Epstein Was Being Controlled by Something Much DARKER? | DSH #1971

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We had a long three hour debate, but yeah, glad to be with you, man. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I tuned into a little bit of a nostic informant, right? That was who you were going up against? It was. It was fun. I don't think he won, but I'm biased because I was in it, but yeah, it was fun. Did they pull the audience or you kind of just read the comments and felt? I pulled the audience, but you're not gonna see how many audience you're gonna see how it was. You're doing a lot of debates these days, man. I love it. How long you've been doing debates for? I've been debating for probably 25 years. I started back when I was about 20 around the year 2000, but doing it sort of publicly in the YouTube sphere and all that. We started about 10 years ago with a lot of atheist debates, and then it branched out in debating Muslims and Messianic Jews, and you name it, like atheists, it's all over the place. So I've been doing it for about eight or 10 years on YouTube. That's insane because back then I'm sure the money wasn't as good as now, right? No, like in fact, there wasn't even really a huge debate culture on YouTube back then, but I started out in the domain of blood sports. So back when that was kind of kicking off and it was tied with a lot of drama that kind of propelled, you know, the online debate sphere to get bigger. And at the same time, you had people like Crowder that was going out and doing debates, you know, with like college students. And so it was kind of similar, you know, tracks of people doing debate. And then now it's kind of blown up, you know, with the Crucible and all that kind of stuff, whatever podcast and so forth. How do you feel about the current state of the debate culture? I see mixed opinions on it, but someone that participates in them, what do you feel like is going on exactly? That's a good question because a lot of people bitch about the fact that people kind of get aggressive. And I think you can do both styles. Like I don't see any problem with if you want to have an open, you know, just going at it, you know, blood sport style where everybody's just, you know, doing it. That's fine with me. I do that too. And I do formal debates. So I don't see a problem with both formats. There's advantages both ways. Blood sports are more entertaining, but formal debate can be, you know, you can learn a lot from a formal debate. For sure. Yeah, I double with both. I think they're both needed. There's an audience for both of them for sure. Exactly. Do you kind of have a hit list if you want to debate next or you kind of just take a day like that? Man, you know, it's been pretty hard in the last year to get anybody to do it. So, um, I know that sounds kind of douchebag-y, but like I'm being serious. We've had a hard time finding anybody. I've reached out to probably 20 different people. I'd like to debate Trent Horn on the geopolitics of the Vatican because he seems to really want to cover up the, the, uh, you know, implications of the Vatican, not just with Epstein, but also like other previous PDF creeps like Jimmy Savile. And, you know, really the Vatican, I think it's, it's actions are better explained by the geopolitical stuff than any kind of appeal to the supernatural. So I'd love to debate some Roman Catholic on that, Trent Horn or somebody like that. Um, I'd like to debate maybe one of the big atheists like Sam Harris or somebody like that. Um, we were going to do Alex O'Connor cosmic skeptic debate, ended up backing out of that that was going to be on Pierce Morgan. So, you know, it's people like that. I think I'd like to debate people like that. Now, now one would have done numbers. I'm surprised he backed out actually. Well, that was right after he had debated John Lennox and a lot of people think he didn't do too good in that debate. So he kind of cosmic said he was going to start stepping away from the, the theology, theistic debates. So, you know, bad timing, I guess for me. There's this one dude I wanted to ask you about because, um, he made a video calling you out, but also he's been, he's actually been on my show. Um, Professor Dave, what do you think about him? Would you debate him? Well, the thing is the way I argue, I'm a philosophy guy. I come out of the domain of philosophy. So I've always argued the transcendental argument for God. So when it comes to people that are atheists or non-believing type people, like that's the approach I take. And if I'm a debate of Roman Catholic, we're going to debate the papacy and that kind of stuff. But if it's in the atheist domain, you know, that's my training. That's my debate. And from what I understand, he won't debate that topic. He'll only debate like creation versus evolution. And I have views on that, but I've never debated the creation versus evolution thing in the public sphere. So it's not really my domain. I could see that. Yeah. He's, he's tough to set up debates for. I've pitched a few people to him. There's some people that are very picky. I noticed, you know, I guess it kind of makes sense. Cause if you lose really badly, your reputation is kind of tanked. Yeah. I mean, I think thankfully we've had a really good track record debate in the last eight or 10 years. Like I don't think there's any people might have some debates they could point to where they think I didn't do that great. But even those, I don't think people think that I got, you know, trounced or lost really most of the debates that we've had with high-profile people have turned out pretty good. So I'm always down to debate most Muslims, atheists, whoever. But the other problem I've had is like, we've had some other high-profile Protestants who, you know, thought maybe we could get a debate with West Hof, somebody like that, but he didn't want to do it. NeveGod.net was going to do a debate, but then he had this really weird, like precise, like he didn't want to do, he wanted to do a premise that I didn't agree to. And so now it's getting to where everybody wants the premises that made to be really precise. And it's, it's almost like getting the point of like, am I going to have to sign like a legal contract before I do your debate now? So it's just getting hard. Yeah, people don't know behind the scenes how difficult these are to set up because I moderate a lot of debates and like setting them up for Myron Gaines or, you know, Goulson. Like I get a lot of no's. It's actually insane. I didn't even know you were doing all that. I mean, yeah, like just trying to reach out to people to get them to agree. It's a huge challenge. You have to always finagle with it, reword it. And I think a lot of times too, like you said, some people just, especially if they're bigger, like a lot of times people say, Jay, why don't you debate Richard Dawkins, debate Sam Harris, whoever? Well, if you're a really high profile person like that, like you don't really have any advantage debating a, you know, smaller audience person or lesser person. Like, I mean, it's all, it only benefits me, you know what I mean? They have a lot to lose. So for high profile people, like there's just not a lot of incentive, you know, to engage in that kind of a debate. I mean, the example I think of when you say that is West Health First, Billy Carson, how that debate pretty much, you know, destroyed the business for him, destroyed his, literally destroyed his life for a certain amount of time, you know? Yeah, I mean, we've seen a few people in the debates here come and go. Usually debates don't destroy somebody's career. But I think Billy Carson like hinged so much on, you know, a couple kind of dubious claims that if West Hothony was successful in debunking that, like, I mean, it just showed, I think, how flimsy, you know, what, what Billy Carson hinged everything on. But also too, I think the key to not getting trials and debates is knowing your limits and your specialty. And hence why, like, I'm not going to go debate a topic that I don't know well. For sure. Because I, you know, again, I probably would lose, right? There's a lot of academic PhD professors that they have more advanced degrees and specific areas of philosophy that they would probably beat me. So, you know, even I'm going to selectively choose, everybody's going to selectively choose debates. So yeah, that makes sense. Other than debates, what's the main focus for you? Are you diving into the files pretty heavily these days? Yeah, we spend the last couple of weeks on my channel and on the outskirts show going pretty hardcore. I've spent about 30, 40 hours nonstop live streaming about it. We got some good traction on some of those really long live streams, which surprised me. But yeah, I mean, I'm heavy, I'm deep into it. It's a topic, though, that I've covered for probably 20 years. I read my first book on this stuff back in 2004 on ritual abuse. So it's, I feel like it's a subject I know pretty good, unfortunately, because it's a deep, it's a dark, nasty subject. But, but yeah, I've been heavy on that one, but also do other stuff too, like I write for Sam Hyde show. And we've been quite a bit of time focusing on that. Just put out my third book as a third play with three, which deals with sex cults and symbols in film. And you know, the first book, funny you mentioned that the first book had a whole chapter on like, raw child sex cult parties. So hey, yeah, yeah, 10 years ago, dude, I published this right here. Check this out. This is back in 2016. And then this is, this is like analyzing eyes, analyzing eyes wide shut. Here's the the raw child ball with all the masks. And the dined up film ninth gate, how a lot of these films have like the sex trafficking, the sex cults, all that stuff, the blackmail. And it's not actually known that they filmed some of those actual raw child mansions. I mean, I think that they're telling us kind of the way the world works eyes wide shut, they're throwing it in our face as our eyes are wide shut. So yeah, that's kind of what I focus on is all that kind of stuff. That's insane. So you must feel so vindicated these days, especially when the files got released. Yeah, in fact, I'll be honest, like I was live streaming right when they started dripping out. And I was checking Twitter, like every few minutes. And I noticed I'm like, Whoa, that's a crazy file. So I was in the midst of the live stream, like live tweeting, like, looking at Twitter. And every minute I would refresh, it would be like just a new mind blowing thing that like 10 years ago would have been the biggest news story for like a week, right? Or a month even. I mean, and it was just like every single minute. So I realized, okay, this is huge. And I, in my opinion, this is like the biggest news story of our lifetime. Up there with like nine, the big nine event up there with COOF COVID and all this kind of stuff. Like this is up there with like showing window into the establishment how we're actually. Do you ever look at your bank account and feel like you're getting hit with fees for no reason, like overdraft fees, monthly fees, ATM fees, just for using your own money? That's exactly why I want to put you on to something better. Chime is changing the way people bank. They're not like traditional banks that Nikol and DymU with random charges. Chime gives you access to thousands of fee free ATMs. And here's where it gets interesting. 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He included tentacles into the Vatican, tentacles into operations like being some of them being involved in the assassination of Princess Diana, arms trafficking, all that kind of stuff. He wrote that as a journalist, geopolitical analyst back in 1999. I think what's come out is actually also vindicated that book. I haven't heard anybody talk about that book in this whole last couple weeks of insanity, but Whitney Webb's book, it's a classic of course, Volume 2 specifically on Maxwell and Epstein. I read that when he came out, same publisher as me. I got an advanced copy of it. That one was just spot on most of what Whitney talked about with the Maxwell operation being a front for the Rothschilds. You would pretty much have that totally vindicated now with even Epstein saying, hey, I represent the Rothschilds. I have all these deals, etc., etc. A lot of indication and even beyond that kind of old school conspiracy stuff with banking dynasties, you have more on the ground than the other ones. I think that's one of the crazy political fixing for the whole globe. One of the first dumps that came out the first day or second day was about how he was going to go meet with 15 heads of countries. He had a schedule where he was planning to go meet world leaders, prime ministers all over the globe. This is an international James Bond villain level, Spectre style fixing consulting operation. Even to the point of like he's in Ukraine a month before Zelensky comes to power and then a few months later Zelensky is like texting saying, I need some consulting from Jim Riebstin. Help me, help me. He's working to overthrow Putin. I mean, it's like he's got his hands in everything. He's explaining to Larry Summers, the Clinton banking viper guy from Harvard. He's explaining to him how the Vatican bank works. I thought that was really crazy. Why does Jeffrey Epstein have such an intimate knowledge of how the Vatican bank works? It's crazy. Yeah, that's pretty nuts. That being said, when you think of a totem pole, would you put him at the top? Because there's some people that think he's a Bond. There's some people that think he took orders from someone, but where do you put him? No, I think that there were people above him. I think he was a high level political fixer. We know that, for example, the Bannon interview and we live streamed and covered the whole Bannon interview on my channel. It was pretty insightful. It was long and yappy, but it was there was some key nugget elements in there. He says early on, he was recruited into the trilateral commission via the Kissinger Network and David Rockefeller. So Rockefeller who created trilateral just for Brzezinski to run back in the 1970s. And these are like high level international, again, geopolitical players. I guess the best way to say it, kind of management people for the global banking empire. So he was recruited into that and put on the steering committee when he was age 30, which is pretty wild. So I think he was high level, but he definitely anybody recruited in brought it and brought into that and brought up and taught that and also being conceivably potentially dispensable. I don't believe he killed himself, but if he was killed in prison, then he's disposable. And so he would not be at the top. There's emails where it seems like people are kind of giving him orders. You have permission to kill. Did you assassinate the spy? So he's kind of like maybe up there around the Kissinger, Brzezinski level person. Yeah. I mean, his fortnight accounts delictive. So I don't know if he killed himself. I saw a claim that people had figured out from the files what some of his passwords were and that they just logged in. But I don't at all discount the possibility that they could have exfiltrated him from the prison. That's absolutely possible. Yeah. I mean, there was too many coincidences that's been talked about a lot, but right. And what are your predictions for the rest of the files? You think those will get released? You think Trump will release those? I mean, it's hard to say because, you know, in my opinion, what I've seen so far, man, I'm always open to correction. I'm not seeing Trump explicitly involved in anything directly PDF, but I do think that he's made a huge blunder, huge mistake in covering up and because of pressure from the CIA and other intelligence agencies like Israeli intelligence and British intelligence. I think there's a lot of pressure put on Trump to not release it because oh, it's going to hurt the stock market and the GDP and the Dow, blah, blah. I mean, that's all ridiculous lines of reasoning. I think it's very destructive for Trump to do this, but he has this tendency to defer to, you know, Israeli interests, Zionist interests. So I think that's a huge part of the story. But as regards the rest of it, who knows? I mean, nothing would surprise me, but I mean, it's they keep thinking that's going to go away administration. Yeah, it's not going away. I don't think so. I mean, it's being talked about every single day and like non-stop. Although if you go to like Boomer News, it doesn't exist. Boomers exist in a different reality like watching Fox News. And if you talk to them about they're like, what are you talking about? Jeff who? What? It's like, actually crazy to me. Wow. It's almost like two different worlds, right? It's two different realities. Exactly. Wow. That's crazy. And where do you see Maxwell go and like, she's been dead silent this whole time, but do you see anything happening with her? Well, it looks like there's some kind of deal that's being made where she's the last thing I saw was a couple of days ago where she said she will exonerate Trump and she gets a deal. So it's like, well, that almost makes it all worthless. Now we don't even know what she's going to publicly say if she says anything after a deal. You know what I mean? It's like, it's all just messed up. The whole justice system makes no sense. It's basically an injustice system. So I don't expect anything substantial to come out of whatever just like Maxwell says in some sort of hearing or whatever. Yeah. When you expose all this years back, what happened to you? Because I had a lot of guys on that were too early on this and they got their whole career to be real. Ben Swan came on the show, he exposed key date and got right away. Well, in fact, the first time I heard about any of this was Alex Jones and Ben Swan. I remember Ben Swan had done an RT report even before the pizza gate. He did an RT report on Lolita Express. And I remember right around that same time, it was probably 2016 or so. I remember Alex was talking about Lolita Express and I remember thinking, what is this? This is like some kind of a high profile thing where they fly people around and they get in the sleep with girls in a jet or something. And I mean, it sounded plausible to me because I've been reading about Blackmail and BlackOps and this kind of stuff since the 2000s. So it didn't seem impossible to me, but it was just, I think people didn't know the scope and the international scale of this sort of industrial level operation that Epstein was involved in. So it definitely felt like there's something there. It's true. He's obviously some kind of high level scumbag and kind of, you know, vindicates the Illuminati. Then we learned about the island and Little St. James. So the more that came out, it's just like more and more and more vindication over the last 10 years. But yeah, there were definitely some people that were way out of the curve. Even back in the 2000s, even in the 90s, there were some people writing books like, there's a guy named William Kennedy that wrote a book in 2004 about ritual abuse that has a lot of overlap with this. That was in the domain of the Roman Catholic Church. There's another book by a guy named Kurt Barker about this stuff and he claims to have been a sort of personal witness to this, that he went through a lot of this stuff. And I remember reading his book in 2015, I was like, this is a little far-fetched. I mean, maybe, but now a lot of the stuff he said is like exactly what we're seeing like in the Epstein stuff. So I think Kurt Barker has been vindicated. You have people like Kathy O'Brien who, you know, might have gone a little, she's got some weird things in her book, Transformation of America, but I think that came out in the 90s and she was saying all the same stuff. So I think many of these survivors, even if their details or stories are a little mixed up, there's definitely some, there's something there and they've been attacked and had their careers ruined. But you know, you go back to Ted Gunderson, the FBI guy out of California, all the way back to the McMartin preschool stuff, he was saying when he investigated that for the FBI in California, that the McMartin preschool had tunnels underneath it. And everybody in the media, like the media covered up for that. They called people crazy for that. And I remember one of the first conspiracy videos I watched online, back when it was Google video, back in the early 2000s, the mid 2000s, was Ted Gunderson's lecture on the McMartin preschool case. And he said, there's tunnels, it's a satanic thing, et cetera, et cetera. Well, it turns out a couple years ago, when they declassified the McMartin preschool stuff, well, and behold, the FBI said, yes, we found evidence of tunnels. So they covered that up. Yeah, and that crazy, they covered that up. The guy that created the false memory syndrome foundation, that was created to say that any kids in 1980s talking about abuse were having false memories. Well, it turns out that guy, Martin Orrn, he ended up being convicted for being a PDF himself. So that was all like a disinformation operation to cover up for, I think, elements of the satanic, the 1980s, elements of that relate to what is the same types of networks of what we're talking about with Epstein. Yeah, the memory stuff's interesting. I saw this morning on Twitter, Epstein had some plan. I don't know if you saw this. So I was capable. I mean, yeah, yeah, it alters or removes memory or something. Yeah, it's weird. The first time I came across that I was watching, because I wrote three books on Hollywood, I was watching an old episode of The Saint with Roger Moore, the guy that would eventually be James Bond. So he was on a TV show called The Saint. There's an episode of The Saint where he goes to Latin South America somewhere and somebody like blows this dust in his face and it's called scopolamine and it removes your willpower, right? Well, lo and behold, that's actually some of the CIA studied in their MKUltra documents. There's a whole list. You can look up of the known documents from MKUltra from the 1950s, 60s, 70s and one of those is studies on scopolamine. So yes, that is a real thing and I would not be so. Do you ever look at your bank account and feel like you're getting hit with fees for no reason, like overdraft fees, monthly fees, ATM fees, just for using your own money? That's exactly why I want to put you onto something better. Chime is changing the way people bank. They're not like traditional banks that nickel and dime you with random charges. Chime gives you access to thousands of fee free ATMs. And here's where it gets interesting. Chime members can earn up to 1150 annual rewards completely fee free. 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What the what the fucking talking about? This is insane that people would still be like trying to be skeptics about the I mean, we're at the level where anybody's I feel like you're still a skeptic or like covering up for this is just a total piece of shit. 100% there's too much evidence. I mean, I remember when the Wayfarer thing was a conspiracy theory, pretty much proved out was true. Just well, we've seen that there were many cases where if you look into and read books about human trafficking, I mean, there've been people have been busted like, you know, those big cargo crates full of people. So this has happened countless times. So it's not outside of their own possibility, even from known established news stories. But take for example, some of the Epstein stuff that seems to hint at like snuff films or things like that. Like, I remember the Guardian was saying, like, even a few years ago, they were writing articles saying there's no such thing as snuff films. They don't even exist. Like, what do you they don't exist? Like, people have been arrested and gone to jail for this kind of stuff. They made movies in the 90s. Nick Cage was in a movie called Eight Millimeter about this. Like, I'm not saying it's true, because it's in a movie, but movies are usually based on some kind of, you know, real event. So yeah, that they would still be trying to act like, no, this exists is just to me, it's, but it's the same with the left. Like in general, like they don't even believe that men are men and women are women. So it's not surprising to me that they would still be denying this. Yeah, yeah, you've uncovered a lot of symbolism in these Hollywood movies. And now it's been exposed that the CIA has a lot of ties to Hollywood, right? That's pretty known at this point. Yeah, I think most of the Western intelligence agencies have a really deep connection going back to the very earliest days of Hollywood. That was something that surprised me when I started researching and writing on this. And when I did my grad work and know I did not finish my thesis, but I did publish the thesis in peer review. But what I decided to do was like, write about it instead of writing for academia, because nobody reads academic stuff. But if I wrote a mainline book, a lot of people would read it. So I started looking really deep into like a relationship between things that people wouldn't think have a connection. CIA, Hollywood, Colts, and lo and behold, I kept noticing like, oh, why here's this Hollywood producer busted doing this. Here's this, you know, sex cult that has, you know, the like the broad the brothman's being connected to the next same cult, right? And it's all the people from the Smallville TV show, the Keith Rainier cult, right? The next him called so big Hollywood thing you've got old cases like the Black Dahlia case, you've got ritual murders in Hollywood, going up to the highest levels of producers, directors, A-listers. And then this whole other domain of like A-list spies, you know, A-list actors, women, literally being spies throughout World War Two Cold War. A whole list of those people like Jimmy Stewart, Kerry Grant, Marlene Dietrich, Catherine Hepburn, she'd be Audrey Hepburn, she did some work for anti-Nazi networks in terms of espionage and trying to help them out. So there's like a whole list of this. Sterling Hayden was an OSS, an operative, a lot of old school Hollywood people. And I think a lot of modern Hollywood people too have even kind of openly said like Ben Affleck, he wrote a love letter to the CIA saying, hey, thanks for working with me to make, you know, Argo and various films that he's worked on. So this, a lot of this is even open. So, yeah, you go down that rotted hole and you notice that it sounds crazy, but there's actually a lot of academic literature about this. That's what I thought would be interesting to write for a public audience. Yeah, I've seen John Carriacou talk about this former CIA. He said you're not a lot of portray the CIA in a negative light in any Hollywood movie. Yeah, there's a book that came out in right after 9-11 called Operation Hollywood. And what the office of that book, this academic text, what they did was they went and studied a bunch of scripts to see which government agencies had consulted and changed them. And it's a lot of top films that you might not expect. Movies like Top Gun, a lot of the Tom Clancy stories, like they had a CIA consultation and changes to the script. And a couple of those reasons are kind of innocuous. Like, well, before the CGI stuff was very popular, they would say, if you want to use a battleship for your film, you've got to portray the Navy in a good light. So it's that kind of stuff. But the deeper you get into it, you find out, well, wait a minute, there's actually CIA liaisons like Milbeard and Chase Brandon. They for many years have been the official CIA consultant on many films. And you find out that it's more than just consulting. And then you find out a lot of the A-list actors are spies, and they're doing PR work for the CIA. So there's a close relationship, oftentimes, between, again, many A-listers, many of them openly work with the CIA. You can look up like, you know, George Clooney, Jennifer Garner, Claire Danes, all those people have kind of an open PR Hollywood association with the CIA. But, and it's not just CIA, right? It's also British intelligence. This goes back to, you know, in the UK, they've been doing this for forever. Actors have been spies for centuries. So it's not surprising. I was just going to ask, is Israel infiltrating that, you think, as well? Oh, yeah, I mean, there have been whole production companies. I mean, Oranan Milken, the famous Hollywood producer, I mean, he was very closely tied to the hip to the Mossad and to Israel. This is well known. It's not even a conspiracy theory. Yeah, there's tons of connections there. For example, you know, Rose McGowan, when she came out with a lot of her stories of what was happening to her, she was actually saying that she was being sort of messed with and harassed by a, you know, Black Cube intelligence agency, which was a former Israeli intelligence type of thing. So, yeah, this goes on all the time. There's a lot of connections to that. And really, I think the best way to understand this is if you think about the five eyes of Western intelligence and the coordination that they have, really, anything that comes out from the Western perspective is going to be coordinated and aligned. So for example, in the Ukraine, all the Western intelligence agencies will coordinate and work together. So British intelligence, CIA, Mossad, Canadian intelligence, right? Anything within the domain of the Western Atlantis is power blocked. They have a special relationship where they will work together. And really, it's no different in film producing in Hollywood. The FBI is involved in various films, CIA, Mossad, British intelligence, they all work together. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of a shame now how when you watch modern films, you kind of have to watch it like kind of on edge a little bit to, to like see what they're trying to program in your head, you know? Yeah, you know, the first two books I focused on like Colt and Mafia and Intelligence. And then the third book, I thought, you know, I need to include some more like basic level propaganda, like gender, because I didn't cover a whole lot of that in the first two books. I just focused on the more, you know, geopolitical conspiracy stuff in movies and Hollywood. But in the third book, I spent a whole 50, 60 page section on how Hollywood inverts gender and promotes a lot of feminist stuff. And particularly through the goddess, like they promote this idea of this, you know, salvific girl teenage girl figure who's kind of like, do all the stuff that dudes do, like black ops, killing everybody be nasty, you know, just insane nonsensical stuff. But if you notice in a lot of films, and there's a couple outliers, but like in a lot of films in the last 10, 20 years, it's almost always now like a female hero. And she's like a teenager, right? So you don't have them strong male protagonist anymore. And they've done that on purpose. We covered one of the top global elite texts not too long ago called changing images of man, published by the way by Robert Maxwell. And that book talks about like promoting feminism, promoting the goddess, promoting all these kinds of like inverted things to change society, to not be patriarchal. So feminism is a huge player in this, ideologically speaking. But also, so is like the the trans element to like getting people to like, you know, get into just really aberrant forms of sexuality to do base the population to make them more easy to control. Yeah, well said. When I go on my wife's Instagram or Netflix account, and everyone watching this can try this with their girl, but basically go on their top 10 movies, top 10 shows, the wife's always the one leading the guy looks like he's an idiot. You got it. That's the message right there, you know, crazy. Yeah, that's I mean, there was a guy forget the guy's name. There used to be a guy even like 15 years ago, and he started calling this out. And he focused on advertising. And even like 15 years ago, they started putting into every ad, like the dude is a total idiot. He has to defer to the wife, the wife's bossing him around like the wife's the one who runs the house. It's like, we didn't even realize it 15, 20 years ago that even even advertisements were were that bad. And now it's everything right like Super Bowl, halftime show ads at the Super Bowl, like for years, they've been just total absolute propaganda. And that's what people don't realize. It's like, it's not just about making money. They actually have studies, plans, techniques, for example, changing images man was was written in 1982. And that's a high level textbook for grad students at Stanford Research or Harvard other schools that would be participating in these high level programs for people who would go into like international relations or intelligence work, they would be reading this book. And it's it was always really hard to find a hard copy, you could find PDFs of it floating around the internet for forever. But I had a listener who got ahold of a copy and sent it to me. And we read that a couple months ago. And I mean, again, it's like, it's a conspiracy book in the sense that it reveals everything, but it's not written as a conspiracy. It's an establishment text admitting everything. And that's what we kind of always done on my channel is we spent the last 10 years focusing on reading and lecturing through the elites themselves, what they put in their books, that way you can't say, oh, you're just conspiracy theorizing, you can't prove it. Dude, I'm going from their books. What are you talking about? Well, I need to find a copy of that one. They don't sell that one anywhere, you said. Do you ever look at your bank account and feel like you're getting hit with fees for no reason? Like overdraft fees, monthly fees, ATM fees, just for using your own money? 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know watchers and viewers and listeners realized hey wait a minute that was published by Robert Maxwell's company so again famous books yeah exactly well they set up they set up a publishing empire for him British intelligence and a massage that for a cover no way yeah it was a cover for a lot of his espionage stuff why so that because he wrote uh 48 laws of power right I think he wrote that one no in some way well he might I don't know who the publisher was that you're talking about Robert Green oh that could be Robert Green yeah I have that book too but no I'm talking about so Robert Maxwell was just Lane's dad who he ran um I forget that uh Mcnolland or Maxwell Publishing and then they have other subsidiaries like Pergamon Press that's owned by got it Maxwell Publishing but um it was a huge like billion dollar publishing empire back in the day and um it was kind of set up and created for him to run to do I mean they do publish books but it's a cut out it does other stuff too so it was also a way for him to engage in a lot of his like espionage activities yeah to publish and rather all is is an interesting one when you look at who made all our history textbooks I've been looking into that lately that's a crazy one well do why is Robert Maxwell putting out like these high level geopolitical international relations textbooks that's what I'm saying like that's weird like just Lane's dad right the one that set up the whole operation and basically brought uh Jeffrey in and taught him how to do all the stuff he's the one that's like literally one of the biggest publishers back in the 70s 80s wow that's actually nuts yeah it makes me wonder how they're gonna adapt to the to the era now if they're gonna try to take over alternative media or what their plans are you know I think they're already trying to do that with like putting out a lot of these phony baloney people in alternative media who you know claim to be journalists or whatever and like these people that are still like saying well there's nothing in the upstream files you know what I mean like I think that's how they're gonna approach alt media because mainstream media is pretty much already collapsed and it's only got you know the boomer viewership which the boomers are going to be gone in 10 years so I think they probably already are planning to have you know people in the in the internet sphere and I already have them putting out just to hold on nonsense you think they'll be able to infiltrate alternative media like they did with traditional they'll probably try to set up networks and then try to get everybody's attention on centralized networks just like the way that they they move the internet away from websites to social media so they'll probably mirror that with some kind of centralized form of trying to have media and then probably bring out the censorship again which people are starting to say that they think the censorship is about to come back probably well for next election it's there it's already beginning to happen now so I do channel that got deleted yesterday just for criticizing political opinions so I think it might start rolling out sooner than even the next administration well there was a mass ban on YouTube recently demonetization a lot of people that hit was each time other ai stuff or something else I think it was the AI stuff yeah yeah I don't know if that's free speech well I mean yeah I mean that that might be what they might claim you know that well we're just banning everybody who's AI but then include you know I mean like they might include within that things that aren't about AI as a convenient excuse I mean who knows yeah it would not be fun to go through what the Biden years of censorship that was it but no man actually for you right yeah and we've got you know a lot of a back catalog of stuff that's going back 10 years of videos and talks covering all this kind of stuff epsom stuff stuff so yeah I'm sure I'll be newt pretty quick but I was one of the first I take I take pleasure in the fact that I was one of the first people back in about 2015 I got a one-year ban from Facebook wow because I was debating things related to Zionism and even back then like such as it wasn't like you know heavy I wasn't saying anything outrageous I was just debating it but I think they just tested like one-year bans on people back that early yeah I haven't heard of a one-year ban that's that's a little one to me yeah one year on Facebook and I had to uh I basically just I created an alternate account like a just a different name and use that for a year but then eventually my other one came back and then I just got sick and quit using Facebook because it's retarded and boomer anyway yeah so how does it feel talking about Zionism back then compared to now I mean now back then you were the minority right well I used to have a blog in 2007 or 2008 where I talked about it and back then you would get threats like you would get back out of a dude saying he's gonna call my work get me fired because I wasn't doing media full time full time back in the blogging days I was just you know writing stuff on my blog and you don't think that that's gonna really go anywhere affect anybody but at one point because I started getting linked by David Eich and Alex Jones back even in 2007 or 2008 and so I would get like 2000 hits on my blog every day which I thought that was crazy that's a huge huge amount back then uh but even that wasn't enough to like attract some attention of people oddly enough in the religious theory we're like you know evangelical Zionists who are like we gotta get this guy fired figure out where he works calls work so I started noticing back then like people are super hostile like they don't think about this topic rationally they get really upset um and that actually drove me to get more interested in the history of Israel the history of the Rothschild's history of international banking so the more I got into that more I realized like other word really really works um and I ended up like not blogging anymore but eventually coming back and doing other stuff like podcasting and yeah it's a different world now like it's it's a lot freer than it was back in the 2000s and not just because of Zionism like if you talked about any of this kind of stuff in the 2000s man everybody just called you just they just thought you were bad shit crazy that's when conspiracy theorists actually meant something back then now it's like a compliment you know now it's like yeah it's like a normal scroll it's like every reel is a conspiracy theory now but I mean yeah back in the 2000s it was it was rough um I remember too even like in the late 90s one of the first conspiracy things I saw was somebody had a geocities page about Bilderberg and I remember I saw that like 1998 and I was like what's this Bilderberg group and then a couple years later I saw you know Alex Jones talking about it in 2002-03 um and then I got into you know studying 9-11 and what happened on 9-11 and that's inside job obviously so yeah the the rabbit hole takes you from conspiracy to like espionage and geopolitics that's the route I took right and that led me to study in a lot of the stuff like wouldn't end up being what Epstein does right like sex, espionage, blackmail, sexual entrapment, honey traps, all that kind of stuff so that's what I was studying in my grad work and then you know you're the only good we could talk to about that are like people in academia who know about it the public thinks it's crazy but then here we are 20 years later and it's like okay yeah no it's all real yeah yeah because I was pretty social media so you couldn't even find your kind of tribe of people to talk to about it no it was all it was all blogs and um message boards back then so you could like you know meet a few people on message boards but again you were still the minority I would say you know for all the you know there's good and bad with Trump but like the Trump era really it's a paradigm shift right and not just of the Trump did but I think there was key elements like key cultural things like Bruce gender being woman of the year that was a huge like in 2016 when that happened I noticed a lot of people were sort of like they were forced into position where they had to say okay either mainstream media is a gigantic machine of lying and propaganda or you're gonna double down to not be an outsider and admit absurd things that women are men right and men are women and I think a lot that broke a lot of people's brains and then when covid happened that broke a lot of people's brains especially because that was a giant like psychological warfare operation in Madyu yeah and so you know we've just had basically the the winnowing of the wheat from the chaff in the last 10 years going back to Bruce gender it's like people have either gotten more and more crazy and insane and doubled triple down on just madness or they've gotten more and more awake so this you know ultimately there's a lot of crappy stuff happening but I think it's good for it all to come out I agree I'd rather know than not know right you think they'll attempt another covid like situation in our last time probably I mean I don't know what they'll do or how to do it I think they have a lot of different you know cards they could play we could see like a giant cyber pandemic like you know claus was always talking about during covid that we'll have another cyber pandemic cyber polygon where the internet will go down so they could do some kind of big internet false flag they could have an economic collapse that's probably gonna happen anyway because you know with the fiat money and the money-burning and all that like there's no way they can save the economy ultimately um they could have a war we're gonna be worth it I mean anything they could do anything and maybe even double in the mob like have a pandemic and a cyber pandemic you know what I mean so I think that probably covid was a research and development experiment to see for what they could to see what they could do down the road and one of the recent wef dallas documents even admitted that admitted that it was kind of an experiment wow and where does bill fit in all this bill gates because he was in the file as people connected with covid like have you researched a lot into him yeah I've been following uh you know that whole side of things for a long time do you ever look at your bank account and feel like you're getting hit with fees for no reason like overdraft fees monthly fees atm fees just for using your own money that's exactly why I want to put you onto something better chime is changing the way people bank they're not like traditional banks that nicol and dime you with random charges chime gives you access to thousands of fee-free atms and here's where it gets interesting chime members can earn up to 1150 annual rewards completely fee-free if you set up direct 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ebstein to see you know what hits and what doesn't uh and i would say he's he's a high level you know person in the conspiracies maybe not at the very tip top but uh he's definitely one of the top uh global movers and shakers and he definitely had a huge role in uh you know covid and um that whole scam because um you know he they set up if you if you look at the john johns hopkins exercises before covid if you look at the emails between ebstein and gates about running pandemic simulations back into 2017 i think that all of those are like kill shots right there geez yeah i don't see too many positive comments about them these days um have you looked into the ebstein bitcoin theory uh i have and uh i'm a big proponent of bitcoin so i obviously when that came up i saw i was my interest was peaked um so bitcoin is not a centralized entity so it doesn't have um a way to like get into the code and create some sort of backdoor something like that it's a public ledger that's run on decentralized nodes and so it's kind of it's like it's a protocol kind of like email and the ledger the code all that's publicly accessible so for example to have any change in the bitcoin infrastructure or in in bitcoin itself you need the majority of the nodes and miners to go along with it and so you can't just like change it there's no like seek there's no hack or do they can like type up a new code and change it like that and that was one of the features that they put into bitcoin to make it kind of it can't be hacked in that way yeah you would have to get the majority of people on board to to agree to change the code and then run the new uh altered code or whatever so it's true that ebstein put money into this and had an intense interest in bitcoin early on but ebstein had interest in all kinds of tech ventures early on and he threw money at all kinds of things right it's kind of like saying ebstein was interested in real estate so if you are involved in real estate you're involved in an ebstein activity well that's a fallacy in terms of logic so and yeah so that there was that one email where uh that was obviously fake where he said to uh just lain we we've done well creating creating our experiment of bitcoin and it's like it had the email was obviously fake it had two and then two right two is in the who's the recipient and then another line down and said two so that was a lazy sloppy um creation um but also like having an interest in some of the early coding and and trying to fund it at the bitcoin foundation like i mean bitcoin is not tied to those things because it's a decentralized network so that'd be like saying they'd be like saying if somebody put money into studying email early on right like here's this bad dude who put money into studying the email protocol back in the 1990s so i guess email is evil because an evil dude it's just it doesn't make any sense yeah i've seen theories that the cia started it allegedly but who actually knows right well if you look in i've looked into all those like the thing with that one is that if you look at the original paper from MIT that's usually people point to is like oh look here's a paper from MIT about um peer to peer uh e-cash okay well first of all that was a version of the dollar and bitcoin is not e it's not e-cash bitcoin is a non you can't print more bitcoin right so it has a limited supply but the dollar is fiat you can always have more dollars so the original paper that people usually refer to that MIT was a proposal to have a fiat fee dollar and that's not what bitcoin is the whole ethos of bitcoin is to oppose the idea of having um fiat currency that can be inflated because it has a it's capped at 21 million so that's what usually people were talking about but also um i mean if the cia was was going to create bitcoin or was it was involved in that they they were kind of birthing the thing that's against the ethos of the cia because the cia's original founders and and its long track record in terms of its overall operating ideology is avian socialism and kainzianism right and kainzian economics is all about money printing and have more and more inflated numbers of dollars versus what backs up the dollar but again the whole ethos of bitcoin is against that it's more of the austrian school of economics as opposed to the the uh kainzian fabian socialist economics so it really wouldn't make sense for an institution with kind of a fabian socialist kainzian ethos to create something that's austrian economics yeah it'd be ironic right do you have any sense do you have any faith in the dollar i know you said um might crash all currencies crash eventually but do you see that as a possibility i guess in our lifetime for our children's lifetime yeah every fiat currency goes to zero everyone there's no there's never been one in history that has maintained value they always crash because it's too much of a temptation for the central bank to keep printing uh and once you've already gone off of the gold standard like we did in the 1970s under nixon there's no way to go back to that there's no way to the only thing that could have worked was to maybe tie it to bitcoin and for the government to have a bitcoin strategy reserve but who knows whether that's going to happen or what's going on with that um and because the u.s. does have and could potentially have a lot of bitcoin uh and it's the only asset that's that hard and not inflatable there's no other asset that's not inflationary like that even gold is inflationary it's like 10 20 percent or no it's five to 10 percent every year more gold is added to the market because it's dug up but with bitcoin it's not that you can't make more bitcoin it will never be more than 21 million so there's a fixed supply that itself is a safeguard against any government trying to infinitely print more money and inject that into the to the economy to save the economy you're just kicking the can down the road and every nation that's how to fiat currency has collapsed and ours will not be any different when that will be i don't know but i can't imagine it lasting more than i mean under the biden alone it's like he inflated the the the dollar like 10 and 20 percent and covet as well like the whole time period made the dollars purchasing power collapse and i feel like ai's gonna speed it up even more right that's a great point yeah i mean i don't know how they'll eat you mean so basically people will be out of work right i just redid my whole website for 25 bucks and it's better than the original site i paid 5000 oh wow crazy right that is nuts i mean yeah a lot of people would speculate about like exactly what a l do i i'm not sure but it probably will replace a lot of kind of mid-low-tier jobs and if it does that that will be a disaster for the economy as well there's no doubt it's it's going to i mean even it'll get to the high tier jobs my mom works at aws they just fired 16 000 people replace them with ai so now oh amazon oh yes oh yeah now to an ai and i think a lot of people's bosses in the future will be ai and it's going to be based off your results emotions will be a non-factor in the business environment what do you think about the a lot of people are also talking about like even in the sphere of the legal realm right like what will you have like an ai lawyer like there's a new movie yeah i know a lot of lawyers and they're not even hiring paralegals right now or their limit years on them because ai is actually better than a paralegal right now dang well there's it's funny because there's that movie out right now i don't think it got very good reviews but that chris pratt movie where he's on trial and his he's the the judge is ai so he has to make a defense it's like a near it's like 10 20 years in the future and he's like yeah the judge is that he said even you don't even need like a jury right because the idea would be supposedly the ai would be even superior to a jury right with all their preconceptions and their emotional ties and that that could affect their judgment and jury trials so in the future you have an ai judge that you have to convince with you know just facts and logic right wow i don't know how i feel about that because i actually do agree i think juries are very biased you know oh yeah i mean it makes sense on paper like it sounds good but the problem is like well but people can program the ai to also be biased you know i mean so it's like it's hard to know whether it would actually work in praxis you know and also the technocrats i think want everything to be run by ai i don't think they have our our our best interests yeah master bail in terry palantir that's another rato yep i'm sorry very kind to uh picture honestly for our kids any one yeah i think without being filmed yeah tia total informational awareness was something that came out of 9 11 and that's like admiral john poindexter and people who said hey now that we've had this massive terror attack the only way we're going to prevent this which again the establishment i think was involved in that like it served their purposes amazingly right and if you get into studying like intelligence stuff they'll often say even the people in in intelligence will say some of the best successes in the domain of intelligence are when there's a massive intelligence failure and that the reason for that is that they get to say oh you didn't fund us enough if we had only had more funding we could have prevented this giant terror attack and so not allow them to then go with total information awareness which supposedly uh you know congress went against but they just do these things secretly anyway they don't care if the laws you know go against it they'll just set up this operation in some other country where it's not illegal so they can get around all the legalities if they need to but um fast forward you know after 9 11 to where we are now and it's like all of this really couldn't have come about without the cold war and 9 11 to create the surveillance state all of it's a product of that even the internet itself comes out of the cold war with arpanet and arpanet looking for a way to um have uh covert cryptographic communications that the soviets couldn't get a hold of that was all developed uh in the cold war that produced the internet yeah just sir reminds me of now these days tiktok how it's destroyed everyone's attention through short form content right that's like all what's all about yeah birch or birch and russell uh one of the global elite books we cover two of his books um he was a fabian socialist uh kind of a crazy wacko but very powerful and very elite uh he said that you could you could do this kind of stuff with messing with people's mind by not just what i mean you know the tech stuff yet but um he said that you could like mess with people's destroy their attention spans and then get them to believe that black is white white is black and you do this on purpose you you inculcate people with contradictions to make them essentially pliable and malleable so that they will believe anything that the state says and if you read 1984 when winston is like when he's going through all that torture process that's what o brianus is inculcating and he says i want you to understand that when i hold up five fingers i don't want you to just say that this is six fingers because i say so i want you to actually believe that five is six and that's he's expressing what birch and russell said in his nonfiction books that that's the the sigh of of the dystopia is to make you say things that you know are contradictory but also to actually believe it because then they have godlike powers wow that's crazy we're heading towards that movie idiocracy have you seen a la yeah um it's when you say that because back in the day like eight or ten years ago alex used to have um i just went blank on the guy's name but a guy that made idiocracy and divas and bot had and all that he used to come on alex all the time back then and he talked about how like he'd listen to alex jones and a lot of the characters in king of the hill like some of those characters based on alex jones so even like movies like idiocracy or king of the hill have a bit of an influence from the conspiracy world but um yeah i think idiocracy is a much maybe even a better dystopian explanation than the older hardcore dystopia is like brave new world or 1984 i think maybe 1984 was too it's too much it was too focused on like one gigantic super state like smashing everybody every day but brave new world was more insightful because he's like no we'll just drug the population and get them addicted to sex and all kinds of and then we'll have them totally controlled and then idiocracy and brave new world kind of have you know the same the same vibe more so than like you know 1984 is kind of Stalinist and you know Stalin didn't end up really winning so but the brave new world model did well jay it's been fun man uh hope to set up a debate view in the future but uh sir in the musiland black and people get your books and find you and all that yeah if you go to jaysanalysis.com in the shop you can get any of my books they're all signed copies from my website so don't get them from jeff bezos get them from me i also have an archive of 10 years of lectures talks interviews stuff dealing with all these books that we've referenced today you can find me on twitter under jay dire and then most fridays although alx kind of go through a transition right now but most fridays host the alisho and show the fourth hour awesome thanks man absolutely thank you thanks for watching all the way to the end guys please hit like and subscribe it helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests thank you so much i don't know who needs to hear this but a lot of people are still getting wrecked by their bank monthly fees overdraft fees paying just to use your own money it makes 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