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Now, the thing is, many of us were never taught how to do all this, and even if we know a little bit about it, the details get complicated. What we know is that tax law in the US is like this haunted patchwork doll that has been added to and amended over time, and you can think of retirement accounts as just one cursed limb of the creation. Boogie. But don't worry, on this episode of LifeKit, I'm going to walk you through this. We will talk about how retirement accounts save you money on taxes, what the two main types of accounts are, and why it often doesn't matter that much which one you prioritize. That's after the break. Cocaine are also going down the drain and into our waterways. That's changing the animals that live in it. It's definitely present in most ecosystems on earth now, unfortunately. We're only sort of really starting to scratch the surface and do understanding the potential consequences of that. Forget cocaine bear. Learn about cocaine salmon on shortwave, in the NPR app, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a financial educator, Amanda is constantly getting this question. What's better, a 401k or a Roth IRA? Her answer? All retirement accounts are good. Retirement accounts are basically bank accounts that hold investments. One reason everybody's always telling you to put money in them is that the stock market allows you to generate much higher returns than if you just put your savings in a regular bank account. This is former Planet Money co-host Mary Childs. As the economy around you is growing and more transactions are happening and businesses are growing, stocks are going to be going up and you want to be a part of that. You don't want to get left behind. That's a reason to invest in general. A good one. But the reason to put your retirement savings into one of these special retirement specific accounts? That is all about taxes. Amanda writes in her book that you can think of retirement accounts as a kind of tax shelter for your investments, a container where your money can grow shielded from taxes while it does. And that's takeaway one. Retirement accounts are not just a vehicle to let your money grow over time for when you're ready to stop working. They also have tax benefits. Now there are two main types of retirement accounts. Because of course they had to make multiple different types of retirement accounts. It couldn't just be simple. On the one hand, you have your traditional accounts. That could be an IRA, a 401K, a 403B, something like that. With these, you take a certain amount of your income and shield it from taxes. Mark Gallegos is a CPA and a tax partner at the accounting firm Porty Brown in the Chicago area. He gave me an example. Let's just say I decided to contribute $20,000 to my 401K. And let's say he currently pays about 25% of his income to the government in taxes. Now he won't have to pay taxes on $20,000 of that income because it's going into a tax shelter. So the math is 25% savings on $20,000. It would save you $5,000 in tax savings. And then after you invest the money, it grows tax-free. As it's growing, as it's earning dividends, interests, capital gains, and the values going up, you're paying zero tax on any of that money in a given year. So that's the cool thing, right? In a way, you're using the government's money to help grow your retirement. You will only pay taxes once you start making withdrawals, ideally in retirement. The reason this setup works to a lot of people's advantage is that you will very likely have a lower tax rate when you retire than you do now because your income will probably be lower. So take somebody with a 25% tax rate. They retire with $1 million in their 401k, and they withdraw what they need to live their life. But they don't have the same level of income in that given year because now they're retired, maybe they have a little bit of investment income like interest dividends. They got their self-security, but their income is substantially lower. So maybe they're in the 10% tax bracket. So that's the benefit. When you pull the money out, your income is substantially lower because you're really not working anymore, hypothetically. Therefore, you're paying tax on this grown nest egg at a lower tax rate. Takeaway two, with the traditional kind of retirement account, the 401k, the 403b, the IRA, you take a certain amount of your income and you shield it from taxes. Then your money grows tax-free and you only pay taxes when you start withdrawing it later on. And the thinking here is that you'll likely have a lower tax rate in retirement than you do now because your income will probably be lower. After the break, I'll walk you through the other main type of retirement account and its benefits. And we'll also talk about how to choose between them. Spoiler, you don't necessarily have to choose. This week on Consider This, a stunning shift at the Department of Justice since President Trump took office, public corruption investigations have plummeted nearly 90%. The long-term concerns, I'd argue, are it diminishes faith and federal prosecutions. We unpack what it means for the DOJ and how our government operates on Consider This. Listen on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts. Before the break, we talked about traditional retirement plans. On the other hand, you have Roth accounts and you'll recognize these because they all say Roth in the title. Roth IRA, Roth 401k, Roth 403b. Roth is the reverse. You are paying income taxes up front, but later on, you won't have to pay any income taxes when you pull the money out. Which means you'll never pay taxes on your investment profits. Roth accounts are an especially good option for folks who currently have a low tax rate, for instance, because they have a low income. Here's one scenario Mark gave me. Let's just say an 18-year-old is working through school and they're making part-time job and they decide, hey, I've got some earned income, I'm going to contribute a bunch of it to my Roth IRA that I just set up and then I start working and I got a Roth 401k and I'm maxing this Roth out along the way. And now that money grows to two or three million dollars by the time they're 65 years old. When they decide to start taking that money out when they're retired, guess what? They didn't get a deduction along the way for any of that because it's after tax money, but that amount of income coming out, 50,000, 100,000, whatever you're getting given year, tax-free. That's not the only reason to put money in a Roth. Here's another advantage they have over traditional plans. If you make early withdrawals from a traditional plan, you'll pay a penalty, but because you've already paid taxes on your contributions to a Roth, you can withdraw those at any time, penalty-free. There are more restrictions about when you can withdraw the investment gains. You're incentivized to wait until retirement for that money. There are other differences between the accounts too, having to do with income limits and contribution limits. Look at into those details here because they're very complicated and depend in part on what plans are available to you. But take away three. Roth retirement accounts are also tax-advantaged, but they work in a different way. You pay taxes up front, but then you'll never have to pay taxes on all your investment gains. Now Amanda says which type of account you should prioritize right now. Traditional or Roth depends in part on your current tax rate. If you are a higher earner right now, it may make sense to push those taxes until later when you're going to have a much lower tax rate in retirement. If you're somebody that's not earning a lot right now, hey, go ahead and pay the taxes. Give this gift to your future self and never have to worry about income taxes again on that money. But keep in mind, we can't tell the future. Tax law changes a lot. We don't know what rates will be when you retire. So she says. We can debate all day about whether Roth or traditional is better, but I think it obfuscates the point, which is that all retirement accounts are good because all of them allow you to grow your money tax-free. Also Amanda says when you game this out using different scenarios, a lot of the time you end up with a similar amount of money in the end, whether you used a traditional plan or a Roth. Maybe the best thing we can do is give ourself a little bit of tax diversification and do some of both. But the best thing you can do is not let it be a roadblock to getting started and just pick one and get to moving because the much more important thing is what is happening inside of those accounts and the investing happening inside of those accounts. Mark also recommends putting money in both because that gives you flexibility in the future. The more options you have, the more you control you have in retirement, the better you're going to be. One quick note here. If your employer offers you a retirement match, that's free money. Invest in that account to get the full match. All right, so takeaway four is don't sweat which type of retirement account to pick. Traditional Roth. Yes, you can game this based on your income, but also it's better to have any retirement account than no retirement account. Probably the best thing you can do is put money in both. That gives you more options down the line. But if you take one thing from this episode, it's don't let confusion stop you from getting started. Okay, let's do a quick recap. Takeaway one, retirement accounts are not just a vehicle to let your money grow over time for when you're ready to stop working. They also have tax benefits. Takeaway two, with traditional retirement accounts, the 401k, 403b, IRA, you take a certain amount of your income and shield it from taxes. Then your money grows tax free and you only pay taxes when you start withdrawing money later on. The thinking here is that you'll likely have a lower tax rate in retirement than you do now because your income will probably be lower. Takeaway three, Roth retirement accounts are the reverse. You pay taxes upfront, but then you'll never have to pay taxes on all your investment gains. They're also nice because you can withdraw your contributions at any time without penalty. Takeaway four, don't sweat which one to pick or to prioritize, traditional or Roth. Yes, you can game this based on your income, but it's also better to have any retirement account than no retirement account. The best thing you can do is get started and consider putting money in both. Of course, take advantage of any employer match that you're offered. Think of that as part of your salary that you have to sign up for. Before we go, have you heard of LifeKit Plus? It allows you to easily access the best parts of LifeKit with our themed curated playlists on popular LifeKit topics. You can sign up today at plus.npr.org slash LifeKit. This episode of LifeKit was produced by Sylvie Douglas. Our digital editor is Mallika Grebe and our visuals editor is CJ Riegelan. Megan Kane is our senior supervising editor and Beth Donovan is our executive producer. Our production team also includes Andy Tegel, Claire Mauri Schneider and Margaret Serino. Engineering support comes from Nisha Heinis and Ko Takasugi Churnovan. I'm Maryl Cigarra. Thanks for listening. 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