Week 16 Recap: Lawrence’s Leap, Steelers LMAO, Seahawks Insanity, Clutch Caleb, Old Al Michaels, and the Holidays Are Coming

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifetz and I am joined by Danny Kaliank, Gregor Oldek. We are going over all the games for week 16 of the NFL season. Let me find out some fantasy football. Ravens Patriots, Lamar, Sick and Hurt, and then six third string quarterbacks, and then actual some quarterback heroes, and also a bunch of other stuff. So stick around everybody. We have a great show for you tonight. Holidays are coming. Holidays are coming. Holidays are coming. This episode is presented by Chime. Bank Smarter this season. Fantasy Football is all about strategy. Well, here's a winning strategy for your money. Banking fees for fee free banking, 1.5% cash back getting paid when you say in a higher APY in your savings. That's a lineup that wins. Stop banking the old way. Bank Smarter through Chime. Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. 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The last few seasons it feels like just Zay Flowers fumbling it away. Or Mark Andrews making some crazy ass boneheaded play. You know, Derek Kenry fumbling week one of the season against the Bulls. There we go. We got the Ravens trifecta tonight. Lamar being sick this week with the flu, then getting injured. On the most innocuous play, like, you know, this is what we always joke about. It's like, oh, that looked, that didn't look bad. He's probably out for the rest of the season. And then like he got need in the back or something and that it didn't even look bad at the time. It looked like he just fell down. So classic. I think I was mostly catatonic for most of this game just because Lamar losing or Lamar going out of that game lost me in my main home dynasty league, lost me the game. So that was kind of this. This was the real nail in the fuck you coffin for Lamar for the fantasy season. But the only thing I did notice is Drake may looks fucking amazing. That's that's about all I could take away from this game. Yeah, Drake may is awesome. Lamar bizarre. I feel like if you had Lamar in fantasy, like I did, your season just followed him. And your season was probably similar to the Ravens, where you probably started pretty good. And then not like the Ravens. Oh, I guess they lost the first game. But you know what I mean? It's only one in five to start. I guess that's true. But Lamar was playing well in fantasy and then you were probably playing well. And then of course, Lamar leaves your terrible Lamar comes back. You're surging. He's terrible again. You're surging back. And then maybe you were in a wildcard spot with Lamar in fantasy. And of course, or in the semifinals with Lamar in fantasy, because he was decent last week. And he got what did he get? Five points, four points, four points before getting hurt. Just absolutely just stabbed you. Brutal. I feel like that was also just a larger extent the entire day for fantasy. And also just if you're watching, you don't even play fantasy. I mean, I counted, I believe I have this right. If you count one in a football, there were a six third string quarterbacks he played this week. Third string. Like a lot. I'm counting half. I'm not even counting. I'm not even counting Dylan Gabriel coming in for like a drive to replace you to Sanders. It's a tie. We'll get to the chiefs guy whose name I already forgot. Chris Alotokhan. Oh, yeah. Dude, that was. Do we even want to do that now? I mean, no, we don't. We don't need to lead with Chris. Oh, what is it? Alotokhan. We don't need to talk about it right now. Did you guys feel like the Ravens were ever going to win this game? Like, I don't know why, but it didn't matter how much they were up. I was like, our Patriots are going to win this game. I thought when the Patriots ran a fake punt on a fourth and 10 that they were going to lose the game because that felt desperate. And it felt like the Ravens were in control at that point in time. It felt like Vrable was tilting a little bit. And that was probably Vrable's worst call of the season. That's one of those. I don't know if it was a bad call or they just thought the Ravens wouldn't be prepared and the Ravens were weirdly prepared to cover a tight end going out for a route on a punt. Part of me is like, it's one of those that the Ravens weren't prepared, then the Patriots would look like geniuses. Yeah, I don't know. I'm also of the mind of like, I'd rather probably just have Drake may try to get me 10 yards than a fake punt, but. Or just punt the ball away to Tyler Huntley. That's, I think, a better argument is just point the ball away to Tyler Huntley, but they won the game. And again, they wanted. The Ravens lost to the most Ravens fashioned Zay flowers running with the ball in his wrong arm. Sideways, crab walking, which I feel like Zay flowers does as much as any receiver. And then you nailed that the trifecta. The Mark Andrews play throwing it was actually what was your place? The craziest thing he's ever done. Because it didn't count. I feel like it's going to be lost history. If that play counted, that's one of the stranger plays I've ever seen. Like even that Jacobi Myers play where he threw the ball all the way to Chandler Jones and the rate. Like even that was like, OK, it's the last play of the game. What was Mark Andrews doing? I mean, it's it was the type of play you see a quarterback make when that when like a pass rusher has the back of their jersey and they're just trying to throw the ball away and they like chuck it backwards 50 yards. But this was a tight end who had caught a pass and was running down the field. But all of a sudden he decided he like he like short circuited. He decided he's going to like lateral to his to his teammate. And someone had a hold of him. So he like just chucked it. Was that part was it a hook and ladder or anything like that or no? I don't think so. It was like run after the catch. It looked like he was planning to do it. I feel like it was either pure impulse. Maybe it was a design like Kelsey thing. I hope it was. Do you know what it really looked like to me? Did you ever like play Madden or any video game on a Xbox or PlayStation? And then you like try to learn on someone else's control, like someone else's system, you think that like what the R1 on PlayStation is something else in Xbox. And you like, oh my God, I lateraled the ball like 40 yard sideways because I don't know the buttons. That's honestly what it looked like. It looked like a total miss. It looked like a glitch in the matrix. Yeah. Yeah. Poor guy. Anyway, that's great. The Patriots are though, I feel like this was this was a pretty good statement when for them, I think that you. Is that is that where you correct? Do you think that do you think have you had enough greatness for the Patriots in the last 25 years? I don't know if I would call this a statement when for them. This was like a survival advance. Like I they should have won the game and they did. And this late in the season teams are beat up. And it's like, if you could just get a win, that's important. But I don't know. I think I think Stefan Diggs was fucking incredible tonight. That guy has recovered from an ACL terror after 30 years old better than anybody I can remember. He tore it week eight last year. It's Christian Watson, RIP. Yeah, but I'm saying I over 30 years old like Stefan Diggs at his age doing this and coming back, he tore it week eight last year. He had nine catches, 138 yards today and is just still so clutched and just has such good game feel. And he's such a like a dick on the field in the best way. Like he's just like awesome. I feel like if you if you have a team totally, he was great. I don't know. I still think with the Patriots, like this game, I almost had them. I was I had them penciled in and fart or shard because things are starting to smell a little bad. Yeah. And they pull out the wins and you can't really do it. But I think this game shows me. Trayvon Henderson also got hurt with a con he went out with a concussion. I'm like, this team is a little bit like the bills to me where it's kind of just the quarterback and how much can Drake May pull this team forward through the playoffs? They've had a very easy schedule if they have to play like back to back to back great teams and it's just Drake May and a pretty mediocre kind of talent pool around him. I don't I don't actually know if I feel like the Patriots are legit contenders. I'm curious what you think, Dica. I think the Patriots, I still feel like they're probably the best coach team in the NFL in the combination of Mike Vareble and Josh McDonald's, who I don't love, but he's clearly incredible at the coordinating job. But between him and Vareble, I think this is the best coach team in the league. And I'd rather have Sean McVay coaching. Sure. Yeah. OK. Top team. I think they're up there. They're up there in the top, whatever, you know, the top third for sure. Top 10, maybe. I wouldn't say they're the best coach team in the NFL, but. I mean, considering the players on the team, I do feel that way. But I will say, I don't think the Patriots are Super Bowl team anymore, which I already was a little dubious of just because Drake May hasn't been there. But the injury is stacking up. I mean, so Will Campbell, the left tackle, he's hurt, but he might come back. But then Morgan Moses won out of this game and then immediately Therre Munford, his backup immediately gets hurt. Trevi and Henderson gets hurt. They're just stacking injuries on the offensive line, which is already, frankly, kind of a weakness. They can't really run the ball, but they win anyway. So and then Romandrii Stuvetsu comes in and ends the game in the Ravens. So I. And Romandrii look good. Romandrii look great. Good for him. Probably good enough for Trevi. And they never touched the ball again. OK. We have probably another decade of this Patriots team being great. So why don't we just move on to the other games here? Yeah. Yeah. Winners. I can't remember in the entire history of doing the show, three clearer winners. Then this week, starting. Craig, I don't know where you want to start, but. Yeah, I was kind of forced into not taking the Steelers. We'll I'll get to the Steelers later. They are not probably one. If I had to pick three winners, the Steelers are probably fourth. So I wanted to go with Trevor Lawrence and the Jags beating Denver in Denver. The first home loss of the season for the Broncos, they won 34 to 20. The Jags are now 11 and four. They have a shot to be the one seed in the AFC. If they win their final three games, or I guess their final two games now, and if the Broncos lose in either week 17, I can't city or week 18 to the Chargers. The Jags could be the number one seed in the AFC, which is just unbelievable. I mean, from where this team was at the beginning of the season. And Trevor Lawrence has been so good. Today was the best game I think I've ever seen him play. He was like he's just did a six touchdown game like was that last week or the week? Yeah, but he this game was so much more important and against Denver's defense. And like totally the way his command of the game, he had no turnovers. He had four touchdowns today. He just looked like all of the physical tools were finally or like the mental aspect of the game was finally catching up with like how gifted he is physically. I thought he was almost perfect and he really has been basically since there by. So the other week eight by since then, Trevor Lawrence is the QB two in fantasy, only behind Josh Allen. They've beaten the Chargers, the Colts and the Broncos over that stretch. Since we gate, he has 14 touchdowns and zero turnovers. And, you know, this is like how long has it been? Is this his fifth year in the NFL? And now you're like, OK, how old is he? Twenty six years old. Like it might be starting to believe now. The Liam Cohen thing seems to be working. The defense is pretty good. This is a roster that I feel like he can take forward and actually make a splash. I know it's like it's been a roller coaster for me this year with the Jags, because I think I came into the year and I even said this on Bill's pod that I'm like, I think the Jags thing is going to work finally. I think I'm actually finally ready to buy in. And then halfway through the year, I was like, I'm out. I'm out. And then, you know what? They they've won six games in a row and in that stretch, like like Craig laid out. Basically, Lawrence has been the best quarterback in the NFL in the six games that they won in a row. He's number one in touchdown passes, yards for pass a rating success rate. He's number three in EPA for drop back. And I think. Vibes wise and just visually, he looks different. He has like a pep in his step. He has more confidence. He's more assertive. He's more decisive. He's got a little more swagger, I don't think. Then I think I've seen from him since college like. Like momentum. Yeah, like, yeah. He's like he finally feels confident, it seems like. I was going to say that, yeah. Physically, he's obviously so gift. He's also running really well. Yeah. He's got more rushing touchdowns this year than Bijon Robinson. Trevor Lawrence. That's seven rushing touchdowns this year. That is shortlist stats of the year. Just nuts. But he's like, he's kind of like when they're inside the 10 now, like he is as big of a threat to get into the end zone on his feet as any quarterback. It's like Josh Allen, him and Hertz. It's also funny to I think the story of the Jags is they started out, things were really hit or miss. It's like it's like getting a car warmed up like it was just like they were sputtering to start the year. And then as they've gone along, everything has gotten. They've they've come together as a team. Like I'm actually looking at the receiver core now and like this is a really good receiver core. They have too many good receivers now. Parker Washington was freaking awesome today. You know, Jacoby Myers is established sort of just like that veteran leadership, just the foundational guy that's going to be there and catch everything. You still have Brian Thomas. They'll get they'll get a hunter back next year. And like this is actually a pretty and then Brenton Strange has been really good at tight end. Well, so the Jags was one this game 3420. I want to talk more about Lawrence, but you mentioned Travis Hunter. Yeah, it's kind of funny. They don't need him. No, it's it's kind of really funny that they go they go on and beat Denver. And you're like, oh, yeah, they're getting Travis Hunter back cool. And it's like, wow, they when I watch this team, I don't think they need a wide receiver. I mean, are they they're probably like six and one since Hunter went down. Yeah, they they they paid 60 million. I mean, they gave Jacoby Myers 20 million dollars a year at extension this week, which totally earned. He played amazing. And then they played great this week. Parker Washington, frankly, you can't take it's actually kind of a problem because you can't watching this Broncos game. You can't take Parker Washington off the field. You can't take Jacoby Myers. Thomas Travis Hunter is probably wide receiver for on this team. They'll definitely bench Parker Washington. You say that. But Parker Washington took an out route past between Patrick Sertan, who's the defensive player of the year and Talanova Vanga, who was the big safety signing for the Broncos, the shirt. He split him and went up 70 yards, took him to the Red Zone and another trip. I'm like, it's one of them, you know, the old saying. A couple of inches away from having a good team. Like, honestly, they got better after Hunter went out for a reason. I don't think it's because of that because of him. No, I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying it's it's it's just funny happenstance. But I will say the thing about Lawrence playing well today, I think the Broncos defense played well, which I think is important. Here, which this I mean, this Jaguar's won 3420. But I think both defenses in this Broncos Jags game played well. And I think both quarterbacks played well. I think the difference is Bo Nix hit open receivers. Trevor Lawrence hit covered receivers like all day. Like the touchdown of Parker Washington, he was covered. The touchdown of Brenton Strange, he was covered. Like, I mean, the part I just feel like over and over again, Lawrence was just making chicken salad at a chicken shit. He was rippin. He was rippin passes, man. And it it just muddles the AFC even more. Where at least like Denver was a team that you could be like, well, you know, I guess they've won 11 in a row. What are you going to do? And now I'm like, I wouldn't trust any of these teams to cross the street. I can the playoffs outside of Josh Allen and the bills. I'm like, do I trust Bo Nix and the Broncos? No. Do I trust Drake, man, the Patriots? I don't think so. Am I trusting Jack Jacksonville and Trevor Lawrence in the playoffs? When shit matters, still probably no. The Steelers? No. The Chargers, I don't trust. I'm like, I trust the Jags more than a lot of those teams. And I can't believe I'm saying that, but I do now because I, you know why? Because we see we've seen it for a month from Trevor Lawrence. We've seen it for a month. He has won. He has no turnovers in four weeks, which is. Yeah. I mean, 14 touchdowns and no turnovers over the last four weeks. DK, if you if you had to quickly power rank, we're going to do a mini power hour right now. Power rank, how much you trust the AFC playoff teams? How are you doing it? Um, I man. I do think I still trust the bills the most just because they have a superhero quarterback. Yeah. I mean, I think the Jags might be next. See, that's but that doesn't that that says more about the AFC field than the. Yeah, it's not the Chargers because honestly, Lawrence is like Herbert, a six, six freakazoid, but like the Chargers, the Chargers are the Chargers are even more of the Jags than the Jags are. It's not the Steelers. Just expect that they're going to melt down at some point, even though Herbert was awesome today and all that stuff. But I think what Craig's point is that this is a wide, wide open field. Maybe you're right. I think it's maybe the Jags are starting to prove themselves against these. I mean, you know, you actually go through Jacksonville schedule now. Dude, they have not lost to every loss they have is totally like acceptable. I guess week two, they lost to Borough and the Bengals. That's their worst loss by a mile. And that was week two. Since then, the only teams they've lost to Seattle, the Rams and Houston. And you know, it's sneaky. They actually put a point on Houston and they lost by seven, twenty nine, thirty six. Yeah. And they lost to Seattle by eight and they got killed by the Rams. But I'm like, they've beaten every single team that they were supposed to be. And they've hung in all these games against good teams. Yeah, it sounds crazy to say you trust Jackson. It sounds like we're prisoners at the moment, but the reality is, do you trust the Jags or the Denver? I think today was kind of definitive. Relief. Do you trust the Patriots or the Broncos more? Denver. Now, I think I trust. I just like put my trust in Drake May. It's one of those like I can't explain. I think I trust I think Denver's I think New England's defense is not good. They're not a good team. The Patriots aren't a good team. They're just really well coached and they have a good quarterback. Like you can't quantify the coaching aspect. There's no aspect of the roster you can look at New England beyond like six players and be like, oh, yeah, they don't match up well with anybody in any aspect, other than just while they end up winning all these freaking games. So the Patriots will be really good later when they actually add for sure. For sure. But yeah. The other I think while we're on the topic of former number one picks who have reached their potential with the transcendent offensive coordinator turned head coach that has just delivered immediately, maybe a division title. We should probably talk about the Bears and Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson, which is honestly a very similar thing. I feel like the winner, the real winner this week is patients and not judging number one picks that are like like irrefutably talented. The Bears beat the Packers in Saturday night, 22 to 16. We could I could go through the whole like tick talk of the game if you want. But I mean, the Bears went and scored 10 points inside of the final, basically 90 seconds. The it's the Bears sixth win of the year where they were losing the final two minutes and one, which is more than more games they won last year. Yes, it is. They total. Yeah. Yeah. In total. It's the most games anyone's ever won after trailing in the two minute warning ever. It's never happened before. Caleb, you know, like clutch. People say that's that's like regression is coming. And maybe that's true. But I still think that the the value of the experience of being in those games and doing that is worth whatever regression comes in the future. Like being in those moments and having that ice in your veins, that throw that Caleb made the game winning touchdown to do is like. Yeah. Is that the best throw? Is that like a top five throw in the history of Chicago? Is it the is it the most important Bears throw in the 21st century? Now, I guess they went to a Super Bowl, but I'm like, I'm thinking about just like how impressive in terms of skill and level of difficulty and how important the throw was, that's got to be pretty up there. The 21st century. Did you see to that when he he let go of the ball and then put his hands in his pockets to watch the rest of the for the throw? The other guys. Yes. First was the. So which one? Because you mean the 46 yard touchdown? I'm talking about the DJ more game winner. Yes, 46 yard walkoff touchdown and overtime just to set the scene a little. It was first of all, it confused it because there's a fourth and four touchdown with like 30s with like 17 seconds left. That was with like a zero blitz like pressure is faced. The fourth and four touchdown. Then they go to overtime, the 46 yard walkoff to DJ more. So to your point, Craig, to take all context out of it, even with zero context, just a vacuum. That was the third longest completion in terms of distance by in Caleb Williams's entire career. And it was literally with the walkoff game on the line in overtime versus the Packers. And you talked about Trevor Lawrence, like was hitting covered guys. Like DJ Moore was not wide open. Like he was blanking it and he put that ball right in his lap while getting pressured. I mean, that is as good as it gets. It was the whole drive to his anticipation throws to like there was another throw on that drive where he let go of the ball before DJ more had even like turned around. So, yeah, I mean, I think can't say enough about the late game heroics for Caleb. Like again, he's been he's done this a couple of different times this year. And so that was really impressive. Did you see he was wearing a he went to some charity event today and he was wearing a cheese grater hat on his head. Well, I mean, here's the thing, though. Caleb was he he was a Packers fan growing up or at least he was an Aaron Rogers fan and Aaron Rogers, Caleb based his game on Aaron Rogers. And when I when he was drafted by the Bears, I I wrote for the ringer, I wrote a column and I was like, Caleb is Chicago's chance at an Aaron Rogers and Aaron Rogers, like the whole joke was Aaron Rogers owns the Bears. He's their owner. They changed his Wikipedia article and then he went to the Jets and they couldn't beat your love either. And they were one in 17 in their last 18 games. It's not just that Caleb beat the Packers. It's that Caleb looked like Aaron Rogers looked at the end of the game. It's like the Bears beat the Packers with their own version of Aaron Rogers, which it's hard to even explain how significant that is. But the Bears have never had a good quarterback. The Bears invented the quarterback in 1940, the forward pass, like the modern day. The Bears invented the quarterback and then they never found a good one ever again. Until now, until this week. Yeah, I think Packers fans are probably like for us to point out that Jordan Love missed most of this game because he got concussed in the first half. And then I thought Malik Willis played really well for the record. He played great. But yeah, I think that that should be said at some point. Let me run through the quick. This game was crazy and this was the biggest, probably the biggest game of the whole week, but the Bears were down three nothing at halftime and it was kind of like a stalemate game, like a World War One trench game. And then Jordan Love gets concussed, Malik Willis takes over, plays well, a lot of short passes, but he has a deep touchdown of Romeo Dubs down the side. Then the left side, like it was a great throw. And it really kind of, I think it changed the way that the Bears had to play defense on him, too. And then the Bears kick off. So but there's so the again, well coached game by Matla Fleur. And in any other context, we're talking about how the Packers and Matla Fleur, another time Malik Willis comes in, doesn't matter. Two years in a row, Jordan Love gets hurt. And then Matla Fleur just pivots. And so they're up 10 points with like 90 seconds left. And the Bears kick a field goal. The onside kick goes to Romeo Dubs, who blows it and takes, takes the ownership for the loss and is like, it goes right to him. And weirdly, it was like a play in Bama, Oklahoma, where a guy's honestly, he's on his knees and the guys are just sprinting at him. He's like, I'm going to die. Like he's going to get, like he's going to get destroyed and he just loses focus. Bears recover, get the touchdown on fourth and fourth, 17 seconds left, go to overtime Packers, fumble a snap on fourth and one. Malik Willis fumbles the exchange, Bears get it, and then D.G. Moore catches the 46 year touchdown, flops like he's dead on the end zone. Yeah, he I thought for a minute there, maybe he didn't actually complete the catch. Did you guys knock out? Yeah, that was hurt. Or when knocked out or something. Did they ever do like a review of that? Or they just were like, yeah, that's good to catch the games over. They're like, it's fine. Everybody's on the field. I guess we'll just let that go. He was dancing. He was also wearing a cheese grater in the locker room. So he was five. But yeah, I mean, frankly, I thought this was one of the biggest wins in Bears history that I can remember the regular season. I thought it was unbelievable. And I just I think it's worth agreeing on just because Jim McMahon, who is probably the best Bears quarterback ever, just because he was on the 85 Bears, said when Justin Fields was drafted that Chicago is where quarterbacks go to die. And which is an incredible thing to when from the only good quarterback you've ever had says that. And I think that what Ben Johnson has done is he's in ones in in 10 months, 11 months, he has turned Chicago from a place where quarterback go to die to a quarterback place where quarterbacks can thrive. Like what he's done with Caleb, the under center running game, which again, was dominant in this game, like when Nungi and Swift, who's banged up once again, just looked unbelievable. And then Caleb, frankly, was kind of a game manager in the middle of the season. Like like Ben Johnson himself said, and I quote at a press conference, we're winning in spite of the past game, not because of it. Like that was the coach said that. Yeah. And then this the last couple of weeks, it's like Caleb is the like when you add in the fact that Caleb now is meeting the moment and just doing things that like four or five other people on the planet can do. I I don't think the Bears will lead the league in turnovers next year, but it's it's really, really, really cool. He also got an awesome quarterback. He did this in a game too, where he was missing Roma Dunes day. He was missing Luther Burden. DJ Moore and him have not had the most chemistry, I'd say, of any two quarterback and receiver combo. Took a minute. All it takes is a couple of touchdowns in your back. Yeah, I know. He was so happy. DJ, I was like, I forgot what a happy DJ more looked like when he was getting interviewed after the game. I was like, oh, that's what he looks like when he smiles. Oh, man, I've been waiting to see if he got added a concussion protocol, because I just still kind of wonder if he just was exasperated lying in the ground or just literally knocked out, got up and was like, oh, I'm on TV. That's cool. Dude, this is like this. What Ben Johnson has done and what a lot of these first year head coaches have done. This is going to be one of the more difficult Coach of the Year awards. It's like the dream team of Coach of the Year candidates. You have like Liam Cohen and Jacksonville Vrable in New England, Ben Johnson with Chicago. This was a generational head coaching carousel. The best coach carousel in decades, probably, and the Giants fired Brian Dabel nine months after all these guys were hired. Dude, I have. I'm sorry. This is not an intrusive thought. It's more of just like a half big take. But watching Malik Willis come in. This is now the second stint where he's come in and look great for the Packers. I actually kind of think, you know, they say that you should get a back of quarterback that is stylistically similar to the starter like Tyler Huntley with Lamar or whatever. I actually think the opposite is better because I feel like Malik Willis came in and started running around and it was like, holy shit, we were not prepared for this. Totally. And I'm like, you should actually find somebody who is as stylistically opposed as possible so that you can essentially have two different game plans whenever one's playing. You have a very attractive to a rush. No, I know. But like just having going from Jared Goff to Malik Willis or something like preparing for Jared Goff versus Malik Willis couldn't be more opposite. And I just kind of like that as like a wrench to throw it. It used to be way more common in the 50s and 60s, actually, to have two quarterbacks change in the halftime. Like it was way more like kind of pitchers and you would just take them out, they weren't having to close her. It wasn't they were like running back. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, it was much not every team, but teams instead of sticking with like a bad guy would just do they would kind of be like, oh, hot hand at quarterback. That was like a totally a thing. And then you switch back and it wasn't weird. We'll just send the Packers lost this game. I know Packers fans. Yeah, they're probably mad. We didn't mention Jordan Love got hurt. But I will say I just feel like I'm sorry. It's not the Packers here. Like if you just ranked the Packers six most important players five for six and getting them hurt. I mean, Jordan loves can cuss. That's a Saturday game. I think they play Saturday next week. I don't know if Jordan loves going to get cleared for next week. I mean, quarterbacks, frankly, like Russia, it's rare to make it to the next weekend protocol, like, but I mean, between Parsons and Jordan Love and all this. I in Super Bowl teams don't generally suffer as many injuries to their most important players in December as Green Bay has. I'm sorry. That's yeah. I mean, that's just like another reminder of like how much luck is involved in winning the Super Bowl every year. It's all it's just crazy to be still what the Patriots did, what the Chiefs have done. Totally. Because there's injuries are just such a huge variable every year. It's like you can really just derail your your whole season if like a couple guys get hurt. All right. We have to get to the main event here, which is DK. We haven't the Thursday night game. It's been edgy, DK. OK, the Thursday night game. Yeah. So how many whiskies did you have after that game? I actually went for a run, Craig. I was like, I was like, I get my nervous energy out. Yeah. And it was great. I got my way down the street. No, like I sat there. You know how because you know, my joke, how it's like familiar feeling following another Seahawks win misery. And this game was like the only time I could ever remember being like whatever, but like recently it'd be like, wow, I'm elated. That was incredible. That was the most fun game I've ever seen. I forgot. I forgot it felt like I can't I could remember what it feels like to be a run. Did you like raw dogged? Would you listen to I listen to music? I listen to music. I've been jogging lately, Craig. That's right. Yeah. Good for you. That's great. What did you go on like meek, Mel? What are you listening to? Uh, I don't know, like, dance, he stuff, like dance floor stuff, like, I don't know, a good a good mixture of different year was like high high high tempo energetic stuff. I'm imagining you sprinting like Ethan Hunt just down your street. Sure. Tarps off just sprinting. Perfect form screaming at the top of your lungs. You have Darrell's number painted on your chest. Yeah. So obviously the Seahawks won 38 to 37 on an overtime on Thursday night football over the Rams. It was a huge, huge win for the Seahawks because they took over the lead in the division. They are on now. They are on track. I think they've controlled their own destiny in terms of getting the number one. So they took the lead in the conference. They are literally 12 and it was a huge, it was a huge game in terms of like playoff, seating and everything because obviously the Seahawks lost the first game to the to the Rams. But I think even maybe not even more than that, but like in addition to that, just slightly lower on the on the rungs of priority here, like it was a redemption game for Sam Darnold. And look, I still don't really like fully trust Sam Darnold. The team does not trust Sam Darnold. If you look at some of the play calling in this game, it was extremely conservative at times. It was like very clearly they were trying not to like ask him to do too much and fuck up because I think he is a little bit. He has been a little bit rattled by this Rams thing. He lost to the Rams last year in the playoffs, when he was playing for the Vikings in that disastrous game. He lost to the Rams this year when he threw four picks. And then he comes out in this game and throws two more picks. And it's like the only one of them was to a defensive line, made the goal line. Yeah, God, this just looked like another one was a pick six or almost. Yeah. So it was terrible. Like, honestly, halfway through the game, I'm just like I was a little just distraught that like the Seahawks are this awesome defense, this great defense and their quarterback is going to ruin everything. And then, of course, the Seahawks complete, turn it around. It was like it was one of those classic Seahawks and primetime weird games that Pete Carroll used to always pull out of his ass. It was no, this was probably the best Thursday night football game ever. Yeah, possibly. I mean, the stakes, I mean, this literally flipped the conference. You could argue the results of this. If the Seahawks hold and get the number one seed, this is probably the most impactful game of the year just because it's the difference between Seattle having home field to the Rams and it's like the Rams. Matt Stafford's thirty six with the back injury. Devonte Adams is thirty through the hamstring. Few teams, Super Bowl chances could probably use the buy just for the age factor more than the Rams. Now they got to go to the road, play an extra game. And then also it was like the craziest game. Yeah. Well, the Seahawks at at one point, the Seahawks had, I think, a two percent win percentage. It was 30 to 14 with 13 minutes going in the in the fourth quarter. I think Sam Darnold had thrown a pick. I could imagine like fans start leaving the, you know, Ernest Jones, the Seahawks linebacker said the Rams were like laughing at them in the middle of this game. He's like, he was like, oh, you know, pissed off after the game and everything. And then Darnold for a pick at the goal line. Yeah, at the goal line with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. Right. So it was looking horrific for the Seahawks. Like not only did they lose to the Rams, right? Like this is where it was going at that moment. Not only had they lost to the Rams twice, they were not going to win the division. They're not going to whatever in the conference. They still were going to probably go to class, but Sam Darnold now is completely like fucked. Anytime he plays the Rams, he's just going to be in his head, all that stuff. Like that was that was what I was thinking in that moment. And then the Seahawks defense finally, and this is like the whole game, the Rams were absolutely just like moving the football. The Rams were awesome. They had over 500 yards of offense in this game. And I think they're the only team that's ever had 500 yards of offense and lost 500 yards of your turnovers, no turnovers and lost. And so that's another just one of these like random ass stats that just tells you how improbable this game was. So anyways, the Seahawks finally get a fucking stop after the Sam Darnold pick. The Rams punt and Rashid Shahid returns it for a touchdown. And then that like flipped the momentum of the game. All of a sudden it was like, oh, OK, things are going to get interesting now. They go, they get a two point conversion, not the two point conversion. That came later. And they get another stop and then they score again. And then they get that crazy ass two point conversion. Should we get that over with you? I'll talk about that now. Yeah, it was it was an insane play. I. I. Do do Craig and I even go? Do you want to preemptively address it or what do you want to do? I mean, like how much of a Homer are you about it? I would say I'm not going to like get in a big fight with you about it. But I am a little bit of Homer in the sense that like if you could, if you can tell me what rule they got wrong, that would be great. It is. They didn't get it wrong. Just explain for people. For people forgot. I don't think. Yeah. If you want to explain it, go ahead. It's really simple. Sam Darnold, I'm just going to do the what happened. It's actually not simple. Well, no, it's going in the NFL casebook for the. No, not. Yeah, no, not. What happened is this Sam Darnold threw a screen to his left on a two point conversion and it was batted down. And then the teams are lined up to kick the ball off. Nobody in Seattle is really screaming about it. No one on the rims like the teams are lined up for the kickoff. And then Terry McCauley, the ref guy comes on the broadcast and says, hold on a second, I think this might be good. And then they show a video of Zach Charbonne with all the players kind of standing around, just picking the football up in the end zone. And they're like, I think this count. McCauley wasn't the one who who like got the review going. No, but he's in communication with the league office. Right. They told him they were looking at who. If you will. No, they told him because they're helping out with the fucking broadcast. They told him. Yes, I know. But my point being is I can't stress this enough. Terry McCauley. They were lined up for the kick. Sure, which I don't think that's ever. And this is I think essential. They've I don't think that's ever happened before where teams were lined up for the kick and they're like, hold on, guys, we got to review. No play like that has really ever happened. But like still, like, yeah, that's just nuts. I think here's what I would say. I understand completely why people were freaking out about this. It was the weirdest fucking play. But in the spirit of getting things right, tell me what rule they got wrong here. Here's my problem with it. What rule did they get wrong? Everybody stopped playing football. No, for like two seconds. Everybody stopped playing football. Here's the deal. Here's the deal, Craig. This has been a rule in the NFL for a long time. Here's where the whistles. The whole coming out. That doesn't fucking matter. It's the rule doesn't matter by rule. Hi, Fitz. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, what are you doing? I don't want to do that because we're going to argue to this is the rule. DK is going to say if this is the rule and is literally he is correct. And so we're not arguing. Well, here's here's how I would like rational. I'm with the high fits. Here's how I would rationally defend it. When you see a swing pass or like a like a sideways pass in the NFL, this happens all the time. This has been a rule for over 10 years. Even if the if so, like the say the running back is catching a swing pass on the side and he drops it and then he walks off and the defense picks it up. And then later they go, oh, actually, that was a backwards pass. That's a fumble. The defense gets the ball. This happens all the time. Yes, what's how is that so different here other than it was deflected and went forward? So I so the rule. So to be clear, the call the whistle does not matter. This is that I want to come back. The whistle doesn't matter. Couple points. I would like to shout out that. Rule in the whole room. You are being a Homer. I've been a Homer. I know you. The fucking rule in the rule. Pass shout out that for picking up the ball. That's good football instincts. It's like, it wasn't like 20 seconds later, he ran over and got it. But like, that's because running backs always catch those swing passes. It almost feel like he picked the ball up because he was like bored. Not that he knew he was doing. He picked it up. You know what? To give it to the referee for him. Good for him. So it's a stupid rule because when the whistle blows, you are obviously trained to stop playing. That's the whole fucking basis of the. No, no, no. Is when you hear the whistle, you have to stop. These swing passes. This is why they teach their they teach the they teach the defenders and they teach the running backs on. I'm learning that it could be here. Here's in order here are my issues. And then we're arguing different things. We're not. There's a. I don't know what it is. The rule. There's a bunch of issues I have. One, they blew the whistle and guys stopped running. That's not the point to me. The whistle doesn't matter. You keep saying that, but it doesn't matter. You should have that argument for you. OK, if it happened in reverse, you would be you would lose your fucking mind. Of course, of course. I've already admitted I'm being a. A saying I'm very. Here's my other. Homer, this is a Homer argument. Yeah, here's my other issue. But my. The rule. Tell me what rule they got wrong. I'll tell you. I'll tell you what. Tell me what rule they got wrong. I'm going to tell you right now. OK, clear and obvious. No, that's not the rule. It is. It's not. No, that's not the rule. Terry McCauley watched it nine times and said, I think it's going backward. And then every every. No, that's this isn't the argument you started with. Oh, so now you're saying you don't think it was a backwards pass. I you're moving the goalposts already. I think so. Now you think they didn't get the backwards. Craig, is that what you thought? No, I know I'm saying. I think that's what. No, that's exactly zero people. I'll tell you exactly what happened. I will tell you exactly what happened. The whistle blew. I will know. I'm. You know what? You're right. I was there on Twitter. That's what people were freaking out about. It's the blue. Here's what. This is what happened. And I will shout out Jordan Rodriguez at NFL Daily, who pointed this out the night of Thursday night. This is what happened. There was a play last week in week 15 where the Broncos, where the referees blew the whistle to early field of scoring play. And if you'll remember our friend, the high school referee emailed in a couple weeks ago and said the number one thing he notices. And this is so true about NFL referees. The biggest mistakes in the NFL happen because referees are judged on their mistakes and then they are shown tape and of previous week's mistakes. And they are given points of emphasis and they're graded and they get to go to the playoffs and are paid based on whether they they have a rubric and a scoring system. So what happens is there's like four or five plays a week that the NFL is like, hey, hey, you got to do this this week, which is why there's weird. So one of them was you can't let like don't kill scoring plays too early. So the league office focused on this like all week. Then this play happens. And I don't think the referees on the field did anything wrong. I think the league office made it a point of emphasis to all the referees about this and they totally overthought it and they reviewed it and they reversed it and here's why. And it's this simple. I don't think anyone in the stadium, fans, I don't think any of the St. York's fans watching and I don't think any of the players in Seattle thought the past was backward in the moment. And so if you're going to go ahead and apply replay, nobody, it didn't occur to anybody that the past was backward. Here's the deal, though. It was. Look, saying that the people in the stadium couldn't see it. It was backwards. It was a backwards pass. Nobody. They didn't get the rule wrong. It's my main home or play. All right. I understand it was a crazy ass play. I understand that. I understand I would. Ten times. If I was a Rams fan, I'd be furious. I understand that. I'm admitting that. However, they didn't get it wrong. It's it's fun. You have to watch it ten times. It was backward. It was backwards. It wasn't it wasn't that. It wasn't that one. They showed it ten times on the fucking replay. That doesn't mean it took the refs that long to figure it out. Look, also, I would say that that specific part of it, like the is the past backwards or not, it happens a lot. And there are a lot of screen passes that are right down the line and you have to kind of look at where the ball is released and then look at the direction it's going in. And then sometimes you have to determine after the fact was it forward or backwards, because in the moment, it's obviously very hard to tell. That is never an issue for me. Look, I lived I lived on the field was like it's not a count. I was they reversed it. It was reversal. The standard should be high. I got my baptism in the fucking fail, Mary. All right. This is so hard. They got this right. Same end zone. That's very hard to call in the moment. Like how the fuck are you supposed to know if it's going an inch in forward or an inch backwards when it's when it's being thrown? I just it's just it's two things. It's the most common sense that shouldn't be a thing. And it's like, again, my rule, like the rule is you reverse it. It has to be clear and obvious to overturn it. My rule of thumb and I think that they should be they should be the rule. If the referees have to sit there and watch the same angle five times, it's not clear and it's not obvious. And that's very clear. I don't know. It was. I don't I've not seen anyone besides you argue that it was before. I am way more upset. I haven't seen anyone arguing that it was actually not a backwards pass. You know what? If you're a Rams fan, email us ringer fantasy football. Because I'm curious, I would be way more upset at the fact that this ball trickled into the end zone. They blew the play. Yeah, they blew the whistle in the play. And that's the other thing. And that is where I can test the rule. I actually, I think, to be honest, I think the interpretation of the whistle rule doesn't matter. I think that's a stretch because they fucked it up. I think it's a stretch because the rule that doesn't matter is the idea that well, if there's like in the case of a clear recovery, it was a clear recovery because everyone else stopped playing. Yeah, but if it's this happens all the time with these swing passes, this is where the running back, he drops what he thinks is a pass and then he walks away and then the defense picks it up after the whistles. Yes, but it happens all the time. It does. Yes. The only thing that's different about this is it bounced forward. Yes. But that like that's just bad luck for the Rams. I mean, it is really horrific, horrific luck for the Rams. Here's one, not angry about it. And there's two reasons. The Rams special teams like they missed a forty or a field goal with the game. Right. And then they got a return on return. And it's and then they fired their special teams. Yeah, Chase Blackburn, Shapp, New York, John Legend, intercepted Aaron Rodgers during his MVP season and then also over Gronk, the win is Super Bowl. Shout out to Chase Blackburn. I want to I want to say it for the record again. Obviously, I am aware that I'm taking the homer stance on this, but I will say they got the rule correct. I thought that was correct. I think here's here's the deal. Here's the biggest thing you would punch you in the face. Oh, OK. Here's here's the biggest thing. I think that comes out of this. We've seen a picture of 16 year old DK. He was bad ass. Here's here's here's the biggest takeaway I come from that comes from this whole thing is no one fucking knows the rules in the NFL, not Sean McVeigh and Matt Stafford after the game were like, I don't know what the rule is. I need somebody to explain to me what the rule is. I think it's a weird rule. You know, I was like, no one knows the fucking rules. Belichick would never. He would know this fucking rule. You know, when no one knows the fucking rules to this league, you know, when a player like a running back is like in the pile, trying to get tackled and they call forward progress, but then people keep ripping the ball out and they pull the ball out. It's like a fumble and guys are still kind of going after it because the even though the whistle been blown, it wasn't like that. Like the player stopped and that's my biggest problem. The blue whistle. Sharpen, they picked it up. I know, but that's preposterous. OK. I don't get why, but OK. You you you get why? Because if it happened again, if it happened to another, I guess it's not that if happened again. I don't think it was that. You're you're talking like two second, like a literal two second. If it happened yet, two seconds is a long time. You have to separate two things. One, they the rule as it is written was was properly applied. And the correct thing happened based on the letter of the law. However, that's OK. I agree with that. That I see where you're going. I agree with you. But you also have to admit it was crazy, incredibly stupid. And the rule makes no fucking sense. Yeah, it's never misses like literally the first time this is ever fucking happened. The other thing that makes it way more complicated, too, is it was in a two point conversion. If you know, OK, if you describe this version, it's like a download. It's like a non timed play where yards don't matter. Sorry. If this happened to you, you'd call it a desecration of football and in a front to the concept. You don't know me, man. Maybe I wouldn't. If you had to describe this to a person who had never watched football before. Yeah. How the fuck would you be able to describe what you're like? I don't think I would bother. I'd be like, you don't care. This is 99.9 percent of the time when the whistle blows everybody has to stop. And if you if you hit somebody out of the whistle blows, it's a penalty. Except this one weird time. If the whistle blows, everybody stops. But if you're smart enough, you can pick up a ball. Now we're arguing over if the rule is stupid, which is fine. Yes, that's exactly OK. That's fine. If you think the rule should be changed, that's fine. I don't care. Go ahead and change it. I don't go around the same page. All I'm saying is tell me what rule they got wrong. The Des Bryant rule, where he didn't catch it in the playoffs, was correctly and properly applied. And it was so outrageous they had to change the rule because it was fucking crazy. Go ahead and change the rule. I don't fucking care. All right, great. All right, let's move on. Can we hold on? We got to talk about this game on a positive note because that was the Rams because Puka and Matthew Stafford, so I'm in the ring of fantasy league. Deacon, I got first run buys. We got fucking rocked. Chris Ryan, who drafted, didn't draft his team, didn't make any moves. Beat Deacon. I was got shelled by Puka. I do. I you know what, man? I was this is one of the better teams I've assembled. I had heard said McCaffrey and Jonathan Taylor. I don't care the stretch run. I know no one gives a shit. I actually go through all 17 picks. Yeah, it's a good point. One of them was a pizza case that came in last place. Mallory Rubin had Matthew Stafford and Puka Nukua in this game. And so she was literally up 80 to nothing entering the weekend, which is you lost the game before you got off the bus. It's just didn't show up. It's unbelievable to show up and literally. You know what's funny? It's exactly the spread I need from McCaffrey and Taylor. That was 80 points. Like literally just 80 nothing into the weekend. And it was it's it's so weird to just lose before you show up. And I think that's how a lot of people felt with either Puka or Stafford in the lineup. You're like, oh, well, this is over. And then Devonte misses this game. And then without Devonte Adams against the Seahawks who are against everyone else, like the best defense in the NFL. This is crazy. And they get 500 yards and and again, look unstoppable through three and a half quarter. Fifty two minutes. This Rams could not be stopped, even though they didn't have Devonte in a weird way. I feel like this is the best moment to grab the Rams odds for the Super Bowl, even though they're in fifth seed just because they're the best team. And this this was the flukiest loss. This is not since the Cardinals Titans game has there been a fluke year loss. Well, no, I mean, because the game was being played both before and after the whistle. So how are they supposed to know exactly after that's rattling? I mean, you know, no team before had ever had. What was it? Three two point conversions in fourth quarter and overtime and won a game. So that was the first thing we got to get to the rest of the game real quick. They got two other two point conversions, too, which is very unlike. They got the first two point and then they got the they got one in overtime, too. Yeah, the Zach would pass. Then an underrated part of the story is that the Rams go three and out again. So Donald's like, hey, Donald, this is your shot, man. And so because that that two point conversion made it 30. Also, it was such a huge deal. We're yelling about it because it was 30 28 versus 30 30. That was the outcome of that two point conversion. So then Rams go three and out and Donald's like, all right, this is your chance, man. And they go three and out. And then the Rams come down and they get like a 48 year field goal. They miss it. Like, all right, Donald, this is your chance, man. And the C.O.S. go like four and out. And then the Rams come down and then they get it. And then Donald gets another chance to regulation. This is your chance, man. Doesn't do it. He he went over three after that to take the game winning. This is this is over time. And then he got it done. Yeah. And he made some incredible throw like his his throw down the sideline to Cooper Cup, who made an incredible toe tap catch was best throw the game. One of the most incredible play and he got lit up right after he threw that too. So it was in the face of pressure. But yeah, I mean, that was what I said at the very beginning of this, like 10 minutes ago when we started talking about this game is the C.O.S. clearly still don't trust Darnell. They were like asking him to throw like screen passes and stuff in the fourth quarter trying to come back. It's funny for for how crazy for how important this game was for Seattle. I think my opinion of everybody didn't change after this game. Like I still think the Rams are the best team. I still don't trust Darnell. It just puts the CX in a much better position. Totally. I think it's honestly, I think it's way worse for the Rams, because to me, like the Rams like securing that one seed and getting to stay in LA and stay in SoFi for all these games. Now, if they're the wild card, sure, their first game, they're going to have to go to Carolina and they can beat Carolina. But they're not going to lose twice to Carolina. But I'm like, dude, the Rams having to go to Chicago now versus the other way around and Stafford, it's just so brutal for them. And I think Seattle is way more built to like withstand that versus the Rams who so it's just really bad luck for them, because I still think they're the best team in the NFL right now, but them having to basically win an NFC championship game in Green Bay or Chicago or something like that. I guess it wouldn't be Green Bay. It would be Chicago is brutal. Even if they win that game, Stafford at his age, all these guys getting tackled into the ground and they're going to play like it matters up. The last thing I'll say, we don't have to linger to the but the Pukinakua is all this controversy this week at the stream or in a gesture and all I could think while he, you know, Sean McVeigh is being asked, he's being asked about did Pukin understand like, you know, they put a statement. Did Pukin understand the the the nature of the of the gestures he made? And all I could think is I'm like, this guy's a pro athlete. He doesn't eat vegetables. I'm like, no, I'm like, what are we talking about? Dude, I think it's harder to find pro athletes who are under 25 who do eat vegetables to be honest. This guy literally he's a pro athlete who won Rookie of the Year and he would literally just for breakfast and dinner, Google map his way to the route because of the facility because they didn't get there and just eat whatever fast food he happened to pass on the way. I'm like, I don't think it's like the monkey simple thing. Though it's like Chateau Chocinco, had McDonald's every day, D.K. Metcalfeats candy all day. He's eating Skittles and stuff. It's like, you know, I don't know. I wasn't shocked. It's it's it's it's, you know, it's I don't know. Anyway, we can move on. Other guys that blew out a game. This is more. Yeah. Pretty great game. I was it was only case law. This is new case law for the NFL. They'll eliminate this rule. I just want to be like get him to be like, I like refs. I like referees. I like thin pancakes. OK, the other guy. This is also not been hybrid, but it's more of a fucking thanks for nothing is Ashton Gentie, who I don't know how many people were in the playoffs with this performance today. So fucking annoying. Thirty seven. I have asked Gentie battling for last play. Thirty one points. The number one running back on the day looked awesome. D.K. you you and we texted about this briefly, but you're so right that like every time Gentie has like five feet of even a sliver of awesome. He just never does it. He caught a 60 yard touchdown today. He's been like a fantastic wide receiver this year. He had another like 40 yard touchdown run. He looks really good when you just allow him to do anything, but he's on the Raiders and so it never works. Just let him take one fucking step without getting hit. Yeah, all he needs. He helped no one, but, you know, did Craig question. Do you get are you. Angrier with Ashton Gentie now that he can go up against the Texans who have the other best defense in the NFL and be the number one running back in league to see make you even angrier that you were limited from the playoffs. Like I feel like it's actually worse when a player blows up right as after they ruin your season. I'd rather not have happened at all. I would agree with that. Yes, I'm more angry now at Ashton Gentie. I like him less now. OK. You know who I like more, though? Who? My Pittsburgh Steelers running backs. Dude, yeah, man, the double Oppenheimer. What's the how every team thinks will happen when they have their two running backs? Hi, Fitz, if I read you the stat line, if I read you the running back stat lines and the Steelers game beforehand, if I had a crystal ball and I was like, somebody's going to be 14 for 143 with two touchdowns. The other one's going to have five catches for 70 yards to the touchdown. How much money would you put on the fact that that's David Montgomery? Junior Gibbs, 10 to one, 20 to one. What odds would you take halfway through this game? I was like, when did Kenneth Gainwell become the best player in the NFL? It's actually shocking that you go to let him go. Yeah, he was so he was incredible. He's like he's basically having a slot. I think I heard maybe it was Akeman said this a couple of weeks ago, or he's like he's running legitimate slot receiver routes. And there was times where they had both him and Jalen Warren on the field and they're doing all these creative ways of getting him releasing from the backfield or whatever, lining him up in the slot. He's just such a good player. He had incredible, incredible catch where he's laying on the ground and he caught the ball and then got up and ran it in for the end. So he had another really good catch later in the game where he's like he basically had to like fully extend almost off the ground and pick it up. And then in the same game, Jalen Warren rips off like two 45 yard touchdowns. I'm like, these running backs, they don't look like a lot. They're not very big, but they're just really, really good. Both Jalen Warren and Kenneth Gainwell. Kenneth Gainwell, honestly, both just seem like professional football players. Aaron Rogers trust them. Rogers talks up Gainwell all the time. He loves Kenneth Gainwell. And it just seems like he's a guy that everybody wants on their team. Dude, he's been one of the best players in fantasy for the last like six weeks. It's like a Jerick McKinnon, Danny Woodhead, like Darren Sprouls. I mean, he's bigger than Darren Sprouls, but I mean, it is like one of those the same style runs. Yeah. And at the season. But I get he's going to be one of the funniest players to rank next year, because yeah, he's like a fricking scat back that is Aaron Rogers favorite receiver of the team. Yeah. I know there's a lot of weird running back performances to the outside. I mean, like Chase Brown had three touchdowns in the third quarter. Yeah. Another crystal ball. If I told you Bengals score 45, Chase is going to have three touchdowns. You're like, oh, my God. Hell, yeah. No, no, no, it's Chase Brown. What? Three and one quarter. Yeah. But maybe Bijan James Cook went off big running back day. Yeah. I think it's a big run back season. They swung this. They swung the playoffs today, for sure. I mean, if you look at just we don't know, we can talk about this more. We'll do fantasy rewatchables and lessons. But if you look at just like the receivers today, Pukat for this week, Pukat 40, Alavi at 30, Parker Washington and Pick into like 23. No one else had over 20. Like it's it's it's meanwhile, if you look at running back, I mean, it's just like overloaded and it's sometimes it's random. But I just think running backs, we can go into it, but it's it's nail. There were like three or four receivers that could have floated you this year. But there were a lot of running backs that have delivered. So it's been an interesting year running back. OK. I think we need to get it's the holiday season. And, you know, this Christmas, there's Hanukkah, there's Kwanzaa, there's Boxing Day, but I think we need to get to the most important holiday them all, which is Festivus for the rest of us. And earlier, we had the feats of strength with Danny Kelly trying to body us over the reps over the referees and so just defending my Seahawks. You defending the referees. Yeah, God, what if I fear that? Come who am I now? What has happened to me? I've abandoned all my principles for what? I'm under my son. Oh, we have to do some air and grievances for some players that just screwed us in the playoffs. Yeah, for fantasy, DK, please. Well, I want to get started with just the quarterbacks, because if the if the running backs won you your semi final matchup this week, or maybe final, if you're in a different type of league, the quarterbacks were the ones that fucked you. And look, this is said with love towards these players, but Josh Allen had his worst game. What was it? His worst game all season. I think he had like six years. We got an email worst game of his career. Since his rookie season. Can I read you an email from Al? Yes, Al. Al sent an incredible email about Josh Allen. So Josh Allen sent us emails on Sundays. It was great to get emails today. Also, join our discord. The discord is really fun. The invite link is in the episode description. Join the discord. It's phenomenal. But emails, it's great to get emails and Sundays, too. So Al wrote Josh Allen's bust is even more atrocious because if you just look at the other games where he scored under seven or six point nine points here, he's only done it six times and the context is unbelievable. He did it last year in a week, 18, when he literally just took the first snap to preserve his start streak. Oh, yeah. Jesus. He did it in the Damar Hamlin game where they played nine minutes and then the game ended. And then he did it in the twenty nineteen also to preserve his start streak in the last week of the season and then took one snap and left the game. And then his rookie year, he got hurt against Houston with an elbow injury. And then they it was literally just week four where he got lit up by the Packers in his third start ever. And then week one of his first rookie season when Nathan Peterman put the bills down 40 to nothing against Baltimore and Josh entered the game in the fourth quarter. Those are the only other times in his whole career he has done less than he did today. Man, anyway, tough timing for all you people out there that had Josh Allen, including me in one league. So just to run down the list of quarterbacks that really like just shit the bed this week or got hurt, which obviously we're not mad at you for that. But that sucks for our teams. Well, Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Jackson Dart, we'll get back to you. Lamar Jackson, Christ. And then, by the way, and I said this before, I was texting with Carlos about this, like, dude, I'm in, you know, semi finals, like these are some really good teams on like 11 and 12 win teams and my starting lineups look like dog shit because I was like down. And these are super flex leagues. I'm down to like Marcus Mariota and Garter Minshew as my quarterbacks. I'm like, how is this team in the semi finals? And then both of those guys got hurt like almost immediately. Garter Minshew. I mean, the fact that my home is towards ACL and Garter Minshew comes in and we already were like, this is depressing and Garter Minshew tears his ACL. And then they have Chris a lot of dude, the chief. Craig hasn't seen Harry Potter spoiler, but you know, they had a Harry Potter where like Voldemort like just looks like just so decrepit, it's like pathetic. Yeah, he's like, oh, help me. I'm dying. And Harry's like, Espele Amis. He's been splenched. He's been splenched. He's been splenched. Wrong. He's like, you're a wizard, Harry. I love that. You're a wizard, Harry. It was pretty good. Craig, how would you judge that impression? Of who? He doesn't know. He couldn't tell you because what's going on here. But yeah, you're a wizard, Harry. You kids with your fancy wizards and magic. I watch I watch football. And you watch Quidditch. I mean, I know about Quidditch. Quidditch is like hurling, bro. You would love it. What were we talking about? I was saying the chiefs look like Voldemort at the end, watching like watching Travis Kels's career, and which with Chris a lot of time trying to like beat the Titans and the Titans beat the chiefs, 26 to nine. When we mentioned they got the doors blown off by the team that was tracking to be the number one overall pick. What are the faster fall offs? I don't know if a Super Bowl. I don't know if an era of a team has ever ended quite so precipitously as like this game. It's about as low as it gets your third string quarter. Yeah, getting the doors being off by a team that has two wins. It's it tells you that you like you know, they say you can't tank in the NFL like players can just give up. Like they all right. They fucking gave up. Like they're like already on the talent. Like they just stop playing. Travis Kels you should opt out. It's like a pro bowl. Like you should not play the next. He should just like opt out the rest of the season and then play one game with Mahomes next year and then retire. Or is it can I give you a hot say is is Mahomes actually the MVP? Yeah, dude, are the chiefs the worst team in the NFL without Patrick Mahomes? You watch this game, you're like, this got eliminated last week. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty sad. But and then Kelsey gets one point and you'd be forgiven if you played Kelsey and you're like, well, Rishi Rice is out with a concussion and you know. They got to pass it to somebody. Yeah, exactly. Like this third string guy Chris Oladuken or whatever. I mean, to continue the airing of grievances, there are a lot of guys, a lot of good players where if you lost, it's not your fault. You had them all year. They were great. You were smart to pick them and it just didn't work out. Travis Kelsey, one point, one point today, not your fault. Like we said, Josh Allen, six point nine points, not your fault. Trey McBride, who has been the quietly one of the best players in fantasy all year today, four points. Not your fault. Literally the first time McBride had not had five catches in a game in like 15 games. Another tough one, Drake London came back maybe a little early off this knee injury, playing Arizona, you're like, Drake London, four points. Not your fault. You have to play him. Yeah. So you had to. Can I throw in the list, Christian Watson? Sure. Where if you. Christian Watson ended up with having two and a half points. Christian Watson had no catches in the first 25 minutes. Christian Watson was so close to having like 17 fantasy points in the first quarter. He almost had like a touchdown or two, and instead he just had 17 yards. God. Fantasy. I mean, the worst of them all, we mentioned him and DK, this is probably extra hard for you because you're in so many leagues. You probably have every single one of these players we mentioned. I do. So you're back to Jackson Dart today had zero points. To be specific, it was point zero two. Let's go into this for a second. Well, actually, I think. Well, before we do this, I think actually think we it's a special version of I think we have to do America's America's favorite segment. Oh. Oh. What is up? Daniel Kelly, Danny Kelly, Daniel. Stop asking me. We need to get him some fantasy lactate. But for for for sure. You're you're. Where this guy's been for all goddamn season. That's a funky funky beat. They were do that was the Tom Tom Club beat. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That was that was that was an abomination. That was that was genius. I will we're getting a little liberal with the legs here, folks. All right, tighten these down. We need to. Craig's like this isn't modern movies. Get back down to 90 minutes. Yeah. What is this? Knives out? No, we need this to be a sub 20. That was insane. The farts per second there were off to that was that was a lot. I'm curious where to get the, you know, the hell they always do the four or short like the monster truck voice. Do they do that or they'd get enough like AI or something? I think that's my I did that once and I think they're just so that you. Yeah, that's me, baby. Hell yeah. So I want to be clear because that that that that one was sent in by so important Brandon and he that was a clankerless farts chart. Clankers involved. Clanker free. Wow. That's like the new organic food. I only eat organic. Clankerless. Yeah. On the label. But yeah, that was Tom Tom to farts, which I got to tell you, I might be done with this bit, guys. No, stop. What? We're just getting started. I speak for a certain not that bit, but we can't it can't be that. There's too much farting. Um, I say people really, really liked the Yacht Rock version of the fart. This is like the book. Yeah, that was creative out there. And this was creative. They applied farts to the Tom Tom Club beats. I don't want to shame people for that reason. It was very creative. And just know this, you're going to be on Netflix soon. So fucking get ready. All right. I want. Yeah. Yeah. I just I want less farts, but yeah, the more Yacht Rock. OK, this is important. So. Danny Kelly. The Giants lost to the Vikings and Max Brozmer today. They got brod. They got brod. The Giants. Lost through a lineman, you know. But don't care. Can't lose to Brozmer. Jackson Dart looks a lot worse since Brian Dable left and was fired. So my question to you, DK, was Jackson today, Jackson Dart with his point zero to fantasy points. And as the long term franchise quarterback for the New York Giants, do you think this lost today for Jackson Dart and the Giants? Do you think this was a Jackson Dart fart? Or was this a Jackson Dart? Shart, a dardar, shart, dardar, shart or fart? Look, we just got done preaching patience with young Corvax. Caleb Williams was an absolute fucking disaster last year. Dart has flashed a lot more than Williams did when he was a rookie, I would probably say. So I'm not going to say it was a shard. I'm going to say it was a it was a dart. But. I mean, the vibes are as low as they possibly can get with this offense right now. That was a horrific showing. I think we've seen enough highs from Dart that it almost doesn't matter what he does the rest of the season. Yeah, I mean, also he's playing with he's playing with nobody right now. So that that makes me feel better, because I got to tell you, watching him just be outplayed by Max Brasmer was one of the humbling moments of my entire year. I will say he has not looked good since he got back. He has not looked good since Brian Dable was fired. Like, let's be honest, I will. The Giants play the Raiders next week, and that's kind of what it's probably just going to the losers probably just going to get the number one pick, which is crazy. Yeah. I the dart thing I have to just mention. So the ringer fantasy league, I had the first place in the regular season standings and I kind of knew I was going to get a buy, but I had Sam Darnold as my other quarterback in Super Flex. And I knew they were playing the Rams in Week 16. And I was like, you know, I watched Darnold losing the Vikings in the playoffs. I watched Darnold throw four picks against his team like a month ago. And I'm like, I don't want to go into the semis. And then Sam Darnold get like five points and I lose because of that. So I was like, let me make a trade. And I traded Craig, James and Williams. I killed hyphens, really. Yeah. So I could get Jackson Dart. And what's funny about this thinking at the time, that was not a good trade for Craig. So. Oh, really? Yeah. I had a pretty and Lamar. So I thought you could have gotten more. Anyway, continue. Wow. I. Well, the irony is that if I didn't do that trade, he might win this week. Yes, it's true. Thank you for doing it. But what's funny about it is that. I was right because 50 53 minutes into the Rams Seahawks game, Darnold had four and a half points. And then guess what? Darnold finished with 20. Jackson Dart had point oh two, which fun fact, literally Sam Darnold was 1000 times better than Jackson Dart this week. And. Oh. Tough. There's a savvy move by he had 33 yards passing. Dude, the first in a whole game in 15 times. You know what the worst added? They were running the ball. You know what's crazy? The Giants first, I think 18, 7, 18 of the first 19 plays. The Giants ran in Minnesota territory and they got three points in the first half. Change my last name to Presti. Whatever. Yeah. Seven of 13 for 33 yards in a pick. Two rushes for seven yards. What was he doing the whole game? That's like a Taysum Hill line. I never know what he's doing. What is it? Well, had a way better. Taysum Hill had a way better game today. Anyway, Taysum Hill, you want to know who scored more fantasy points? Max Brosmer played half the game. 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Mike Tomlin, 19 years running with a winning record. Steelers are nine and six, which I'm sure means that they will lose their next two games and finish nine and eight. However, it's great to welcome Mike Tomlin. I don't know what I was thinking. I can't. I just. That was all wrong and it felt wrong in the moment. And I'm happy to be in the comfort in the warm blanket of Mike Tomlin once again. The. And we can we. So can we argue about another controversial end of game play because I'm ready to defend the refs hard on this one. Hell, yes. What do we got? What do we got? I think the refs lie. This I'm sorry. I could ref refs Lions just subconsciously. The Steelers Lions ending. Rest. Truly, it was the right call. Great call. It was the right call. Can you explain if you didn't if you didn't see it or you can't quickly remember it? All right. The Lions are down five. They have the ball on basically the 10 yard line and there's like six seconds left. It's the last play of the game. They need to score a touchdown. Golf throws the ball to Amonra, St. Brown, who catches it on the one. Amonra never crosses the goal line with the ball. He starts to get tackled. And as he's getting tackled, he then laterals the ball to Jared Goff, who's kind of near him for some reason. Golf catches the ball, hurdles into the end zone. Touchdowns like no time of the clock. No time of the clock. It's played the season. Craziest play this season. Flag. Then the refs. I was really hoping that they would call this a touchdown so people would stop talking about the Seahawks. But good. The refs deliberated for, I think, like five real time minutes. It was the longest deliberation without a review. I've ever seen guys have been put an air cast card at all faster. Yes. The refs. Like, DeMar Hamlin was was that that took just as long as this. They weren't they weren't up in the little camera booth, like looking at the play, trying to figure it out. They were just talking to each other for like legitimately five minutes. Yes. And they came back because there was a flag immediately. They didn't like throw it afterward. The flag was an offensive pass interference on Amonra, St. Brown. And so because of that, that that the play ran out the clock. You can't end the game or you can't if it was a time down. Yes, if an offense commits a penalty with no time left, the game ends. And so because of an offensive PI, even though they square a touchdown, there's no time left. The game's over the steal as well, which is a great call because when you watched it, Amonra pushes. I think it's Jalen Ramsey pushes it completely off of him. Like it was an egregious push off for him to get open to catch the ball. So they got it right. The best part is the ref goes. The call in the field is a touchdown and the crowd loses their fucking minds. He goes, but it was an offensive pass or a fair as the game is over. He says, however, but I'm a literal doctor. It's a touchdown. All right. I'll see. I think he anticipated. No, he said it pretty quickly. He he's blew right through it. He went, the call in the field is a touchdown, however. So he knew. No, you're right. You're right. It's funny or my way, though. Yeah, it's funny or my way. I like it better my way. I I think that this game, that call was the most blue balls ending you could possibly have for a football game where the referees are like, OK, so yes, that was a game winning touchdown, scoring lateral to the quarterback. However, there was a flag and then there games over. There were some people crying, I will say that. They lose saying that it wasn't that egregious of an API. I agree with that. No, I think the standard. Many people are saying the standard of flags. There is a very high bar for flags to come out on contact. I know the final. It's looser on the final play. I get it just is. This was not a Hail Mary. This was like a route that he put. It is why he was open is because he threw the guy off of him. Well, it's Jalen Ramsey. But also I just. I think it was. Wasn't it kind of like a ball, don't lie situation to though, because he was like very clearly stopped in his tracks for a score. He laterally. No, I know. But like his forward progress was stopped for like a full two seconds. Yes, that was I was also like, you know, I ran the tape back 10 times praying I heard a whistle, which I don't think I don't think. No, because it was the last one. They actually called it a touchdown. And again, there was a point of emphasis this week to let plays run, which is why those rest were in trouble is because they fucking whistled the play dead on the two book version. Not that that's there. This was just crazy. Watching this live was I was actually saying the lines were going to win. I couldn't believe they didn't win. Oh, me too. Yeah. If football is so funny where they literally need a team of fucking lawyers to huddle after every goddamn player, they're like, what do we say? The rulebook is like a hundred pages. This isn't in the casebook. Bylaws. It would have been like one of those really crazy ways for the Steelers to lose because Boswell just shank that kick. Like what? How often will that happen? Another I hate fantasy so much is like a 30 yard kick. Yes. Stashing Chris Boswell because I was like this Steelers lines game. Boswell is going to have a bunch of field goals and it's in a dome and I'm not going to have to worry about getting a kicker in the middle of December and then he fucking doings a kick and I'm like, I hate fantasy. And I never do you think the hold was kind of real, real question. And I know that there's like dudes all around them and like trying to like, you know, lobby for whatever, whatever they think happened. Do you think the refs, the reason it took so long is because they were like, how are we going to get out of this? Are we really doing this? OK, hold on. They're like looking for the exits. What do we say? What do we say here? How are we getting out of here? So I'm going to go with the call in the field was a touchdown, however. And you got to go right into however. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. Because we got to say it's a while while I'm talking about text to a girl. And they're like, is that's no, no, that's too that to be true. Right. Right. It's not desperate. Yeah. I have to say it's a touchdown, right? Like I can't not say that, right? No. OK. All right. It's like, can we get can we get by? I get to did anybody blow their whistle? Hold on. Come over here. Did you blow your whistle? You know what else is great? You know, it's controversial because there's like five or six refs, right? When three of them are talking and the other two feel the need to push the other players away, like it's like crowd control, the get back guys. Like they formed a way of a get back. They formed a wall like like the refs are celebs like all the other players because they don't want to hear what the rest are talking about. That's when you know they're going to be pissed. That was that was a wild ending. The Steelers were the better team in this game, though. And I would argue they deserve to win the game. I thought for sure the Lions were going to win, though. Oh, oh, my God. It was like it felt like just inevitable almost. That would have been their third straight touchdown drive. They had three to two straight. They were the fourth quarter. They were moving the ball. So, wow, almost had that game winner. I would argue they had four touchdowns in three drives because they scored a touchdown two plays earlier that was called back. That a modern run to immediately is a big play. I have to say, though, I'm so mad. Every time a receiver like they like touchdown cool, offensive pass interference usually know exactly what happened because it's like any time is op on the end zone. It's because they pick play and it's like a receiver ran across and route and just and it always infuriates me because it's. Stop trying to block like this happens every week. A receiver like tries to like hit the defender to throw a pick. And I'm like, they were saying like you're getting the ball. Why are they trying to say it was within a yard, which I don't know if it was or not. By the way, they do the pool report for the at the end where they interview one of the referees. I can't remember exactly how it works, but they like explain some of these big calls. And some in the in the Lions reporter asked about that. And he was like, can you explain to me like why that was called a pick play? The Lions thought that it was within one yard, which would have made it legal if he did. He did impede the, you know, the defender or whatever. And the ref goes, well, they called it a pick play. So therefore it must have been more than a yard down the field. That's socratic reasoning right there. So it's like a ruin this for everybody because the end we actually decided to review our pay and we decided it was right. Well, it's that way because that's the way it is. OK, thanks for that. Glad we have you here. Thanks for answering our questions. It's like going to the Terry, like the family guy, like the weather. And that was cold. Thanks. It's going to rain. Craig, what was your favorite broadcast referee moment today where they were just like, yeah, this was the clearly the incorrect call. Dude, Sunday night, Sunday night football, Pat's Ravens. K. Sean Booty was a salt. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for like 10 straight seconds, basically in slow motion as he's trying to catch this pass. But I think he like almost knocked himself out, falling to the ground. The most clear P.I. I saw all day. They don't call. They don't even think about calling it. Collins or this losing his fucking mind. And then they bring in McCauley and McCauley is like, oh, yeah, that's a clear P.I. He goes, how would you defend this call? He goes, I wouldn't. I couldn't clear his day. That's a P.I. I'm like, what are we? I don't understand. Don't get Craig. Craig's whole corner now in this podcast is just the fucking referee announcer guys that come on. That's like your whole corner. I fucking when they say that the Steelers games right, then you're just. I think it's like the weirdest wrinkle that they've added to the broadcast. You're like, what am I supposed to do with this? Is these refs coming in? These experts who just are constantly telling us that the refs on the field are incorrect and I find you forget what it was like to just find out that it was a bad call like days later. You're like, what the fuck? That's way better. They didn't split bringing it up in the moment. You're just like, what is all of this? If it's wrong all the time in the reps can't even agree. What are we doing? Now you're asking questions you want to visit of us. I don't want to know. Craig, don't ask these questions. Stop looking by the stop showing me behind the curtain. How is it better for the NFL? McCauley's like, yeah, they blew that one. I don't understand. It's definitely not. It's definitely not. Anyway, the Steelers beat the Browns next week. They're locked in the playoffs. I was going to say, I mean, this is talk about so over. I think we KT is so over. They're going to be nothing happening. I could have this wrong and I apologize if I have this wrong, but I'm pretty sure if the Bears win next week, but I'm sorry, if the Packers win next week, then the NFC playoff field is just set outside of Panthers Bucks. There would be one relevant playoff spot left between the Panthers and Bucks and everything else in the NFC would be set and they're just seeding. Yes, they'd be seeding. That still matters a lot. I know, but there'd be one play like one playoff spot to speak for and the AFC, if the Steelers beat the Browns this week, I don't and they Colts lose a money of football. Then there are no AFC. All the entire AFCs field will just be set entering week 18. Right. Yeah. Which is not wild cards will be L.A. Buffalo and Houston. So again, there will be seeding. The one seed would be interesting, which maybe that's better in a way because instead of shitty teams flying for a wildcard, you get to watch good teams play for one seed. Maybe that's actually better. Even though Denver plays the chiefs. So Denver is going to be playing fucking. Well, no, that's on Christmas. Oh, yeah, you're right. The Broncos. Sweet. We get to spend more time with our families. The Christmas slate is over, too. No, no, we're so back because the Christmas slate is so fucking terrible. Finally, we're free. Craig's other corner. Yeah, dude, the Christmas day. Here's what we have lined up. The Cowboys team is not going to make the playoffs versus Josh Johnson on the commanders. That's game one. We get the Lions playing Max Brozmer, most likely game two. And then we're closing with the Broncos versus Chris Allotikin. That's the three game lineup. Enjoy the time with your family. Let go home to your wife almost. Go spend time with your family. This is erotic to me. Christmas day. This smaller egg. Take that NFL. This very small window. Watch them like flex all those out. Just the last second. Buffalo Wild Wings, this small window of time where if you make your fantasy championship, it's going to be like a three year window where they have games on Christmas, but also we haven't gone to an 18 game schedule yet, where only people make their championship will know this weird feeling of it's Christmas morning and you're like with your family, maybe with your children and you're trying to be in the moment Christmas morning. And you're like, do I fucking play Kenneth Gaitwell or do I play Jaylor Warren? And you're just like all morning, you're like, oh, my God, I'm so lucky to be with my fans. I just like, do I play Jake Ferguson or Hale Fannin? Honey, did you park the car yet? You're like, I can't decide if I should start Breton Strange or Tyler Warren. You're like burning bacon. Like fuck, we're going to be late. Oh, that's good. Oh, the other we're what else is new. We're disrespecting the Carolina Panthers. But the Panthers are so back. And so is Bryce Young. I like that we talked about rehabs, number one picks. And then we did Bryce Young an hour later. I've given up and come back to the Panthers more times this year than Craig's given up and come back to the Steelers, I think. The Panthers beat the Vox 23 to 20 today, by the way. And this is on us. This is on hyphens to me, I think. No more betting on Panthers games ever. Like we can't we can't keep doing this to ourselves. Craig, you weren't there. So that's probably it's me and hyphens. It's I gave you the bets I liked. You listen to one of them. It's all right. That was Craig. Craig's suggestions went through, you know, which is funny. Well, because he wasn't there. You were there. I spent one minute in the car. Craig, I went next time. Next time just don't go on vacation. All right. No, because then we would have talked. No, then he would have talked to himself out of them and he wouldn't even have this moment. Anyway, yeah, the the Broncos are sorry. The Panthers beat the Vox. Now they are in first place in the in the NFC South. And weirdly enough, Bryce Young is like becoming sort of just this late game here. I saw this stat from David Newton from ESPN. Today, Bryce Young put together his 12th game winning drive in the fourth quarter overtime since he came into the NFL. That's the most by any quarterback in that span since he came to the NFL. They are losing. I hate that stat, but they're losing a lot. I hate the game. You hate the stat, but then we make fun of guys who can't win in the fourth quarter. Yeah, but I hate that stat. It's not worth getting to. I just think it's super flawed. I mean, I understand how it's like having a bad team sets you up to have more of those like as a volume thing. But I don't like that. Josh Allen doesn't get a game winning drive for the 13 second game. Like he's going to tell us. Josh Allen's bad. I know, I just I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I think. But yeah, it's weird that Bryce Young. When he's not giving you the Ickon being like a like a middle school child on the field is actually back with this module of winning game. Right. Right. It's just confusing is what I'm saying. And you know what? Deserves credit. Also the Buccaneers absolute fucking collapse. What's going on there? This team is what they've lost, I think six out of the last seven games. Baker Mayfield is terrible now. He's hurt, man. I know, but like, why is he playing then? He's fucking terrible. Get somebody else out there that's not hurt. You lost six out of seven games. That was that was going to be my father's shirt. So we just stepped on that, but that's fine. Yeah, man, this game, I think you're right. DK about not betting on Carolina. I mean, they beat the Rams. They lose to the terrible teams. Bryce Young, I think is the only court. I think for every starting quarterback in the league, I can definitively give a yes or no on do I think the team should stick with that quarterback for the foreseeable future? Like I you can go through. I'm like CJ Stroud. Yes. You know, like Tyler Schuck, I would say no. But Bryce Young is the only quarterback in the league. I'm like, I have no fucking idea. Well, I don't know. Can we can remember saying for the playoffs? We've said I've said a lot that every team in the playoffs could beat anyone on a given week, except the Panthers. Panthers are going to win the NSC South. They're going to beat the Bucks and we get the Panthers going to win the NSC South. They're going to go. We're all going to be mad about it. And we're going to say, well, this is the easiest team to bet against in the playoffs. Guess what? The Panthers are going to win that fucking game. The Panthers are going to win that wild card round. Every time you count out a division winner, they give it a game. And I'm not maybe they won't win, but I don't want to bet against the Panthers. Because you know why? Everyone in the world will bet against Carolina in round one. It's going to be one of them, like 90 percent, 10 percent splits. You know, they're going to play, right? The fucking Rams. I'm not. The spread is going to be ten. And I'm going to take it. And I'm saying the Rams could win, but it's going to be like. I refuse. Because you know why? Every year we're like, they have no chance. Like the Taylor Heinecke Washington team almost beat Tom Brady in the bucket news, yeah, and they were seven, eight, one or whatever. Like it always goes. The Marshall and the team. We don't want to play for different reasons. They're not like super hot or anything. You know, like you always talk about this weird. No one wants to face in the playoffs because they're getting caught at the right time. It's not necessarily the Panthers. It's just it's embarrassing to lose to this team. So you get tight and you start to worry about it. You can't lose to the guy with one arm. I think you just like you can't. They're just like a dog that. The owner is like, I don't know something. He just doesn't like some people like I just kind of you don't know what they're going to do. What an analogy. That's really funny. Yeah, how does fucking team beat the Rams and then lose to the Saints? I just I don't know. It's dude, Bryce. It's just doesn't like some people. He also got tripped like from the center and got a sack as he just fell. It's just it's so funny every week. OK, intrusive thoughts. Craig, you got any? Justin Herbert, I feel like should be more in the MVP conversation than we are giving him credit for. We do the Josh Allen like maybe he's the whole team argument. Justin Herbert is the whole fucking Chargers team. And that guy is dragging no line. Yeah, this guy's got one hand. He's he runs like Josh Allen now. He's unbelievable in every game. He gets the shit kicked out of him. He has the worst offensive line in the league and is dating Madison Beer. Sure, toss that in. Tired. Sure, all that. Absolutely. I mean, he got no sleep. Sorry, go ahead. No, I just I'm like, I don't know why we don't give him the credit that we give some of the other Josh like he is closer to Josh Allen in terms of what he is doing for his team than not. He broke his hand. He got hand surgery, played on Six Days Notice. And now it's two weeks out from hand surgeon. His other hand, he's like stiff, arming guys in the face with his broken hand. He broke his hand and then it has won every game since. Can they technically still win the division or is that out? Yeah, they can't. No, one game back. Yeah, the Broncos have to lose to the Chiefs next week on Christmas, which suddenly feels damn impossible. Yeah, I'm with you, Craig. It's number one. He's on the Chargers. You know, it's just a thing. And he's kind of dirty. I don't know. No one. Yeah, no one wants to acknowledge that. No one wants to just talk about the Chargers being MVP. My intrusive thought this week. Did you guys see that these Steelers Lions game, that final drive, there was a tripping penalty? Yeah. My intrusive. My intrusive thought was, why can't you trip people in football? I have that written down as well. This is pro tripping. This is football. Yeah, I can't trip you. I can blindside you and knock you out and I can't trip you. I don't think you can really do that anymore. OK. You run full speed and tackle people in their solar plexus. They call it as it looks bad at this point, Craig. Yeah, fair. Still, we're talking about the most violent game in the world and you can't trip somebody. It is kind of weird. It is kind of weird. Why can't you not trip someone? You can literally go full speed. It's a safety thing, right? It's like football. It's a safety thing. That's by far the safest way to bring someone down. And they're like, you can't land on a corner in their body. Jared Goff is just running and then Heisman just sticks out his leg and just trips somebody. He just falls to the ground and they're like, no, no, no. That's dangerous. It's stupid. That's the dangerous part of football. It's the tripping. You like you can approach a quarterback's blindside, shoulder into the spine and drive him into the ground, maybe not the driving into the ground part, but like you can still blindside a guy fine and you can't trip anyone. I ran this by Carlos earlier. Carlos was like, well, you love tripping. That's a slippery slope. To what? Tackling? I, that's what I said. What's next? They can tackle you? Yeah, I just feel like it should be loud and true. When you put it in the same category, not that I actually really care about this, but when you put it in the same category as like the face mask and the what you call a horse collar and things like that, where it's like, that's for your spine. So your head and your neck. You don't die. The shins get kicked in the shins. It's like a razor scooter. I just don't really understand why some guys like the mime. The mime just taking a razor scooter to the shins. We can't have this on the football field. I just don't. It's like if somebody's running, you're allowed to grab their their their ankles and basically lasso their ankles together as they fall to the ground, but you can't trip them. It's not just a classic tripping. I think it would genuinely is just like, I'm sure maybe there's injuries that could happen. I feel like it's more like it wouldn't be very entertaining. Also, you can trip with your arm. You just can't trip with your leg. Yes, that's so weird about it. Like if you're on your hands and knees and a running back. Disonorable. You can reach out with your arm with your feet. You can swipe their legs. That's why did they make this rule? Their class would say it's dishonorable. Maybe it leads to kicking, but maybe leg whipping. I don't like can you mostly you can just go kick. You just go. Sorry. You can't just go kick someone in the balls. I know it's just funny that like just the way it happened to like the kick from the ship. He just fell down like that. That it's like the bet. It's the lightest and least violent form of tackling possible. I agree. I also had it written down. Maybe they took it out of the room. They took it out of the rules because it was too silly. You got guys. It's a tripping. You should be able to jump kick people. Who cares? I was thinking, you know what? If they allowed trip, I started thinking a lot about tripping. They know what would happen is like Miles Garrett would figure out right as the guys coming by and he's blocked. He would grab the tackle by both shoulders and then launch himself. And he would like fling himself with two legs and just like kind of cut the guy out from under him. Yeah, be pretty cool. I mean, aren't you still allowed to rip people down by their hair? Yes, you can rip someone down by their hair. We can't trip lightly. Can't stick your foot out. That's that's your best point yet, Craig. But you can't trip them. But I know the argument is like, well, it's your decision to have long hair. So what role did he break DK? I mean, he broke the tripping rule. Yeah, I know. What a stupid. I'm fine with you guys. Oh, flag tripping. Five yards. So stupid. It's like a yoink. You have to say yoink. Yoink. My other intrusive thought was I watched Tasting Little Throat touchdown pass today and I was like, why don't other players throw? Why is there only one guy that does all this shit? Just the token white guy that does all this stuff. The 36 year old coming off an ACL injury. I'm like, he's the only other guy who could do this without a big trick. Nice throw to. It was a nice throw. Yeah. So I don't understand why quarterbacks don't punt. Because you can't because your legs would get tired, Craig. Yes. From all the tripping. Yeah. Sorry, a quick award here. And it just invented the is she really into me or snap out of it? This is a strip club award for Quentin Johnson looking like Tarella Owens versus the Dallas Cowboys secondary today. Yeah. What do you think, Craig? Quentin Johnson is good and I stand by it. And I think he's just getting healthy and he's just getting started. Look out in the playoffs, QJ. Quentin Johnson looked like we were really vibing in there. We have the same interests. She took me to the back room. She doesn't do that a lot, she says. Yeah, she said this never happens. Play of the day. We didn't mention the Kenneth Gain. Well, the catch where he just with like 13 seconds left, they somehow threw a bomb down the side line. Kenneth Gain will catch is it shakes the Anzalone, the Targaryen, Detroit Lions linebacker and then land stands up and runs to the end. So yeah, I don't even know the physics didn't make any sense. Like his forearm like absorbed all of this energy and speed of the ball. And it just kind of stopped and landed in between his two hands. And he got up and ran to the end. So fucking crazy. Like the craziest catch I've seen all year, which ended up being the difference in the game was that if they didn't get that touchdown at the end, they got a field goal. It's a five point game like the Steelers might not even win. OK, any other place? Nico Collins calling game. He the Raiders almost beat the Texans, which we didn't really talk about that much today, but Stroud threw it up to him down the sideline. Nico Collins went up and caught it. He like managed to get his elbow in just before he went out of bounds. It was an incredible catch. And that was the ending of the game. So I almost don't want to acknowledge the Raiders Texans game. I want to watch next week's game and then talk and then analyze this one. I like that. Tom Brady. Any announcer stuff? I think it's a tough week for I think the Seahawks Rams game. Al Michaels. Oh my God, dude. So the Michael Shahid touchdown. So I have I have these two clips queued up with Christ. And I want to play that because I think so. The Rishi Shahid touchdown. He doesn't give it a lot of juice, obviously. This is a pivotal moment in the game. He doesn't give a lot of juice. I'm almost convinced that at the end of the Shahid run, someone in his ears like how you got to ramp this up. This is an important moment because it's like the most unnatural cadence and inflection. Shahid. Yes. At the very end, he's like, Raid Shahid touchdown. Let's play the clip. You'll hear him start mellow and then ramp it up as a preface. It's important to note that he didn't start ramping up until she he was like at the five yard line. Yes, because someone's in his ear like, Al, wake up, Al, wake up. It's like clapping next to a dog. Like like a deaf dog. We can play it. Tampa Bay and Brady and B. San Francisco coming from behind in the championship game. Meanwhile, that putt is putt and down the line goes Rashid Shahid. For the score. For the score. I think is it someone in his ear or is it him being like there goes? And then he looked at the little paper in front of him and he's like looking for the number frantically. He's like, Rashid Shahid. But then I think by the end of the game, they were like, Hey, Al, you got to kind of lock in. This is kind of one of the all time great games. So then the AJ Barnard touchdown. Al's kind of back. Let's play that one. Play clock at three. Rolling left. Throwing back the other way. He's got a man. Putt. Yeah. Barnard touchdown. That was classic Michaels. I like that one. I thought you were trying to trick us. No, actually, I think somebody was like, Al, ramp this up. He was great. I don't know what they gave him, but he woke up a steak. He needed a half time steak. Yeah. No, I think it's important to know the literal somebody pointed this out to me after I read because a big cat like tweeted out the how Michaels call it. He's like goosebumps. Goosebumps out. Goosebumps. He literally didn't even say that it was fielded by Shahid until Shahid was like to the 15 yard line. He's talking about. It already beaten like six or seven defenders and was almost into the end zone. And he's like fielded by Rashid Shahid. I know. And then like Herb Street's like watching Bama Oklahoma high. Now he's he's prepping for the college who called in the biggest moment of the game called Sam Darnold Sam Bradford. Oh, also Herb Street. I was lost a little respect for him because Al Michaels was talking about how Puka Nakua only eats steak and doesn't eat meat, doesn't eat vegetables. Didn't call him on it. And I was like, Kirk's going to call him on it right here. Right. I don't know. And maybe I missed it. Too scared. Maybe I missed it. Do you think he knows? Definitely. He's too busy watching Bama. He's too busy flying back and never gets dinner with Al Michaels. Yeah, I will say maybe maybe said it and I was just waiting for Kirk Herb Street to make a joke that all Michaels also doesn't eat vegetables. And it just maybe I missed it. I just I never came. He's not he's not comfortable enough yet in the relationship with Al. Because Al would probably fucking death glare. Well, maybe I was sleeping. Yeah. I didn't want to wake him. He's like, I eat a man's food, you little shit. Oh, God. How old is Al? He's 84. Two. Ever since Craig said that he did the miracle and I was 45 years ago. I was like, I like, OK, yeah, I see. Al Al's going to turn into my new Clint Eastwood bit where Clint Eastwood was really old back in the 80s. Like Al was like pretty old back in the 1975s. Clint Eastwood made the movie unforgiven as like his swan song in 1992. Yeah, we were not born. That was like the old cowboy before you guys were born. It's like how the coaches used to retire from like old age. John Madden coached like eight years and he's like, I can't imagine doing this any longer. I'm like, 46. Clint Eastwood was an old decrepit man in in unforgiven like he talked to that chair at the convention like 13 years ago. He's 95. Oh, oh, my God. He talked to a chair when he made the. What was the movie he made where he was like protecting the president? Oh, in the line of fire. Yeah, he was very pretty old when he made that. He was like borderline too old to be in that movie because he can't run along with the limo. And I know the point is he's kind of old, but it's still it strains. Credility. Straight. Should be a category each week. Although they're going to find out when that. If it's that's one of those phrases that like is only like no one says credulity, except no one says it out loud. Credulity. No one says credulity. Yeah, that's so true. I know who actually deserves an Oscar's Timothy Shallow day for that leaked Zoom meeting that was fake, but like the best. Like when they pretended that it was a marketing meeting on Zoom. That's which I got to tell you I watched it. And if I didn't know, I never would have done. Oh, stop. I would have figured out eventually. But the bit don't be so naive. Well, I watched the first 30 seconds and I was like, this looks pretty real. I mean, I saw it was fake. But the bit that like the touch that his background would be himself getting an award on the laptop was pretty yelling about like the Statue of Liberty painted orange and the 824 people are like, no, no, yeah, I like that. That's good. No, at the part where they're like he's he's just like. So can I can I share? Can you guys see my screen? Can you see it? Can I drive to be the host? And then yeah, his folders. He opens the folders and it's like good ideas. One good ideas to. He's like, my guy worked on this for six months. It's just like an orange square. This this reminds me. I sent this to you guys over the weekend. The there is a video out there right now. And this is part of the I learned after this is part of the Marty Supreme promo tour, which I had. I had no idea because I haven't seen the movie and I don't really know. It's not out yet. OK, well, that explains why I haven't seen it. Also, I just don't go to movies really. But well, also they're like it's a it's a yeah, he like played ping pong. And I'm like, that's like the worst pitch ever for a movie. I do need a weird. Right. There there's a thing. Some video. This is the most mad live thing I've never felt older and I've never felt more out of touch than when I watch this on on Instagram. And it was like Timothy Chalamet and Druski. Talk to this. I don't I can't even remember what it said because it was just like a foreign language to me and I had no idea what was happening. It's like Chalamet or Chalamet is like Chalamet. Chalamet is like sitting in a chair and there's all these guys with big ping pong balls on their head and the guy comes in and does a dance. And he any like blows him a kiss at the end. He goes received. And he's like, that was perfect. Sends him over to Druski. Druski. And I barely know who Druski is, by the way. Druski does this thing and throws him out. I didn't I didn't understand the title. I didn't understand one second of the video. I had no idea what the context was, what this is for, what they're auditioning for. What the dance was. Case Mogg and Batboy caught flip the grunt. What any of the things they were saying meant. I've never felt more out of touch in my life. It was like fucking mad libs. This is your Lucille Blue moment. Yeah, seriously. I don't understand. Plater planner. I don't understand the question. I was Pukitaku with the stream. It's like, dude, it's Pukitaku on Aided Raw Stream caught doing Selly. And I'm like, I. Jay, Jay Smog and Zushka caught flipping a grunt. Grunt with Batboy. I was like, God damn it. I don't know what any of this is. What do you know what it is? What is it? Explain it to me. No, I I I watch that I knew very little. That makes me feel so much better. Thank you. OK. Well, speaking of Lucille Blue, I don't understand the question and I won't respond to it. I just wanted to note that the Jets hired a cornerback, a former cornerback to their head coach, Aaron Glenn, and in exchange, the Jets have no interceptions this season. They have the longest. Actually fucking crazy. They have the longest streak. Of any games, not just in a season, any streak of games without an interception for any team since the forward pass was legalized in 1940 or whatever year it was. So literally the history of the NFL, the longest streak ever. And they Jets have two weeks left to get an interception or they will maybe forever be the only team to not intercept a pass in an entire season. Wow. Their head coach is a cornerback. It's like you. Incredible. I see your Jets stat and I raise you another. So Garrett Wilson last caught a pass for the Jets on October 12th, and he leads the Jets in receiving the season with three hundred and ninety five yards, three hundred and ninety five. Oh, my God. That's brutal. Wait, what is the lowest yardage someone's led a team with in receiving and like that? That had to be like beady feathers way back in the day. Probably was beady feathers. Milt plum. Milt plum. Oh, my God. God, I still just just even hearing those names. Cup, Cup, either Lucille Blues, Buzz Nutter. Oh, I got a couple actually here. Hold on. We forgot to talk about this because we kind of passed over it. But Josh Johnson came into another fucking game today or not. Sorry, this weekend. And if you don't know who Josh Johnson is, my clue, here's one clue. Back in two thousand eighteen in the year of our Lord twenty eighteen, I tweeted out that Josh Johnson is is been signing with teams before you were born and he'll be doing it long after you died. That was like almost eight years ago. He's fucking Clint Eastwood. Josh Johnson was old. He was an old decrepit man on the first of four times he was on the forty niners. Dude, Josh Johnson, he is now play for 14 different NFL teams. Most NFL history. He has multiple stints. He has four stints with the forty niners, two stints with the jets, three stints with the Ravens for with the Niners. They probably just keep his locker up. Oh, yeah, honestly, they keep his nameplate and they're just like it's like a Velcro equipment, losing money every time we get rid of that. We can't keep doing that. Keep having to print new ones. Yeah. He's been with the Ravens three times and the commander's twice. Josh Johnson, man, he's going to go down in history. I don't know for what, but he will. Put him in the Hall of Fame. Can't believe you have that eight years. Put it put his 14 different NFL teams jerseys in the Hall of Fame. Dude, I tweeted that in 2018. It was like ridiculous in 2018. What he was doing. Speaking of guys, just stick it around way longer than you thought. I was just this is not football, but I was just dumbfounded that video this week of LeBron James and they asked him about a young player. Yes, who is coming up and LeBron looks at it and he's like, Oh, sorry, man. I don't I don't really watch basketball anymore. I kind of just watch golf on YouTube. And he like rattled off like three golf YouTubers. He's I watched Bryson DeShambo. Yeah, I know. I don't really watch. You're talking to the wrong guy. He's like, he was good against us, though. I was shocked. I kind of get it. You know, this is the sauce garden. No one had this. That's why the Lakers can't win a title until they get rid of LeBron. No one's ever gotten better when they start playing golf. Did you send me the video of him like practicing chipping or something on the side? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, no. National anthem. He's like, terrible. I've seen people do that. Those people don't do anything at work. Yeah, nothing. He was working on his takeaway. It didn't look bad either. Those people. Do you think he brought like his putter to like the locker room? He's got a little cup he's putting into. The people who like are just in the office. First of all, they're good. But the people who are just kind of doing little like swings and follow-throughs all the time in the middle of the day. I. You know, I just just go retire now, Bron. I know. That's one of your better takes. I think that's it's also like it's funny because he kind of treats that he's actually so old that he treats it like regular elderly people at work. Like that's how 65 year old people are at work. Right. I'm going to go play golf. Yeah, but his NBA age is like 65, so it's fine. Yeah. Any other things you want to hit? No. Save Jake Paul and Andrew Tate for another day. My buddy did tweet out a video of that, of Jake Paul getting knocked out. And the video got like he recorded it on his TV and then posted it to Instagram. And it got like five million likes. It's like the most it's the most viral thing I've ever seen in my life. People. It turns out people were hoping to see that. It's photo watching Kail. I'm happy to announce that while I was on vacation, I did not watch or consume a single second of anything Jake Paul related. Can I recommend a specific second? The one where he gets knocked out. Just do it. Just do what he's going to do one second. It's enough, which which you're a proponent of, right, Craig? One second. Yeah. Normally, maybe a little more. Give it five seconds. Two tight ends to outscrew Kyle Pitts and a lie. I got big news, boys. There's not two tight ends. Kyle Pitts is the number two title this week. Only Harold Fannin scored more. Tell you how it's I'll admit he's good. Pretty good. Looks pretty good. Shout out, Kyle Pitts. OK. Burn book. I mean, I think it's Jackson Dart. He had point oh two is so fucking. Thirty three yards in a full game. He had two two hundredths of a mercilessly made fun of Justin Fields this year. Hyphens, you and I did. We have to make fun of Jackson Dart. It's so dude, I think point oh two is so much worse than zero. I'd so much rather have zero than some point oh two. It draws attention to the number. You have to think about it. And now it's like if you somehow whatever, if you're playing for third now, because you just lost with him, like now they're playing the Raiders, like what? Do you start over? No, you can't start somebody after they put a point on him or something like that. The Raiders. Yeah, you can't just forgive him that quickly. All right, so we're burning Dart. I am. Am I we're light? Someone else. Is there someone else? I mean, it's just such an insulting number. Now, I mean, Dart was really I mean, all those guys we listed were terrible, but. Like I like I would I probably wouldn't burn Travis Kelsey because again, he was catching passes from who? What was his name? Chris Alotica, Dukin, right. We can't even pronounce it. Oh, well, we can Alotica. Alotica. Yeah, that's it. That's a lot of kin. Hey, oh, all right. When Craig makes things, I would say that's time to get out of here. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening. Check out the Discord. And a link is in the episode description. Emails ringer, fancy football, gmail.com, set us trivia, send us fantasy courts. Yeah. And then good luck to everyone in the fight and the championships. And I hope you enjoy your Christmas mornings pretending to love your children and give gifts while you're just trying to figure out if you should play like Dalton Schultz this week or Hello Fan. And thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Melanie Thornton. That's the that's the Coca-Cola song, woman. Yeah. Oh, it is coming. Oh, it is coming. Oh, it is coming. Oh, it's Coca-Cola. We didn't know if that song was made up by the Coca-Cola conglomerate. It's not. It was this woman in the early aughts, right? When was it? Oh, is it that long ago? What did you say? I don't know. Hold on. Okay. You can't remember? Austin sent me this info. It was like 20. You were singing this before the show started. How old is the woman? Who is she? What's her name? Oh, no way. She was part of Labouche. She was part of the Euro dance group Labouche, which I've heard of. What is her name? What's her fucking name? You just said it. Name a woman. Name a woman. Any woman. Name a woman. Name one woman. This is like the Ameliora on the street things. Name a woman. Melanie Thornton Craig. Thank you. My goodness. The name of the song is Wonderful Dream. Holidays are coming. When did it come out? Um, let's see. 2000. Oh, sorry. 2001. You're right. What is her name? Let's try to read. Jesus. Any number and you win. Three. Tell you what, my friend? Despite your best efforts, you may have walked out here with a winner. That song is in my brain. Deeply inserted in my... Holidays are coming. Holidays are coming. Coca-Cola, man. You know what they're doing? CAA. They invented Santa. They, CAA started repping Coca-Cola in the 90s and then they came up with the polar bear Coca-Cola commercial and now Coca-Cola just like is Christmas in my head now. Dude, didn't they invent it what Santa looks like? You're fucking crazy. Didn't they come up with a modern image of Santa? Who? Coca-Cola. The way he looks like, the way we all think of Santa now is like Coca-Cola invented that idea. Oh, really? I think so. That doesn't... They didn't invent Santa, but they invented that image of Santa. Which is what, like he's in the red coat and he's fat with a beard? Yeah. Well, Google Gemini says, no, Coca-Cola did not invent Santa, but it's advertising campaigns starting in 1931 with the illustrator Haddon Sunblom played a massive role in popularizing, standardizing the jolly red-suited white bearded Santa we know today. What? So they gave him fucking Coca-Cola red. Oh my... I didn't even fucking think about that part. Holidays are coming. Holidays are coming. Oh my God. So that's how advertising works. Christmas is the only time of year where I'm like, inject the advertisements right into my blood. Give me an IV. Craig, you know what other song she's saying? What? The Be My Lover song. Be my lover wanna be my lover. You remember that song? It's not the best rendition of all time, but... I don't think I do. Oh, we'll check it out. It's pretty good. I looked at the other one. How did it go? Oh, the days are coming. Oh, the days are coming. Goodbye, everyone.