BEHIND THE VELVET ROPE

Dorit's Fatal Mistake Regarding Her RHOBH Future, Heather Gay Accused Of Stealing & Boz The Bully

52 min
Apr 13, 20266 days ago
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Summary

This episode of Behind the Velvet Rope covers reality TV gossip including Dorit's risky statements about RHOBH reconciliations, accusations that Heather Gay's book cover plagiarizes author Melanie Blake's design, and criticism of cast member Boz for bullying Amanda Francis. The hosts also discuss various pop culture stories including the Duggar family legal troubles and missing person cases.

Insights
  • Reality TV cast members often damage their job security by making public proclamations about which relationships they won't repair, signaling to producers they lack flexibility for storylines
  • Male cast members and romantic partners are essential to franchise success and viewership, with their absence contributing to weaker seasons across multiple franchises
  • Book cover design plagiarism in celebrity publishing reveals gaps in IP review processes, with alleged copying of international bestseller designs by high-profile authors
  • Persistent bullying behavior by cast members toward specific targets, even after apologies, erodes audience goodwill and creates negative character perception
  • Material consumption and shopping provide psychological relief for stress management, though hosts acknowledge this may mask deeper emotional processing needs
Trends
Reality TV franchises struggling with content quality when male cast members and romantic partners are absent from storylinesCelebrity authors facing IP and plagiarism accusations due to insufficient design review in publishing workflowsIncreased scrutiny of reality TV cast member behavior and accountability for bullying dynamics within franchise groupsPodcast hosts leveraging live event ticketing (Eventbrite, Patreon) as revenue diversification beyond ad-supported contentTrue crime and missing persons cases gaining renewed podcast coverage and audience engagement through emotional storytellingReality TV cast members monetizing through ancillary product lines (hair care, wellness, publishing) beyond franchise salariesAudience fatigue with oversharing of health crises and hospital experiences by public figures on social mediaGrowing interest in niche reality franchises (Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Welcome to Plathville) among younger audiences
Companies
Eventbrite
Ticketing platform used to sell tickets for Behind the Velvet Rope live events on May 28th
Patreon
Subscription platform offering ad-free podcast episodes and bonus content for listeners
Netflix
Referenced as former employer of cast member Boz in C-suite executive role
Pepsi
Referenced as former employer of cast member Boz in corporate role
Apple
Referenced as former employer of cast member Boz in corporate role
Beats
Referenced as former employer of cast member Boz in corporate role
TLC
Television network that previously aired Duggar family reality show before cancellation
Fox
Network providing talent for podcast interviews through The Masked Singer and other shows
News Nation
Referenced as employer of journalist Ashley Banfield covering missing persons case
People
David Yonthiff
Co-host of the podcast discussing reality TV gossip and organizing live events
Sarah Frazier
Co-host of the podcast providing commentary on reality TV franchises and pop culture
Dorit Kemsley
Discussed for making risky public statements about not reconciling with Kyle Richards
Heather Gay
Accused of plagiarizing book cover design from author Melanie Blake's Ruthless Women
Melanie Blake
Author of Ruthless Women accusing Heather Gay's publishing team of copying book cover design
Boz
Criticized as Boz the Bully for persistent bullying of cast member Amanda Francis
Amanda Francis
Target of bullying behavior by Boz regarding business courses and scam accusations
Todd Chrisley
Recently appeared on Behind the Velvet Rope podcast discussing current projects and ventures
Julie Chrisley
Recently appeared on Behind the Velvet Rope podcast with husband Todd discussing projects
Heidi Montag
Featured as podcast guest after seven years, discussing The Hills reunion and Laguna Beach
Lauren Conrad
Referenced in Hills reunion context regarding private conversations with Kristin Cavallari
Savannah Guthrie
Discussed emotional interview regarding missing mother case and family grief
Ashley Banfield
Accused by podcasters of defamation regarding coverage of missing persons case
Josh Duggar
Serving 12-year sentence for downloading child sexual abuse material
Joseph Duggar
Arrested for sexual assault of nine-year-old girl during family vacation in Florida
Kendra Duggar
Arrested on four counts of child endangerment related to spouse's criminal charges
Jim Bob Duggar
Discussed as subject of investigation regarding family management and child welfare
Michelle Duggar
Discussed regarding parenting practices and recent defense from audience members
Bethany Frankel
Referenced for advice about not sharing personal health information and selling merchandise
Lisa Barlow
Referenced for advice about not sharing down times and maintaining privacy
Quotes
"Dorit, what? You just lost your job, baby. Stop talking."
David YonthiffEarly segment
"The men bring an element. And I think part of the reason this season of Beverly Hills is so bad. We don't have any guys."
David YonthiffMid-episode
"Bows the bully. I'm officially saying bows the fucking bully. Now she did apologize the other week to Amanda."
David YonthiffMid-episode
"Get yourself another Louis, get yourself a Cartier. You're on a different budget. Get yourself a new pair of pants."
Sarah FrazierLate segment
"It's not bad. It's worked for you, honey. It's worked for you. It's working."
David YonthiffClosing segment
Full Transcript
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I will be drinking. It feels so good to have a glass of wine after like 10 or 11 months of sobriety. I can't believe you're going to drink. I get Karen Huger. I get Karen Huger. I can't say the, I'm an alcoholic word. I can't forget it. I mean, I have a pill problem. Anyhow, what? Tell me. I went, I left the state last weekend. I had a little bit of business away and I went out with the group. My rider dies, some of them, and two glasses. Now mind you, this, this, let me tell you, outside of New York and LA, they give you a pour. You go to those suburbs. Oh my God, you get that glass of wine for dinner. Thank you. You get a, I mean, like, are you fucking kidding me? Or are the Martini guys, and they fill it to the rim, you get a glass of wine. It's like, what type of pour is this? In the suburbs, they give you the, like, the whole thing. I had two glasses of wine. Oh my God, you would think I had like 800 things to drink. I'm on a lightweight. Go on. The show is on. It's amazing that you have like cut back. Anyhow, we got a darling. You got to get out here to LA. We got to go have a dinner, a catch, or we got to go to Craig's, see what's going on. Anyhow, May 28th, the tickets are always available on Eventbrite. You can search David Yonthiff's name, Sarah Frazier, behind the velvet rope, TSFS, whatever it is, you will find it. They're also linked in our bios on Instagram on my TikTok. You can't miss it. May 28th, 7 p.m. New York City time. Check the time, guys, please. Every single show we have people. I didn't get the time right. I run a refund. There are no refunds, guys. No. We keep the ticket price low, so it's accessible for everyone. It's a great night. It's via Zoom. You get in your jammies. You bring your pet dog. You have a glass of wine. You have a toke, whatever it is. We have a ball. It's so good. There's going to be a lot of gossip. I mean, David's embroiled with this whole thing with Kelly Dodd. You know, I'm back. I'm going to be super messy now. I really wanted to control my, I wanted to keep my peace, being pregnant with my baby girl. I didn't want any drama, but now. Now you're ready for the drama. Yeah, there's so many people I want to tell to F off and welcome to Plathilus Pack. Anyhow, there's a lot going on. When you just don't care and it's like, fuck you, go fuck yourself. It's so wonderful. It's so deliberate. We're spilling it all. You put my name in your mouth. Chad is coming after you. Now, let me tell you a few things, Sarah, Frazier. First of all, everybody buy the damn tickets because you say this every time, like you said, last minute, oh my God, it's sold out. What can we, we can't do anything because then we would be so please just buy your tickets May 28th before they sell out. It's going to be fun. People have been asking for this. Um, I have to tell you something. Dorit, she's on my mind again, this Dorit. I can't help it. Well, Dorit needs to shut her mouth because she is now say, well, I'm trying to protect her. She is now saying that she foresees herself reconciling with Erica, but she does not see herself reconciling with Kyle and it's like, don't make those don't do it. That's what got, you know, thank God, Teresa, you DJ, you know, she saved yourself. I don't know if it was Louie, Looney Lou or whatever, but you know, Teresa, why stop? Don't make those proclamations. You make those and it's you're fired. You've got to realize this job is it's acting part acting. So it's like if you're saying you're not going to make up with Kyle, that's just what we were talking about girl. I think you just lost your job. Stop. Erica fight Kyle. No, she doesn't see it. Does Dorit not see? I mean, they never Dorinda didn't see it. Renna didn't see it. They never see it. Margaret saw it coming. But I mean, Dorit, what? You just lost your job, baby. Stop talking. We like you, right? Oh, I love Dorit. I think Dorit's amazing. I think she's great television. And I think Dorit will be Dorit and Zo unlike Erica, I think will sacrifice their love lives. I think they will find men put the men on TV. Will eat them up spit. We don't care. Yeah. Zo don't care. Yeah. I think they're on Raya. I think the men are going to be rich. They're going to be tech pros. They're going to be young. I think they're going to, you know, yeah. Like that's the only thing because I know we've talked about, you know, who's staying, who's going and keeping Erica. But Erica thing that bothers me is she's going the way of Chazelle. We're not seeing the men. You know, the men, I know people don't want to hear it because we're going through it with secret lives of Mormon wives. But the men bring an element. And I think part of the reason this season of Beverly Hills is so bad. We don't have any guys. We have bozes, you know, kind of, you know, fiance or whatever. But without other dudes, I mean, Michael Darby, like, I'm sorry, Michael Darby helped make that show for R. H. O. P. He did. You even had Pastor Jamal. Yeah. Oh my God, Jamal. I mean, yes. Like the men bring it and without the guys, I know people don't want to hear it. They don't want to hear it. I mean, Salt Lake is probably the exception. We see Angie Kay's husband. We got John. We got Seth. Yeah, we got Seth and John are great. Justin Rose, remember? And Jen Rose is amazing. You know, you got Heather and the new Heather with the ozempic. So Heather Gay. She don't have a man, but the other guys we see. What do you make of Heather Gay real quick? What do you make of Heather Gay being like a full on author now? You know, she's like leaning in. I think she's got a new book. I need to tell you guys about Noom. I've eaten my way through the winter. 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I think she means properly tomorrow as I have tens of thousands of DMs. Flagging out ripoff of my Ruthless Women cover by Heather Gay, publishing team. They do say copying is the highest form of flattery. But it's fair to say like millions of fans, I am not effing happy about this. And particularly stupid to think no one would notice when my book is an international bestseller in nine languages. As you'll notice, her cover is a mix of my UK design and my Czech color scheme additions. Even though the stories are entirely different, the cover snatch is effing disappointing to say the least. Heather Gay steals. She steals. Well, she's stealing that this woman is accusing her of stealing the cover. Now, I don't know if it's Heather. I don't know if it's someone else. But that's what she's being accused of stealing the whole damn thing. Right. Stealing girl. You steal. Yeah, I gotta be honest with you. Are you looking at the two covers? Are you looking at the two covers? Oh, they're like so similar. Yeah, I've seen. Yeah. Come on, Heather's publishing company. What are you thinking? And then, you know, people are saying, well, that's how AI works. It's put in the words in the book and it spits out a cover. Well, I don't think we're there. I think you got to take a minute and check and how I mean, shame, shame, shame. Heather Gay and their team. Heather Day steals. She's being accused, baby. Well, here's what I do know loosely about copyright, which is if you change three things, you know this better than I do. If you change three things about someone's design, because jewelry is notoriously, this is how allegedly, allegedly, Tiffany's and many other jewelry companies do it. You know, they'll go, they'll send a rep to like, you know, jewelry events. Cartier. Yeah, you know, church events where they find these beautiful artists, independent artists, they rip off their design, they buy it. They change three things and then boom, there's their creativity. So I mean, gay did. Okay, if you want the three changes, the hand is reversed on Heather Gays. Okay. There's a makeup case. The makeup side one image is shattered. Well, that's not on the ruthless woman. But there is a different the place where it shattered is reversed. One shattered on the bottom one shattered on the top. Mm hmm. And then not change something. What else? Well, Heather Gays makeup compact case is gold lining, whereas the ruthless woman I eat her to say doesn't look like it's gold looks like it might be black and a mirror kind of thing. Well, they say my Miley Cyrus also says she didn't steal. I can buy myself flowers. Let alone in the rain. Well, I can take myself dancing. So she says she didn't steal flowers. So shame shame, Heather Gay, you might be in a bit of trouble. Um, good for you, Sarah, you got an interesting one there. So I don't know. Thanks. Dory, be careful, baby. You have a minute. Do you have a minute? Can I? Oh, anything for you. Go on. Uh, bows. Bow. I got a new name. You know, we have satine and we have the animal across the river. We have the rat that's goodies. And you know, my friend, Maj, the sergeant. I'm going to be talking about her no more. But Maj, the sergeant put a whale on that shirt. Every once in a while, you get a zero star review. The names are so the name colleague is so immature. I can't listen to this podcast anymore. But you do still listen. The numbers don't lie. You dumb fucker. You dumb stupid mother fucker. You dumb. You dumb mother fucker. Can I say something? Go on. Um, We have a new name. Okay, we have a new name amongst us. Bows the bully. I want you to meet my friend. We have Dolores. Bows the bully. We have a new person. What? What did she do? I'm done. I am done with bows the bully. She just can't stop you. Girl, you are obsessed beyond belief with Amanda Francis. It is your second season. I get it. You're going for the low hanging fruit. You're not going to fight with Kyle. You're not going to fight with Rachel. I know you knew Rachel. It's just like you're picking on Amanda. I don't even think it's like found it anymore. I don't not like bows. I don't not like, I mean, it's not a favoritism thing. I'm officially saying bows the fucking bully. Now she did apologize the other week to Amanda about the whole Pinocchio mask and she said, I really, really, truly from the bottom of my heart feel bad if I upset you by saying the Pinocchio mask was you. But she it's not the scammer of the business. She just won't leave Amanda alone. She is bows the bully. I'm over her. She's really actually starting to annoy me this bows. Really? It's starting to be it's not Carl Radke, Vicki Gumbelsen self-righteous, but it's Carl Radke. Oh God. Oh God. Have you ever met Carl Radke? No, I haven't. I am probably the least interested in Summer House people of all the franchise. I worse than Southern charm. Yeah, I enjoy Southern charm. I've met Craig before. Lovely. This was when he was with Paige. Lovely. Okay. He was nice. I mean, he was in, you know, he was taking photos and, you know, he was I mean, since then I think he's a simp. But, you know, I mean, yeah, I've met Paige. I've met Hannah Burner. I think amazingly talented. Amazing. I just, I don't know. I'm not interested in Summer House. I never was. I'm now Carl. I don't think you're interested in Ladies of London either. I don't think you've watched yet. I know and everybody DMs me. They're like, you're going to love this. You're going to love this. I'm going to get into it. I'm sorry. I'm caught up in Salt Lake. I'm caught up in the Duggers. Welcome to Plattville is back. I'm so interested. I'm so obsessed with this backwards redneck family. I love them. Sorry. Go on. The world moves fast. You work day even faster pitching products drafting reports analyzing data. Microsoft 365 co-pilot is your AI assistant for work built into word, Excel, PowerPoint, and other Microsoft 365 apps. 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They're in like these beige gray color so everything matches. They're very clean and minimal. The Wayfair has stuff that's mid-century modern, farmhouse, contemporary, whatever your style is. So Way Day is the sale to shop the best deals in home. I'm talking up to 80% off with fast and free shipping on everything. Head to Wayfair.com April 25th through the 27th to shop Way Day. That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R.com. Wayfair, every style, every home. Um, I don't, I, I, I suppose the bully. She is just, she did apologize to a man, but she is just, she won't let up. Everything is the courses and, and, and this and people are buying the courses. I don't understand. It's like, I'm not forcing anyone to listen to this podcast. I can promote it every day. You're making your own decision. So how is Amanda a scammer? How is it not a legitimate business? I mean, honestly, with all due respect, Miss St. John, with all due respect, what are you doing? I mean, I know you were C-suite and all that, but like, what is your business today? I don't mean when you worked at Netflix or Pepsi or Apple or Beats or whatever it was. Like, what do you do all day? I'm like, what is Bose's business? I'm actually curious. Besides being on the show. I don't know. Is she like a corporate consultant? No. No. What is she doing now? I think she, I think she, I think she does this. Wait, let's go. Let's, let's go. Hold on. It's just like, leave her alone. You're Bose, the bully. So for everyone that has an issue with other names, we have a new one to add to your list to have issues with. Oh, we forgot the Ratatouille's, Emily and Gina. Bose the bully. I think she currently, her job is housewives. That's it. Okay. Well, stop being a bully. You're obsessed. Get over it. Move on, Bose the bully. Every interview, but she did apologize and I felt it was sincere. She said, I really, from the bottom of my heart, mean it. I am sorry that I insulted you by saying the Pinocchio mask a few weeks ago was you. I do apologize. By the way, you're still the bully. Bose. Yes. Bose appeared on, on brand Jimmy Pallan. That's correct. That's okay. Now went. She's the author of the memoir, The Urgent Life. She's a podcast host. Is she? Is she? Does Bose have a podcast and we don't know. And she's the founder of a hair care wig line Eve by Bose. Well, so is Kenya Moore and so is Ramona with the Greigio and this and Sonia and her cheater brand. We all have something. I'm talking about the reality that actually makes money. Man, this course is made money. No, no, I don't think Amanda makes the 40 million that she says. I would agree with you on that, but. No, not even close. Probably 500,000. Guess what, Sarah? Yeah. What we should, I'm ready to talk about anything you want. Anything. I mean, the world, the world is your oyster, Sarah. Whatever. Now that we talked about. Well, Eve by Bose is, is actually a legitimate. Hair care site. So there you go. What do you make of Ariana, Berman, Brielle, Kim, all shading, Croy, Berman under Jesse drapers, contentious divorce. So draper, uh, Jesse, I believe was recently on call her daddy and said, I'm getting divorced. I told him I was going to file. He ran to the courthouse straight to TMZ to make it look like it was his decision. Apparently he has orgies. Esquartz. Esquartz. Yeah. That's what I mean, though. Ones that are holier than now. I'm more mean. I'm religious. You're having orgies in your backyard. An actual or worse. Well, that's always the case. Uh, beer, Ariana, tag, retail are really fucking horny, huh? Yeah, it must be something about the altitude there. Yeah, they are. Really horny. Go on. Well, also it's, you know, like you said, it's the religious thing. Uh, Ariana texted Brielle and says, does this sound like somebody we know? Brielle then responded, same story, different face. Kim herself entered the chat. Sounds all too familiar to me. I got you, Jesse. So what do we think? Do we think Roy Bierman, who by the way, now I believe is like a car part salesman or some sort of mechanical salesman. I love it. Yeah, me too. I mean, do we think he is horrible? What do we think? Do we think he's like Jordan? Do we think he's like Jesse soon to be ex-husband? What do we think? Um, I gotta be honest. I think they're all fucked up from secret lives and Mormon wives of them being honest. I know, but don't you think Kim, I'm sorry, we think Kim Zolciak Bierman is completely innocent. Give me a break. Give me a break. Do I think Roy probably, I'm sure played his part. Yeah. But do we really think Kim is not a narcissist and not a, I don't know. Well, guess what? Call Margaret Joseph's because Margaret is on the island with her and Kenya and Savannah Chrisley and Jule and Chrisley. And apparently they're filming that show, that girl's trip show. What do we think? Do we think that Chrisley's are doing well? Don't you feel like there's a fall from grace? Like, no, I think, I mean, Todd and Julie, I listened to them. We just had them on this podcast. There are podcast clips that come up. I think Todd and Julie are just loving life. You do. Love life. According to Mr. Chrisley, according to Todd, they have a million Jule's cooking show. They apparently have a million shows in the mix. They just did my show after being voted off the mass singer. We had some good people. This is in thank you, Mock Messinger. You've given us good people to interview this season. I love my little working relationship with Fox. I know you got a good one there. You really do. Julie and Todd were wonderful. And who else do we have this season? That was just wonderful. Heidi Montag. Thank you. It's only been seven years. Thank you. From the bottom of my heart, I wanted her on for... Oh, how excited are you? The Hills. Woo! Laguna Beach, The Reunion. Kristin says to LC. 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I mean, no, I mean, look, the Duggar stuff, I mean, like living for, you know, I feel like the whole family is going to be arrested. I don't even know what's going on with that stuff. For some form of essay. Well, okay, Josh Duggar is now, you know, he's serving a 12 year sentence for downloading child corn, like all this stuff, essaying his siblings, other kids. Now his brother Joseph has been arrested, to essaying a nine year old girl in Florida when they were on vacation. Yes. Kendra Duggar, his wife, arrested. How old? Wow. She had some, some essay to. No, when your spouse is arrested for, when you or your spouse is arrested for essay, it's, you know, automatic child protective services are coming to your house if you have underage kids to see, you know, are they okay? Right? They go to the Duggar house. It usually makes sense. They have locks on the outside of the kids' doors, on the outside. What does that mean? They lock them in? Yeah. Oh, shit. Fuck. So she was arrested. Four counts endangerment, entrapment. Now I've done this, you know, I've covered this. The Duggar's always were so weird to me. Jim Bob and Michelle, I think they should be investigated. I do. Parents are whacked. Is this on TLC too? Well, no, they pulled them. They pulled them years ago because, yeah. Yeah. Okay. They used to be though. And now people are sort of coming to the mom's defense a little bit, saying, look, you know, my kid used to have like, not really Prada Willie, but, you know, would get out at night and try to escape or would eat through the fridge. So, you know, our pediatricians have put a lock on the door. I know. So I don't know. It's a mixed bag where people are like, well, maybe the kids had behavioral issues and that isn't uncommon in a private home. And then other people are saying, oh, you know, this is not good, whatever they were up to with those kids. So we'll see. I'm obsessed with that. Obsessed. Can't stop following. Well, Secret Lives and Mormon Wives is so, Secret Lives and Mormon Wives is so good. It's so juicy right now. It is. Well, I mean, like the whole Taylor Frankie Paul and the Bachelorette and your friend speaks up on that, Beth and me. Well, she'll speak up on any, anything that she thinks she can, you know, get a click or something for her. No, the only interesting part is they're talking about Moira. You watch Traders, you know, dumb Moira. Moira, yes. Moira making her the Bachelorette. Well, that would be good. I would love that. Yeah, I would love that. She would. That would be good. Secret Lives and Mormon Wives kind of. You're not so, you're not so into it. I've only recently gotten into it. It's not my thing, babes. Yeah. But I wish, yes, Moira, they want her to be the next Bachelorette. You know, it's like I say, you think I'm kidding, but, you know, people forget the dead very quickly. I do say that it is true. It's horrible, which is why everyone should live their life for themselves. But, you know, look, we can't, I mean, Kathy Griffin says, why do we talk so much about Nancy? Nancy Guthrie and there's so many people missing, but I get what she's saying, but the world has apparently moved on. We don't talk about this at all anymore. Well, that's the record. You've seen the clips, I'm sure. Now, as of the recording of this podcast, Savannah Guthrie, yeah, just sat down and I mean, crying through the entire thing. And I mean, I'm going to say it like, a lot of podcasters came out. They accused the family, Ashley Banfield. I mean, is Ashley Banfield going to be fired? I don't even know. I think she works for News Nation or something. Well, that could be, do they want to call my attorney? Cause he is, he'll represent for the defamation case. I mean, it is heartbreaking. We're in agony, she says in the interview. It's unbearable. And to think of what she went through. Guthrie, I would do this too, says she wakes up every night in darkness, just imagining the terror that her mother must have felt with that guy entering and basically taking the mother or we don't know, you know, could have killed the mother in the home and you have no idea. Not knowing is definitely worse. I've said this before, then knowing that your person has passed away. It has to be worse. We are over two months. Nobody knows anything. Nobody knows anything. This is a cold case. This is an official cold case. I mean, it's horrible, but nobody, you know. Yeah, those suspects have still been identified in the missing person's case of the 84 year old. I, I, I, I don't know how somebody nowadays goes missing like that. I really don't effing know. I don't effing know. And how they've released an image, usually once they release an image, it's like the guy that shot Charlie Kirk. Once they released, I think his dad ended up turning him in. I don't think they had a lot there either, but anyhow, they released some images. The dad, I think recognized his son turns him in, but I mean, they, they have an image and no one's talking on that person. Nobody has an inkling. Someone of course does. Who that person in the mask was. We don't have anything. Unless this has been so messed up by sheriff Nanos, which a lot of people do agree with that. But you know, boy, a lot of people, a lot of podcasters and stuff came for Guthrie's family. Like they weren't grieving correctly. Why weren't they out searching? Horrible. Yeah. And she's like so brokenhearted. Anything else keeping you up at night? Any other stories? I mean, I'm just so different than so many people, you know, Perez Hilton, if you, you know, you see that a few weeks ago in the hospital. What's the mystery illness? What did he have? I think, I see like sepsis or something and he survived it. Before that, I think something with like an ulcer and then ripped like a lining or something. But like, I don't know. I mean this and I, it's not even an insult to these people. Just, it's not my thing. I am not going to share my nights in the hospital with anyone. As my friend Bethany says, she has merch now, you nosy bees. She's selling that on Amazon. I'm not sharing it. I don't want to share being in the hospital and being sick and what happened to me. I don't want to share it. I don't like it. I called Lisa Barlow. I shared it all. Lisa Barlow said, don't share your down times. I said, okay, Lisa Barlow, I'll just share everything being okay. Lisa told me that's how a lot of people live. It's like the only fans, the only fans, founder worth billions of dollars died at 42 of cancer. Nobody knew. Nobody knew. That's more of my speed. Nobody's going to know. My amniotic. You know what I think is scary and it's like, is it increasing? I guess they say it is, but how many young people have cancer? Like 40s. I mean, James Vanderpeek, it's still hard to believe he died of. This is why I don't give a fuck about anything in life. Not one fucking thing. This only fans person died with a billion dollars, which I would love to have a billion dollars because I got to be honest. Other than my health, I don't love anything except as much as that money. That's like my number two thing. I know. And I love money too. It doesn't it feel like it's like, oh, material things when you go and buy. No, they help. They actually does. I agree. They help. It feels I know it's just put the bandaid. There's this woman Kimmy on the London real ladies of London and she shrinks, but like she don't, they had a meeting in this one girl. She said, um, Missy, she said, well, my store, let's learn, learn about. She said, my brother was shot dead in the street. And when he was shot dead, the wife was banging on the door trying to have like a stranger open so they could throw the baby inside. The brother died in front of his whatever. Then another woman said, my sister hung herself. So I'm just giving you some back horrible things. And this woman Kimmy is like, I don't want to go through any of this. I don't want to deal with it. We're like, I don't want to get dark and deep. And like, I just want to like just, you know, live in the material world. It just, it does help. That's my point. Just, and she said, I understand that I'm not dealing with my feelings. Oh, I know. And not to listen. I get it. Not dealing with your feelings is not what trained professionals would say is healthy to just push it down. They say one day you're just going to snap. And when you snap and you realize all that's there, you're just going to break down. Well, let me tell you something. I am not a spring chicken, you guys. I am in a different decade of life than I was yesterday, than I was the day before. And I had been pushing this shit down for decades. Get yourself another Louis, get yourself a Cartier. You're on a different budget. Get yourself a new pair of pants, go, whatever it is, I've been pushing it down for decades. And you know what? It's got to be better than waking up and saying, let me analyze it all and curl up in a ball today. So I like what Kimmy says on Ladies of London. She's like, I don't want to deal with this. I just want to push it all down and keep it superficial with everybody. I'm going to choose that one. It's not bad. It's worked for you, honey. It's worked for you. It's working. Now the day I have the breakdown, guess what? Let's deal with that when I'm on my deathbed. You know what I mean? I'll be there. Today is not the day. Thank you. Today is not the day. So my point is- I'll have to drag my kids. I mean, you know, and my son is like super hyper, so he'll probably end up like pulling out your IV. No, because they'll be older by then. I find that kids get calmer when they get older. No? That's true. Yeah. Well, hopefully. I'll just push it down. And yes, my things does help. Whatever your budget- It does. It really does. It's $20. Whatever it is, it helps. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It just helps. You know how relaxing you do? Shopping is. And then when you can go designer, you know how good a pair of Chanel earrings feels? Like it just feels great. And you know, they always go, oh, it only lasts for a minute. It's like a quick boost of dope. It's not actually. No, it's not. You know how good it feels? Here's the thing. Think of all the clothes that you have hanging in your closet right now. Everybody. Now, when each of those items was new, so you got five new things that day, you love that item. Now, today you don't love it no more. It's like, whatever. Like this shirt you're wearing or this shirt I'm wearing, like actually this shirt is relatively new, so I'm loving it, but I won't love it in a minute, which is really sad. But it does help. It really, truly helps. I know. I know we're superficial for saying that, but it's one of life's gifts. And you know, the problem is you, like you said, you do all this, you die. Your clothes aren't worth three cents. Some of the, you know, some of the bags are worth some money, but you pay, you know. Right. Anyway, okay, I'm loving you and leaving. Bye, Gord. I love you too. See you all later. See you soon.