149. Kim Rogers: Parasites, Hidden Infections, and the Cleanse Protocol for Gut Health, Energy, and Recovery

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There are over 10,000 species of parasites on this planet and some of the most common ones can live inside the human body for years without ever showing up on standard labs. They don't trigger red flags on routine blood work. They just quietly drain you of nutrients, disrupt your hormones, and leave you wondering why you're feeling exhausted, bloated, or have brain fog. You might be stuck in chronic symptoms that no one can explain and the cause might be worms. In this episode on Extend, I'm joined by Kim Rogers, widely known as the Worm Queen. After spending more than 20 years inside the healthcare system, authoring national certification exams and advising medical boards, Kim's own health crisis including endometriosis, mole toxicity, Lyme disease, and chronic fatigue forced her to question what conventional medicine was missing. Her personal parasite cleansing journey went viral, reaching millions and sparking a conversation many practitioners avoid. We break down what parasites are, how they hide, why testing is often unreliable, and what a safe, phased, beginner-friendly approach to gut restoration really looks like. So you can make informed decisions about your health. Kim, you're the Worm Queen and it's so good to have you here. Thank you for having me. Yes, I'm really excited to talk to you. The more I dive into gut health and functional medicine, the more I see there's a huge gap of knowledge out there for all the different potential possibilities that people could be suffering in they have never even heard of. And so worms, parasites has definitely falls in that category. It does. It's not talked about. No. And there wasn't an easy solution before I went viral in 2021. It was like a piecemeal situation and no one really wanted to talk about it and coming from Western medicine. It wasn't something that I had ever talked about either or wrote in my curriculum that I used to write. So it really is kind of a missed subject that I'm seeing really needs to continue to be pushed to the forefront. It's a simple thing. Right. I really appreciate you doing that. But I'm curious, how did you come upon parasites? Did you have a story that you kind of struggled with them or someone else close to you? So in 2019, I was really super ill and so my husband quit his job and I quit my job and we had a piece of recreational property out in Hoodsport, Washington. And we decided we were going to build a log home and try and figure out what was wrong with me. I had had 13 surgeries and a hysterectomy and I was basically told this is your life. And I thought that's just not good enough for me. I want to know what's really wrong with me. And so we set out to figure that out for me. And in the process of it, we grew mushrooms and we figured out more functional ways of assisting my body, helping me get into remission for endometriosis, which I had stage four. And it just became a mission for me and Jeremy to figure out exactly what was wrong with my body. So you had all the symptoms and signs of endometriosis. Was that the main, and did you have other diagnoses as well? Yeah, fibromyalgia and autoimmune encephalitis is what I now know I have from childhood. And so all of the things that I've discovered about myself have been stemming from that endometriosis label. Trying to figure out what's going on. And I think endometriosis is one of those diagnoses in medicine where if you can't figure out what's happening, then you see signs of endometriosis. You tell people to have endometriosis and then you're stuck with it forever. And we know there's root causes for why people get that, right? Yes. My root cause was parasites, mold and chronic end stages of Lyme. And I probably didn't really need to have a hysterectomy at 29 years old. 29? Yeah, I was 29. No kids. What was your job back then? I've worked in Western medicine since 2004. I hold two healthcare degrees and I ran 25 healthcare colleges. I also authored multiple books with Cengage, Pearson and McGraw Hill for the curriculum that I wrote for the colleges as well as just because I really love learning and education. So I did that for around 15 years before I started to get really ill and my health started to decline and then I became a recruiter because I could work from home and then it just declined to a point where I couldn't work at all. And how did you figure out you had mold, Lyme and parasites? So in 2019 when we went out to our recreational property to build our log home and to figure out what was going on with my body, we did mushrooms like functional, Lyons main, Turkey tail, which now I know Turkey tail and Lyons main were very instrumental in helping my endometriosis go into remission. But while we're doing all of that, I started to feel a little bit better, but just not at a point where I'm like, this is it. This is my life is so much better. So I was on TikTok in 2021. I had a very small account around 10,000 followers. I was showing people how to grow mushy and also how to build our log home. So I was showing them my life and I decided to do a parasite cleanse. I came across a gals, a TikTok that said, I almost unalived myself over worms. And it just kind of stopped me in my tracks. And I thought, you know, I've done a lot of things in my life, but I've never dewormed myself. And it starts to make sense when I find out I have Cryptosporidium Parvium, which is parvo, which kills puppies and it's shutting my organs down. So it all started to kind of make sense for me to try this very inexpensive, just a parasite tincture from Amazon. And within three days, I saw flukes, roundworm and pinworms in the toilet. And this pain that I had had on my right side, I've never had it again. That's crazy. It was crazy. So I did a video and 60 seconds later, changed my whole life. And I've done this every day. I've talked about it every day. I've podcasted. I started a business over it. So it was really life changing. Where did you live prior to moving and building the log cabin home? We lived in the outskirts of Seattle. Got it. Yeah. And then Nevada before that. Got it. And do you think like the environment, like I'm just curious, like, where did you get the lime, the mold and the worms from? Like the parasite from, was it like the, was your home very moist? Was, where did you think it came from? Well, the lime, I know I got bit in my teens. Oh, you did. Okay. And I have my medical records from when I was born. So my dad was military. So I've been able to kind of go back and look to see and do the checklist. Right. And so I know I got bit in my behavior in my life kind of changed around 12, 13 years old. So that's how I know I've had lime for an extended period of time. My mom also has mold in her body. And so we found that out since all of this. I really have done a huge deep dive into my health and then my lineage is health. So that I have a better idea of like how to help my family with all of the things I've under, you know, uncovered, but it really started back in my teens. And then I was chronically ill since then. So I've been chronically ill. Yeah. Since around 13. Wow. Yeah. And you finally feel great again. Oh, I do. I finally know how to pivot and have an understanding of my health. And then I learn about it and then I share it with my community. That's kind of what my goal was when I went on TikTok was, Hey, I really want to have a community. I'm chronically ill. It's very lonely and isolating. And I really want to know what else is out there. So when I went viral, I mean, I'm talking like not a little viral. That video got a million views the first two hours that I posted it. Total now it's around 11 million views, but at one point TikTok, I was getting 40 to 50 million views a month. And so that's where I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is something like there's something here that needs to be talked about. And then 2021, we were in the change over right from 2020. And so we were really looking at more natural ways. And so people are very interested in using herbs more now than they've ever been before. And I have a background of Western medicine. So I would, I'm not just some random chick on the internet that's like, you have words, it's like, no, like there's science behind some of these things. And there's science behind what I'm saying. And I'm proof because I've been documenting myself every day for, for four years. Where do people get worms from? Well, I got them specifically with the, what we're talking about from the water. So we tested our water and our water went to Mexico to get tested and it came back positive for nematodes. So roundworm is what's in the water up there from the well, but it's a community well. So it's not just our well, but a lot of people will get them from water, from salmon is a big one. And mainly because you can see them in the salmon because the salmon's pink and the worms are white, but most fish have worms. So eating raw, anything raw can have parasites in them, raw meat produce that hasn't been cleaned and properly, you know, done up. So that you're not eating what someone else handled specifically organic just because it's not sprayed to keep these things off. So you really got to soak your produce to make sure that nothing's hiding in it or on it. And a lot of these are microscopic. So Giardia is microscopic, D. Fraggilis is microscopic, which is what Jeremy had. And then I had crypto and that's microscopic. So you can't really see them. You have to clean them off your produce and food. Got it. So, you know, obviously you mentioned like produce and meat and salmon, water. Like a lot of people could potentially be exposed to this. They have no idea. Yeah. Why is like everyone not suffering from worms? Like why is it that certain people have worms that actually take hold in the body and stay there? And some people will never know because they haven't disrupted them. Right. That's really what it is. You've disrupted their home. They live in a biofilm. So maybe you ate something that disrupted them. Maybe you have something very stressful in your life happening, which is what happened to me in 2016. It was a very stressful year. I was living in mold unaware. I was being pelted with worm water, unaware. And I have chronic end stages of Lyme, unaware. And so you start to compile all of those environmental toxins that are attacking my body and I just really end the stress. So my frequency is already low. They love low frequencies. So you're just continuing to compile it. And my body was like, I've just had enough. Yeah. Yeah. So it sounds like, you know, very typically people with Lyme, they're more susceptible to like everything because our immune system is so busy fighting Lyme disease constantly. And so they become more susceptible to mold. And so that's why we see a lot of Lyme and mold together and also potentially parasites. Yes. And we had pets that had worms. Pets are a huge way to catch a parasite, specifically roundworm and the microscopic like crypto. And so when you have an animal, you're deworming them, them, but you're not deworming yourself, which is kind of a crazy concept, I think, for most people that are first diving down the wormhole. Is that what do you mean? I could get worms from my dot. Well, they're licking you, you're cleaning up after them. And you can do your best to wipe your hand, you know, wash your hands. But what if you step in it and you track it in your socks? I mean, there's so many ways to catch a parasite. So that's really where my forefront is, is just be proactive. Like do the things that you need to do, like, purify parasite cleanse three to four times a year. Other countries do this. Other countries are aware that parasites are real. We just aren't because we're in Western medicine country. What countries are aware of parasites and do frequent cleanses? Mexico, they do them often. You can go to the pharmacy and get like Ben Bendizal and Ben Bendizal and Ivor for like seven bucks. They do it twice a year minimum, usually. And some things are required for you to take on anti-parasitic. Jamaica, they do a monthly tea called the Bush. And they're very adamant about continuing that trend down to all of their people. And so usually Korea, because they eat a lot of meat or a lot of salmon and raw fish. So Guatemala, Latin American countries. I mean, Jeremy and I go on cruises. And when we hop off at the port, we'll go to the pharmacy and anti-parasitics are everywhere. Like it's not really a hidden thing in other countries. The top three countries that don't parasite cleanse are us, the United States, Canada and Australia, because we sell a parasite cleanse. Those are our top three countries that buy from us. Really? That's so interesting. And do you think like, is there a way to test for parasites if someone is curious if they have parasites or not? Usually you can test through LabCorp. However, when I first started this journey four years ago, I sent the same stool from LabCorp as I did to parasites.org, which is where I get tested. And they sent it to Mexico and LabCorp came back negative and parasites.org came back saying I had crypto, Jeremy had defragilis and we had roundworm. So it's very difficult to test. And it's something that I'm working towards doing some form of like medical reform to allow better testing in our country for mold parasites in lime. But it's hard because they're in a biofilm, they're frequency in our body. So they fully understand that you know about them, right? Your frequency changes, their frequency changes. And so it's very difficult to detect them. So we just kind of randomly think, oh, well, if it comes back negative, then there's nothing that it could be. And so we treat other things instead of just being like, let's be proactive. Like you've got an animal, you're walking barefoot outside, you're eating questionably. Why not just do something that's not going to hurt you? Right. Right. Right. Yeah. And that's the thing, the treatment is so low impact as far as like hurting you. It could be potentially just like if you have a false negative or even a, you know, a positive, you should just get treated. So if you do the same thing anyway, why even test is like also like the question, right? Yes. Yeah. When you say tested in Mexico, is there like a lab down there that tests you as parasite.org? You said? Yeah, I just put it in my, I just just like the same thing with LabCorp. And then you just ship it and then they test it because it's what they do. Right. It's their parapsytologist. They're looking at it all day. Because I worked in the academia world, I am very aware of how lab technicians treat and look at the stool when you have a parasite come across. They don't really have a lot of time to look at the stool and they're not fully aware of what they're looking at. And it's set out. They only got a snapshot of a day in your gut, which they live in our blood, our tissue and our muscles. So they're not just in our gut. So it could come back negative that in fact, you don't have anything in your gut, but you still feel like trash and you feel like trash because it's not just in your gut. So if we did live blood analysis and we would see it, you would see it instantly. Every live blood analysis test that's come across my email or in our DMs has had a parasite in it. So we see live blood analysis. That's where they take your blood and they look at it under a microscope and they see the parasites in there. Yes. Immediately. So is that frequent and prevalent that people have this? Yes. Wow. They can even do a sample in your mouth and determine if you have parasites in your gums. Wow. And so, you know, to your point then, like if you, whether or not you have parasites, it might be a good idea to just even think about doing a cleanse every once in a while. This episode was brought to you by Next Health, a health optimization and longevity clinic located in Los Angeles, Manhattan, and soon to be opening in Montecito, Nashville, Miami, and many other cities in the United States and Canada. Next Health is the Apple store of wellness, where you can optimize your health span and lifespan using cutting edge technology. I actually founded Next Health eight years ago to give my patients a place to go get extensive biomarker testing done and provide them with all the tools that I use to get my health in order. The longevity circuit in Next Health using hyperbaric oxygen, sauna, cryotherapy, and LED light is a game changer. In addition, the doctors at Next Health measure thousands of biomarkers and put into place a longevity optimization plan using advanced tools like ozone, plasma exchange, and peptides. Go to www.next.health to check it out. I just want to go back to the symptoms. I want to make sure people are listening to this, that they can maybe identify with some symptoms that they're feeling. So what are some of the gut symptoms that someone could have with, with parasites? IBS. Yep. IBD. Usually if you're drinking water or you're just eating a salad and you get bloated right out of the gate. And in my world, we call that endobelly, right? Because you were just, you would eat something and you would just immediately look pregnant. Well, now I know that's because I had crypto and parasites and not just necessarily endobelly. So you get really bloated. You really don't get hungry, which that can pair with mold as well, because they can hold up to six to eight times their weight in spores, heavy metals, other parasites. And so if you've disrupted them and they start to drop these environmental toxins into your body, you can also have a multitude of those problems. I would say not just when the gut, but like grinding your teeth because they hijack our nervous system and they can steal magnesium and calcium from our bodies. And that's what you need to stop grinding. And so you're malnourished from that because they're absorbing all of it, right? Usually being insomniac because they're nocturnal creatures. So they're up around seven PM when you're like, okay, I'm ready to go to bed. They're not, they're ready to party and they are telling you, you got to eat sugar, you got to eat salt. I'm hungry. This is my breakfast because they're in your thoughts and in your frequency. So you're really just trying to like diffuse them. Got it. That's really what it's about. Okay. Yeah. And also I think people just like, like you were saying earlier, brain fog. Yes. Lots of fatigue throughout the day. Yes. Irritability, I think as well is another symptom that potentially. Yes. That's another symptom. Really, it sounds like, oh my gosh, everyone has this, but it's such an easy scenario of how to fix it too. Like really the brain fog for me was one of the worst because I do, I am a very high performer. I'm very smart. I was a valovictorian in both of my degrees. I really love using my mind. And so I personally know when it's time for me to cleanse because I start to feel that brain fog again. I start to feel like I can't eat without feeling like a stomach ache. And, and then once you start getting into this, you really don't want to stop, you know, right? You feel so good. We, I've been sick for so long that when I start to feel good again, I'm like, oh my gosh, I need to keep doing this. Yeah. And so I started going, okay, well, Oregon grape root helps with small intestinal parasites because of just the frequency of that particular herb. And then if you pair it with Usnia, which is something that not a lot of people know about, it helps push out its mother nature's doxocycline. And so it's a really great herb for people that are pushing lime out of the actual parasite itself because it'll help diffuse it and your body won't reabsorb it. Okay. So then I'm like, what else do I need? Oh, a binder. What's a binder? Right. I come from Western medicine. I worked in the emergency room. You can give a binder for people. Yeah. That's it. I'm like, okay, so now I got to do a micro dose of a binder and the heavy metals weight them down. So now I need to go find something that helps remove heavy metals. I'm like talking about this eight, nine hours a day with people and it just became to a point where it was a lot and it was expensive. And then I started digging into transparency with these companies. I want to know why you're using caramel coloring. I want to know how you're soaking your herbs. I want to know what your lab looks like and they would not give me the answer. Yeah. Because I think, you know, you, to your point, people are trying to put this together themselves. Yes. And when they do that, it's so much work to figure out where to get the right ingredients and the quality. And that's true with the entire supplement industry. It's just a lot of work. And especially for something like this, where there's not a lot actually in the mainstream medical talk about parasites and worms. And so people don't know really where to go to get information. And it's just kind of a miss, in my opinion, on a lot of things. And it's so simple. I made it so simple because I needed my husband to do it. So it's three tinctures and a binder. You take it three times a day, 15 drops. You can put it in water, juice, tea, and you just like a supplement. I just wanted it simple. And how long is the protocol for? 30 days to start. And we recommend three to four times a year. And we're for kids where ages three and up were one of the few companies I know that make parasite cleanses that are for children. OK, so you just take, you said five drops of each? 15 drops of each. 15 drops of each. Three times a day. Breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And then you bind at night and our binder is called Cinnabon because it has Ceylon cinnamon and coconut activated charcoal. And it's your binder. Got it. Binders are negatively charged. And so it's like a magnet. It doesn't really know the difference between what to bind. So it just binds everything. Right. And so how does someone feel when they're taking this stuff? Do they feel anything different? Do their stools change or do you start feeling better? All of it. Yeah. I think a lot of people that have never done this before, specifically when I did it, I felt terrible at the beginning and I did it two weeks prior to Jeremy. And so he's looking at me and he's like, I don't want to do that. Like she's looking and feeling rough. I'm like, yeah, because it's like killing things in your body. And I wasn't doing it right. Probably the first three months of my cleansing was really tough. We had them coming out of our skin. I went viral because they came out of my skin and my urine. And so I talked about that. How does it look like when it comes out of your skin? They look like little zits. Oh, really? Yeah. I had a really bad infestation of threadworms. Oh, wow. And they just come right on out. They they're trying to escape and you're not really capturing and binding them to push them out correctly. And your body doesn't really know what to do. It's trying to protect you. And so they're going to come out however they want to come out. And that's why it's so important to do it right. And I think that that's one big reason why the wellness community is like, you have to do it right or it could hurt you. It's not necessarily going to hurt you like you're going to have long term effects, but it's going to not feel good. You're going to get headaches. You're going to get constipated. Some people have like massive diarrhea. That's what the binder is so good for is when you do swing over to that side where your body is just pushing it out as fast as it can. The binder will help solidify that. I've had so many people do the kit and they've come back and said that their IBS and IBD are gone, that they just feel like regular every day. And it really does help calm your body down after you get out of the thick of the 30 days. And it's not always the full 30 days. It's usually the first week within three days. I know, oh man, I better do this a little bit longer because I feel, I feel crappy. Yeah. So the worms, they eliminate through your skin, through your stool and even in your urine, like pretty much everywhere you detoxify from this, where they're going to be coming out. Yes. Any exit point that you have, they can. And I had schistomyosin, which is inside of your bladder and in your reproductive. And the research that I've done is actually a huge indication of an unneeded hysterectomy when you have that parasite. It is from freshwater. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy that this is such an under talked about problem. And yeah, I applaud you for bringing this to people's. Thanks. People's light. Now, what are some of the medications that are prescribed for this? Like I know, you know, when in my traditional Western medical training, when someone has worms and you find it in a stool sample, you give them like mbendazole or something like that. Right. So talk about the prescription medications. Well, I'm a big believer in it. I do think that when you have a infection to this extent that you should rotate, this isn't medical advice, but this is what I did for myself and my husband to make sure that we could come out of the, we did this for a year straight. So I believe that you need to do some synthetics. That's what we call them in our community is synthetic. So Ivermectin, fendendazole, men, men, bendazole, Alina, which I think is the brand name. And so I believe you need to do that. However, some of those frequencies within those medications only treat a few of the issues while looking at other issues that could be uncovered because they all live together in a biofilm. And Western medicine is not prescribing binders, nor a biofilm breaker, which we actually use Lungwort Lichen, which is an herb that is in metal flush to break the biofilm. You have to expose them. So using the synthetics, that's great. It's only going to go in, in my opinion, and get low hanging fruit. So you really got to get in there. And once you start this, you got to keep going. So I do 30 days, and then I'll do the five days of however, my doctor prescribes the synthetics to me. And then I come right behind again and I do more herbs because the herbs are going to get down in a different way than those synthetics dig. And I mean, I've proven that what I've done is work because it's, I'm so much healthier. Yeah. So I do believe we need them. And, you know, for the average person, if they go to their doctor and say, you know, I think I might have worms and I need some prescription for Ivermectin, I would say, you know, more than 50% of doctors would probably be like, what are you talking about? Totally. So how does the average person get a prescription for these? Well, we go on cruises. We've gone to Mexico. We've gone, we've gone other places. I would say that it's really not even about the doctor. It's the insurance. So we, we had proven labs that showed we had parasites and then insurance would not cover Jeremy's. And it was like $999 for six pills. And then I went through another 21 day regimen last year because I had something come out and it was wild. And like my doctor's like, oh gosh, Kim. And so it was $24,000. What? Yeah. Oh yeah. $24,000 for the Ivermectin. $24,000 for 21 pills. Mm-hmm. That's crazy. It was prezical. So it really is kind of a crazy thought that my doctor said, this is what I think is wrong with Kim. And then Sharon said, yeah, you're not right. We're not going to cover that. So then it took me three months to get my insurance to cover it because I didn't have a positive stool. And so they're all intertwined. And I know that because I used to work with insurance and I wrote medical insurance and billing coding books. And so I fully understand how they're all in the same world. And I want to give people a different opportunity to see if this could be what is going on with them. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, you know, insurance is going to deny so many medications that are expensive. And so even if you prove it to them, it's just so frustrating. Hi, Dr. Shah here. I want to take a minute to talk to you about cellular health. So in my clinics, I've actually seen 30 year old people with cells that look like they're pushing retirement. And I've also seen 60 year olds with cells that look like they're 40 years old. So what's the difference? It's really about how fast their telomeres are breaking down. Your cells, you see, are like phones and they have limited cell phone battery. Poor sleep, stress, processed foods, and so on. Poor sleep, stress, processed foods, all of these things can drain that battery way faster than it should. So this is the reason why I partnered with IMA. IMA powers that cellular battery. It's not just another multivitamin. 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If you go to drshaw.com slash IMA or go to IMA health.com slash discount slash Dr. Shah and you can get 20% off with my discount code Dr. Shah. You can also find the link below. How much does the prescription cost? Like if you go to Mexico and you're buying it from a Mexican pharmacy? $7. And it usually it's a three day regimen, two pills a day. So it's around six pills. And those six pills in the United States cost $1,000. And it's from the same company that makes the pill. Right. So it's not even like a different company or a generic version. It's actually the same company. That's correct. It's just crazy. It is really well. Yeah. It's so sad. I think at one point when I was going through all of this because I really love Western medicine. I really love learning about the human body. I loved teaching about it. It was one of my favorite careers was being a professor and running colleges. And and so when all this happened, you know, I went through a little bit of a grieving process because you're like, how could, how could I have invested 20 years of my life and have this be such a huge thing that like my colleagues kind of threw me aside when they found out what I was doing and who I was. They were really embarrassed. I had some of them block me and I'm like, really? Guys, I'm just trying to teach people about their body. They blocked you. Oh, yeah. That's so crazy. It was crazy. I do have a few that were naysayers actually cleanse and have some worms come out and they texted me and said, Kim and I go, I know it's wild. Yeah, it is. I mean, I don't think anyone really looks for them. So it's hard for people to know whether or not they have them, right? Yeah. Until you become more aware. And so there's tons of pictures all over the internet, social media, what it looks like when you're, you know, actually getting rid of worms and you find them there very easily. Yeah, thanks. Because of me, I like I totally take them all. I probably look at like 30. I probably looked at like 30,000. Yeah, we actually have a book and I identified around four or five thousand inside of that book. So if you see something inside of your stool, you can go over to RogerSid.com and download the book and you can go, oh, that looks very similar to roundworm. And there are three types of cleansers. There's the flushers where they just go and flush. There's the lookers and then they flush and then there's the people that dig. And those diggers are the ones that get me those pictures. The diggers are the best. They'll literally get in there with chopsticks. I mean, it's wild. It's wild. I have videos like I never thought that this was going to be. Oh, my God, that's crazy. Yeah, I have a hard time sending in even just sending a stool sample and never mind doing that. How many different kind of worms are there? Thousands. Thousands. Yeah, there's thousands that can be in the human body. So and really, I guess not to say it doesn't matter, but the type of worm doesn't really affect the treatment, right? It depends. So, yes, it can be the type of worm will switch your actual treatment. So we're like a Z-Pack, right? We're going to go in and we're going to help treat the inflammation, break the biofilm and the mucus down. We're going to help move out the heavy metals, which are weighting them down. So it kind of releases the parasite when you remove the heavy metals, then you got to go in and target them. So it's like this shock and awe effect. And so, but if you know exactly which one you have, then you can bring in a synthetic and it'll target because, you know, everything's just a frequency, right? So it's the frequency of like when an opera singer sings and she shatters the glass with her voice, her voice got to that frequency. So all I did was figure out what the ailment is and what herbs should be brought in for that frequency. And that's what medicine does to synthetic driven medication does. So you wouldn't take Benbendazole if you had a tapeworm, right? But if you take Benbendazole and you have a tapeworm, it's going to help get rid of some of the other worms that are associated with the tapeworm, but it might not necessarily attack the tapeworm's nervous system, which is what's hijacked your nervous system, which is where the frequencies and the thoughts can be controlled within your body. Like toxoplasmosis gondi. That's another one where it's a mind controlling parasite. Yeah. And so when you talk about affecting your nervous system, how does a worm actually do that? It attack well on the microscopic side of it, it just like attaches itself inside and then it'll just ride it. I don't know how else to explain it. Like a nerve? Yeah, it can attack itself. It can, you know, because the nervous system, we all think it's just a system, but it's actually like real and it's a physical thing within our body. And it can actually hang on to that. Same with our lymphatic system. They're in our lymphatic system. So people like my best friend who blows them out her nose periodically is because they're in her lymphatic system. And so she's constantly flushing her lymphatic system out. I see. Yeah. And so for people that are struggling with, I think about like the regular patient that comes to me and, you know, they, a lot of times people come and they've seen every doctor and they're struggling with symptoms that they can't get rid of. They're getting worse. We always check on for like mold and lime and heavy metals and other toxins. We send stool tests out for microbiome, but they don't really check for worms. Right. But I wonder if there's a way to just check everyone for this. There should be. There should be, right? That's really what I'm working on. Yeah. Once we get the things with Roger's hood like handled, my goal is to actually do some medical reform so that we have options for people that have parasites, mold and lime in our world, that we can go and actually get tested, reliable, accurate, affordable testing. Like it's really out of a lot of people's hands. Affordability. I interviewed someone who started a company called Mold Co. A few weeks ago. Do you know about this company? No. Yeah. They've done such a good job of making mold testing, both for your body and also for your home. Nice. And then the treatment as well. Easily accessible, simple. You should look it up as very similar to what you're doing. Yeah. That's cool. I will. I'll go look them up because it's really a cool thing to be a part of this. I know I'm pioneering something here and our community and this team and like everything we're all doing. I'm so honored to be a part of it and just sit here with you. It's such an honor to sit here and some of the greats that I've gotten to podcast with. I just feel like we're missing something just a little bit, right? We're giving all these supplements, but they're not fully being absorbed because there's something in the people's gut or in their blood and their tissue that's not allowing them to absorb everything. And that's what was going on with me. I was doing all the right things before I parasite cleanse, but I still wasn't at an optimal health level for everything I was doing. And I'm like, why, why not? And here are three days later after I take some wormwood and some Oregon grape root and some garlic, like I'm pooping worms. And they're like, oh, that's exactly what's going on with my body. So no matter what I was doing, it didn't really matter because they were just stealing my life force from me. Right. And so it's really important for people to know that this is simple. This is easy. This is something that we should be doing. I mean, we eat sushi like I mean, I was eating it a couple of times a week, you know? And it's known to be in there. Yeah. But isn't it like, aren't you supposed to like freeze the fish before you eat it? And they're supposed to kill the worms, right? I mean, a 46,000 year old worm woke up from the permafrost in Russia and started eating and birthing babies. So I don't think freezing is always like that reliable. The reliable way. Now, boiling it, that's the most reliable. You're killing anything that could potentially be inside of your animal, but then you're not able then to eat raw, right? Because some people just love that. And so it's just the closer the cut to the belly of the fish is going to have more worms and that comes straight from the Seattle Pike fishermen because I've interviewed them and they're like, yeah, all fish have worms. And I'm like, listen, society doesn't realize that all fish and seafood have worms. So it might be knowledge to you guys because you see it all day, but that's not really common knowledge for the general population. No, I mean, that's kind of hidden from the general population. That would definitely affect fish cells. Yes. I'm surprised salmon cells have not come to me and been like, I'm surprised Costco has come to me because I rag on them. They have the worst salmon. Really? Oh yeah, it's terrible. Well, they buy just a mass production of salmon and then it sits and they freeze it, but freezing always doesn't work. Wow. So what kind of salmon do you think is the best to buy if you want to eat salmon? I mean, I miss salmon. Salmon's my favorite. I really did. Yeah, I just can't get past it. It just has the highest amount of worms in it. Yeah, it has the highest amount of worms. Halibut's pretty pretty up there too. The bottom feeder type of fish, like the garbage fish is kind of what they call them in the fishermen world. They're like, those are the garbage fish. And I'm like, listen, everyone loves them. So I just got to keep showing them on my videos. I feel like that helps a lot to see like videos of me sitting there going, look, they're legit is worms. It's not just some random chick on the internet being like, listen, I can't make this up. You can actually see them. You can see them moving. But also to your point, like a lot of parasites, you cannot see them. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I had Cryptosporidium Parvium, which is parvo, which kills puppies. And I caught it from the water because I lived in the outskirts of a rainforest in Washington and it's their signs everywhere. But I didn't ever put two and two together either. And even up there when I got diagnosed, they're like, what do you mean you have parvo? And I'm like, listen, it's everywhere here. No. And we just don't realize it. We just don't think about those things. Right. Right. Well, I really appreciate you bringing this to the forefront for people and giving them a solution with your kit. And so now you're making this yourself. So these are the highest quality ingredients, I assume, in here. Yes. And how can someone purchase this? Well, you can get it on rogershood.com. That's amazing. Well, I'm so glad you did this. And thank you so much for coming on the podcast to talk about this important topic. Where can people learn more from you? What's your TikTok candle? You can find me Mrs. Rogers dot hood on Instagram, which I have. Oh, I might hit 400,000. So I'm really excited about that. And then on TikTok is Mrs. Rogers hood, no dot. And then you can also find my podcast, What's Eating You with the letter U. So we've done a podcast so I can go into more of a long form talking about all the different modalities, like what's at your facility next to those things have changed my life. Really? Yes. Oh, red light, cryo, cold plunging. Like all of these things are so good when you have lime and mold. They help snuff H bot, H bot game changer for me. Yes. As soon as I got into that H bot, it snuffs that lime out. It snuffs the mold from continuing to colonize in my body. So yeah, really great. Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for joining me today. Can't wait to get this out there to the public and I can't wait to try it. I'm just going to try it. Yeah, I'm excited for you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Here are my top five takeaways from that episode with Kim Rogers. Number one, normal labs don't mean nothing is wrong. Parasites mold and lime are notoriously under tested for and often missed on standard panels. Symptoms can be real and very disruptive, even when blood work says you're fine. Number two, parasites can impact more than just your digestion. Common signs include bloating, IBS, teeth grinding, insomnia, fatigue, brain fog, irritability and hormone disruption. They can influence the nervous system and even alter your cravings. Number three, the conversation about parasites is often dismissed in conventional medicine. Testing is limited and often unreliable. Insurance rarely covers the treatment. And parasites are often labeled as a rare condition, despite being very common globally and frequently treated preventatively in many other countries. Number four, foundations matter before cleansing. Jumping into aggressive detox protocols without supporting drainage pathways, gut integrity and nutrients can backfire. A phase supportive approach is key to avoiding overwhelm. And number five, self advocacy is essential. Whether parasites are the root cause or part of a bigger picture, persistent symptoms deserve investigation. Gut health isn't just about digestion. It's about energy, mood, hormones and reclaiming how you feel in your own body. Thank you so much for listening to the podcast today. 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