Brett Berk

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He writes for vanity fair Esquire All kinds of different very important print publications and as we learn on this episode also Super yacht weekly or monthly or the magazine where people buy yachts in it's Brett Burke on the smoke entire podcast Like I can't take vacations during the month of September and October because it's just like all the new cars are out I yeah all of the of the year tests all that bullshit. Yeah, and like They don't plan that shit early enough right me so I just I have to leave the months open It's like same for you right kind of I mean it just depends, you know Yeah, I mean I never really think about No things being busy or not busy like certain times a year I guess are busier than others But I want a really long time before observing that I shouldn't do 18 years before I was like, hey, you know Busy I get a little crazy if we start right start taking vacations. Yeah, that makes sense I never really put it together. Maybe I yeah, maybe I should track these things more carefully No, but you do the thing don't you do the thing where you go? You plan for like being somewhere for three months and just line up all the press cars For like six weeks right now. This is the end of my time So give me your six car lineup, okay this year good cuz you write about you write for rich people Week one Was Mercedes E 53 AMG wagon. Oh That's probably lovely. It was really really nice 53 is a real sweetheart. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Like yeah, like yeah, and like, you know 40 50 miles of electric range or something. Yeah, I like it in okay, then McLaren Artura Cabrio or whatever spider. Yeah, yeah, lovely Lamborghini Temerario. That's a good time. Yeah, that was fun Which is of course sprung a coolant leak and was oh, no, it's smoking the entire way down there down the edge Like pointing at me like your cars on fire Steaming it was steaming yeah, but it looked like it was on fire Someone once thought my coontosh was on fire, but it was steaming Rarications when it wasn't on fire right? Yes, there's my ancient Still still still off Instagram since the Oh, it's a placeholder. I'm still I still exist as a person of someone wants to find you know Yeah, it's been great actually yeah, that's how come I don't know what anyone's doing use any social media Mm-hmm. Oh, I've got off entirely social media position. Yeah, it's kind of exciting Yeah, it's great. I live my life entirely incognito like no one knows where I am or what I'm doing But you also have an attention span. Yeah Quite I'm already quite Efficient and productive because I write for a million outlets and have a lot of work to do all the time But yeah now I like finish up finish up my work sooner and I can do other things that I'm interested Wait, let's go back to my area because I have no attention span I still have My phone yeah, I do know I don't know but I but I do still exist on Instagram and you have to yeah That's your job. I don't exist on Twitter anymore. Oh, yeah, I got rid of that Deleted that and deleted all my tweets had all the tweets retroactively deleted. Yeah I think I got there was a period of time when I got kicked off of one of those for some reason I couldn't log back in it was like an old email account. I had to start over and then I was like fuck this But okay, so okay, I'm Mario Dodici Chilindri spider Then After I think I had a RS3 new RS3 and M2 Oh, wow, okay, right at the same time and now you drove up here in a Bentley I had a specter before specter black badge Luxurious six weeks that's pretty good lineup. Yeah, I'm a high quality Automotive lineup. Yeah, the whole the whole time. I mean these are obviously very different cars, but totally Yeah, give me give me a one love and one hate for each of those cars Okay, he's wagon Mercedes wagon three hybrid Let's see. I mean, it's a great all-arounder like you can do anything. Yeah, right It's quick. It's luxurious. It's not it's not flashy I Missed the v8, you know sure so maybe that's a negative It's like the four. Yeah. Yeah, I drove the the the C 53 Cabrio, which is a on the sly Awesome car. Oh, okay something most people probably wouldn't can think about yeah when going hey actually like what's a pretty awesome car that? Nobody would think about yeah, the one I drove was a hundred thousand bucks right loaded. Yeah every option imaginable C 53 and not a hybrid right so it's that slick six on all the times. Yeah, 400 in whatever horsepower Lovely. Yeah, yeah Okay, okay What's not good about it? I'm kind of missed the sound of the VA sure right? Yes, of course Let's see. What's that? A million times. Okay new shit. Oh, yeah, Temarario. I mean Yeah, it goes yeah, it looks great. It revs so high Super fun to drive up on Angeles Crust and you know me I'm not very strong driver, but every so often I take a car up there. It's a hero maker. Yeah, Temarario is a hero maker car A medium-grade driver can go real fucking fast in that thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's really easy really easy to go Exactly and so that's the kind of car that's good for me How nice is the jump from a hurricane to Temarario? Ergonomics yeah space. Yeah, so much more room in there and see yeah, it's awesome Yeah, I thought a road trip in that. Yeah, I thought it was very comfortable And yeah, you could put stuff in it Of course, it you know had a little issue with some sort of leak so that was spraying or spraying clouds of steam You know I put it in EV mode at the end and that's it that's It is a rice cooker right it was you know, it's a challenge when something goes wrong up there Cuz yeah, there's no reception Do you have do you fucked with the iPhone satellite texting? Oh, I forgot about that. That's what that's what that's the game Yeah, now you get a flat up there or something just call text triple a from up there with the iPhone satellite That's true. I do have that feature everyone at good vibes walking around You should you should try it okay, I'll try that out okay, I'll try that out I was like regular texting to you know, not for emergency. Okay. Yeah, I'm like, I don't want to use this No, no, no, no like the first little minute it was for emergencies only okay, and now you can use it all the time It just like rips through your battery That's like seeking out yeah star link or something like that Apparently the difference between I can communicate with towers and I can communicate with satellites is like juice Oh Alright Takes away all your batteries. Okay. That's good to know the 12c. We drove that as well. Oh, yeah You love the 12c. I loved that car. Yeah, I think that's probably my favorite of the whole run this time I hadn't driven it in a Where were we like Luxembourg or lichtenstein on the on the on the launch? But it was the regular Berlinetta or whatever as it was a spider. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was fantastic It's so I mean it's you know, it's crazy the proportions of it are crazy Yeah, like the length of the hood and all that kind of stuff and then it's like not that big inside Yeah, there's not that much room inside of it at all And it's like not much trunk. Yeah, the trunk is small because the top goes to back there or something like that, right? But yeah You know feels much no does not feel small in the Trader Joe's parking lot for sure You're like well I'm already at the barricade. Wow. Yeah, I'm way back here Still traffic you get that carbon splitter and you have a curb stop. Oh boy yikes. Yeah, it's but uh, but you know I know like a windy road or whatever like Yeah, yeah, really really a great car. Although if I'm honest, yeah, I think I think I like the 812 better Oh, really? I think I just like they drive pretty much the same. Yeah, I feel like the The 12-seater dodici chilindria whatever you want to call it is more is more my my speed for some of the 812 felt too aggressive It is I'm always looking for a car that I can like wear an ass Scott or imagine myself in an ass Got in a captain's hat for sure and I feel like that You should have got the Morgan plus four you could have asked God at the fuck I tried I tried to get them to bring me one because Wherever it is if they keep it in long beach or you guys So I was like it's a schlep, you know like I have to like have a separate car or someone get me Give me a ride out there. It's like you guys can bring me one. Maybe like oh, yeah, we'll look into that and that was you know It's not that expensive to have us deliver the car we do it all the time. Yeah, that's what I figure That's not your fault I was just you said escottin Right exactly straight at Morgan that is a flat cap escort looking kind of thing. I'm staring at that thing. I thought it's great Yeah, I would like to drive it. So hopefully now it's a BMW a little bit right. That's right. Yeah, and Ford one. No, I don't think I drove that one. It was a riot. Yeah, it was great fun Yeah, I had such a great time with it Zach and his wife went like full costume Yeah, I had the little you know newsy cap on the vest and stuff. She got kind of dressed up like You know pin-up style with lipstick and went for a fun drive And that's that car is great for six tents and lots of smiles. Yeah, and people like seeing it They wave to you exactly. Yeah, it's like a yeah, it's like a factory rest-o-mod essentially people People have absolutely no clue. Yeah here it is. No that could be a Someone might say the same thing about the people at Morgan, right? To their to their credit, I guess right. I love Morgan. They're just they're the fuck yeah 12c was awesome, but the one I drove was the red one. Did you have the red one? No? I had the like the kind of olive green. That's the one Johnny had yeah, yeah mine started with a six Oh, yeah sticker and Look There I will pay an enormous premium for a naturally aspirated v12 Really really big one. Yeah But a front-engine Ferrari the price tag starting with a six maybe a little adjustable lumbar Yeah, can we get a can we get a lumbar in this motherfucker? Yeah for 600 G's and maybe something too If you're wearing shorts protect your knee from those speaker grills, but you're like a cheese grater You know I was like I've got little little skin left on my knee. Oh, what was it? It was it had to have been my Corvette guys taking a break for our friends. 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I think it was my C5 Corvette that had speaker grills That were so cheese-gradery and I had the car for so long that like and I you know obviously would wear short over the 18 years like and like a Like a stain from my skin Metal speaker girl was like the size and angle like Larry Kassel video like how to clean skin off a car Speaker girls literally like that tool they use when you're getting a pedicure. It's just that yeah, but it's all bows on it totally true What was after the oh? I had the RS 3 and those are a good time Yeah, yeah, probably feels like a real downgrade after the Ferrari, but I mean yeah in some ways But also like you know easy easy to get around exactly much easier to park a trader Joe's for both of them And then I had the specters the opposite of that specter is opposite I know it's like driving it like a you cut like a two-door you come you have to yell Tacking every time you make a right exactly which was it painted an insane color. It was like a kind of crazy kind of Caribbean blue kind of well, I do like I do like that. Yeah metallic Caribbean blue. That's a good time Yeah, with some black gloss wheels. I was like these wheels are batshit. I'm like no they actually look like bats Why I'm trying to take a shit Fucking I hate I kind of hated the specter until the very last day. I had it I didn't hate it. I just like a gas Rolls Royce is so smooth already Yeah, then as much as an electric Rolls Royce makes obvious sense It's such an incremental change in refinement But the car has to be like because we have a we have two wraiths that live here Yeah, saw you park it next to a wraith and you go. Oh, wow this rate is awfully tidy you know and But then the last day I was going home coming home from something late at night and I put all the windows down It was like a warm night coming down the highway from Hollywood. Yeah, and I was like blasting something at full fucking volume Yeah, and like I had like the shooting star ceiling going and I was like Yeah, like I could I could Press people for this. Yeah, it's it's I think it's I mean I I love the idea of electric rolls you know, I just think it makes makes perfect sense and I was talking to that actually to the chair of rolls this morning because I'm doing a story for the times about their current product strategy, you know, they're expanding Expanding Goodwood significantly. Hmm, but not expanding production. They're just expanding like the Spokery Which is you know and a device for extracting maximum profit from there from their from their clients so I Maybe by the time this show goes out to the public the I just wrote my column from road and track this month about My opinion that income and equality is kind of ruining cars Yeah, and it's not ruining cars just because rich people are buying shit. Yeah, that is that's a thing But also it's it's when automakers Realized that like yo, there's like 1500. There's like 3,500 billionaires in the world Yeah, let's say half of them are quote car enthusiasts. That's generous, but let's call it half 1500 7000 people 700 families When you're pivoting an entire business model to service that few people globally with corporation that size And it's not like Rolls Royce ever made cars for everybody but like when you're when your regular customers are like You know not being invested in for these very small and it's happening at Aston Martin It's happening at Ferrari Lamborghini and Lamp, you know Ferrari just bonused out their workers And because they made so much profit, but but they made it on light on fewer cars. Yeah, it's so like You know When all them companies start to chase this very small number of people to just buy everything Yeah, everyone else even though normally rich Yeah, no, it's a really interesting point and you know, that's It's a money grab obviously right like this is where the money is right now and you know the horror of it for the foreseeable future Opens in even more bespoke. It's like this company. Yeah, I know This is what's going on. Yeah, where a fucking you know a special version of a sharon The tech noir jack-off edition isn't enough anymore You know you can't have the special version of a car we make a hundred a year of Instead there's this new division. Yeah, and we only make three right or one Exactly and then they're like yeah, and yeah, I was talking to an analyst for a story about just this I think it was for road and track actually. Maybe it was for car and drive. I can't remember But yeah numbers issue of road and track we just came out with That sounds number never it might have been whatever it was It was just numbers issue of right track on you stand. Yeah, but yeah It was essentially like you know profit on on that segment is like 50 to 80 percent or something like that So it's like why would they why would they they're just you know, they realize like oh we can we can extract another You know one to two to three hundred thousand dollars per transaction per client like they've started a patreon I Holders need maximum value like I get it. No, I'm not saying it's good It's just it's crazy to me that like for for 1500 families globally There are more choices in seven figure Vehicles right now then there are in like five figure enthusiast cars. Yeah, what the fuck is that about like that's crazy No, I just want to discourage You know, it's like it's like I get it But it's also like sort of morally objectionable to change your business model to that. Yes, I agree and yeah And you know, obviously this is driving up everything right like there's very few affordable vehicles for people Who need cars and most Americans do and don't worry Bezos will solve it. Oh, yeah I trust that guy. He's got your best. Yeah. Yeah, he's always thinking about me He's always thinking about others that's what he said He does yeah, so these guys are all the best But like when I was driving the specter I found unlike any other car you drive the craziest car You can imagine when people like what the fuck is that how fast to go blah blah the specter? What do you do for a living? How'd you get that money? That's what everybody was asking me when I wow that's interesting. They're not happening to you Guys taking a break from the action because support is coming in it fast like Jim Farley the CEO of Ford Who's now got a podcast and you're always asking me what I'm listening to when not recording this show and right now It's this the new season of drive with Jim Farley in it The Ford CEO talks to some of his favorite people about what they're driving and what drives them to succeed like formula one driver Daniel Ricardo listen There's a well-worn trope about Racing drivers not being interesting to listen to but if there is one that is Interesting to listen to it is Daniel Ricardo I think this guy's takes on stuff and life are great and look Jim is a racing driver also I personally raced against him like two months ago and for me a CEO that drives race cars on the weekends is about the pinnacle of CEOdom when it comes to car companies so the two of them together Obviously have a lot of things to discuss on drive with Jim Farley, which you can get on your podcast app Very easy to find drive with Jim Farley. Check it out People were asking is that electric like when I'm parked at a charger with it plugged in Yes Otherwise are you just a rich person taking a spot? Yeah exactly? I know that's what I was thinking I was like well. I want to make sure everyone sees me plugging this in yeah It's not mine Funny dude, I saw a guy with a fucking event Did I try a guy parked an event adore at an electrify America charger the one in Malibu right behind? where the like the lobster place over there and I saw a cop yelling at this guy and he was trying to tell the cop No, it's a hybrid and he's like show me the charging port. Yes the charging port Obviously, it didn't have one right. Oh, it's in the trunk and I just walked by I yelled they don't make that a hybrid Throw them under the bus Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and then I just got the this Bentley Continental GT convertible as you I got downstairs. I like this is lovely But it says a zoo on it. Yeah, which is a revival of the name. It's a package or so of some sort right cool wheels Yeah, it's got cool wheels cool top cool top really nice color. It looks like it's black But it's a real dark metallic green. Yeah, it's Hampton's a real Hampton's a pretty dark green and cream colored interior It's got piano cream like instead of piano black so you can touch it all you want it That is the piano cream Right, oh, that's what it's called. I have to look on the spec sheet my favorite Bentley dash materials the granite One with granite. Yeah, that shit's crazy. I love the idea of stoning cars It's probably like what the fuck did they figure this out? Yeah, what happens if your head impacts the side? I don't know it looks fabulous. Yeah. Yeah some of it is But there were some car where they had it like backlit like it was like really thinly sliced and some sort of stone and it was backlit Maybe it was maybe there's something rolls that's that sounds like rolls. Yeah, that's crazy That's like when you when you go to like a Like a spa spa and they have like the wall made of salt rock. Yeah, exactly Yeah, there's salt. Yeah, exactly Freddy got a salt rock wall in his in his house. He built us. It's like that's a thing people do Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to heal your ions or something. Yeah, and you can lick it Exactly, yeah, I think that I think Rob did get a salt grinder margarita glass in there, right? That would be yeah, right. I Wonder if there's a way to do that. I don't know you're probably not supposed to be drinking in the sauna I don't think right. It's probably not not awesome. It helps with the schvitz. It helps with the schvitz so all right In this in this insane, you know lineup of cars, you're having we parking them on the street Yeah, everybody near in your Airbnb in my area be yeah, and so really so really okay, and the so there's you know And the neighbors are they being they've been inquisitive the neighbors are somewhat inquisitive This is our fifth year in the same spot so they've gotten a little bit accustomed but there's a there's a family lives across the street and The woman had the family of like three kids Maybe two boys and a girl or two girls and a boy whatever it is the girls sell Girl Scout cookies So we always arrive around this time of year So I ran into the mom and I was getting some Girl Scout cookies from her and she was like oh You guys are here the boys have been looking up and down the street for the past few weeks to see if you're coming because they know You come during cookie season So you take them for rides. I've offered but you know From those I think yeah, I know exactly this kid this guy's got cookies Like now we've gotten in that van before you're like no no, I'm an auto-drillers right yeah exactly But yeah, no the and the yeah the neighbors are sort of like I mean when I had I had the M2 in the RS3 at the same time One of the neighbors was walking by he's like are these both yours and I was like yeah, you know this week Yeah, and he's like well I had a first-gen RS3 and I'm thinking about getting a new one like but I'm also cross shopping the M2 Which would you like better we had like a whole conversation about you know, it's part of the job right? Yeah, of course Yeah, you have to be that guy yeah, I every time I have any new electric vehicle There's an older woman who lives up the street for me that drives like a real old model s that she got new yeah And so anytime I have anything electric she like within ten minutes of me parking House to get to mine Yeah Is that the R1s and she got snow everything yeah everything about it. Yeah, it's funny. It is funny Yeah, the one of the neighbors asked he was like do people look at you funny when you drive around in these cars I was like a middle-aged Jewish guy driving a fancy car Los Angeles isn't that weird You know and he was like what about here in Silver Lake? I was like yeah, you know they look they Sneer but I can tell that they love it. It's funny when you drive cars like that around this town or New York or Miami Versus like a lot of other places. Yeah, it's like the you know you drive a Carrera in Ohio Yeah, people are like rock stars that you know here versus you know whatever that was like us That was like us on the boat in like this boat that we rented You know, it's like a million dollar boat, right? And like holy shit. There's a million dollar boat, but there's like ten thousand No, this is the Ford tour Some boats that were like 200 foot yacht yeah with tender boats and all this crazy stuff. It was wild same parking lot right Yeah, when you watch a mega yacht roll up, yeah, you know open It's like thing like the space shuttle and like drop out Yeah, like a huge boat that's like twice as big as the boat you've been living on yeah 46 foot, you know like ribbed boat that like Navy Seals use and they're using to like go to dinner on shore I would used to write for this magazine called showboats international at the fuck out here I did that's living. I did their car column for years. You're on the cars for showboat Yeah, I'm gonna say you wrote about boats. No, I've done a little bit of boat riding here in there But not that much but um, yeah, they had we did some feature one time. It was about like The kinds of cars that you would have on your super yacht like to drive around the boat like to I think you need like a go-kart. Yeah, I know showboats Yeah, sure is a real airport favorite. Yeah, I was gonna say it's a real airport reward paradigm for people It's got yeah, it's got like, you know thousands of pages of like, you know 910 figure What size car would fit on a boat and real to drive around a boat? You'd need a boat that's they had like, you know people would have like a jolly or electric jolly Yeah, yeah, exactly little yeah a little like electric thing. I can't remember there was another there was another vehicle, right? Yes, Jim, I'd like to have like an earnest goes to camp three-wheeled golf cart. Yeah, like the late 70s Yes, that would be appropriate with a with a Rolls-Royce grill. You need the Do you remember the guy from Venice when I was living in Venice like my neighbor he was buddies with Nino There's just this guy. He was about our age real meathead He looked good big fucking guy, you know pointy beard of that okay. Yeah, and he rolled around he got he got like a 70s Rolls-Royce golf cart, okay, and Upgraded the power train to be something a little better, but it was a golf. It was a full-on 70s So on the roof it had tassels. Yeah the whole way And this dude just rolled it around Venice like it was his car Regular registration parked that motherfucker wherever he felt like yeah, nobody cared the hops let him do whatever Josh You see him roll with like three four girls on that thing it was it was a good time for him Yeah, I guess they have those laws now right where you can have like one of you can license some of those Vehicle yeah, you can drive them on roads 35 miles an hour and less right so like all of Manhattan Beach or all of like Santa Monica and shit Yeah, yeah, yeah That's what the electric Manx is eventually going to be right when if that comes to fruition or is it I think it will I just think it's it's more like building a car than it is like building a golf cart Yeah, because like despite those laws there They intend to sell them in places that don't have those laws and you can it's gonna be a thing that can go 80 miles an hour Right, it's gonna be restricted where legally required, but like they're building like mostly a whole car So so it's just like hard Didn't you buy a mix? Yeah, I have the I have the airplane engine right which is just the greatest thing ever you should drive it Yeah, I would like to so long how much longer you here mmm. I leave on next Monday You have time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, you should drive it. Okay. It's the it's the best thing Your rich people will like it. Yeah, people like it. Yeah. No, it's amazing. It's amazing It's the bits by far the coolest thing I've driven in a long time. Well, that's exciting Yeah, sometimes we got to make it real weird, right? You and I mean once you've tried everything else Yeah, what's what's left airplane engine fucking do Have you had it out on the sand and stuff no mine set up for road driving Okay, mine's like a they is they call it the tarmac height So it's it's got independent reservoir shocks all this good stuff, but it's it's lower Yeah, it's on like regular road tires. Okay And is that license to drive wherever you want or is that one of these like 35 miles an hour? No, it's some gasoline-powered manxes are all Classic beetle rest of us. Yeah, it's a 71 beetle. So no emissions. No anything. Yeah, it's on a Cali black tag It's proper. Yeah, I don't pay taxes on that motherfucker Here no we're going when it was full California. I got the license plate radial. Oh, it's awesome. Yeah, it's really That was available. I guess yeah all the for a plane So anyway, yeah, you you must drive it okay when you have Written about boats have you done it from experience or have you just seen a spec sheet and a release most of the time It's something like that and then I'm not really a big boat person I did go on a like a cruise on the biggest boat the biggest cruise ship in the world Disease we called it Was it the Gary Steingart piece about that? Yeah, I'd swipe you but exactly so fucking funny. He did a story about that a little It was all like it was called like crying or something. Yeah, it was really it was quite sad experience I would I like to say yeah, I brought my my my partner with me on there and he and I We were like we came back and people are like what was it like and we were like it was terrible But we had a great time. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, if you're just there to observe the garbage, yeah, then there's joy in that Yeah, it's kind of never anyone there to laugh with exactly. That's why Gary was so sad That's how they're with me and we were just like, you know, we started drinking as soon as we got up and We didn't talk to anyone else and so I think that was the way to do it. Oh, he tried. Yeah, he tried interacting No, I'm not there to make friends. I'm not in most places to make friends Certainly not on a cruise. Well, if you're stuck on one by yourself, you really have no choice. I guess that's just like a setup for sadness Well, our our good friend Christian hand who is, you know, fucking amazing at what he does You know does his like music breakdowns. He's he now he just went on the I love the 80s Cruise and I love the 90s cruise to work to do to do shows And he said like the shows were amazing and a cruise ship full of people who love music is the best possible Version of a cruise ship. Yeah, you know, but he said he's like when I was on stage doing the gigs like 400 Seat room great audio engaged audience like loved it. He's like Then I was on a cruise He's like and they tried to throw me like a bone like I only had to do a gig every other day And he's like, can I do seven gigs a day? Busy I'm not like standing around here this all day long and he showed me his like Apple Healthy and he walked 20,000 steps a day Yeah, that was almost like a quarter mile long or something like that and 20 stories tall I mean it was there's like 10 they could sleep 10,000 people or something like that We saw even small cruise ships on our like little boat. Yeah, and we're just like fucking. Oh god No, it's like a skyscraper turn on its side or something. They're gigantic. I understand why people love it. Yeah Just can't do it. No, it's not it's not really for me every time I get on a boat Actually, I feel like I'm someone's captive and I feel like that's what people who have boats want you to feel like Because of the implication. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why I Why if you're on the boat right you work for me Yeah, exactly. Is that how you felt back when you're on the boat with Matt? I mean a little bit in a good way. I was like, I don't know how to sail Yeah, and you know how to sail so I will learn from there are a couple things that need That need doing yeah on the boat, right? You know, it's a team. It's usually like anchoring mooring things like that Yeah, like yeah plus the implication No, except for the other five people on the boat. Yeah, and you know the drugs all right, right if you keep them if you keep them down here Sorry that turned dark, okay Let's go to the people we've got a lot of questions from the folks over at patreon And let's see what they have to say patreon.com slash the smoke entire podcast is where you get or done You can get the show live you can get the show early you can ask questions of the show you can get the show without ads you can get extra show and You can support the show that you were already prepared to do all of those other things for am I right patreon.com slash the smoke entire podcast Do oh, can you just made those small can you make them big again? No, the other there we go. Oh, not that big goddamn it. Okay Bad PPI eight says oh, there's a sort of an informal competition for like filthy usernames. Oh, I think prepared What amg do you buy for under forty thousand that makes the right sounds and power first and foremost? But with good styling and decent handling Oh Seven C63 Yes, something with that naturally aspirated V8. Yeah, what's it? What's a 63? That most people wouldn't think of That would have good like yeah, but in C63 is the obvious one, right? Yeah I mean they put that motor pretty much everything. Yeah, they put it in the wagon, right? Yeah, I mean duty decent handling like if you want you probably get an ml 63 for fucking Yeah, like if you if you're willing to go SUV on this bitch You can you can get with a 63 and it that'll sound the business for good I mean upshift speed is pretty quick in these things downshift not so much but for 40 could you get a CLS? I bet you get like a 2013 CLS 63 those will have turbos to be one. Yeah, CLS 63 twin turbos Rentec tune that thing to 900 horsepower I Yeah, something like that. I mean you can get an 07 CLS 63 for 13 grand. Oh, yes. All right. We're talking 180,000 miles on it 40k you probably an SL 63 Shocking like you could probably like it's like an 18 or 17 SL 63, right? That's probably true Do these CLS's are cheap cheap cheap. Oh my god A few years ago, but like dude here at 2017 for 45 grand That is a lot. Hell. Yeah 577 horsepower twin turbo all-wheel drive. Let's go That's a that sounds like a Value proposition seems like it. Yeah. Yeah, it's sometimes surprising how inexpensive 10 year old 15 year old Cars that were crazy Six figure cars can be I kind of like it. Yeah Make me nervous to own though. Do you know how many we me and my wife like, you know, like punch buggy Yeah, you know the game punch buggy. Yeah, my wife and I have a game that we play pretty much just within the confines of our neighborhood That's blown out bags and it's when we see an Older say Chassis yeah, yeah, I think dragging on one side and it's there for you know, there's like gold grass growing around and it's very clearly We'll get around to fix that Soon decade, you know, and then it just returns to earth Front-wheel drive NSX says as somebody drives a lot for work Is there a fix to bad drivers beyond expansion and promotion of public transit? Of course there are education Yeah, these things work enhanced driver education is probably not a bad idea. We're pretty yeah Retesting maybe at a certain age. Yeah, I mean if we're gonna be driving into our later years like exactly not against that shit Yeah, I just worked on a big story for the AARP, which is one of my regular outlets about Trying to figure out, you know, what what to do if you're thinking about getting rid of your car like how to be proactive and and Forward thinking about that and yeah, there's a lot of stuff that they strange it was interesting like the I talked to the head of the New York State office on the aging and Their Stated strategy is really like we want to keep old people in their cars as long as possible Like they don't they don't drive that much. They don't drive at night. They're safe They're the safest category of drivers, of course if they do have accidents Die at much higher rates because sure more fragile, but essentially like is that are those other bits true? Yeah, okay. Yeah, well sure. I I don't disagree that if they're physically capable and can see like I'm not against it They're like Retesting is not the worst And yeah, the ones that can't yeah, like no, I drove with my grandmother toward the end of her life She was still driving up until she was like 98 or 99 and she was like I don't understand why these people are always Looking at me in this roundabout She's like drives through and it's like just cuts off. Yeah, just My grandma got it did get a new car at like I think 99. Oh wow Yeah, and like it was like it was maybe lease grandma It was not an expensive car But but she had her other her car before that was a she had purchased it knew a cat a Cadillac Katera Hmm and the caddy that zigs did it zigged and I was sort of hoping This was maybe 2015 I was gonna come to you she would give it to me Yeah, and we could turn into a race like a like a lemon's car or a champ car or something like that And I think she ended up just trading it on like whatever shitty Corolla She ended up getting who even knows what happened to that car, but I was sort of grandma. There's a thing called lemons, right? Let me teach you about this, but yeah, she was driving up until I guess almost a hundred But like you know a mile yeah, it was much more about I don't want to be trapped Exactly and actually a real man. That's the this you know the studies are showing that like the social isolation That comes with you know not having that independence or the loss of independence that comes without having a vehicle is you know Yeah Tim a says is there room in the Aston Martin lineup for an entry level mid-engine supercar Would it outsell the current advantage at the 250 to 350 price bracket? I mean having talked a lot about and with Executives at Aston Martin. I mean they kind of tried that with the with the vantage You know maybe ten years ago, right like you could get those kind of a stripper vantage GT Do you remember this that was like 99 K or something like that sure? And I mean I think that company has enough trouble staying in business You know with with large profit margins on more expensive vehicles, which has been their intent to like drive drive up the the transaction price So I mean from a like would that be great if there was a you know entry level quote unquote Aston Martin? Sure, that might be fun But like is it a viable thing for them as a business? I think especially probably not I mean they have the tub technology now Yeah, it means like well mate. It's possible, but that price point would compete with like Fully option vantage or like the vanquish right is around 300 well so what I've heard is the vantage is going away Or sometime around 2030 and not being replaced. Hmm. They're just going further up scale Well, I think the thinking was the DB 12 is very similar to the vantage and they could overlap You know and and they want to move that transaction So by getting rid of the $200,000 car and introducing a 1.2 million dollar car the Valhalla, right? That will do it. They also got rid of the base DB X now the 707 is the base and they've got the s Above that which you should drive if you have I have yeah, I like the DB X I love the degree great great car I wouldn't surprise me at all because they got the McLaren guy there So he knows how business works you go P1 and 720 all the other ones. I couldn't maybe see a Five or six hundred thousand dollar mid-engine car that would be Around the performance of the vanquish But with the engine in the middle I could see that more than I would ask the marn's not making now They're not interested in affordable cars. Yeah, that's a bad move for them. I yeah Yeah, the Porsche hatchback that I you know the platform shared GTI that I want Porsche to build is like never You know Christian says oh boy here we go is there a big difference between auto makers using cameras versus LiDAR Why is it just Tesla using cameras and they get so much praise for auto pilot? Okay, there's a few different things. Yeah, right. It's not camera versus LiDAR It's camera versus camera and LiDAR. Yeah, and radar. Yeah, and so You've got Tesla which is camera only and you've got pretty much everyone else Which is what they call sensor complete, right? And why is it just Tesla using cameras because it's cheaper And and they get so much praise for autopilot. I mean because that's a media problem Yeah, and a Tesla fan person Right well and also when you have a financial reinforcement from being an occult and repeating their message That's it Look cameras Cameras can work pretty well on the highway in the right conditions Yeah, and cameras can work pretty well in the city with good software in the right conditions, but it's like when they fail There isn't a backup and then you have a crash and when they get confused in something like a Waymo There are other sensor suites that go what is that do we see it too and and you have a much safer product Not perfect. Yeah, but much safer. So Have you ridden Waymo's much? I have a few times. Do you enjoy them? I don't dislike it like I thought I would dislike it more Uh-huh. I feel like they do a pretty good job like they do a pretty good job of driving They drive pretty well. Yeah, they drive well I was in one and it like it went through a couple yellow lights. I was like, okay, way a mile I think the last six months they've turned up the aggression a little bit I think they were a little too passive and they dialed they dial it up just a little I think some of it comes with just you know more and more miles and more and more experience I mean, I'm not you know I'm not like a huge fan of the whole thing necessarily from a systemic point of view but I understand the use case and You know, we've got a I guess they're Taking this technology out for spin, right? Well, look at least it's a commercial product Yeah, that's running a commercial insurance policy at the very fucking least. Yeah, the very least there is a company Evil as they may be yeah Google That's backing this it's not here's the technology. It's gonna do this thing 99% perfect and then it's not you fucking fault right Like come on yeah, that's crazy shit. Yeah And so I but also way most have very fun limitations. They they'll drop you in weird places They can you know, it's they could come like I did when I first took them They were only like on the surface streets and like in this in the valley, you know I mean the flat parts of the city now they're up in the hills and stuff like that I see them on the highway. Yeah freeway. They added freeways like maybe maybe six months ago Yeah, but they're they grow the map. They can't do the airport pickup Right, right airport is yeah airport is it is a mess. No, they'll they'll launch lax around the same time they launch Riyadh I just worked on a story for playboy, which apparently still exists. Yeah. Yeah relaunched relaunched And he's not still there. No, he's not okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't he didn't that that part ended But we did a story kind of peg to Waymo's about the history of sex in cars And sort of this idea that you would think that You know, this would be a new Sort of golden age for sex in cars because there's no driver and no one no one to see blacked out windows and stuff But of course, it's Google so there's tons of surveillance, of course in the vehicles And more or less titillating than having a human yeah I think for some people more and for some people less although, you know, waymo is like yeah, we We monitor the footage and like if people don't you know abide our safety and cleanliness standards Not only will they be banned from the app? But we will can turn those if they do anything that's illegal will turn those records over to law enforcement So what league like Lee where we draw the line? Yeah, I mean you signed that you signed the Yeah, the agreement or whatever right when you clicked yes on the also if the footage is really good We you know share around the office Dungeons and Datsons says I've been listening to several AI experts on the diary of a CEO podcast one aspect That most seem to agree on is the middle class and upper middle class white collar jobs are gonna be affected first and worst medical Accounting etc. If this is the case how much of an effect might it have on the sports car market since these would be the ones that typically purchasing the ones Exactly where we just were the fucking Automakers are targeting billionaires because they see this Coming what's coming right not necessarily because they see this specifically coming, but they're just going we could build 5,000 cars yeah for 200 grand each or we could build 500 cars for two million each and have the same amount of money and those 500 people would be easier to please than these 5,000 people and we wouldn't have to do certain regulations And we wouldn't have to do this and wouldn't have to do this blah blah blah They're just doing it. Yeah, they don't they don't need an AI kick I Know but I think it would like I just looked up Porsche last year sold about 20,911's and 718 soap sports cars, so You know this if this happened and got rid of a lot of white collar people off their jobs I think you'd see a huge shrink in the new sports car market But also the used market would follow fall a lot because anyone who was like oh, I got money I can buy yeah, and Air-cooled car like they're gonna have to let that go. Yeah, we see a lot of things fall in price Yeah, if you thought your Carrera s was an investment Yeah, yeah, that's good it do move your money to Dubai right that's like real financial freedom super safe there right now Yeah, why don't you what let's buy a second home in Dubai? It's like it's a good. No brainer I The road is my expense the cost of my desire very good After 25 years as a preschool director who throws a more impressive Tantra I should have read the second half before the first that a 23 year old who missed that nap their nap or a luxury supercar owner who found a scratch on their bespoke leather interior Oh, I'm gonna say a three. Yeah, I don't think most people are that big of a weenie now I we I in my company we accidentally Scratch someone's interior. Yeah, like you know how it happens dude right rivets on your jeans The rivet on your jeans if you don't give that steering wheel or the bolster a little room Yeah, so I had to pay to fix a guy's steering wheel I mean I had to pay to fix it. Yeah, like he wasn't you know, right super mad like that shit happens Yeah, most people it's a fix that today. Do they smooth it out grind it down or something? I mean that's that is the way you would do it if you don't want to literally replace the entire steering wheel Yeah, fortunately this customer did not ask us to do so. Yeah Wait wait Matt you influencing son of a bitch With respects to Mrs. Farrah. She's a lovely person. Okay. I had to go out and buy a pen I didn't need a pen and my writing looks like unwiped asshole But I got a pilot fountain pen and I don't feel like the feel very much Is there something else I should try before diving first into another useless hobby? Wait, this is a fountain pen question. There's this a failed reference to something else Influenced this person I think to be into pens I mean it doesn't actually like it that if you don't like fountain pens You don't need to go down the road of fountain by the way You should watch the last two minutes of the Daily Show from Monday where John shows footage of Trump discussing fountain pens Oh, no Is he actually like a savant on fountain pens that would be a really interesting thing to learn I mean he's into it He's talking about how they write and the cost of them and and of course He said what the cost about the material and how he doesn't want to be holding one that feels like this or that It's hmm now only writes in sure be cabinet meeting so he like you should got back on So it was the rambling of someone who could yeah, it's a madman. Why are bracelets made of they're shining in such a Yeah, they're springing metal there my grandmother's no fucking man. These are awesome. These are really great They're like they're like slinky bracelets. Yeah, this is very risky with my Syrian arm hair. Yeah, same Oh It's a little pinchy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but fuck is that cool. Thank you. Those are your grandma's yeah Wow grandma's awesome grandma had some good stuff grandma's awesome. Oh Man, I gotta give a shout out to my boy Adam his grandpa just is 94 years old and just sold restaurant Depot for $29 billion well started restaurant Depot in 1976 that friend Adam not this yeah, it's that friend that that friend Adam You know I went to the guy I went to high school with like just he's just a dude Like he's just a he's just a dude But like you know his grandpa always was the guy who started restaurant Depot, but like he just sold that shit and like whoa Wow, whoa Fountain pens I don't know dude if you don't like a Pilot fountain pen is a very cheapy fountain pen like you might if you really care like go get yourself a Lami LAMY that's like a $30 fountain pen and like that's much nicer than a $5 pilot fountain pen And it and if you don't like it then then bail cut the cord cut the cord bail Maybe try a gel writer pen. There's a bunch of dope pens that aren't fountain pens Yeah, every you know you get it do you have a million pens now? No, okay? I don't but I did I Do like fountain pens a little bit because of how little I have to press yeah They're so light and we went to this I'll show you afterwards. We went I went my wife like finds this shit. We went to the California pen show. Oh, wow Which is a thing you should see yeah I love any anything like that where people are like obsessive and not like they're not like trying to kill me Yeah, that's not what they're very deep deep level of nerdery about this kind of stuff Yeah, I love yeah, and I just like if I see something maybe okay, so I got one What most people would call an expensive pen, but it didn't it didn't scratch the surface Yeah, I'm where you can't go right as well at the California fucking pen or whatever fucking Trump is right He's probably ready. He's probably got a Mont Blanc. It's probably not even not even not even a little bit bad. Yeah Matt Matt's wait, holy shit Billy I Matt's something something to Rick. I'm sorry. I can't whatever that's supposed to be a military vehicle again Okay, fine Question for all three of you best bang. What is a great bang for the buck car related experience? You recommend listeners to try to do slash have slash achieve. That's a good one. Yeah affordable car related experiences I Often suggest the Lane Motor Museum in Nashville Is the best guy right is the best is the nicest shit. Yes. I've driven like dozens of cars from there I drove the the propeller car Yeah, I can't remember what that's called. It's just an airplane without wings. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a thing for a taxi Yeah sketch. Yeah, very sketchy But yeah, some like my so many weird micro cars so many weird like French cars so many weird Italian cars like such weird stuff Nissan has its archive, you know a heritage collection in the basement Like all the cars run like he's has the strangest, you know, strangest taste Finds the weirdest stuff. Yeah, so I feel like you know Nashville is not that far from most places easy to get to drive Good roads around there exactly I mean driving, you know driving the smoky mountains tail of the dry There's like there's a dozen road trips, but like I'm yeah, I don't think that's what you want like we talk about this every single year But you can have a full week of excitement at car week Without spending a dime outside of whatever your hotel accommodations cost Yeah, there's so much free shit to do and to see during car free or very cheap Yeah, you know you can get into RM auctions with a $25 spectator ticket like that's what I mean, but yeah And just standing on the road, you know, they mean like you'll see You'll be sick of seeing the world will come to you happened upon Pagani Street last year I think this year we're gonna do the Woodward Dream Cruise. Oh wow haven't done in a while I have never gotten you know, I'm from Detroit originally and we went like 15 years ago God was it fun? Yeah, it was great. It would be fun And I think maybe they're separate weeks this year or something right? I think they pushed pebble back or forth with one week. No, I have to double check Yeah, I look into that August. Yeah, but I've been talking to Ford Okay, about do I have one idea that is something I've been really wanting to do that they said they might be able to make happen It's a very personal thing. I don't want to say yeah, okay I'll tell you but but I also said like hey man Nobody from LA gives a fuck about car week if I came out there got a big house. I was like what do you got right? Well, you know what what go ask go ask Jim. What can I drive? Right, you know like what can I go cruise in and he was like, all right? I will get back to you We got something. Yeah, so I mean they have a heritage collection. Oh, yeah I got some dope shit. Yeah, but like there's dudes like You never go at car week. You never hear the word contraption, right? Yeah, but it's like hey that there's a boat driving down the right Dream cruise is like it's like the purge for non-street legal vehicles And you can drive a new one is street legal nobody gives a fuck Well, and one of the you know one of the things about growing up in Michigan in general is you know the the state Regulations are so behold into the auto companies. It's like, you know, there's no inspections. You don't need a front license plate You know, there's no inspection at all And so you will see like the shittiest cars you have ever seen in the world going down the road You know things that people build where you're like, I don't know where that start or what this dude was thinking But like it's probably a Pontiac Grand Prix Chassan I got a secret for your kid. It's always a Grand Prix under there That's your tow truck is It's the largest heaviest dump truck in the world. It's like a mighty truck. Exactly. Yeah, those those wheels those tires are like Three stories Batteries come from these children Working in this oh Federal Spigator love it. Did you see this story the read the EPA approved 15% ethanol content and gasoline They want to let people water down to the gas Well, and an important thing to add is that the EPA doesn't usually do they usually ban this in the summer Yeah, because of the evaporation to do the higher temperatures and they're making an exception So that's like the thing. Okay in theory to ease the price of gas, right? From what I read maybe don't start senseless wars But apparently they're gonna label it 88 octane Okay, you don't want the 50 you don't you shouldn't get the 88 octane if you don't want Well, good depending on your car like it could cause problems with seals or with detonation It depends it you know could have a lot of effects on your vehicle But yeah, so don't try to avoid it if I would say yeah, yeah, I will if I can find ethanol free for the older cars Yeah for it. Yeah, so like you're and you're down a lot with higher ethanol So the price may be lower, but you might actually burn more depends on how you have of course. Yeah LL Cartier, can you scroll down please Zach? Does Alpina do anything to improve the reliability or the base vehicles or do they just compound the complexities? I've thought about getting a depreciated sedan as a sometimes daily, but scared of BMWs. I mean that's an interesting question Really sure Alpina have you ever been there? No, I haven't been there. I've written about them and I have interviewed executives and stuff like that Andy Bovenceepin. Yeah, he was he's the man. Yeah, he's not he's now moved on He's got his own little thing because they were acquired by BMW I went there though and Andy toured me around God was he the coolest it was the coolest place now They did a lot more than I thought they did. Yeah, you know I thought the engines were just tuned but they were doing they were doing pistons. They were doing they were casting their own Air to water intercoolers and stuff. Yeah, they did a lot Yeah, they do a lot like both like it's it's about I guess more like about like high-speed Comfort and driving than it is about all out performance. Yeah, Andy said the cars are designed for people to do 40,000 kilometers a year Yeah, which is I get that totally but like They're starting with brand new cars So like what what are they gonna do to improve the reliability of the base vehicles there? They they put in supporting modifications to handle the horsepower and and the those types of increases, but like Yeah, what else are they gonna do? I mean I say unless it's in a press release where they go. Hey, we identify that this Water impeller fans sucks from the factory and we make a different one. That was a big problem 90s just as an example Yeah, but I would say unless it's in their press release They probably just take the engine and they turn the boost and they fiddle with this a little bit and then they dress it up Yeah, I mean our buddy Vinnie bought a 2011 Alpina B7 with like I don't know a hundred thousand miles on it Yeah, I did that like 11,000 bucks and it burned oil. Yeah But aside from and and to fix the oil burning problem, he got an estimate that was like $12,000 And they were like Check the oil once a week Yeah, you know it really only burned oil like if it was sitting for a long time It wasn't all the time and so for like a year He just fucking drove it. Yeah, and other than that it was like fine And so what are you willing to put up with? Yeah, exactly could get lucky you could get on like a vinegar Yeah, you got pretty lucky. Yeah. Yeah, I think they're really nice. I like what they do to their Find and like they drive great. Yeah. Yeah Dude Andy picked me up at the airport in Munich and between I think it was Munich That's the nearest airport to there I think yeah, you Nick or stood guard, but I think it was me and he personally picked me up at the airport and Hit 200 miles an hour on the way back And then he and then you know we go and then he goes because this will be your car for the week Right. We had just done to the mother that'll be fine. Yeah, that works for me. Yeah Tell me Robinson 57 and oh says What are some cars and y'all experience that are one fatal flaw from excellent? For example the Audi RS5 cut the rev short before the fun started. Oh, I I wouldn't have said that one The RCF with intrusive nannies that was the least of the RCF problems Single clutch the LFA is gearbox. Although I'd still take it. Yeah, but I'd still be bombed every time one fatal flaw I mean almost all of these hypercars that use that single clutch extract gear backs gearbox That's 296 has all the capacitive haptic e things but I said that they will now retrofit Yeah, so I was just gonna say the Ferrari student. Yeah, they've they've got they've worked that out It's not in the new it's cool. I can back date it with exactly they're like we're starting with like the most recent cars I'm we're going backwards from there. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I mean, I'm glad that they that they admitted that that was sure that that sucked After six years of people bitching Okay, you're right. All right, we re-amortized this now. We're gonna say it's we're moving on to something sure One it's hard one fatal flaw from excellence. Hmm. I Mean I think there's a lot of vehicles that have like this drives me crazy And I'm sure you guys have talked about this before on the show like the vent control the ventilation controls in the screen I've screened vent control. This is not for this is not good Oh, yeah, and then someone was like I brought this up to a manufacturer like why are you adjusting your vents so much? Have you been outside? I do exactly like sometimes the Sun shining through and you want that? It's like Why are you having a coffee while driving your car Brad? That's crazy. That's none of your business right like it shouldn't be this hard That's unbelievable I love that Mark Ferrar the tired smoker says I wait okay I heard it high-end you UK car dealer claimed that the only two collector cars where the coop was worth more than the identical convertible Is the SL 300 so it would be the only wing the 50s one and the SLS going I? Do not agree with that assessment at all I think most late model 9-11's the coop is gonna be worth more than the convertible corvettes Corvettes absolutely on the second-hand market Yeah, I think in most cases yeah, I mean there could be I mean I mean if maybe if you're talking about like I don't know muscle cars And they only made some small number right convertibles with the huge engine pack or something and so rarity comes into play I think that's the thing like you have to go with rarity has to be a component if it's just You know equal production numbers. I'm sure the coupes are worth more money just based on the cars we've listed Yeah, oftentimes certainly there's ones where spiders are worth more money as well Yeah, almost anything with a carbon tub for instance the spider will always be worth more money But like most 9-11's yeah coupes hold their value better than that makes sense and convertibles. Yeah Hmm. All right interesting. I wouldn't I wouldn't listen to that UK dealer. She only wanted me for my turn in I've been listening to you guys talk cars for ten years now. Thank you the Valhalla review got me thinking How long does a car keep your excitement after the first go? What generally happens oh so like I will say that there's a it's not necessarily like How long but it's like did you drive it in? Context of a group test or by itself. Yeah press launches are designed to make the car look really good Yeah, exactly a good road. Yeah a complimentary racetrack, you know other cars aren't there right? Yeah, no one else around You're driving yeah, have you ever really changed your mind from an individual drive to a group test you've participated That's a really good question. I'm trying to think of a good example. I definitely have Where like I drove a car At you know at launch or something like that and I was like, I'm not sure about this thing And then I had it on my own for a little while and and I'm trying to remember like a specific example right now Where I was just like I'm just not feeling this car I'll have to think about it. I've had a few cars where I thought they were pretty good by themselves And then I did it in a in a performance car the year test and I was like, oh god with all this other stuff I got the other way around. Yeah, no go. Yep And sometimes that was a pretty quick I drove a car and then a week later did performance car the year Yeah, shit. I can I rewrite? Fuck I know that's one of the benefits that they have of getting us to write these things quickly after we drive the vehicle No, but all but the context of a group test is like man, you can't replace that right. That's the shit Wheat City Night Court said if you owned and Brett if you owned and road trip to Ferrari Lamborghini or Aston Would you pack your things in the corresponding fitted luggage or is a car logo on your suitcase to go? Good question. Good question. I've I would totally go for the luggage I would go for it. I think it's like it's custom designed to fit in the vehicle. Usually it's pretty nice It is yeah, that's it sells them bring a trailer like 15 G exactly So I'm not opposed to the I'm not opposed to the luggage if there's any in the car. I usually steal it If you wanted to really be a boss though, yeah, you'd take the luggage to your guy, right? And you'd have something stitched over exactly My own monogram on there right yeah the double B I did dude. I had a guy I Had a guy chase me the fuck down at a car show and it was hot as hell outside And this dude was wearing a full suit, which I thought was so weird Yeah, and he said you have to see my new singer and you know, okay He goes I've got it just got it yet 9-11 reimagined Yes, I'm gonna imagine this product of the singer classic restorations division trademark. We are not affiliated with Porsche etc So I alright where it's any drives me and and okay, it's you know, it's a singer. We've seen them there Yeah, it's lovely, but then he goes I had them make The this this luggage and he like folds the seat and he actually did have to make this crazy like nine piece set of It was crazy and I was like, oh my god, and I later asked I saw mass and I was like dude. I met the guy with the fitted luggage. Yeah, like And I was like how much was the luggage he's like 250 Luggage for one one one set made from nothing. It's not the design is that you're gonna sell people. Yeah Yeah, one set made Jesus Wow, that's crazy Yeah, I don't think I would like if it were up to me and I'm buying the luggage I don't think I'd pay 230k no extra luggage, but I don't they tell me I don't think it costs that much in the Something tells me no no no certainly not but something tells me singers customers are like yeah some other fucking planet The guy wearing the suit at the cars and coffee. Yeah was like whatever planet that guy's out. I don't fucking know and attention seeker Yeah, I think USS Henter Fies. It's pretty fun From a chassis perspective are the 86 is the best you can get for under a hundred K brand new before buying a Cayman I think close to it. Yeah, that's really I had one of those recently and I had driven one on the launch And I'd driven one since then you know And it was fun as hell great. I mean it was so much fun Great, just like I'd forgotten how much fun that that was they had a manual like it was just a such a fun light car easily easy to easy to move To move a place. Yeah, you're driving it on a yacht around. I was driving on a yacht I was just drifting on a yacht the whole time that was a new record for lapping the SS USS enter throughout enter size. I mean it's a great car, but a hundred K's a lot of money Yeah, so it includes shit like the Dark horse the M2 the Nismo Z. Oh, yeah, the Supras. Yeah, I mean the GR Corolla I mean the so there's I think it I think he said chassis I'd still say this is the best I because I drove I drove the new one at Sonoma versus the GR Corolla and the Supra Supra's faster, but you get into this. It's it's the balance. It's the touch It's the the conversation you have all that shit makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense So sure, okay Brand new yeah Well Might I just throw in that you can get a Z 51 I was just gonna say Corvette under a hundred thousand bucks and I Don't know I think there's an argument to be made there there is that would be a good comparison. We have mid-engine V8 Yeah, that would be a good argument to be made. So if you actually have the hundo, you know Wider than the NASCAR racing line at Kota says I got to I got to see the American Motor Drome company and they put on amazing show. What the fuck is that? Oh, do they do? Are they doing like barrel riding like back in the day? Yes, no they are. Oh fun. What is your favorite kind of stunt driving slash riding? There was a year. Yeah before the 2018 fire where in Malibu The motorcycle riders that were riding the snake Got tired of their sport bikes and all bought baggers and started doing stunts up The snake on baggers like dragging pegs huge sparks and like big fucking wheelies on these huge baggers Wow, and honestly that was a good time. Yeah, they started doing bagger racing at Laguna The baggers right and what kind of came out of bikes are fast like they put down some serious times Has that circled back now do those manufacturers now sell fast baggers like? Something for the road that's based on their bagger race bike. This is now. This is the x6m is For us. Oh American Motor Drome AM AM DC wall of death. Yeah. Yeah, this is like some old school. Oh, wow Oh, I'd love to see this, you know Great Right, it's gotta be such a good time dude. No hands. This is board try this is this is like it's like racing was in Los Angeles in 1915 Where the Grove is a board track. It was in Beverly Hills Speedway. Oh cool. They travel with it There was there was something I read about this might have been a car and driver out of called ten years ago I think my friend Jared Gall wrote it and it was about this crazy You know mayhem race event that they would do I think somewhere in Michigan or in the Midwest where they would like Chain to school buses together And then like like put like a blank Like stainless like metal plate behind the back wheels of one of them or something so it's like throwing it Yeah, so the front one. Yeah Does not have brakes. Okay, the back one has brakes, okay? It's like throwing nunchucks into a crowd or something like that. Yeah, so it's change your ass figure a crazy That sounded like it would be fun to watch. Oh incredible. It's beyond some one of the best spectator sports ever used to do Skid plate racing at Erwin do yeah Erwin do Granny shift and not double clutching like you should Wait, did you buy a GT3 now? Maybe just thinking maybe something else. Yeah, no Yeah, oh Wait Mark for our the tired smoker says toss in a watch question here rec watches DNA series cool or not cool Can you pull that up? I'm not I don't know this I know the company Don't they make companies out of walk excuse me. Don't they make watches out of crashed cars? I'm pretty sure they make watches out of crashed cars. Huh? Yeah, so this is their thing they take the metal From crashed cars and then they make a watch out of it which like okay like that's a vibe Yeah, and they're not the watches themselves aren't super shouty about like what they're made of which is cool Is it just like melted down metal? I think so. Okay is yeah, or it might be good click on like I don't know the the bullator one of one of the other ones that we can little tiny piece of this like what's the part I don't know. Let's let's see. Where is it? Can you can you scroll? Can we see what part? It's made is made from it? It's a pure right. It's got to be the dial right sub a sub dial crafted from the repurposed brake disc Okay, so go back up Come back up. Let's see what the sub dial is that is scroll down Okay, so the top sub dial on this watch is made from a brake disc from this Porsche You can kind of see it. I mean look dude, the rest of the watch is made of watch, right? So I mean yeah I haven't heard any horror stories if the idea of having a small piece of whatever that car is makes you horny Then like go for it. Yeah, I like that. It's not super shouty the rest of the watch It's just a watch and the rest of it which I think If you're doing a car watch collab, you really got to tone the car Way as far down as wheels, right? The back of this watch did have a bbs looking Yeah, the fronts are you know, they're not it's not immediately obvious. So So, okay, cool. They're not really for me. I don't need my car watch collabs to be that tight But like if you're into it like, okay, cool, right? It doesn't look too bad It's got a swiss movement manual winding flyback chronograph like, okay All right. Yeah, but like this one is they made this watch from the coolant resourced coolant pipes Of a gt40 chassis p1001. So someone was throwing away the coolant pipe. Someone told someone this is definitely the coolant pipe and then they made a watch which not a bad look at watch but You know, like I can't see the coolant pipe in this. I can't I can't either but like dude, maybe that's for the best, you know It's it's honestly, it's a it's a it's a Swiss flyback chronograph with an integrated bracelet for 2500 bucks. That's not ugly. Yeah, so Points to them. Yeah, right if you're into the story could be worse. Yeah. Yeah, it's what we call a lecturer's watch Can I tell you about my watch? Yeah, please don't You'll have to come over and drive the manks. Yeah, try it's it's it's I mean there is no better Hamptons vehicle So you'll have to do other six weeks on the other side Anything you want to plug let's see working on a bunch of stuff recently. It's been a lot of fun. I just drove the new Jag Oh the actual jag. Yeah, I mean still still a still a you know a prototype or whatever, but Um, so that was kind of exciting. Did you just drive like an ev No, it actually had like a nice feel to it. You know what I mean? Like it had a different I don't know what they've done. I don't really understand it, but like It has that I mean it almost feels like and they they said they said this and they had some some of these heritage vehicles for us to test out to um Check out like a v12 Jags go like the 70s and 80s and it has a little bit of that feel to it where it's like there's always like More power so it's not like you flat out and you're like, you know, you break your neck But like it feels like you can keep going. You know, does it oh it looks it looks like that. Yeah Yeah, it was still zebra. You were paul neumann. That's me Is that you that from that angle you've got a very paul neumann vibe happening there. Yeah, I guess that's a good thing Yes, it is um, and we didn't have anything resembling a production interior No, it's all covered up in like magicians black. You know, uh felt Um, uh some elements of it. You could sort of see no no hard switches. Okay, no hard switch. That's although they'll have to change that Yeah, exactly. I'm like, let's hope that the future that jaguar imagines somehow comes to fruition Wouldn't it be a bummer if only billionaires got to have real switches on stuff? If like the only way to get a real switch and something was to have a bagani Yeah, well, I did a story about this recently. There was like, uh, analog is the new luxury essentially, right? That's talking about it exactly that that that's uh, that's where that's where automakers are seeing the demand Well, I mean nobody wants a evi hypercar for obvious reasons. Why would you when you can get a tesla or lucid that's like also fast? Uh, and yeah, it's the oh look at that photo and uh and and the um, yeah analog and and tactile and Exactly engagement. It's record players and like us and fucking, you know pour over coffee and watches and it's the same as all that Shit. Yeah, if you're rich you can feel things. Yeah, exactly the rest of us are stuck. The rest of us have the virtual version Yeah What else yeah, yeah, sure good to see you good to see you too. Um, where can people find your writing digitally just your newsletter? Yeah, just uh, uh, bret burke.com. That's it. Yeah Yeah, I go to my go to my site and has everything there uh hit on It should just be the man. I'm up the man who abandoned social media successfully. Exactly It looks like there's a few things that are missing from here I gotta update. I've got to update that's a few that's from a couple weeks ago on the other side But I don't do you not want to plug that one the the muck rack one. Oh, yeah muck rack is just like uh, yeah Yeah, that works also bret burke on muck rack a lot everything recent. Yeah, there's everything there, right? Yeah Story about That was a fun one. We'll do one good colors. Yeah, we should get them. Yeah agreed. There was a fun story we did for Uh with vanity fair with lebron James about his new my buck. That was a couple weeks ago Uh, yeah, I don't know. That's all over there, right? Did you interview lebron from those my buck? Yeah Was and and is there something particularly special about this my buck? I mean, you know, it's a highly customized My buck he's they made a second one that he's auctioning off for his charity. Cool, which is pretty nice his garage. This photos are in this Uh That is a really good question. We were not I was not in person with him for this story But um, yeah, the one one hilarious story that he told is that you know his first supercar He bought a Gallardo and um, he must have been pretty young right because he started playing when he was just a kid Yeah, uh professionally and um, he said he bought the car and then he realized he doesn't he didn't know how to drive a manual And we bought a stick Gallardo. Well good for him. Which is great But then he bought another car like a cheaper car with a manual to learn Oh, I bought a beater. Yeah Oh, wow How to drive a manual before he drove his Gallardo. I don't want to blow up his spot Yeah, in a way, but a guy a vendor that we use here at the shop also works for him. Okay, and A couple of cars have just shown up at this vendor shop And they're like cool. They're there. They're there. It's a cool car. Yeah, but a fairly shit example And he'll go oh well, that's that's for LeBron and I'll go What the fuck and and I'll go why is he buying a shit example? Yeah, he could buy the best example And he's like, you know, you don't you don't really get it He's so rich. He doesn't even take the time to look for other examples He just sees some shit right. He's like clicks clicks buy and then it just shows up here and I'm told to do You know, whatever and he doesn't care what it costs to fix it. Get it right. He's on the one right Here's the one I bought right. Yeah fix it up. And so I've been like wow like He clearly has good taste. Yeah, but like somebody should be like hold on just wait a sec. Give me like Ten seconds right one of these it isn't a complete shit pile and we can do something here, you know That's very funny, but clearly he has he has good good taste in at least the right direction. Yeah. Yeah, yeah very cool We appreciate that. Yeah, very cool. Thanks for having me out. Thanks for coming Happy west coasting. Thank you. We'll tell you off it off with a magstrive before you go home Okay, I'll try to make that I'll try to make that happen if not I'll be playing for the next six weeks exactly six weeks block. Thank you Brett Burke get him at bret Burke.com. We'll see the rest of you guys next week. Bye