Episode 530: Lindsey Vonn: Building Mental Toughness Through Injury, Pressure, and Setbacks

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Again, head over to Therasage, T-H-E-R-A-S-A-G-E.com and use code BEBOLD for 15% off any of their products. all right guys so today we have lindsey vaughn on the podcast and by the way i i was yapping before but i didn't even say how excited i am to have you here because no because talk about like we do all sorts of people on the like the best in the world or like in the world come on this podcast but you are legit like the best in the world at like downhill skiing and i gotta tell you i don't know any other person that does what you do like in the sport like you've actually made it I think popular and famous like I I don't know am I the only one because I don't know like I really feel like I know you like you're such an icon in your sport like an adrenaline junkie have you always had that type of like that adrenaline junkiness in it like tell me like how you started how you became you really? I mean, I started skiing because I loved skiing. You know, I didn't get into racing because I was an adrenaline junkie. I just I think I always pushed the limits. Like I was always climbing trees when I was a kid. Like, you know, I was always forcing around and doing things that I was told not to do. And, you know, I think as I progressed in my skiing career, you know, I there's different disciplines in skiing. And as I grew older and started doing downhill, which was obviously the fastest in the sport, I loved it. The faster I went, the happier I was. And since then, especially now in retirement, I just do whatever adrenaline thing I can find, whether it's wake surfing or e-foiling or whatever, jet skiing. I'm just always trying to find something that gives me that adrenaline. But nothing would ever come out. You go down, like what 84 miles 85 i heard like your highest was 84 miles an hour like that's been clocked yeah that's crazy like that's awesome it's fun i'd say it's really fun it's really really fun i mean like how do you even work up to that like i don't even know what can even compare like if you are an adrenaline junkie yeah going jet skiing is not even close to that like i can go jet skiing i can't go downhill skiing i mean it's kind of like driving a car right if you're always on the highway you're used to driving fast right yeah and you see you know you see things coming and you can you know kind of anticipate what their drivers are doing it's very similar to skiing you know if you're used to going fast that's your natural speed and that's why training is important for downhill because you need to go fast but that just like that's my natural habitat going fast it really is like your natural habitat so okay can you start by telling i mean my audience i mean most people, if you're not living under a rock, but if they are, how did you kind of begin this path? I think you were nine years old and you met your role model. And then what happened? So I met Peekaboo Street, who she won the Olympics in 98. And at that time, I think she'd won a silver medal from Lillehammer the Olympics before, but she was the only person that I really knew in skiing and skiing wasn't on TV. So like we used to get the VHS tapes of like all the winning runs, you know, of the season. And so, you know, to actually see someone from your sport live in person, like this kind of mythical, you know, superhero, it was amazing. And seeing her made me want to be a skier. You know, it made it cool. It made it tangible, made it something for me to look look up to and so after I met her I came home and from the ski shop I had this like an autograph signing and I said dad I want to be in the Olympics and he you know straight face he didn't even like smirk or laugh he's like okay but you know it's gonna be really hard are you ready and I'm like I'm ready let's do it so he literally sat down with me and we made like a 10-year plan of like how I was gonna make the Olympics and uh because the next Olympics I would be eligible for would be Salt Lake City 2002 I was 17 years old so my family moved heaven and earth and we moved to Colorado so that I could, you know, pursue this crazy dream. And then I made it. And then it worked out. It worked out. So before you were nine, were you already, if this person was your role model, your idol, were you already skiing a lot? Yeah. At like three, four, what age did you actually put the first pair of skis on? Just like two and a half. And then before that, I was actually in a backpack. That's probably illegal now, but I was in a backpack while my dad was coaching. Wow. Because he was going to law school and he was coaching on the side. So I would be like in his backpack, you know, he was skiing around. Really? Yeah. So I was like always on the mountain one way or the other. And then I started racing when I was about seven. Started traveling to actual ski camps in the summer when I was seven. When I was nine, I went to summer camp by myself in Austria with my team. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And that's when it kind of started to take off. So did they know that you were kind of a prodigy already when you were six and seven, five? Or you're just like kind of like every other kid. No, it was like every other kid. I loved it. And I guess my dad tells a story that he came to one of my camps in Oregon and it was raining and lightning and all the lifts had shut down because there was lightning. And I was out there on the mountain hiking, hiking up the mountain, skiing down, hiking up the mountain, skiing down because no one was out there. I was like, this is perfect. I have a mountain to myself. I can train all day long and no one's here. And my dad says, it was that moment that I thought, maybe you have something because I'm nine years old, like out there. I mean, I literally could wring like buckets of water out of my clothes. Wow. I was done, but I was happy. I was so happy being out there. So that's always like the question I always wonder and ask people, right? Like, is it something that's innate in you already or is it something that you can work on? Like you already had that work ethic and passion, right? Because if you were doing that at six years old, I mean, everything else is kind of, it's easy to continue and be motivated when you have that. What's your opinion? Do you think that someone could kind of create that type of drive or is it more innate in them? I think it's a combination of, you know, environment cultivation and what you're innately given. You know, if you look at my family, I'm the oldest of five kids. Right. We all turned out very differently, even though we had the same parents and relatively same upbringing. My sister and I, who are closest to each other, we're four years apart. My dad jokes that we wake up eating raw meat like we are, like hungry. We're ready to go. We're tenacious. And the triplets don't have the same drive. They're very talented. They're very smart. But it's not that competitive drive. My sister has it more in business than in like she's not as physical as I am. Right. I'm obviously more of an I'm an athlete. Right. But, you know, so if you think about the environment, we grew up the same, you know, the same opportunities. And I'm the only one that really became a skier. Like my brother loved it, but, you know, he never really truly pursued it. So, you know, I think it was I was innately talented. Right. I had a drive within me. I love doing it. And I was cultivated by my parents, by my grandparents, like looking at my my grandparents and parents as role models, you know, how hard they worked. And, you know, that, you know, there was so much available to me. There's never a my family doesn't quit. You know, we're very driven, driven people. And I look at my grandfather and, you know, he would I would spend every summer with them, my grandparents. and you know he was basically a construction worker and he left the house before i woke up and he got back yeah right before we were going to bed and he just smelled of grease and sweat and he worked so hard my grandma my grandmother would wait up for him every night and have a bowl of ice cream waiting for him which is like the cutest but just that type of work ethic you know you see that every day and my siblings saw it but it didn't really sink in the same way that they did with me So I don't know. I think it's a combination of everything, but you can't push you can't you can only lead someone to water. You know, you can't push someone into it. My siblings were all very, very talented, but I'm the only one that became a skier. So it's so that's really that's so interesting, because I mean, by the way, a side note. Do you know that you're well, do you know, of course, you know, you wrote a book called Strong is a New Beautiful. A year after I wrote a book called Strong is a New Skinny. Oh, really? Yes. And they were both bestsellers. But yeah, not funny. And I never I never got a chance to tell you that. But that's funny. I forgot to mention when I saw you. Yes. Isn't that funny? We'll have to like trade books. I know. I was going to say like and I keep on forgetting. And then like, again, when I was reading your stuff, I'm like, oh, my God, I totally forgot about that. And so I thought that was very funny. But and I and I know it's not kind of. Yeah, it's really funny. But what I was going to say, I digress. But I was going to I was going to say that I'm a big believer that talent is is only a small piece. It really is what you do with it. There's a lot of people who are talented that basically waste it. There are a lot of people who are super smart, but they're not gritty enough and don't have the drive to go after it. So like it's the people that you could have just a morsel of talent. But if you have the ethic and work ethic, you can go like to like crazy places like you did. Like you said, your family, your sister. What do your brothers and sisters do now? Are they in business then or what do they do? Um, my sister that's closest to me has her own social media branding company. Oh, okay. My other brother is an architect. My other brother is a paralegal. And my sister is a consultant for philanthropy. So. Oh, wow. Yeah. So then your dad, you said, was also a downhill skier. Yeah. And what happened to him? Did he never make it to as far as you, obviously? Yeah, he blew his knee out when he was 18. Yeah. He was junior national champion. He was on an amazing, you know, trajectory. And he blew his knee out. And at that time, you know, that was that was it. He went to the best guy at the time who was doing like all the Green Bay Packer surgeries. He was, you know, from Wisconsin. And and yeah, that that's, you know, that's a career ender at that point. So he became a lawyer, a litigator, one of the best in the country. And really, yeah, he's he's he's very driven, very driven. Definitely get that from him. Wow. So you definitely take after your dad. Is your mom like that then? My mom's very driven. I mean, she's incredibly smart. She actually was the reason why I attended law school. She's incredibly smart. She's also very talented as well physically. She was great at squash and tennis, and she was just an amazing athlete. But yeah, I think I get my mom's positivity more so than anything else. How did you like – okay, so what was the training like back then? What was your day like when you were 10, 11, 12, before going to Salt Lake? Walk me through a day in the life of you. Well, I mean, I didn't live a normal life. I know. Well, when I'm so 12, you know, my mom and I moved to Colorado. We had an apartment like we just went out for the winter so I could train, train and veil. I went to an academy kind of part time and the rest of my siblings were at home with my dad. And it was a really challenging time. And then eventually the next year we moved out, like all of us moved out there together, except my dad was still working in Minnesota. So he was commuting almost every week back and forth from Minnesota to Colorado. I mean, I can't tell you how many. It's about 17 and a half hours from Minnesota to Colorado driving. We did that many, many times. My mom like raced back one night so I could make my middle school end of year party at the Six Flags theme park. Yeah, she drove through the night, like straight through the night. And we literally rolled up to Six Flags. Oh, my God. That is so cute. When I get out of the car, like, with all our, like, candy, you know, like, keeping us awake. And I rolled in, and I was, my mom was the best. That's, so I always hear these stories about people like yourself who had a really supportive family. That if it wasn't for the family unit being strong like that and, like, sacrificing, like, it sounds like your family did for you. Like, then, of course, thankfully, it paid off for you. So what would happen? So you'd move there. Like, what time would you have to wake up? How many hours are you skiing? Like what how many hours are you spending on technique? Like what is the tactical? I want to know like tactile. Like what is the things that you're practically doing daily to give people an idea like how much hard work went into it? Well, when I was a teenager, I mean, it was all still very strategic from like my dad's tenure plan. Right. It was about kind of building up to the right races at the right time. So, you know, my preparation period was, you know, summer we would go to, you know, Mount Hood in Oregon. I would train for like six, seven weeks. I would ski. I would we would literally be up before six o'clock every day beyond the mountain like seven, seven thirty and train until the snow is too soft to to ski. Then we'd have lunch. I take a nap. We do dry land training. So working out and we watch video. I'm like, you know, wow, that's already as at nine years old. And so that's how many hours before the snow you said would go down like five hours four hours yeah probably five hours yeah so five hours of skiing and then how long dry land workouts um yeah an hour an hour to two hours it depended I mean in summer camp like when I was a kid we would go on hikes you know and like there's this really long hike that takes you up to a lake and you know we would do games and things like that it wasn't you know incredibly difficult when I was a kid but you know obviously as I progressed and got older, the physical training got quite a bit harder. You know, the on-snow stuff was pretty similar. We're always working on technique, doing drills, doing training. That's all the same. But the physicality, you know, off the mountain got a lot harder. And when I was 15, I had to make the U.S. ski team and there's a physical test you have to pass. So my dad, you know, I had me doing 100 push-ups and 100 sit-ups every day mandatory. And then on the weekends, I would go on the track, the high school next to the house, I would run a mile. There's like different tests. I would do sprints for 40 and all those. No, no. Say what they are. I think this is like it's like 40 yard dash, like the 100, the 400, you know, like speed stuff. Yeah. It's like there was a and they don't have it anymore, but it was kind of a in some ways rudimentary, you know, test. It was like, how many pushups can you do in 60 seconds? Like it's kind of silly. But at that time, you know, I didn't I didn't have any structured training. So, you know, it was it was a hard thing for me to do. and at that point you know i realized i needed to shift gears and and do a lot more than i was to really make it to the next level and then when i made the team that's when it drastically changed because changed because they gave me a program that was the same as like a 27 year old and i'm like i don't know what i'm right right doing i'm doing like power cleans and i don't know how to you were doing power cleans at 15 yeah get out yeah and i i i i gained a lot of weight i I didn't know, you know, there was a lot of new things that were going on. Totally, yeah. And they also made me live in Park City, Utah, because it was right before the 2002 Olympics, and they kind of had everyone mandatory living out there. So there was a lot going on and a lot of sacrifice and, you know, a lot of me being away. And also without your parents, you know, like I was, so if you think about it, I've been traveling away from my parents since I was nine years old. Yeah. With a lot of unsupervised time. um so i kind of had to figure my way out through life you know on my own to a large degree um yeah like so you're you're independent like by yourself yeah so then you had to like legit like give up everything in your life like social life like no friends i never went to any proms or dances or like i never i i maybe had like three sleepovers my whole life like i never as a kid like i didn't have those same experiences. But I also was traveling the world at nine years old. You know, I had like my little wallet of, you know, all the different currencies. And I was so proud of myself. Yeah. The Italian lira and the German mark, Australian, Austrian shilling. And I, you know, it was like I was very independent and I was proud of that even though I missed a lot I still learned a lot I wouldn trade it I think I get sad more so sometimes that I missed on the educational part of school Not so much a socializing because you know you can do that anytime You really can. I mean, life is about choices, though, right? Like, you make choices and you, and even like, you know, that's like, you know, that's a microcosm of everything in life, right? Like, if you want to have this, you have to sacrifice that. Like, nothing in life is just like free for all. Yeah. Especially at this level of what you were talking about. What was the one quality that you think is why you were able to make it to the level that you did? Besides the work ethic and the drive and the grit. I mean, it was a lot to do with grit. I think I also, my dad would say I was mentally tough. You know, and he would say, he said that to me so many times as a kid. Like, you have to be mentally tough. And, you know, as a kid, you don't really know exactly what he's talking about. I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll do the pushups, you know, I'll do the running, you know, and that's tough, you know, but you don't really know what that is until later in life when things really get tough. And then, you know, that's a quick way to separate yourself or not, you know, so it's sink or swim. And so, you know, I had to figure my way through it. And, and I think that mental component, like being, being mentally very strong was something that separated me from the pack. And also like that all the injuries that you endured and still had the resilience to come back and go. Like that's what I think makes you like forget about distance skiing in general. Like I don't know anybody. Like that's how I know you. Like no of you. Seriously. Like I don't know about skiing people like as much as I would other sports. Yeah. But like the fact like how do you even like train for that type of your of that stuff? Like, how do you teach people how to have that ability to fall and then have the confidence to get right back up again and try again and not let that deter you from from keep on trying and trying? I mean, listen, life is about falling and getting back up. That's what life is. And I think that's what sports teaches kids very well. It teaches them how to fail. It's not about the winning or being the best at something. It's about I failed at something, but that's OK. hey, we're just going to pick ourselves back up and keep going, keep trying. And I felt a million times in skiing. Some of them were very bad. Some of them were not that bad. But it's about that process of don't let it hold you back. Otherwise, you're never going to do anything in life. If you're always afraid of falling, then you're not actually living. You're not skiing. You're just living in the past. So I'm very quick to forget about mistakes. I learn from them and I move on. Like, was there ever a time when, like, in all of that time that you fell and you were injured that you had any self-doubt or that you were like, you know what, like, I can't do this again. It's too much. It's too hard. This injuries. Like, you had those neat, like, you had some crazy shit happen to you. Some gnarly stuff, yeah. And like, it didn't, but you're still up there doing it and then you win again. I mean, like it's like it's legit crazy. I never thought that I couldn't do it. I was worried that my injuries, when I blew out my knee for the second time, I was worried that my meniscus was too damaged and I wouldn't be able to ski the way I wanted to again. I never thought I'm not capable of coming back. And once I'm on the snow, you know, that's my happy place. Right. You know, and that's why I work hard. I'm passionate about what I do. I love what I did. You know, I loved racing. There was no part about it that I didn't love, even the hard work. You know, it was not just about the winning, but the journey. Yeah. And it shaped me into who I am. And it's why I fought so hard to keep what I love. You know, I would do anything, you know, work as hard as humanly possible to come back from my injuries because I was being taken away from something I love doing. And you just said something that was, I think, very true. And it's for anybody. That's who you are, right? How do you even separate your Lindsay, regular Lindsay, this normal person, from this crazy, legendary skier? That is your identity, right? So if you're not doing it and now you're not even doing it because you retire, like I can't imagine on a like just on like a mental level. How are you like how do you cope with that or how do you kind of transition from that to now? It's been really hard. Yeah, it's been really hard. I mean, you know, I always knew that my career would end at some point. You know, every athlete, their career comes to an end. But, you know, to not have something that you love doing so much, not having that there anymore is is really hard. And and I had to figure out what is my identity outside of doing what I love. You know, it's for me, I had the analogy of skiing was my son and everything else revolved around it. What time I woke up, what I ate, how many, you know, business deals I did or, you know, interviews I did or how much how many hours I spent in the gym. that all revolved around skiing. So every decision was actually really easy to make, because skiing was always my number one priority. Wow. And so when that when I literally went to bed and woke up and the next day, it was gone. And I'm like, Whoa, okay, well, I have all these things. And I have all these amazing opportunities. How do I what do I do? How do I organize it? How do you know, what's the priority? What's my passion? Who am I, you know, is a lot to take in. It took me like a year and a half to really get like my feet underneath me. Really? That's it? I thought it'd take way longer than that. Like that's... Oh, that was a long time for me. I move at a fast pace. Exactly. I was going to say, like, I forgot who I was talking to, right? Like it's dog years, like a year and a half for you is like 12 and a half for most people. Literally. Yeah. I mean, literally. Yeah. I'm all about finding sustainable ways to optimize performance, the kind of work that actually moves the needle on how you feel and function. And that's why I really need to tell you about Prolon's five-day program. Most of us are chasing quick fixes that never get to the root of the problem. And the result is sluggish energy, brain fog, and bodies running below its full capacity. But Prolon changes that by triggering your body's natural repair and renewal process at the cellular level. It's not a cleanse or crash diet. 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Like, what is your identity without having that? Well, you know, a lot of people said I need to slow down. You know, it's not good to lead such a fast paced life. And I realized, why is it bad? Yeah. Why can't I work really hard and go after things that, you know, I want to achieve? Right. And so I've really leaned into that. You know, I felt I felt like I was being pushed, you know, to stop doing things I loved. And now, you know, I realize that, again, that's that's who I am. That's my personality. And I also through, you know, therapy, I'm like, what is it about skiing? What is the feeling that I get from skiing that makes me so happy? And I've I came to realize that it's the feeling that anything is possible. So when I sit on the starting gate, I look at it as this opportunity. You know, I can do anything I set my mind to. And, you know, when you work hard at something like you can do it. And that's what I miss. So I try to find that in things that I'm doing. And it's not my identity, but it's what drives me. And I'm always the same person that I always have been. Like, I'm just a girl from Minnesota who likes skiing fast, you know? And skiing is not my identity, but it's also like part of me. And I don't think that's a bad thing. You know, it's so interesting because like when people would talk about you to me, like Brad or whoever, everyone said the same thing. Like, she's so nice. She's so down to earth. She's a girl from Minnesota, like a normal person, you know? And like, I wonder, like, how do you keep your feet like on the ground? So, and it's authentic and it's real. I can vouch for it. Right. Because when you've, when you've reached such highs like that, and you've become like the best literally in the world at doing something and you know, you don't know any different. Right. Cause like, like you said, since you're nine years old, you were like doing all of this. You've never had like a regular life like most people in the world. Yeah. Right. Like, how were you able to kind of be that way? Is it just because you had great parents? I mean, it has to be more than that. Um, I think, you know, it's it's my family, like my siblings definitely are like, I don't care how many times you won. Like, I will always kick your ass, you know, like, it's that type of, you know, love that we have. And I I think, you know, I go back to Wisconsin with my family and my cousins and, you know, my aunts and uncles. And it's just it's all the same. Like we're all just, you know, roasting marshmallows on the fire pit and, you know, talking about life. And it's all the same. Nothing nothing changes. Like I'm not any more special than anyone else just because I want to ski race. Like we're all we're all the same. And, you know, again, I think skiing, I ski because I'm passionate about it, because I love it, not because I'm searching for fame or, you know, my priorities, I think, have always been in the right place. And so I've never deviated from like my morals and values and who I am. And, you know, I don't know, all those things I think together have helped just maintain who I am. Did you have to retire because of your injuries? Yeah. Because I would have kept going. Yeah. Like that was basically like you would have kept on going for sure right oh yeah like the year i retired i retired in february of 2019 and that was my last race to the world championships i'd had three surgeries that summer and i crashed in november and i tore my lcl and i had three three fractures in my syria so i was skiing on like nothing and it took me a month just to like of rehab just to get back to where I could ski like moderately okay and then I had to train just to get back like that last race and so it was I was I felt like I was being held together by duct tape like I was you know yeah I was hanging on by a thread legit like literally literally so I I knew when I crashed that last time in November I was like I can't I can't do this anymore and that was in my documentary that was kind of that moment when I'm in the hospital crying and and I like realized then I'm like this is this is it I can't I can't do this anymore I mean but so Lindsay has this a great it's a great documentary by the way on HBO it's great and your last book was called Rise and the first book was called Strong as the Beautiful yeah I think hilarious I just wanted to say that I guess like you can still technically you can still ski leisurely right like you're you're able to do all that. But you talked a lot about your mental health and depression and anxiety. And I would imagine skiing was a really amazing outlet for that. Yeah. Right. Because and also it's a great distraction. You have something to do. I'm great at distracting myself. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yes. Well, I would imagine. What do you distract yourself with now then? Just fitness stuff? Yeah. You're a hardcore fitness person now, too. Right. Mainly. I mean, I still work out as hard as I do because I need that kind of physical outlet. And, you know, again, like deep dive when I'm thinking about it, when you're racing, you're also very present. Like there's no room for social media or, you know, what people are saying about you or what I have to do tomorrow or like what business deal I have. You are so present. There is no room for anything else. Otherwise you literally could die. So for me, you know, I miss that as well, just being able to block out all the noise. And when I'm in the gym, I have that same feeling. Like I am just focused on me working really hard. And it's nice to shut. It's like my meditation almost, you know, everyone likes to do that Zen stuff. And I, my Zen is like kicking my own ass, you know, that's, that's, and people, you know, again, it's like, I don't know, some people criticize me for it, but I really don't care. It's, this is what I need to do. I mean, that's to me, this whole, it's such nonsense. What, like, because you're, because I always say also, also my meditation is like running because it zens me out and I get my best ideas and I think really well. A lot of people say that. Right? Yeah. And they're like, no, you have to sit there on a pillow and do this whole, I'm like. Everyone's different. Everyone's different. Yeah. I think it's so ridiculous to think that every, that should be working for everyone across the board. Correct. Are you able to run with the knees that you have? Absolutely not. No, you can't run. I haven't run. I've run once since 2013 and it was a horrible, horrible idea. Oh, I can only imagine. I like made it eight minutes and then I was like dragging my leg behind me. I can't even imagine. So what do you do for cardio then now? Biking, elliptical. And how much would you do a day? I mean, I minimum do 30 minutes biking, elliptical minimum 20. And then I'll usually go an hour if I have the time. But I would rather do like 30 minutes and then do like a hot cold contrast. Right. Then like an hour and and no contrast. I think for me and like the inflammation that I get in my knees and my body, it's important for me to do that. So do you do time management? Like I do as much as I can with the time I have. I was going to say, so like how much time are you dedicating to, okay, I want to know all of that stuff. I want to know like exactly what you, how you work out. Like this is like, now this is what I like to do, right? So do you like how much you're working out of, like, what is your daily regimen now? And then, but before you tell me your daily regimen now, I want to work chronologically. You said what you were doing when you were 12. Okay. Then when you were like hardcore, like in the midst of like really in it, what was the day in the life? Like how much were you training? What were you doing? Were you working on balance? Were you working on like hand-eye coordination? Like I love all this. Have you watched Formula One? The, you know, these, um, I know those guys so well, I don't want to watch it. It's like going to ruin me. Yeah. I'm like, I'm the only person in the United States that's like, watch Formula One since forever. But I, you know, I've watched like what's good for people to understand the drivers and like why it's so difficult. Yes. You know, the complexities with the team. And it's very it's very interesting. But yeah, if you're talking about like me in my prime, I was doing three workout sessions a day. I would work out before breakfast, which is what time I need to detail. OK, details. So I would work out usually eight to nine cardio and then I would have breakfast. What kind of cardio at that would you do? Usually biking, usually interval biking so that I could get my metabolism going. It was more of like a like a hit, you know, workout and training for an hour. Yeah. OK, but not, you know, I was all my cardio workouts were very controlled by heart rates. So, you know, I did like steady state. So, you know, you're going five minute intervals at 150 to 155 beats per minute. Or, you know, I was doing threshold workouts where it's a shorter time, like two to three minutes at, you know, 170 to 180. You know, it was very, very specific and very specific reasons. You know, in ski racing, you're only actually skiing for about two minutes. Yeah. But you have to also sustain that type of endurance for the whole winter. So we obviously, you know, you train for three to four minutes, you know, at that same pace. So you can maintain that endurance throughout the season. So, yeah, cardio in the morning for an hour, usually breakfast, you know. What would you eat for breakfast? usually eggs some sort of you know vegetable omelet whatever and fat like this i had almond butter and a banana as well something like that now i do a lot of protein shakes after i work out i still love working out in the morning okay but protein shake right after then i would take a little break i would do weight lifting usually two hours of weight lifting at least or else athletic training. So I'd be on the track doing agilities, sprints, hill sprints, sled pushes, like kind of all that Like functional stuff Yeah all that functional fitness So again it would rotate between strength and functional fitness And then I would have another snack break a nap and then I would do another afternoon cardio session And then after dinner either I have a protein shake and massage, or I would have dinner and then a massage. And what would you have for dinner? Protein. I try not to have carbs at night. So I would always have carbs in the afternoon. in the morning sometimes i had oatmeal as well but wow okay so how about fruit were you a fruit person though because it's not that was never your thing i know i like the bananas and almond butter thing but it's not really my thing so then how would you like fruits and vegetables i know well now do you eat the but you look i mean listen you're still like in amazing shape i mean it's like you're probably not doing the three definitely not regimented i mean why would you be right but but wait a second so i'm like so fascinated with this so then you do these three like three workouts a day then you're eating very precisely so that even then like you can't go out for dinners you can't do anything because i do sometimes but only on the weekends so like yeah but okay seven days there's seven days a week obviously so i would do those three sessions probably monday tuesday wednesday half day thursday friday saturday half day sunday off Did you ever get tired? Like, was your body tired? No, I had built up, like, you work out your whole life and you build into that. Like, you don't just wake up one day and say, I'm going to do three sessions today. No, of course not. But like, you get that there's a physical, you know, endurance level, you're able to sustain that type of, you know, working out. I think there was a point in which I was working out too much. Yeah. But I was just winning all the time. So I was like, why am I changing my routine if it's working? but then you know obviously i got injured then and i had to change everything i did so when you get injured are you not able when you broke your ankle like i mean that's a massive injury like how long does that take you out for like months right like it's like six weeks that's it i mean i'm in a ski boot so it's kind of like a cast it's kind of yeah you're right so you can get away with it a little bit more it's always negotiation this is amazing this is like the part that I find fascinating. Like how I went to a doctor's office and like, okay, you tell me eight weeks, I tell you six weeks, you know, like that's, we go back and forth and every doctor knows that I'm going to push, push the limits. But I always know, like, I know my body well enough. And I also know medicine well enough. I, I can read if you ever get hurt, I'll read your MRI. Really? I know what I'm talking about. Like, I don't just, you know, blindly say, you know, I don't care what you say I'm going to come back faster. Yeah, I know exactly what I'm doing. And, and I will read the MRIs. And I'll, I'll know I've made mistakes in my life. And I will not make that mistake again. Because you know, it's interesting, like, God, like, you know, you're very lucky, because you did as much as you've gotten hurt, nothing that was catastrophic, like going that fast. Yeah, I mean, people have been paralyzed. I've people lost their legs. I've seen it many times. And like, nothing like nothing like that, thankfully, has ever happened to you. That's my perspective. It could always be worse. That's a great, that's a great mindset. No matter how bad of a day you're having, it can always be worse. That's a great mindset to have like that. And you really think this way all the time? Yeah. I mean, I got that perspective from my mother. You know, she had a stroke when she gave birth to me and she was disabled with her ankle. So she couldn't, her balance was really bad. So she couldn't run. She never skied with me. Like she, she really struggled physically. And, you know, she was brilliant. She's a lawyer. But, you know, because she couldn't do those physical things with us, you know, that didn't stop her from trying. And it also didn't stop her from being positive. She was always positive. And so, you know, when I get injured, I'm like, well, if I have surgery, if I work hard, I can come back. My mom doesn't have that luxury. So I owe my mother and myself to push myself to get back. See, I love that. I love your attitude and your mindset. And it's also like it's because it's real, right? Like this is like, no, you're like a living proof of it. Like you actually live it. You're not just saying these words. Like a lot of people, like motivational people like, oh, yeah, just a lot. They've never done a damn thing in their life, right? But you actually have. I mean, where did the depression and anxiety kind of start coming in? At what age? And like, and it doesn't sound to me, I mean, I don't know you that well. but it sounds like you're you already trained your brain to be very positive and to look at the glass you know half full yeah so like what was kind of happening that that was it was when i was a teenager you know i i was living in park city by myself when i was 16 years old and you know it was really hard i had no support really and i was really depressed and i was just pretty lost and And, you know, my depression like ebbed and flowed in my career. There are times when no matter how successful I was, I felt extremely alone. And, you know, also after so many injuries, you know, sitting at home in your bed by yourself in pain, it's not a great place to be. Right. So I think I've, again, learned different coping mechanisms. And when I skied, skiing was an outlet for me. Like I find so much joy in skiing also because eventually when I was older, I used it as a crutch. You know, that was like my that was me dealing with everything that I had going on, like any personal. The reason why I always still was successful, despite all the shit that was happening around me, is because I internalized it. I use it as fuel. And then when I skied, I let it all out. Right. So that was my therapy. Totally. and then what is and now is the therapy and then do you feel like the anxiety has subsided because it's sounds more circumstantial based on where you were in your life I think it was pretty circumstantial um but again like it ebbs and flows and I think it's always it for me I try to just have a balance yeah you know I I've been I've journaled since I was nine and it's just a wave I didn't have anyone really you know especially when I was on the road so yeah it's like that was how I balanced everything and I still do it. And so I think it's everyone finds their, you know, their way of managing themselves. And so I've had different escapes in my life, but now I feel like I'm in a good place where I really, I'm very, I'm pretty balanced, you know, even though like if I, if my mother had died and I wasn't in the place that I was, I don't know if I'd be functioning. Right. You know, so I, I'm happy with, you know, what I've learned in my life to get me to this place where I'm okay. And what, like, what is, like, where are you now? Like, I mean, I don't mean it physically, but I mean, you know, you, you know, you wrote, you write the books, you start a production company, you invest in businesses, you're very entrepreneurial with the goggles. And what else do you have? The goggles? I have my ski line. Your ski line? Yeah, I, I, I'm now an advisor to a, of sports fund, actually, with Avenue capital. So there's like a lot of things that investment side of it. Yeah. I'm really excited about it. Like Michael Strahan and Candace Parker and Steph Green. That's a great, that's great. Yeah. I'm really excited. Are you going to be doing like the sports vertical, I guess? We're solely sports. So Avenue is like, you know, such a successful group and we're just specifically on this sports fund. Wow. So does that mean all investments that you do will go throughout Avenue or? Yeah. Well, at least for the sports side. Yeah. For the sports side. I still will have my individual you know investments like i invested in lafc and real salt lake and i saw that that's so cool i love that i love investing in women i love you're also a great i mean like legitimately a great role model for for women right because like i said like there's so especially like here and with social media and there's so many people who are posers or like they say these they they talk a lot they give a lot of advice but they've never lived it worked it done it I think it's hard for kids is also decipher, you know, what that means. And there's so much disinformation and Instagram is not reality. And most people, you know, even like the last couple of days, I mean, like, oh, you're everywhere. You're doing everything. You're so, you know, you live such a great life. I'm like, I'm fucking tired. Yeah, exactly. You know, like I'm so tired. I've been, you know, traveling nonstop and I love it. But it's also not glamorous. You know, it's I'm trying to get from point A to point B as fast as I can to get to something else. And I love that. I love that hustle. But it is not glamorous and Instagram is not real. And so I don't envy kids these days because it is a very hard world. It's terrible. And especially even just talk about mental health, right? Like the mental health has gone like. It hurts me as an adult to like mentally be OK reading the comments that come on my feed. And especially terrible for kids, that's those bullies are coming from their inner circle. I at least can pretend that to some, you know, somebody living in their mother's basement, you know, 100 percent, you know, it's easy for me to pretend. But for kids like these are that's actually my classmate that I thought I was friends with. 100 percent. It's really, really awful. And it's horrible. I do spend. Do you spend a lot of time on social media, though, or not really? I try not to. I mean, I can't say that I'm immune to it. I definitely have a lot thicker skin that I used to. I have to. But, you know, I try to use my platform in a positive way. You know, I try to show people like how hard I'm working and what you can do. And, you know, with my injuries, you know, there's I get so many messages from especially from teenagers who are in high school or college sports and they've blown their knee out and they're asking me for advice or help. and even professional athletes that are asking me for help. And that's what I love. I think social media can connect you in amazing ways. It's not all about people hating you, but sometimes those are the only comments that you see. Right. And it's hard to shut that out of your mind as well. I agree. It's always that way. You could have a million positives. You just see the ones. You just see that one negative, and that can just spiral you out of control. I have a filter on things that if people say, I don't see it. Could you, how do you filter out just negative comments? It's just keywords. You have like a keyword filter. Really? Yeah. I didn't know you were able to do that. Oh my gosh. Get into that. I know. I know. I had no idea. I should really kind of, can you tell me afterwards how to do that? Show me. I will. I had no idea. Yeah. Because that would be so helpful. People swear. They say like, I hope you die. Like that's. But also some of this is this nonsense. Like these are people most of the time. There's some pretty messed up people out there. It's actually dangerous more than anything. I find you have to be super, super careful because now people are so much more, it's easier to get. That's why I have a tenant defense dog. You what? I have a defense dog. You do? Yeah. I feel safer. Because with social media and everyone knows where you are, and it's just, I feel safer. That's amazing. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I didn't know this. So wait, so she's not here. I don't feel threatened. I'm glad. I don't, I don't, I don't think that I think that you could probably puddle with you. I was going to say, but I feel like faith that you could probably like, like demolish me yourself. But okay. But what's your routine now that you said? Like you, you don't, you're not as obviously as vigorous as you were, but you work out every morning for how, what's your routine now? It's not every morning, but I mean, it's like, it depends on travel. Like for example, this morning. How long are you away now this time? In this location, I'm here for two and a half days. Okay. I go to another location for two days, another location for two days, and then I'm home. God, Christmas. I'm so excited. Oh, my gosh. It's crazy. So exciting. Yeah. But it's good. I mean, like, I'm going to see my dad on the weekend, so that'll be nice. Or on Monday, I forget what day of the week it is, get to see some kids. I'm going to stop by the ski school and say hi to some kids. It'll be good. But, like, for example, this morning. So I woke up at 730. I was on the bike by eight. I did 40 minutes of cardio. I did 10 minutes of sauna. I jumped in the pool, which is not heated. It's really, really cold. Like a cold plunge then basically. Basically. Yeah. And then I took a shower and I was on a board call at nine o'clock. I had hair and makeup come at 1015. I was on the board call while I was finishing hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I left at 11 o'clock, went to my first TV show, and then I had another podcast and then I had you. What podcast did you do before me? Doing Wade. Oh, okay. Not like it makes a difference. I'm just wondering. I'm like, oh, okay. Let me share my daily routine game changer with you. It's the Momentus 3. 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Trust me, you'll be happy you did. do you do the red light you believe in the red light for like a like a what red light like in general like infrared like no just like red light therapy like would you ever you know i like i have a bad whatever like ultraviolet no just like a red light like i guess you would call it well i have like an infrared light set like sauna that those yeah that's infrared yeah but i'm talking about a red light for your face like do you ever do any red light for injuries, for inflammation? Listen, I think there are some strong enough lasers or red lights, however you want to call them, that can stimulate healing. Yeah. Is it going to fix you? Absolutely not. No, they're not going to fix you. No. Is it going to make it feel slightly better? Maybe. Is it worth it? Probably not. Probably not, right? Normally, if you have a problem, if you have pain somewhere, it's usually coming from somewhere else. So, and normally I would say most people can't figure out what, where that is, where it's coming from. So you need to go to, that's a hard thing. I can't even recommend somebody or something because most people won't be able to figure it out. But chiropractors are pretty good at figuring it out. Like when my rib goes out, it's because my right hip is too tight. It's pulling me. Yes. So, you know, but that to me, I agree with you, but you have to be, you have to go to someone who's really good and knowledgeable. And that's the really hard part. So sometimes I just say, you know, manage it the best you can because your body will adapt. Unless you can really dig in and do the therapy to get it back, you're better off just kind of adapting to the way it is, unless it's pain. It's super painful. But like when my ribs go out, it's really painful. So I have to figure it out. That's really painful. Do you ever get sciatica? No. You ever get that? Do you prefer sauna or the cold plunge? What do you think is a better, like a more, like a better modality if you have to pick one or the other? Well, so you're not supposed to do cold plunges after you weightlift. Right, right, because it doesn't, it doesn't. It stops, so when you, you're actually tearing your muscle. Yeah. I thought it also does. So it stops your bleeding. So it restricts your vein. So like you're not, you're not able to recover. You're not able to repair. So it's like you're not building anymore. It stops. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Say that again, because that's interesting, because I want to make that into a clip for people. I'm not a doctor. You're probably no more than most doctors, by the way. But say that again. So this is what my trainer told me, and I believe everything he says. But if you go into a cold plunge after you weight lift, when you weight lift, your muscles are being torn apart. You're actually tearing your muscle. And then it rebuilds on top of itself to make it even stronger. So if you jump into a cold plunge right after, you're stopping not only the tearing, it's bleeding, your muscles bleeding. It's not going to be able to repair itself. It's not going to be better than what it was. Right, right, right. It's going to stop the healing. So normally you should get in a cold plunge after a cardio. Cardio is fine. You're not building anything besides cardiovascular strength. Totally fine to jump in a cold plunge. The sauna is good, but sometimes for me, if I jump into the sauna without the cold plunge, I'll get too inflamed. Really? Yeah. If you jump into the sauna without the cold plunge? Yeah. So I'm a little bit odd in that with all my surgeries, when I go into a hot tub, when I go into a sauna, my circulation gets going and then my knee starts to blow up. Wow So I have to be like really conscious of how long I in there and make sure I get into the cold plunge after And like I my body is a constant like it a job to work really hard just to maintain it And part of the reason not only for my mental standing do I go into the gym, but I also have to to not hurt. If I stop working out, I will literally fall apart. I mean, I totally understand what you're saying. I feel you on that. But at the same time, you have to be so careful with all that you got to work around so many of these injuries. I know how to do that. Right. So you try to be like you adapt. Yeah. So I know what I have to do. What's you know, if something's hurting, you know, where it's coming from, you know, when I am not able to work out enough, my back starts to hurt because I'm not doing the posterior chain work. You know, it's it's all correlated and every every cause has an effect. And when you understand your body better and, you know, through working out through therapy, you can self heal yourself in a lot of ways. Like you can figure out how to make things better on your own without therapy. And I have to do that because I I don't have access all the time to therapists anymore. Right. But it's something that you learn. You know, it's not I didn't just wake up and, you know, I'm a professional athlete. So I must know what I'm dealing with. A lot of professional athletes don't know. Right. They couldn't tell you why something hurts or, you know, I have back pain and they have no idea that it's coming from their hip flexors. There's a lot of athletes that don't know. So it's something that you can learn. It's not just professional athletes. Everyone can learn more about their body and being more and more in tune with it and feel better because you understand it better. Is there anything that you can like tell us me that work that you found that works really well that maybe is not so mainstream like a sauna or a cold plunge that it's a different modality that yeah like another type of honestly like because when you sit all like I sit a lot I'm in planes a lot you know most people sit a lot in the office yeah any type of like chest stretching like open your thoracic yeah is that changed my life because I'm always and I'm hunched I'm you know my hip flexors so if i can do like you know lunge stretching with like my you know my arms like getting like my my lats my lats my lats my chest like my stretching my chest helps me so much really which is i honestly never would have thought of that but i have this amazing therapist lorenzo and he he's like a chiropractor he's a freaking magician but anyways most of my problems come because my chest and hip flexors are too tight. So like stretching, it's not like muscular stretching. It's like your mobility. Mobility. Yeah. It's mobility stretching. Do you believe in supplements? I do take anything like collagen or, you know, omega threes or what? I feel like I'm so broken that like, that's just not going to help me. Like I'm not just like duct tape my I mean, I do still take like collagen and protein powder and I do B12 and like vitamin D3 just because in the winter I don't see the sun enough, but nothing like nothing more than that. I could get more into it, but I honestly, and a lot of people, a lot of studies, a lot of doctors tell me that it does help, but I honestly just don't think it does. Yeah. You know, it's so interesting. I find, cause I find that the biohacking group of people, I speak to so many of these people and And they'll tell you 97 things that they do in their morning routine where it's such a long list where it's practically dinner time by the time they finish their morning routine. Most people don't have that kind of time. I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's so unrealistic. Yeah. But the people who are actually like you, let's say, it's like they don't buy into this. They don't believe in that. Like a lot of it's like a moneymaker, really. You know what I mean? Like it's the basics that really work. Well, everyone wants to be young. Everyone wants to be young. There's a lot of money to be made. You know, people want to profit. and use you for that. And honestly, it's like you got to live your life. There's a balance. Take care of yourself. Yes. Eat right. Do the things you can do, but also have some ice cream. Do you eat ice cream? Yeah. You do? Yeah. How often are you eating ice cream? My friends for my birthday, they Instacarted me eight cans, containers of Ben and Jerry's. Did you eat them all? Not all of them. But like I sit down, you know, and I'm like I have a really bad day and I'll watch Law and Order and I'll go to town. Yeah. It's something like my like my family always did together. It's like my both my parents were lawyers. And the only thing we ever did was Law and Order Saturday Night Live. And for some reason, like it makes me feel better. Right. Like Olivia Benson, Mariska, now that we're friends, like it literally makes me extremely happy. Wow. that like she makes me feel better that is amazing my family would watch gold me and my sister my mom my dad never watched it but golden girls and it's because of that it's like it's so nostalgic if i see it on tv now i still like it makes me feel so much better yeah yes exactly yeah so you're not someone who's like i'm a vegan i won't eat this i'm like an intermittent faster balance you know like are you an intermittent faster no okay good no i the only thing on this podcast isn't the only thing i do i would highly recommend like i did the um the glucose testing i did a couple months of that just like see you know what my what my body was reacting to one thing that i recommend not doing is eating any food on a plane ever because of the hot of the high sodium or is it i don't know what they're putting in it but it is it did not sit well with me my that is like i could eat three gallons of ice cream and it wouldn't spike my insulin as much is like anything I ate on an airplane. Really? Like anything? So like, I don't know what they're putting in it. I don't know. Any airline, I'm not naming any, like it was anything that I touched. And I don't know. Some people say it's because it's high altitude, which I think is totally BS. I think it's mainly just there's preservatives and sugars and because they want it to taste good. All these extra things. And my insulin just spiked so high. So I do not eat on planes. I always pack my own food that I carry with me, even if it's a short flight, I also have some almonds, but I never eat on planes. That's a great tip, actually. That's a really great tip. Lots of water. Yeah. And also because you can feel it, right? You feel when you eat that food. Oh, I feel so bad. If something happens and I don't have my food and I'm starving and I have to eat something, I feel horrible. Yeah. No, I totally agree. And it's like you feel horrible for days after too. It's not just for an hour. And my knee swells. you know my knee is like it's kind of like a little like health meter i was gonna say it must be right like yeah that's crazy i travel too much like any of the any of the things drink too much wine it's just it's like you drink you drink alcohol often not often uh only tequila lobos oh yeah okay right only tequila that's right yeah what's it called lobos yeah and i'm an investor You are? Mm-hmm. Okay. Is it a premium tequila? It's premium. Yeah? Yeah. I mean, they have, you know, Mezcal and Añejo, Extra Añejo, Hoven, Reposado. See, I'm not a drinker, but if I do drink, that's the only thing I'll do. It doesn't make me swell. I check my insulin. Like, it's the only thing that doesn't spike me. I used to be a really heavy gin and tonic or gin and ginger ale. And gin, I love gin, but it's a pretty big depressant. More than, like, vodka? Yeah. Really? Vodka is just alcohol and water. And so what is gin? Isn't that the same? I don't know. It's a longer fermentation and there's also more sugar in it. So that's why it becomes more of a depressant? I think so. I'm pretty sure. Really? To my knowledge. I didn't know that. How about whiskey? I know nothing about alcohol. Don't quote me on this podcast. I don't know about whiskey, but I'm 99% sure that's accurate. Really? Okay. So you eat every meal. So you eat your breakfast, your lunch, your dinner. You eat meat. You eat chicken. You eat everything. I eat vegan. I have Beyond Meat. I have just eggs. I have a balance. Like, I'm not... You're not crazy about the food. No. Were you ever, when you were in your prime, prime training, like, did you ever get body issues or body image issues? Yeah, for sure. Because I would feel like... When I won the Olympics, I started to be on, like, red carpets for things. And I'm like, I look around me, I'm like, I don't look like anyone else here. And, you know, I would go do fittings. And they're like, yeah, this sample size doesn't fit you. and I'm like okay well how do what do I do can I wear something like you know it was definitely apparent that I wasn't the norm and I definitely had some body images body image issues after that but it was only like two-year stint and I just was like f it I'm good how did you get over it though that's like one thing that I would think I lost the world cup title by three points and I got over it real quick. Really? Yeah. So do you think that was, do you think that affected your really? I didn't eat as much as I should have. And I just, I was more conscious of the way I looked instead of just working as hard as I could. And I definitely think it had an effect, especially on the beginning half of my season. And I lost by three points and, and it was a tough pill to swallow, but I, I got over it pretty quick. And then ever since then, you're like, I'm not, to win anymore. I'm not, you know, my body has a purpose and I want to win. And, you know, if I don't look the same, that's fine. You know, it's so interesting to hear you say that because I remember like the, I think the things that, you know, you kind of hear in the back is like, you were like, you were known to be like the hottest, like girl athlete. You don't, you're looking at me like I'm crazy. You were like, don't you, you must know, you must have heard this. You were like sports illustrated swimsuit. You did the Maxim stuff. Yeah, but no Maxim stuff. I'm also like, I don't know. I'm not, I don't have like a. You've never heard this before? This could be the first time you're hearing this. No, I don't view myself in that way. But I'm happy to be like, I'm happy that, you know, a strong athlete is in like swimsuit issue because I think that's important. 100% agree with you. But I don't look at myself as like, ooh. but you don't remember like maybe it just because in the zeitgeist you know you hear these things and it's because it's you you don't realize it's you you know i mean it's like that was you that's that's you yeah but that's how it's interesting when you hear girls like yourself who had a bot like who had that body image or you had that like a little bit of that stint of insecurity with you how you looked when you're obviously so beautiful i mean you really are and that's all in the eye of the beholder. It's not obvious. Yeah, but I'm telling you, that was the hot, super hot girl athlete. You don't remember this? Do you remember? But this is also the problem. Do you know me more for that or do you know me for winning? Personally, I remember you for being a badass. If there's going to be a real female badass, it would be you. like that's what I remember because this girl was like fear like that's how I remember you fearless resilient because I remember you just kept on coming back for more more more like you would get hurt like I thought wow this talk about a role model for women and for girls and for young girls this is like there's no one better because like you would show like you know it doesn't matter like if you this if you had if you got knocked down you got injured you got hurt you got right back up. And not only did you get back up, you proved that you can still be, you can still win. You can still do all these things. Like to me, that's what makes you legendary in my mind, because no, it's the truth. And so like, I have a little girl and funnily enough, I think that you're on, there's this app called, actually you have to get involved in this app now. It's called Legends. And it's, oh my, you should be, I'm not even joking. You're perfect. The app is basically a confident app for kids. No way. Yeah. And you do five minutes of these, these, these very specific training sessions and it helps build children's confidence at a young age because it starts when you're young. Yeah, of course. And they have all the best, like the people from Scholastic and all these people who help put it together. And they, they start them by giving people these like very powerful stories of people like role models like they did a Michael Jordan one I really believe that you are you were one of them well I honestly I want to like get in touch with them no I have my foundation like our purpose is to help underserved girls and like empower them yeah scholarships and programs so I've been trying to find a way to build a community of girls and empower them and i want to yeah i'm gonna get it i want this app i'm telling you like you would be a perfect person to be partnered with them because with your foundation especially because you are like like like you are the legend that they are talking about but like i will tell you because like my little girl she's eight years old and it gives her like she wants to be a dancer like you know she's eight years old and she hears these stories from women and girls who've gone after their dreams and like actually like accomplish them and it changes their their mindset it changes their brains and she believes now that she can be a dancer or she could perspective it's all perspective yeah i want to get you in touch with them okay i really want to do that no i'm i'm not to be on it but like i want to give that to my girls you should how many how big so can you just tell me i know it's probably like i'm gonna wrap this right after this but i want to hear about your foundation because i think it's a really beautiful thing that you're doing thanks well Well, we have scholarships and empowerment programs for underserved girls, and we've given over a million dollars in scholarships. Wow. I'm at every camp. So we have these like weekend camps where we have a curriculum, our own curriculum. We just developed our own curriculum and we just basically teach them about grit and like how to be confident and build good friendships. And we'll also talk a little bit about like financial literacy and cyber bullying, like just giving them the tools to be able to navigate life and tell them that they can. You wouldn't believe how many kids that I've spoken to where actually their parents told them they'll never be good at something. And they quit. You know, they'll quit soccer because one person told them an offhanded comment like they're not good at it. You know, and they're so sensitive. and especially in this world with social media, like one little comment and they're done. And so I'm trying to get them the tools to be able to reframe that negativity and, you know, allow themselves to believe in what they're doing and who they are. So I don't know, it's more than just scholarship. It's really about empowerment. What would be the one tip you would tell young girls, young people who have self-doubt, that they didn't have a dad like yours who said, you know what, let's do this. Let's write out a 10-year plan. Well, my dad wasn't always there. And there are a lot of people that told me that I couldn't do it. And if you don't believe in yourself, no one else will. So you have to believe in what you're doing. And it's easier said than done. But if you truly want something, then you have to believe in it and you have to go after it, which means working hard. A lot of kids, especially kids, expect that when they say they want to be something, it's going to be manifested and magically appear. Nothing in life is easy. We just have to work hard to get to where we want to go. And if we fall and we get back up, then that's it. I love that. Thank you. My God, Lindsay, I'm so happy that you came with this podcast. No, seriously. I'm so glad we got introduced to each other. I really am. I love, I think you're so inspirational. Really, I really do. For old women too. I think it's amazing because you are like, you're just such a great role model for someone who says they're going to do something, follows through, does it, shows people that they can. I really think like, you're just, you should be very proud of yourself. I'm serious. It's amazing. I'm thankful that I had a good family teaching me. Yeah. But you know what? Like true, but you really, like you really are super inspirational. And I've never really, I wouldn't say that if I didn't, I'm not just saying that because you're sitting on the podcast. I don't think you're the kind of person that would say that. I wouldn't. I wouldn't at all. So I appreciate it. Thank you. No, it's amazing. Guys, you have to watch the HBO. I love all those kind of documentaries, but like yours is really great. And her book is Rise. Of course, the other one's Strong is a New Beautiful. And the Strong is a New Skinny. We the Montana. We should do like a Buy Them together. Who's your publisher? Harper Collins. Okay, mine was Random House, but that is hilarious. It's really funny. And you know what I would always tell people? Oh, sorry. Okay, guys, go get her books and we'll check you out later. Oh, also on social media, what is your handle? It's just my name, Lindsay Vaughn. There you go. Or Lindsay Vaughn Foundation. Oh, yes. The foundation, which is amazing. Thank you. With an E. Oh, with E. That's true because I always would, I spelled it with an A and I couldn't, I got screwed up. It's a thing. It's with an E. It's an E. I know. And two N's, right? Yes. V-O-N-N. Good. Thank you. Thank you. you