Mega-Mailbag: Belichick Misses HOF, Shedeur Makes Pro Bowl, Bills Hire Joe Brady, and Craig Was an Extra in 'The Fate of the Furious'
93 min
•Jan 28, 20264 months agoSummary
This mega-mailbag episode covers major NFL coaching changes including Bill Belichick's Hall of Fame snub, the Bills' controversial hiring of Joe Brady, and Aaron Glenn's mass firing of Jets coaches. The hosts also discuss Shedeur Sanders making the Pro Bowl, analyze embarrassing high school moments from listeners, and explore why boomers don't drink water.
Insights
- Hall of Fame voting is increasingly influenced by personal grudges and media relationships rather than pure merit, as evidenced by Belichick's first-ballot rejection despite unmatched coaching accomplishments
- NFL coaching hires are becoming more emotionally reactive than strategically planned, with teams firing successful coaches then promoting coordinators from the same staff, creating fan confusion
- The Pro Bowl has lost all credibility as a meaningful award when backup quarterbacks with poor statistics can make the team due to injuries and declining participation from elite players
- Generational differences in health behaviors (water consumption, energy drinks, sports hydration) reveal fundamental shifts in how different age groups approach wellness
- Organizational dysfunction often manifests through rapid, unexplained staff changes that signal internal chaos rather than strategic improvement
Trends
NFL coaching carousel becoming increasingly chaotic with emotional ownership decisions overriding strategic planningHall of Fame voting standards shifting from merit-based to relationship/narrative-based selectionPro Bowl declining in relevance as elite players opt out and injury replacements diminish credibilityGenerational health behavior divergence between boomers avoiding water and younger generations consuming energy drinks dailyGirl Scouts cookie sales model showing pyramid scheme characteristics with minimal troop revenue despite high retail pricesCoaching staff turnover accelerating mid-season and immediately post-season rather than following traditional offseason patternsQuarterback evaluation becoming more dependent on coordinator influence than individual talent assessmentOrganizational transparency declining as teams make major decisions without clear public communication strategies
Topics
Bill Belichick Hall of Fame SnubNFL Coaching Hires and FiresJoe Brady Buffalo Bills Offensive CoordinatorAaron Glenn Jets Coaching Staff OverhaulPro Bowl Selection CredibilityShedeur Sanders Pro Bowl SelectionNFL Draft Guide and Mock DraftsBoomer Health Behaviors and Water ConsumptionGirl Scout Cookie Sales ModelHigh School Embarrassing MomentsFast and Furious Movie ExtrasButton-Up vs Button-Down Shirt TerminologyVegas Celebrity EncountersEnergy Drink Consumption TrendsNFL Offensive Coordinator Job Market
Companies
Netflix
Discussed as platform for Alex Honnold's Taipei 101 climbing special with 10-second broadcast delay
ESPN
Reported on Bill Belichick's Hall of Fame voting results and NFL coaching decisions
The Ringer
Host network for the podcast; Danny Kelly's draft guide published on Ringer.com
Girl Scouts of the USA
Discussed as organization with pyramid scheme-like cookie sales model taking 85 cents per $5-6 box
Dunkin' Donuts
Mentioned as breakfast option in listener mailbag segment
People
Bill Belichick
Failed to make Pro Football Hall of Fame on first ballot despite 6 Super Bowl wins as head coach
Bill Polian
Hall of Fame voter who reportedly blocked Belichick's induction as penance for Spygate controversy
Joe Brady
Promoted from Bills offensive coordinator to head coach; previously worked with LSU championship team
Sean McDermott
Fired as Bills head coach after 9 years of success; blamed for draft decisions by ownership
Aaron Glenn
Jets head coach who fired 8 position coaches three weeks after season ended, signaling organizational chaos
Josh Allen
Bills quarterback reportedly involved in coaching interview process despite team's public denial
Mike McCarthy
Hired as Steelers head coach; emphasized maintaining traditional organizational approach in press conference
Jim Harbaugh
Hired as Chargers head coach alongside Mike McDaniel as offensive coordinator
Mike McDaniel
Moved from 49ers offensive coordinator to Chargers offensive coordinator; known for quotable personality
Brian Daboll
Hired as Titans offensive coordinator under Robert Saleh; known for developing quarterbacks
Shedeur Sanders
Made Pro Bowl despite limited playing time and poor statistics, highlighting award's credibility issues
Alex Honnold
Free solo climber who scaled Taipei 101 for Netflix special with 10-second broadcast delay
Tom Brady
Referenced as quarterback who benefited from Belichick's coaching; won 7 Super Bowls together
Danny Kelly
Co-host who released draft guide with top 32 big board and mock draft on Ringer.com
Quotes
"What kind of coach you have to be? Bellichick, I have to associate. Six Super Bowls isn't enough."
Danny Kelly•Early in episode discussing Hall of Fame snub
"Bill Belichick is very obviously the best football coach in modern history, and it's like just Paul Brown. It's literally like Amos Stagg and Walter Kampin, Vending Football, and then Paul Brown making it a professional thing and then Bill Belichick."
Craig Hoolbeck•Hall of Fame discussion
"Water, rocks, wood, and rust's metal. Why would I put that in my body? Do you know what Coca-Cola does, sir? They use it to get blood out of things."
Boomer father (via email)•Boomer water consumption segment
"The cookie sold for five or six bucks per box. The troop only receives 85 cents per box sold. The rest goes to various levels of the aforementioned pyramid scheme."
Email from Girl Scout parent•Girl Scout cookie discussion
"I was in a Fast and Furious movie. Really? Yeah. Do you have a line? What are the fuck are you talking about? I was an extra in a Fast and Furious movie."
Craig Hoolbeck•Late in episode discussing movie extras
Full Transcript
Welcome to Bring Your Fantasy Football Show! My name is Gain and Hyde 6th and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Hoolbeck and we are going to do a mail bag. We have a ton of emails from you guys that we actually have so many emails and we are looking at you guys. You have to do an entire mail bag episode and then the NFL screwed it up and has a bunch of coach hiring and fireings that we are going to go over first. But before even all that, Danny Kelly, your draft guide is out. Your top 32 big, good mock draft and infill draft outfit. Ringer.com. Just go to the Ringer.com. It's there at DK. We are going to have a whole breakdown of your draft guide. But one, who was the player you resented most having to do the guide? I resented the most. That is a good question. Let's say the quarterbacks are always the hardest. There's just so many variables with the quarterbacks. So I guess maybe Dante Moore for going back to school. That's right. We'll save the analysis for next year. Who is the best name that you've scouted so far? Oh, that's a really good question. Let me just hold this up. I have an immediate. There's a guy called Vega-Iwane. I don't know. Hopefully I'm saying that right. Vega is short. His first name, I'm not even going to try to pronounce it. Vega-Iwane is probably my favorite. He's a guard from Penn State. And you do have him going to the Jets. So that's why I can't work out. What could go wrong? Oh, the other one. Real quick. Sunny styles. Sounds like a wrong star. So we're going to do a whole episode on this week. He's a linebacker. Craig, you're probably liking this guy. He's a Ohio State super ranger. Hi. That's my type. I know your type. He's going to fit right. I love ranger buck eyes. You can see a ring. They call it the ranger buck eye back in the day. I was going to say, when we go to the combine, I'm going to have to talk to Sunny Styles and see if anyone's ever called him Sunny. Yeah. Oh, God. Is it S-O-N-N-Y? It is. It is. If DK, this was literally what I was going through the class, once it goes to the first thing I wrote down, was I have to ask, I have to talk to Sunny Styles. That's funny. I did not even put that together. That's good. All right. If people don't know we're talking, it's fine. I've never mispronounced Sunny ever. OK, so yeah, we're going to, we have a really fun mail bag. But first we're going to hit all the send and fill in these. I, God, you mentioned that Jetson tempted to start there. But we should probably just go through all these disaster teams and just various updates. OK, we just finished recording. And then we are starting again, because while we were doing that episode, Bill Bellicic checked did not make the Hall of Fame for the NFL. What we were doing at the first ballot. Not first ballot. Yeah, Don Van Nott and Seth Waker-Sham wrote about this in ESPN. In voting earlier this month, Bellicic felt short of the 40 out of 50 votes needed for induction to the pro football Hall of Fame during his first year of eligibility. Four sources with firsthand knowledge of the outcome to ESPN Bill Bellicic received a call from a Hall representative last Friday afternoon with the news that he won't be inducted into the Hall and can't know how this summer. What's the fuck are we doing? What kind of coach you have to be? Bellic, I have to associate. Six Super Bowls isn't enough. Yeah, exactly. So the reporting says here that the cheating stuff apparently is the reason why people aren't voting for him? Bullshit. First of all, God, look at how much have I hated the Patriots and talked about how much I hate the Patriots? I'm going to defend them. So this is Super Bowl 60, right? So Bellicic checked one six as a head coach. That's 10% of all Super Bowls. He also won two more. His boat's named eight rings. That's 12 of the 59 Super Bowls. He's won. What coaches have gotten in first ballot? Because what the fuck do you have to do to get in first ballot? Here's my question. Let's put the obviously he's qualified. We don't even have to give that the argument. Before we even get to the cheating stuff, let's be honest. Is this public tourist fault? I'm half kidding, but like if none of this stuff comes out, if he doesn't go to UNC, if he just does the man in cast this year, and we don't hear from him the other six days until one eight three hours a week or whatever, and we don't know any of the Jordan Hudson stuff. Does this have Jordan Hudson is affecting his Hall of Fame candidate? I don't think my first thought was no, that's not what it is. My first thought is he's just a dick and a lot of people don't like him. I think that's, he didn't treat the media well and the media votes on it. I gotta tell you, I don't like it. I root it, it is like Barry Bonds. I don't, well, it's like steroids, but it was not, yeah. I, my immediate reaction to this, and I say this is someone who doesn't like the Patriots, but Bill Belishek is very obviously the best football coach in modern history, and it's like just Paul Brown. It's literally like Amos Stagg and Walter Kampin, Vending Football, and then Paul Brown making it a professional thing and then Bill Belishek, like that's 150 year history of football. I think the idea that you would, you know what it is? It's, I think sometimes the people in the room, you give people a little bit of power, and then they kind of, it's not like malicious, but you're kind of like, should he? We're upholding the integrity of the game, and I'm like, you're getting in the way of the Patriots. He said some mean stuff when I asked questions to him. Yeah, he did spike it 25 years ago, and 20 years ago, and so you're gonna, he's not a Hall of Famer, but then it's like, oh, no, you're just gatekeeping, you're not a first ballot Hall of Famer. You'll be a second ballot Hall of Famer. It's like, get the fuck out of here. You kidding me? That's so weird. Bill Polion, who's just, sorry, the source loser of all time got, like he was so mad about the handshacking in the 2006 playoffs, got all the NFL rules changed for Bill Polion, changed the NFL rules, and then now, this is what Bill Polion's spending his time on. He's like, I don't want Bella chick to be a first-rounder, because it's saying that the cult's lost 20 years ago. I need to see who he's up against, and who's going to be a first-ball at Overhim. But this is also a thing with baseball, obviously, the baseball Hall of Famer's a whole other thing, where it's like, oh, it's a museum, and like, why don't we're just not gonna talk about Barry Bond? How's that good for your sport? But there's also the gatekeep. It's like, you know what, it's not that different than the one guy who didn't vote for EG Row, which ironically, the same effects are gonna happen with Bella chick, and this is why I don't care if he'll I'm ending just to make the whole fame, because they're not gonna put Eli Manning in, so you know what's gonna happen? We're gonna talk about Eli Manning's case for 15 years, which is funnier, like, you'll hear more about him because they didn't make it. Bella chick's gonna get defended because they didn't make it, so these people kind of like, Bill Polion probably fucked up. It's like, destroys the effect. He's strong attention to it. But like, I, the gatekeeping of first-ballot, to me, is my least favorite thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's gonna come back to the NFL next year and win a Super Bowl. Just to fucking just- I think the Browns job is- Piss of off. Miles Garrett would be Lawrence Taylor. I don't know. That's my immediate reaction is just, the gatekeeping of first-ballot- It's petty, it's so petty. And like, hiding very high school, grudge match-esque feelings behind for tending, it's about the integrity of the game is pathetic. Bill Polion told voters, he believed, Bella chick should wait a year before induction as penance for spy gate. Penance. I will say deflate, and while we're here, and so Seth Wicker-Sham and Don Vinata reported this to you, is being- So Seth Wicker-Sham's reported this deflate gate and how stupid deflate gate was about, you know, I'm getting a congressional, whatever, the gate- didn't Robert Mueller do the fucking deflate gate? Think about that 10-year period. But like, the deflate gate was because the NFL owners were mad that the Patriots weren't punished for spy gate. They were mad that the extent of the videotaping in the 2000s was larger, and like, you know, people at the NFL, Jeff Pash, a lot of people have, it's been reported that the idea is, well, they kind of went in and destroyed all these tapes and they were like, we don't want to know about this. So they were mad when deflate gate came up, it was like a makeup call. They were like, we want you to get them because I can't believe the other, the audacity to dance outside the rules again when we got off so easily last time. And people are mad, people are still mad about it. But like, it's incredible. I can't believe Bill Polion still gives a fuck about this. I can't wait to see what Jordan Hudson does with this. I think this is actually the beginning of Belluchick being redeemed because now I have to come on and I have to scream about how Belluchick's underrated. This is unbelievable. I know. Everyone on Twitter is now defending Bill Belluchick. What a way. I can't just can't trust your all-time backfires. It has been very fun to like make fun of Belluchick the last year, but it's worth reminding Bill Belluchick went to 13 conference title games. So all you do is make the final four, and then you see what happens. Vince Lombardi coached for nine years. We named it trophy after him. He coached for nine years. Bill Belluchick made the conference finals 13 times. Bill Walsh, I don't think he even coached for 13 years. It's so ridiculous. Yeah. So I want somebody, I hope there's one person out there who decides to make the case that he doesn't deserve to be a Hall of Famer. I really want to hear that argument. That'd be great. That'd be a good pivot. I think it's the right call. We should make the case. We should make the case. It's actually the opposite, Craig. He doesn't deserve to be in the hall. Tell me why you should be a Hall of Famer. He lost three Superbos. Lost three Superbos. Head best quarterback of all time. Look what he did at the end. He did. That's a real, that's what he really just came below. So he held Tom Brady back. Yeah. There's, you have to get 40 out of 50 votes. There's at least 10 people that didn't vote for it. That's crazy. 11 40 gets it. Right. That's wild. Wild. I just, we can get to the rest of the show, but I think we're going to have a coach. The other semi-finals in the coaching category were Tom Cofflin, Mike Holmgren, Chuck Knox, Buddy Parker, Dan Reeves, Marty Shottenheimer, George Seiford and Mike Shanahan. I kind of want Marty Shottenheimer to get in for Belle check. That would be really funny. Man. I, yeah. Well, you know what? Maybe you're right. Maybe he doesn't deserve it. Well, let's think on it a year. Let's see if he's qualified. Maybe you learn his lesson. That'll tell him. That'll show. We'll see what happens when he doesn't cheat at UNC. OK. Right. We can get to the rest of the show. I don't even know where this is going in. We'll figure it out. But wherever we're continuing with wherever you left off. The Bill's hired Joe Brady. They're offensive coordinators that had coach. I don't even know where to begin with this, because I mean, I don't know. Andrew Gruderdara wrote a great, who's a Bill's fan here at the Ring or Rotterdam Gruderdara. If they're the Ring or dot com website, he called it how to lose a fanbase in 10 hours. He wrote about, and he hit this line, that the 48 hours between the initial announcement of Sean McDermott's firing and the press conference were public relations disaster class for Buffalo and his serious decisions that practically lit on fire the fanbase's faith and goodwill that had been built up over nine years. That included the owner blaming the coaching staff for wanting Keon Coleman, not the GM, who got promoted. Now the coach is the head coach. Like they blamed the coaching staff for wanting Keon Coleman, but said it wasn't McDermott. It was the offensive staff, then made the offensive coordinator of the head coach of the team. It does feel rough that the bills have been good. And so if you're going to fire your head coach, it feels like you should try to start fresh with something new that feels different. And then just sticking with the next guy in line when they're saying what's been going on in the past five years is not enough, does feel a little bit contradictory. Yeah. Yeah. It's, the truth is, and DK, I'm curious what you think. The truth is Terry Piccolo, the guy who owns the bills, just walked into the locker room and made an emotional decision that he was just emotionally lost the game and he's just now fucking trying to figure out that fallout of just this extremely impulsive decision. I have a question for the bills fans. Maybe you guys can write in and let me know. Are people not confident in Joe Brady specifically or is it more just like, hey, we're firing our head coach, our longtime head coach who's brought us incredible success over the years because we just feel like we can't go over the hump. We need to do something new and then they hired the guy that was also on the same staff that's been around. Do people not believe in Joe Brady? Do they think he's a bad coach? I think you could go in depth on kind of what he's done in his career so far and a lot of it has to do with being connected to really good quarterbacks. So I just, he's kind of kind of, I'm just like, I don't really know what you're getting with him. Totally honest. It's funny because Joe Brady was given a lot of credit for like, I mean, the 2019 LSU team that he was on. That he coached. The Joe Baroque, Jamar Chase. Yeah, well, it was, it was like, I mean, that was maybe the best college offense in the history of football. I mean, they broke every record for college. It was actually crazy to compare like Indiana's numbers this year with that LSU team. But then it's like Joe Baroque, Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson on this guy. It's like, oh, okay. And he went to the Panthers and again, Elaine and Getsonburg and ESPN had a great summary of Joe Brady, which since he got promoted to Bill's offense, Corden, or November 2023, shortly after I remember, Kendoor C smashing that tablet in the booth when they lost the offense game. Yes. Shortly afterward, since Joe Brady was promoted, the bills are first in EPA per play in the NFL. The second and points per game. Last year, the bills had the most points in touchdowns. Or sorry, last year, 2024, they had eight straight games with 30 plus points. Josh Lnwvp, this year, James Cook leads the NFL in Russian yards. They have nine games with 30 points this season, which is tied for the most in the NFL with the Rams. And they did that. The Rams had to vaunt the Adams and Pukka Dukua, the bills, the whole issue is they have branded Cooks, Catching Passes, the Plants. So Joe Brady has done a lot. I think the question is, are you actually better off with Joe Brady running the whole team instead of just the offense? Or was it just feels emotional? Right. Right. Here, do that thing, same thing, but also you have to do a whole bunch of other stuff. I don't know. Maybe you're like the Jaguars, which they had, or sorry, the Bucks, which they had fired Todd Bulls and kept Liam Cohen, right? Or like the Ravens, probably which they had fired John Harbour and kept Mike McDonald. Or the Titans were so mad about letting Matt LaFlurgo that they fired Mike Rable. So maybe that's the argument is Joe Brady was going to leave. And you're like, well, we already fired with Dermott, we got to keep Joe Brady, which is probably the closest answer I don't know. Right. It is interesting that Brady was getting interviews all over. He interviewed with a bunch of teams for head coaching positions. So it's not like he's kind of coming out of nowhere and they just gave the job to the next guy they could find in the hallways. But this is just kind of an interesting situation. I do wonder, again, this is kind of what I was wondering at the time it happened. Is there a Josh Allen influence with this decision and overall kind of what's happened? Obviously they're trying to not get him involved publicly. But I'm wondering what happened behind the scenes. I, it is a little public. So I speak into Elena Getsonberg story. It's been, she noted that Josh Allen is in the coaching interviews. He's been in the... Oh, really? I don't know if that means all of them, but it's Brandon being the GM. We've got promoted a president is running them, the search. And Josh Allen's been in the coaching interviews. We've seen some of them. So this to me... He's just in the corner like behind a curtain listening. Hey Jordan Hudson. We're not talking about that. Blind date. Yeah. He just pops his head out. This must have Josh Allen influence that I would say. He has like the groucho glasses in a mustache and he's like, I like that Joe Brady guy. That guy's great. Aaron Glenn that coach today, today's January 27th, fire the coordinator, Tanner Engstrand on offense. It Tuesday, January 27th, on Friday, four days ago, Aaron Glenn fired seven other coaches. So Aaron Glenn has fired eight coaches, three weeks after the season ended. What did you learn in the last three weeks that you did not know? I was trying to ask people around the jets who might know and I actually sent this. So I was like, did Woody Johnson wake up from a coma or did Brick Johnson come home from school? And because it just like... Just bring Brick yet? No, I guess not. I was like, maybe the snow, they're like, I get out of Harvard or whatever. I don't, there is no, this is a universe with this is a good process. Like I mean, the coaches he fired, Aaron Glenn fired the offense coordinator, the quarterback coach, the passing gate coordinator. On defense, Aaron Glenn's defensive coach, hired the defensive coordinator, the defensive line coach, the linebackers coach, and the defensive backs coach. That's everybody. That's all the positions on defense. How did three weeks pass and they're like, you know what? He finally started watching some of the tape from last year. And he's like, oh God, this looks... This looks horrible. He's like zero interceptions. We had zero interceptions. Hold on, wait, did anyone know about this? We had zero picks. Dude, I remember Bill Cower has this quote, I think about a lot where he's like, he was asked about coaching players as head coach. And Bill Cower was like, my job is not to coach players. My job is to coach coaches. And Aaron Glenn fired all his coaches. It feels evidently clear that Aaron Glenn is not long for the Jets head coaching position. Like I can't believe how quickly this has spiraled. And I feel like he's going to be gone either mid-next season or after-next season. Maybe the way three weeks after the season to fire him, like he did all his assists. Yeah, they're going to keep him and then they're going to fire him. I think it all serious this. I think that ownership had to get involved. Like I don't think... I don't know what's worse actually. To have ownership budding in three weeks later and being like, we changed our mind. We think you should be doing this or this or disagree on an ownership budding in weight. Or Aaron, or ownership not budding in. And Aaron Glenn just changing his mind through that. That's worse. I don't even know what's worse. Well, I think part of this is... And maybe I missed some recent reporting. But part of it is that they're bringing in Frank Reich to run the offense. And so from what I understand, it was... I think it related to the fact that bringing in Frank Reich in an angstrom was getting demoted essentially. Well, they decided to demote Tanner Angstrom two and a half weeks after the season. Right. So maybe this is... The Occam's razor here is just that they didn't know they were going to hire Frank Reich. It kind of came together recently and that's why they're doing this now. But just the fact that this aside, the fact that he's fired eight position coaches after the year and he's keeps his job is like so weird to me. Like, just clean house, just bringing a new coach. This is obviously not working. It's not impossible that the Celux or Patriots win the Super Bowl, get their coaches poached and fill out a staff before the Jets do. That's not impossible. I... Yes, bizarre. Anyway, I not to kick the Jets while they're down, but I actually want to... I put down Enorme and Minotetes. I added to the list for next year. Don't take the Jets seriously. This is a three-win football team that the under bet them in a win the number one pick. Like, there is no chance. So that's pathetic. Sorry. The other one, I can't believe this is not where we started, but the Cleveland Browns, first of all, should our standards made the Pro Bowl? Which is all you need to know about the Pro Bowl. You might end the event. Melkhyper vindicated. All time. Melkhyper. Big time. Send him a photo. So, should our standards... I don't have to tell people it didn't have a great year. He had more exceptions than touchdowns last year. Not a great start, but continue. Consistently, Seth Walder and ESPN posted that should our standards did not play enough to qualify for ESPN's total quarterback rating, is that? But that if he did, should our standards would be last. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Oh, that is hilarious. Pfft. He didn't play enough to qualify for a stat and yet he's a pro bowler. Oh, by the way, but if he had qualified for that... Dead last. Devas. What do you finish? Dead last? Yeah, he had a great day though. Okay. Yeah, this was... Is this a fan voting thing, correct? No, so I think... I don't know it. Or there's just no other quarterbacks in the NFL left. So, I think the NFL, I think, hides what happens with the alternates. I think the simplest thing that happened is two things. Quarterbacks are hurt, and they moved it from Hawaii to Orlando because it was... I think they pretended they were like, more people can come, but I think it was cheaper. And also, I forget if he used to be an even airist, but if he used to be an airist, I'm sure it was related to the wanting Disney and infrastructure, but basically, it's really expensive to send these guys to Hawaii. The problem is, all of these men are millionaires and can go to Orlando, Florida whenever they want. So, it's not really that enticing to have it all entite. Like if you're Joe Burrow, a two-way trip to Hawaii right after the season is sick, they don't need to go to Orlando. They're staying in a much nicer place somewhere in Mexico. They want me to leave my vacation and go to Orlando. So, I think what happens, Drake may go to the Super Bowl. Josh Allen is foot surgery. My home's tourist is ACL. Bonaix is a broken ankle. Daniel Jones is a tour in Achilles. Trevor Lawrence says no. Justin Herbert, I think, is injured and said no. See, just drought can't come out of hiding from the turnover he just had. That would be a bad look. And I think Joe Burrow must have privately declined because in the NFL didn't want them to... Should have made it over, Burrow? Well, I think Burrow said no. That's my different Trevor Lawrence. I think Lawrence publicly was, I think they leaked Lawrence said no. I think Burrow they're privately saying no. Aaron Rogers probably also privately said no. At this point, he's the worst quarterback in the NFL. Like, he went from the first all the way to the last. Like, actually, that's my point. I think the NFL probably looked at it and saw Tua who was benched, the Jets who don't have a quarterback and Cam Ward and Gita Smith is like, well, screw it. They're probably talking about it on the shows if Tudor makes it. Like, he's like the worst quarterback. How did he make it over Cam Ward? Dude, Cam, I actually have no idea. Maybe this is what we needed to officially, like this will be the end of the problem. This is where Sanders killed the probe. I think it might be. Roger Sherman, our colleague and friend, he said recently he goes, this does permanently ruin the integrity of the probe flag football and tug of war competitions. I think we're already at the point where no one gives a fuck about the probe anyway. There should just be nothing. Just don't do anything. No, I don't think that. It's the, you know, I think in frustrated, the NFL, it's the only thing they're bad at. The NFL is good at everything. The NFL is made of the NFL combine and thing. The only thing the NFL sucks at is making the all-proteam matter, which it should be a big deal. It's just not. And I think all NBA is a bigger deal than the all-proteam's. I think some fans don't even know the difference. And then the probe ball is meaningless. And they need to go back to it being after the Super Bowl. And you need the people who win the Super Bowl to go back to playing in the freaking Pro Bowl. Wait, when is the Pro Bowl? Is it this week? Just weekend. Yes. It's been a fucking kidding me. It's been a way for 10 years. Well, here's the deal, Hyphids. I've actually never watched the Pro Bowl. I don't care about it when I was 10 years old. And I haven't watched it since. I feel like in general sports leagues are bad at knowing how to have a good time. Like they don't know how to have fun. Right. But the S.B.s have never quite worked. Like the Pro Bowl is not great. The NBA All-Star game has been a mess for a long time. No one knows how to have fun in these sports. Did you think the baseball? baseball. Did you say baseball? I think baseball is better. All-star weekend is good. Mainly because of the home run derby. Yeah. Like that's it. And they've tweaked it a zillion times to make it interesting. But they've gotten there. And it's good. And also, you need the good people to participate in. The NBA Slim dunk, I always remember there was the year that Dwight Howard went against Nate Robinson, which was like a 30s carnival thing. Like the biggest player in the league versus the smallest than a dunk contest. And then Dwight Howard, I think, brought out a 12 foot rim. And LeBron James is sitting there like sideline. And he's like, I'm going to do it next year. And I'm like an idiot and I thought he would. And I'm like, I've been waiting for LeBron to do the dunk contest for 12 years. I used to, man, I used to fucking love the dunk contest. Sean Camp back in the day was in the dunk contest a couple times. Rob is a Seattle native, like legend around here. Yeah. I feel like the internet half killed all that stuff because nobody wants to be embarrassed. Yes. 100%. And it's like, why would I do that? Because if I actually am a less of a good dunker than people think, or if I miss in some embarrassing fashion, I'll get destroyed online. It's actually easier just to not do it. And I'll sit on the sideline and a cool outfit and hang out. I'm trying, Jennifer. Yeah. And then football is like, it's football. Who wants to go play football when you're out of the playoffs? Like you're relaxing. So the last thing I would want to do is go run around and potentially tear my ACL for nothing. In Orlando. The funniest thing is they should send on Hawaii and I still think it's not that complicated. They should do a race. They should do 100 yard dash. You have to hold the football. And guys are like, oh, I'm not going to run full speed. And it's like the ego of, I want to be the fastest man in the NFL. They'll do that. And I'll watch it. It's just be more skills based stuff. I don't know. They can play basketball. I don't know what it is. I get mad because Dexter Lawrence is an elbow injury this year. And he had it. When on I are at the end of the previous season with an elbow injury and then it's like these videos have been doing tug of war at the proble. And I'm like, what the fuck? Why were you doing that? And then you did a good year. I'm so anyway. I feel like if you gave us an hour, we could fit. We should do an episode where it's like, we'll fix the proble in an hour. I think we could. I actually, I caught one. Hot ones NFL style. That's actually free. How to fix the NFL proble in one hour? I think we got it. Set the timer. I actually think, do you know what by far would be the most entertaining thing and actually thread the needle of if you let the players do it? What the players most want to do and would be the most entertaining thing? A basketball game. That's what you said. They should play basketball. Every football player wants to be an NBA player. Just do a three point competition. Seagulls are basketball for who to the fucking games? What? What a play. Is it right now just a flag football game? No, there's like all these other problems. There's the skills challenge, right? Like you're like throwing at targets and whatnot. Right. But then the big finale, the end of it is like a seven on seven flag football game, right? Yeah. I think it's more than seven, but I love that we don't even know. I did the basketball game. We're being crap. That's where guys like Trent Williams are like incredible. Like seeing left tackles play basketball is insane because they can dunk. Drake London played USC basketball. Like I would love to see that. That'd be cool. Yeah. Okay. More with this NFL stuff. So nobody wants the Browns job. This is an all time. You know, it's so funny. Let's get never worked there. They could never have hired him in the cycle. No way. There was no shot. Dude, all this stuff coming out about this like weird test that they're requiring their candidates to take. Just like sit down and take the Browns SAT. And it's like I'm like a fantasy football punishment. I'm like brother, you should be begging people to come in that force and then it takes some weird aptitude test. It's like I this should take anybody who's willing to walk in the door. Everyone's like, I'm good. All these like the jacks I see all these coordinators going back to their teams because nobody is like literally removing themselves from the Browns interview. Like Mike McGangling, I'm doing all that. I'm not going to forget to come over there and take a test. I'm not right in a fucking essay. I'm a grown man. Reading comprehension. Are you out of your mind? Why do you want to be a Browns head coach? Oh my god. Oh my god. It's like a, yeah, it's it's hilarious. I think we're today was a joke when I first saw it. I thought it was made up. So they're still searching, right? Like is there a favorite right now to be the Browns coach? Uh, we don't even have any shorts. Jimmy Jim Schwartz, the defensive coordinator because there's no one else is taking the job. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I get a message. I have heard that the after Shadour got the pro ball job. They're thinking about bringing him in his head. I coached. Why not player coach? Uh, the, I speak of jobs. Nobody wants nobody wants to be the Eagles offensive coordinator. So like, I think other people joke about this, but so let's go on on there. So like said, it's like Harry Potter. They can add to different professor doing defense against the dark arts each year and the six book they can't find anyone to take the job because the other people all died and spoiler correct. And that's where we are at the Eagles. They're just kind of like, oh, so it's 50, 50, I get a head coach job and 50, 50, uh, Eagles fans want me dead by Thanksgiving. Honestly, I feel like that's a worthy coin flip. I mean, Shane Tycan, Kellyn Moore, these guys are head coaches of tea. I feel like there are worse jobs than running the Eagles offense right now. No big, big doms doing the interviews. Like how much is, have you ever lost an equivalent to us? Is this a pretty bad look for Jalen Hertz? Is this the main takeaway that they don't want to work with you? That's what I mean, it's just, yeah, I think the implication here is the writing between, or what is it, the read between the lines or whatever is that he's such a limited core, but it's like hard to design a good offense that's going to work really well. I do think like Kellyn Moore got a head coaching job. Maybe he just, he was just so good at the other. Are we overstating this a little bit? Like, yeah, yeah, probably he's so bad you can't, they just wanted a Super Bowl 12 months ago, and they've been good. Their offense has been good for like three of the past four years. Hence why it's weird that Brian Davis went to Tennessee and Mike McDaniel went to the chart. I mean, Mike McDaniel, let me sense, we'll get those in a second. It's just weird that nobody wants this job. And so again, maybe it's not about Hertz to your point. Maybe it's more seriani has not been, I think seriani, it's you're coming in to just do seriani's vision. Yeah. And like Kellyn Moore had carte launch to do what he wanted. And maybe that's not what the deal is in Philly right now. Maybe it's next to your aunt is like, we're going to doubling down. I don't know, but it's weird because in theory, this is your best chance to win a Super Bowl. Just go run the Eagles. It should be easy. I know like Cliff Kingsbury or something. I don't know. Yeah, we'll see. He's in Thailand. We can't get a hold of him. We don't talk about that. I know. That was so relatable. Yeah. Greg, you're Mike McCarthy, you're stealer said coach Mike McCarthy is opening press conference today. Did you see the beginning of it the first like 10 seconds? Now what's the whole thing? You want to help people out? I thought Runei started the, uh, started the press conference. Yeah, the owner, our Runei the second, uh, started, he sat down and he was like, my great great, my grandfather would be so excited to know that we're hiring a guy from Greenfield, Pittsburgh. And I was like, great, great. Got damn it. I'm like, that can't be the first thing you say art. He's like, yeah, we're bringing it to Pittsburgh, man. His next words are really was like, look, artists, he looked, I wrote it down. He said, having said that him being from Greenfield had little to do with their decision here. I'm like, really? Because it was the first thing you said. Also, I would say like 30% of the press conference was Mike McCarthy crying and being like, man, it's just so, it's so great being in Pittsburgh. My family's so excited. We're all so excited. This is awesome. And then there's like telling stories about the old days and, oh, man, Omar Khan and I were in New Orleans together. I'm just so happy to be back. This is just so great. There are certain coaches that if they had never made it to the NFL, would be coaching high school and having great lives. And there are certain coaches that if they in a different life, which is to be like US senators. And Mike McCarthy would be a US senator if you had not been difficult. There was a lot of talk around like the way it's always been done. The Steelers way. And he was like, you know, talking about the offense and developing a quarterback. And he was like, uh, he never really deviating from the old school way. And it's worked for decades. And then he talked about the defense. I want to keep the defensive scheme the same. It's worked since 92. I'm like, all right. This is how the Giants hired Dave Gettelman because he was like, I think because all the other candidates came in and were like, you guys should change. Gettelman was like, no, let's just keep doing it the same way. Or we could do it the same way. Good luck, Craig. Okay. We got to keep track of Craig also. By the way, he did say he wants to bring back our Rogers. He said, why would you? What's he going to say? Kick rocks? Well, maybe. And he's excited to develop Will Hard. Is that how he says it? Yeah, Will Hard. Yeah, look, I'm going to be in Mike McCarthy shorts this offseason. And you're all over him. I'm all over his ass. I need to see, I need to see. He's not doing phrasing anymore. I'm going to be in his ass. He's going to be in his shorts. He's going to be all over his ass. I'm going to be up Mike McCarthy's ass this offseason in the start of next season. What do you think of Mike McCarthy wearing a suit? What do you mean by that question? It just didn't look. It just looked funny. It looked weird. It's just not a suit guy. That's all. I appreciate Brooke Pryor. It was the only one who asked about, hey, you're 63 years old. And the last three Steelers coaches have been coaches for 15 to 20 years. What's your plan? He dodged it. He's a skillful filibuster. He knows how to talk and he can wiggle his way out of any question. It's charming. Yeah, he is. Does he have good catch phrases? Kind of, yeah. Okay. Not quite on the top level, obviously. But he's been a head coach two separate times. Been a head coach for 20 years. Like he knows how to answer these questions. But it just felt like so much of it was like, what was it like when you texted your family? And he's like, I can't even get this beat back here. You can tell which of the guys on the Steelers, like the reporters are just like other men in their 60s from Pittsburgh, where just friends in their rune from like the 80s and which ones. Well, I'm not going to say. Anyway, we should hope for a moment. Mike McDaniel went to the LA Chargers as the offense coordinator. I don't think I'm being dramatic when I say these are two of the best quotes quoted people as coaches in the history of the NFL. I just, I don't know what they're going to say next. Jim Harbour, Mike McDaniel on the same staff. Mike McDaniel, who said like today we're one day closer to death entering like this last season. And then there's Jim Harbour, who like his first week with the Chargers told the players like, I remember the day I was born. I'm the same staff now. This this hiring might officially begin my my switch to becoming a Chargers fan. I know, right? This is so it's all coming together Craig. Like, if it's in place, if it's week three in the Steelers, listen to the Browns, I'm failing. I'm just going to the Chargers. I'm going to move to the South Bay. It's the Jerry Seinfeld. Ah, I'm out. I'm out. I can't do this. I can't. I mean, is this the most back you have ever felt about the Chargers in the Justin Herbert era? It happens every year for me. It does. But 20 years. We're about 20 years in a row. Literally 20 years in a row of this is the year. I remember being so back on freaking Philip Rivers and LaDadian, Tomlinson, like, this is the only time we're all the way back. Because we had there was the Anthony Lynn, right? He was the first coach with Herbert. That was a mess. I wrote a story for the ringer about all the Chargers crushing losses and improbable, like, their gods smited them. And I ran it six years ago. And I think if I updated it, I could add 15 games to the list. Because I remember it's like, Lynn, they kicked out. And then Brandon Staley came in, who was this like guru, defensive guy. He felt good about that. And Joe Lombardi was the OC. And then we were all in on that. But then like, their receivers were terrible. And then you had Lad Maconkey come in. They fire Brandon Staley. And then it was like, Harbaugh, and we're all excited. And then the injuries happen. And now it's like, okay, Mike McCarthy, get the offensive line healthy. Jim Harbaugh running the ship. Oh, Marian Hampton. Oh, Marian Hampton. All in. We should actually be the first people on this. They're going to win the next year is the year for the Chargers. It's not this year. Because imagine now this year is not going to go well. But next year when Herbert has a whole year under Mike McDaniel, a whole offseason under Mike McDaniel, 2027, that's the year. What if we just assume that they're going to be terrible again? Well, they're not, they're never terrible. But they have a first, I mean, Herbert is incredible. They have first run picker running back. A two first run picks a wide receiver, two first run picks at left and right tackle. And then Aron de Gadson, they figured it's going to attend. They need to replace the tire interior offensive line. Two guards in his center. If they do that, like they should be really, really, really fucking good. And Herbert should like maybe win the MVP. Like that should be the reason. Should they should be. I'll never forget that week one game in Brazil against the Chiefs. Herbert kicked a shit out of the Chiefs in the homes and looked like the best quarterback in the week. Yeah, I remember you saying they're all the way back. They're overall the stuff that has plagued them in the past. Unfortunately, they are who they are. Yes, I think DK's right. They're just cursed. Maybe my fandom will tilt the scales. I hope so. The other one that happened, Brian Debel went to the Tennessee Titans as the offensive coordinator. So Robert Sal was hired as the Titans head coach. You know, Sal hired Debel as the Titans off the quarter. I think this was a great move for the Titans. I think Debel flamed out as a head coach for, you know, the managerial issues and game management is too emotional on the sidelines, running into blue tents and screaming and just like he was just not a level headed guy running. But every quarterback that was too infatuated with Jackson dark. Yeah, it was it was weird. It was weird. It was weird. Yeah, it was weird. But every quarterback that Brian Debel has worked with in 10 years has gotten a lot better. Like Jalen hurts in two at Bama. I'm honest, that's two is a play probably other than that first year with McDaniel. And then like, I mean, Josh Allen was a laughing stock when he started. And then by the time Debel left him, he was an MVP candidate. I mean, it's not just Daniel Jones at the time being at winning a playoff game. Like Brian Debel won three games with Tommy DeVito. Like Jackson dark. Like I think that if you're the Titans and you're in aFC South now, the you had to Jack Wars and Trevor Lawrence and then the Texans. It's like, you need cam war to be like a borderline top 10 quarterback to compete. And I think this is a great move. I think it's a nice floor raising. Couple decisions with solid and Debel. It's like making this a professional organization. This is you don't want to bring in some like first time guy who is as young and unfamiliar. And then you have him and cam war like trying to figure it out together at the same time. That was kind of Calla hand. Yeah. Debel and Sala are like veterans know what they're doing. They're just going to raise the floor of the team across the board. I think I really like it. I like the model of we're going to have a head coach. She does one side of the ball and we have another head coach. She did the other side of the ball and like it just works. The Bears Dennis Allen like totally. I don't I mean, less like to then Brian Debel. But Dennis Allen is a great coordinator who struggles as a head coach running the whole show. But I mean, look how good the bears were hiring him. Like I just that model has worked. It was cool to see after that bears Rams game. It was cool to see McVeigh went up to Dennis Allen. I admit the old him was like, dude, you kicked our ass today. Like we had no idea what we were doing. The great job. Yeah, I mean, as long as you get Dennis Allen away from Kendrick Miller, like it's going to be okay. He's he gets he can still be a good coach. As long as his hate, seething hatred for Kendrick Miller isn't like all consuming. Did he take his AC all this year, Kendrick? Yeah, yeah. Somewhere somewhere Dennis Allen is. Attention. Attention. Rail travelers, platform paces, window gaysers and our rest negotiations. Have you heard the big rail fair for ease is here. Rail fairs have been frozen across England until March 2027 on standard class tickets. Including off peak anytime and season tickets. For more information visit national rail.co.uk slash fairs for ease. Teasing season excursions apply. It's popping. Okay, you guys want to do the mail back? Yeah. So you guys haven't seen any of these. I pulled these all. So I want to start with a couple of corrections. You know, we're not going to just bury the corrections at the end of the show. So we're going to start here with a couple of corrections. We got the turn on. Well, not we. Um, oh, gotta start here with Craig. This is from Matthew and many other people he milled in to say that Buffalo is not building a dome. They're building a stadium. Kansas City is building a dome. Cleveland's building a dome. Buffalo is not building a dome. Oh, good. More important. More importantly, and he must malonsander. I would like to point out that neither you motherfuckers knew that clearly. I see you would have said something. And I have you were you hopped on with me on that. I did. I might have I might have not heard what you said. Uh, I was wrong. Diggy's like I wasn't the same. I was. If I didn't correct you, it's because I didn't hear you. I was like, I'm scrolling. Uh, that's so that's so much funnier. This one's from Alexander. Okay, a bone breakfast today was coffee with oat milk. Um, this is the best correction I've seen. Alexander writes Craig said the gladiators did not fight in a dome. Okay. Well, the call. Sam is not a dome. It was a recalculable. How to retractable canvas cover called the Valerium that was mostly used to shield spectators. It didn't go all the way over. No, it did not. The little arena was still exposed. But the fact that I see the movie of gladiator too, all right. Glad to eat also. Yeah. Oh my god. Okay. I just thought that was funny. That he was like, well, uh, anyway, do you guys want the Valerium? We need to get one of them for. People from the sun for Dallas. They knew about they knew about the two thousand years ago in the Coliseum and fucking Jerry Jones can't get a Valerium. What is Jerry? Coliseum. They're curtains in the Cowboys. Jerry knows he's a year in advance. Just like the Romans did. Oh my god. That's so good. Craig, there's some there's like a hat behind your head and I keep thinking you have like a bun on the top of your. That's a remarkable time. It's one of those hats you get at a baseball game. I don't think that's the same. Sorry. It's like a little. Oh, let me position it perfect. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a little tiny top hat. There's a little tiny mouse under it. He's the one feeding you your takes. Oh my god. Yeah, it's gratitude. It's a fucking raditouille in this bitch. Okay, I have a few emails in each of these categories. Like, but do you want? I would love a couple that aren't correcting things that said in the past. No, you're good. It's do you want to start with old timey guys and name stuff or do you want to go with boomers, not drinking water stuff? Um old timey. Okay. So Chris writes, I listen to your podcast today, the topic of Amos Alonso Stagg came up and it reminded me of your other discussions about football badasses and I wanted to let you guys know about the legendary Canadian football league player Piffles Taylor. Sorry. Piffles. Piffles. Piffles. TK Piffles. Come again. Piffles Taylor. Piffles. Okay. What's it? Okay. What's so hard about Piffles? Piffles. Piffles was a Canadian World War One pilot turned player coach and executive. Of course. During World War One. A World War One pilot. So he's like flying around in biplanes. It's like the red baron. I don't know. In World War One, Piffles Taylor lost an eye when his plane got shot down. Spent a year as a German prisoner of war, then came home replaced it with a glass eye and then returned to Regina RC, which is now the Saskatchewan Rough Riders. Quarterback the team to the lead trophy. And then went on to be their coach executive and team president. And during a game in 1919, Piffles Taylor was tackled. His glass eye popped out. He calls time out. What does everyone to stand back gets down on his hands and knees, searches for five minutes, finds his eye, pops it back in, resumes the game. Nobody could help him find it. I don't think he wanted help. Miss May had played quarterback with one eye. Got one eye. That's not one. Was the forward pass happening at this point in time? Is like imagine how you need depth perception to fucking throw the football. It's tough. Why didn't he wear a patch? You didn't want to go to the class size better than a patch. Are you guys lose an eye? Are you going with a patch or are you going to class eye? Oh man. I patch is for pirates because they actually didn't have to lose an eye. It was because it's so sunny on the deck, but you go down. It's so dark. So it's actually so that you could see when you went down, you switch it over. Oh, really? They'd actually lose an eye. So when you went downstairs, that eye is used to dark this and you could see. Wow. That's pretty smart. That's pretty smart. Yeah. I don't know if that's true, but it sounds cool. Yeah. I never really considered my pirates always wore an eye patch. I was like, I mean, he's just getting their eyes poked out a lot. I feel like they probably also, I feel like some of them did lose their eyes. But yeah, probably. Also, do you remember when we were at the word a nucleation? And we're like, that's what it means. It means to lose an eye. Oh, what did you say in nucleation? He was a nucleated. It was the blood bath at Hamden Park. It's why Harvard and Yale stopling football in the 1980s. My dad's told me about that. He's like, I just just said a nucleated. All these doctors are like, do you know what that means? I'd go with the eye patch if I lost my eye. You think so? Yeah. I think you could do it. Another old-timey guy I want to mention here is from Matthew. Embone. Breakfast was oatmeal with peanut butter to banana plus one mug of green tea. He wrote about the first professional football player. Was named Pudge Heffelfinger. Come on. Now that's what his name has to be if he's doing it. Pudge. Pudge Heffelfinger. Pudge Heffelfinger. How are you the first football player? It wasn't like a collection of men. So glad you asked. It was not their player. They wanted to play in a game. So Pudge Heffelfinger got paid $500 to play some game in Pittsburgh, 1892. And this is on the, this is real. This is the NFL Hall of Fame website. He's like the 6 foot 300 pounder. Squirt the only points in the Allegheny Athletic Association's win over the Pittsburgh Athletic Club. And then Heffelfinger would go on to be a college football coach and an unsuccessful bid in U.S. Congress. And there's, he invented pulling guard. Like he was the first guy to like run to the other side. He's an innovator. And even in Puffel hedge, sorry, Pudge Heffelfinger's 40s, it was common for Pudge to return to Yale. And the coach would give him a jersey and let Pudge play with the second team during practice. His Wikipedia says he is considered the greatest lineman of his time. lineman. He was 195 pounds. Yeah. Fucking crazy. Yeah, he played, he played in organized football until his 60s. Tells 60s? Yeah. Wow. Pro charity games, but he was in his 60s. This man played football into his 60s and he lived to be 86 years old. Dude, just built it. We don't know anything. This guy, so I was curious, Heffelfinger is an Americanized version of a Swiss German name, Heffelfinger. That's a real Ellis Island shit where the someone just sitting there like, I don't like it. Heffelfinger. Heffelfinger. Now we're going Heffel. Heffel. Heffel. Last one here, dude, this is from Zach. Z-bone. Breakfast was red bull in a burrito. Wait, red bull? Red bull in a burrito. What kind of burrito are we talking here? Like a breakfast burrito, just a regular burrito. Is he assuming that we think it's a breakfast? Like I guess if you're it's for breakfast and you just say burrito, he assumes we think breakfast burrito. I don't know. Red bull in a burrito. This was so he didn't actually put his breakfast. I followed up because I loved the email so much, but I want to uphold the integrity of the breakfast being included. It's all in a burrito. All right, this one. I can't imagine drinking a red bull for breakfast. We get a lot more people saying they have energy drinks in the morning than I like. I like red bull, but the idea of doing energy drinks every day, I guess. I don't know. My brother drinks way more energy drinks than I realized. She did this in the comment. Cut the habit. It's worse than cigarettes. I just like I saw a guy in the video. It's called C4. Yeah, literally. It's crazy. Guy has my flight and like a 20 ounce monster just ripping it. Email us if you drink energy drinks every day. Ripping it. You can't just drink it. You have to rip it. Just ripping passes. I think I would die if I had a 20 ounce monster. I don't die. I like red bull. I just. Yeah, I don't mind the flavor of red bull. I like it. It's like apple juice and carose. Great vodka, red bull slushies and Pacific Beach, San Diego. Those are good. You guys, I'm sure you've heard of Forloco, but what was your guy's version of Forloco when you were a pro? Forloco. You had Forloco when you're not. When you're not. Forloco once they took all the goods. No, no, no, no. We know we had it when it was still like pure battery acid in high school. You actually, Craig, have we discovered a micro-generational difference between us because you're one great older than me? When did you drink the original unchanged Forlocos? Well, the Forlocos when I was in high school were the bad kind. They still have a mature. So this one they had all the caffeine and all the, and they basically were like you can't combine these. But that was like a three year wind. 4,000 calories, 10 shots, and 400 milliliters of caffeine. Those of them, those like they're like you know what? I can't, they were like we can't believe this is legal either. We used to drink those before high school dances. That's crazy. I don't think I had a real Forloco in high school, to be honest. It was perfect. Revved you up, calmed you down. It was like what? It was perfect. A lot of people died though. A lot. Too many deaths at that time. What's funny about them is like they did not come in 12-ounce cans. They of course were only in the 24-ounce bullets. So it's like a goddamn kind of nowhere around it. They wouldn't even make of it regular size cans. I remember like the college. If you had them in a party, they'd be limited. And so you would stick some like under the deck or something. So that later in the night, you still have one. That's good. So anyway, Zach, you know what's about the old Forloco stories. I want those. I want the original. And also if you're older generations, what those versions are. Like we have some boomers who listen to the show. I want to know about the fucking Quayludes. Oh, everything about Quayludes is from the Wolf of Walls. Pop some ludes. Email me if you're old enough about it that you did Quayludes. Craig is just scratching. It's like, oh, this is a line. No, no. I want to know, we're drinks that people used to drink that are kind of not kosher anymore. Yeah, emails those too. I like that. Like abs and stuff. Short and sweet. This from Zach, he says, today, I accidentally stumbled upon the legend of Jimmy chicken wolf. Okay. Chicken wolf. I like it already. Known for being the only baseball player to play all 10 seasons in the American Association from 1882 to 1891. Famously. Yeah. Chicken wolf hidden inside the park on run during which the outfielder was attacked by a dog. Oh my god. He's playing chess. That's the old thing. This is good. Yeah. What happened to like outfielder? Did he? Is he okay? That included in the story? I tried to find out. He was attacked by a dog. He was attacked by a dog. I don't know. He had it inside the park. And they're like, play it as it lies. Sorry, Mr. Gilmore. Take a shot. Release the house. That's like straight out of gladiator with the with the like tigers. There's tigers in the outfield. That's why they're the tigers. Mike Frable has that up his sleeve in case things get close at the end of the school. God, he's got a doberman sitting in a cage under the blue tent ready to go. I don't think that's the funniest like a Wikipedia, but I laugh the hardest at it. I didn't expect the park on because the dog was attacked. And I love to be just counted it straight out of like the sandlot. Yeah. Oh yeah, I think they counted it. The fact that they counted it. It's in the record. But how do you how do you mark that down and like you know the you the books where you take score or whatever of a baseball game like dog attacks on a fielder? Defensive error. God. Before we move on, I've been wanting to ask you guys. Did you guys watch this Taipei 101 climb by Alex Honnold? I actually have somehow not yet, but I I am going to the Honnold's. Sorry if I'm saying his name right wrong, but he is infiltrated by algorithm on Instagram. I'm seeing just constant like free solo. These people just doing the most insane climbing I've ever seen. It makes me incredibly stressed out. I can't believe people watched. I was with some people that were desperately wanted to watch it and Friday night and where Netflix that thing was on Netflix. Yeah. And I was like so. You know, he falls and dies. What happens to our show? All right. And then and I had like I'm the only one thinking it. Like what have you come from? I get to like go this. A second down like what did they have a plan there in a Casey Fell? There was a 10 second delay is what I was told by friends. Not anyone at work and they were like there's 10 second delay. So if that thing goes black like the sopranos, you know what happened. And I was like, oh shit. But I then woke up the next day I didn't hear about it. So I assume he's alive. And it was delayed right because of weather. Right. It was windy up there. Like there was video of yeah, hit him outside on like a thousand feet high. Just yuck it up to the people inside and it's windy. And he's just like hanging out there not not holding on with any of your hand. Like he just no handing it. I'm just like I can't I can't we create this at the combine or in while we're in a leg just climb like a 12 foot fence or something. Like that would be scary. And then you have to do the thing that he did where he went. No hands. No hands. Where he was just like balance like his legs were in there. And he was just like all abstract arms out. Just hanging over like 2,500 feet high. The fact that he got to the top and just like pulled out his phone and took a selfie. I'm like, I don't know why, but the idea that his just like phone was just in his pocket is so 100%. Just like clanging around. He was only paid a million dollars to do that. Oh right. Yeah. That guy truly loves the love of the game. I don't know anything about climbing, but I did again, it infiltrated my algorithm. Some of the other stuff that he's done is like so much harder. To me that felt like it was probably a walk in a park for him. Like Millie Bobby Brown probably got 20 million dollars into the electric state. And he got one million dollars to climb that. He would have done it for free. I was going to say he's like, oh, he does this shit every day as a hot like it's his hobby. It's like I'm doing this already. I watched one and climbers probably know about this. It's like really famous, but it was it's called. Oh shit. It's got like a funny name, but it's basically like just this giant rock with a what looks like a sheer face. Just it's like a rock got cut and hat like a giant boulder from the like ice age got cut and half and he's climbing that shit and holding on with just the little dippy top like if it's insane that he could do this stuff. So to me, I'm like, I watch in the Taipei one on one thing. I'm like, he has all these handles. He can grab stuff. This is easy for him. Some of the shit that they're doing is these free solo people. It's crazy what they do. What are the biggest hands are? Do we know? I see giant hands. He's got me. I think he's got. Well, I mean, the thing is which is that they claim that he doesn't have any sensation in the fear section. Yeah, he has no fear. I don't know if that's. But he has to have like 10 in chance. He couldn't be getting pick it out there. It wouldn't work. Yeah, no. I feel like he's yeah, he's kind of this is me not knowing anything about rock climbing, but he's kind of like the Michael Phelps version of rock climbers where you got like really long arms. He's super flexible, super strong hands. His brain is perfectly designed. Right. That too. Boomers not drinking enough water. Holy shit. This is why I wanted to do the mailbag. I can't believe how many people emailed in. So we were joking that boomers don't drink water. My parents, your no one's parents who listen to the show drink. Fucking water. It's not a thing. I can't even go through all of them. We got emails. People's grandfathers were to be chopping wood in a hundred degree. He have thermoses of hot coffee. I got emails about dads running half marathons. No water before during or after the race. I can't even mention them all. Oh my god. But I wanted to mention a few starting with Dustin. Breakfast is berries with protein spinach smoothie for breakfast. Sorry, protein powder. Dustin writes I recently went to my dad's house. And his doctor, his doctor told him to drink water. So my dad's drinking water and it's this like brown water. And he's like, Dad, there's something wrong with the sink. Like the water. Like you need to get this checked out. And his dad's like, no, no, no, it's fine. Just the water is so borne by itself, I mixed it with Pepsi. God. Pepsi is already mostly water. So you could just have Pepsi, I guess. Like a beer is 95% water. It's so fun. It's such a funny thing is like it doesn't taste good. I'm not going to drink it. Dude, this is my dad. My dad's like, but I have the water. I like the taste of water. Dude, I, what a has enough taste. Tom, so this one's from Tom. Breakfast was an ice coffee yogurt green smoothie. Tom says I once golf with my 65 year old father while we were vacationing in Palm Springs. It was 110 degrees at 9 a.m. This is why so many people die on the golf course. Yes. It is. Tom says at the turn, nine holes in. He says I took our water bottles and refilled them because I drank four water bottles on the front nine. Yeah, you just sweat it all out. Yeah, I come out of the clubhouse with four more bottles of water. My dad comes out with a single can of Coca-Cola. Stun. Shot of 74. Close. He shot a 78. The dad shot a 78. The son worried about him drinking water shot a 98. That drug no one. Just 18 holes. Built different. The funny thing about that is I feel like that sounds like something that like Gen Z would do is not drink water because it doesn't taste good. Like, you know what I mean? Right. Like, it's very snowflake. Yes, it's like the instant gratification. Everything needs to be good and great. And I need to be entertained. And everything needs to taste good. It's hilarious that these old funny that he's like donnie water. Is it something to do with the quality? Is it something to do with the quality of the water? Are these growing up in the 60s and 50s or whatever? I think it's the quality of the water of their parents. It's like when you go to Mexico, it's like you can't drink the water. I think their parents drink this. Just drink tequila. Well, the reason beer exists is because they had to like that you couldn't just drink water you found. So I think it's our parents generation's parents. It was not like you could just drink water out of the faucet. Like, you know, I wonder if the messaging around things like soda and juice back then was obviously much more like this is just water that tastes good. Oh, it's juice from a fruit. Like, oh, whatever. It's a soda. It's mostly water. Yeah, they didn't know that it was going to brought your teeth. Yeah, I think like the negative health stuff had not come around. So to them, they were like, what's the big deal? I'm drinking a liquid. It tastes better than water. What's a big deal? Yeah, so my grandpa at all times had, you know, like the big plastic leader bottles of pop back in the day. He had like 20 of those at least in his basement of RC cola. I mean, the human's RC cola. And he lived to be like 92. It's very resilient. And what it can do is crazy. There are people who legitimately, like there's TV shows about people who just like only drink Diet Coke and they're like 85. And they're like, I have a grilled cheese and Diet Coke every day. And that's the only thing I eat. And they're like alive and fine. Their body figured out a way to survive. This one from Sam, I think, this is Sam with Sam's. I think it captures the boomer vibe. Sam writes, my friend's boomer dad told me he doesn't drink water. His exact words were, water, rocks, wood, and rust's metal. Why would I put that in my body? Do you know what Coca-Cola does, sir? They use it to get blood out of things. Like, come on. He says, my friend's boomer dad only drinks Budweiser and whole milk. And by the way, that's another boomer thing. They won't drink other kinds of milk. For sure. Only whole milk. I'm just true. Why would I take the protein and the vitamins out of my milk? And it's just water. Water, rocks, wood. This logic, I love that logic. Water, rocks, wood. You want to make the great canyon? Why would I put that in my body? So that's the boomer stuff, but then Gen X weighed in and no. No. And boomed. No rights. I'm Gen X. And when we were young and playing sports, we were told not to swallow water because we would cramp up. Instead, we were told to swish water around at our mouths, and then you had to spit it out. Just wet your lips a little. Like, you're a boss. This is a real thing. Right. Yeah. Well, they also told us when we were growing up, did you guys have this when you get a cramp to put your hands above your head? Yes. Is that a real thing? Does that actually get rid of a cramp? Punch or just makes you feel worse? And then you go into your nose out to your mouth, right? I'll be fucking old-life stale. I, I, I, I, I, I vividly remember like running the mile in middle school when all the kids at the end had cramps. We were all told hands on your head. Hands on your head. I don't think it actually works. It doesn't do anything. The other one, this is from Amelia. Amelia. My four-year-old has recently become very interested in what I liked when I was a child. Usually like your favorite color or whatever. But the other day, we were replacing her water bottle for school and she was trying to decide what water bottle she wanted. And so she asked what kind of water bottle I had as a kid. And suddenly, I felt really old as I explained that I just drink sips of water out of a water fountain between classes. And my daughter was baffled. We're all making out with that water fountain faucet thing. Just like getting right in there. And then every once in a while, one of them shot like 20 feet across the world. Yeah. It's been great idea to shut it in the face. Just kind of an ik though when you're high and it goes low. I like, I like talking about this kind of stuff. Because now I'm like talking to my nephew who just started high school. And I'm like, what is high school like anymore? How many classes do you even have? Because like back in the day, in my high school, we had different classes on different days. So we'd like, I don't remember what they call them. Block schedule or whatever. So yeah, okay. So you guys have the same thing. And now I think it's very different. They switched it while I was there. Yeah. I only have three classes a day. Yeah. And then it was because you had to carry around too many books. I don't imagine that's the thing anymore that people have to worry about. Now they just give you iPads in each class. I actually have been so far moved from school but don't have kids yet. That I actually don't know if Greg is joking or not. No, I do believe. I have a couple of friends who are teachers. And in some schools, they will provide you with iPads. And they're like teaching kids how to use computers. I know somebody who has like a nine year old son and he in class gets, I can't remember if it's an iPad or a computer, but they are taught how to use it. Which is probably good. I mean, it's something that you have to figure out at some point. I feel like all the kids nowadays are PhD level computer science compared to what we were. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You guys, did you guys have wood shop in your high school? I did. I got to do it instead of taking because I'm so musically challenged. I got to do, there was a shop class that you could make the sets for the school plays. And it was like a free with power with power tools. Yeah, we had it. I didn't take it but we had it. It just reminds me of forget Michael Sarah in super bad. He's like, last day, just making holes, fuck it. Making holes in the fucking piece of wood. Last day, fuck it. I do kind of like, I think super bad, at least for me. And maybe it is because I was like actually in the exact same generation as Seth Rogan. But super bad really did capture high school, how high school felt for me. And just the chaotic nature of it, how people were going around to different classes, the relationships with teachers and kids. That was exactly how it was in high school class. I don't know how universal that is. Yeah, you can like, game the system a little bit. And there was kids walking to other classes and the teacher kind of knew that they were friends with a kid in the class and it was like kind of okay. Oh god. Yeah. I make it holes. Last day, fuck it. One day I was going to say about my wood shop class and how I had to audition for the play because there was four hours of homework. You just have to do over the entire year. I'll need to paint some room for four hours and I didn't do it the whole year. And then he was like, it's just manual labor. And the tea, well, it's pretty good deal. Four hours for the entire year. That was all you had to do out of class and I didn't do it. And he was like, looks to the deal. You literally can't get an A if you don't do it. So here's the deal. If you try out for the play, I'll give you an A. And I can't sing in an audition for singing with like the leads. And I was like, la la la la la. And they're like, okay, cool. Give me your ring. Give me a different pitch. And I'm sitting there like, okay. La la la la. I don't know what to do. Different key. And I'm like, la la la. And I'm like sitting here with literally the best actors in the school. And they laughed the other room. Oh, that's a that's a core memory. Then they it's like a humiliating ritual. That's then they passed me in a non-speaking role. Of course. Has the thing you didn't paint as the city. Yeah, exactly. What is this? I was supposed to. This is a good prompt. What is the most embarrassing moment from high school for you, Craig? I don't have to be high school. I have a very vivid memory of when I was in middle school. We went on a field trip somewhere and I was leaning over. I think we were at an aquarium or something. And I was leaning over looking down at something. And I leaned my shirt into some like bird shit. And so I had shit on my shirt. And I very vividly remember turning around. And it was like the classic cliche someone saw told their friends and then pretty soon there was a circle of people around me like pointing and laughing. I just like it was the most cliche classic. Just everyone laughing you thing. I was like, I just wanted my friend to help me. And then he then he turned it into like a whole thing where everyone was just like pointing and laughing. And that's why since that day you've been bird shit Kelly. That's why they call them bird shit. Can you guys email us at ringerfancyfipplejameil.com the most embarrassing thing that happened to you in school? Bird shit Kelly. I want to be kind of embarrassing moment. I'm good nickname. Bird shit Kelly. I'll go with that. I think he played from a serious walker on the day. So let's go see all birds shit Kelly. All right, this is important. We have to get serious guys. Craig asked about buttons. Button up button down. All right. Matt writes in first of all, breakfast was a dunk in five dollar meal deal with a bacon, egg and cheese wake up wrap. That sounds good. Wake up wraps are good. No free ads. But I don't think I've ever been to a Dunkin Donuts by the way. It's the most West Coast thing you've ever said. Yeah, I know. Why that's why I live. Matt said. That's where I've always lived. But no, I like every new West long. Every time high if it gets mad at us about the time zone thing. It's like, oh, we live here. We live here. This is our reality. Here. Why have to tell you birds with the show lives here. So I know. Nothing turns to the listeners. All right, Matt. Craig asked. So Craig asked about do you call a button up or button down? This one blew mine. He said, uh, I'm sure you've got a million emails about this, which can confirm we did. Button up button down. It's actually about the collar. Oh, okay. Button ups have no buttons on the collar. Button downs have buttons on the collar. The collar is the part being buttoned down. Oh, it's for a nicer shirt. Like a nice dress you see a shirt is the collar is buttoned down, which kind of blew my mind. Wait, there's there's some shirts that don't have a button at the top. Yeah, I think about like a like a regular polo. Like that doesn't have a collar. Like a polo makes sense. Yeah. Okay. But that one I would argue. You don't button the collar to the collar to the collar. The collar to the collar to the shirt. I get that look at my shirt right now. This would be a button up because you can't button down the collar. Okay, guys, no, I was confused. I thought you meant the top. There was no top button, but I understand now it's the collar. It's an actual button in the collar. Yeah, interesting. Yeah. So more importantly though, this is from Anna. I love not googling something waiting for an email to tell me. I know it's actually quite one of the questions. I want to hear from the experts in our field. In their field. Anna writes. This is why I like the email. Are you in my account? Yeah, because I don't care how you guys react. I was just sitting like scrolling like what the fuck? Because Craig asked to talk to my buttons and we got this. Anna writes button up button down. Did you know men and women shirts of buttons on holes on different sides of the shirt? Don't yeah, that makes sense and also doesn't the zipper on women's clothes go on the other side? Probably because it's Anna writes check your significant others clothes like there's buttons around different sides. And I think the answer is whatever is that right? That's what England fashion rich people posh making fashion trends, whatever. The idea was that men would button their own coats because they're men. But women would be having it done by like a maiden or someone like a servant. So it was on the other side. No, interesting. But it's stuck, which is insane. I didn't realize until you know, embarrassingly recently that people put belts on different ways depending on it's like left or right handed. This is the sock conversation all over. Yeah, like I put my I'm left handed. I put the belt on the opposite of most people and I didn't realize that. Right. So you're putting it in you're putting it in on the right starting on the right. Starting on the next time I see you I'm a left guy. I'm going to walk it and just stir directly at your belt buckle. Well, you usually wow, that's why I'm sure. So tall, it's just my level. It's like how in the southern hemisphere the toilet water spins the other way. That's right. I got to get down there. Okay, Vegas. We asked three bills about Vegas. Oh right. The best so the most Vegas thing. The most acting you guys name. Not because it's actually the least cool store that's ever been redacted from Vegas. But he says I moved to Vegas in 2019 and during our first Christmas in town a group of Christmas carolers stopped by her house. They finished their songs. They closed the door. My wife looks at me and says, did you see who that was? And I'm like, no, she's like, that was Carrot Top. Nice. He's caroling. There's Carrot Top was there with five or six other people turns out. His goddaughter lived near them and he was over celebrity in the holiday. And fast forward seven years later they're actually become good friends at Carrot Top via their neighbor. Says he's a really nice guy. Very funny. Takes great care of people around him. Wow. Indoor spent for Carrot Top. Maybe we'll go see Carrot Top now. Dude, maybe we got it. Talk about the show. Dude, moving to Vegas in 2019 just made me think about Vegas in the pandemic. There needs to be a movie about like what happened in Vegas or in the pandemic. I think the same stuff that happened. All did not in the pandemic, which is just kept going to hotels. I want to know about like the four people who secretly didn't leave and lived there for a year. Yeah. No one's here. Don't show up and they're having the time of their life. On this trip. Yeah, that'd be cool. Okay, wait. This is just from D-bone here. D-bone. Breakfast was 32 ounces of water. Protein shake, vitamin gum, his tea with milk and honey. It's guys not a boomer. Yeah, no. This guy's getting half-dirty. 32 ounces of water. Starts a day. Not a boomer. That's more than Hippens' dad has had all year. That's true. That's true. D-bone writes, I have a personal favorite ask. I know you guys have a ton of bits. Almost all of which are fantastic. The book are eating one. Almost. The closest that's come to vomiting while driving. Yeah, that was tough. There are two things that we didn't do. By the way, we just gave people the amount. I'm just for them to explain themselves. I was not. I felt nauseous actually. It was a mistake. I see. It was gross. It was a mistake. D-bone just says a favor. He says there are two things that maybe actually laugh out loud every time they happen. Which is Craig saying, Phil? Phil? Phil Connors? And then the other ones Craig saying, big time froze. K-woblin arms to Walnuton's egg. Yeah, K-woblin, big time froze. How many throws does he have? A weapon. A weapon. Well, my beautiful face. And D-bone just wants us to say it more. Okay. Sure. And that's also the stroud. A common bridge stroud. Yeah, we haven't done a lot of it. It's stroud. Full Ridge Bernard. Till he stops turning the ball over. He's called Ridge Bernard. He's not sitting. I know. I feel like we're very close. You're just becoming a 1990s radio show with a bunch of cheesy sounds. Down drop. Yeah. We're just like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We got to get a soundboard. Everybody gets one. I think, no. No, those are super annoying. Yeah. Okay. Those are these two. Okay. One here from, I'm just going to say from M. M. M. M-bone. So M. We're about her daughter. And dealing with all the other moms in the Girl Scouts. I was talking about how I think Girl Scout cookies are overrated in a scan. So M. writes, my breakfast was a chocolate protein bar and a cup of strawberries. Long time listener. I finally felt compelled to email as the mom of a former Girl Scout. You've never said anything more true than the Girl Scout cookies or a pyramid scheme. I mean, that's true. So M. writes, my daughter was a Girl Scout, Daisy and Brownie for four years. And I hated every second of it. And M. writes, there are many fuck things about the Girl Scouts organization, including forcing parent volunteers to pay money to register as members in order to shop for an events or drive carpools to events, which I guess you have to pay money to carpool, which is crazy. But cookie season tops the list. The cookie sold for five or six bucks per box. The troop only receives 85 cents per box sold. The rest goes to various levels of the aforementioned pyramid scheme, including the National Council, the local organizing chapter, funding for maintenance of Girl Scout cookies facilities. Well, sorry, just Girl Scout facilities. And then such as campsites, which the troops then have to pay to use. The selling season, which is wild. The selling season kicks off in mid-December, the midst of a flurry of holiday activities and winter break from school. And orders are due in January when everyone's clinging to their New Year's Diet Resolutions by an absolute thread. And when I asked if I could just donate money directly to the troop, so the full power of my money would go to the troop and not 85 cents to the troop and not the pyramid, I was told by the troop leader that I didn't understand the point. And my daughter wouldn't learn anything that way. We were also required to participate in cookie booths, but of course those occurred in February in a DC suburb, and one of the genius locations we were stuck with in February of Washington DC was the entrance to the neighborhood pool. Hmm, a lot of foot traffic. Yeah. In the doc that I watched, they said they got a dollar and 10 cents per box sold, so I don't know if that number has gone up or at least where the doc was set. It's also like one thing that the dog didn't touch on that I find is really funny about Girl Scouts. It's like the infighting and like finding the right spot to like set up your camp to sell the cookies is like a huge territorial battle of like straight out of the wire. You're like who gets to be like outside the corner? What's the corner we are? Yeah. Christ of the brick going on. Yes. It's like no, the Ralph's on Bundy is the spot. All right, and we own that spot lady. They have like stash houses where they keep all their extra cookies. That's like gotta move the stash. You were going to rob by other Girl Scouts. Did the wire for Girl Scouts? Oh, I count a lot of them. I want to watch that. That's what I want. She make that show. Yeah, they should do that, so now. Dude, that's so good. And then I'm pretty sure. So don't you, isn't it like your taxes where it's like you, you have to buy the amount of cookies that you think you're going to sell. And then if you don't, you have to eat that cost. So you're like, oh, I want to sell. Literally. Yeah, I have to sell two thousand boxes of cookies. So you pay for them up front. You buy the two thousand boxes like the parents buy them. And then it's on the family to sell them for a profit so that you can recoup the money that you I believe. I don't know. I'll just Lindsey Jones here. That makes sense. So then if you're like 700 boxes in the hole and it's like the season's over, nobody wants cookies anymore, you just have to fuck again. This is like straight out of the wire. It's like if you get robbed, that's on you, buddy. Dude, it's like, you got the s'mores. It's like yellow tops. You're going to have to come up with 50 grand, bitch. W and D's, W and D's. Oh my god. That is hilarious. God. Dude, that's wild. Uh, please email us if you have experienced the Girl Scouts and we'll correct the same way. Who's who's the like the level and leader of the Girl Scouts? Who's up there just in the in their palace? I should know this. I have a close friend who used to work for like the corporate office of the just just wearing coats made out of Dalmatian. Bonnie bars a kowski. A national board president, Nareen Khan. Okay. A 30 member national board of directors. How many people usually on a board of directors? 30 feels high. I don't know. Feels almost like it does feel high though. It's a cool. No, let's co up. Whatever. I'm just going to I can quote the wire more than any show combined. Uh, okay. It's so funny because there are even the way that they set up the tables. Like I the one I'm picturing is at a grocery store near my house. And they have like lookouts. Trying to get people and then they run, you know, they're like a career almost. Like, okay, I'm going to go get you your cookies. It's so funny. Give me the money. No, no, I can't take the money and the cookies at the same time. You got to go down there for the. Can you just give me some cookies? No, you got to go over there. No, no, no. Can't separate. So funny. Funny. Oh my god. And they're even brick shaped. The fucking boxes are an exact size of a brick. Oh my god. Oh god. That's a big wrap them in like saran wrap. Uh, okay. There's more emails here. We probably should get out of here. I'm going to just, you have to give an advice to someone named Courtney Craig because long story short, or somebody's email. Courtney's never seen Lord of the Rings and she gets made fun of it at work. And I guess they'll listen to Rier Pods and her justification for like five years has been. Well, Craig hasn't seen Lord of the Rings. He makes them watchables. That's good. So, um, they're like, okay, I guess Craig's seen a lot of movies. So she's like Craig, should I hold out or should I watch them? No, Courtney, what you should say is sure, Craig Watts, Craig watched Lord of the Rings, but you know who hasn't seen them? Bill Simmons and he hosts the rewatch. Oh man. Hold strong, Courtney. Don't live in Bollywood. That's so. You like them. Shut up. No, they're really good. I think you'll like them if you watch them, but I understand. You know what? People are busy. Sometimes you just don't watch a movie and then it becomes a thing that you just are refusing to watch it forever because people tell you to watch. That's a big vowsky, isn't it? You just won't do it. The only one he just hasn't seen and he's just too dug in. Yeah, so Courtney holds strong. You know what? It's fine. Say Bill Simmons hasn't watched Lord of the Rings and that'll, that'll create you a couple more years. DK speaking of. Yeah. Have you watched Transformers yet? No. We're going to have to do this in a way. You have a face off. You have a week. Somebody's office is a big theater. We should watch it in there. Oh, that's a good idea. What were there? That would be a good rewatch. Would it be a little fast forward the Megan Foxy because we'll have wives? So it's, you know, we can. Would it be a weird to say I might have already seen it a long time ago? I just don't really remember it. You would have remembered it if you. I do. I actually do remember Megan Fox a little bit from that movie. Well, I don't know if I watched it or if I was just. Mr. Skin. You know, just flipping. You just see this probably happen. The end of that with the Optimus Prime. It's like the Lincoln Park like what? I use that on the decays. I know. I had that sent to me by a lot of people. Yeah. I don't think it did very well. I think people thought it was weird because. They're like, what is this? There was the cloist box thing with the FBI guys here. Yeah, I think that. I dropped that. I was like, hey guys, I made this and everyone's like, okay, cool, cool. We'll put that right on the refrigerator. You know what? You know, we asked people to send us like drinks that are that people don't drink anymore. Like four logos. You know what popped into my head just now thinking about. People back in the day like a hundred years ago used to drink ether. But that doesn't seem like it's good for you. You would get like ether cocktails and like the roaring 20s. That was a thing. ether? I guess alcohol technically is poison as well. But that seems like not very healthy. I remember watching the movie Babylon in Tobin McGuire's. It's like fucked up rich guy who has this giant house that like a lot of crazy shit's going on and they're drinking ether cocktails. And it was a thing. I mean, go back to go back far enough and they were prescribing heroin, you know, to people in cocaine and stuff. So yeah, again, people were built dip back then. Yeah. So let us know if you've if you're drinking ether still. Yeah, what are the other ones? Do I want the most embarrassing moment of your life? We're expanding to life or just high school. High school growing up. High school. I feel like they're going to be from that. Yeah, actually embarrassing. Actually, I'll take anything. Just, you know, I don't want like a, you know, a midlife. Take it from bird shit Kelly. Yeah, bird shit Kelly. What's the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to you? Emails are really fast. Seared into my brain. That moment is seared into my brain. It happened 30 something years ago. Yeah. Okay, well, I'll let it forget it. People like suggestion for a band. The geese bump geese did SNL after we talked about. I do. It's like what's after we did that episode? What is it? The beta mine half thing? I've seen so much from geese now over the last two weeks. It's crazy. Have you listened to them at all? No, not yet, but I will. I've been busy. Also, look, it's Lord of the Rings geese. It's hard to get to it. Geese. All right, thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you everyone for listening. Emails at Rear Fantasy Football at chemo.com. I want to know about, yeah, most embarrassing that it's ever happened to you. And boomers, yeah, I'll take more like boomers, don't trick in water. Just, yeah, we're drinks you used to do in high, whatever it is. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening. Yeah, just DK's draft guy. Go check it out at the rear.com mock draft big board. And yeah, we cover the whole off season. Superble obviously, but also the whole off season trades for agency and everything. So stick with us. And literally all year. So thank you, Lord. Lord, thank you, Calvin Harris. I was trying to think of a dance that has something to do with ether. And I was like, some reason Calvin Harris came into my head as someone who might have a song called ether. I think you met Nas. Nas? He has a song name ether. It's like, yeah, ether Jay Z. That's like, right? That makes sense. I like having a stroke. Yeah. I don't know. That's funny that you just kind of randomly associated Calvin Harris with ether. I don't know. I think you definitely get Nas. That's the Jay Z diss from like, there's a huge difference between Nas and Calvin Harris. Oh, I always mix up. Yeah, do you have it? He looks like Nas. Yeah, yeah. See if it's song name. Oh, I just Googled Calvin Harris ether and it came up with something he did on the Ethereum blockchain. Thanks, Gemini. Yeah, there's an ether is a diss track by your Nas from his 2001 album, Stoamatic. Yes. So you were right. Hi, Fitz, good job. Blind squirrel didn't come to my mind though. You must have been thinking of we found love. The ether is mean. Did you guys see the video of the hamnet wrap party where they did the Brianna song? Oh, that was so genuine and happy. That just filled my heart with joy. And it was like everybody's still in full costume and shot it with like their professional film cameras. So it looked like the movie. It was very bizarre. I should get into the movies. That looked like a lot of fun. Is it pretty easy to get into the movies? Yeah, you could have probably been an extra maybe. Okay. Why not? We're at Netflix now. Make some calls. Yeah, you could have been a guy in the 1600s hanging out. Oh, yeah, easily done. I'm the town drunk. Sister-in-law's, were you just met Greg? My sister-in-law's father lives in Georgia and he just kept tech. He just would text updates. He's like, I'm going to be in the Marvel movie. He's got me. Have you heard of Avengers? I'm like, who should know they filmed him in Georgia? And they just needed like hundreds of extras. And he was just like, I made it. I thought you were going to say Matthew Barry because he was actually in the movie. Matthew Barry's in Avengers, that game. I was in a Fast and Furious movie. Really? Yeah. Do you have a line? What are the fuck are you talking about? I was an extra in a Fast and Furious movie. I'm making sure which one. It was- He does never fucking know the movie. He does remember which one. I think it was Furious 7. Get the fuck out. He doesn't even know which one. Hold on. Do you ever told Bill that you're in Furious 7? But like, I'm not actually in it. Like I- You're in it or not. There was this, they needed people to come to Man Hat as like cars were driving down the street. And they just needed people there with their phones out being like, holy shit. And I'm one of the- I don't even know if you could see me in the movie. Like I'm probably just- You don't even know you've- I'm not checked. I'm not checked. You've never checked. I don't even know if they use the scene. I have no idea. Correct. I'm in an opportunity right now. Because you've hit this for 10 years. You know whether you're in the movie. I don't. I swear in my life, I don't. D.K. Do you believe him? I swear in my- Yeah, I swear in my life. Like, no, I just decided three weeks later to fly. I swear in my life. You never checked? I swear in my parents' life. No, because we filmed- It probably came out like two years after we filmed it. I completely forgot. I'm- Who knows if they even use the scene or the angle? He says who knows. Who knows if they ever used it. We're gonna have to watch the- I do believe in the pictures. We'll read L.A. We're gonna have to watch the Sea of Craig's in Fast and Furious 7. I believe- Because that movie came out in 2015 and I spent a summer in New York in 2020. Furious 7 is the one with the ending where it's the- Yeah. That one. Paul Walker. Family. It was either that one or a fast eight Faded the Furious. I'm not sure. This is so good. I can't- How- Why have you- Craig can't be bothered to- Because he would- Figure out what movie he's in. It was like a f- Stop. It was like a fake extra. Like, I have been an extra in real things where I got paid and you're like on set and I'm in costume and you're like- Like what? You've never told us this. Tell us now. I wasn't some Emily Dickinson movie that shot in upstate New York because that Molly Shannon was in as an extra that was some indie film. What else? He doesn't know the name of that movie either. It's a different time. He doesn't know the names of the movies he's in. Either of them. I'm not in the movies movie. Like, it would fall. I actually think I- Does it know the names of the movies? I actually think I have to- I'm kind of dancing in that movie near Molly Shannon. So I might have been in a little bit. I don't know. How is this never- I actually can- Oh, this is really funny. Do you know the names of any of the movies you've been in? I don't think so. Again, I'm not in any movies though. I was in an extra in some TV show where I was like a guy coming home from war. I was on a train. You were coming home from war? Something like a leaving war. Do you remember which war? I don't know. What was it- It was an ad? It was a commercial? No, it was a TV show. What war? I don't know. What year was it? It was- We're one or two, I'm not sure. No, what war in it? It was one of the world war. Craig is a method actor. Every two years, we'll be watching a football game. The first time he did this, we're watching a football game is a nationwide commercial. And I do the chicken paramedics. So good. And Craig's like, I was in a nationwide commercial once. And I'm like, what? And it's like every two years, it's like a half-court shot. He's like, yeah, I had a half-court shot once. And I was like, what? And he's like, yeah, I want to pick up truck. Like, he just every two years. He's like, yeah, I was in Fess 7. The movie is called Wild Night to the Emily. And it was directed by Madeline Olnick, who is like an indie director, who I think had a couple decent movies at festivals. But the movie's called Wild Night to the Emily, if you must know. And it premiered in Shout by Shout by Shout by Shout by Shout. We might watch Fast 7 now before we watch Transform. You're not going to find me. I guarantee you'll not see me. Okay, challenge to the list. How do you know you've never seen it? I'm never seen it. In this goddamn movie. You can't guarantee me shit, pal. Blurry shot of parts speeding by, and there's people in the background. Dude, I've been watching Mad Men and on a prime video, there's like this ad that plays every time of Catlin Stark. You know when you see an ad like 100 times, you still know what the show is called. And it's like Catlin Stark and the line is just, I want you to find him and bring him to be alive. Like, I want the listeners to, I please find someone find Craig in Fess 7, or Fess 8, whatever it was. Or Wild Night to the Emily. Or Wild Night to the Emily. Any other movies that we should be searching? I have no idea what that TV show is called. You're coming home from War. Let's piece this together. We're a band of brothers here. I could ask my friend Sam, he would know, because we used to do all this shit together early in the day. And when we were young in LA, we used to be extras in TV shows and movies and stuff. I don't know. Can you give me any, like did they give you any instructions on what you're supposed to do? I think there's only one season of it. What was it? A PBS show? I think it was a Hulu. Hulu? Yes. That's tough. Okay. Oh, let's keep thinking. I was on a game show once. You were on a train coming up here. What game show? I don't know the name of the game show. Jesus Christ. What the fuck? What was it like with you? What did you do on the game show? I was a contestant on it. No, I know, but what did they ask you to do? The game, it was me and two other people. We were on a team and we were at a desk. Did you have to spin a big wheel? It was trivia. Was the wheel vertical or horizontal? And the longer it took to answer the trivia question, the less money you would make, but you had to come to a consensus before you could hit the button. So it was like this battle to be like, how quickly can one person convince their team that they know the answer? And I remember, I think I won like $400 and I didn't get it in the mail for like eight months. Those fuckers. You mail us at re-offendasyfouballgmail.com. Other things like this. Craig, do you know the name of anything you're in? Any commercial? Any number, Andy Win. Any number. I don't know. Craig is like the forest gump of like shows and movies. What the man? Actors. I was like 22. We're all just trying to do anything. Is it in the background just waving? Like money? I don't know. This is great. You were just like, I was just blind auditioning to be an extra and like anything and they said, yes, you show up, you wear what they want you to wear, you get like $200. That was how it went. And then it came out like a year later. You had no idea. Yeah. God, that's good. I liked that this whole story with DK is like, should I be in the movies and Craig's like, yeah, you know, you can. And I thought he was kidding. It could be, it's not that hard to be an extra in things. Yeah. Clearly. 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