Episode #80 Featuring Lori "ICE" Fetrick! The QUEEN of American Gladiators UNFILTERED! Life, Health, Longevity, American Gladiator Stories, Testosterone for women and MORE!!

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So because of this, I want to share them with the world. Use my Coke Dillon for an extra 10% off and start to treat your mind and body today with Tronum. Alright, everybody, welcome back to the Dillinger Mellie podcast. So today is a really special one for me. I was a huge, huge fan of American Gladiators when I was a kid. I watched it every single Saturday with my dad and we never missed a week. And my guest today is literally by far the most well-known female that was, and I would argue one of the most well-known in general on the show. So that's one of the main things that she's known for. But I don't want to just focus on that. We're going to get into that because it's important to me to talk about it. But there's a lot of other things that she's done past that that really propelled her into being very well-known in wellness, fitness. She's inspirational to women and really man over 50 on the way that you've been able to take care of yourself and the things that you talk about. I mean, you've been on a ton of shows. You've collaborated with huge names. You've done a book. You've done a lot. We're going to get into all of that and we're going to have some fun like we were just having before. So I am really excited because like I said, I watched the hell out of you and I was when I was growing up, we really, really spent a lot of time. And that actually helped encourage me with training at a very young age. So you'd be surprised that you wouldn't know like the impact you've had on people as they grow. So anyway, my guest, Laurie, ice, Patrick. Thank you. It's great to have you here. Thanks for coming. So it's really, it's cool how we met because I actually, one of my first podcasts when I started doing this, I was trying to approach different people in health and wellness. And I don't remember how it was, but somehow I got introduced to Jim. Yes. And he was one of my first guests. And then, you know, he's obviously talked to you about some things and with your doing a show after 60 there that you just did, which we're going to talk about. So that's how we got connected was me giving you a little bit of a little bit of help just in, you know, nothing crazy, but enough, I hope. And definitely helped for sure. And Jim speaks very highly of you. You know, some people like to bullshit about me, but now he Jim is phenomenal. He is such a good dude. Like as soon as I met him, I was like, wow, this guy is incredible. He obviously speaks very highly of you. So I want to talk about all of this. I know where to start. It's funny when you said you've done this and this and this. And once in a while, I do sit back and you went, I have done a shit ton. I've done a lot. And everybody's like, aren't you tired? Don't you want to just retire? And I'm like, no, let's go. It's going to go. How do you, how do you keep going? And I not listen. I am Mr. Anti-Asian. So I don't look at anybody in 50, 60s, whatever that wants to tell me, oh, they're getting older. How do they do it? But in fairness, it does get a little tough. You have to do things smarter as you get older. So what is what is some of the keys to you keep in going? Because it seems like you go to pretty rapid rate. I know, right? Every time I think about it, I'm like, okay, I'm tired. Just think about what I've done. I'm like, maybe I should slow down. No, I actually, I contribute a lot of my energy and keep going in new projects and everything to honestly hormone replacement therapy, HRT. Without that, because I can tell even when I run low, my energy run low, my energy runs low. My zest for life kind of drops off. It's like we talk about, you feel kind of dead inside. And so I'm like, that I contribute huge to anti-aging, to my energy, to just life in general, feeling good. Because that's the one thing about once these hormones die or these stop producing, especially for females in our, what you call it, menopause stage, you do. Most women, they just kind of go underground and all of a sudden they just kind of like, no, I'm just going to grow old gracefully. I'm like, why? You don't need to. And thank God just recently the black box label just finally came off. I mean, after how many years? I mean, it's insane. I've been battling it on my end as a coach and somebody that understands it for well over a decade. Yeah. And it's the stigmas and the misunderstandings. It's insane. Tell me this on your end because you know, I still have trouble with women that don't grasp the concept that they need testosterone or they get freaked out. We even broaching HRT that they're going to get man attributes. I was going to say first of all, it's coming from a man. Right. And a lot of women don't want it. They though, well, they don't understand my body. They don't know. And so no matter what degrees you have, no matter what you've done in your life, they still go, it's still a man telling you what to do. You know, that's the first thing. You know, but then again, even when I talk about it, you know, they're just like, they kind of come back and they kind of kick back. So I didn't mean to interrupt your question. But the women are, they're still scared of it. You know, they're still scared of it. Even though it came off, they don't understand it. They don't understand the study. It's almost like they don't want to. And it's like, I don't quite get that. You know, and they're like, well, you know, this is the way our bodies are made. And it's like, that disagree with you on that. Early on, and I kind of told you the coaching I've done with Bonnie builders and pros in my, I was doing a lot of YouTube stuff to my wife said, you have got to start catering to women a little bit more. You have way too many men, not enough women. And so I really spent time studying women and men of pause. What are women lacking? Like, why? There's no way on the planet earth that you go through like men of pause are aging and have all of these problems. We've got to be able to figure something out. Well, there's a mishormone balance there of progesterone estrogen and testosterone. And one of the things that I do, and I'm wondering what you do with women, I explain to them, look, men need estrogen too. If we drain our estrogen, we got problem. So for you, I mean, how do you, how do you get over that problem when you're talking to people? Because I mean, it's hard. You can lead a horse to water to me on a straight people. How many? That's the only thing I keep. I mean, I can talk to them until I'm blue in the face and it's whether or not they're going to go do it. I have men coming and talking to me, going, please talk to my wife. Wow. You know, they won't, you know, they're like, they won't listen to me. And I'm like, I'm more than happy to because a lot of it is their marriage is suffering. You know, because of that. Exactly. They have no sex drive, no libido, no nothing. They're gaining weight, they're miserable. And it does. It affects the marriage. And so that's why we make it. Please talk to my wife. So I explain to the wives, you know, about we need these hormones, you know, just because our, you know, our ovaries pretty much, you know, this, the hormones kind of drive and go away for lack of better, you know, scientific. And the amount that it barely makes, you know, because it's still barely makes, but you know, it's still there. That this is what we need. And so when I explain to them, because they look at me and they go, how do you look the way that you look at 62 with the energy that you have. And I'm like, well, if you want to listen to me, yes, you need to get your blood worked on. You need to get tested. And by the way, you can't just go to a normal general doctor because it's like, let's hypothetically say that, you know, just let's grab some numbers here. And that is your testosterone is supposed to be for a female between five and I don't know 100, let's say. And you're five, they're going to go, you're within range. No, you're at the bottom of the barrel, you know what I mean. It should be at 100 for your optimal, you know, just life. And so they go and they look at me, their eyes wide up and they go, really, you know, and it's really interesting because we were talking about this just the other day. And it was almost like it was I was I was about 45 go I was in the parimenopause stage. And my body pH balance was off. Okay, so let's go, let's get a little too detailed for the audience, but let's do it anyway. And that was I started getting basically for an entire year yeast infection. And I was like, what I went to to OB-GYN to well, maybe it's the type of underwear you're wearing. Maybe it's the type of person you're having sex with. They had everything, but let's check your hormones. And because you're in parimenopause and your hormones are just shifting and unbalanced, your pH is unbalanced. So no matter what you do, no matter what medications you do, until I went to one doctor and he goes, let's check your hormones. And I was also having a little bit of heart palpitations. I was like, what's this? You know, you need some progesterone. The minute I started taking that progesterone, everything cleared up. Everything cleared up. And I was like, oh my God, it was my hormones. Do you know how many women go through life? And they have like, the only reason I'm saying this is because actually my girlfriend's going through it right now. And I was like, dude, go check your hormones right now. She goes, I have an appointment to get my blood work done. And we know exactly that's what the problem is. Her pH is so off because she's in parimenopause. Yeah. So just little things like that. I know women have a little bit more complexity than men with the hormone panels. It's complex for both. But as you guys age, it's, it's there's more to dig into. Unbelievable. And you fix one thing, but then you still don't necessarily have the correction that you. Right. And wait, that's why I said here we go because you bring up the, there's so many levels here of frustration to me. Yeah, but one of the main ones is these ridiculous levels that they tell you are normal. Yeah. That their levels keep changing as you know, yeah, conducive to the dog shit health that we have right now. Absolutely. So what they're telling you is normal is based upon a number of people that are already unhealthy. Yeah, exactly. It's insane. It's, it's quite frustrating and insane. Absolutely. And so many women are out there literally suffering through this. Yeah, because they have a shitty doctor. Oh, you know, many guys that I get that come to me. Well, I'm been range my testosterone is 253. I'm like, listen, right. That is just dreadful. If you get me lower, you're basically going to be at like depression stage. Oh, and it's just, but you brought up the progesterone to see that's another factor for women that really starts to happen. Sometimes even late 40s, but 50 60s, especially I look for aside from what you've said, you know, creatines and other things that I've done a lot of work with with women to put them on and it helps with menopause. Right. There's a lot of things that you can do, but what you nailed it with testosterone is one of the probably biggest components of the just I hate that midlife crisis. It's so cliche, but that's what it is. There's no other phrase for it. It is midlife crisis in a way. Yeah. Now between the between the testosterone between the progesterone, that's the other thing. I one of my friends had a, a hysterectomy. And yet she went to her doctor and said, hey, should I be on progesterone? He's like, no, you had a hysterectomy. Don't need it. Wait a minute. Hold on a second. Just because you, doesn't mean you don't need progesterone. I mean, for your hair, for your skin, for, I mean, there's a lip. Better sleep. Yeah. Everything for progesterone. And these doctors are still out there going, no, you don't need it. Nope, you don't need that. It's like, thank God that the industry has, I mean, gone to, there are more and more doctors out there called anti-aging doctors. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but a lot of people don't know to look for them. They just go to a normal general doctor. Right. And it's just frustrating and they're not getting the help they need. I have a lot of colleagues, friends, people at interview, they're natural pathics. They were, they were doctors and got out of it because of the mess. Look, I don't even honestly fault someone because that's what they're taught. Yeah. They're taught. And when you spend six figures or even seven, if you go school long enough and get all these medical degrees and all this in, you're taught basic bullshit. I know. They spend like, I think some one doctor said we spent like three months on female hormones. Three months. Well, that's me. This is these genetic into it. They spend all the time learning how to write prescription. Of course. You know, and that's sad. I know. That's our healthcare system. Oh, they know. Well, what you brought up is very important. Seeing a specialist, whether that is a, like a real good endocrinologist or that there's really good people, natural pathics. That's what people come to me for when they want to hire me. It's hard, but I've been doing it forever. The amount of letters you have after your name is not necessarily mean you're quality. Exactly. And then you can get into the peptides as well. And that's a whole another, you know, just to me, they are somewhat, I want to say new, you know, just for the general public, you know. And then the other thing is, is there's so many different peptides out there that they don't know what to do, what to take, how to take it, how to mix it. Yeah, which I came to you for. Dylan, how do you do this? You know, because there's a couple peptides that are very complex. Yeah. You know, and you're like, and you do need to learn how to take them. Here's the problem I run into is the Wild West out there now because people saw something. And then they try to everybody wants to do it and sell it and be a part of it because they know they can make science. And it's dangerous because you don't know who you're taking advice from or buy from. I discovered peptides in 2011. Okay. And there was about eight that you could pick from. Yeah. All underground market that's the only place you could get them. And I have watched it now transform in 2000. Okay. And the problem is, is there's a lot of WebMDs out there that think they know what they're talking about. They don't know anything. So they're giving advice or telling people to take this and this, telling them to buy it from who knows where and is dangerous. That's a question for you. And somebody, somebody approached this and they, they, they said this to me and it made sense. I don't, am I a venue? I don't know. Maybe it was. Who knows? My doctor told me to start taking hypermoralin to increase my own HGH. Okay. Well, if my own HGH is tiny, so then what am I really increasing? It's so my new. Why wouldn't I just take HGH? So what they're trying to do is, that's like a last ditch effort, right? So they're, you're talking about a growth releasing hormone peptide. So it's going to hopefully, it's going to have your body release it itself as opposed to taking exogenously. So the, the hope is that it's strong enough to allow your body to start producing it naturally. Got it. So depending on how severe of a problem you have, right, and your body, but hypermoralin is probably one of the most commonly used to prescribe. And it's, it's a lot safer and less expensive way less expensive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't your own HGH are dying out around 30 to 30? I mean, it's like everything else. It starts to just, we all just start dying at 30, 35, where we not meant to last, where only meant to last to what to 50? Well, you know, the body will naturally decline if you let it. Yes. Yes. Right. And if you take care of yourself, you eat while you sleep while you do everything, you can certainly mitigate it. Now we've got things that we know how to, right. You can take to stop it really. Yeah. But then again, there's, there's so many factors that you got to check and do. So for somebody like yourself, how often do you run your blood panels and every six months? Okay. And then how deep of a panel do you take? Deep. My panel is deep because my, my doctor is all about it. And so, and I can, well, I'm a little different than the average person as well, because I can, I know when my body's off. And I can usually tell what's kind of making it off, you know, a little bit. I am so in tune with what I'm eating, how much sleep I'm getting, my stress level, how much water I'm in taking. So it's, I'm just on automatic pilot right now, to be honest with you. But yet I know when something's off. And so that's when, but every six months, I have to go and do a really deep panel. Good. And so that's for her. It's also, also for me, you know, I kind of want to know where my levels are. And it's kind of a pride thing, I guess, because when they come back and she's like, your blood work looks like a 30 year old. And I'm like, yes. Well, then here, there are some questions for you because I'm curious, because I want of the million polarizing things I talk about nutrition. You, I don't know how deep you go into that in terms of like discussing in them with people. But man, oh, man, oh, man, I get into some, I get all kinds of people here to talk about. Oh, I got you. And you know, some people that are pro keto pro carnivore pro carbohydrate. Yeah. And instead of having good discussions like I have with people, you see them just give their thoughts and then back it up and people just get so mad and want to call you names and fight. And I'm like, listen, brother. Yeah. Yeah. What works for one does not work for all bodies are so different. So tell me as you've aged, what kind of changes you made and what your diet's like now that you do stick to something or is it? It's very, it's my, it's interesting. You say that because my diet really has not changed so much in 35 years. Really? I keep it clean. I keep my diet clean. I allow myself if I want something that's off the charts, I eat it. Yeah. It's not all the time. It's always in moderation. It's always in balance. I never used to track my macros. I'm the only time I really tracked them recently is because of my show. You know, and then I was like, and and then that was even eye opening because I was like, wow, I'm not eating enough protein. Yeah. You know, I just really made it very clear to me because now I had to track them. I'm like, oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of people like the first thing I'll ask them when they I'm having sugar cravings where I'm doing this or I'm doing that. My first question is how much protein are you taking and taking? I don't know. I go, let's start there. Yeah. You know, so I've stayed away from fried foods. I've stayed away from dairy and it's not I stay away from them for a reason. I mean, I do. I mean, as far as like sugar, we all know it's the worst thing you could put in your body. But yet we crave it. You know, so I allow myself once in a while to definitely end old fried foods. I got away from that right when I started bodybuilding when I was in my late 20s. You know, but I was never a big fried food person. I wasn't raised that way. So I contribute my nutrition also to the way I was raised because my mom was a very health conscious. She she ruined our cookies. Let's put it that way and try to put all the, you know, wheat germ and you know, raisins instead or chocolate. And so that part of my childhood sucked, you know, we weren't allowed to eat any kind of sugary cereals. We were in shredded wheat, you know, kind of things. So that's how I was raised. So therefore growing older and getting into bodybuilding and being aware of my body, I realized food is my fuel. Food is nothing more than fuel. So let's put it in to feel good. Yeah. People go, I don't feel good. How are you eating? What are you drinking? All these questions come up. I eat once a day. Well, maybe that's why you feel like shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's crazy. Like, I get these people that'll tell me they can't lose weight and whatever. And I'll be like, what's your diet? It's the first question, obviously. And then some of these people though, they're eating like four or five hundred calories a day. That's insane. And I'm like, um, and they don't understand. And then we have to talk about shutting your metabolism. And that was another interesting thing on doing this show. I always talked about carb cycling. Yeah. Okay. I know it. Yeah. I never tried it. Did you try it? Holy shit, I tried it. Bired up my metabolism. You would not believe. I went from, this was only in three months. I went from 18% body fat down to 9.5% body. I wasn't hungry, as a matter of fact, if anything was more food that I wanted to really eat because of, you know, but it fired up my metabolism to where it was like even today. I'm sitting here two weeks after my show. Most people what gained 20 pounds. Oh, yeah. Okay. I've gained five. And that's hard because I am eating everything and anything I can because I lost to my body. Yeah. Yeah. And I need to put that back on because the fact that it goes and you lose it in place, especially for women, you lose it in places where you don't want to lose it, obviously. Or your face, your boobs, your butt. And it's like, okay, we got to start eating. So five pounds in two weeks. And I'm talking like, honestly, I've been eating pizza. I've been eating burritos. I've been eating this. Hagen Doss ice cream. Five pounds. And I contribute that to seriously. My metabolism just went on fire when I did the carb cycle. Oh, yeah. So walk me through like what that looks like for you, the carb cycle is just for people that don't see what I'm doing. Super simple. Two days. Okay. So when we're talking macros, we're talking like all I'm counting is protein carbs and fats. Yeah. That's it. The only reason I says, because last night at dinner, somebody goes, I don't even know what macros are. Yeah. I was like, all right. That's how protein carbs and fat. My protein was supposed to be 200 a day. I was lucky to get 180 and that was a lot. On a carb cycling low carb day, it was 50 grams and under. So 30 to 50. Yeah. For two days, everything else was the same. My protein stayed at 180 to 200 every single day no matter what. The only thing that changed with my carbs and my fats. So carb cycling is two days low carbs, 50 grams, one day high up to 200 grams. Okay. The next day was keto. I'm like, really still no carbs. Okay. No carbs that day and then it went back to low carbs. So I got 50 grams the next day and then I went back to high carb day. Okay. So it was just cycling between two days, one high, three low, one high. How was fat intake then? Okay. So on the low days, my fat intake was at least, I want to say 50 to 60 grams. Baccados, olive oil, and eggs. Those were my fats that I was intaking. Of course, you could probably add some healthier ones in there a little bit more, but that was drilling for competition reason. Right. On my high carb day, actually, it was more like around 25. Yeah, you go low. Yes. Low fat on a high carb day. You have to. So by doing this and eating five meals a day every three every three hours, I was eating. So my life consisted of if I wasn't cooking, I was eating or I was in the gym, there was just like every three hours revolved around the food. So that was a little much for the average person, but yet even that, they can take it and moderate it. You know, kind of thing. So eating every three hours, put your metabolism on fire, your carbon take up and down, up and down, up and down. Your body doesn't get used to it, and that's what we want to do. Once your body gets used to something, it settles in as you know, at plat toes, and then you have to start over again, or even decrease it more. Let's put it that way. A lot of people don't understand when you're training in bodybuilding, you've got to have higher carb days. You have to, or you're just always going to be too flat. And it's hard for people to like, antiquate that are like so pro keto and so pro, and I mean, look, I had an eating disorder my whole life. And until like a year and a half ago, I was eating no fat. And I mean like the lowest fat ever, terrified of it, even as a nutritionist. Okay, yeah. I went from eating 20 grams of fat a day to now about 130. There you go. And I have never, aside from steroids use, I've never been this cut or lean. Right. And I, I mean, severely under eating. I'm just going to be a little bit more of a pain. I do 15 to 17 miles a day on the elliptical and then walk another five. And I end weight lift. If I don't eat 30, 500 calories a day, and then I'm taking jardy and it's on top of it, which you lose four or 500 calories a day. I still, I do what you do, which most people should do, is not count so much the calories, but the macros. Right. Exactly. The things that go to where the macros are the most important. So more of what I know today, back when I was body-bending when I was 20, I mean, we were just like no fat. We were exactly that cut it off. The worst thing you could do. And your body holds, you know, and it's not going to release the fat. And nobody knew it back then or nobody talked about it back then. Shit. Oh my god. It was terrible. But I was 28 though, too. Yeah. So your body did adjust. And now being 62 and going from 18% and down to 9%. The one thing that they don't tell you is your skin is like, yeah, we're not going to go real fast like the fat goes. So we're just going to hang out here for a while. The elasticity is a little bit slow on the draw. That's the downside. When you do get older and you lose that body fat, you know, when you're younger, it bounces. Absolutely. You know, but I still even have these people like, well, we can't, we're getting ready for a show. We can't eat the fats. We can't eat the fats. It's not something you need to eat the fats. That is so ass backwards, you have to. Mm-hmm. You know, I'm mad I am of all the years. I messed up eating grass bed butter on everything I cook. I tell my wife all the time, like, I messed out, like, the last 15 years of enjoying this. Yeah, well, it's, you know, even going back to the gladiator days, we were all chicken and rice. That was almost the 90s and 90s. Well, what were you going to do? That was the ideal. Exactly. Let's go back there then. back there then. So before you start doing American gladiators, what are you doing? Like what's going on? Are you training bodybuilding? I was bodybuilding and I was competing. I wanted to go pro. And so I had started, I'm going to say 23, 24 area. And I walked into a gym. I mean, I was always an athlete. But then I got out, you know, out of school, everything else and started working and all of a sudden started looking around me going, oh my god, this is my life. The women in the back were very, very heavy. Now sedentary, they didn't move. And I was like, oh, so I started going to gym at lunch. And then somebody goes, oh, you need to go to more serious, gym around the corner, which was burgnolies at the time. And it was like a body building gym. And a guy walked over to me and he goes, wow, you have the genetics to be a body builder. Have you ever thought about it? And I looked at him and what's that? Seriously, I had no idea. And so I came into it when Rachel McLeish was like there. And I was like, I saw her, you know, her photos. And she was very feminine and very beautiful and yet a little muscular. So I kind of started bodybuilding in that era there. And then Corey ever sent him around. And I was like, oh my god, yeah, she's insane. So I was doing local. I went local state and then I went nationals. And I did the nationals twice. I was heavyweight. You have to win the nationals obviously to become pro. My second time at nationals, I placed third. And that's when the gladiators that year came along. Was it the 80s? It was. It was like late 80s, AE89-ish right in there. So I tried out for the gladiators, made the team as like, screw bodybuilding. Because we always knew, I mean, the biggest thing that I wanted to become pro for was, obviously I wanted the magazine covers. I wanted the endorsements. Yeah. I wanted to, you know, rep brands and stuff. And so, okay, now I'm going to be paid to be on television and battle people and have fun and tackle them. Right. Even better. Literally. Like my favorite show that was because we once we got cables when I found it. And I think we got cable like 87. And I was only five. You know, and I remember that one the first time me and my dad watched it. And I was like, whoa, you know, because I was watching cartoons every Saturday morning. And this was, I think it was on USA. I want to say it was on USA. It was on one of the cable channels. But anyway, oh, what was that like when you first went on there to do these different kinds of events? And like these, you know, because that goes the joust, for example, I mean, does it look like it, it is out there's an awkward like what is it? It is so awkward. And those joust sticks are so heavy. You look terrible. And where we had to grab it, especially for the women, the stick was thick. Yeah. And very round. And then they gave us these ginormous gloves. So it was just like super awkward and super heavy. But man, once you connected with it, because you'd get the momentum going, yeah, you'd just ring somebody's bell. It was just insane. Mad because you, I mean, I didn't notice it as much when I was a kid as I got a little bit older and go back and watch you guys got really mad if somebody wanted to. Okay, that was more laser. Okay. And I hope he listens to this because seriously, he would get pissed. Yeah. He lost. He would throw it down and throw his helmet down. And I was like, damn, for the girls, it was more, it wasn't like that. If we lost, I mean, okay, you know, kudos to you. Obviously you got a good hit in or something like that. I barely lost to be honest with you because I had some strength behind me. There was only like one girl peggy OD at 5, 9, 185 pounds when she hit you. She hit you. I mean, it was like everyone, when she was on the show, we were like, we'd look at the schedule and go, oh, okay. Do you guys asked, I don't want it. It has to. That was on right. Yeah. I'll say and she was, and you remember that. Wow. Absolutely. Absolutely. Come on. The bigger they are, you know, it's like you do remember. So the joust was very hard. We talk about it a lot on the Netflix documentary that we did about the human cannibal. Yeah. The one with swings down. Everything on my any kind of injury I have is on my left side. And even my car tractor and I was like, why is everything on my, and I always said in the correlation came in human cannibal. I always put my left foot forward and that little tiny pad they gave us that was like two inches thick was supposed to protect us. Well, by the time they swung down in the momentum and the trajectory that they had, there were 10 times their body weight. So, okay, think about that for a minute. Girls weighing 125 pounds. And when she hit you, it was hard. Right. So everything was my left side. And I got nerve damage. My older nerve on my left side. Yeah. I have some kind of like, you know, I thought it was my so as come to find out. It's just scar tissue up here by my left rib. Right. You know, from my arm hitting. Yeah. You know, my ribs over and over. So, you know, that was not fun. But there was a lot of games that were a blast. I'm curious. Power was obviously my favorite because because, you know, I got to tackle. You know, so that was unbelievably fun. And even some of the NFL guys that I would do Comic-Con with, they're like, damn girl, you tackle better than some of our linebackers. Yeah, it was, it was a blast. But I would say one of the other ones besides Powerball was Pyramid. And that was the one they had like big pillows that all went all the way at the top. We stood at the top. The contestants were at the bottom. And their goal was to run up that pyramid and ring the bell. Well, we could push them. We could grab them. And it was like playing on, um, mattresses. Because when you grabbed them and you, and you fell, you would just, boom, boom, boom, boom. But they were soft, big, huge mattress. It was fun. It was just like being a kid. Tell me that this one, my, by far, my favorite one was when you guys were up there shooting. That's a good guy. And they would run and try to, in they get to the end and throw the balls, but they'd have the gun and try to shoot it and hit the target. Man, when that one came on, I was glued. I could not, that was by far my favorite. And it was, it was the viewers favorite. Yes, which is interesting. Oh my gosh. I love that. I don't know if it was a contestant's favorite because by the time that, when that tennis ball hit them, it was going 120 miles an hour. They'd get well. Really? Legs or if I'm not? That's what I was going to ask you to do that. Because it looked like you. Oh, yeah. I'm lying. There was one episode. A dude got hit in the eye and his eye to swell. Really? Even though they had protective eye gear, you know, it was great for viewers. But for us, it was kind of boring. Really? Because the gun always malfunctioned. You know, so it was like one of those things to where we'd like, it just shoot air. You know, and all of a sudden, we'd be like, it's not working. And the contestant me running all over the point. The other one I always like to say for PowerVolge, I think everybody liked was the one when you guys were in the big Q balls and you'd roll them like, God, yeah, that one was a queer. Yeah, that one was cool too. I liked that one. It's so funny how the viewers had their favorites, but when they said they were boring. Really? Yeah. And that actually the the Atlas Spirit thing at first, it kind of freaked me out because they actually they were made of these big, thick metal like, you know, and so they'd have to take a drill to put the cage on after you crawled in it. And I thought, okay, come in California, earthquakes. I mean, you name it runs through your head because you're literally locked in that thing. Right. And if something happened, okay, they're gone. Yeah. Where's the guy with the drill? That makes me out. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Wow. But then somebody said this, these things are so thick that if there was an earthquake, you would be more protected than anybody else. I mean, it's like, still not a very good, you know, so I my assumption is the most injuries probably occurred on the power ball, right? Yeah, that's where all the the most. Okay. So the biggest injury was an ACL tear. Really? I don't think I remember saying that or hearing about it. Yep. I'm pretty sure I did it happen on power ball. It happened on power ball. Now is Turbo is a matter of fact. They showed it in slow motion, of course. And the leg just goes. Yeah. And you just kind of go, oh, I can't watch it again. But that was the biggest injury on the entire show was the ACL tear. I was in Orlando, Florida, the live show. Oh, no, it's breakthrough and conquer. Same thing though, because the breakthrough, you had to tackle him. Yeah. So the girls running at me, I grab her. I pull her back. When I pulled her back, I didn't realize her knee was under my leg. Oh, and I literally felt it goes. And it just made my stomach hurt because I heard it. And she screamed. And then I felt that. Yeah, I was alone who did it. You know, um, so I have a question. I never really asked Jim about this when I talked to him. Did they like? Well, it's a two part question. One, did they like monitor your physics? And if somebody's not keeping up with, you know, how they need to look, is it a problem? They didn't care because we had such egos that there was no way we were going to go on. So that's what I figure. There's always little white. There's always somebody that can't handle the fame or whatever that parties and let's themself go. But maybe yeah, no, these gladiators are like, just imagine five guys and five girls with the biggest egos any were. Well, that makes sense. Then my next question, you're probably just answer it because I was going to say words, was there like a limit? If you lost too much, you couldn't be on the show. No, okay. I'm not it. There probably wasn't enough loss anyway. Right. Exactly. Now, where we did kind of gain weight, I'll be honest with you, is on the tour. Really? Because it wasn't televised. You know, I like that. And some of the photos and a lot of us, we did. We gained a little couple pounds here and there and you know, the abs were in and there was soft and we started looking soft. But we were also on the road for six months, eating kind of shit food to be honest with you. Well, then how was your training and terrible? It's hard. Yeah. And we were at a bus traveling around for six months with 10 gladiators. I don't think people realize when teams go play sports and then they take long distance or when you're on the road, like the WWE, when they used to be on the road all the time, how hard that is to go make yourself train? Oh, yeah. After those flights and that long exhaust, yeah, you're drained. You have no desire to go train. Right. You know, and then the comfort food. It's comfort food is real. You know, and then you're like, oh God, do I want chicken and rice again? So shit. Oh, a piece of pizza sounds great. I think Jim was the only one who kept like on the diet. I think him and him tower these to bring in like a hot plate into their hotel rooms. They were like crazy like, you know, over the edge kind of guys. We're going to stay right. I think it lasted for the first month. We don't I don't travel without having my own kitchen and my own beer. I do not eat out. I will not do it. So I get it. I understand that too because for the first time, I had to start taking my food with me to the show. So I when I traveled to Vegas for the nationals, it was like, oh, shit, I have to take like a day and a half to two days for food. Yeah. Many get in the hotel rooms. They don't have microwaves. They don't have hot plates. They want you to eat in the restaurants. I go down the restaurant and bring my chicken and rice. Hey, can you heat this up? Nope. We can't heat your own food up. I was like, okay, wait, we have a problem here. You know, you have an entire hotel full of bodybuilders right now. Yeah. And there's no microwaves. And you're not going to heat anybody's food up in the restaurants. messed up. Yeah. So I can see where you can bring your kitchen. I'm telling you, I was just at a convention three weeks ago and I left every day at two o'clock for an hour. I know all the people that needed me, wherever I'm gone from this time. And I went my ass back to my house, cooked and then turn around and came back. Yeah. Not doing it. It is hard, but if you want to eat clean, you absolutely have to cook your own food. That's right. Harret. Bring it with you. And you'll like what I do every time when I like when I fly now tomorrow, I will get up the plane and I would go to the either Whole Foods or the locals. I'm staying in Provo, Utah. Whatever they have, I got it marked out. Whatever the hell it is. And I go on straight there before even go to my house. You get everything you can do it. You just got to make a second run. Just a lot of people don't. I mean, they can't even sacrifice and do it at their own home. I know. More or less on the road. Come on. You know. So how many years were you on the show? I was on the shed for nine years. Okay. I was on the duration of it that first. Um, because I missed the first 13 episodes. Oh, sure. It's like the first season in a like in a half and a way, I guess. And then I came in. Okay. And then midway through, that's when, you know, myself, Nitro, Jim and I, laser wasn't there with us. There was another gladier that we held out for more money. Oh, they fired us for one season. And they're like, we don't need you then. Um, so we're like, okay. So the ratings drop. Nitro didn't go back. I went back. He went back another year later to be a commentator, as a matter of fact. Really? So um, nine to 10 years. Wow. I know. Crazy. Well, then when it came back, was it 20? When when was this? Okay, it's 208. Okay. And that was whole cogan. Yeah. It was whole. Yeah. Whole cogan and Layla Ali. It was not the same. They overproduced it. It was terrible. I, I tried to watch it a little bit and I couldn't do it. It was terrible. I watched. I went to a couple of the showings and I mean, Mike Adamley, our host was just incredible at hosting our show. I remember. He didn't need to tell a proctor. He didn't need nothing. He was just like, oh, I'm off the cup. Yeah. Whole cogan and Layla Ali sat there for three hours trying to do an opening. I thought it just looks terrible. It was bad. You can tell how fake it is. Yeah. It's terrible. You know, they're doing, they did it again. Yeah. It's coming out on Prime next spring. I worry. I'm interested to see how everybody's going to take it this year. I mean, how it's going to be perceived. We'll see. I mean, I even tried to watch He-Man when they reproduced it like the cartoon and I watched one episode and said, what, what is this? The biggest mistake they made and we all, I don't know, I can say we all, there was three, I'm two or three of us, myself, Nitro and even Jim and possibly Tower. We all threw our hat in the ring like, hey, you know, what if we were like commentators backstage talking to contestants, talking to new gladiators, bridge the gap from generations because if you think about it, okay, so I was what, 28, 29, I'm 62 now. So everybody that watched it and, you know, that were my age, they had kids and now they have grandkids. So it would be, it would make so much sense to where it's like if they just had us, the people that were had, you know, the grandparents have to be like, oh my god, come here, Bobby, you gotta see this. This is a show that I grew up on. This is so cool and they're going to want to watch it and then they bring in their family. Yes. They didn't want anything to do with us. These guys were coaching like or something or anything. They're saving did not want anything to do with us. I think it came down to the documentary though because the owner of the, the owner of the trademark, Johnny, he had a documentary that was on ESPN 30 for 30. Well, I would say the A team didn't want anything to do with it. And so we went over to Netflix. After that, he hated us. Really? Yeah. And so he does have a say so in the shows. And so I can guarantee you that's why he's like, nope, I don't want anything to do with him. Wow. It's just going to hurt his own show. Yeah. For longevity. You know what? You know, I learn the hard way. I don't know if they ever will. I mean, it's, it's really crazy. I mean, they don't want us to eat. And what I mean by that is for 35 years, we've got nothing but cease and distanced sliders, everything we do. Really? I've, my podcast, chilling with ice. I trademarked it. They're challenging it. They do not want me to own chilling with ice. What are they going to do with it? They just don't want me to own it. That is disgusting. It really does because you made the name. I know. And it's like, they're like, nope, not at all. And that's our, that's our biggest bitch. The honest with you is they just don't want anybody else to eat. You know, it really is. There would be no ice if there wasn't either. There would be no laser if there was no gem. There would be none of it. We're still marketing their show. Exactly. That's what they don't, I mean, I don't know. They want the peace of everything is what it is. Oh my god. I'm making, I'm making nothing off my podcast. If anything, it's out of my own pocket. Yeah. And I'm still marketing your stupid show 35 years later because of who I am. Parking about it right now, which is going to be in front of a lot of getting there. Exactly. Yeah. So who was the most intense back there? Man and woman. Laser as one. The men. Yeah. He was intense. The women, I would say probably I was the most intense for the females. Really? Yeah. Just because I was like, I always, you know, I wanted to win. So are you going to back in third? Like psyching yourself up beforehand, getting crazier is just like another day at the office. No, we did. We psyched ourselves out before before the games. Okay. We kind of have to. Yeah. Well, yeah, I would assume you off to because the contestants are ready. Yeah. They're like, you know, they're on fire. And if you just kind of go out there, go, hum, another day at the office. You can get your ass. Yeah. You know, I definitely. I played four sports in high school. And I know the different settings like for tennis. I wasn't doing that. But I know for football games, what I was doing, you know, and I, exactly what you guys are doing is just as impactful. It's not more. Yeah. So. Okay. So then what happens when you're done? Okay. Well, that's for the long list of everything I've done since then 35 years. I tried my hand of a lot of different things. You know, after gladiators, I start bartending to be quite honest with you because I didn't know what else to do right at the time because when the show ended, it ended. It stopped. Like it stopped. No, there wasn't. Hey, by the way, we don't think we're going to film again. You know, we were doing the live show down in Orlando. We went to do the show. Chains were on the door. No phone call, no email, no, thank you. Nothing. Like it just ended. That fast, that abrupt. So after that, kind of quickly bartending, and then you kind of grasp something and go, okay, I need to do something. I opened a gym in Orlando, Florida. I owned that around it for four years. Sold it came back to colleagues. That's my home base. Opened a tanning salon did the same thing. I owned it and sold it at the height, you know. And then after that, kind of I did real estate for about 10 years. I owned my own insurance group company for life insurance. Did that? Then basically I started getting more into fitness again around 50. Okay. 50 was a turning point for me. You know, it was like, okay, let's get this show in the road. They're going to get my body back again. Start training hard, start dieting down, created my website, did all that kind of fun stuff. I was training people online. This and that realized that that wasn't my forte because of the fact that I just didn't like training people online. Yes. Too hard. I I'm a more in person. It's hard. But yet I didn't want to spend eight hours a day in the gym. Yeah. It was like an English way, that cross thing. Just kind of really started and that's when social media started taking off, of course, and started building up my sites. You know, all my social media's TikTok. That was the first one. Really? TikTok was the first site, social media site that I really went on. I did a couple videos, and they were kind of funny. And they they they took. Yeah. And everybody's like, oh my god, we didn't know how funny you were. And then I realized, wait a minute, a lot of people don't know the gladiators. They don't know who we are. They just knew that, you know, the persona. That's when I started my podcast. Yeah. And started interviewing all the gladiators. Yeah. I was like, okay, let's get everybody to know each other here. You know, he the one that is is to people want to know. Yeah. Is all we see is something on TV and don't know anything in wonder wonder are they what are they like? So I do my podcast got behind the scenes with all the guys and the girls and everything else with that. And just kept building my brand. And I didn't realize I was building a brand to be quite honest with you. It's fast. You know, there was like, what brand am I building? Oh, yeah, it's me. And then basically it started evolving. You know, TikTok really picked up. I got like 300,000 followers really quickly. And then my IG lagged and I started doing that a little bit. And then all of a sudden fitness companies, you know, different supplemental companies started coming to me. Going, wait, how old are you? And you look like this? Seriously? And I was like, yeah, let's do this. I represent V-Stread. I've done a couple. I'm actually we're creating it right now is my my anti-aceting lady, Stephanie, she's amazing. We're actually creating like an online or, you know, HRT peptides, everything else. I'm going to be the spokesperson. And I brought to that to them. Yeah. You know, let's do this. And so I'll be a huge part of that. That'll start lot that'll be launching probably the mid February. Very nice. So I'm now it just kind of happened. I just kind of put my head down Dylan and kind of did my thing. I kept training. I kept eating clean. I kept out there, you know, just, you know, talking to women and men about what I'm doing. They started asking questions. And it just evolved. Yeah. That's how it happened. God's got to plan for everybody. It's just it'll happen. And of course, that's funny when you say that because when V-Stread came to me, I was 60. Okay. So that was two years ago. And it was the endorsement contract I always wanted. And I was like, really God, you had to wait until I was 60 to see now. Timing was everything. Yeah. That the timings never off. Yeah. It just isn't always what we want. But then you realize, whoa, okay, it makes sense now, right? So that's what it's all about. So what's your plans now? Are you going to just continue to be in fitness as long as you possibly can? Interesting. When I did my figure competition just three months ago. I mean, that was kind of on a whim as well. It was like I hadn't competed in 35 years. Everything changed. We were no longer barefoot. We were wearing five-inch heels for figured. Whole learning experience there. A lot different. And taking my body to a new place that I haven't taken it before, I'm always challenging myself. That's me. I realized, you know, it's kind of like, okay, what can I do next? How can I challenge myself? I never want to get bored. So I might possibly, it's a little ways away, but it's in July and it's another master's figure competition since apparently I lost because my posing wasn't the best. I was like, okay, wait a minute, my body was there, but my posing was not. And somebody's like, well, how do you lose to posing? Well, because of the fact that I wasn't accentuating the parts of my body that I should have been better. Right. I might do it, but it's a long way away. So we'll see how that goes. But yes, I'm going to stand to fitness. I'll keep my body the way it is. I feel great. So it's not even about a job. Yeah. It's just like, feel good. That's it. And I want to inspire and I want to, you know, talk to more women. And my whole thing is if I can touch one woman at a time or man, whoever it may be, to want to take care of themselves better, to, to, you know, they want to eat better. They want to feel better. And so that's my whole thing. It's like, you don't need to grow old. What you need to try to do, I think, is make people think what you do is normal. Not aging is normal. So there you go. The way that you're living, you need to normalize it. Yes. Right. And make that seem like this is, this is what it's supposed to be because it is. It is. But then, you know, everybody goes through certain things in their life, whether it's like addictions, struggles with finance, or struggles with mental, whatever. So they need people that can help them to get past. And I understand that. I completely understand that. But the first thing you need to take care of is the one body that God gave you. That's exactly right. That, I mean, that goes, then you can do whatever you want. Well, and it goes right into the Bible. That's always talked about we have everything we need. It's right here. But the problem is we look for excuses or, you know, no accountability for anything anymore. When everything's sitting right here, if you just do it, I don't want to call people lazy, but a lot are because of whatever it takes, if it takes work, and it does, it does take a little work. You should just say anything worth it. I mean, people are lazy, but people want shortcuts, people want things handed to them. Yeah. And I think to the conveyance of the message that that's done existent, every shortcut leads to a longer route. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I look, we've all been there. You've been there. I've been there. But I think the difference is when you learn it and you figure that out, you never take a shortcut again. No, but the work and guess what? Everything else is going to be easier later. It's just right in the very beginning. It's the front loading part of it. That's right. That's like when I tell people don't buy the cheap shit because you're going to spend more money later on. It's good. It's so true. Yeah. That's that I would never achieve on anything because I'm saving money. Yeah. And, yeah. But that's if you think about it, that's kind of also their life. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I know. You know, I got another question for you because I can't believe. I know. It's it's it's a splice. What is like your go to supplement or supplements? Like I told you, like mine is creatine is like the most proven supplement that works for people whether their teenagers are 80 because like, you know, and by the way, that's another thing that just happened for females. Just recently. Just recently. No. Like you weren't supposed to ever take creatine because I was going to make you big and blowkey. You know, ridiculous. You're going to hold water. I mean, that's why I never took it because that's what I was told. Yeah. And all the sense like, whoa, wait a minute. This is really good for us. You realize that was all marketing. Everything. Yeah. Everything. Telling people creatine monohydrate is so bad and it's going to make you bloat is like the biggest crock ever. I know. And now I know. Well, I didn't know for the last, you know, 25. Yeah. There. There. Everybody did because every company out there made it seem like that so they could sell the ones that actually don't work. Right. Exactly. You know, my go to supplements definitely collagen because, you know, I'm all about the skin and the hair. You know, trying to sell that process down as much as I possibly can. So the collagen, the creatine, a good solid protein, honestly. And that's not. And the biggest thing about the protein is people are like, how many shakes a day? No, I get my protein through whole food. Yes. That is why it's totally supplement. Exactly. You do. So I, I like animal protein, like beef protein more, but I do take way to like, I have more beef protein. I slip a do-do-way. Do you have a preference? No. I don't cause plant protein. Do you have a nut at all? Not at all. No. I prefer in Hosea vegan. And I'm like, and what, how can you eat? No, wherever we go, there. I can eat. But other than that, I am definitely my god, let's go to N, M, N instead of the NDA. I get the N. Okay. So I talk about this constantly. And I'm so glad you said that because you, NAD doesn't, if you take straight NAD, it does nothing. Correct. Your cell can absorb it. Yeah. So NMN is the best precursor. There's, there's other methods you could do, but yes, NMN, I can talk to you about that off camera. I love that. Yeah. By far, and I've had the biggest experts on the planet that I've discussed that with, I work with a company now called Wonderfield. Okay. They have the best NMN supplements. That's why I went with them because I want, I understand the NAD thing, which people don't. No, they don't. They just, they see somebody advertising it and they're like, oh, I need that. Yeah. Do any research on their own. That's the other thing. Those NAD injections don't do anything. In fact, they could have an adverse effect. Correct. Sometimes women have to take a little bit less than NGU. I had to do that test my wife. She couldn't do the 900. She had to cut it in half. So that's why I was curious how makes you took. If God, I honestly, I got to see what the bot. It's been a while. It's probably 500. I'll do my DHA. I do my V3 with my K2. Yeah. I've always been a huge advocate about D3. Yeah. Because it just does wonders for your body. Multi vitamin and my amegas. Let's see. What else is in that magnesium? Probably. Oh, we think of my magnesium. I have, I take a stack at night. Yeah. And it's called ZMAs and they're just basically the ZMA magnesium to back me together. Helps me sleep, love it, recovery, everything. Yeah. Magnesium soap. So damn important. Yeah. And I'm starting to, I'm trying to go through my list of what's on my shelf. Because now it's like, again, just auto pilots, boom, boom, boom, demo lists. I know I'm taking. During the show, which was interesting, I never did before as I never did a, not a pre-workout enhanced for energy, but a pre-workout like a pump. I never did that before. It's kind of cool that way. I like them once in a while. You take them every day. That's when you, you just don't, they don't even work. No, I know nice months in a while. That was cool. That was kind of fun. I had anything else. I think that's pretty much it is my supplementation. You know, that's good stack. That's good. Yeah. That's over the top. No, because you end up taking 50,000 things before you know it. And then I take my peptides. Yeah. And the peptides I do take is the BP 157, TB 500. I do the GHK CU for the hair on the skin. Yeah, that's a given. So funny. Everybody's now that like, I take the glow stack. That's like they, they try to sound like they know what they're talking about. And I go, so what is that by the way? They go, tell me what it is and what they do exactly. And they don't know. No. And I'm like, where'd you hear this from? And actually that the glow stack is not even complete because it's missing KPV, which is what the glow stack is, which that because of adding KPV, but we'll have to do another session of exactly about that. I know. I know. I know. Well, tell people, as you said, you mentioned you have your podcasts, so tell people where to follow you, your show, everything, and I'll link it on the description. Beautiful. I have my podcast chilling with ice. And that's obviously across the board on all platforms. My website, Lori Fetrick.com that has everything that's happening, you know, that I'm doing right now. God, let's see what else all my socials are Lori dot ice dot Fetrick for TikTok and IG and actually X. And then let's see what else is there. We'll figure it out. All right. Exactly. Thank you. They'll all be in that. I'm very good about it. I bet you are. That you are. Well, thank you so much for having me on your show. This is, it's been amazing. Also, that's kind of conversations that I like because it's never ending and so we can definitely have enough for another part. So much. Yeah. Which is insane. We'll do another one. I know. Thank you so much, Don. Well, I should you coming in saying. Yeah. All right, everybody. That wraps up another one. Make sure that you check Lori out. She's all over the place. Watch her show, especially and stay tuned for plenty more. Come Dylan, Jamelli, signing off.