Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers to draft a QB? Browns back Deshaun Watson, Shedeur Sanders number change

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If I'm getting older and age and I'm gonna accept the uncle status, whatever, I take that, I'm gonna take that on the chin. But that makes you grandpa or whatever is older than uncle. Because I'm taking, I'm 30, you know what I mean, my 30s. I'm about to turn 37. Birthday, April 14th, smooth Aries baby. But your old ass is gonna be at least grandpa now. Because you keep on uncle Joe starting off the show with that. Yeah, I'm gonna let you know. Your kids about to have kids. They're old enough to have children almost. So you're about to be a grandfather, okay? So you keep on, just know this. I'm accepting my, you gotta accept yours too. You gotta accept yours too. You being real, you being real, you being real. This respectful over there. You know, uncle status go from like 30 to 75. You just made that up. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you, look at your G.P.T. You tell, that's what they say. Uncle status go from 30 to 75. The groups, there's different groups. That goes the maximum between a age group is about 10 years. You can't be 30 year age gaps. That's just, that's crazy. It's different. Where don't they say? Like, cause see, I'm the youngest. I'm the youngest of 14. That's a lot of kids. Okay, exactly. So I'm the youngest of 14. I got nephews that's older than me. I got a nephew that's older than me. Okay. Okay, yeah, okay, okay. Okay, yeah, well, that's just, yeah, I don't know what to tell you about that. He's, like I said, hey, when y'all in the chat, let Joe know he, it's all good. You don't have to accept it. You know what I'm saying? I'm still, I'm still me. I'm, you know, just the, just old, just old Debo. You know, getting up there. It's all good Debo accepted. Take it, you know what I'm saying? You already got the strong. I'm almost shaking listening to you just talk so disrespectfully. Man, like got me ready to jump. You already got the ball head. You know what I'm saying? You let it go. So you just accepting it. I ain't, I ain't let it go. I took it away because it was cheaper to do it when I was in college. Cause I ain't have to pay for a haircut. I could do it. Okay, my bad. Hey. And by the time I realized it was over with, I was, I was, I was 32, 30 years old. And my, my, my top of the light. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My top getting light. I'm accepting it. Your top getting light. Your, your, your line being pushed back. Wow. All right. Let's get to this. Let's get to this. You ready? Yeah man. Look here, the NFL, they, they ranked the quarterback rooms and guess who was sitting there at 30, the Brown stretch. Yep. And guess who was right after the Browns, the Steelers. So both of our rooms looking crazy right now. That's what they ranked it. Yep. They got, we, they say we got one, only one team with the worst quarterback situation then, then our squads, then the Browns, the Raiders. Mr. Brady. And they bought the draft with the number one overall pick. They going to get Mandoza. So they situation, they, they trying to say after the draft, we looking like we going to be the worst unless we end up doing the same thing they bought. No, they tripping. They tripping, they tripping. We, we definitely better than the Raiders. They ain't even got that. That's what I'm saying. That's why. And then when they get somebody, they still go. That's what I'm telling you. They, and the Browns like to actually have the audacity to say that they better than me. Like, come on. No, no, no. Cause this is what I'm telling you. It talks about this. This was, this was the boys down to who is the quarterback in the room right now, right now, right now, right now. With the Steelers. Who 29 missing my brother with the Steelers right now. There's comparing. All right. It's Mason Rudolph and it's Will Howard with the Browns room. We got Shaddur Sanders and we got the Sean Watson and Dylan Gabriel. Number 29. Listen, listen, listen. I get that. At 21, this is what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to go. I had to look at. Who at 29? Geno Smith is at 29. Geno Smith's at 29. Okay. And he 28. It's Tua Tungavalua with Atlanta. Okay. And number 27 is Jacoby Brissette in Arizona. Hey man, you calling names, bro. Just call a team. Arizona Cardinals. No, I need to give names because these are the quarterbacks that they're ranking over who we got in our room. They're basically saying this. Why are you just saying one name? Like I ain't got nothing to defend it. Cause I'm just trying to say, dude. Who do you look? Who 27 man? 27 is Jacoby Brissette, Arizona Cardinals. 26, Bryce Young, Carolina Panthers. 25, Malik Willis, Miami Dolphins. All right. All right. 24, Cam Ward. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We slightly cooked. Okay. All right. Until we find out what Will Howard can do, we slightly cooked because my confidence and Mason Rudolph is, is, it ain't, I ain't gonna be like, it ain't even there, dude. And you know what? We in this because we waiting on in Roger Stillis. Just going off of the man, something man. Like, so we can get off the bottom of this list. The reason why we at the bottom of the list is because we're unproven. They ain't seen what Will could do. And what you're saying, I understand that. And that's why I can't argue it because we don't know what Will could do. But I can't even say but. So like that, I think when I looked at it, I was high at first, but then I'm looking at like, the only Jacoby Brissette, I mean, at the bottom of this list, I mean, these Geno Smith, Tua, Jacoby, like I, it's a toss up. Cause with Shador, he didn't put up a good enough season. I could just say, no, for sure. He's better than these dudes. So I think with, when they said Cam Ward, they put in them at 24, he didn't have like, his offense wasn't that good. He didn't have the weapons. I'm looking at our quarterback position with the Browns. What would I call it? Us, we wouldn't call it when I talk about the Browns, D-Bow. What did I say? You didn't say, don't say we, I think you said us. Okay. Say us then. Us, with the Browns, I'm thinking, if we get it. You just got to, we're unproven. Will Howard's unproven, what they seen from Shador, wasn't good enough to put us over any of these other guys. So I mean, I'm not really as mad at the list, but you know what I'm saying? I just think we got to go prove ourselves. Everybody, Will hasn't played anything. So how you going to put him over guys that actually been in the game, you know what I'm saying? Have actual tape. And Bo Nick said 20, Trevor Lawrence at 19, like. Hey, hey, stop, stop. Cause they ain't go mess up that bad. I mean, I hope they ain't. I mean, I wish they had a, but they ain't, they ain't lying. All right. I mean, I could, you know, I could accept what I could say. But hey, Will Howard went on here and he, you know, he addressed that people was doubting him. So the Steelers took Will Howard and said, six round of the 2025 draft, that's what, pick 185. He was the eighth quarterback taken in the draft. Howard said at the end of the day, I'm not Will Howard. Six round pick. I'm Will Howard, Pittsburgh stiller. That's how I look at myself. And so I'm not viewing myself any differently. Obviously I understand that the media is going to take and say what they want to, what they want with it. But at some point, man, I'm just a player on the team. And whether I was a picked high or whether I was picked low, it doesn't matter. I still have to produce as much as I can sit here and be pissed off about it. It doesn't matter because it happened and it happened the way it was meant to happen. But now all I can control is what is going, what's going forward? What's going forward? Yeah. Yes. You like that? You cool with that? You like that? You like that statement? I love the mindset. I love the statement. Control what you can control. That's all you can do. You can do the best you can do. Will Howard can only do his best. And I say I'm putting myself in the best position by studying the tape, being in there all the time, knowing what everybody has to do, knowing all the checks, knowing all the routes, knowing the cadence is just being familiar as familiar as you can, as comfortable as you can to give yourself the best option to go out there and ball out. So I'm listening to him. He knows he was drafted sixth round. He was back up last year, whatever happened. He probably believes in himself, just not trying to be cocky. When I get the opportunity, I'm gonna go out there and show why I play football, why I do what I do. So with me, with him, that's all you can do, Will. It doesn't matter where you were drafted. It doesn't matter. You're all in the same team now. First round pick, second round pick, third round pick. Once you get on the squad, we all here now. You know what I'm saying? The best man shall win the job. So all I can do is put my best foot forward, hoop out ball and show these dudes that I can be a professional quarterback. And that's not trying to do anybody else's job. That's coming to here knowing exactly what I have to do, knowing exactly what my job entitled, knowing when the defense moving, knowing how to read defenses, coming here prepared, you know what I'm saying? Not looking crazy, not focused, locked in on being a professional quarterback. So I love what he's saying. He's speaking exactly what he needs to be saying, not trying to just throw out stuff and putting too much pressure on his back. He's saying, I'm coming out here. I'm a member of this squad. I know I play quarterback. I got drafted here for a reason. So I'm where I need to be. I'm where my feet are. So I'm trying to go ball out. I love what he's saying because like that's what you will want your guy to say. I'm here, doesn't matter how I got here, whatever. I'm just trying to do the best that I can do. And I'm here for a reason. So I'm rocking with it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? They judging my man on college performance, man. He was a little inaccurate. He had some placement issues, high balls, little bit of a process. And they expected him to be able to process a little bit faster because he's an older quarterback. So that kind of lowered the ceiling as far as what they thought he should, where he should be or where he could get to, we should say. And then the inconsistency with pressure, you got a little bit of happy feet moving around a little bit. But, but when the pocket was clean, he was considered a starting caliber quarterback. Okay. Okay, Joe. Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm picking up what you're putting down. Ha ha ha. Now, with that being said, the first goal of NFL football is to get there. That's the easy part, Joe. Yes. The hard part is, hey, it's staying there, baby. And he understand that. And he's saying, yo, I don't care where I was driving. I'm here. So I'm not gonna sit here and whine and cry and bitch about being a Sid Franpig. No, it's time to produce so I can stay here and become everything everyone said and thought I was not. He locked in and that's what he needs to be. That's what he said. So, you know, he's carrying a little bit of chip on his shoulder using that as, you know, fuel for his fire. I love, I love when I'm here. You know what I'm saying? I was, listen, I wouldn't want it any other way. Cause I used to love it when they said what I couldn't do. I was too short for it. But I was too slow for that motivated me to prove them wrong. Dude, I used to love when it still is with draft, a linebacker dude, especially at my position, a linebacker in my position. I don't care if it was in the first round, the seventh round. Bruh, I didn't care. I'm like, oh, okay. So you're trying to replace me. And I'm putting it in my head cause I'm short, I'm slow. And later on, you know, I'm getting old. Motivation activated. Bruh, I could probably sit there and tell you the linebackers they drafted from 2007 to... No gloss, no filter, just stories, spoken without fear. Addiction is a disease and it should be looked upon as any other disease. How did you cope with a reckless father like me? Join me, Pooja Bhatt, as I sit down every week with directors, actors, musicians, technicians and beyond. You don't need to work with the biggest people and the biggest sound to have great music. I have gone through the Saab Siddhi Khachakar, reached the pinnacle, stung by the sneaker, I've fallen down again. I am not writing actively anymore. And when I see my old work, it kind of saddens me. I'm only as good as the last shot that I gave. Mom's gone, but don't shut the theater. The show must go on. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhatt show on the iHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty, stay for the fire. 12, 13, maybe 16, 17, actually 17, because TJ was the last one. Before that, the very first two was. Was Tim is in Woodley. After that, they came right back and went with Bruce Davis. 2009. I don't know if they got nobody in nine. I want to say, maybe. I don't know either. But somewhere between like nine to 10, I know they got Jason World's and another dude. Gibson. Gibson. Yeah, that's what it was. They got the next year. They backed that up with Chris Carter. What year was they get? What year they go to bug? They got bud and I want to say it was like 50. I think they got bud and chicken low and 15. And then they went, they backed that up too. And 16 with a dude named Fene. Fene freak, not Fene. It was Fene. Oh, man. Travis Fene. Matter of fact, UCLA, Bruce Davis, Chris Carter and Travis Fene. And Travis Fene were all UCLA. Yeah. And then TJ and 17, like, dude, I got to the point like in, I would say like 2000 between that eight to 11, 12. I had to start searching for the negative. I'm like, yo, I need some attention, man. I need to hear what somebody say I can't do because I want to go out here and prove you. They trying to get me up. Like I love that. I love that, bro. Yo, Mike McCarthy. You made a statement. And the statement was this. When asked about the 2026 NFL dry, McCarthy said, I'm hopeful that there will be a quarterback there at the right time for us. Now they talking about the 2026 draft, but if you go ahead and you look at the article, dude, he's not really saying he's going to draft the quarterback this year. OK, what are you doing? He's saying he's hoping the quarterback is there at the right time for us. OK, he's not saying he's going to go here and get his quarterback. Yes, he knows he needs a quarterback. Everybody knows he needs a quarterback. He knows he needs a quarterback. That quarterback, I don't think is going to be found in this draft. Matter of fact, I kind of would bet the whole lot on it that he's not going to be found in this draft. And like when it comes down to it, Ty Simpson is the only other person that may be possibly available there. And I'm not taking him at the first. Maybe what is we 53? I don't know about taking him there, you know, and it's nothing more than just looking at, I guess, maybe having him compete as a maybe back up against Mason Rudolph. You know, I don't know. And so it's a hard decision for me because it's all dependent on what's on the board. And like we need a lot. It's other things that are that are more need. But all this, all this can actually be easily changed if we go ahead and just say, hey, Rodgers, hand him something. We ain't even got to talk about that. We're worried about that next year. Like I said, hey, stillers, hey, look, Star 25, he might work you up to something else, but but give him something. Give me something like, like, what do you think, Joe? I think that he's saying it like he I don't think he understands the facts that like this article wrote, Will Howard is unproven. And what we've seen with Mason Rudolph, we don't think that he's going to be able to take us to the promised land. So these are just facts. Everybody sees what's going on. Everybody knows what's going on. So with Will Howard, I think he believes in Will, but he knows at the end of the day he's unproven. So if there's a quarterback that we can find that falls to the right position and Todd Simpson, if we don't like him at whatever, 20 something, maybe 53. Maybe if he's some he probably won't go that far down. But he's saying if somehow a quarterback falls to where we think that he could be good enough that we could take him, then we could take him. You know what I'm saying? I tell you what, if he plummet to that 70 70 70. We got the grab. If he does some if it happens like what happened to Shador, and he goes down to 70 something, he's there, pick him. You know what I'm saying? Like I feel you with the the offensive line. If there's really, really good players that we can get to make our team solid. Let's do it. If you think, though, that we do need Ty Simpson in that locker room to be able to if Will Howard doesn't go, we know we have a Mason Rudolph. If you need another quarterback, then if you think that he's the guy, then take him. You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, Aaron, something, please, let's get out of this bottom half. That's what I'm saying. Because knowing at the end of the day, if we're Howard isn't the guy, you could still have the chance to get Ty Simpson in there, get some playtime. But if you don't think these quarterbacks are good enough at all, let's see what we can do. We'll have what we're building up our team anyway and see whatever happens. Next year we know we need a quarterback. Go get one. You can give up our first round draft pick. We can give up things to make sure we can get up to pick whoever we need because then we don't need all the extra picks. We don't need all the extra stuff. We got a team. We need a quarterback. Go get him. Go do what we got to do to get that guy on the squad. So I'm I hear what he's saying. I don't think he'll reach to go get the quarterback. But with that being said, looking at these rankings, we don't have any proven commodities on our squad. So that's why it looks you don't we don't know. So when you put in Will Howard against with Geno Smith, Tua, Jacobi, Bryce Young, these dudes have NFL snaps. They've looked good at certain times. So it's hard to put Will Howard and or Mason Rudolph over top of them. You know what number three? What? It's just another bangles. You know how far they were far once. Oh, Joey. Get on on board. Come on over with that black. That's what I'm saying. Hey, hey, we we. Hey, we we switch. They they you know, you got flak over a we switch and they we switch. And I'm telling you, we coming we coming up. We coming up then we coming up. Oh, he said he wanted to go younger. So I don't think we were looking at him looking at the chat. They told him I get get flak on that. No, that's just never. Oh, gee. I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Roger's over. Oh, of course. But flak is flak is going to be peanutty buddies compared to that 30. You talk about giving a ride. You ain't got no choice. Flaco getting paid as a backup, bro. That's why that's doable. Yeah. If he came in here, they got to pay more than what he's getting there. As they know, back up, they're going to give him a chance. I would think if you're going to get him as a, you know, veteran, like give him a chance to possibly. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. Look right in the, you know, offseason training. I'm not. I'm not. I just seen it in there. I'm not interested. I just I'm not interested. You man, you ain't you're you're interested. Man, I'm interested in Will Howard. I'm in certain way. I am. I am. But you know, I did these things. I started I started feeling a certain way being 30. They saying stuff and I'm just addressing what the code. Mike McCarthy was talking about the quarterback. No, we talking about tie sense. If he falls to our spot, cool. But I'm rocking with Will. Yes. That's what I'm rocking with. Yeah, yeah. I said, I didn't say I don't. Yeah. I'm rocking with Will. I'd rather rock with Will and just keep it going and say, you know, if this is what we go do, this is what we're doing. And if somebody else is there that we feel like can come in and add to the team and we'll add them in and just say, hey, let's roll with Will. We go see what we get. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. We pick up what we need next year or figure it out through the process of, you know, this year because Aaron ain't signed nothing today, but some different. And if we want to get the motion going, we got to just offer him something so we can know. We're going to be sitting here. Yes. Our new OC, Ryan Angelicho. He had some high praise from his former head coach, Kevin O'Connell. O'Connell said, Ange has a really good understanding of the run game and how to marry it together, how to marry the play action pass and keeping in the keeper game to base. Then keep your game to your base way of running the football. He's been vital for me in the red zone over our four years together. So when you look at rather is situational football, early down success and how you tie it all together. He is so prepared for this opportunity and it's long over. That's what I love to hear. Debo, he sounds like he listens to the Debo and Joe show. That's what it is. That's all. Listen, he had a man for four years. I'm going to give him a thousand percent. But I'm just saying when I hear somebody that's speaking my same language, that's speaking the same thing that we try to say about the play action, about the run game, about marrying it together, about situational football, about winning an early down success. Oh, my God. That's all we talk about. It sounds so simple and it sounds like, oh, no, when you're watching the game, like, why aren't they? No, you don't understand. You have to get a rhythm going. Marry in the run game, getting it started early, early down success. Which starts second and short. You get to those third and shorts, those manageable situations where they don't know if you're going to run or you're going to pass. They can't just pin their ears back and just come after you. You're dictating pace. So when you're running the ball down someone's throat, there's nothing they can do. But start putting more people in the box and trying to stop you. And if they can't, then you continue to do it, continue to do it. And that's when you play action them and they're running down. Like, we're going to stop the run and the ball is going over top of their heads. So when he's talking about marrying it, winning on early possessions, play action. I'm like, oh, my goodness. Thank you. It sounds very simple. But this is exactly what I wanted to hear coming from coming from Kevin O'Connell, the OC that's speaking on his manager, just going out on another opportunity. He doesn't have to speak this highly or just say about this knowledge of what he knows, but him saying it is music to my ears. No question, brother. Look here, he was the passing game coordinator, 2022, the 2025. OK, he stayed in the top six. He had, well, except for one year and that was 25 in a year that was outside of the top six, but he was six, five, six. And then he was outside of that. But that's kind of understandable, considering the quarterback situation last year over in the summer. So I think he's just, you know, putting it out there to Mike McCarthy and, you know, saying, you know, I heard you say you're going to be calling the plays. So O'Connell is just saying, hey, look, you know, Stotis man away from OK. So don't just give him the title and name. He can do the job, but let him try and do it. He is capable of doing it. He has done it over here with me, you know, and he's just letting him know you have someone there that could help. If you're willing to take it. And I believe McCarthy is willing to do that because why else would he have hired him as his O.C. Yeah, you know, I love it. And then, like you said, too, McCarthy, I hope, like you said, hiring people. I know he wants to call the offense and plays, but hire knowing you're not the smartest man in the room and being able to accept stuff that somebody else says, you know, I'm saying this is going to be like a team effort. You know, I'm saying you're listening to him. You're not. You don't have to go with everything he says. But knowing I know this man, he knows what he's talking about. You know, I'm saying, and being able to have like collaborate instead of just being like, no, no, no, this the way it's going to be. So knowing that being able to use your coaches. Yes, getting coaches that have the, you know, the credentials, the pedigree. They they they show that they could do it. And like you said, not wanting to be the smartest person in the room and being able to be like, yo, it's other ways, better than mine. You know, and having a collaboration and accepting and be willingly, you know, looking to make things better and help and input from your staff. You know, and I think that's what we have here. But the Browns, Jim Haslund, he walked back his comments on the show on Watson from last year, expressing optimism about his future. He says it's not far. It's not for lack of effort. OK, I mean, I don't think anybody in the organization would question his effort, his toughness, everything he puts into the job. The shine has a great chance. A fresh start with an offensive minded coach who has in the past been able to work with all kinds of different quarterbacks and make them successful. So the shine has a great chance to do that now. Joe, let's hear. Let me tell you something, Joe. Let me tell you something. Yeah. Here. The Browns go double talking again. And this time it's your own. Jimmy has. OK. You know what? I understand now why your boy Andrew Barry is is, you know, I see where he's getting them. You know, like this is this might be a clean thing. You know what I'm saying? Like he's getting, you know, when you get there, I guess it kind of getting grained into you or something like that. You know, that's the only thing I can think of. Joe, like why? Why? Why to change it? You know, why to change your heart by by, you know, Mr. Haslam? Because, you know, I don't I don't know. Maybe. Hold up. Maybe. It's because your your GM, Mr. Barry over there, he said all of his quarterbacks would be expected to compete for the. Starting job or have a chance to to to compete for the starting job. They're actually trying to maybe show a united front, a direction, maybe a purposeful position in here. I know I know, Joe, that would be like catastrophic and Cleveland just because, you know, that's the total opposite of the way that, you know, y'all work over there. But Joe, you tell me what you think. I mean that I don't know. You tell me if you give somebody two hundred and fifty million dollars, you're going to believe it. My man, Jimmy Haslam, he's going to believe in him until the wheels fall off. And what he wasn't saying that just previously. What do you what do you say previously? What do you say? Well, he was he was kind of down on him. OK. But now he's just seeing that he's back. He's been working. He's been rehabbing, you know. So I mean, that's what he's saying. I I don't I don't agree. But if you if I had paid him two hundred and fifty and at first you would have thought, you know, I'm saying he's not going to be able to come back. It would look like a big swing and a miss. Now he's been rehabbing. He's getting back right. He's looking healthy. This is from the owners perspective. Well, I mean, when you say he's a swing and a miss, he's swinging the miss two hundred and fifty million dollars that you give to a quarterback fully guaranteed swing. But how you how you go come back and just go off that what you say? Because you got I mean, I don't know. He did it. I didn't do it. I'm just trying to talk for what what what looked like happened. I wouldn't have did it. I wouldn't the swing and a miss. He could still the reason why he's saying it because say he comes out and balls out this year, balls out, brings the Browns to the playoffs. He's saying it could still not be all bad. I don't think it's going to happen. He's just speaking best case scenario. He's the owner of the team. He the one that gave him the bag. He's the one that said, oh, that could have been a swing and a miss when he wasn't playing, when he was getting hurt. Now he's looking like he's rehabbing. He's doing everything he can to get back. So from Jimmy Hasen's perspective, he's saying if he goes out there, new coach, you know, I'm saying he's been training. He's been rehabbing. He looks good. If he no gloss, no filter, just stories, spoken without fear. It's a disease and it should be looked upon as any other disease. How did you cope with a reckless father like me? Join me, Pooja Bhatt, as I sit down every week with directors, actors, musicians, technicians and beyond. You don't need to work with the biggest people in the biggest sound to have great music. I have gone through the Saab Siddhi Khachakar, reached the pinnacle, stung by the sneaker and I've fallen down again. Yeah. I am not writing actively anymore. And when I see my old work, it kind of saddens me. I'm only as good as the last shot that I gave. Mom's gone, but don't shut the theater. The show must go on. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhatt Show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty. Stay for the fire. He ends up going out there and balling. It could be a completely different story than him. Getting the whole 200 already and not really performing at all. So I think that's what he was saying. I don't I think since the Sean Watson, when he was the real like not not the real the Sean Watson, but he was healthy playing with Houston. That was that was six, seven years ago. And now the big thing that made the Sean, he could run and he could pass. He was dual threat. He could use his legs and he could throw the ball. Once you start losing that speed, that agility, he started to just become kind of a one one trick is going to be more your pocket passing. You're going to have to be able to stand in the pocket. You're going to have to be more of Tom Brady. Tom Brady could never run. He was always going to be efficient because his presence, his knowledge and this ball placement. Once you get less athletic when you are a running quarterback, it starts to make you have to just depend on that other part of your game. Not the escape ability, but the accuracy part. So I'm looking at the Sean like loving the death. But for me, I don't know if he's still going to be having those same type of twitchiness, that same type of movement like RG three. He had his knee and he's never wasn't able to just move the same way. The Sean Watson, this is he's not getting any younger. This is a long time in the league now. So just those injuries, him not being able to be as mobile. I don't know if he's going to be as successful as we saw the Sean Watson that was worth every penny of the 250. So right now with me, I'm still letting Shador go there. He was the starting quarterback. I understand competing. You're going to say that, but you're going to have to show us something to take the job from Shador. We give him some action, give him some more weapons, some receivers, some line, give him a chance and he doesn't look good. You put the Sean in there after game seven, eight. If Shador is not looking good and Shador is not succeeding, he's out there throwing picks and just doing the same things. He doesn't look like he's making growth and reading coverages and not just retreating in the pocket. You know what I'm saying? He looks like he's poised and it's not his bag. We're scoring average in 24 or 25 points a game. He's throwing 270, two touchdowns. You know what I'm saying? No, a couple, maybe like say after eight games, we got 12 touchdowns, four or five picks. I'm okay when we're working. We're figuring it out. It's not your bad that we're losing, but we can, are people performing around you? How's the defense plan? How's the special teams plan? It just don't need it to be strictly on him. So for me, I'm going with Shador, young, give him weapons, give him a chance for real to really go with Todd Monkin. If it doesn't work out, we still have Deshaun there to. So like, like Jimmy said, not completely fall off and swing in the miss on the 250. So we still got those two quarterbacks there. See what's happening. And then if it doesn't, we do got to go get a quarterback again. But we've been in that situation a thousand times before. But right now we got Shador, which I like. We have Deshaun at a $43 million deal that he's like working out. He's trying to get back and see what he can do. So those two quarterbacks can get us through the season, in my opinion. So that's, that's how I'm rocking. Okay. How do you feel about that? How do you feel about that? Give me something like, I think, do you think that's it? I think, I think this is going to sound crazy because it's just crazy. But I think they're trying to show a united front here, an actual direction, you know, purpose of what it is they want to accomplish. And they're trying to put it out there. The team is putting it out there. He's putting it out there. And, you know, to hear that in Cleveland, you know, you know, common sense ain't common anymore, and it damn sure ain't common in Cleveland, you know. So to hear that and then think that, you know, they may actually be trying to get something together. It's kind of confusing. So what are you, what are you thinking? What are you thinking? Do you think, do you? Why do you think he made the complete 180? Do you think it's because of what I said? Listen, man, I'm thinking this right here, brother. I'm thinking maybe, you know, he's trying to see if he can dump off your boy, the song to somebody, see if he can, you know, put it out there. He looking good. He can, he can be, he can be what it was that we thought he was going to be. You know, maybe they want to press some of that. You know, that guarantee off on somebody else. It's only a year left. You know, I don't know, Joe. I don't know. But I mean, the optimistic thing for you and the Cleveland Browns is they done got together. They say, you know what, man, we go do this the right way. We go show United Front and the process and direction in which we're going. And we go stick to it. You go say I'm said we all go see. But it's Cleveland. They probably stumped up like they stumbled on this shit. It was an accident. We're going to mess around and keep on getting this long. We just need to keep on not doing, doing the obvious thing, which is get talent in the spots that we don't have it. Why receiver and continue to get our offensive line, right? When we have these skilled positions running back quarterback, I like our quarterback. We like our tight end defense already. We're doing good, bringing the pieces in. Just don't start. Fandage, you're tight in it, right? Is he tight in it? I got both. We got Juckins and we got my man, Fofo at tight end. Who was going to be Pro Bowl. Yes, sir. So both of them rookies locked in. Okay. I mean, I like, I like him a lot. I didn't like him when we played. You know, he cost me. He cost him. But you know, as a as a player, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like him. Your boy, she's your. No, he's a he's switching from the 12 to the two that he is. The door will be wearing number two in 2026, the number he wore throughout his college at his career at Jackson State and Colorado. He couldn't wear two, I guess, last season because of veteran wide receiver Carter already had forcing him to take number 12. Carter is no longer on the team. Yeah. So. Look here, man. What do you think is the reason he's switching? Because, bro, he loves number two. Number two. What's his number? He always rocked number two. He has a connection with number two. You know, look good, feel good, play good. He always work. That's his jersey coming in. The vet had it. And you know how that goes. But he tried to get him to pay for it. Chidore was a fifth round pick. Money looking funny a little bit. He was like, no, that's what I'm not going to do. He went and money wasn't looking funny. Yeah, he went. He ain't want to pay. He got all that money in Colorado. He did. Boy got. He did. When he went looking funny. He did Debo. He just went cheap. He just didn't want to pay for it. That's what he did. He got the money. Wow. But he was chilling. So he's like, you know what? I'm not going to pay for that. I'm going to rock this 12. See what's up. I'm going to just make it. You know what I'm saying? That's 21 backwards. That's my dad's number. You know what I'm saying? Pop still could be good. Then my man gets let go. He's no longer on the team. Two becomes available. It's the number that I want. Very, very similar when I was in the stillers. I wanted 23. Mike Mitchell tried to buy. Tried to buy. Kept on raising the price. He was like, no, no, no. I got too much attached to him. I'm like, God, I didn't mind. So I had to go to Rob G and buy 21 off Rob G for the low. You know what I'm saying? Rob G looked out. So I'm in stillers. They weren't playing. They look like, no, Joe, you got the very what's up? Rob G was like, man, give me 24. So I had to pay for 21 next year. My good man, Mike Mitchell, loved him to death. Guy release. So then the 23 was there. Got the 23 for the free. I wanted 23 the whole time. This gives me Shador vibes. He wanted to didn't want to pay for it. Went D-Bo on it. Now two came available. Gets it for the free 99. He's happy. He's in his number. He's ready. He wanted it from the beginning, but he wasn't trying to pay. And now he pay. He got it for free. Jersey number came open. Now he's going to be two. I feel like for the rest of his career, because it's just the number that he wanted the whole time. No question. No, listen, bro, I don't think people understand how getting that number that you bought in, that you was a dog in, it can make you feel the flavor. That's your, you have a little, that's your number. And like you wrote your whole life. You know what I'm saying? It just, that it just makes you feel like when you go into your locker and now you're playing in NFL, you got Shador Santa number two. Like that's, that's your stuff. Like that's never going to matter what. Once you retire, you got that. Shador Santa's NFL two. Like I wanted to switch my Jersey number to a win. When it went single digits, I wanted to have a number five. So bad. I was like, man, just give me one more year. This third, my 13th year, I could have sworn single digit. I just wanted a five. Hater, like I wore Florida. Oh, would have been lovely. Couldn't do it. So I understand what the numbers, that number is mean a lot, bro. Yeah, bro, I totally understand it 100%. Matter of fact, three, number three, the number three, I will never touch the number three. Let me give you this. That's a fire. That's a fire number. Single digit three. Bro, listen, let me tell you why, bro. So I was 16 throughout my high school career. You know what I'm saying? So I go and I switched to number three my year because it was a new Jersey. And I had dog. Mine, mine had all the numbers. You started with Markson. 16. Okay. Okay. 16. So I go and I'm like, you know what? I'm going to switch to three because it's a brand new Jersey. You know, it's in my senior year. Yeah. First, all the other stuff, you know, I say I wanted to. I wanted to be clean because mine had war wounds on it. You know what I'm saying? You know what happened, bro? I got suspended three games my senior year, lost every scholarship offer I had, except for Kent State. I could have went almost anywhere, bro. I had old state. I had Notre Dame. I had Nebraska, bro. Back when Lawrence Phillips was there, they wanted me for running back. Those, those teams wanted me for running back. It was Michigan and Michigan State. They wanted me for lying backer. Do as soon as I was able to get back on the field in college. It took me two years, bro, because I tricked off two years in college. So I only got to play three years of my time in college. And back then, as soon as you hit college, your time started. So it don't matter if you was on the team or not, your clock was running. There's no brand shirt. So my second year on the squad, I was able to get to 16, bro. I was back. I was back. Why did the three, why did the three feel like you guys suspended for the three? Man, that three, that three, that three, bro, that, bro, that three was dangerous, but they listen, I ain't touching that. I think it was, well, I know it wasn't three, but it was a lot of self-destructs. It's tough. You know what I'm saying? Tell the two years, bro. Listen to this. This is how bad it was, bro. The two years that I was out, OK, my senior year, I left high school at 195 pounds. By time I was to play again. Right. I was 270 pounds. Right. I will never forget. And 80 pounds. Once I walked on, bro, 270 pounds per. I never forget, bro. The first spring practice I ended up walking on at that time. My head coach was actually Dean P. He was the coordinator for what? Like the Patriots, the Ravens. I think it was a couple of other teams. OK, so they got us like running around the track, you know, doing, you know, doing the running and then, you know, they bring you up at the end, sit you down and, you know, he do his talk. This is first year there. So he just came in. So the coach that actually brought me in as a prop was gone. They fired him. He's gone. I never even got to do anything with the team, bro. So like so, right. I'm sitting there and he's going, you know, he's doing this, you know, he's doing this lines and he hit something like, you know, if you can't do it or, you know, or if you don't want to do it, basically, you know, if you're lacking the effort, you know, we don't need you here. So, you know, you know, basically get your ass out of here, bro. And I'm sitting there, Joe, Joe, Joe, I'm walking laps. I am so out of shape. I am walking laps and I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh, he's talking to me talking to me. Hey, Joe, oh, he. Hey, Joe, he talking to me. Fuck you, man. Hey, hey, I'm. Listen, Joe, I'm looking at I'm looking at the door like this. I'm like, I'm about to get up right now and my out this fucking over. I'm like, I am gone, bro. And as I'm sitting there, the thought that go through my head, I'm like, Oh, you know what? Yeah, he talking to me. He said he's saying I can't do it. He said I didn't even got the way you ain't got the wind. I need that negative. I need that negative motivation that kicked in, bro. Soon as that kicked in, I'm like, yeah, I'm staying here. I'll show you motherfuckers. No, I'm right, right. And the crazy thing is the relationship I have with with Coach Pease right now, like it's crazy from there on, even today. Like I recently just talked to him probably last week, week before last, like and, dude, matter of fact, we got to get him on here. He could tell you, dude, like how terrible I was, dude. Like it was embarrassing, bro. The shape that I brought, it took me a good. It took me a good year and a half during your two years to get back. By the time I got back, I was I was two thirty six and a half percent. See if he had you, you ain't going to quit on yourself, Dbo. That's what you ain't going to do. But I'm sitting there and I'm looking, bro. And I'm like, God, he talking to me. I'm I'm I'm about to leave. I'm. He about to be just talking to me. Bro, straight up, bro. But you was out there. You was out there walking laps, though. You so you knew he was talking to you. Right. I couldn't run, bro. After one lap, bro, my back was locked up so tight. I was out there like I was eight months pregnant. Hold hold my back like this, bro, trying to get around the track. Yeah, it's a cardio right, man. Woo, it was bad. It was it was so bad. No gloss, no filter, just stories, spoken without fear. A person who is not generous cannot be an artist. The world will be at peace only when it is ruled by poets and philosophers. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhat Show on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty. Stay for the fire. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.