F1, Ford’s Future, and the Pope’s Explorer w/ Ford CEO Jim Farley

Welcome to Spikes Car Radio. We have a terrific show for you. I wanted to go through some of the stuff from last week just to uh Zuckerman has to issue a correction here over his alpha. I didn't quite know, I don't know alphas that well. Neither do I. But someone, I guess you said the alpha was a junior and it's not a junior. It's not okay. Because some who told you it was a junior? Some Alphiste. So first, when I first posted about the car, I called it a GTV, right, 1750 and somebody said, oh no, no, no, the Veloce's are only this kind of car, that kind of car, that kind of car is a junior and stupidly, I believe this guy. So he was just a rando? A rando and then so I figured this guy being an Alphiste as he as he termed himself knew better than me. But he didn't. No, he didn't. He didn't know better than me. It's okay. This is why I always say to stop talking to people on the internet. You got to stop. But I figured maybe I could have learned something. This is my first, you know, the first time I'm getting this car. Yeah, I was going to say for that is true. Right. But I had an alpha for two minutes, but before you, you're looking for little pieces of gold and information. Yes, I'm willing to learn. Generally, I'm willing to learn. But this guy, see this guy sold me out. This guy, this guy fucked me over. Why do you tell him? What do you say his name right now? I don't remember his name. And I think he was with good will. I don't think he was malicious. I think he was just misinformed. Misinformed. Well, pretty good. All right. Well, now we've got that out of the way. I don't want to spend too much time on this, but Jerry McGovern from Jaguar has announced he is indeed leaving Jaguar. Can you just catch up to this story? Hello, sir. Remember, remember they said he was fired and then Jaguar said, no, he's not. He's not leaving the company. He plans on staying. Well, no, now he's leaving again. I mean, if you somewhere teach PR out in the world of colleges or universities, this has to be the poster child for some of the worst PR handling I've ever seen in my life. This whole thing. This is a disaster that just continues to get sort of, they had just wait, they had been quiet for so like for what months now for two or three months, and it was working. The quiet was working. Just be quiet. Jerry, we love you, but you should have just sulked away and not said anything. Well, here we are again. It's not that he's the jet. He like, I don't, I don't really want to comment on it. He never designed a Jaguar. He was appointed the JLR design boss. So he got fucked? No, he just quit. He's like, you know, he's like old. He's done. He's retired. Doesn't look old in that picture. It's good hair dye. Yeah. It's like 70. I don't believe he exists. I believe this is AI. It is. Is he the same as Jaguar? It's just on a whole nother level. We're making fun of them and really they don't exist. No, they don't exist. They're like Fisker with the course. This is a fake person. There's no guy named Jerry McGovern who wears red velvet blazers with a black turtleneck. Look, it's fake. It's clearly fake. A friend of mine who works at Jag was like, he's like, you know, we spent like $200,000 making that video and we got $1 billion worth of promo out of it. Bad promo. Well, those things are bad PR. By comparison, we spent $50 on Jerry's red velvet blazer. It was a friend told from Friar Tux. He does dress like that. Friar Tux. And we got $10 billion of free press from Spikes Car Radio. So who's laughing now? Yes, we're going to revive the Friar Tux brand. I heard it from Friar Tux. I've got no problem with Friar Tux. I like those guys. Before we get too deep in the show, Jim Farley, the CEO of Ford is on. Here we are making fun of with Jerry McGovern. We'll have to ask Jim about Jerry McGovern. Get his take on this whole thing. Get his take on Friar Tux. But he has a new season of his podcast with, he always has the greatest guests in the world. Like I have pretty good guests, not today, but most shows. You mean not Jim. You guys. And not McFlyar and nor Friar Tux. And not that far away. I love who's on the show. It's always the people I just want to talk to. He's always got, you look at his lineup is always like Matthew McConaughey, Jimmy Fallon. He gets, he gets access. So I'm excited to find out who's going to be on this next season of the show. One other program note to mention. And I don't know. Oh, you can't see it right there in the background. There's an orange car right there. Oh, you're poking it. Stop poking my car. Oh, Jerry's car. Oh, that feels so cool. Zuckerman and I have decided to fund this car by selling this car. And here it is. We've alluded to it. You've maybe have seen it on the internet. It is our Zagato 356. And I know, big news. I know it hurts, everybody. I could have brought it to the studio today, but it's god damn it. It's hot. I didn't want to drive it. It's really hot. And I didn't have time. But it's, we feel like what's up. I mean, this is a, we have, we have this special car. We just found this next special car, right? This is okay. From inception, if you recall, we were flying down to Pebble Beach. No, we were going to, we were going to Scott, were we going to Pebble or Scottsdale with? We're going to Pebble. We're going to Pebble. And we were landing and I had been offered this car and this is passed on it. We didn't know what it was. And then we were reading the Portia Magazine and they had seven pages on it. And you said famously, buy that shit now. And I forgot famously, but that's 10 years, almost 10 years ago. So a decade of this car in our lives, which is a pretty long time and it's a wonderful car. One of nine from Segato. The only one we feel that's properly sorted. I think maybe Ben Climbers, I think he went through the process of properly sorting too. We had Will White go through this car. Right. This car is amazing. Super 90 engine, which is the original chassis and car that it was built on top of. I think I remember the call with Will Hoyt when he said he goes, why go to 90? Why not 125? I go, yeah, sure. Go ahead. 125 horsepower, 1800 pounds. It is the greatest gentleman racer you'll ever drive. I remember clearly. We pulled out of Cafe Lux, I was in my 93 C2, 964, which is no slouch. Yeah. You floored it out of there and I could not keep up. I was flooring it. I was going through the gears and this thing was going faster than that car, which I think at the time did 0 to 60 in about five seconds. Yeah, I'm about that. So this is going, you're in a what, 1700 pound car going 0 to 60 in four seconds. And plus it really, you know, I just remember the drive driving with Jerry and he's got his 550 and everybody's taking pictures of this. Yeah. Anyway, the first official car that of that Morris Solomon's is selling. People accuse us of not having a legitimate dealership. Well, here it is. Here it is. Don't accuse us. Don't accuse us, but you left the, you part with your money. There's the most important part. Okay. Zuckerman and I aren't handling the sale of this. Our lead salesman, Scott Rulo. That's right. Is handling it. Who's Scott Rulo? Who is Scott Rulo? Who is Scott Rulo? Right here is Scott's Instagram handle and you can DM him and ask him questions. And if there's anything he doesn't know about it, he's going to punt us and he'll handle it. Yes. He's done some unbelievable work. He's got a network of people that you would not believe and we're going wide with it. We decided, you know, you know, we love bring a trailer. We love these other sites. Sure. The supercar blondie wanted this car. Everybody wanted this car. Right. So Scott will handle all conversations and can I ask what the ballpark price range is? Again, for all questions. It's not inexpensive. This car. Oh, I imagine it's not. But it is not outrageous. But when you compare it to say a 4 cam or a 550, I mean, that's really what I noticed with this car is I'm driving with Jerry Seinfeld. He's in a very rare famous 550s fast people are taking pictures of our car. Yeah. And by the way, I've driven that 550 and you know, it's an amazing thing, but it doesn't drive like this. Yeah. It does not drive. This is drivable. What's the 550 worth these days? Seven, six million. No, no, it depends. But it would be some some millions. Millions. Yeah. And this one, I will comment, we did this one. This is the best looking one. We picked the right color aspect with it. You need to avoid the wheels, everything. Turnkey. Turnkey ready to go. I would recommend a better photo of it. But yeah. Well, we were going to wait. I like that picture. That was in Nobleman magazine. That was in Nobleman magazine. That was a nice that's a nice photo. It's got it's interesting to me. Anyway, yeah, we'll bring it. So said the art dealer. I don't particularly care for that photo. I had an art gallery. Okay, don't start gentlemen. Or I've had over 20 years of professional experience taking photos of fucking cars. What do I know? What do I know? What would I know? What would I know about anything? I don't know. I know you know nothing. Jim Farley from Ford is going to be on suit and he's a terrific guest. He's going to be telling us about his new podcast. Let's go to this first. I thought this was kind of interesting because it kind of falls into the comedy and cars category. That's us. That's us, right? Well, how about this? Kramer's Asman car in Seinfeld is actually a very rare experimental 73 Chevy Impala. Now, I know the car very well. We shot with this car a lot. And it was the one car that we used for Michael Richards character Kramer in the show. Do you guys know it was in the Fusilli Jerry? Kramer gets this car that's got this license plate by mistake that says Asman, but learns to embrace it when he realizes he can park in doctor spots around New York City. And they think he's a proctologist, right? Well, Kramer's actual car is literally one of the first cars ever produced with functional airbag. Yes. And only a thousand were made. An eagle eyed editor at Motor Trend. No way. Not Johnny Lieberman. Notice that interior shots of Kramer's car. I don't watch Seinfeld. Go ahead. Show the steering wheel is fairly unique, larger design with four spokes. The standard Impala had a 73 in 73, had a smaller two spoke design. This indicates that Kramer's car is fitted with an early version of an airbag called the air cushion restraint system. How? The ACRS was included. Here's the weird part, okay? The ACRS was included in about 1000 Impalas manufactured in 1973 as an experiment. They must have manufactured 700,000 in that year. They were only available to government fleet customers for testing. This one was one of the first times a major automaker attempted to include an airbag into a car. In 74, Chevy made ACRS an option in some of their other models, but discontinued ACRS the following year after it was installed only on 10,000 cars. Chevy would not put airbags in cars again until 88. That's right, Johnny. Airbags weren't even legally required in the U.S. until 98. Liebacoka had a whole bonus chapter in his biography, which was subsequently removed about how airbags will bankrupt Detroit. Oh, really? And then once it was mandated, he was like, Kramer's the first with airbags and all their products. Oh, wow. Look at that. Well, Kramer's car was there for a little more than a tricked-out standard Impala. Those models with ACRS also had reinforced chassis, improved suspension, and the same V8 that the Corvette had at the same time, Kramer's car. I want one now. Well, and they, you know, I wish I could shed some more light on how this car was acquired, but it was through just one of those television car, you know, companies that provided cars to us. But they, they guessed that this 73 Impala was probably sold at a government auction and the company that leases the cars for TV production swooped it on up. Well, a couple things. So there's lots of cases. I mean, they're all scrapped now, but like in the late 80s, early 90s of people not wearing their seatbelts that live through horrible accidents. Really? Because these airbags went off and they had no idea. They got the car, you know, somehow secondhand. Oh, really? That's interesting. Wow. But the thing is like, airbags today are smart. So they know that like at a 20 mile an hour deployment, deploy at this rate. The sensors, sensors are. This had no sensors. This is a shotgun shell. Yeah, this is a bag. Apparently, like this literally took your face off. It's kept you alive. Wow. But it was, and the airbag was like this big. And if you're listening, like my arms are fully outstretched. And it also was supposed to partially cover the passenger. It was totally insane. That's why I like how they call it a cushion. No, it was like a sofa inflating in front of you. Have they gotten that much better? I mean, aren't airbags still a little controversial, Sokerman? There are times airbags misdeploy. Of course, Takata was a big problem. Yeah. And it's knocking your understatement, knocking your eyeball out. And it's never, you know, people don't ever feel good when the airbag comes out. So when people say, well, they were a little less than they said, my airbag didn't come out. I said, it's not a feather. It's great. It's great. You don't want your airbag to come out. You only want to come out if it's going to be a life threatening injury. We've said it many times on the show. And I'm going to keep saying it again, like slow left lane drivers that we hate. If you're one of those people who sit with their legs crossed in the front seat of your car up, don't put your feet on the dash. Your airbag is going to go off and disconnect your leg. Yes. That's what that does. It's not a casual, cool way to drive. Much worse than an encounter with Caesar Chavez. I didn't tell you guys about it, but like two months ago, wow. Wow. I just had to say it. Say Caesar Chavez today. Caesar Chavez Day. We were talking about airbags. I don't know. I'm trying to ignore that story. But I have a couple of months ago, a friend of mine had a pretty gnarly crash and he had a side airbag go off and it blew out his eardrum. Saved a skull from cracking open, but did it to airbags? Solo car accident. No. To airbags? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Exactly. Airbags just never go off when you're just driving. Yeah. And that was a problem with Takata. And that was a problem with some other cars. I could just be driving at any minute. Pow. Yeah. Chevy had that. They had, when their cars, when they put really, really good tires on like the Camaros, all of a sudden like, you know, lateral acceleration numbers trick the computer into thinking it was crashy, even though you're just like, you know, doing, you know, instrumented testing. Crazy. All right. We got a lot of show today. Let's keep moving on here. Jim Farley is going to be on Chris Farley's cousin. Affectionately known as Chris Farley. Jim Farley. But we talked about that last time, this time it'll be about his new season of his show with his great guests that he's yet not passed down a single one to me when I call and I say, hey, can I get Jimmy Fallon's contact? It's Caesar Chavez. Can I get Caesar Chavez contact, please? I'd like him to explain himself. He's dead, right? Oh yeah, very dead. He's long dead. Okay, good. He can't sue us. No. What a show we got for you, ladies and gentlemen. Porsche filed an interesting patent for a shifter this week that I thought was really cool idea. It is an automatic and or manual. What does that mean? You can use it as a conventional H pattern manual with a clutch or a conventional automatic, depending on which gate you select. Did you hear about this, Johnny? Yes. This is pretty cool. So the right gate, apparently on this, you have auto reverse and neutral, there's your automatic. The left gate, which I would guess means you move this to the left. You now have an H pattern with a clutch. This wouldn't be the first time that we've seen this. I guess the KonaZeg CC850 already has a similar transmission. As do Unimogs. It's like people forget Unimogs exist, but Unimogs have a fold out clutch panel. But Porsche has decided we've got our own version of it. What do you guys think of that? To me, it strikes as money saving. How do I put this? It's one of those things where just offer manual and your dual clutch. It's fine. One car doesn't need both. I don't know. It's not going to be a great manual and it might be a great automatic, but it's not going to be like you guys own an ST. It's the best transmission in the history of the universe. It's the best. It'll never be that good. But so is the PDK. PDK is the best. But if they were to tell me now you have both, I'm losing my mind. But you wouldn't have both. I know. Yeah. But we don't know what they have yet. But that's the bar I'd be looking for. It would never get there. Because like, you know, the 911T has a six-speed manual. It's nowhere near as good as what's in the ST, or they know the GT3. Zuckerman, were you interested in driving something like that? Not really. You know, it's an either-fishing-or-foul kind of a thing. You know, pick your weapon. I can't believe I'm alone on this. First of all, I'm constantly annoyed at the manual or automatic transmission arguments on the Internet. I'm so tired of it. Yes, very tired. If they were able to kind of solve that problem and give me, because I drive a lot of cars like that, like, you know, I'm trying to think, like the 718, let's say. I'll drive that a variety of different ways, right? Sometimes I'll just shift through gears. You know, sometimes I'll use these. You know, I like variety in cars. If they figured this out for real, and I had that, I would definitely get a car like that. But you understand that it's not an H-pattern transmission. It's a simulation of an H-pattern. With a clutch. Sure. But again, it doesn't say simulation. No, no, what I'm saying is like, it's not, you're not, there's not suddenly a shifting rod appearing that's moving the gears with the lever. It's still an automatic transmission. Then you're just saying go into second, go into third, go into fourth. Right. It's electronic. That's all. It's not the mechanical connection. I understand. Yeah. But if they make it right, if it feels good. Hey, sex dolls are getting. No, I think the N-series Hyundai's like the pretending of it all. There's so much pretending when you're driving. Yeah. That I wouldn't mind pretending. Okay. If they have it dialed in. If you're saying it's like the Tiptronic and everything feels weird. I don't know how it's going to feel. And I haven't driven that car. Then I'm not interested. Yeah. I have. Oh, sorry. No, 90% of my driving is with a manual transmission. Yeah. It never occurs to me. I'd rather be in an automatic. Yeah. Same when I'm in a manual. I would just, I've driven the Unimog where like the idea is, you know, you can get on the highway and you go along as an automatic. And then when you're off road, you want, you don't want the thing to accidentally shift gears. So then it pops into a manual where you literally have a clutch pedal that, you know, the computer can't disengage. And that's sort of neat, but it's like job specific. Yeah. This is like, I guess, yeah, I'm going on for a drive. I mean, I don't know. 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It's got like Fox Racing shocks like a Raptor. For the same money, which by the way is about $68,000, you can get the Trail Hunter. It has Old Man Emu shocks, which are more long travel, more comfort, better for crawling through the Australian outback. It's actually Old Man Emu from the 70s. ARB is Australian off-road out for the bottom of the 90s. The Roof Racks ARB, so you get some real kit on this. It's wider track than a regular 4Runner. It's got really good tires. Toyo Open Country 3, the same tires I have in my Rivian. Excellent off-road tires. Is there a little light bar there in the front? Yeah, it's got little mini light bars built standard, which is cool. And is that type of stuff legal? Yeah. Yeah, sure. It is. It's fine. Well, what if I wanted to put something on my Bronco, like a light bar across the top? Totally fine. Anything aftermarket. But can I use that in traffic? Yeah. Oh, no. That's what I meant. Like, no. It's for off-highway. So you couldn't, you can't turn this on when you're driving around. You're not supposed to. You're not supposed to. You don't have to have a weird cop that'd pull you over for having fog lights on. But yeah, I don't think you're supposed to. Yeah, I didn't mind it was that center one that kind of went, hmm. Yeah, no, it's cool. That's the idea. It's like an overlander. That's cool. And then it's got a snorkel, which is a camera. It's that thing sticking out of the passenger B-pillar there. So the, all the other forerunners that are hybrids make 326 horsepower. This robs it of 1% of its horsepower. So it's only 323. But you can go into water that's real deep and still pull air into the engine. It's got rock sliders, you can see. So it really is very, very capable. The downside, well, actually one more thing. So the bronze wheels and the bronze Toyota badge, it's like less than a thousand dollar option for both those. And I was thinking, like, you know, you've been on Porsche configurators. Yeah, you wanted bronze wheels and bronze badge. Yeah, 19,000 dollars. Plus you'd have to delete the windshield and add a fifth seat. You know, I think magnesium, isn't that where the money comes in? In Porsche, Porsche charges, but they do charge $5,000. Yeah, they'll charge a lot. I know for a finish. You're right. Yeah. So, you know what I mean? So it's cool. Like, like this is about as option as you can make in. It's still under $670. Again, the starting price is $68. Those are nice wheels. They're great wheels. The only knock on it, it drives great on the highway because of the old man Emu shocks, much better than a standard one. It's very, very capable off road. Unlike the, let's say the fifth gen TRD Pro even was, it would get you there, but it did it in an ugly manner. This is just very capable. I took it off roading two days ago. That's good. It kept up with the Rivian. I went up to Hungry Valley, shot an episode of my driving with Johnny as it's called. The knock on this is, you know, it's expensive. B, not everyone's thrilled with the hybrid powertrain. And if you open the back, you can see that where Toyota puts the battery eats pretty heavily into the cargo space. So there's like a four inch kind of lump. It's just a hybrid. It's not a plug-in hybrid, right? It's just a hybrid, but you see, can't put, like open that up too. That's like a thing. But behind that's like the battery, back up, back up, back up, back up, little handhold right there. But yeah, right there, pull it up. Yeah. So behind that, and it's incredibly cheap. Yeah. To spring everything. But behind that's the battery. So you know, you have a four inch hump that's eating up and it's supposed to be an overlander. Now it does have a built-in air compressor, which is cool. Oh, that's nice. Oh, I like that. Yeah, that's good. But the other thing is, why do we like air compressors? Guys like air compressors. Well, it's handy. Like, you know, if you go off-roading, you use mine at home every week. Oh, yeah. Every week. Yeah. It's great. I've looked, Rivian comes standard with one. It's a great feature. I will say that the other real knock on this and real off-road guys laugh about this, the payload is 895 pounds. And you know, as a over 250 pound man, I'm eating more than a quarter of the payload. Right. So that's, it's like, it's like, yeah, you can put a 700 pound, you can put 700 pounds on the roof, but then the driver has to be under 200 pounds to legally be within the payload. I like Cam just left the total disarray. That's fine. Good for Cam. So let him pick it up. See it's not there. So that's the knock on it. You know, this is interesting. It's one of the rare manufacturer plates that's California. Yeah. You don't see these often. Usually it's Michigan, another place in Georgia. Hyundai and Toyota are still, are still have that. In fact, Hyundai still has a blue plate in circulation. Wow. Yeah. That's pretty cool. But yeah, it's real good other than that thing. But as Zuckerman will tell you, even though it's rated at 895 pounds, it's engineered so you can be as stupid idiot and overloaded to death and it'll be fine. Here's the interior. Yeah. And it's got a special in there. Yeah. Check out the door. Look at the door Cam. There you go. So yeah. So zoom down on the bottom one. You can see it has three molded pockets for water bottles. So you know, you can get six water bottles in the door and then there's like a, there's like a, you know what I mean? It's, no, it's, no, it's like if you're overlanding, it's hand, like literally we were, it was 100 degrees or we were filming. Yeah. Yeah. And I had six water bottles and we had one left by the end of it. I appreciate a good cup holder and water bottle. Yeah. No, sure. It's useful. It's really useful. And here's another thing. You, Cam, if you go in, you see there's a, I have a wire hanging out of the side of the, the flat screen in the middle. So it's just, they have handy USB ports and weird places. So that's like, if you have a radar detector, you can plug it in there. Or if you have, again, if you're really going overlanding, you'd have another like iPad running a mapping program. Right. You know what I mean? So it's just, it's just, it's smart and it's got big chunky knobs and you know, it's, it's tough, but I'm, this is the second time I've driven one, super impressed by it. The only, you know, the real question is, okay, so it's 70 grand. Well, there are other capable SUVs that are 70 grand. Yeah. Are they better? You know, you got to go back to back. And then also, like Toyota also makes the Land Cruiser now and you can actually get a Land Cruiser for like, you know, under 60. So if off road, into your thing is a trail hunter or a TRD pro four runner better than a Land Cruiser. So you get into those kinds of conversations, but if you live in a bubble, you like the thing, you like the Everett's green paint, like it's, it's awesome. You won't regret owning it. Although it is a hybrid that gets like 16 miles a gallon. So there you go. But super torquey. It's like 470 pound feet of torque. Nice. Yeah. He takes these cars outside. He knows how to do this. He goes out in the off roads. I love off roading. It's my favorite thing. So what do you do? Do you do like, do you climb down rock faces? Do you know places where you can go? Yes, yes. But this one, because it's not a rock crawler, what we did is Hungry Valley is great because it's like hundreds of acres. It's amazing. Well, that's what I'm always afraid of. Like I've been there on the press thing where they go, okay, we're all going to go down this rock face. We're going to do this. But I'm a little nervous about going on my own to that place because it's so big. Brought the Rivian so that everyone says, well, you know, what do I need for recovery gear? The best thing you need is another vehicle. So if this thing rolls over, they'll take you to the hospital. You know, that's number one. But do you have like a set trail that you like to go up and down? In fact, it was so random. I like my camera guy. I threw him in the Rivian. We mounted the camera on the back and I just said, just drive whatever looks cool. The Rivian can do it. So I just follow you. Right. And he's learning. Luckily, the Rivian is very capable. Like I gave him some pointers and I bought walkie-talkies this morning because we didn't have any and I'm like, boy, I really need these. But that's the thing with modern production vehicles. They're so freaking capable that like you don't really have to worry like you used to. Like this has a rear diff locker. This has a detachable front sway bar. Didn't need them. You know, or again, were we doing like Black Diamond or people are going to watch the video and go, oh, my beautiful can do that. Of course, every time, no matter what. But it's really capable. And again, like the tires are so smart. Open Country 3s are like just they're such good off-road tires and they work well on the highway. So it's it's a good vehicle. There you go. There you go. Nicely done. I like Hungry Valley a lot. I love it out there. My kids learned how to ride motorcycles there when they were yay high. It's it was that fun first kid ride. Like when they tip over and crash and they cry. And I'm like, get up. Let's go. But the pictures are so funny from that day. And then you sit on the, you know, the edge of your truck there and have a nice little lunch and get out and bikes and ride and try not to get run over by a trophy truck. What's nice about Hungry Valley too, real quick, is they do have motorcycle only trails. So if you're learning, you can stay on those. And there's plenty of people making sure everybody follows the rules down there. They do have they do have a range is that the troll. But if you have you ever go to Hungry Valley and then go to Glamis. Glamis is a trunk rally. You feel good about Hungry Valley. And then you go to Glamis and you'll see a kid in a bathing suit flying off a mountain dude. Just landing on a bunch of people picnicking and you go, what is this? And they go, this is Glamis. But, um, but it really it's what it makes you love California when you see that all that's going on. But if you, you know, we went on, what's today, Saturday, I went on Thursday. Yeah. I saw one other truck and three motorcycles. And again, it's hundreds of, it's the size of Rhode Island, I think, Hungry Valley. Wow. And it's like, it's awesome. Okay. It's five bucks. Jim Farley is going to be on the show in a minute. But before he comes on the show, Zuckerman, you won't be here because this is, we're typing different days here, but I wanted to show you this story and get your commentary on it. This is a robot. Hold on. Don't cut to it yet. What are you robot? We'll have those soon. This is a robot at a Bay Area location of a Chinese hot spot that went viral after it was caught malfunctioning causing chaos inside the restaurant. Roll the clip. I'm good. I'm not good. It's all fun and games here at Hadalio restaurant until their robot, which was an amusement that everyone got to keep using went crazy and started smashing plates and apparently started dancing and hallucinating. And she's trying to control it with the app in her hand there. Look at how hard she has to hold on to this thing. So good. Oh, it's such a good clip. This is actually very entertaining. Go to the restaurant for that. I mean, you think maybe maybe you program it like every, you know, thousands of meals. I liked it. Look at it trying to kill. Go to the end of the clip. See what else it does. They eventually, I saw this, they get like three people to drag it out. Look at how strong this thing is. And it's not even that big. That's like five one. This thing, and it's going, it's robot hallucinating. So good. And it's like the apron too. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Clearly you're not. Look, oh boy. I can't wait till the hands start like grabbing people and like snapping wrists and like, it's going to be that quick. Yeah. The robot is just going to kill quickly and they're going to go, sorry. We're building like chimps. You know how chimps go crazy and they all people make you salivate. Zuckerman has a personal injury. I'm not crying. There you go. There's no tears. There you go. All right. Before we bring Jim Farley out, let's talk about Bluetue. Oh yeah. Yes. Fellas, you know, we love this perfect blue pill here. That's Bluetue gold, by the way. I know it well now. You already know what time it is. It's time to level up. Bluetue just dropped something crazy. I'm talking about this next level championship belt gold plated energy. This is a four in one beast. I don't know how they're doing this over Bluetue, but they're just put, they put everything in for Loco and Bluetue. They just combined it all. It's the collab no one was asking for. Why, why one pill? We can put all of the pills in this one Bluetue gold, which dissolves under your tongue, works in as little as 15 minutes. That means you can get it on quicker and stay in the game longer. It also lasts 36 hours. There's another drug in it that lasts 30 plus it's got apomorphine in it, oxytocin. It's got everything. So it's got your short term. It's got your long term. It's got everything. How do we get the robot to get some of this? The robot had it. That's what went wrong. I see. Someone put some Bluetue in the dancing robot goes berserk and has to be restrained. That story. It's so good. We had to fight the robot for 36 hours. Till the battery went dead. Oh man, or a sex robot, I think. Don't give that thing a solid state battery because that's the end of us all. You can kind of see how it goes wrong with robots right in that one clip and it starts with the immune. It's just like the movies. Yeah, they made us dance in Chinese restaurants. Right. We're tired of it. They had sex with us. Yes, it's happening. So good. So you better enjoy your Bluetue now because after, I don't know. You'll be strangled by a robot. Three years we're dead. That's right. You'll be banging your robot with Bluetue and then it's going to kill you. I always worry about with the robot sex robot that there's something in the robot vagina that just goes clip like a cigar cutter. That's what you're worried about. It's going to snap your head like a praying man. Not the shame. Not the shame of fucking a robot. Bluetue's going to be so happy with this ad. We've got a special deal for your listeners. 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Good to see you, Jim. Good to be on the show. Thank you, Spike. I don't have much time with you, so I want to run through a bunch of stuff. You've got a new season of your hit podcast Drive, which launches today. We'll get to that. But first, Ford is getting back into Formula One, right? And you're just kicking off the 2026 season in Melbourne, Australia. Why now? Why Formula One now? Well, we decided about four years ago because of the reg change. It's a logical time to enter the sport. We decided four years ago to partner with Red Bull at the time. Red Bull was just on the eve of becoming world champion. So they were kind of this irreverent team. We really liked their attitude. Max was not a world champion yet. And they had the ambition to, with the new regs, to build their own power unit. So we decided, hey, let's do it together. And little do we know that Formula One will get so popular over the next four years. And Max, who won all the championships, and they become part of the establishment. But we picked them really because they were a pretty irreverent group of people. We thought there'd be a lot of tech transfer, prognostics, predictive failure components. Formula One is the best in the world. We have a lot of pro software that we sell to people on predictive failure for our transit bands and super duties. High discharge batteries, which we could bring drag racing, that would help a lot to their program as well as Aero for EVs. And so we now have dozens of engineers being working there for four years now. And we're learning even more, especially around additive manufacturing. We've flown a lot of parts on planes between Detroit and London to keep building the engines on time so we could test them, break them. Wow. And what do you attribute the big, you know, F1 really is growing into something bigger than it's ever been? And how does that happen? In your opinion? Like, why did it just blow up all of a sudden? You know, when Liberty bought them, I think Chase and the team did a great job with Drive to Survive. Obviously, that really drove a lot of viewership. I think it's really a whole new demographic. You know, my daughter is in college and she watches every Formula One race with her friends, a lot of young female enthusiasts. And I think that's what really drove the sport in the U.S. I think the coverage is not so great, to be honest. Let's hope that Apple does a better job or a good job. So I don't think it's the coverage. I think it's just the sport and the drama behind the people, the drivers and the team. The team principals really caught everyone's attention in the U.S. It's good to see with three races in the U.S. But, you know, I think, you know, frankly, it's still just getting started Formula One. They have a lot of upside still. I think Apple is doing a great job with it. I mean, I opened up the Apple TV app the other night. It was just laid out there very easy to kind of find. The races were kind of, that the app was reminding me to watch them. It was really, it was a heightened experience, I think, for that race. Do you think Indy will ever get that sort of attention? The IndyCar series? I think, not until they upgrade their vehicles, their race cars. I think when people feel like IndyCar has the best technology for over racing in the world, I think it's hard to say that now. Racing is amazing. I mean, I watch every IndyCar race. It's actually the only series of sports not involved in. And I watch every race. It's a great product. A lot of great racing. But compared to Formula One, you know, you don't feel like it has all the great technology and the best technology in the world. So I think Fox is doing a great job with broadcasting this year. But the Indy500 to me as an American is the most important race in the world. I would love it to be there with Spa or Monte Carlo. But I think they have more work to do. I think Roger's done an incredible job to get it to where it is now, though. I mean, I don't think the 500 has ever meant more than it does now. But it still has some way to go. And I think Roger and the team would admit that they have a lot of upside. You know, I read that you gave Pope Leo, the Pope, a car, a Ford Explorer, and then personally delivered it with your wife. Is it Leah? Yeah. Oh, we were that was supposed to be underground, but it, it, I don't know, became really well known. I think they have to publish donations. And so somehow the Archdiocese of Detroit published it and it got out. But yeah, it was kind of funny story. Yeah, I want to know how it works. Like, did you say, hey, Pope, how do you even get in touch with the Pope to go, I want to give you a car? Or is he like, look, I'm looking to get something. I'm not sure I'm going to get a Land Rover or a Chevy. But if you want to say something, tell me the story. What happened was last summer, when he was elected, I have a friend of mine who was ambassador of the Vatican. And I asked him, look, on American kid, and on the CEO Ford, I think the Pope should be driving American car, he's from Chicago. And the Explorer is the only plant left in Chicago. Yeah. All of our explorers are made there. So I basically emailed him. He introduced me to the Pope. The Pope sent me a private email back saying, Hey, my name is Robert Provost, but now you know me as Pope Leo. This is like three days after he was elected. Please don't share my email address. He said that. In the email. He said that. Yeah, he was super. That's funny. So funny. And he said, you know, I think it'd be a great idea. All we have is Mercedes and and and other vehicles here. We don't have any American cars. So let's do it. You're American. I'm American. Let's let's do it. So I had to call the Pope and basically say, do you want Captain's shares or Ben C? And the funniest thing was I go, yeah, white, right? He goes, no, no, I want my car black. Yeah, they're not. He turned out to be a huge car guy. It sounds like it. Yeah. When we delivered it, he goes, Hey, let's take a drive. I never get to drive. And he told me a Pope joke. It's really good, which is I'm happy to repeat it because it's a good Pope joke. And we drove around the Vatican. He was clearly a good driver. He actually missed his fusion six speed. I told him that we lost like $4,000 on every one of those we made, but he didn't seem to care much. And I was really impressed. He just wanted to ask he asked me about our factory workers, what their life was like, how much how much money do we donate to charity for what reason? He was very interesting. Good driver. But the Pope joke was pretty funny. Go ahead. What is it? Pope and his driver going down the autostrada. Pope goes, you know, I never get to drive anymore. Let's switch seats. Pope's driving, driver in the back gets stopped for speeding. The Italian police officer looks inside, sees who's driving. Oh my God, goes back to his patrol car, calls his commander. Hey, commander, I think I got a big problem. I got a really important person. I stopped. Commander says, is the governor of the state? No. Is it the president of Italy? No. Because actually, I'm not sure who it is, but he must be really important because the Pope's driving him around. I thought that was a really good Pope joke. I thought that was really funny. That's a first. We were driving around for Spikes car radio. A Pope joke. That's the first in my life in 40 years in comedy. That's the first time I've heard a Pope joke. All right. The Mustang Dark Horse SC, a new standard for race-bred engineering. Tell us about it. Oh, well, you know, the GTD has come out. We're kind of totally sold out. Yeah, I think it was a great product. We really were inspired by the GT3 RS and GT2 RS. And we thought there should be an American version of that. The SC is different. It's basically the same powertrain. It doesn't have, you know, all the fancy tricks of the GTD, but it's very fast and really, it's kind of like the ultimate, you know, road going Mustang without changing, you know, the basic configuration of the vehicle. It doesn't have a transaxle, but it's really fast. It's really fun. I think people are going to love it. It's really a special car. We have a driver's version coming out, a track version. Now we're racing both Mustang Cup and Challenge now. So it's an important car to connect with racing with our same make series. And you were just speaking of racing out at SeaBring Racing, weren't you? What kind of car were you in there, Mustang? Yeah, our Challenge series. We had about 25 cars there. It's a little awkward to see you driving racing against your customers. Thankfully, I, it's part of my qualifying lap. And so I had to start in the back both races, which was fun. And, but yeah, it's a great series. I mean, you know, a lot like the MX5 Cup or the Porsche Carrera Cup. It's the same make series. It's a standard dark horse, but with a roll cage, you know, automatic blipping throttle. It's a Coyote engine. It's a manual gearbox. So it's really fun. There's no traction control, but you can adjust the ABS. It's a proper race car. It's really fun for just over 100 grand. Anyone can buy one and go racing on the weekend with us at all these great races. It was during the SeaBring weekend. Last year, we went, we brought all the Mustang Challenge teams to Le Mans to race actually before the 24 hour. Wow. And that's what we're trying to do, just kind of giving people great experiences with their racing Mustangs. And you've come a long way since Ford versus Ferrari, and they threw the Ford exec into the car and he panicked and wet himself. And now look, Jim Farley, he's out there on the track racing and beating his own customers. That must be so fun for everybody. How do you pick, like, you know, which drivers are going to be doing that? Like that's like a life making event for a car guy going to Le Mans and racing, going to SeaBring and racing. Like, yeah, is a really good question. You know, it's kind of a mix. We have a celebrity class, we had Tanner Faust and Sir Richard Hoyd and Chris, you know, the really famous drifting journalist from the UK. We had, and then we had like an old guys class, you know, over 50, I think it is. Yeah. And then we have like the young guy class, they're all like 17, 18, 19 years old trying to move up to GT, GT4 or, or actually GTD and GT3 and hypercar eventually. So it's like three different races within the same series. We kind of pick it based on, you know, the competency of the driver driving at Le Mans, you have to be, you know, careful. Right. Really fast. Yeah. And so it was an hour race. We had two, two hour races. It's a lot of fun. We're going to, looks like we're going to go to Spa next year and then back to Le Mans in 28 when we're racing hypercar. So it's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah, we pick carefully. We now have Mustang Racing Series in Australia. So we have, we have that team come as well. So it's an Aussie slash American slash European grid. It's fun. Amazing. Busy routines can make it hard to focus on your health goals. But MedExpress offers a simple way to explore weight management treatment online. Complete our short eligibility consultation with no need for face to face appointments or travel. If eligible treatment is delivered discreetly with UK registered clinicians offering support along the way. Visit medexpress.co.uk slash podcast to get started today. Well, today's a special day for you. The new season of your podcast Drive launches today. Congratulations. It's season four. You have new episodes releasing every Wednesday, like we do. Good day for podcast to launch. But what can we look forward to in this new season? Well, I think we have a really good mix of guests. We have Daniel Ricardo. I talked a lot about his transition out of Formula One and Scotty James, a snowboarder, the incredible, incredible athlete. I have Mike Rowe, Chris Hoy. I have Brian Cranston, Breaking Bad. He's a great car person. Is he really good? Wait, hold on. Let's go back to Brian. Now, I know Brian from Seinfeld, where he was the wacky dentist. I don't think that was his character. He would take the laughing gas. Yeah, laughing gas. Yeah. But I don't recall Brian being a car guy. What's he into? I wouldn't say he's a traditional car guy in the sense that we are. But he talked a lot about, I'm not going to ruin the episode, but he talked a lot about road trips. Like he lived out of a car for a long time. He and his brother went on this extended road trip. It was pretty wacky, actually. He lived out of a car for like a year before he became an actor. I think it's a great car story that people wouldn't know about Brian Cranston. I don't think anyone's surprised when I interviewed Tom Brady that he washed his car like two times a day in high school. But maybe they wouldn't know about Brian Cranston. Gabrielle and Glacis was really fun about his buses and his love of the BW brand. Yeah, it's been a great season. I try to get the human side of people and also kind of the common things about road trips, your first car. Get everyone vulnerable a little bit about their life with cars. It doesn't have to be the traditional car person like you or me. It could be someone like Brian who has a different relationship with cars. Well, we all drive them. No, I believe in the exact same thing. There's a very large segment of non-car people who are car people and don't know it. I don't know if you've had the experience. People will come up to you and go, I'm not a car person. And I go, what do you drive? They go, I have a Toyota Prius, but I love it. I go, well, you're a car person. So you love that product. You love that thing. Help me make sense of, here on the show, I just want to shift gears for one second. I've been trying to make sense of what's going on in the world of internal combustion engines and EVs and China and America. Give us some perspective on where we're at with EVs with respect to where we were going with them maybe four years ago. Everybody's all electric and now they're not. And the sudden resurgence of internal combustion, where are we at and what's happening in your opinion? I would say we're kind of in a third inning, the bottom of a third inning of a nine inning game. I think everyone thought that we were actually in the first inning. Everyone thought we were in the seventh inning. That's not actually what's happened. That often happens with new technology. Look, the world is really different. 16% of all electric, pure electric vehicles sold in the world are produced and bought in one country, China. They are way ahead. They use a totally different battery technology, LFP, no fire risk, twice the charge life, but about 30% less energy density than a lithium battery, but very affordable. Materials are plentiful. Batteries are really efficient. They also innovated with the EREV technology in China, which is now starting to go global. And China is now the largest exporter of vehicles in the world. And as the market takes a dip this year, they're up another 40%. So we've never seen an export way beyond Japan or South Korea than the Chinese. There's 100 OEMs there. Most people have never heard of Xiaomi or X-Ping or they probably heard of BYD, maybe G-Leo and Fouville, but they probably haven't heard the other 92 car companies there. They're becoming very big globally. About 25% of all vehicles sold in Mexico are now made in China. Australia is now 20% Chinese OEMs, Middle East, South America. They're huge exporters now and they're now starting to localize their production in Southeast Asia and Europe. Europe is somewhere in between us here in the US where we're only 5% electric, pure electric. We used to be almost 15, but the consumer incentives went away and we found out what the natural market is. It's only about 5% in the US market, but that's still a huge market. In Europe, it's about 25%. And in China, in Europe, they're hugely supported by the governments with consumer incentives, much larger than the ones we had here in the US. And that helps people make that expensive bridge, because the batteries are very expensive. I think we're in the third inning because the battery costs have not come down where we thought. We thought they'd be maybe a third less than they are. Solid state and other new chemistries are pretty far out in the horizon. High magnies and low nickel are coming to market as is LFP now. Ford's making LFP battery for our new UEV, affordable product in Michigan. And we'll be starting our production for our affordable EV whole lineup starting next year at a time when pretty much all of our competitors, including Tesla, basically stopped investing. So we're really excited about our journey. But back to your question, 5% of the people, they really buy an EV, they don't buy a combustion vehicle, and other very loyal, usually for short trips, commuting around town. And that's a perfect use. And the cost of ownership is cheaper than an ICE product. But at the same token, we're seeing this huge resilience in partial electrification from E-Revs, which is basically an industrial combustion engine powering the batteries, no transmission, no axle, no drive train, just basically charging the batteries. But that will be very useful for heavy trucks for towing, like our Super Duty and our big trucks at Ford. About 30% of the F-150 now is hybrid. In our case at Ford, we believe the hybrid should also power a house or a job site to have exportable power, which is not the case of the Japanese OEMs yet. I'm sure they'll catch on. We're about 80% of truck hybrids in the US between Maverick hybrid and F-150. And you're starting to see hybrid specialized, you're going to see performance hybrids at Ford Racing, you're going to see truck hybrids for towing like E-Revs, you're going to see super efficient next generation hybrids for great fuel economy on the highway, you're going to see specialization of partially electric powertrains. And what will be left on the ice side will be performance vehicles and towing work use. And that's how it's going to play out. We really want to bet on all of it. We're going to have an all hybrid lineup, so Bronco, everything you can buy at Ford will have a hybrid. We'll also have the E-Revs for towing. We'll have an all electric, affordable vehicle to compete with Model Y and Model 3. I think there's really nothing else like it on the market for these new vehicles coming out from Ford. We really started a Skunk Works team in California four years ago. They were basically forming the one in Tesla people. My badge didn't even work in the building. And that vehicle's radically different. Engineering, I'm really excited to show everyone later this year, maybe next year, and it'll be coming out next year. So yeah, that's how I see it. There you go. There's so much going on with Jim Farley. You know, if you're the CEO of McDonald's and all you can do is really eat a burger on Twitter and then fight with the Wendy's guy, you should really look at what Jim Farley does. He knows how to run a company. Doesn't he Cameron? He's racing. He's out there racing. He's podcasting. The new season of Drive launches today, season four, March 25th with new episodes with Gabriel Iglesias, Mike Rowe and our friend Brian Cranston and more. Jim, it's always great to catch up with you, man. I'd like to see you in person again soon. I love your show. Thank you. I love your backdrop. I love that E30 behind you. That's good. I didn't bring my Bronco today. It's home in the driveway. I had to do something else, but I love my Bronco. I just bought a tire cover. You know, the 66? Put it on the back of the Bronco, and now I feel like I have a new Bronco again. All right. That one little change made it feel brand new. Anyway, it's very good to see you. Isn't that awesome? Yeah, it's tremendous. It's a tremendous product. I love it. Thanks for taking the time to visit with us. Thank you. I really appreciate the Pope joke. Didn't know I was getting that today. Yeah, no. Surprising delight. That's my objective. You're the best.