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But anyway, I'm glad about that. Nice thing you can say about me. What are you drinking? I'm in the note. I'm drinking, well, I have a little... Fill the tea, babe. I have my usual tea. My little black tea with some lavender in it. But then I also have an extra surprise. I have a real situation on my hands over here. Oh, what could that possibly mean? At the Shake Shack? I got a real craving lately for their strawberry lemonade. It has been unmatched over here. And Shake Shack is, I think, open until midnight or 1 in the morning here. And so I got this in the middle of the night. I was like, oh, God, I don't know what I would give. Oh, my God. I was, like, foaming at the mouth for it. And so I got me to re. Whoa. Well, you've got to hit that, like, minimum order threshold. Well, yeah, I couldn't justify the purchase of just one strawberry lemonade. with like an $18 delivery fee or just like yuck yeah um but I one of the reasons I I got that many though is because I was going to have one that night and then I knew I was going to be here and then I also want one for the dog park it was I'm really I'm having a moment with the straw blend you know propping yourself up for the next few days which I kind of love you know yeah always be prepared Scott's honor so yeah I love that um I've got my tea got my straw blend I'm very happy over here. What are you drinking? I've got a 99 shrobloms. I've got 99 shrobloms and a drink ain't one. I don't know. Why do you drink ain't one? What do you drink? I'm still ashamed of myself for not realizing that Big B coffee is a Big B. and i ordered it and i felt like it was for my karmic punishment to order it again i haven't ordered it since we recorded that one episode with but now today i was like gotta get me some uh some sustenance i got the spotted owl drink um they have about 75 iced lattes on their menu and they all are like marshmallow teddy bear clouds and stuff like that and i gotta say they're pretty darn good i have been is friend flirting a word where like i have been going to a local coffee place um that's near my house for a long time now and ever since then uh i've had uh i've known all the people's names there because i'm unfortunately or fortunately irregular and i have wanted to be friends with this one person for so long is there the one who works there someone who works there yeah oh i love that i just thought they were so cool they had a cool little vibe and i was like oh my god i would love to hang out with you outside of like you handing me a drink um you serving me in a retail environment the five seconds i get before you're talking to somebody else great it's great but uh but so uh it's finally happening and so oh my god whoa we're We're having a little hangout soon. Very excited about that. How did you ask them to hang out? I literally said, you will be friends in real life. Oh, wow. But enough time had passed that I had a feeling it would be a yes. Okay. Because we see each other quite often. And then every time they come in, it's so nice, they go, Em, oh my God, so glad to see you. And I was, part of me was like, is that a lie? Is that what you say to all your customers? I was going to say, you should hide out and see if that's what they say to all their customers. But it sounds like you've already had this intrusive thought, so. We've also, like, we go to the same pharmacy, so we've bumped into each other there. So, like, it's been very small town. So we've ran into each other a few times accidentally, and now we're going to run into each other on purpose. I'm very excited. Fantastic. What is your date? I think it's just going to be a little dinner, a little dinner moment. Aww. But I, sorry, I feel like I took over your story there by accident. What was my story? I don't even think I had a story. I thought you went to your place and there was a whole bunch of different tea lattes, and that, what happened in my brain when that happened? It was, I remembered my coffee place that has all the tea latte options. Oh, I mean, you just grabbed my hand and I went with you. I don't know where I was going. You know, I didn't know where I was going anywhere. I said something about honey bear marshmallow clouds. You did? I think that was where we stopped. Usually that would be the thing that propels further conversation. A launching pad. Yeah, but, like, honestly, they're just delicious, and that's kind of all I've got to add to the conversation. So I'd much rather hear about your adventures in friend dating, I guess. Thank you. Thank you. I'm also going to dinner tonight with an Uber driver. so wow i've never been to uva job i'm sorry i was on tiktok this morning which is like a once a week occurrence and um i guess i just got in the loop of like liking the vine compilations and it's just been really it's been draining my it's been really taking up a lot of my so energy you are very chronically online yourself i have been lately you know and uh it's new for me it's it's not new for me but used to be neopets now it's like actually like current events pop culture i mean things are crazy right before we recorded there was like i was i was scrolling there was like a live um there was a press conference nbc news was uh streaming a press conference for the um sylvana guthrie's mom like did you see this she was kidnapped sylvana guthrie from the today show her mother her 84 year old mother was kidnapped from her house oh my god no i didn't I didn't know this at all. It's crazy. I just, like, learned about it. I think it was only a couple days ago. But they had a press conference, and I, like, popped in to see if they had any news, and they didn't really say much except that they think she's still out there. There's potential rumor that the brother-in-law is involved. Oh, my God. There was a guy who was walking out of the house with – and he was wearing a Internet Crimes Against Children, like, badge or logo and carrying, like, a case of something out of the house. and so like people are saying who's is that like what was on there is it a laptop um it's just crazy and they found blood on the porch and it's hers they did dna tests and it's the mom oh no oh my god yeah and apparently she's on a lot of meds that she doesn't have it's just like really bizarre like the world like some the top comment and one of the posts i saw it had like 4 000 likes it was just like does anybody else feel like we're just in the like the craziest simulation we're just like throwing shit at the wall like every time i open my phone i'm like oh good trump confused greenland and iceland i mean that was weeks ago now but like you know just every like little thing i'm like this feels fake this feels like i'm in a coma making up like like stringing things together that don't make sense do you know what i mean yeah and i've also um yeah i'm just gonna end yes i it feels like before i spiral uh it's uh been crazy although i've been very impressed last time I uh my I was on the I went to the dog park and I was talking to my mom and she was saying so many correct things it was shocking not uh not that she's constantly saying incorrect things but I didn't know how well read she has recently become oh good um and she was I was like yeah yeah who's talking to you that's not me what's going on where she's like six seven that's right what's the tea spill the tea which the way that she was uh in the world of uh politics i feel like usually i'm the one trying to kind of hold her hand through it and she was just saying everything i was like you got another kid who's fucking i was gonna say she's trying to do m but uh i was very proud of her i was like oh I didn't know we had, she's been promoted, I guess. Wow, she's leveled up. I don't know who, what person is behind her algorithm, but keep it going. Okay, but does it also even out, because you did just tell me before we hit record that she learned about the Kardashians. I think she just finally went on the internet. I think that's what's going on here. Oh, okay, is that all it took? And was like, yeah, she's like, hey, Kim Kardashian is kind of cool. And I was like, where have you been? she she for like 10 minutes the other day she was like this kim kardashian her elga must be crazy i think she just yeah finally logged on i don't know um anyway uh why do you drink do you because of this shit i mean every time i go on the internet i'm like what the fuck is going on and then they're like don't worry the stars star regulus is gonna align with the sphinx and then we're all gonna see an alien and it's like on nbc news and i'm like why are we reporting this i mean listen i don't not believe it but also like everyone's just acting like this is totally normal everything's just falling apart and you know i saw something very comforting because i've always felt kind of like a freak because when these really big world events happen i get almost excited and it's not like excited like i'm happy obviously that things that bad things are happening but there's just something in the air of like change you know and like one of the comments I saw that was so evocative and effective in like explaining my thinking was somebody on Reddit said why does it feel like evil is winning and you'll you'll understand this um metaphor and somebody said you know when you um exterminate cockroaches from your home and you set off the thing and they all come scurrying out and it looks worse than it did it than it was but it's actually just like clearing well what it's like you're finally seeing what it's always been yeah you're like smoking out the like fucking demons and they're all coming out they're all on black it's all of them it's all of them it's all the power all the powerful people fucking trash i mean they're just going about their day it's just crazy so i i hope that at least like and then somebody said oh sunlight or being like um being revealed to like on a mass scale is the most disinfecting thing. Like, putting this out in the open is what's gonna, like, finally cleanse us out, clear this out. We're all gonna hopefully step the fuck up. No, no, no. That's why you gotta keep the hope. The trolls want you to lose your hope. That's how they're gonna win this. So, you gotta just buckle in. We always knew this was happening. We always knew these people were evil. Now it's just on display. Now we just gotta do something about it. Yes. I'm agreeing with you I'm just trying to figure out which of the 20 things I would like to say but I think it's I mean I'm not going to say anything that nobody else isn't feeling at this point I think you're correct to publicly be trying to encourage hope instead of what I'd be encouraging which is just one big scream you're probably right that just wallows you know and there's place for wallow but like we just got to use that anger you know I have my little print here. Stay open to the wisdom of anger. You know, we're all fucking pissed off. We're over it. Right. We're done. These people are pedophiles. Like how much more do you need to be like, I don't know about this. You know, I know. I know. Anyway, it's there's there's it's just shocking every day I wake up and I'm like, oh, I just how how how are we finding ways to turn the narrative or like or not even show that it's crazy that nothing has happened. That's the thing that I'm. I mean, the fact that in those comments about... No perp walk. Like, I saw the only silliness I can find in here, but someone posted something saying, like, where the fuck is Olivia Benson right now? I mean, literally. Okay, so then... Mariska Hargitay has the opportunity to do the funniest thing right now. I'm just saying. Mariska could really... Go to the White House, Mariska. Just bring some handcuffs. Show your badge at the front lawn. Even if it's just for the press, the photo op, people would go and ask for the photo op. NGC is missing the fuck out. well they're covering the fucking today show host mom disappearing um by the way the fact that the one of the comments on there was like i think this is they're just distracting from like the epstein files i'm like so now they're just like people are saying oh they're just kidnapping people to like just i'm like this is really insane like the world right now feels absolutely diabolically insane um but i will also add that i just saw where did it go they're offering a 50 000 reward now for um samantha guthrie's mother oh my god i can't imagine being samantha guthrie today it's a wild uh it's a wild thing so it's just a weird it's just weird you know yep i know um so want to talk about ghosts sure yeah i guess i don't have a reason why i drink either oh right i guess i should ask you too no uh i bought a bag that looks like fruity pebbles wait okay like a box of fruit you gotta explain the bag looks like a fruity pebble a bowl of a box i see what you're saying i'm trying to find where where can i find levity in this fucking hellscape hang on i must know it's it's a it looks like a box of fruity pebbles oh wait i can't see hang on well i haven't oh oh sorry i thought it was because because my window Let me show something upon you. Are you fucking kidding me? Okay, just play. Okay. Bag. Okay, that's cool. I like that. And then on the inside, it looks like pretty pebbles. See, I knew there was something more to this. This is amazing. Take a bite. Take a big bite. Take a little escape. Who made that? Did somebody make that? Uh, no. Where did you buy that? Well, I couldn't tell you a single fucking thing. I bought it on the street, so. Whoa. you bought it on the street i don't know i was having a mental breakdown i was like that looks great i'll take it so that looks great i'll take it sometimes you just gotta do a little a little street shopping you know you know i and i've always said that i have literally i can't even stop saying it so um there you go i had my i was trying to find some levity i hope everyone finds a little a little joy i appreciate christine that you are very pro hope and i i hope to be hopeful but I am having a bit of a down day just because it's also overwhelming. But maybe tomorrow I'll be hopeful. Don't get me wrong. My nervous system is in complete overloaded despair. But, you know, I'm working on it. We've got to heal ourselves and heal the world. Oh, we are the world. We should start singing like everyone did during COVID. Oh, my God. Remember, it's so crazy. Imagine all the people. And they're just like their shitty webcams, and it's like, Hello. This is so embarrassing. And then it was like a week into COVID. And then, like, a year later, it was like, oh, dear. We didn't know anything about it. I just really need them to come back and sing, because maybe this time it'll work, you know? I think they really, they shot their shot too soon. They were accidentally, you know how they say, like, the Hollywood elites have some sort of, like, ritual thing? I think they opened a portal with that fucking song. Oh, fuck! They need to close it. Come back and do it again. Close the portal! Throw in all the cockroaches, then close the portal. Yeah. oh hey well as for um ghosts for you i have i always say a short one i always i truly the notes wise that is incredibly short the more you say that the more i settle in to um be entertained for the rest of the afternoon yeah oh i am wearing my grumpy troll shirt i just uh oh you know i don't know if i cozy i did tell you this i was a while back i finished my um sticker book oh yes and you got your yes you have the sticker from there i have a lot of shockingly a lot of stickers we did a lot in that one little that town had a lot going on where was this home into that cave it was in wisconsin yeah the troll capital of the world remember when you tried to like be a homie and like let me stop at a cave on the way and then the cave was closed or something or that we didn't uh it was like oh a two hour uh it takes about an hour and nine thirty minutes to get through from one end to the other and we were all like but then we went to the gift and i bought stickers and i was like if anyone asked so much shit in the gift job and that we were like had not even been in the cave yeah that was one of my favorite things i well i was just looking at my sticker now that i have them all in a spot i've actually looked at them so much i think i'm gonna throw up so that's that's so inspiring because i'm always like so overwhelmed by my stickers and I think if I put them in a book like maybe that'll help but then I wonder would I even do anything but I feel like you're right that would be kind of more an invitation to take a look at them every now and then I will say also I think what helps me is the proximity the fact that I I live in this space where like I can see the bookshelf at all times and it's just sitting on my bookshelf I think if you had your sticker book like in a certain room maybe you wouldn't always look at it but I'm literally always at that stupid bookshelf so every now and then when I'm like putzing around I pull it out and I'm like oh just a little flip just a little flip like oh let's let's see which one I would get today um but it's weird because I spent years collecting all of these stickers to a point where I didn't even know what stickers I owned I was gonna ask if there are any that you're like unsure about where they're from or anything like that um or not anymore ones that meant that you remembered I think I remembered all of them I did a pretty good job of like all I have two sticker books I have one of like ones I just collect on my own And then I have one that was specifically Tor. Oh, cool. Okay. Which for maybe Yappy Hour, we can go through the Tor sticker book or something. That's actually a really fun idea because mine are probably scattered throughout the lands. I would like to take it as an opportunity to encourage you to do a sticker book because I really, I did not expect to have so much fun doing a sticker book. I mean, it sounds really fulfilling. I'm telling you, your life will be changed. I know it sounds, I was like, oh, I'll do this for like a day. And I ended up becoming a crazy person. And then, like, I just had, like, Mariska playing for, like, eight hours. And I was just, like, finding your stickers. And all of a sudden, I'm, like, one of those people were, like, my sticker book's really important to me. But it was so fun to put together. Listen, we are all in need of some analog activities. I mean, Mariska side, of course, that's necessary as well. But, like, it's nice to have something to do sometimes with your hands. I was just coloring with Leona. And I was, like, I don't usually do. I don't really like coloring usually. but we just got a pack of crayons and they were like neon and glow in the dark which you'd appreciate and then we take them to her room and then like do an art show and they were all glow in the dark it was fun but so first i was like i don't feel like coloring i was so in the zone coloring peppa pig that i was like is this what i'm missing like just more like we sat there for like an hour and this child does not do silence very well on you know sounds like someone else we know um we sat there just colored for like 45 minutes and i was like this is crazy i haven't really had like such a like a talk about nervous system like calming activity for a long time locked the fuck in yeah so i feel like a sticker book thing is similar where you're just like kind of doing something mechanical and like creative yeah i love that it was also fun because you only have so many pages in the sticker book and you like you try to like you can you have to collage them the right way oh and it's so satisfying when they like perfectly like kind of fit oh gosh it was wonderful i I'm telling you and I literally for a bag of stickers I had for like four years five years how long did we tour five years um feels like 50 but I don't know um it was like I look at them so much more than I ever looked at that stupid fucking bag of stickers I never if they're in a bag right you're not gonna like just like dump them out yeah no it was a dream okay sorry everybody everyone's like Jesus it goes okay okay now that we're on video I'm able to finally show off my neutrophil results okay i've had a lot of i know this is really breaking news i've had a lot of um shedding over the years and a lot of different hormonal issues that have led to um hair thinning and i've been taking neutrophil for years i will say i did not wash my hair today or yesterday so it's not really looking as voluminous as i would have liked to show it off but uh you know if you catch me somewhere and and take a look at these strands um it's all neutrophil baby neutrophil is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand and it's the number one hair growth supplement brand personally used by dermatologists. 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But guess what? with the skims in the house they're on my butt they're extremely stretchy and extremely comfortable uh everyone is excited christine's excited my mom's excited every everyone's wearing skims i've yet to meet a person who's tried them on and gone this is not good our whole team was kind of like oh eyes emoji you know can we get in on that um they're just so comfortable they're lightweight they're so easy to pack because they're so they're just like little really light stretchy um i have the cotton ruched back hipster that are really cute and the cotton jersey full brief um that's uh probably my favorite it's the most coverage and really cozy shop my and linda's favorite bras and underwear at skims.com and after you place your order be sure to let them know that we sent you select podcast in the survey and be sure to select our show in the drop down menu that follows this is the barini hunting nope haunting barini haunting do you want to say it again or do you want this is the barini haunting barini like a it sounds like a pasta barini yes uh there it was a name used to change to protect the privacy of the family so they went with barini it's a burrilla family and they also changed the location so or what how do you do that i could do that i'm gonna change my name and location now i'm gonna tell you the story of my life. What? I feel like... Why am I mad? Why am I angry at these people? Do you do this with all your locations? You heard about this guy Kanye West? He's more of Kim Kardashian. And he just... He's incredible. Don't look further than after 2008. Don't look further. Did you see that he posted in the Wall Street Journal a full-page ad? You know what? Sorry for all his anti-Semitic behavior. It's really insane. I would like to instead rephrase that too. Can you believe what the Wall Street Journal allowed someone to put in the long straight journal but then i was my brother was like if he's releasing an album i'm and then it turns out he is releasing an album so i don't know it's all just like i don't believe that nothing's real anymore nothing's real he will never be sorry because i don't think he's aware of what he's sorry of he's just like i think things are just not there too far gone yeah um so basically the the re the psychical research foundation which nowadays is called the American Institute of Parapsychology. They were involved in this case at the very, very, very end. And in their report changed the location and the name just so the family could have some closure. Oh, okay. That's fair enough then. I see. Someone else is telling the story. So all we know is that it was in New England. So I guess it didn't change the location. They're just being like so vague about it. Mm-hmm. So it's the Barini family in New England, right? And the main character is Joe and Rose Barini. And then they also had Rose's kids from a previous marriage, John and Daisy, who you do not hear much about. But Joe and Rose. So in 1979, Joe moved the family into his dad's childhood home. um and fun fact many family members had died in this house oh good i will i'm gonna start off by saying i would love a whole report on how joe is connected to his own family because uh he's moving into his dad's childhood home the way that all of the sources i've looked at seemed to it made it sound like joe has like never spoken to his father before this and like never lived in this house but And now he's moving into his dad's childhood home. And I don't know if there's like a they were estranged and now he's just inherited this. I don't. Because it feels like a movie plot point. Like, oh, I've never been to this haunted Airbnb in the countryside that my great aunt left me, you know. Exactly. Yes. Because at first I was like, it also could just be like Joe's dad is every other dad who just doesn't really stereotypically give you any information about much of his childhood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I feel like in a lot of the story, Joe is just calling around being like, does anyone know about this random family member? I've never heard about them. So, yeah, they died in your house. Yeah. And that feels like something I would have with all three of my fathers that I've had. I feel like all of them would vaguely, cryptically be like, oh, yeah, I'm actually a bird in the middle of the night. Like something crazy. They say something crazy. And also my mother would do the same thing. And then I'd be gaslit into oblivion and be like, oh. i could see yeah i could see tom being like yeah i'm one of 25 what you didn't know that i'm like what do you mean and you know what they say next when you never asked what kind of dumbass comment is that i found out we did ask that's the other thing we always ask i found out yesterday by my on my own accord that tom has step-siblings i didn't fucking know what you didn't know this never done that what did you did you talk to him about it was he like duh i have not spoken to him Yeah, but now we have a conversation to have. Does he know about his steps of length? Now, that would be very silly if, but no, he has to know. Can you imagine our listeners know before he does? They do. I know, that'd be crazy. They do? They know that I'm going to talk to him about it, though, but at least now we've got ourselves a little, a topic starter. Love that. Anyway, so I feel like that's what's going on here. It could range from being everyone's normal dad who just doesn't talk about childhood or him and his father have never met. I don't know. it's just a little bit mysterious yes so he moves into this he moves this into this house and immediately there's spooky stuff going on and rose seems to be the person that is getting the most activity in the house so pretty immediately um rose starts hearing a little girl's voice oh god yuck and the very first time that she hears this voice it says mama mama and that's not my baby that's not my baby that's not my baby and you you hope it's a situation like a like a time glitch and that you're actually witnessing your own that's what i tell myself remember i heard that daddy yeah middle room and to this day i'm like please be leona have you heard it yet because i'm waiting for the day you let us know that no and you've gone full circle that i i am appreciative that you're reminding me of this because i have been working on that room to turn into like a playroom kind of extra space guest room type area and i feel like once that's kind of cleared out we'll spend more time in there so i wonder if that'll happen you know what i really hope really honestly truly is that the day it happens because i don't imagine a world where this doesn't happen but you hear the daddy and you i need you to be standing near remember exactly where i was sitting i need you to be there because i would like it to be a full circle where now you see past you experiencing it and then we know gia was also next to me and i feel Like, I would see a double. And I remember him hearing it. Like, he heard it in the moment. So we both heard it. So I wonder if he'll be there, too. You know, like a little replay. Tonya, I really, it would really put my mind at ease that glitches in the Matrix do exist. Yeah. Because you don't remember seeing yourself in that. So you wouldn't notice you seeing yourself in the future. Right. True. Yeah. Whoa. Whoa. Okay. Whoa. I'd be sitting on my own lap all of a sudden. he's going hi this is real don't forget this yeah remember this yeah you'll hate it um so okay says mama you gotta hope that it's in the future unfortunately the voice keeps saying mama and eventually says mama this is serena bye okay bye and nobody knew of serena they were like what is that and that's such a specific name it's not like i'm sally you know like right for some reason And that creeps me out more because it's such a kind of unique name. Yeah, it's not like, oh, my name is Mary. Mary, Bob. Yeah. Yeah. So nobody knew of Serena, but they'd soon learn, because she kept hearing the voice, and they picked up very quickly that when Serena was around, all of a sudden, eminent doom would follow. Eminent doom? Jesus. Okay. And we don't know if Serena is warning them or is causing it, But I think the vibe people were experiencing was that she was trying to warn them. Ooh, it's like Mothman. Especially by saying, like, Mama and being this little girl, it's almost like she's trying to help you or she wants to. She's like, pay attention. Pay attention to me, yeah. The very first time that she heard Serena's voice, that same weekend, one of the kids had to go get their tonsils taken out, and there was complications during the surgery. Oh, no. And the daughter, Rose's daughter, almost died from heart failure. Holy shit, dude. Which, like, you think something is, like, commonplace as getting your tonsils out. It's like, oh, you can't die from that. What year was this? 79. I wonder, also anesthesia, perhaps, like a bad reaction. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, but Jesus, that's terrifying. Well, the next time Rose heard Serena's voice was months later, and that night, Joe's grandmother had a stroke. Oh, shit, dude. The time after that, Rose heard Serena's voice and Joe's grandmother, I think the same one that had a stroke, then passed away. Okay. That's, it's sort of like, thanks for warning me, but it's like, what have you, what am I supposed to do about it? Yeah, it's almost like, do I even want you to come? No, I'd rather just kind of not have the dread of like, now I know somebody's going to die. Cancel plans, say goodbye to everybody. I know, I've got to call everybody. I've got to say sorry for something that I did to everybody in case they die and haunt me. yeah every time i hear serena's voice i go what do i have to atone for really yeah what did i do this time so up until that point only rose had heard serena's voice but the next time serena came through it was late at night and joe heard serena's voice and he had been sleeping but her voice woke him up in the middle of the night and he turned over and saw rose seemingly struggling next to him oh no like she couldn breathe no and so he woke her up really quickly and was like what going on are you okay she was having a nightmare about someone trying to strangle her oh okay and now it feels like the style yeah either sleep paralysis i would wonder like does this mean that the ghost can also tap into your dreams because i always think sleep paralysis is on the verge of some sort of like i know it's like scientifically proven whatever but i still do think there's an element of like something dark can take over or enter your space in that state of hypnagogic state or whatever you call it. I love when you say hypnagogic. I love when I say it too. I also really wish you liked horror movies just to be able to watch Insidious because it's so on the nose of everything we think. I did watch it with you. Oh, didn't I? No, it was sinister. You didn't watch that either, bitch. I watched you watch it. Yeah, you watched your eyelids. I watched my eyelids. You guys, they took a clodipid to watch that movie and fell asleep. Oh, and like two melancholy. She took it on purpose. Yeah. Yeah, oh, and two melatonin, right. And then it was like six o'clock at night, and you and my brother, my brother's like, you left me alone to watch this movie with Em. I fell asleep right between you. I really, I had a good time. I mean, I'm trying to get more into horror movies. What is the one you said? Insidious. That feels like it's not for me. Does it feel insidious? It feels a little more insidious than I'd like to admit, yeah. But the story is wonderful. And not in a, like, oh, lovely. It's like, it's what we're always talking about. Really? Okay. It's like a little kid who, like, can't wake up. Oh, well, that does sound lovely. Thanks. But, like, because, like, ghosts. Like, he was, like, it's like the, like, he left his astral body. He's trying to come back. My worst fear ever? Great. Anyway, it's a good time. And it's part of the whole, like, con. Oh, because it gets taken over. I remember hearing about this. The CCU, the Conjuring Cinematic Universe. Okay, so anyway. She wakes up. And I don't know why Serena had to warn Joe to wake her up unless something actually violent was happening in her sleep, which adds to my theory that something was messing with her. That it's something more than just sleep paralysis. Well, at this point, Joe is like, who the fuck is Serena? I'm over this. So he goes asking around his family. Does anyone know Serena? Anyone know Serena? And they went, bitch, Serena died in this house when she was five years old. I hope they said it just like that. bitch i hope they went up to joe and i went girl i'll figure it out um come on spill the tea i'm spilling the tea right now so serena was apparently his dad's sister didn't you know his dad's sister what they do these people they just don't tell you a damn thing and then you have to live with the consequences that it feels so much like anything any of my dads would say like oh yeah i had a sister she died at five anyway it generates some trauma that they just are like well we'll just ignore that you know so serena is real apparently god it does make you wonder why she was calling them mama but maybe she's also kind of stuck in a blueprint situation or maybe yeah and if she's five or she might not know that she is a ghost and she just saw a grown woman in the house and i don't know confused yeah who knows maybe rose looks like what yeah joe's grandma used to look like i don't know um so eventually and now it makes sense too why serena was trying to warn them about like joe's grandmother dying because that was her mom being like my mom's about to die oh shit which in some ways is very precious that like even if you like lose a child they're still with you and like trying to warn people it's like maybe when she's saying mama she's trying to talk to her mom who's still alive i don't know oh mama it's serena oh she was trying to talk to her that's horrible wow it just got really so much sadder than it was um you're welcome thanks christine wow now i feel like shit so hey remember what i said about hope earlier how did i do that again can you remind me no i was barely holding on as you were uh back back in the day um you were like give it an hour and christine will be completely turning this around well eventually serena seems to leave and they don't hear her voice ever again it's almost like once they discovered who she was maybe um maybe when her mom passed maybe she was attached to her mom oh yeah and she's like i have no reason to be here anymore god damn it christine listen i'm a four-year-old i think about dark sad intrusive thoughts and try to not let them take over my mind so you know i'm primed for this i uh have been singing a lot of songs to hank and they pretty much all end with like and in about a decade i'll be absolutely devastated yeah yeah yeah Yeah. How will I cope? So eventually, Serena seems to leave. Nobody hears her voice anymore. And the hauntings seem over for like a year and a half. I don't know. One source said six months. And I was like, that's not the same thing. But a lot of time passes. And eventually, it's 1981, which is about 18 months later. And after thinking kind of like their creepy days were behind them, one night, Rose sees a little boy. Oh, my God. she had to be like this again oh again um he is an all-white and straight out of a horror movie he just walks through the hallway just like you you don't see him then he's walking through the hallway then he like walks past the door where you can't see him anymore ah what the fuck ah ah apparently he was translucent in a way where rose said he looked like um a glass milk bottle whoa um and he just apparently it's it's worse because not only do you just walk through and now you're like where the what happened what was that but at the time you processed it it's gone homeboy was walking through the hall multiple times for two hours what just like why like at some point i'd be like is that a real fucking kid is he lost in my house like i'd be like what who is this a weird optical illusion or a prank like what's going on and i'd be like i i'm seeing this right at some point i'd just get a chair and some popcorn be like what the fuck is happening here i get a camera let's start there nowadays yeah camera but i would also wonder like it's so weird it's it's at some point what what's why now what's happening i would be scared i'd be like who's gonna die this time like great point like what are you doing here for two hours like and this is your first time here i don't know something feels like it's shifting i well i saw one um one of the articles i read was like it It was almost like when Serena left, she left an available space for someone new. Vacancy. Yeah. Ah, insidious. And so it's, I just can't imagine. After two hours, I think I'd get kind of bold and I'd be like, are you okay? I was like, you're going to say bored. I was like, me too. I'm glad you said it. I'd be bored too. Okay, never mind. After enough times, I would be kind of brave enough to go, are you, are you here? Like, I don't know, I don't know what I would ask, but then I, then I would feel like, recognize me or you know see if he like looks over like oh just like a little too loud yeah so anyway he apparently is just pacing the hallway he leaves he walks to the hallway he leaves and weird somehow rose is describing this as a peaceful experience she said that this is fine she's like oh this is actually kind of peaceful it's probably better than getting choked in your sleep so sure although part of me is in like is this who was choking me in my sleep okay fair point yeah um so two weeks later rose's heart has told joe about this i hope but joe then uh is like okay well hopefully that doesn't happen anymore famous last words because don't worry it's all over joe sees the little boy too and he sees the little boy literally going from room to room and in the hallway stopping to like kneel down on the floor as if he's like searching for something oh oh oh oh ew his body um i think it would be so weird like it's one thing to see a ghost go into a room already i'm talking about it for the rest of my life but to see a ghost go into a room and then come out unsatisfied and go into the next one i'd be like whoa don't come into mine i'd be like okay that's actually enough of that you know also you've done your tricks now stop it at some point does like does that mean i'm watching you from a room that he has yet to go into. Is he about to come in here? Is he just approaching? Oh, no. Oy, oy, oy. And then kneeling down, and he was apparently, like, touching or, like, petting the floor trying to find something. Oof. Rose also saw him again, and this time, the boy talked to her the second time if they ran into each other in the hall, I guess. He's like, excuse me. Excuse me. Sorry. Oh, run to the left. Oh, go right past you. Oops. And the boy goes up to her, by the way having not said anything yet first fucking words out of his mouth where do all the lonely people go where do i belong what eleanor rigby is that a lyric from eleanor rigby it literally sounds like it i look at all the lonely people okay maybe that yeah maybe that's because i was at first like wow that you're really strange for a second i'm like oh my god am i being scammed is this just the the beetles write a ghost story just like some weird pop culture fan fiction about the field um wow but okay so the eleanor rigby of it all aside that's really fucked up and dark okay a lonely little boy yeah and where do i belong like so he's lost and then part of me's like why are you looking at the floor for your help there but uh and this might be an answer as to what he was doing on the floor uh joe remembered that he was looking around and now that this boy has shown up multiple times in the house he's like what was he looking for i'm gonna go over to that spot on the floor and correct answer correct answer he pulls up the rug which the little boy couldn't seem seemed like he could not do on his own picture this 80s rug shag tufted yeah beautiful um and he finds um like a medallion of the virgin mary which makes makes me think if he was looking for something religious and he's like where do i belong maybe he thought i need to do this thing kneeling that's what when you first said he was kneeling in the hallway i'm like to pray i mean i guess not but like it sounds very he was an all white stick yeah the white thing yeah so joe goes back to the family i imagine in in 2026 it would be a group shopping like can you guys just give me a rundown of every person that i don't know about yet because i'm so tired of this first was serena you just do a voice memo so i can just have it all just send me the ancestry link you know yeah yeah yeah yeah the link um but so he asked the family what about this little boy like who else died here finds out oh yeah you know how your brother or how your dad had a sister named serena um he also had a brother who also died as a kid and not like no i didn't know about any of that thanks though which is like i have to hope that him and his father were just like estranged because otherwise what the fuck did you ever talk about with your dad i mean as someone who has a dad with siblings that i literally don't know anything about it's sort of like i just see you when it never comes up it's shocking unless you ask it's weird yeah and then he's like well you don't ask and i'm like i don't even know that I'm supposed to ask should I just start from the bottom and say do you have any dead siblings like what am I supposed to say here um I mean I guess maybe maybe that's the key I I can't stand that well you didn't ask it's like well I that's infuriating to me no um so Joe finds out that he has an uncle Giorgio whoa who died in the house at eight years old buried in his first communion suit i knew it i was like that's a baptismal or first communion holy shit and then he got that medallion for his first communion no doubt holy shit and of course i was wondering where do i belong and he's like i oh honey he's probably trying to get to heaven oh boy um so anyway after figuring out who he was the couple started seeing giorgio all the time like multiple times a week oh dear it was almost like they spoke him into existence officially or like once right once giorgio knew that they knew who he was he felt safer to come around they apparently would literally talk to him he would answer random questions for them he would talk about family members joe didn't even know or he would talk about events that joe didn't remember he would even um giorgio i guess had a twin that did survive and he would talk about his twin like what his twin was up to jeez what the fuck and whenever i will say this is a weird note but whenever they would see him it seemed to them that giorgio always seemed incredibly fucking stressed by the way i would too if i was an eight-year-old who can't get into heaven you know yeah that sounds like one of those weird dreams you have as a kid where you're like stuck or even nowadays like where you're stuck somewhere and you're like i can't i can't get out like that it feels like a nightmare replaying over and over of course you're stressed i'd be stressed the fuck i'd be like where is everybody here's my random 40 year old nephew and i imagine you don't even get to wear your khakis you have to wear your fucking communion thing i also probably one of the biggest um i'm sure there's a lot of ways that the story so far has proven to like just be like a wives tale and isn't true or something like that but the most unbelievable part to me is that people who are alive who knew giorgio aren't immediately running to the door to finally see their like long lost dead relative right it makes me wonder if they yeah yeah i knew like if i if there are family members of mine who have died and if i found out that they have resurrected and are someone i can speak to them again i would be at the house that day but i'll be honest i know people who like have who if they if their dead sibling resurrected at eight like an eight-year-old ghost and they were like living across the country they would want nothing to do with that that's a good point like i know i definitely know people especially the kind who don't talk about their siblings who probably would not go see their ghost because they don't even want to think about it or uh like i mean serena and giorgio sound like maybe they're not from the country so maybe it's hard to get here or something like maybe it sounds like like like sounds like italian italiana or something serena giorgio what's the last name again barilla barini which is a fake name but it makes sense why they pick an italian one if the names are yeah i'm just saying if someone said yo even that one cousin that you fucking hate just came back to life i'd be like i gotta go see this myself i don't think i could do it i don't think i could i don't know that really freaks me out for some reason i don't know where to go i think i would be more concerned about the people in the house i'd be like are you trying to trap me and like kill me i don't know i think i would be like really really like hesitant no i would have to see with my own eyes i'd be like this is literally evidence that the afterlife exists that's crazy it's crazy you wouldn't get right in the comments if you would go because i know this is such a to me it's such an obvious absolute it's that absolutely yes it's an absolutely no to you no it's not absolutely no i think i would go eventually but you would have to probably talk me into it because i think i'd be like i don't know if i trust this brother-in-law or whoever the hell this guy is to me in this scenario i don't know i'd be like a little weirded out i'd be like i mean i'd bring a knife you know i'd be like okay he's saying he sees my dead brother that feels like disrespect you bring a knife okay well in that case i feel safe i guess yeah it depends it depends on how close you are with the people like if i found out kind of it i think if a long lost relative i see what you're saying like if a long lost relative i don't even really have a relationship with said this to me i'm not like come over your dead brothers here i'd be like what the fuck yeah in that case i'm not going over to your house to find out that you have like a mental health situation going right i don't really want to be part of that well like if my cousins i talk to regularly yeah okay that's alive i'd be like if i felt trustworthy that this was a thing i would absolutely yes absolutely think of the experiments you could do you could be like tell them to come over here and like can they teleport and like i mean i would have i would have just as many questions for them and they'd be like why are you holding a knife can you answer that first. The eight-year-old at knife point is really... He's like, no, I'm not going to go over there, you freak. And they have the nerve to go, Giorgio always looks a little stressed. Yeah, you're just showing up with a knife doing experiments on him, like, no wonder. Honestly, if I was living in a house with an eight-year-old ghost and I didn't know he was apparently my uncle, I'd also have a knife there, too. I guess so. I guess, like, what's that going to do to a ghost? So, anyway, Giorgio's walking around, they're chatting it up. But he always seems stressed. And one article did say it was like it was as if he, like Serena, could sense something dark or was attached to something dark. And even though he was fine and harmless, he knew about something that we couldn't foresee. I think that's part of what freaks me out, too. Like, not that I wouldn't go see this person, this ghost, but I feel like there's something sinister beneath it. That's like, why is he stressed? Why is he hanging around? You already had this Serena, like sleep paralysis, creepiness. Like, part of me is like, is that really my twin brother? Or is this, like, something darker? I don't know. I don't know. I feel like it's unsettling. You know what? To go back to our previous conversation, talk about family members who would want to see this person back to life, his fucking twin who's alive. Right. That's what I meant. Why didn't anyone call Carlos? That's what I'm saying. Like, if Carlos, I'd be, like, a little unsettled, though, if, like, oh, and we also had all this demonic activity. I'd be like, even if I believe you, I'd be like, I don't know if I want to see my eight-year-old brother as like a demonic ghost. I don't know. Yeah, maybe Carlos like sends a picture of him like waving. He's like, give this to him. Let's FaceTime. Yeah, that's about as far as I'll come. Well, after two months, Giorgio finally stops appearing. And his final words to them, by the way, was, my oldest brother is the only one that can help me. Oh, my God. What is his oldest brother? Do we know? Like a priest or something? I have no idea and also if that was the solution this whole time why were you ever here to begin with but he didn't know well so I think what's happening is it seems that the kids are confused about their relationship to these people because like how Serena was maybe calling Rose her mom yeah maybe Giorgio thought that Joe was his father and not the father's son or his brother his brother when it was his uncle oh so he was saying maybe like my oldest brother is the only one that could help me being like you're my oldest brother you're the only one that can oh talking about joe i think i don't know i have no idea um but it's it was certainly cryptic and fucking crazy and then he disappeared and they disappeared which i feel like we could have said one more sentence before we left and like clarified some things you know just this guy this kid knows how to what this kid knows how to do a cliffhanger he did he said i'll be back for the sequel um or Or will I? Fade to black. The same night, Giorgio disappeared for good. His absence seemed to also leave room for a new entity. I'm telling you. I don't know what you fill that with, but you've got to fill that. Put your thumb over the hole. I was going to say, just put some caulk or putty on it. Yeah. Staple it closed. That's what I would do. Put it in. Yeah. Some caulk. Caulk. um the same so he disappeared and all of a sudden something else appeared literally within the 24 hours um and immediately they really missed that little boy because joe and rose's phone flew off the nightstand on its own multiple times oh and this is not a cell phone this is the land line just to to remind everyone like when it hit the wall it probably went oh and like and then you It fell off the hook. How creepy is that? Horrific. So much more cinematic than an iPhone. I feel like our hauntings would be so boring today. I know, boo. It's like, that's just AI. Oh, man. And also, like, another question for ghosts, because we didn't have the technology we did back in the old day when they seemed to be super-duper prevalent. So, like, we wouldn't have known back then what other capabilities they have. They were just working with the stuff going on back then. I wonder if there's new versions of haunting today because there's new technology that we can see them interacting with. There are because Jim Harrell covers like technological stuff sometimes where they'll like come in on a phone call or they'll like a text. Oh, the creepiest ones are when text messages come through like from the deceased person. But it's like the numbers like just stuff like that really does happen kind of regularly, regularly enough to be like, whoa. I mean, another example is like your iPod playing random music you didn't start up. Oh, yes. Ew, that was creepy. First of all, it was an iPad. It wasn't the year 2005. My iPod. The iPod shuffle Christine brings on tour. I was thinking about that yesterday for some reason, that iPad playing, and I was like, I wish I could remember what song that was. I'm happy to not know. Okay. even like wi-fi or like streaming services i'm like could it do all that like like i have a blame tech issues on a ghost a lot so i feel like we've already kind of committed to that theory i have one friend who um closed captioning changed on her tv and like was able to go back and it played like the normal fucking words but only one time it's like was almost like responding to her like an ovulus isn't that the scariest thing what the fuck um hey i hate that so i guess there are new ways that they can do things that they could always probably do they just didn't know it themselves because they didn't have the technology yet maybe they didn't they're like hurry up and invent the cell phone i'm so tired of having to type every fucking guy around um yeah also how come on my laptop i haven't gotten messages well people have gotten messages on their like like on a blank document it happens so and remember that one time we wasn't there an episode we recorded where the whole thing got deleted temporarily or something yeah there's some weird tech shit that happens that we used to be like haha it's a ghost and it's when we were talking about one of the dolls oh 100 that was ptd i think and there was i think there was another episode we recorded where we were also talking about her and like the things that she's capable of and our episode was fine but only like that section was totally like silenced or something oh there was some weird there was like there was like um static or something happening i remember people were like did you do that on purpose um also just like side note two nights ago oh i have chills now like cold all of a sudden i heard this shattering sound in the middle of the night remember how like my bathroom up here was flooding so the same area i heard this shattering sound i thought that i saw all three pets and i went uh-oh that's okay not a good sign of course i go upstairs with my flashlight on and i'm looking i'm looking i can't figure it out the like i there since like the 80s there's been this like mirrored vanity thing and the top of the mirror just like slammed on the floor and shattered everywhere in the middle of the night what the fuck is going on in that bathroom i don't know but it just occurred to me it's the same bathroom um as someone who's used that bathroom i can confirm it is the scariest bathroom it is pretty creepy i never want to be in that bathroom by myself a nice toilet a nice toilet now a new one maybe it was the toilet all along oh i guess not since things are happening post new toilet that's right and i was a little concerned and then uh someone said well probably the humidity from the bathtub i'm like i've not turned that bathtub on in five years i mean it doesn't look plugged in you know it's sort of like one of those decorative like clawed foot things and i'm like i don't know man and my brother was like well you know the adhesive wore off and i was like i've heard it all before that's fine it's just weird that it's been 30 years and one night it just shatters while i'm awake in the middle of the night with insomnia i don't know 100 anyway so now i'm just all i'm saying is i'm getting creeped out by the story already because i'm like 10 feet from that spot and i feel a little i wish it would happen as you're recording so we could all witness something maybe you can talk about ptd again and she'll make something happen well uh remember that time we held hands and looked ptd in the eye oh and she talked to us she said i don't remember what she said but we did look her the eye together we were so polite we were i was like hello you are beautiful bye um so anyway joe puts the uh phone back on the table remember the phone flew off the nightstand yeah and he puts it back on the table flies off again it flew off the table like a dozen times and he calls his parents to see if they knew what giorgio meant by like my oldest brother is the only one who can help me and like because he took it as a sign of like that's the last thing i heard from georgio and now the phone is flying off the hook so like use the phone ask about georgio check in but similar to our audio whenever we talk about dolls every time joe would say georgio's name the phone would go dead by itself bye i don't like that every time uh or sorry eventually it wasn't just the phone being thrown around but the door started slamming dishes started breaking footsteps started being heard only running through the house um and a box of pasta was ripped out of rose's hand that's the most insulting to me give me the secret recipe the ghost shouted or it was like not this boxed swine what's wrong with you the will throw this in the trash swill not swine what's wrong with us pigs oh i didn't even notice The couple went to a priest who told them, of course, say it with me, just ignore it. Are you serious? Haven't gotten to say this in a long time, but thanks, priest. Aw. Miss her. And soon other items started flying around, and they kept ignoring it because the priest told them to, and they're just sitting there, like, hoping and hoping it's going to stop. Until eventually things only got worse because now this entity shows himself to them. And it is a dark male figure with a black cape, a hunched back, a gruff voice, and very large feet. What the fuck? They ask who he is? Sounds like the Hamburglar. Holy shit. I think this is the origin of McDonald's. It all started with a small Italian pasta family. quick someone get there but she's on the horn um where were we so sorry he had big feet a cape by the way not cool are you kidding do you know how many times i've worn my cape this week i fucking love a cape okay i'm saying not cool as a go like oh it's very cool to wear a cape it's also like fine to wear oh it's not fine to wear a top hat never mind no especially with a cape Unless you're getting paid and doing magic. Correct. There is really strict rubric. If you're wearing a top hat and they're not either an Abe Lincoln impersonator or a magician. Or the hat man himself. Or the hat man himself. Or like, I guess if you're really trying to like do one over on the opera. Like you're really trying to commit to the theater. We'll think about it on that one. I'm still uncomfortable about it because like people are going to sit behind you in the audience and they're going to hate you. Oh, I thought you meant on the stage. I see. You better have some fucking tact and take that hat off if you're in the audience. Please. It's just for the entrance, the grand reveal. Exactly. Like, we've already seen you in the lobby and talked about it. Sit down. Now, if you saw me in a cape, you would really go feral because this is a delicious cape. I have it right here. What? I was like, are you getting it right now? Oh, my God. I wear this cape all the time. I wear it. Are you wearing it to your date, your friend date? No, but I have worn it before with new people just to give them a real face of who I am. Those ones that never called you back. Yeah, kind of. No, I call this my everyday cape because I actually have like four capes. Yeah, I know. So this one is – have you seen this before? Am I showing you something you've already seen? I really don't think I have. I've had this cape for years, and I really decided to commit to the bit recently. I do feel like you've talked about it quite a lot, and I feel like in my mind I know it, but I don't think I've ever seen it. It's lovely. I wear it to the dog park often and I'm not wearing it. I think here's the thing. You have to have the confidence because I am not wearing it to be, like, spooky or, like, kitschy or quirky. Like, I'm wearing it functionally. Like, it just keeps me warm. That's the key. If you're wearing it and it's like, oh, that looks comfortable, I'm not going to be like, why the fuck would you wear that, you know? You have to wear it, like, I mean, it's no different than, like, bringing a blanket somewhere in public, which I guess is weird. But people understand the purpose of the blanket and it keeps it just that. and i'm like kind of jealous right like if i see someone with a blanket i'm like oh i should have thought of that well it's been like there have been nights where like the dog park is really fucking cold and i've seen people bring blankets so i'm like that's so fucking smart and i'm like really smart i'm like i'd rather have a blanket that just buttons on so i don't have to hold it so that's what a cape is so here i don't know if it's really gonna oh oh oh it looks voluptuous so she's got a little hood moment that's him she buttons up at the neck so it's whoa very uh and then she's got pockets and she's got um sleeves it's a short so it's a crop top cape it's like it ends at your back it's not a long cloak oh it's like a poncho i guess so that was probably the rudest thing i've ever said to you i'm sorry no i'm not like a poncho like it's not like the kind i got at dillard's in eighth grade no it ends at the waist and oh it does it's like a little red riding hood size oh charming like a capelet capelet and then but it also has like spots where you can put your arms through so when you move it moves like wings you move and it has it has the finger rings so it stays on your fingers so it moves with you oh my god so you're basically like conducting an orchestra looking like batman it's very comfy and it's thick it's like it's like three sweatshirts thick it looks extremely voluptuously cozy and when you close it up it literally keeps the the cold out so well how did we get here oh i don't know there's a there's a dark she's wearing a cape and i'm upset about it um and i'm not saying I'm upset about you wearing a cape. I'm upset about the shadowy man in my bedroom wearing a cape. Like, get out of here. This is that. And also, final sentence. This is a PSA. If you've ever thought about buying a cape, I've never once regretted it. And I only get compliments. So everyone leave me alone. Except for all the haters. Yeah, fuck you all. Where did you buy the cape? Because my next question is, I'd love a cape. Where can I get one? I'll tell you exactly this one. Do you buy this on the street, too? No. I bought this at actually like a Comic-Con. Oh, that feels right, too. Which, like, I guess technically it was meant for cosplay, but I never used it for that. Anything cosplay if you really try hard enough, you know? That's true. To give them a shout-out because I want this company to stay in business so that way I can buy more K. For your own selfish reasons. It's called The Original Scarewear. Okay, now. Now we're talking. And it's called Creepsville with a K. And now I'm trying to tell us, no, no, there's nothing weird or creepy about this cape. And they're like, no, there is. Oh, wow. I mean. Creepsville, if you ever want to do an ad with us, I'll take it as you want. Converts here. Yeah. Wow. It's a game changer. And I wore it to Wicked, of course. Of course. I wear it in Renaissance things. I guess I do cosplay with it. See? I'm so sorry to everybody who wanted a short story. Let's keep going. i'm trying to clock the fuck in okay i'm not sorry go on there's a hunchback man with a cape right and a gruff voice what could go wrong he's throwing everything around he is a real nightmare and uh and they've been told by priests to ignore him and then eventually he decides to walk up to them and tell them that he is quote a minister of god Oh, boy. Okay. They continued to try and ignore the obviously dark energy, but oftentimes the activity was just too intense to ignore. For example, the family would just start hearing a random man scream obscenities, and I feel like a lot of people would go, that's just Grandpa. Yeah, he's just under the weather. He's just in the other room. That one I don't mind too much. If I heard a random person cussing in the house, that's fine. Oh, is it? If you heard a random man cussing in your house. Compared to every, if that's the worst, it's just like, oh, there's that fucking guy again. Yeah, if I knew who it was, I could kind of just like brush it aside. Yeah. Especially when all I know about him is he's a minister to God. I'm like, oh, the minister's mad. Oh, not the minister again. He loves those swear words. Well, apparently it got worse because those items that were flying around, like the phone and everything, was now aiming itself at the couple. Objects were flying into them all the time. uh-oh religious objects were getting smashed yikes or they're being ripped off the wall yikes the furniture would end up all over the place including bookcases and desks that were upstairs they are now downstairs or they're being toppled over or they're being found in different rooms i can't imagine going home and it's just my bookcase is upside down and upstairs and in a different room and toppled i'd be thrilled i'd be like finally somebody helped me move the furniture I know. Like, at least use your power for good. But I would want it to be used in the way that I would really need the bookshelf to be placed in a certain way. So, yeah, it would be annoying. The real kick in the crotch would be if you finally moved it yourself and now it's back downstairs. Oh, now that's not cool. I'd be like, you fucking asshole. I pulled my back out for that, you know. I know. What is that? Is that the phrase? Threw it out? Threw it out. You sounded like someone who's never thrown your back out. If only. If only. I can't. Oh, my God. I think the creepiest one to me is that they had those classic attic stairs where you had to pull them down on a string. Oh, yeah. The stairs to the attic would open themselves, which you might think, like, okay, the latch is loose or whatever, and it just fell by itself. But first of all, think of how loud that is if they were to fly down by themselves. Terrifying. Terrifying. And dangerous. And it couldn just be a loose latch It was clearly something paranormal because not only would the stairs open themselves they would shut themselves so something pushing it up and it would open and slam and open and slam and it was doing it so hard that the ceiling cracked oh no like that's it for me like cut the cameras i really i get it i'm out rose seemed to get the most violent attention of course because lamps are getting thrown at her head a freezer door when She was bending down, hit her in the head when she came back up. Holy shit. She would find bruises all over herself. She would get grabbed and scratched by unseen hands. And, of course, activity got even worse whenever she would pray. Then things were, like, even more intense. And a few months after dealing with all this torment, Rose is in bed alone one night and starts hearing banging on the walls. And the bed then levitated off the floor, I think with her in it. and the doors slam themselves shut to imply that she cannot leave the room jesus okay the doors only reopened when the family dog growled protectively good puppy and when she did get out of the room she was then grabbed like out of a horror movie and dragged back into the room the door slammed shut again she was getting choked and she's levitating off the ground by herself and then slammed onto the floor oh no joe finally gets into the room and he sees her cowering in a corner and quote the bed jumping as high as two feet into the air what the fuck is going on like i miss serena girl you know i'm i know if only that were the cussing man and serena we're back for miss i'm gonna warn you of in of eminent doom like how about where were you or was your whole presence that is that you were just from the beginning you you being here was the warning that something was coming moved out and it was not her fault that someone else moved in okay you know what i shouldn't be blaming her you're right listen she tried she tried after this they tried to make uh living in the house work but how could you and they didn't have to try for very long until they gave the fuck up because very soon after this big event where she's getting thrown around the room the couple walks into the kitchen and sees quote a heavy carving knife stabbed into the kitchen table oh no and it was also just happened to be on one of the kids birthdays happy birthday um aside from a horse head in your bed that's the most threatening like symbolism i can think of it's like it's i'm sure it's been the cover of movies horror movies has to be or like just walk in it's just stabbed right into the table oh um and then i don't think i'd butcher block uh back in the day as popular as it is today it was like an expensive table too oh so the couple called the priest again going hey we listen to you and fuck you fuck you first of all um they moved out they were like you can do whatever you want with this house i'm so over it i guess priest came in and actually did some sort of pseudo exorcism on the house a blessing a bless well no the first time was a blessing and then they're like oh this time was like something powerful enough that i guess witnesses were there um and i guess it was deemed successful because after this there was no more activity i've i've don't think i've ever covered a story where the priests come in and do one exorcism cleansing or something yeah yeah something intense i imagine latin was involved but i don't must have must been i just like when latin's involved i don't feels more serious um i mean i like what's happening in a room i'm not in but right from afar yeah but the story is juicier later um so after that there was no more activity it really was like exactly how you would hope priest can be helpful so i guess this is the first time ever thanks priest and that's enough credit yeah like thanks like the second time the end five claps for you but uh after the fact i think they were still obviously horrified by everything and that's when joe called the what is now american institute of parapsychology and he was like we had some really fucking crazy things go on here it's technically over maybe you'll find something if you would like attempt it if you'd like to research a house you can have this house i wonder if you also called them in to be like can you double check that everything's good uh true point and make sure it doesn't follow us yeah but it's and every article had completely different findings here on what happened when the American Institute of Parapsychology went in there. Some sources said they were haunted like crazy and could corroborate every single thing that the family had seen, which means that the extrolimatism didn't work. Then there were other sources where it was like they couldn't find anything. They just had to go off of stories that they heard from the family, which means that the extrolimatism did work or that it was never haunted. um or there was other sources that said like they found some things that they could have deemed haunting but the the most telling information they got was just from like friends and family who overheard the stories so i don't really know what came out of that but they did look at it and after they looked at it they wrote up the report could not find the report um but i guess in it is where they named the family the barinis and that's how we did the barini haunting so that is that what the fuck that one upset me a little bit kind of creeped me out like beyond normal it feels like unless if you're not a believer i'm about to say something so hysterical to you but to me it feels like something that could actually happen that's what i'm saying if it exactly what i was gonna say like an everyday cape everyday haunting style i have the cape honestly if i saw a hunchback man in a cape in my house i'd be like take my fucking cape off you'd be like who told you you could wear that like you can haunt me but don't raid my closet you're getting wrinkled in my cape yuck yuck um i am like really alarmed by that and i think you're right i think it's because it feels like something that could just happen to a family and then and i think it's I think what's eerie to me is I do not, I'm not opening any portals or anything like that. I, in theory, don't hate the idea of having like a little ghost going around as long as it's just like something as simple as what Serena was at first. Just a little voice every now and then you hear a little thing and like, okay, that's the end of it. But as soon as it escalates to like, oh, now we're warning you of bad things. And then I leave and now you can see a different ghost and he can even talk to you and interact with you like fucking Casper. and then he's really fucking scared about something you don't know that's coming and then he leaves the scene and now it gets worse and worse and now you're getting knives in your tables like it it just feels like um it feels personal because the the unraveling of it yes yes yes and it escalates to a point where you're like how would you even manage to like stop it you know it's like the second one leaves like another one shows up and you're like wait wait wait i didn't even have a chance to call the priest yeah i think it's i think maybe it feels personal because you and i would both be open to how it first started yeah that's actually concerning good point we could accidentally slip into like the worst of the worst as i like think about how i have to pee in that bathroom in about 10 seconds you cleaned up the floor a little bit okay there's still some mirror around well thank you everybody for listening oh there she goes oh my camera died super girl girl el gato what's that a cat well i was charging my vape and i used the cord for my camera to charge my vape i that is the least surprising thing i've ever heard you say hey i know we're in the middle of work but um i'm gonna charge my vape with i'm gonna unplug my camera what a mystery this is oh you know you could have used the i could use the cord for my that i plug my light into but no i use the cord to plug my camera into can you imagine if um el Elgato was paying us for this spot right now. 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That's 15% off when you buy two pairs of glasses at w-a-r-b-y parker.com slash drink and after you purchase they will ask you where you heard about them please support our show and tell them our show sent you i forgot to also mention that um i did make a tiktok when it happened because i heard the crashing sound and went upstairs with the video on because i was like if i'm about to either run into a serial killer or a demon i'd at least want to make content out of it um yeah so if you want to see what i'm talk what it looks like you can look on my tiktok but i'll also add that i'm very curious to see if anybody like senses anything you know like if they see the bathroom like i'm just curious if anybody like if they look at it and they're like oh there's something similar to our conversation about like with the new technology what are ghosts capable of i wonder with the new technology what psychics are capable of because i've always wanted to meet somebody who can like see things on a screen that's like being recorded that like i obviously can't see anything next to you but if someone's like oh there's someone sitting next to you i would love to know if someone is capable of that or is that too oh yeah that's very calm no no i don't think so i mean that's how we found out about harry remember that moonlight medium said someone's walking around behind you and i was like right i totally forgot his origin story um yeah no it's definitely a thing because i mean so many virtual appointments and the psychics and things are virtual now anyway so i think they kind of have interesting yeah i always it feels like transcends time and space you know i feel like i am a believer in a lot of things but that one is like hard for me to wrap my head around that like some you i feel you have to be in the room to sense the energy but i'm also not a fucking psychic or medium so i don't know what i'm talking about i mean you are but that's besides the point it did get me um a opportunity with um the la ghostbusters out here did you do you know about them like it's a volunteer group it's not actual ghost hunting you are burying the lead on so many things today you're like oh one time my friend what was the thing i don't know but i'm practicing to be a dad who just says like nothing yeah seriously like you said something like a haunted story earlier like yeah but this haunting happened to my friend and i'm like the closed captioning yeah yes that's the thing okay and now what what are you telling me now um oh the ghost what is at LA Ghost Hunter? It's a volunteer group. A vigilante group? No, it's like volunteering at hospitals, but they Oh! What? Oh, at the Ghostbusters? Ghostbusters to go see the kids. I thought you meant they literally do ghost hunting in hospitals. That's really disrespectful that they go to a hospital. I thought it meant people die. They're like, don't worry, we'll suck up the ghost before anyone gets out of here. Wow, I read that really wrong. Okay, so it's like they're – wait, so wait, what do you mean? So what happened with them with you? Well, no, because they did the Creskin ESP thing on me, and I, like, nailed it. Oh, that's who that was. Even they – when it was happening, they looked around, and they were like, this is fucking weird. I saw them make eyes with each other. It's really weird. It's really weird, Em. It's really weird. So I got an email asking if I – well, not asking if I wanted to join. I told them I was interested in joining, and they sent me an email. and so now I guess I'm I don't know what the right word is but it's like it's not just like a oh come and join whenever it's like it takes like six months and a certain amount of like hours and before they even consider me it's like really intense wow but so it helps raise money for children's hospital gowns to look like Ghostbusters uniforms so they feel like they're Ghostbusters and everyone gets like a plush ghost like a stuffed animal in the hospital Oh my god. And they do a bunch of charity work, but the one thing that they were proud to show off was they had one of the Ghostbusters-looking children's robes. It literally looks like you're a fucking Ghostbuster. It was very cool looking. Now that's cool. I mean, that's really cool. And then they go in and hang out with kids and, you know, show them all. You have, like, literally to be one of them, you have to have, like, the, like, equipment and then, like, the kids, I guess, get to play with it and stuff. Thing, yeah. It's just a volunteering thing. You have to, like, cosplay for real. Yeah. And they even said, like, only when you have a uniform and a proton pack and all the stuff, then, like, we'll consider you. And I'm like, what the fuck? Can you imagine when you leave, they're, like, turning your proton pack instead of your badge? So they, like, sent, like, a – it felt like a Harry Potter list of, like, you have to have all these things on your uniform before you can come to Hogwarts. Proton. And it was like, you have to have this type of knee pad and this type of belt and this type of this. and they're very curious about it. So, I don't know. Are you going to do it? I think so. It sounds fun. It sounds cool. Leona came home during the fall at some point and she's in a new preschool class and she was like, who are you going to call? And I was like, Ghostbusters. And I was like, Ghostbusters? And she's like, yeah! And I was like, this is a fun tournament. I love that she's giving you a litmus test. She did. And she was like, shockingly, my mother passed. um apparently it's like her teacher's favorite movie so she's singing that all all fall i've never seen it oh it's very good um so i didn't pass that litmus test but she didn't see if you can watch it together it's not really scary yeah i mean she might be yeah well i was gonna say she's kind of scared of like yeah peppa pig sometimes okay maybe when she's older um but no i didn't mean to like she's a lot like me i don't know if you're uh catching on to the like whole sinister or insidious it's certainly not insidious watching vibe it's really not but uh yeah no so i'm probably gonna i'm more excited about like their they get um what's the right word reserved or booked a lot for like halloween events and all that so wow yeah i don't know that's fun so cool and you pass their psychic test i pass their psychic test they and then they gave me a candy eyeball for my third eye Hell yeah. That's kick-ass. What do you up to these days? Are you in any groups or doing any fun things? You know, I just was looking into a group that goes around and makes a lot of noise outside of hotels where ice is staying. Really? I haven't heard of any of those. You want to elaborate? That sounds very fun. I'm very proud of you. Yeah, it's pretty cool, but they have an anonymous tip line of where ice is staying. And unfortunately, they're coming to a neighborhood in my town very soon. And it's becoming a very high stress environment because we have been watching all this, of course, Minneapolis. And there is a detention center near here and stuff, but it's becoming a lot more like close to home in a literal way. So everyone's kind of bracing for that. So I've been looking to that as far as like volunteer stuff. And then just like, again, like try to be analog a little bit, like do more just like creative. for just to be creative not like to like i'm always like well what am i going to do with this i always feel like i need to make something productive out of it i'm trying to like just be low-key but it's hard i'm not very low-key about relaxing no um well i i wish you the best and again sticker books are very fun i mean honestly i'm looking around like making mental notes of the piles like where they are because i'm like well i gotta get those ones and those I was going to say, think of it this way. If you need to be productive, that, like, yeah, I mean. You're also cleaning your house. It scratches both itches, yeah. You're organizing your stuff. To say the gross thing, but, like, it kind of works, yeah. Okay, so I'm doing part two today of the Tote Family Murders in Celebration, Florida. I'm so excited. Oh, my word, it's just such a fucking doozy. I have a little summary for everyone, including myself, just to keep us all in the loop. If you have not heard part one, I would go listen to that because it's just deeply insane. And it's pretty relevant to what's going to be discussed today. So here's a summary of part one. We've got Anthony Tote and his wife, Megan. And by the way, Tote, like some people say Tote. It's T-O-D-T. Okay. I just say Tote. I feel like that's the more common pronunciation, but not 100% sure on that. His wife, Megan, they were highly regarded physical therapists in Connecticut. They had three children, Alec, Tyler, and Zoe, 11, 8, and 4, I believe, were their ages at this point. They were a normal, quote-unquote, loving household, seemingly from the outside. But after moving to the Disney design town of Celebration, Florida in 2017, the family became increasingly isolated. Megan struggled with Lyme disease, apparently due to a tick bite she got at Disney in depression. her father I don't think I mentioned this last week maybe I did but her father had died by suicide like a decade earlier and it was something that like weighed on her obviously heavily throughout the years but then I think Tony a lot of this is information we got through Tony and like take everything he says with like a mountain of salt because he's full of shit okay but like when he says like oh she was so sick and depressed and didn't like this world I'm like how much do I believe about what was really going on versus like is he exaggerating well especially because he was saying like oh their whole doomsday thing that he's claiming that they were both like into thinking that like december 28th is the end of the world and they had this suicide pact and and i i call bullshit 100 and then he goes to jail and calls his sister and goes oh i actually wasn't there at all yeah like you have lost the plot my friend the credibility yeah like how am i supposed to leave anything you're fucking saying right now there's no proof of this no witnesses You know, I just don't believe you in general. So I don't know how much of this is true because a lot of it is information from him. But from what we can tell, she was struggling with some health issues. Was that a fruit fly? Yeah. Sorry. Was or is? I can't tell. Did he meet his dude? He might still be here. Sorry. I didn't mean to take away from your story. I'm sorry. No, you're fine. Okay. Right. So from what people could tell, though, Tony, at least from the outside, and I guess Megan a little bit, too, they were not doing great. She was looking a bit sick. She had lost a lot of weight. And he was actually gaining a lot of weight. And he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes at this point. They were just they were going through it. But no one except Tony knew how bad things really were, because behind the scenes, Tony was actually drowning in a financial crisis. And we don't even think Megan knew the half of it, you know, his wife. I don't think so. I don't think so. He was under federal investigation for $130,000 in Medicaid fraud at his Connecticut practice. He faced over $100,000 in personal debt to, like, 20 different lenders, some, like, really, you know, sketchy ones that you don't want to be owing money to. By late 2019, his professional license had expired. His business was collapsing. His family was facing eviction from their home in Florida. and this is when the holidays come up. 2019 holiday season. The family kind of appears to go off grid. Tony sends some weird texts to relatives claiming everyone has the flu and they're not coming back to Connecticut like usual for Christmas. Weeks of silence go by. The family orders some wellness checks. Federal agents and local deputies finally enter the home on January 13, 2020, and they discover that Tony has been living with the deceased bodies of his entire family for up to two weeks or so. Perhaps longer than that. They find him dazed. He claims to be experiencing a Benadryl overdose. He had staged his family, his victims, wrapped in blankets, holding crucifixes, almost in like a shrine-like manner. He initially provided a detailed confession claiming he and Megan both went into the suicide pact together to keep the family together in the afterlife. He outright, on recording, boldly admitted to suffocating his four-year-old daughter, suffocating and stabbing Alec and Tyler, assisting Megan's suicide by suffocating her after she stabbed herself, and then killing the family dog because they wanted to take the dog with them, and then not knowing how to kill himself. and this is that was his story that he tried so hard and he just couldn't do it but he could kill his four-year-old but right right that was a lot easier wow that part wasn't so that one actually you know and he also survived and not only that but then he like ate peanut m&ms next to his next to the baby's corpse i literally put the this morning put the peanut m&ms back in this part two i was like it deserves another fucking mention it's so i really respect that in the last episode you tried to be like well i don't want to like give off like i don't want to get too into the nitty-gritty of it but like now that's what i'm going to remember him as is like the guy who ate peter david next to his fucking dead body that's what sticks with me because i think i think it's exactly what you're saying that it's like so specific that it almost makes it just like more real and like tangible it feels like you're like can you imagine somebody doing that like that's so fucked up bear with me it feels relatable because like in a way yeah it feels accessible like to understand from a yeah exactly it feels like i don't know why because it actually feels like it's literally the least relatable thing in the entire world but it's there's something i can understand eating m&ms and it's like doing something so everyday so common so like it it's next year later it is it is i'm just going to mention it now because it's just as relevant now but the peanut m&ms they're actually on a receipt of a pellet gun he bought at a sporting goods store and he bought like i forget what soda it's not a doctor but it was like like a diet coke and a bag of peanut m&ms and then a pellet gun and pellet ammunition and like you just see the receipt and it's just like so creepy to see just like a dick sporting goods receipt with like peanut m and you're like this guy just went to the store i think it's because his family's all dead at home i mean it's just i think it's because he what he did is so hard to wrap my head around that when When you bring it back down to earth with something as simple as like, oh, he also just like goes to dicks. He also just eats M&Ms like us. And it's like. Wants a Diet Coke. Yeah. It makes it extra eerie because it's like I can somehow relate to a part of you and not be able to get. It's like if you're if you can be normal like that or human. Oh, I know. I know that guy. You're like, I could know that guy. That could be my neighbor. I could know the guy at the in front of me at the Dick's morning is buying peanut. Like, if you said, like, oh, he kills his family and then he also ate, like, a big bowl of, like, glitter and scrapple, then I'd be like, that's insane. Like, and I still can't relate and it's just as ridiculous as the rest of it. But, like, this is very, like. It feels, like, so mundane. Yeah, that's the word. Yeah, that's the word. It's my brother's favorite word. He loves it when anything is mundane. I don't know why. He just, like, loves, like, it's very emo, you know, like, just a mundane short story about someone living their life, you know. um sorry zandy i love you but uh yeah it's very mundane and that makes it like so much creepier somehow um anyway okay thank you for bringing up the peanut m&ms it was definitely in my notes so i'm glad you said it um so he admits to all of this okay and then he gets to jail and he's like i don't think this is for me he is on the phone with his sister who's fucking terrified and confused and was one of the people she her name's chrissy she's younger um she's one of the people that have called for wellness checks on the family um tony changes his story when he's talking to chrissy he starts saying um he had no memory of his confession he says he doesn't remember anything about the month of december he doesn't remember confessing which then like why do you suddenly seem to have such a vivid memory of the fact that you were not home when your wife megan murdered your children and you had no idea this is what he's telling chrissy now oops i actually wasn't there i had nothing to do with it like insane like what was and she's like you told them you did and he goes i don't remember that they literally fucking found you there what do you like it's on camera like what are you talking about god like if you weren't there when they died explain how you were able to walk inside and throw your keys on the table and see the dead corpses and blood everywhere and then just keep it moving like what do you mean and then buy peanut m&ms for dinner yeah uh don't worry i have an entire explanation for all of it from his mouth And it's very, it's very. Let's hear it. I want to go. I'm ready. It's absurd. It's absurd. It's absurd. It's bullshit. It's absurd. So now he's pleading not guilty. This is the summary of what we covered last week. And what I ended on was that in June 2020, while awaiting trial in the Osceola County Jail, Anthony Tote sent a 27 page handwritten letter to his father, Robert, a.k.a. Bob. This was their first significant contact in years, as Anthony had been estranged from Robert following a crime he was convicted of in 1980. The crime that Bob Tote, his dad, was convicted of was the crime of hiring a hitman to take out his own wife, Tony's mother. This is why this story took me so many freaking weeks to do, because it's like, it's just so many layers. And so we're saying that he had not been speaking to his father because of this atrocity. correct and yet estranged and yet here comes the 27 page letter are you gonna read the whole thing no oh my god imagine actually one of the youtubers um that i watched uh do a three-part series on this read like i think all of it most of it all of it and it's in his handwriting so there were words where she's like i literally don't know what this word says i have no idea but it is the ramblings of a madman a narcissistic dad like it's literally just a rambling of somebody that you'd be like yep obviously a total self-involved narcissist without empathy like you just read it and you're like really that's what you're complaining about in this 27 page letter wild your children were murdered and you're like i've been doing a lot of housework and you know like it's just like what are you doing he's unwell okay so i'm going to tell you the story though about bob and loretta his mom and dad um and what happened to them when he was only four years old So here's the story. Loretta Tote woke up in the late evening to find a man in her bedroom at her home in Ben Salem, Pennsylvania. This is 1980. The intruder subsequently shot Loretta in the face at close range before rifling through doors to stage a burglary. Four-year-old Anthony walked into the hallway upon hearing this gunshot and reportedly saw a man in the hallway. And some sources report that the man picked four-year-old Bob up and put him back in his bed. Oh. Loretta survived miraculously, but the bullet destroyed her left eye and remained permanently lodged in her skull, causing lifelong health struggles. Following the event, her husband, Robert Bob, claimed a Charles Manson-style cult had broken in and smeared blood all over the walls. And the police were not buying it. Okay. No? Okay. No, I know. Shocking. They arrested John. And the amount of times people probably blame Charles Manson for shit. And the police were like, we've heard that one before. It's 1980. Come on. I mean, you know, other people who killed their families, though, were like, finally, like, now I've got a really good excuse. Yeah. Perfect scapegoat. Like, Charles Manson just really helps everybody kill their family members. I guess so, because he claimed that that is exactly what happened. But police were not buying it. They arrested John Tremonti, an acquaintance that Bob knew through his teaching job, as a special education teacher. This was a former student of his brother's, I think, or at the school. Tremonti confessed that Robert Tote offered him $800 to kill a woman Bob described only as a babysitter. This is his wife, the mother of his children. Bob allegedly provided Tremonti with a house key, a .32 caliber revolver, and bullets to carry out the hit. and a newspaper testimony summaries termonti also claimed bob told him to shoot loretta and said he could stab her too if he wanted as long as the job got done ew i'm like oh and if yeah up to you a cat playing with like like yeah like torturing a mouse or something and it's like just kill the fucking mouse but it's like oh and if you want to like yank on its dead body while you're at it that's what it feels like oh you can you can play You have room to play. Yeah, you have room to do what you want. Like, yuck. I mean, it's all yuck. Investigators quickly discovered Bob was leading a double life, actually a triple life, and was scheduled to marry a nurse named Colleen Fatro just one month later. They already had their wedding date planned. Oh, my God. And he decided this would be easier, I guess, than divorcing his wife. Imagine being engaged and finding out that. Uh-huh. Oh, my God. And then she had to testify about, like, because he was actually at her house, this Colleen woman. He was at her house as, like, his alibi when this occurred. And she was having to testify what time he left. And, I mean, just to get wrapped up in something like this. Also, I said double life. I meant triple life. He was also dating. I don't know what the laws were back then. A 17-year-old girl as well. Well, I know what the law was, but I don't know what morality was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. so um i say dating loosely because i i don't know like legality wise if this is considered consensual i i assume maybe at 17 you know back then but i don't know i don't know either way it's just it's so gross and he has these three people on the hook here um and he has two kids at home and now this four-year-old literally witnessed his mother getting shot in the face okay and like remember you know decades later this is the one who literally kills his own wife and it so it's it's just such a weird cyclical like i would love to know the why behind like which we'll never get that answer but like was it was it because you witnessed this that that that changed you and it always was like now an option for you because you saw that it was an option for somebody else or like or is this something chemically where both of you had this within you genetic like uh lack of empathy or psychopathy or like yeah yeah did the event like traumatize you to the point that it was yeah in your subconscious is it something you've thought about like this is a million questions yeah i mean like was it normalized because of what happened or yeah it's i mean it's like obviously traumatizing especially like running into the guy in the hallway and then he picks you up and puts you i mean anyway let's also not speak to your father for years because of this tells me that you knew it was wrong so it's is this just a stroke of coincidence so like what are the odds two generations he's like that feels crazy like two buddies sitting next to each other totally innocent yeah yeah i know um so bob's attorney argued that being an adulterer did not make him a murderer sure that's true um they tried to say that this this chair Monty guy like did this all on his own for drug money um Loretta actually this is pretty sad too she testified for the defense and wept on stage and said her own husband would never do this even if he was having an affair he would never try to hurt her it like pretty obvious he did this but she had known him since she was 14 and like she just was like there's no way like how do you even i would be in denial too exactly um she really just couldn't wrap her head around it in 1981 the jury convicted robber of attempted homicide conspiracy and solicitation to commit murder um at the sentencing bob embraced loretta uh And she shouted at the jury that they would have to sleep with this for the rest of their lives. But fortunately, within, I don't know, maybe months, a year, they were divorced. She divorced him. And she did have to raise the children alone while struggling with, like, just the physical, the trauma, emotional, psychological. And now she is a single mom of these two kids who were also traumatized, right? Like, this is just all – it's heavy stuff. So Bob was released on parole in the early 1990s. the family really didn't have much contact with him at that point after that point and now we fast forward to 2020 okay so like 30-ish years later the child who witnessed this violence at only four years old tony grew up to be the man who now murdered his own wife and children 40 years later in celebration florida so tony writes this letter to his dad it's 27 pages i'm not gonna read the whole thing i kind of want to maybe i'll do that on like just like a bonus like a weird yappy hour yeah it's just like a sad horrible story time reading yeah yeah story time um almost a commiserate basically was this letter to about being wrongly accused like isn't it rough to be in this position his dad by the way was like you're giving me bad press oh right you did say that last time yeah you're giving me a bad look and it's like you're making me look bad yeah if he if your dad who tried to murder your mom says you're giving him bad press like hello it's gotta be bad So Tony implored Bob to trust his account of what really happened, and he even asked his father to keep the contents of the letter private between him and his wife only. Although part of me wonders if he – I mean, he's not an idiot. He knows that mail is monitored in and out. So part of me is like, I think he was trying again to lay groundwork, like writing a letter all about how great he is and what he does for his family, blah, blah, blah. So I don't think it was necessary naivete. I think he did this on purpose. It ended up biting him in the ass, thank God, because the letter's insane. But I don't think he knew that. So the narrative Tony crafted in a letter was basically an expanded version of his initial kind of plot twist where he says Megan did it all. Placed all the blame on Megan. He actually wrote, by the way, ironically, in a 27-page letter, he finally got to the murders of his family. And he wrote, long story short, are you fucking kidding me? That's how you introduce. Now let's talk about the elephant in the room. Long story short, hello. You've just spent, like, pages talking about how hard you worked on your home renovation projects, and now you're like, anyway, long story short, don't do that. Don't do that. Long story short, Tony wrote, she gave them the Benadryl Tylenol PM pie, separated them, woke up at 11.30 p.m., stabbed, and then suffocated each one. He claimed he wasn't even home when it happened, that Megan had asked him to go get Zoe's Mickey Mouse necklace from their nearby condo, and he was so tired because he had been a really good dad that day. Oh, I'm sorry. It's a really exhausting job. I'm sorry. That one day he did something right. He did. He played basketball with the kids, even though he didn't really want to. And he just loved them so much. Honestly, he's so brave. He is so brave to be admitting all of this. So he goes on and on about, like, how exhausted he was from being a really good dad and husband. And so he says he goes to get this necklace for his daughter that his wife said so he wanted. But he was so tired from all the things he did with the kids that day that he fell asleep in his van outside the condo, looked for the necklace, didn't find it. Also, side note, he told Chrissy this story, and she went to the condo, and it was exactly in the spot where he said, oh i looked in the jewelry box in her in zoe's room it wasn't there and then chrissy showed up and opened the jewelry box and was like it's literally right here so like you either didn't look you're making it up like he's not even making up a good story but anyway that's kind of besides the point but so he says he goes to get this necklace he falls asleep in the car because he's so tired because he's such a good dad then he never finds a necklace he wakes up and realizes he missed his and his wife's 4 a.m physical therapy appointment because he's been trying to help her heal from all her ailments and and he had a bad day yesterday he had to like spend time with his kids for five minutes and that was so hard um and so now he has a 4 a.m physical therapy and then he even turns this on his wife because he literally said i knew i was gonna get a scolding from my wife about this and it's like fuck you like truly there's no 4 a.m physical shut up shut up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up so he goes i'm going back to my house i know i'm gonna get a scolding worse than usual for falling asleep on her and like not going to her physical therapy whatever he rushes back allegedly and finds an eerily quiet home with all of his three children dead inside and his wife of course looking like a total lunatic saying like hi honey you know i killed the children i mean like just like really okay no guess how much i believe a hot zero percent hot zero hot zero quote i entered the house to find the melted dessert and remnants on plates on the tape by the way he's a terrible writer and like the prepositions alone it's like on on on it it's terrible writing do you think it's i mean i i i would just argue just because he's a stupid person but do you think he was nervous and like it just became a rambling because he was trying to like fill in all the blanks no i think he just like thinks very highly of himself and he writes in this sort of flowery way you know where you you're like who are you trying to impress you fucking the fucking queen yeah right like shut up and he's like yeah the creator oh god what is her name i need to look up her name so i give her credit but she was basically saying like nobody like he's basically doing this to he says this phrase all the time that's like as i am a dedicated father comma or like as i like you can just tell he has these stupid like writing tendencies that he's trying to sound like a genius i guess um you know mentioning he's a doctor mentioning like all these things about himself to his own dad to try and get approval i guess from his murderous father great um i gotta scroll through all these angelina ballerina clips to find the video i'm so sorry i thought you fucking said angela anaconda from fucking nickelodeon oh i don't even know who that is oh it's an old nickelodeon show but i was like why are you watching angela anaconda i might be now honestly angela ballerina angelina bell it's like angelina bell one season of a show that leona discovered from like 2005 with like terrible animation it's like that early like creepy stop that's angela anaconda that's exactly no oh oh oh oh it's maybe vibe maybe they're the same they're the same you show leona angela you show her that one show she might have a nightmare most likely i i'm gonna have a nightmare uh you remember like all the weird shows like on kablam yeah it was one of those shows kind of like a fever dream a little bit sorry i i was like that's i've never heard that name in years no as and you didn't hear it today either okay i heard it in my head um okay stephanie harlow sorry so that uh very well-known youtuber she did a three-part and she she's like my kind of gal she goes into newspapers.com and like pulls the like articles and it's like i found what he was eating you know like like love she's the one who's like giving me the inspiration for all these little tidbits but so the writing is just fucking annoying is what i'll say okay here is what it says i entered the house to find the melted dessert and remnants on plates on the table it was some sort of oh i remember this chick told you i'm sorry i know we're in the middle of a dark thing i just sent christine a picture of angela anaconda so i forget later but it really unlocked i'm so sorry i just unlocked something she like has a freckly face i don't remember black and white but the rest of her is not yeah but yeah anyway weird okay sorry sorry about it so on plates on the table graham cracker crust here we go oh it was some sort of fruit pudding pie in a graham cracker crust it looked pretty good as all of my wife's desserts were but smelled horrible turns out it was a benadryl pudding pie okay okay megan he claimed calmly confessed to him that she had released the children's souls according to the letter tony was so overcome he ran to the bathroom and vomited megan then in tony's telling proceeded to kill herself in front of him he said she stabbed herself in the abdomen and drank a bottle of benadryl as he watched horrified then asked him to suffocate her oh shut up and then it gets so much worse when he couldn't or wouldn't suffocate her he claims she told him i finally found something you suck at wow bitches right like i those nagging wives how did he find a way to turn his murder into him being a victim that's incredible it's incredible murdering somebody as him the victim it's like remarkable that she thinks this is gonna work and then i killed her and then she was still criticizing me um or they tried her final last words yeah it's it's it goes what did he what did he think did he think someone's gonna go man that's tough i can't believe that to you 100 100 he wanted his dad to be like oh i know how that feels you know i wonder if he's just taken lines right out of his dad's playbook could very well be could very well be the letter goes on to describe how tony left alone with the bodies of his family arranged the scene he admitted that he wanted the children to be comfortable in the afterlife and so he laid them all side by side in blankets um covered them and put rosary beads in their hands he wrote it like as if this was like a very compassionate thing i think this is somebody who doesn't really understand you're totally right compassion is so he's like trying to paint this weird like ritual picture um to impress people i totally i have a belief that um narcissists think compassion is people sympathizing for them like they think compassion is people having compassion for them that's external compassion and it feels like that's interesting he feels like he's it feels like he's writing it in a way where he hopes people have compassion for him but he would define it as he's being compassionate to another person interesting yeah yeah i mean it totally fits because it must be hard to be this guy his whole family's dead isn't that horrible yeah he'd be like what i'm doing the right things and you should feel bad for me and it's like no that's not how it works i fixed the deck by myself a few months ago what the fuck like he says shit like that he's like i did most of the work myself and it was really heavy and it's like it's just wild to hear him out loud saying things that he thinks are are the like at the at the end what he's hoping for people pat him on the back it's like well yeah yes he wants to look like the victim gross you could have been a victim in so many other ways it didn't involve killing somebody and then people would have like tolerated you you know exactly it's like you you already said you did this it's not like everybody's like oh we think he did he literally said oh yeah i killed them all okay um so now he's saying no i didn't kill any of them i just showed up and they were dead and then I put them in a lovely position on the floor to make them comfortable okay he added if I was there that night this never would have happened hence the self-blame and self-condemnation he says things like hence you know it's annoying hence the self-blame and self-condemnation but because I was being so selfish I have lost everything near and dear to me and when I leave here in a couple months yeah it's not a chance when I leave here in a couple months I will be leaving homeless and without clothes okay i'm fine with that a man whose three children were just murdered in cold blood allegedly by his wife like it feels like people we know in our lives that are narcissists where it's like you are missing the plot point like you're in a totally different book yeah it's crazy the the tunnel vision of trying to desperately make it about him but like how do you miss the much bigger plot point here? You're not even like able to pull it out enough to go. That doesn't look very good. Even if, you know, you're aspiring. Yeah. He's losing it. So he's just like, so sad because I was so selfish falling asleep in the car before my wife's 4 a.m. physical therapy because I was such a good dad the day before. That's why all this happened. Oh my God. It's like pathetic. Above all else, Tony proclaimed to his father, I am not 100, not 1,000. I am 10,000% innocent. I'm sorry. If you're. Okay. It's. Yeah. Okay. Sure. Deep immediately. I'm like, oh, so you did it. Yeah. Right. It's no better than saying you're 100% guilt free. It's correct. It's just now we're just getting elaborate for no reason. Thou doth protest too much, my friend. He says, I am 10,000% innocent of all these preposterous charges. Whenever someone says preposterous, I'm like, you're bullshitting me. I know you are. I have never heard anybody actually say preposterous charges against me. It's preposterous. Yeah. If someone said that, I think the conversation would shift quickly into a different one where I'm going, why the fuck are we talking like that? Why are we doing this? What's going on? I'm reading between the lines. What's going on? Yeah. he insisted that the only reason he hadn't gone public with the true story is that his high-powered lawyers advised him not to talk by the way he had a public defender which is fine but don't say your high-powered lawyers which he said by the way were the best in the state like it's giving like donald trump craziness you know thousand percent yeah he's like these are the best we have the best we have the best absolutely defender that you were assigned like this is not even like someone you picked so you guys will say i'm 10 000 not not guilty is that what it is uh innocent sounds exactly like something someone else would say about some 10 000 and that's mathematically accurate he should say like 58 000 or however yeah yeah yeah 48 000 more times than jesus in the bible okay uh so anyway uh his high-powered attorneys said don't tell the real story okay um but he added once he was exonerated very soon he planned to sue everyone involved again this is who else is a lot of similarities um the letter was all over the place of course he described how much work he put in a home renovation project with like with like no thanks for it was the vibe like i did so much for this family and this house and um he described his wife as nagging as burdensome he didn't say those words but he basically described that she was like always up his ass like giving him a hard time she said it pretty well when he was like she wouldn't i choked her i tried to choke her to death and she said that wasn't good enough exactly exactly i mean that's all you need to know um exactly uh oh it gets worse actually so hold on um he he though of course will describe himself as a devoted husband he did everything he always obeyed his life and that was kind of his whole thing um he said he obeyed her at every turn despite the fact that her illness had weakened her to the point that she experienced the loss of all female features oh shut the fuck basically was like she's too skinny for me to even have like want to fuck so why but look at me i'm still giving her physical therapy appointments fuck you also i love that i i don't have never seen a picture of this man i know enough about him to know that however he looked there's nothing like how that woman looked i'll yeah please sit the fuck look in him here you never oh god i'm so glad you said that because also apparently this is a side note that only stephanie harlow talked about and i was like holy shit apparently his dad is like this total health nut right and so when um he's writing to his dad and he had gained like a significant amount of weight tony had and was diagnosed with diabetes he writes in this letter like i finally have my six pack back and it's like bullshit like he's so transparent you just want daddy to like feel bad for you you know and he's like i'm eating so much protein and i'm doing pull-ups and i got my six pack and it's like what are you doing you're eating pia next to your dead family you fuck like shut up yeah and also all i had to hear was my dad was a health nut and i'm immediately analyzing like oh so you're first of all didn't have to tell me dad was a little controlling when he has already murdered mom you know yeah oops yeah yeah whoopsies um but i guess i guess that's also another another hard part of your life yeah um so yeah he goes oh no she lost all her female features okay um he also claimed he was starting a non-profit in honor of his family okay um he said he's working on a book okay this is like within this is like when he's first in prison this is like years ago like this not like recent he's already writing a book like fucking however many years ago um he has a list of lawsuits for when he gets out of here uh-huh um so bob received this letter and apparently immediately gave it to his attorney and was like what the fuck like this is my son's letter um at one point his dad like i said even said that his son's story was giving him bad press and then i just wrote lol in big letters um by july 2020 within weeks the orlando sentinel had obtained a copy of the entire letter and publish a damning article revealing its contents became front page news in the true crime world uh headlines blared things like celebration dad blames slain wife for family's murders in jail house letter uh just like very sensational people magazine nbc news they're all picking up on it um everyone is like this is insane like does he expect us to believe this like i wonder what he was telling like his close personal friends that i'm sure he had like what is he is he like wow look at me go he the only person i think he really spoke candidly with was his sister on the phone and then his dad in this letter and on the phone he definitely painted it as like man i just don't know i don't remember anything from the month of december but megan you know she's just so unwell i just don't even know what's going on and like i don't remember anything except how horrible my wife was and how bad that benadryl pie smelled like fuck you yeah that's a Great point. You remember that pretty darn well and how much basketball you played with your son. Yeah, you remember all five minutes of that. Of how good of a dad you were, yeah. Due to the pandemic, other delays, it was not until more than two years later in April 2022 that Anthony's trial took place. In the interim, Florida prosecutors decided not to seek the death penalty because it simplified the trial. And if convicted, Tony would receive life in prison automatically. Opening statements began April 11, 2022, in a Kissimmee courtroom. The prosecution presented their theory that Tony Tote killed his family to maintain control as his own life spiraled out of control. Assistant State Attorney Danielle Pinnell painted a picture of a man overwhelmed by debt and disgraced who decided to commit an extended suicide, taking his loved ones with him. the prosecution leaned into tony's own words from his confession which was taped and he had had his rights read to him it's not like he knew what was happening whatever okay um in his confession they quoted a line that he'd said to detectives that night that parents quote bring their children into this world and they get to decide when they leave he said that say it again slowly parents bring their children into this world and they get to decide when they leave they argue that tony's motive boiled down to control and possibly warped love like maybe he was like i don't want to punish them but i think it's more just like a shame spiral and you know all sorts of other things um they did acknowledge that his motive wasn't crystal clear but they said we don't really actually need to prove the motive we just need to prove that he fucking did this and he did um we have a confession we have physical forensics we have a letter blaming megan which like is clearly a hail mary 180 situation the defense meanwhile uh was very obvious in their cross examinations basically saying like they're there there's doubt there's a little doubt we don't know who made a benadryl pie could have been megan you know like just a lot of um trying to poke holes because what else are they going to do i guess if their argument is like we're just trying to prove that you could be innocent right not that you're not guilty or not that you're not guilty you're guilty just so you could be innocent and he's like but a 10 000 percent right 10 000 percent not any less than that right right right right right um yeah the they told the jury there were no eyewitnesses so there's like no way to know who really committed the murders um of course yeah of course and so they also said like oh this confession was sort of like coerced because he fell down the stairs and was on benadryl um and he doesn't even remember it uh but they were not really allowed to argue that they were like you can't argue that he had like mental health stuff like we've already kind of that's not it's not allowed in this trial uh so instead they doubled down on the storyline that megan did all of it alone as the villain evil villain well that they had options i know i love that for them that's totally what an innocent person does she's your own adventure uh several things were not allowed to be addressed during the trial the prosecution was not allowed to bring up tony's insurance fraud case which is fair probably like a separate case happening with the fbi the prosecution was not allowed to bring up tony's insurance fraud case his past mental health issues or the fact fun fact that in german the word tote means dead well you know what fun fact for you i love that even if we couldn't talk about it then we talked about it now uh you know precisely and i want to add like i looked at I saw the name Tote Family Murders, and I went, the dead family murders? What kind of fucking wild ass? And then I found out that his dad, also named Tote, tried to kill his wife. I'm like, what is going on with this fucking family? Tote, I mean, it's dead. It's like death. What are the odds? It's creepy. So, anyway, the prosecution rested its case in three days. They presented crime scene photos, autopsy reports, testimony from a dozen witnesses, including the folks who picked him up at the house to begin with. then the defense began their side they called one witness tony himself high risk move but also he insisted of course he did on telling his story on the stand so they put him on the stand uh he wore a suit and glasses he had lost a lot of weight he was 46 year old years old now he had a six-pack just kidding um i don't know that but i'm sure he'd tell you he did he spoke directly to the jurors, often through tears in what appeared to be an emotional plea, he basically rehashed his 27-page letter with more detail. Joy, help us all. 27 wasn't enough. No, no, no. Megan was the true villain, of course. She was also sick and delusional. He described how her lifelong health issues had plunged her into despair and radical beliefs. He testified that she had become engrossed in a Hinduism based belief system. Ew! I know! yeah with a focus on reincarnation and shedding bad karma like how ironic like okay you couldn't have picked something other than like buddhism the most relaxed peaceful fucking religion in the world okay like god she just believed in being radically kind and karma exactly you're fucked in that case um she started watching doomsday this is all according to him started watching doomsday videos that there is this imminent apocalypse and people are like oh my god covid was coming up but it's like yeah but he's halfway through he's in 2022 he can make this up and say she knew about an impending right nobody's saying that except him so i don't find that to be like very it's really not his best lie but i've heard so far no no so this is what he says happened between december 14th and 18th he does not know the exact date allegedly um he returned home from evening uh from looking one evening from looking for zoe's favorite necklace to find Megan eerily calm. She told him she had killed their children. He said he threw up. He ran to find his kids. He said, it's the most horrible day of my life. And then he said he returned to the primary bedroom, saw Megan standing by the bed with a knife, and out of a horror movie, she stabbed herself in the stomach and said she wanted to join the kids in death. Okay. Okay. He said he yelled for help out a window but did not leave the house. um but he did go to dicks yeah when they were all dead he'd started to go to he went to starbucks too this fuckhead right couldn't couldn't ask for help then couldn't pick up a fucking phone couldn't no well so here's the thing she had hidden their cell phones is the story oh and he's like i couldn't call anyone because she hid my cell phone and he said his best chance was to get her to tell him where the phones were rather than leaving her alone uh he said if i left her i thought she was going to die i thought the best chance was for me to tell her what for her to tell me where the phones were um he said during the last moments of her life she gave him a dramatic final speech because of course she did oh because she has the ability to speak currently stabbing herself in the stomach and drinking a bottle of benadryl okay so she told him she wanted to die to be with the kids and then expired right in front of him um okay and he then tried to explain away the next part which was living with the bodies for weeks he said after maggie died he was essentially paralyzed by grief and trauma he moved the children's bodies to clean them up he admitted he tried to kill himself and here he went into a list of all his failed suicide attempts um he said instead of trying to die out of guilt uh he actually was trying to die out of duty to join his family okay oh his duty oh i remember when he was a good dad his duty to be a dad for five seconds because like that's right but he can be a good man and and they love to be martyrs these guys they love to be martyrs it's like he loves more fucking annoying um and he said he deserved to die for not stopping megan from her atrocious act okay tony said he tried to buy a gun but was told there's a three-day waiting period but i'm like you had two weeks but whatever okay so he said there's a waiting period so instead he tried to overdose on benadryl a few times he put zip ties around his neck allegedly to hang himself from a doorknob that didn't work um he even recounted buying a pellet gun which is where i mentioned the receipt with the peanut m&ms um he of course that didn't work because it isn't necessarily lethal so he bought the pellet gun to harm himself but also made sure to get a snack before he ever that's exactly it and then ate yeah exactly yeah yeah okay and a fucking caramel macchiato yeah he's like but i'll get to the pellet gun eventually yeah i feel really i'm i need to emotionally eat first because i'm hungry My duty. I feel so bad. I failed with my duty. Jesus. Finally, he slashed it himself with a knife, he says. But in his words, he chickened out and didn't pierce deeply enough. Well, where's the fucking, where's the cut? I want to see a cut line. No clue. No clue. He's clearly trying to garner sympathy, as we've sensed. He had two weeks alone, and he is allegedly saying that they're trying to pin him for something he would never do. He's just a dutiful husband, and that's his only sin. Okay, blah, blah, blah. uh so crucially also he addressed the elephant in the room which was his confession and he said oh i don't remember that at all because i had taken benadryl i was traumatized and i fell down the stairs um and i was actually what i was doing is i was covering for my wife because i wanted to take responsibility okay she she did this horrible thing and i of course as the patriarch of the family i wanted to to defend her to protect her i sometimes i would love if if anyone knows a judge can you tell them to write into the comments because i'm so curious how they they have to take a class in law school how how to keep a straight face like good point because if i were this i would be judge judy all over this i'd be like girl like you cannot fucking think i believe you i'd be like like every five seconds yes i'd be goose honking i'd be like you are so stupid Like, I don't know how you stay partial or impartial. So the cross-examination was very intense. Danielle Pinnell, she played segments of Tony's confession tape and said, is this your voice? And he was like, yes. And it said, I suffocated my four-year-old daughter. I mean, it's like, how are you going to? Hello? Hello. He plainly describes murdering his kids, pretty chill. Pinnell asked him to explain how he could recall, like, all the details of what happened but not his uh confession and he basically said i was just trying to protect my wife's honor probably but i don't remember um unfortunately there was evidence at the scene that there was a struggle between tony and alec which is really sad because they think he woke up and fought back um there were bruises and scratch marks on him um and he was the oldest and he was like the shy one. It just made me really sad. It made me really sad. So April 14, 2022, both sides delivered closing arguments. The jury deliberated several hours, and despite some disagreement, they reached a unanimous decision. When they announced it, Tony basically just shook his head and said no every time. Guilty of first-degree murder and the death of Megan, Alec, Tyler, Zoe, and Breezy, the family dog. Tony was just like, no, it didn't do this. Meanwhile, Megan's family wept and hugged each other out of relief and sorrow. When given a chance to speak, Tony said, no, thanks. Just kidding. He said, absolutely. And he got up there to talk. And his lawyer had to try and get him to sit down two times because he talked for so long about how he didn't do this. I mean, he wrote a 27-page letter. I can't imagine speaking goes any shorter. A podium. You've got me in a podium. Yeah. They were like, they had to probably hold him down under duress. He's made a huge mistake. Stop. Yeah, this is enough. His lawyer really had to, like, pull him down. The judge, actually, now that you mention it, told Tony, you are a destroyer of worlds. Oh. Yeah. He's not fucking happy with them. He said, you've destroyed not just one world, but four, those of his wife and three kids, and in the process devastated every relative and friend who loved them. He then sentenced him to the four murder counts, life in prison, without the possibility of parole, plus an additional 365 days in county jail for animal cruelty. Okay. In the aftermath, he was sent to Florida Department of Corrections. As of mid-2022, he's incarcerated at the Santa Rosa Correctional Institution of Milton, Florida. They appealed, which is pretty standard in a murder conviction. uh and yeah he sued in 2024 he sued um the sheriff's office for releasing his letter his 27 page letter but they were like well you it's jail mail like it's monitored like you can't you can't do that okay they dismissed it um in the end um it's just just a horrible horrible story um Megan 42 uh loving mother friend sister Alexander tote 13 shy honor roll student budding musician who loved history and soccer Tyler 11 the family comedian who played folk guitar and was kind to all his neighbors Zoe four years old who liked to play princess and dance and had her brothers wrapped around her finger and of course Breezy the little white dog it's just the whole family just like extinguished in one night i mean it's just unreal it's unreal um so that's the story of the tote family murders and uh who i got goosebumps um um i do appreciate when you do the stories where it's just like so beyond an absolute narcissist yeah there's like no question no question and not that like this is at all like a laughable topic but it like it brings some sort of levity to it because it's just like this is so ridiculous like it's absurd it's like you've done something so horrible you can't pretend like we're like we're not stupid like people are not that stupid like you're a monster yeah talk your way out of this one i like the two-parters christine you should keep that going yeah that one really uh kicked my ass that first day when i was like i can't do this em i can't i can't maybe maybe you shouldn't never mind no no no it was it was good it was like really fascinating and i feel like um some of these cases just like you could go down 800 000 rabbit holes and just like never come up for air so um yeah that was a doozy but um thank you for listening everyone It's been a long episode. I apologize. I was doing my interrupt. You know, the ghost even told me to stop interrupting. No, I really feel like I made this episode about me a few times. I feel like the beginning I talked. Oh, well, God forbid we make our episodes about us. Well, thank you, everybody. We will see you. Bye. That was an accident. I don't know what I did. I was trying to minimize the full screen, and I think I minimized myself. Christina is out of here. So we'll see you next week. And that's why we drink.