They're doing something this season. I'm also a little concerned about, I hate to nip it because I thought this was a great premiere, but they're, they're doing like a love island defecation of the show. We even saw was like in the preview for the season and it said, a new bombshell enters the villa and they got all these new cast members in the, in the group photo shot that they did that they released. So we know a lot of new other cast members are coming on the show. And I believe they're just leaning into the love island because it's so popular on peacock that a lot of these shows, even Vanderpump rules, the new one, it feels like they're doing a lot of like date scenes and stuff. And it's like, I'm not looking, if I want to watch love island, I'll go watch love island on the cock. Like I don't need love island on Bravo. Do you see what I'm saying? Like love island is its own show. Summerhouse is a separate show. Keep summerhouse a summerhouse. I don't need bombshells enter in a villa. This ain't a villa. This is a house, a summerhouse with a broke down door in too few rooms for all these fucking people. And so I don't need them saying this is a new bombshell enter in the villa. I'm concerned about that. And then hiring a bachelor contestant was like, although he's very hot, very hot. There was a mouth speaking of Kyle's age. I knew we mentioned that, but there was a moment where Kyle mentioned that he had oral sex while West was being born because that's the age difference between them. Anyway, there's tension between Kyle and Amanda at the very first dinner. And we get to know a little bit about the new gals. Levi has just came out of a 12 year relationship. So basically she was 15 when she got in this relationship. And I know it's, I know, and I mean, I'm just too old, but it does feel, I'm like, okay, girl. I know it's 12 years and I should be more sympathetic to that. But like when you're in a 15 year old, you're just, it's just like, I don't know. And I know it was 15 years. And so she was into that relationship throughout her 20s. And so I understand. But like, even at 27, it's like, you're young, like, that's not even real. You know, is that, is that mean to me? I don't know, maybe. I'm Bailey then meanwhile, she's the blonde one. I hope I'm not mixing them up. We're going to have to figure out their names. Bailey, I think is the blonde one. She says she was in a big relationship and they broke up at sweet green and she spilled her $20 salad, which devastating. But she cried. And this is dinner on the first night. They made fun of her for crying. And that's a reality star, though. And that made me a little bit excited about her, the fact that she was crying at the dinner table on the first night of summer house. I was like, okay, maybe Cassine did something here. So even though she's like a host slash influencer, at least she's crying on camera the first night. And so we salute that. Now, Amanda says at the dinner that Kyle started the DJ business in spite her because of her bikini line. And there's so much tension. There was one point where Amanda thinks Kyle said that she's jealous, but he actually said that she doesn't listen, which like proved the point that Kyle said that he doesn't, she doesn't listen. And I'm proud of Amanda for not listening. And I hate to be one of those people that's actually rooting for her and Kyle to break up. But we've seen too many, there's been too many things that have happened with them on camera for us not to root. Anyway, they do acknowledge Paige is gone. Yeah, I miss Paige. I miss Paige. Weston, Jesse are trying to be bed bugs. They're trying to audition for the bed bugs. And there's a lot of stuff about Weston, his relationship with Sierra. It looks like they do end up making up and there's maybe even some romance and some sparks between them. And I would like them to get together. I am rooting for those two. I am. Let's take a break. And then we're going to come back and talk about how Kyle said between January and June, he spent one and a half weekends in the city with Amanda because of his DJing. That's that's divorce right there. Anyway, let's take a break. Thank you to ACAS will be right back. BBC sounds from hilarious history. How tall is our King Gilgamesh? I feel like back then they were just shorter anyway. So I think the lofty height of five eleven. They're giant among men. The paranormal mystery. There was a very strong sense of pure distilled evil and everything in between. What are you thinking? I don't mean generally. I mean, it's not my business. BBC sounds packed with personality. Get a free bet when you bet five pounds every week of the Premier League season and a big boost every day. That's Lattice Faction from Ladbrooks. And for extra Lattice Faction, here's the T-Sensees garage style. 24th of May, opt in weekly, selected Premier League markets. Match one free bet per week, values vary. Restrictions and T-Sensees apply. Daily arts boosts, T-Sensees on Ladbrooks.com. Gamblerwear.org. We're back. I can buy myself flowers. OK, so most of the house goes out on the town. Amanda and Sierra sit in their bed with a glass of wine. And Amanda, this is when she says that Kyle goes out with fans. There was this page six rumor. Kyle got the article squashed. But Amanda says she shouldn't feel numb to it. She said she used to when he would go out and stay out late. She'd be texting him, she'd call him wondering what he's doing. And now she says she doesn't care, which is bad. And I totally get that. But she says she's been doing this 10 years and it is a hell of her own making. But it does seem to me like she just needs to rip the bandaid off. I want a divorce. You. You. Because I don't believe that this is a man who has your interests at heart or even is considering how you're feeling about anything. Because even if we've seen her on camera, which remember, if you're having a relationship on camera, you're obviously going to seclude some of it from the public. Right. Like as much as we give credit to these reality stars for putting their relationships and everything out there, I would imagine any human being who goes on television in a relationship, they're, they're not, they're going to hide some of it, right? They're not going to, it's going to, they're going to want it to appear a little bit better, even if they're going to be raw or whatever, they're still going to want to hide a little bit of it. So I always think they're much worse behind closed doors or off camera. I, that's my guess. And that's how I feel. Uh, but. I think at a certain point we've seen her say to him so many times, like, I don't want you out late. She's worried about him being out late. We've seen so many previous seasons where he's out late. She's concerned, Kyle, come back home. Why are you staying out so late? Like you shouldn't be, I'm home. Why are you going out so much? And so then for him to keep doing that and then get into a profession where that's the whole profession is like staying out till two AM or going to college campuses, uh, to DJ. It's like that person has, is not even considering your feelings. And so yeah, I am saying like leave them. I want a divorce. You. You. It's like, why is this man not even taking into consideration? I can only imagine what her, her parents and family think of this relationship because we've seen her and just not be nice to her to be. Oh, that's crazy. Um, Bailey and Lexi have a very messy bed. Why is everyone so messy? Are the young people just messy these days? Like they, cause Sierra was messy too. Wasn't she? And it's like all the young people, they need to, do they need to take a class or something about like putting things away or cleaning up or putting, I mean, we see some of these young people now, they're putting their shoes up on the bed. Are you telling me you're putting your shoes on the bed after you were walking outside? I even see sometimes when they on this show, I've noticed they'll bring in their suitcases and they put them up on the bed or something. And I was like, what? I saw, I think it was Bailey and Lexi. They had their bags on the bed and I'm sorry. I just do not. You put a towel down on the floor and then you put the suitcase on top of that because you're rolling suitcases through. Who knows what? You know, you go to the airport and you got to take a number one and you roll on your suitcase into the restroom and you don't know what it's picking up all sorts of dirt and grime, especially these people come from New York City. Do you know what kind of stuff is on the ground in New York City? You're picking up rat feces and you set your bag down for one second. You got some rat feces on it. I'm sorry. You just do, you just do. And so then you're putting it on the bed. I'm thinking, absolutely not. These people need a, I don't know. They need a Martha Stewart to come in. Juicy Page was just on speaking of page. She was on, I saw on Amazon live where she interviewed Martha Stewart. They all, and they were in bed together. And I was like, they all need to get in bed with Martha Stewart and Martha needs to give them some tips on how to clean their rooms. Because in what world are they all so messy? Anyway, I'm rooting for them to just like happen a homemaking class where they can get all of them, all of them, but especially the messy ones. And then the next day, they all jump in the pool and they're underwear. And I do want to point out something. This has nothing really to do about the drama episode, but Jesse was wearing skims and I got skims as a Christmas gift. And I'm sorry, when I put them on the underwear and I hate to talk bad, this is all legit, but I put them on. I had the socks and the boxer briefs. I put them on you guys and I thought, oh my gosh, these are beautiful. So soft. They sort of, they hug, they felt like they hugged the caboose and the feet too. They hugged the hooves and I thought, this is luxury at its finest. And I know they're very expensive products, but I got them. And then after a couple washes, you guys, they disintegrated. And if I would have purchased them myself, I had a receipt or proof of purchase. I wouldn't write to the department store with my old underwear and said, return these, I need a refund. I need an exchange for something better because they disintegrated. And I'm not sure if it was just mine. Again, we hate to talk bad about the product, but I got to be honest. I get to cause it as I see it because I feel they shouldn't be that expensive. They're going to disintegrate in the wash. What, what material are we using? It's because, and I don't even understand the material because I'm like, how did they feel so luxurious when I first put them on? And then the, the, by the third wash, they're completely discolored. They're holes everywhere. And you know, I, again, I'm a clean person. It's not like I took off my shoes and went sock footed into a coal mine in them. And so that's why they're all torn up. I mean, I'm not walking around a coal mine without shoes and just the skim socks. So why are they completely, why are they getting all holy after just a few washes? They're holier than me and Catholic grade school at this point because they're expensive things and I have socks and underwear from other places and they don't get like that, even the much cheaper ones, much more affordable. Like Mac Welton is a sponsor on the show. There's underwear doesn't do that. But a lot of the skim stuff, I'm just thinking like, what is going on here? They need to, I don't know, Kim needs to get back in that drawing board and figure out a way to make the product a little bit better. Cause at least in my experience, maybe I got a bad batch or something, but I saw Jesse wearing them and I just felt like I needed to say something. Cause if you see something, you say something. Um, now Ben and Amanda, Ben is the new batch or hot Australian man. They met at Amanda's best friend's wedding and they skinny dipped together. Yeah. That's right. Kyle was apparently like running around with the speaker as if he's John Qsack and say anything, but like the Walmart version, the great, like a great value, John Qsack and say anything. Kyle was walking around the pool with the speaker while Amanda had her buggies out in the, uh, in the pool with the bride and the hot bachelor man. And what's with the bride? I mean, I hate to judge that bride, but also like, what is she doing? I mean, on her wedding day, she just decided to take the gals out of the, of the brazier and then hop in the pool and swim naked with the hot bachelor Australian man. I mean, if I was the groom, I wanted to force you, you. Meanwhile, Carl's worried about a Kyle because he says he only sees him DJing and Carl's sober now. And he says Kyle's DJing on the college campus on a Thursday. I'm sorry. I just do not believe that he's just not, he's going to these college campuses with these drunk coeds and like knocking into mischief because he's already gotten into mischief. You know, they have this party, which West plan the party. It's sort of like a, it's July 4th weekend and they, uh, had corn dogs and stuff, but they also brought in these, uh, was it donkeys or goats? And I hate to be that super woke person, but I don't like that they brought in the donkeys and the goats or whatever the animals were. I don't think we need a petting zoo on summer house. I'm sorry. I feel bad for them. And they were all excited. Like, Oh, there's donkeys here or goats. Was it donkeys or goats? I don't know, but justice for the donkeys and the goats, because you know, I don't like a petting zoo. I feel like let's leave the animals alone in their natural habitat, which is not the backyard of the summer house where, uh, Jesse is jumping into the pool and it skims while the new gals got a corn hat on and letting the animals eat off her. Like what is happening here? Let the animals go. Can we just back in my day. You'd have someone maybe dress up in an animal costume and get on all fours and like, that'd be fun. I feel like that used to happen on summer house, but now they're actually bringing in the animals. And I'm thinking the animals don't need to be here. The animals should be somewhere in the, I don't know, farm or something. Where can they be? Somewhere else. They don't need to be doing yoga. The, these goats are doing too much on the Bravo network. They're doing yoga. They're doing parties at the summer house. And it's like the goats just want to be, I don't know what they do. What do goats do? I should know that. I feel like every one of my sons toys, it's like an animal thing that like, you have to do the animal sounds, but they all do a different animal sound. Did I tell you this? It's like the books, they all, you press a button and it's like a sheep and it's like, but then like some of them, it's like, and then another book will be a sheep and you press the button and be like, and you're like, why are they all make different noises? It's like confusing me even. Anyway, so I hope the goats and everything, I hope they're doing well now because I don't think they should have listened to a Kyle Cook DJ at a summer house event. Call me crazy. They card in all these people though. And this is when Carl was wearing those short jean shorts, shorts, a bandana at tank top and a cowboy hat. And I know they were all sort of in a costume, but Carl's custom, it was a lot for me to handle. And he did say he ran eight. He was like telling people I ran eight miles this morning and everybody was like, we don't give a flying fuck. I wish they just like, you know what I want? I have one of these events at one of these events. I want Carl to like tell one of the bystanders like, Hey, I just ran eight miles this morning. And then I want like a hot mic moment where somebody just like not a main customer was like, Oh, I don't fucking care that he ran all that. You know, and they have to subtitle it because they're not Mike. Like that's what I want to happen in future episode. Cause that's what they're all saying and thinking. I'm sorry, Carl. Again, I'm rooting for Carl. I am, I am, I got to turn it around. I got to be stepping so tough on Carl because you know what? He's got the new business in, which I thought was going to be a flop business, but I, people have gone and said it's a nice place. So there you go. I'm not always right. Um, Amanda says that ever we talked about this, everyone online is rooting for a divorce and she's like, not sure if she feels that or they feel that they're also drinking from this again, I'm going to sound like an old man, but they're drinking from this like cow utter thing. And I was very triggered triggered by this. Cause when I was a kid, you guys, we went to a farm. Maybe this is why I was justice for the goats, but I remember going to a farm like in grade school and it was a class trip, field trip, whatever. And they made us all milk the cow. And I just, I don't know what it, I don't know what it was. You know, like maybe it's, I don't know what it was, but I did not care for, I was like very traumatized for it. And there's actually pictures. I got to find a picture one day of it because we have pictures of it. I remember like, you know, they, there was some PTA mom was like snapping the photos of all the kids doing the, go into the utter and learning how to milk the cow. And there's one of me and I just looked like very uncomfortable because I just did not, I did not want to milk the cow. And they like made me milk the cow. And in front of everyone, then like we're taking pictures of each person doing and even that, that young age was thinking like, I shouldn't be doing this. Like let an expert milk the cow. And I guess like you're, are supposed to learn these kinds of things. And I, I assume we went to the farm. I mean, it was like, I'm talking really little, probably like six or seven year old or something. And so I get that you're going to the farm to like learn how to farm. But I just, even at that age thought like, shouldn't somebody else should be milking this? Like I don't get it. I don't feel comfortable and we shouldn't, I don't need to be doing like a photo shoot while I'm milking a cow. Like I felt very uncomfortable with the whole thing. And maybe this was a me issue. And I'm also like, even at a young age, I was like kind of germ, if I didn't like germs and stuff. And so maybe that was part of it. Like I'm not sure what it was, but it was just, you know, how you do something at a pivotal age like that. And it, it, it makes you, it sticks with you for life. And so that's what I saw when they were having to do shots out of like that fake cow utter. I just had a chillip went up my spine. And I remember it having to, to milk a cow at a young age. And I don't know if we should force kids to milk cows. Maybe if they, if they have an affinity for it, I think like if I would have been a seven year old boy and thought like, I really want to be a farmer and I really want to milk cows, then I think it would have been great. If somebody like wheeled me on over, not wheeled me, I wasn't in a wheelchair, but you know what I'm saying. If somebody like grabbed my hand and brought me over to a cow at a farm and said, Hey, Danny, I know you want to be a farmer. Like let's learn how to work with others. But I didn't, I just, I didn't want to work with others. I wanted to write a movie for Susan Sarandon at that age. Like that's what I wanted. And so milk and a cow traumatized me. So seeing it in summer house, they were taking shots of a cow utter. I was like, can't we do shots on anything else? What happened to shot glasses? Where's the decorum? Okay. So then Amanda flirts with Ben though. Did you see that moment? The hot Australian man when he like sort of lifted her, you guys, that was so shocking to me. To me, that was like, there was so much more sexual chemistry in that moment than there I can ever remember seeing between Amanda and Kyle. Cause usually, especially when it comes to like the sexual chemistry between Amanda and Kyle, it's normally like Amanda being in bed, Kyle coming in and the night camera in the room on, and we see Kyle come into the room and he like takes off his blouse, gets into the bed, farts and tries to kiss her. And it's like, that's the most sexual chemistry we've seen between the two of them. And he came in this episode and he's like, do you have an eye mask or what? And that voice is it. He sort of sounded, what's that? Not beavisant, kind of like beavisant, but Amanda, do you have an eye mask? So he's asking for an eye mask. And so it's like, that's the kind of sexual rawness that we get from the two of them. And so then when Ben just sort of like, I don't know, very sensually lifted her for like a very split second moment. And you could see in her, she like, she like got flustered and asked what I'm married man too, if that man lifted me up, I would have probably been the same. I mean, immediately had to sit down because something would have been poking out. If you know what I'm saying, ladies and the right. I would have been like, I need to sit down for a second. Because yeah, that man did it, but I saw so much sexual chemistry between the two of them. And not only that, we found out they've been skinny, dipping together. So obviously producers are trying to set up like Amanda's got this thing with Ben. And maybe it's like going to be a red herring thing. Like maybe there's actually nothing, but they're trying to make it seem like something, you know, Lindsay calls in though, and she's busy with the daughter, Gemma. And she's going to be in the season. She's showing up and she said, she's like, I can't wait to get there one weekend. And so I'm assuming Lindsay is going to be sort of in and out. Understandably. So she's got a newborn, her young baby at home. So I understand that. But Kyle also talks to Carl about, about his relationship with Amanda. And he said, when I say it out loud, it becomes more real and it scares me. And meanwhile West and Jesse are sitting down, West got a corn dog delivered to him on a platter. That was actually the peak of, and I love, I'm, I'm in, I'm in West. I'm, I love West. I do. I do love West and I'm ready to embrace that this season. We give him a hard time in previous seasons. And understandably so. I think he earned our ire last season or whatever season it was. But now I'm coming back around on West and so I'm ready to support him this season. And that's the beauty of Bravo. You like him one minute, you hate him next. Every five minutes we're allowed to change our minds. And that's why we watch. That's why we come to this place for magic. It's to hate someone one week. It's to hate someone with every ounce of our being one week and then love him the next. That's what Bravo is. And that should be their slogan. But anyway, I love West this season. And so he had a corn dog delivered to him on a platter while he was just like sitting in a pool chair and I thought like, that's peak luxury, peak luxury. Then they all hop in the pool. They get in their underwear. Kyle gets manned in a manned up for getting in the pool in her underwear. But it's like she just already, she talked about our skinny dipping. And then also everybody was in the pool in their underwear, but he's mad about it. And it's like, oh, but you can, we've seen him. Uh, how many times have we seen that man hopping around in that grass pissing everywhere? You know, that's one of my big complaints is that he's pissing all over that grass and everybody's walking around barefoot in that grass. It's like everybody's walking in Kyle's piss because they just see him going. He's drinking all that lover boy on camera. So he's got to piss every five seconds, not to mention he's got an older person's bladder, which means he's going even more. And so he's running around that property pissing everywhere. And then I'm seeing these people who come in for the party and the cast members barefooted in the lawn. And I'm just thinking, oh, Kyle's lover boy pisses all over it. Uh, anyway, so he's dropped trial a hundred times in the show. I got naked on camera, getting into bed naked and, uh, getting it. I've seen him do all sorts of, we've seen him get naked a hundred times. A hundred times on the show. And so Amanda, I get sir boobies out for one minute and all of a sudden he's pissed about and she didn't have the, but she had a nude colored bra on Brazil. She had a Brazil on and I'm sorry to keep calling it Brazil, but that's what, uh, that's what Joy Bay are calls it. And so that's what I call it. Uh, anyway, she had the Brazil on and so she wasn't even fully nude. It was a nude colored Brazil, but everybody was in there underwear and Kyle's going to come at it. That I'm like thinking, Kyle, you drop, trowel and bring out your read a merino around that lawn every five minutes. So maybe don't get mad at Amanda for it. Anyway, this season we see they dress as old people, Amanda and Ben sort of flirt. We get the love islandification of this show. Weston Sierra, maybe get back together. I'm excited about that. I love this episode. To me, this is actually the crown jewel of Bravo at the moment. It is. I feel like this is the show that I'm most into on Bravo and it also feels, it just feels like the crown jewel of the network at the moment. And this will change. Obviously we have shows come in and out and sometimes they have bad seasons, good seasons, but at least for right now, I'm feeling like it's, it's it. And I hope I continue feeling that way. I don't know. Maybe the season will end up being a flop. Maybe it was just a good premiere and it'll be, I don't know, but my, my heart and soul, it feels like it's going to be good. I do. And yeah, yeah, I always say like you could tell kind of they did a lot of press for it. I think you can tell when the network knows they have something good on their hands and I've noticed that they've been pushing the summerhouse people on a lot of places. They've been doing all sorts of press everywhere. And so that leads me to believe they have a good season on their hands. So they wouldn't put all that money behind the press and like, carton them out everywhere if they didn't think they had a good season. I think. So anyway, that's the episode. I love you. Um, we're going to come right back and we're going to talk about this Karen Huger interview. Woo. Yeah. Idle money lies in your current account, picking crumbs out of its belly button. Wondering, should I eat them? But when you start investing with Monzo, your money's always busy. It turns on regular investments, invests your spare change and tops up your stocks and shares. 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Which no offense to the Super Bowl, but I would much rather have the real house's Potomac reunion than the Super Bowl. I mean, that's the Potomac reunion is my Super Bowl. So why do I have to give that up in order for people to play some football? I mean, can't we do both? Why can't we have both? And they say, here's the thing that pisses me off. They say everything like, oh, linear TV doesn't matter anymore. Right. They say the numbers, the ratings and everything don't matter on the main network. Everybody watches on streaming now. So if that's true, Bravo, if all you care about is streaming ratings and you don't care about actual ratings for the network, then why can't we just put up the Potomac reunion up on the streaming service? Peacock, huh? Huh? Riddle me that. If you don't give a flying fuck about the ratings that are on your network and it only matters, that's what we hear every time they say, they say, oh, the live ratings don't matter anymore. It's all about the streaming service. Well, if all that matters is streaming service, then why are we taking a week off for the Super Bowl, huh? Why are we programming it in expecting that nobody's going to watch because of the Super Bowl? If all you care about is streaming ratings, if all you care about is the next day ratings on the Peacock network, huh? Then why are you giving us a week off for the Super Bowl, huh? Something to think about. I know I will. Anyway, the real hospital make that will be off next week, so we will not. And I don't even know if we're going to cover the reunion. We'll sort of dip in and out because, you know, I don't like to cover the reunions. Anyway, real hospital make we open with Karen's. She was arrested. She had a one year in jail, but she was actually six months, I believe. She had seven counts of a DUI. We see her last week on the show, getting into the car, the Montgomery detention center, she's in that blazer and jeans. She looked great. She looked great. And there's all these people outside and she did at one point roll down the window to wave at people like she was in the Surrey County parade and she's overwhelming. She's overwhelmed, not trying to be rude to the people, but I imagine you get out of the clink for the first time. It's going to be overwhelming to see people and you don't, it's not like you want to greet fans and stuff. Um, but she gets home and Raven Ray, her big sister Bridget, they were all there and Ray, wow, he, he did have a sign that said, uh, welcome home. And it was printed with, uh, tubula balloons on the side of it. It was printed on his computer and look, Ray's an older gentleman. And I feel bad as wife went away to the clink for six months and she's getting back for the first time and he's obviously very excited to see her. Right. Like they haven't spent much time together in person. I'm not buying glass. And so when she gets back, I, I kind of thought like, how do I say this? I kind of felt like he maybe he should have done a little bit more, put a little more effort than just printing something in a very traditional font on his computer, one page paper that said, welcome home with two balloons on the side of it. Could maybe could we've done a bunch of balloons? I mean, he spent probably like $27 on her homecoming. Didn't have no, I didn't see any food. I thought like, I'm not saying he needed a party, but maybe like a little bit something else. I didn't even see like a candle lit. Could we have something else? But I mean, I don't know what the answer is. You know, I've never greeted someone out of the clink before. I'm sure at some point, maybe who knows. Uh, but at this point in my life, I've never greeted somebody after coming out of jail at that time. And I, but I just thought like maybe a little bit more of a to do, a little more of a to do, just maybe a few more balloons, maybe a grouping of balloons, more than two. It too, I mean, I guess like, gotta give him credit for doing more than one. Cause he probably went to the grocery store. That's where I imagine he got the balloons with the grocery store. The floral counter and he's like, uh, give me a balloon. I'll take that one. And then he probably thought to himself, like, I should have more than one. So he did get more than one, which I, I do believe took at least some thought. There was some thought behind like doing more than one balloon, but I thought maybe he should have had like sick. I, he didn't need to be like the old man and up. Like I, he didn't need that many balloons. I didn't need to see their house, uh, floating into the sky, but I would have liked to see more balloons. I would have, um, but I'm glad they, they greeted also the printing of that paper was just, it was cracking me up, but it was like, just it looked like he printed it in 1992. Like, and I, I want to be shocked if he did because look, I barely know how to use the printer at our house. And I, the only reason I sort of know how to use the printer, cause for the podcast, I take notes and then I always print them, which I know is wasteful of paper. I always do. I reuse the paper. So I do double-sided, um, but for my notes, I always take notes and instead of just reading them off the computer, because I've realized like it's, it's better for me, it's cleaner for me. And so it's better for you guys. They have them printed, uh, but that's the only reason I know how to do it. Cause I do it weekly, but otherwise like it, nobody knows how to work a printer in 20, 26, nobody does. You have to print something. Most of the time you got to go to Kinko's or call up somebody to help you. And so I understand that. And so I would imagine that Ray might have even found this piece of paper that said, welcome home and from 92. That's what it felt. 92 to me. That's the year that spiritually I felt when I saw that welcome home sign. Remember back in the, that time people probably don't remember this, but they used to, used to print things with the paper and it had those like those tooth, those things on the side with the little round circles in it. It was like, you had to rip off the sides of the paper. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? That's the kind of printer that I imagine Ray printed this on. And so even if it was printed this year, I still feel like he had to rip off the sides of that paper. Do you know, do you know, you had to like fold the sides and it had all these little holes in it. What did they even call that? A lot of young people, I don't know if young people listen on this podcast, but they probably have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about. But look up like printing 1992 paper with holes on side and maybe you'll find it, maybe it'll show up on Google. I don't know. Um, anyway, Karen cried, hugging Raven and the others. And she said the other gals in the, in the clink gave her the braids. And Karen said she, she said their mom would have been proud for her sister stepping in and helping Ray said it was like dating through the glass window. He came talking politics with her and like kept her up to date. Karen, uh, said she got through to the young girls, found purpose there. Uh, and then immediately she goes take a bath. She's like, I need to get this jail off me. And I get that she just wanted a shower and I get that. I, I want that when I get home from the grocery store, I'm like, I need, I need to get this grocery store off me. I need to get this. I need to wash this coals off me because that's how I feel when I get home. Gone for 20 minutes. Actually, I've never been to coals for just 20 minutes. I'm there for usually an hour. You know, I got to wash this home goods off me. That's how I feel when I get home. Uh, even though I love those places, that's, I, I, I got to get the germs off. And so I can only imagine being away six months in the quaint. You of course want to take a nice long shower. You want to get that philosophy, but body wash all rubbed all over your body. I hope, I hope at least Ray like stocked up the shower with some nice body washes. Something nice, something in there. I just used to start using one stone and I'm stone and something. I don't know the name of this, not an ad or anything stone and salt and stone. Uh, but anyway, I did start using this new body wash. And I like the way body wash, they're not a sponsor on the show either, but, um, I just have to shut them out. And then during the holidays times, I do like a philosophy holiday scented body wash, like I want to smell like peppermint, even though I don't know what they put in that, I'm not sure if it's safe. Not sure if it's, um, if I can thaw light free or whatever they say with the, that what's that word, the PTH. It's like a P and I don't like a word that's like a P and a T H. It makes me nervous. Uh, it stresses me the fuck out when I see a word with a P T H. And it's on all those shampoos like thaw light, right? You know, the P is silent, but I don't like a P in front of a T H. Makes me very uncomfortable and nervous. Don't you feel that way? Do you guys see the Grammys share? She was announcing the like last award and she said, and the award goes to Luther Vandross and, but she was my favorite moment. And I love share, you know, I love nobody more than share. Well, I know that I'll get through this. Love her to death. Uh, and I don't falter. She's famously, she's talked about being dyslexic too, and they didn't put it up on the teleprompter. So, and she's 80 years old. So it's like, nobody should blame her for anything. Uh, but, um, it did make me laugh, but I just thought like, yeah, that imagine like opening on ward and it says like PTH thaw light or something or some word like that with a PTH, I'd be like, Oh fuck. Hey, I would just get so nervous. That's how I feel when I grab a shampoo bottle and I'm trying to read it. Do you guys like to read when you were in school? Did you like to read in front of the class? Cause I used to like, I used to like to read in front of the class, but not if a word would have to P with a T H. I didn't like that, but otherwise they did like to read in front of the class. And they were like, Oh, can someone volunteer to read? I'd be like me. You know, it was very annoying in that way. Um, and I think I just wanted the attention moving on. Uh, she showers. Then we cut to one week later. And this is when Andy's car arrives and we get into the nitty gritty. So I want to play a little clip. This was my, this was a moment that was worrying to me, troubling to me. I had jail clothes on. I had on a jumpsuit. You did. I certainly did. No, it was beige. I may not wear beige for a good time. Okay. You are wearing beige tonight. No, this is blush. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. I love that we've been watching Andy for so long that we know when he says something like that, it's like, we know him so well. Do you know what I mean? Like that's one of the beauties about all the Bravo shows. Some of the people that we've been with forever. It's like just Andy saying, okay. Okay. All right. We're like, Oh, I know exactly what he's thinking. It's like a person you're in a relationship for soul, like a partner or husband or whatever, like sometimes with my husband, it's like, I know exactly what he does. I'm saying anything. He could just give one little like raise an eyebrow or give almost like a stone luck that nobody else, if they didn't know him, they'd be like, not registering anything, but I'll be like, I know exactly like all the thoughts that are going through his head. And that's how you feel with Andy too. It's like we've been with Andy so long, him just saying, okay. It's like, Oh, I know exactly like everything he's running to. He's like doing the Bravo wink to us without even saying anything. It's like we know everything he's thinking. That's the beauty of it. But some of the stuff that Karen, it's like, I don't know if I expected it to be a different Karen here or when she got out of the clink, but I sort of think I did. And then some of the things that she was saying, I was like, Oh, Karen, like even it's still a little bit delusional. And I want to say she looked beautiful. She looked beautiful. She looked healthy. She looked so good. And it made me think of, not that she ever looked bad. I mean, I Karen's always been a beautiful granddad, but she does. She looks so much happier and healthier. And drugs and alcohol really can, it made me think like they can make you look so bad. Even, even aside from just like your skin, right? Like your skin can look unhealthy or, or haggard when you're on drugs and alcohol. And even when you're tired too, your skin can look haggard, especially as you get older. It's like, sometimes I feel like I have a salty meal on the next day. I'm like, why the fuck do I look like this? Um, but anyway, it made me think with drugs and alcohol, like how much healthier you can look when you're not on that stuff. Um, so she did look incredible, but then some of the stuff she just seems so delusional about, and that worried me. Anyway, Andy does say he sprayed a note with LaDom perfume and they unfortunately didn't, didn't give it to Karen. They scanned it and gave her an iPad or some, but I like, every time Andy was like holding her hand, it's obvious that Andy really likes Karen and as do I. Um, but Karen's son is also there, which I was like, who's that? I was all discombobulated. I was like, do we ever even know that Karen had a son? I knew we knew about Raven, but I didn't even realize the son was a, uh, and maybe she's talked about it. I sort of remember she had that spinoff show where she went to Surrey County. I watched that and I felt like a fever. Like I don't remember anything, like not one bit of it. It's like all these movies now on like all the streaming service, Netflix or whatever, they all have these movies that come out and you watch them and you're like, I don't remember anything from them. Like they almost, it's almost like things are made now is for us not to remember anything. That's how I felt about Karen Huckers spinoff show. I'm like, I don't remember it, not a lick of it. And I watched it every week. Um, but then, um, she was there six months total. She was kept out of the general population. She said she wanted to learn the lesson and, uh, Andy pulls her for a chat. Uh, she addresses that arrest video, which I think we meant to talk about this last week on the show, but, uh, she said she didn't watch the, she called it a film. She's just, she called it a film and I'm like, I don't think this is like anything. Martin Scorsese is one who directed this. Right. This is in a, a Kenny or a Tega movie. This is a, a rest video. Like she called it a film. Um, but she said she didn't want Ray to watch the film and the, her people told her to take the plea deal because they said the video a nailer. And she said she was still under the influence of prescription drugs and alcohol. But then Andy is like, well, she says never underestimate the power of drugs and alcohol, which that actually clicked for me. But I wondered, she wouldn't tell Andy about like what the prescription was. And she's like, I, my lawyer is telling me not to, and like, well, how could, I don't understand that she kept it was, that felt delusional to me too, about like not being able to talk about the prescriptions, but then she was sort of talking about the, the alcohol. And then Andy's like, well, you've had all these other DUIs. She's like, I just had two DUIs. And it's like, well, two DUIs is still kind of more than you probably should have. Right. Like, I don't mean to sound too judgy, but like maybe you should. And look, we give everyone grace. Everyone's doing their best and people make mistakes. And so I never want to, I don't ever want to, I know we could be critical on this podcast, but I never want to feel like people don't make mistakes because everybody does it's human nature and everybody makes mistakes. So we can't get on our moral high horse. I never want to feel like I'm on it's moral high horse. But I do sort of feel like after one DUI, you should, you should maybe like be more cautious, right? And then after two, you should definitely be more cautious. And then two, and then Karen's saying she had two DUIs, but then two of the other ones, two were like dropped or something. But those also should have been some warning signs. But I guess like she said, she's never underestimate the powers of drugs and alcohol, but I just would hope, I mean, that's a hard part is like, I want to be on her side, but then when you think about it, it's like, you had all those DUIs and like, I don't know. She said the drinks never called her though. She said it was always prescription drugs. And she was running, she's like, I was running from home that night, but she's talking in circles and that concerns me. And this is when she said, Andy's like, well, you had four DUIs. She's like, no, only two were DUIs and the oldest was 20 years old. And see that feels like excuses. You should say like, yeah, I don't know. And then she said she was volunteering in the clink. She was like leading AA classes and Andy's like, well, how are you qualified to teach others? She's like, well, I, she had the treatment before jail and she had lessons she needed to share. And I, I kind of agree with what Andy was saying without saying of like, I don't know that you should have been the one to, I don't know that you should be the one to, to give lessons to people. Do you know what I'm saying? But she did open up. She said she stopped growing at 19. She was assaulted, I believe. Um, and so that also added some insight into what was going on. She said, she sort of stopped growing at that age. And Andy mentioned she's owning the narcotics, but not the alcohol. And she said it was hard for therapists to convince her that she had alcohol issue. She said, but then she says she does have an issue with alcohol now, but then she implied, I think that she had a drink after the accident. But then she says she considers herself living a lifetime of recovery, but not as an alcoholic. I don't know. There was a lot of talking in circles and that made me uncomfortable, but she does mention she prefers NA over AA. Uh, and then, um, what else Karen said, I don't know. I don't, this feels uncomfortable to talk about cause I just didn't, I don't know. She did, I give a breakdown of her day. She woke up at 430 breakfast at five. She made her bed. She loved the discipline of it. The structure, 930 class into lunch. She survived on astronaut food, tuna crab in the afternoon. She would work out in the rec area. She hadn't touched grass the whole time. Dinner at 430, dinner at 430 sounds nice. Um, lights out at 945. First few nights were very scary. I can only imagine. I can only imagine. Uh, and she's going to the reunion next week or in two weeks. She says she's going to be fine. Andy tells her some of the other women were genuine concern and he shows her video of the reunion from last season on the laptop. And she says, Wendy knows why she was not calling out Wendy at the reunion last season. And, and he's like, yeah, Wendy's upset. You didn't thank her in Kieran's like, well, when do you now need to have that conversation? But Giselle reached out. Uh, Andy says there are viewers who think you should not be brought back onto this platform. And I always feel like, I think if anyone who does their time, like even with Teresa, I always felt this way about Teresa's like, I get that. Uh, I think she did her time. And so I'm of the opinion that like, yeah, we, we didn't film, although they did sort of film Teresa when she was in the clink. But I think like she did her time. And so she's out of the clink. And so I, I don't feel like that should prohibit somebody from working if they did their time and paid for their crimes. Do you know what I'm saying? Um, but I understand also people being critical of like, I don't want this person on this platform, but it's like, I don't know. I don't know. She says she might not deserve a second chance. Karen says she'll see, but she's grateful to the Bravo family. She says, uh, the show saved her because she would have spiraled quicker without it. She says, Ray's got a new wife now and they have to get to know each other. Ray, meaning like she's a new person. And Ray said he would have let her go if she needed it. She's working on their relationship. And, uh, Andy tells her she was in denial for a long time and now she's not. And so towards the end of it, it did feel like she was taking more accountability. The first half of this, I just felt like she was talking in circles. Um, but she says, thank you for letting me be the author of the story. And like maybe on some level, I, I think it's good that Karen didn't go into this interview seeming too prepared. It could seem like she, if anything, I don't think she was very prepared because I think somebody would have told her to take more accountability. So on that way, I don't know, but I'm curious to see the reunion with her and the other women, because I always thought for sure, like, yeah, we need Karen back. I'm excited for her to come back. She did her time. Great. But after this interview, I was a little on the fence about, I'm like, I don't know that I need her back because I thought the season of Potomac was great. And I didn't love some of the talking in circles for this interview, but I might feel differently after the reunion, after I see her with the other gals. We'll see. Anyway, that's the end of the episode. Thank you all so much for listening. I'm going to try to do our traders recap this week. Again, I'm going to consider those bonus episodes. 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