He Took Too Much Vitamin D… And It Became Poisonous | Jennifer Cohen & Robby | DSH #1852

Like everyone else, I'm taking my vitamin D. I'm taking so much, or have so much vitamin D, it's actually poisonous. What? Yes. Vitamin D3 is interesting to me because it's actually lipid soluble, meaning that your fat will store it. And the science on vitamin D, FDA suggests that the range between 35 and 50 is adequate. But the real science is suggesting that 85 to 100 vitamin D3 level is actually a way that you can change your internal body chemistry, and that'll actually fight off pathogens. So in a sense, and I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but I think that the fact that they're kind of downplaying the level, the public is generally taking vitamin D, think that they're getting enough, but they're really not. All right, guys, here with Jen Cohen and Robbie from Therisage. Jen and I are on some nicotine right now. We really are. I honestly never thought it would hit me so hard. I'm like literally dying right now. Well, that means that I'm the only stable one in the paper, right? Have you tried it before? Have you dabbled with it? It's a hot thing right now. I know that. I have, but I don't do the under the tongue or sublungal. I do the ones out of the patches, so you can actually target the nicotine to a particular area that you want to. Got it. Yeah, it's hot right now. I know growing up that there was a negative stigma around it with the cigarette link, but now it seems like people are on it. Yeah, yeah. All the benefits are crazy. What are the benefits of just doing plain nicotine without, of course, I think it's the tobacco that's the problem, right? or smoking, of course, for the inhalation of smoke. What are the benefits of just taking nicotine by itself? Well, the smoking part, I mean, that's more on the addicting thing because you kind of get into like a somatic pattern where you associate the cigarette to having sex or good food or all that kind of stuff. So you have to break that free association. That's a hard one because it's got an emotional bond to it. but on the physical side nicotine in itself is an amazing um application and helps self-regulate your autonomic nervous system is one thing and biochemically it has a real creates a full chain of great physiological benefits yeah what else you taking these days oh my god um actually moving a little bit away from supplements and a couple of times that we've talked together i like this whole vibrational medicine thing. I think that's the future. Yeah. Vibrational medicine? Yeah. So basically, we harness frequencies and then we imprint them on these patches and things like that. You gave them to me before. I took one for pain and it worked. Exactly. On my back. On my number. Because I'm like sitting all there. That's interesting. You know what? Because you did give me a bunch of those. Yeah. I couldn't tell if they were working because it's psychosomatic. Like if you think something's going to work. Placebo. Placebo, right. It's going to work. If not, then it doesn't. But what are, so, Let's talk about supplements. You don't take actual supplements now? I do. Too many. You take a million, I thought. I know, we do. And that's actually what got me on it because I figured, well, hey, what is the real thing? Is it actually the supplement that's making the difference or is it the vibration and the frequency of the supplement? And it really comes down to the frequency. And so, you know, we're programmed in a sense to eat things. And through that digestion, we actually get that nutrition or get that vibration. But it's really the ultimate part of digestion is the vibration. so if we can just record the vibration and put that on our bodies then we don't really need all the food stuff and all that which is i think where the movement's going please so my idea is basically take all the supplements that i that i take rather than carrying a suitcase with me wherever i go is just record those frequencies and then put those patches on my body and i met someone here that is taking 185 supplements a day 185 he showed me the whole list and i was like scrolling through it, I'm like, oh my God. See, to me, there's been, I think what's happened, if you really want to know my opinion, is I think it's become overkill supplements. I think that people are over-supplementing themselves. And what's happening is you're just either going to pee it out or it's just going to have no effect or can be actually detrimental. So what I would suggest for people is potentially maybe just getting their blood checked and their blood panels done more often, maybe three times a year, four times, and then figuring out what they should be taking and then over only supplementing for that. Right. So why I'm even bringing this up is for me, you know, everyone talks about vitamin D. Vitamin D is like everyone, that's like the staple. And then, so of course, like, like everyone else, I'm taking my vitamin D. And the way I found out was I've actually, my body is now, or I'm taking so much or have so much vitamin D. It's actually, it's been poisonous. What? Yes. Yeah. You can get too much. You can get, you can get poisoned off taking too much vitamin D. How many, what's the IEL? I was taking 5,000 ICU. I was taking 5,000 ICU every single day. That's what I was taking. Because that's the standard amount that people say. But now it's gone up to now people are taking 10,000 ICUs. And so you can actually be doing your body harm. So I had to like, I actually stopped taking them. But I think the ones I'm taking is omega-3. I take creatine, five milligrams a day. I started off with 2.5. Then, of course, I take my NAD, but I only take NR, which is triniogen. Have you ever – I've seen that one. I feel like I might be a bit young for NAD. You are way too – how old are you? You're like 10. Well, you look like you're 10, by the way. Yeah. So for like old people like me, NAD is like the hot thing, right? Old. I'm the senior at the table. By the way, I mean, you know, compared to this guy here, I think we're all seniors, right? Biological age is what matters, right? Right. Something like that. Right. Actually, no, not biological. How you feel, it's more like how... You don't buy into the biological age stuff? I don't know that. I do. You do? Yeah. I think there's some truth to it. I think people get carried away, though. A little bit. But on the vitamin D thing, vitamin D3 is interesting to me because it's actually lipid soluble, meaning that your fat will store it. Okay. Okay, and the science on vitamin D, FDA suggests that the range between 35 and 50 is adequate. But the real science is suggesting that 85 to 100 vitamin D3 level is actually a way that you can change your internal body chemistry. Wow. And that'll actually fight off pathogens. So in a sense, and I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but I think that the fact that they're kind of downplaying the level, the public is generally taking vitamin D, think that they're getting enough, and they're really not. Crazy vitamin D story. Finish your point. And to your point, you can overdose on it because if you get to over 100, that's when it becomes detrimental. So you were over 100. I was over 100. Jeez. And it has a lot to do with your skin color. So you're a little on the fair skin side. Yeah, she's done. You tan a little bit, right? I do tan. It looks like that way. So tanning is actually a chemical reaction by a skin cell that's called melanocyte. Melanin actually gives you a tan. It's our natural way to filter UV light that creates vitamin D so that as the more sun exposure you get, the tanner you get, the more light you need in order for you to make the proper amount of vitamin D. So darker skinned people need more natural sunlight in order for them to make the same amount of vitamin D3. We'll see you next time. com slash dsh. Someone that might be fair skinned. Well, how about this? That makes perfect sense actually to me. But what about liposomal? And also there's a couple of things. The liposomal is a big thing right now to take it that way. The other thing is if you're not taking vitamin D, even though it fat soluble if you just take vitamin D3 without K2 or without a fat like some kind of channel what happens to it Can you even not digest it but is it even being absorbed Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's the problem. The problem is that, see, in order to do it properly, you should take a vitamin D scan or blood test. And people don't realize when they take a CBC or regular blood tests, it doesn't cost any more to ask for a vitamin D3 panel. So you just say, hey, add vitamin D. So then you actually have a baseline, God bless you. You have a baseline, so you know where you're starting from. Then let's say you take 5,000 units a day. And then in three months, you take another D3 test again. And you see if you went from 40 to 50 or 40 to 60 or 40 to 80, you see how your body is actually metabolizing that D3. And then you know how to down-regulate the amount you're taking so that in wintertime we have less sun exposure and we're wearing like heavier clothing and the way we get it naturally is through our skin pretty much right because our skin is actually a photo cell that grabs this this vitamin d or the uv light and converts it so during wintertime we should take more because we have less light exposure than during summer because generally speaking you're wearing well not you jen because you're always wearing like you're always skin exposed i am okay that's good though it looks in a good way really if you if you have it if you have it you're supposed to flaunt it isn't that how is that right i don't think i'm really flaunting anything really right now i'm wearing jeans and a tank top but okay i'll take it look at look at the three of us i know more skin exposed well not by that much he's got four more inches of sleeve than i do because i don't have the muscle to flex well yeah but you know when i start lifting more are you squat rock more oh right the squat but that's right. I did tell you about that. Yes. Oh, one crazy story of vitamin D. I think I almost overdosed once. Okay. So every blood test I've ever done, I've been super deficient. Like I just got one last month. I'm at a 24. Okay. What? That's really low. So I took, yeah, I know. I took 25,000 ICU. Right. I thought I was going to die. Yeah. I felt so bad. I don't know. Like my whole body tightened up. You ate it or did you actually? It was 5,000, five of those. Yeah. 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Common once a week to take almost 100,000, and they can take an injectable. Remember, it's fat soluble. So when it's fat soluble, it means that it's stored in your fat, and it almost time releases into your bloodstream. Well, I didn't eat. It was on an empty stomach. I felt like I was going to die. I had to lay down the whole day. Was it like the nicotine? Worse, if you could believe it. I had that same experience with a niacin flush. for detox. Oh, that's crazy too. What's up? Oh yeah, I told Melody, my wife, to just call the ER. What is that? Well, it's a chelating way to pull poisons out of your cells. Like a way to detox. So you had so much poison in that? Well, no, it was actually, it took too much. You're supposed to actually, yeah, you're supposed to sort of step into it, you know? And I just said, hey, yeah, if a little bit's good, then a lot's got to be bad. Wrong. And so what happened, I said, within a minute I had what was called a histamine response. It was kind of like, you know, those cartoons where you see like a thermometer and it's mercury and it goes all the way up and it bursts out of the top. That's what I felt like. I said, Nellie, call the medics. I'm going to die. Oh, my God. I mean, like, that's the only time I've ever said that to her in my life. And I'm a Dr. Jekyll Hyde guy. Like, I experiment with all my technology on myself so that I can know how my body responds. And it's a good barometer in a way, you know. If you're selling products, you might as well take them, right? Yeah, that's a good one. It is nice to stand behind the things you do. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I think it's important, to be honest. If you're selling health products, you've got to back your own product. You've got to be using your own stuff. Yeah. What's your favorite health product right now? Oh, my God. A lot of trends these days. Right now, being around you guys, that's what's giving me my energy. I'm really loving this new Thera Air that we just came out with. We figured out a way to actually—it's called Rainforest Air. And basically what happens is in the rainforest at the early part of the morning, a dew droplet forms, which is a single water molecule forms on a leaf. And then the sun rises and it restructures that single water molecule. And then it combines with air. The plant sucks that in. And this is the way the entire plant kingdom on the planet actually converts sun energy through photosynthesis to plant energy, right? Which is like a key to things that are happening. I don't really chase trends anymore. I just want clothes that work, feel good, and last. I've stopped buying a lot of clothes and started buying better ones. Stuff that fits right, holds up, and I actually wear. That's why I've been going with Quince. They've got basics I actually use, organic cotton sweaters, clean polos, lightweight jackets, stuff that holds up to daily wear and still looks good. The quality's solid and everything's built to last. What makes Quince different is how they do it. They work directly with top factories, cut out the middleman, and you're not paying for brand markup, just quality clothing. and they only partner with factories that meet high standards for craftsmanship and ethical production. Refresh your wardrobe with Quince. Go to quince.com slash dsh for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. That's quince.com slash dsh. Now available in Canada too. Free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com slash dsh. It used to be that technology which has 25 years of science on it, so it's like for real. It used to be tied to like a bubbling water source type deal. But the problem with that is that it creates mold and bacteria forms on the water side. When I actually pulled it apart, I realized what was really happening was the light frequency was attaching to the oxygen molecule, not to the water molecule. But there's H2O. So the O in H2O was where the light source was attaching itself to. So now we created a device. It's called TheraAir that doesn't use water. You take, it filters the air in the room. We run it over a specialized light frequency or catalyst, which emulates the sun, that early morning sunlight. And it attaches that light to oxygen. And you sit there and you just breathe it. And so you're breathing light directly through into your body, into your cells. Wow. So everybody knows that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. Well, what powers the mitochondria? Light. So we're actually powering your mitochondria. So people that have like chronic disease, chronic fatigue, like anything like that, just like rather than Red Bulls. And I have nothing against the Red Bull, although I've never had one. Really? You've never had a Red Bull? And I've never smoked a cigarette either. That's impressive. Yeah. Wow. Personal choice. Again, no judgment here. So I'm sure it's good for people that might be listening. It's all good. But the idea that we can actually harness light just by breathing, imagine stacking that. Like you're sitting and reading or you're sitting in sauna or you're just hanging out watching TV and, you know, and just breathing in light directly into your body, directly into your cells. Like most of the reasons why we have chronic fatigue or any kind of chronic ailment is because our cells aren't powered enough by their mitochondria to support our immune systems to fight off these diseases. So we're just reworking that equation. And I feel so strongly about this technology, like I did about infrared. I think it's the next big way we're doing right now. Oh, yeah. Breathing in light. Breathing in light. That's a new one. What kind of light, though? It's a light. Red light? No, well, it's actually in that frequency. I can expose that today because it actually part of the secret sauce Oh it is Okay That not in it first I don know if you can patent sunlight but I wouldn like to divulge that right now So it is a very specific type of light It's a very specific frequency of light. They're measured in nanometers. Interesting. So how much would you have to do a week? The studies are 21 minutes a day, three times a week. And your mouth has to be open? Like, how does it work? No, you just breathe like this. Okay, so if it's 21 minutes, three times a week, Can you do one sitting at 60 minutes or 63 minutes? Well, I do it an hour a day. That's a lot. So you can't overdose on this stuff. You cannot? No. You're talking about nature. No nicotine will be crazy. No nicotine overdose. Right. That's what I'm doing most of talking about. Right. Both of us are like, where am I? And similar to the frequency medicine like we were talking before, you can't take too many vitamins like you experienced, right? You can't take too much frequency. Your body absorbs what it needs, what it doesn't need. It either lets go. if it's gotten completely saturated or you've had enough. It's a frequency. We're surrounded with frequencies. Yeah. We can try that out. It's the world we're in. Wow. Do you have a question, Sean? No, I'm just vibing. I'm on nicotine right now. Jen, what have you been up to? It's been like a year since I've seen you. Oh, my gosh. I mean, do we have time? I thought we only had like 15, 20 minutes. Yeah, we've got like three more minutes, I think. Do you want me to tell you what I've been up to in a year, in three minutes? A podcast? Yeah, you could do it. That's a lot. You could do it, though. You could do it. a lot. Remember you're on nicotine. I am on nicotine. I'm doing a lot of stuff. Obviously I'm doing my podcast habits and hustle, but I'm doing a lot of other stuff. I'm actually doing a lot of speaking these days. Um, a lot. So, and I'm also creating a different course and I'm doing a lot of like brand work and there's a lot of other things to go, but that nicotine honestly has hit me. I am so, I cannot be concise right now, but, um, I'm always doing a lot of different things. I, I actually, um, I think that like my overall, like, I think what I like to do is always think of new ways to kind of iterate what I'm doing to make it better. So like right now I'm trying to, I'm going to be iterating the podcast. I can't tell you what I'm doing right now, but I'll, I'll tell you maybe next time we talk and I think we're doing another thing later. That's how I'm thinking too. Cause there's so many pods now. You got to stand up. Well, that's the thing. Like, I feel like everyone and their dog has a podcast now. I don't really chase trends anymore. I just want clothes that work, feel good, and last. I've stopped buying a lot of clothes and started buying better ones. 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And so I feel like unless you're doing something that's a little bit more unique and original, you're just going to get buried with the amount because that's the problem. So how do you take something that's now become very, very typical for everybody to then make it a little bit more original? Yeah, you got to innovate because it used to be like, If you have a big name on, guaranteed views. But it's not like that anymore. Not at all. But maybe it's a topic. No, it's actually not. Well, the personalities. I do believe, I do think that good content will always kind of rise to the top. But it's so noisy right now that you do need to have, you've got to be tricky into how you even get the noise to eliminate some noise around you. And it's not about having big names. I mean, you and I probably, you tell me what you think. But I can now, just because you have a big name on your podcast does not mean you're going to get downloads. Doesn't matter. Actually, my most viewed episodes are not big names. I was going to say, me too. In fact, actually, if I see somebody is too overexposed, I don't want them on my podcast. Because what I've noticed is if someone has a book coming out or something to plug or promote, they'll do like everybody. And then like that is the noise that I'm talking about. So besides just like not putting those people on your show and maybe finding them more like gems and diamonds that are kind of unknown, what else can you do to iterate? That's the thing. That's what I'm thinking about too. I'm thinking about like standing episodes, walking in a park episodes, saunas episodes. You got to get creative. But now people are also doing all those kitschy things like doing podcasts and saunas. You know how I started this podcast? I don't even probably think you know. No. I was doing them on treadmills. So I had this deal where I had two woodway treadmills facing each other, like me and the basin, one here, one there. I love that. And we would walk and talk. And what happened was, and so people started to get super competitive, though, with me. So like if- Still taking your pre-workout after you get to the gym? You're already late. What if your pre-workout actually worked with your body? Are you tired of artificial energy drinks? meet NO Beats, a beet-based nitric oxide booster that supports your body's natural nitric oxide production for increased blood flow, mitochondrial ATP energy, and endurance naturally. N101 nitric oxide lozenges is a smarter way to fuel your workout. Just dissolve it in your mouth and it starts working before your first rep. No mixing, no jitters, no crash. More nitric oxide means better blood flow, stronger pumps, and sustained energy without caffeine overload. Plus, it supports your cardiovascular and cognitive health too. You can support your body's nitric oxide production daily and feel the difference with N101. Just mix one packet with a little water and take it as a shot 10 to 20 minutes before training. Pop a lozenge 10 to 15 minutes pre-workout and feel the difference. Train smarter with N101 at N101.com. I was on like, let's say a two, then the person beside me would be like, oh, she's on two, I'll go to 2.1. And I'll be like, oh, he's on 2.1, I'll go to 2.2. And people were like, people were like passing out on the treadmills. So like we had to stop doing it because either people were tripping, they were passing out and it was super hot in the room. But I think that type of thing, at least it's visually different, right? I got one for you, trampoline. Do the jump sport. Do a trampoline. Oh yeah, all right, jump sport one. That's a great one. A trampoline one. I actually am thinking of going back on the treadmill, but doing it a little bit more, doing it a little differently. I don't want to be sitting for all those hours. Sitting is the new smoke in the cell, right? What was your latest TED Talk? That topic I thought was so interesting. Oh, that. Okay, so I've done like, by the way, were you asking me what I've been doing since I've seen you once? I've done two. Those are no joke. You've got to prepare for once because you've got to memorize the whole thing. You've got to memorize the whole thing. It's like a whole thing. It's a huge process. That's why I haven't done it. Have you done one? Not yet, no. TED Talk? Yeah, I've done two. Actually, probably, yeah, I've done two since I've seen you. I know it's no joke. No. And the last one, I mean, are we doing this again? Because I can tell you about it next time, because since we have to leave, you said. Next guest isn't here, so go ahead. Oh, the next guest isn't here. Okay, do they stand you up? They might be running behind. Oh, shoot. They might be on nicotine and also the whole one. That's what Dave's doing. He's out there dosing everybody before they come in. That's hilarious. um yeah so my last TED talk was called was basically it hasn't even it hasn't even come out yet I I recorded it and it comes out in a couple months but the whole premise behind I have a whole theory my whole hypothesis in life is that your squat rack is actually can be is actually more important for your success than your GPA wow yes and this and what I mean by that is I think that people start taking their fitness seriously that the the skills that you learn from that will supersede college, anything else, because you're learning discipline, delayed gratification, patience, self-confidence, self-efficacy, all the things that actually create someone who's successful, but not just successful financially. I'm talking both personally successful, professionally successful, because I think those are like... I don really chase trends anymore I just want clothes that work feel good and last I stopped buying a lot of clothes and started buying better ones Stuff that fits right holds up and I actually wear That why I been going with Quince They got basics I actually use organic cotton sweaters, clean polos, lightweight jackets, stuff that holds up to daily wear and still looks good. The quality's solid and everything's built to last. What makes Quince different is how they do it. They work directly with top factories, cut out the middleman, and you're not paying for brand mark off just quality clothing and they only partner with factories that meet high standards for craftsmanship and ethical production. Refresh your wardrobe with Quince. Go to quince.com slash dsh for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. That's quince.com slash dsh now available in Canada too. Free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com slash dsh. Those are foundational things, skills that carry you through your life. And it's not being taught anymore. It's not about squats. It's about the idea that it doesn't have to be squats. The idea was that's more a metaphor. The squat rack was just a metaphor. But the idea is that if you train yourself to do things that are hard day in and day out, that becomes your normal. It teaches you to kind of push through when times are tough. But what it also does is that it gives you a sense of self-worth and a sense of self-confidence because you are proving to yourself. The reason why people lack confidence in the world is because usually, not always, but usually is because they're not following through on the things that they say they're going to do, the tasks they're going to give themselves. and if you can prove to yourself that you can do hard things and you follow through on things that you say you want to do, going to do, that breeds a sense of confidence that you can't get, you can't buy. I love that. I lacked confidence growing up, so that's relatable. Yeah, you know, the other part to that too that I think is important is, and we all have it, is sort of limiting beliefs. And so you shatter those limiting beliefs when you start proving to yourself you can do things that are outside what you thought were your limitations before. The thing also is I think we're living in a world where everything is about affirmations and external validation. And the reality is confidence cannot be affirmed. It has to be earned. And that's the truth. You have to earn self-confidence. And the only way to do that is through yourself. You can't look at someone else to kind of give you a sense of self-worth, self-esteem, and self-confidence. And how do you do that? You do that by, again, proving to yourself that you can do things that you otherwise thought you couldn't and doing them over and over and over again. And the other thing is I think also when you get physically strong, you get mentally strong. Agreed. And I think that is the cycle that works. And I've used myself as an example, right? I was the guinea pig in my life doing that. And I think, you know, I think that all as you were getting big in what you do, I think that you have that's the best people to teach you or when they have to do it themselves. I'm sure with you, whatever you're whatever you do is because you had something that you had to work through and now you're teaching other people. Yeah. But, you know, too, you're also modeling a behavior. You're publicly talking about it. But even internally within your own family structure, your kids see what you do, and then they become an example of that. Well, everything is role modeling, right? But people learn, I think there's a stat that people learn 74% better by watching or visual than they do by you just telling them, especially if they're kids, right? So if you want your child to act a certain way or be a certain way, be the model for that, right? It's like do what I do, not what I say. I think they say like 20% of what you hear is what you retain. Oh, is it? Yeah. It's actually not that much. I'm very visual-based myself in what I do. That's like 74%. Yeah. It's very, very important. I'm pretty audio-based. Yeah. But I know people that are visual. I think everyone has learning styles, right? Everyone has learning styles. But I think children especially, though, I mean, listen, they hear everything. but what they actually see is much more, they retain that much more than just like saying something over and over again. Right. The other talk I did was how to build mental strength in children. That was the other TED talk I did before that. Yeah, I love that one. That's great. What a great talk about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Well, the nicotine guys here. No, I'm just kidding. Here we go. Oh, let's end off with power of likability. Right now? Yeah. Is that a big topic? This is a massive topic, yes. All right. We'll save that for the next one then. Okay, so we could talk about it now. We could do it now or later, whatever you want to do. You want to touch on it? How important do you think it is to be likable? I think likable is the most underrated, underutilized success skill there is. I think that there are people, you know, you could be the grittiest, most aggressively driven, ambitious person in the world, but if you're not likable, nobody's going to want to work with you. No one's going to want to help you. No one's going to want to promote you. So if you, I think likability is a skill. And I think if you want to be successful again in life, you need to be likable. And then there's, and then I break it down into what makes somebody likable. I think likability is a soup of a lot of different qualities. But I think there are three things that stand out. The first is empathy. I think if you want people to, like I said, like you and want to help you and want to support you, you need to show them that you not only you understand them, you don't have to agree with them, but you need to understand them, listen to them, and see them. Yeah. I think active listening is very, very important. And I can go on and on. Yeah. I think it's important. You don't want to get too carried away because I was a big people pleaser growing up. But being a people pleaser is very different. Actually, people pleasing makes you unlikable. And that was what messed me up because I I thought it made people like me, but it didn't. It didn't. I got no respect for doing that. Right. And so there is a fine line between being likable, right, and being a people, or not even likable, about being nice and being a people pleaser. Right. And being kind and being a people pleaser. Nobody wants to be around a people pleaser. I think it's like a turnoff, actually, more than anything. I think it is these days. Well, you know, the download I got when I was listening to you just now was like, to what extent do you go to try to be likable? like some people really go too far to an extreme they fake it yeah yeah they fake but i think that that's not that's not sincere like ability i think let me just finish what i think makes somebody likable and then we can kind of take so empathy is the first uh the second thing i think is enthusiasm i think people want to be around people who are enthusiastic and you have to and that's not being like fake or being just like mr positivity but it's about like attitude there's a lot of things we can't control in life but the one thing that we can is our own attitude right i can't control it you do why you can't control i do but how you show up and how you appear and how you kind of present yourself to the world have have a good attitude that's the other one enthusiasm empathy and there's one more do you want to know what that is what is it well you tell me what do you think uh is it effort what is it no what do you think it is well i like being authentic authenticity oh i should have known that yes authenticity that's that is those are the three so except again people don't like fake right i and and by the way think about for yourself right when you when you gravitate or when you think about someone that you like yeah what are the things that kind of are you kind of like that you kind of like psychologically or like definitely authenticity you know right people don't people don't like phony and so authenticity is a third one that's like my most important thing when i'm evaluating someone if they're being truthful honestly or just or being real like you don't have to agree with them you don't have to even like you don't you could be very polar opposite but if you know that they are being who they are i think that in itself just gives them like a feel you you like them more 100 right yeah it also adds a little more credibility to the discussion yeah 100 yeah well that was fun guys um let's wrap this up and uh get into the next one thanks for coming on guys thank you okay Check them out, guys. 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