PMS 2.0 1525 - LIVE From The NFL League Meetings, with Adam Schefter & Peter Schrager

the next episode. Hello, beautiful people. And welcome back to glorious Phoenix, Arizona, the Biltmore Hotel, the helm of the week meetings. This glorious Tuesday begins right now. Stores are the greatest and we're so incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chat about them every single day. We're here live at the Biltmore Hotel, which is a. This is pretty up at East! It's a great time to be here. I was at the Biltmore Hotel last night. I was hosted a party last night that was the greatest events I've ever gone to, I would say every human in the NFL was at this place last night. Most of them have an aboos cocktail or two, but it was a great time out here, and I would say Indianapolis, the combine is where a lot of free agency conversations kind of take place. You know, like seeds are planted. I think for here, the league is kind of pieced together at what happened yesterday. I mentioned yesterday about how I walked into a room over here where all the NFC coaches were talking and it was all local media was all media people and I walked in and I go, Oh, there's a lot of enemies in here. There's a lot of people that everybody's enemies are here. That's what I learned last night, and it seemed like everybody just kind of put their swords aside and had a good time for football. Let's get this up. This has been spectacular. We are very grateful and thankful that we are here now, granted a lot of the sessions in which they are voting on what the NFL looks like is happening directly during our show. So us bringing this whole song and dance out here, we're going to have a lot of people that are here. I'm going to be talking about this whole song and dance out here. Was it the right move? That'll be judged. That was certainly but the event we went to last night was certainly worth the trip and we are very grateful that we've been welcomed here. Lot of news coming out of this thing. Lot of coaches talking. Lot of people telling the truth. Now, is it the liquid courage that is getting these people to tell the truth? Potentially I will not name names, but I saw some drinking performances last night. A general managers and coaches at this particular hotel that I would like to talk about. I saw some people in the morning and I saw some people roll into these little press conferences 7 15 a.m. this morning and I said that's the football difference. That's kind of what we're on here too. No IVs. Not a lot of pedialytes. We have not found the electrolytes yet. No, we don't have a lot of sleep run through our soul, but we do know sports are fantastic. The final four is this weekend. Baseball is continuing to be electrifying and the NFL is always alive. It's not just me and my team. I'm always excited to see what's going on with the NFL. We're going to very well in this particular party. Yesterday we saw the coach's annual photo and Mike Vrabel wanted as we were seeing the setup. Our source says are telling me that he was proud of what he did in that coaches photo where he took both arm rests on that plane and I'll tell you with the white pants, it's hard to miss what he's got going on that front row. Yeah, you can kind of tell just who's from Ohio. I mean, I'm from the Ohio Valley. I'm from the Ohio Valley. I'm from the Pittsburgh and so that's kind of the best thing for me. The hotel last night you said it. I mean, kind of like a John Wick continental, if you will, where all the assassins go but they can't kill each other. Very similar to what happened last night. Everyone goes. I think that's a great way to say there's no there's there's no beef. It is just Hey, you want to boost cocktail. I want to boost cocktail. Let's just hang out for a little. Now some people conversations one left. Some people they went right. I mean, I think that's a good thing. I mean, I think that's a good thing. I mean, we can just say right now the NFL, the league, New England in particular isn't good for in good hands when Mike Vrable is at the helm and I feel like we all had a great time in our own little experience with certain people and it's fun to hear your guys's tell stories about ours. But I mean, one of the better things too was even just catching up with Mike Greenberg this morning. Yeah, that guy. He's first bout all effort effort effort effort you know, you tried to, but those conversations would have been, you would have had to have those within like the first 30 minutes we were there. Cause really it was after that kind of just, all right, strap in boys were kind of going. So you know, you get everybody was boozing. They were hard. I did not expect. Now it's a football event. Football people normally good time havers, especially whenever you're not doing ball, which is what everybody in the NFL does all the time. So it was as if you just get like the first sense of freedom. It felt like what it was last night and everybody really dove into the freedom. I think it was a lot of celebration of freedom last night and I, I didn't expect it. I almost didn't go. Yeah. No, I don't think any of us knew what to expect. Yeah. And that would, that would have been a mistake. I think a lot of things are happening for the NFL in that meeting. Yeah. In that situation. I think there's a lot of good things happening around there. You might have been in the middle of a couple of them. Well, and you know, kudos to the NFL too. Obviously they're not doing anything second right, but I think the venue was part of it. You walked out there and it's almost like we were in just like a different world. You know, like it just so nice. Like Connor mentioned, no one's really trying to, you know, let their beefs be known even though everyone knows about these things. But then yeah, when you have the opportunity to just sit down with a GM of one franchise and a head coach of a different franchise and just bullshit for 45 minutes, like you're not getting that opportunity anywhere else. So that's why, you know, this was so special. Lucky to be here. One half of the hammer. That Cowboys AP 10 is here. We've missed hammered down yesterday and today. Obviously can't wait to see you guys back in the Thunderdome tomorrow. Gombling right now. All eyes are on the final four. What do we, what do we, are we gambling on how many catchers dunk in the face of umpires? It feels like that's going to be the position that is going to be finally getting a one up on the umps. Can I be betting on how the umps are doing? Because let me tell you, as somebody who is publicly advocated for players having a pipeline into becoming NFL referees, mostly because I think players understand the game, especially if they get to a professional level where if you were to teach them the ins and outs of being an official, they'd probably be able to figure it out. Since the beginning of time, I assume catchers and umpires have had very interesting relationships and catchers. Obviously all day, every day for their entire life have been strike zoning. That's why framing it is so, so important because they're trying to find what the strike zone is supposed to look like. Now that the catchers can publicly execute the umpire back to back to back to back to back pitches. Wow. What a flip in the entire thing whenever it comes in. Can I bet on what catchers are going to beat what umpires? Because that's not a bad little bet that could potentially come. And it's almost become one of the most electrifying things of baseball. Yes. Everything has been awesome about it. And I know you cannot bet on specifically, you know, what catchers or what umpires are going to be worse or whatever. And if, you know, will a team go perfect today on their ABS challenges or whatever. But I'm interested to see like we get a week or two into this because the catchers statistically have been so much better than let's say the batters or the pitchers or whatever. Are the, is it going to be beneficial to maybe unders? Because they are getting so many more strike calls and less batters on base in like situations like this. Like if you're going to put a batter on base, no, because an ABS challenge is going to keep them in the box, keep more strikeouts. Will that lead to like more unders in situations like that? I'm very interested to see like once we get some more data on this situation, will the runs, will that, I think the runs would be more effective than anything. I don't know why the crown couldn't be up for me betting on Salvi beating the hell out of what's his name? We'd have to ask. Yeah. It was CB Buckner. I don't know if it was him, but you know, one of these guys, if it's a part of the game and it's regulated by the league, we got to ask the crown. I don't know how can we get that because that would be a good time because some of these catchers, I think they've been waiting for this moment, literally their entire life. Oh yeah. Like obviously they're professionals now, but I assume a lot of these guys, the amount of confidence they had at high schoolers, they probably got into with thumbs. I would say maybe even like, oh yeah, literally getting it going with them. Well, that's now in front of 40,000 people, they have the opportunity to finally go. Oh yeah. Bitch basically is what's happening there. Yankees won five for five yesterday. Yeah, and that's a big, that's a big storyline storyline. They made the pitch clock to make it faster. Storyline all the stars played great last season storyline big dumper who hit a walkoff last night. Oh no, is he back? Oh no, there's a lot of good storylines this year storyline is going to be ABS and it is going to be what are the umps real purpose and in this whole thing and the catchers continuing to dominate them is like problematic, I think for refs everywhere. If players are, you know, kind of going to be right for their wanted upsetness. So as you know, I grew up as a catcher and like the first day one you are taught not to show up the ump because he's the most important part. Like yes, you can frame, but if it's a strike and he misses it, you're like, you don't make noises, don't turn around and show him up. Yeah. And they're not going to give you calls the rest of the game, but now you could basically do whatever you want because you are the one back there determining whether you're going to challenge these calls or not. You still don't want to show them up because there's a lot of calls that aren't challenged. You're not challenging it like the first pitch in a bat or something like that. I haven't seen anything like that yet. So you still don't want to show them up. It's going to be interesting to catch your ump relationship on how many times they get challenged. That's a little bit of a power con contrast. Catchers are now in charge. Yeah. And that is beautifully get to abs. If you're right though, they remain so you can't have 20 if you're right the entire time. And these umps little accountability coming very public. See, and this is what was awesome too. I don't know how much of that we'll get, but you know, it was in like the fourth inning and the Yankees had already gotten, you know, five challenges, right? And boon from the dugout. Yo, it's like, Hey, fucking wake up. Like let's go. You know, you're this is bad. Like so umpires are responding to that and maybe like tossing a manager out for basically just being like, Hey, you've been shit all night. Like that is absolutely going to happen as well. So it's just, it's a whole new element that is, it really has been, you know, no pun intended. It's been a home run thus far. Oh yeah, it has been taking a lot of bases. Isn't it? The best part about it is we remember managers, you know, kicking dust. That's all over like little sent me sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. And now the managers and the catchers get to be like, just like we've been saying this whole time. And that's crazy. And umps can still throw them out if they, you know, are like, I don't like your answer. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, it's going to be a beautiful thing. Good for baseball. Nine year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler's here. D. Bunch. Are the umps kind of life support though? I'm always pro pro human. Look, I want to get the calls right, but I'm pro, I'm pro umps. I'm pro chain gang. Like I like certain things. Are the umps on their way out of here? Like, why do we need them at this point? That's a question. There's going to be plays at the plate. They have other responsibilities like where they have to go make calls. So I don't think I don't think we'll get to that point. But I'll tell you what, it is it's putting them all on notice. That's for sure. Ladies and gentlemen, we're live here at the NFL League meetings and there's one man who's been pounding a pavement. He's been sending the texts. It's been shaking the hands. He's been trying to uncover everything that's going to come out of this league meeting cycle. Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schifter. Hey, my friend. I'm great. How are you? Guys, Jeff. Good to see you. Always an honor. So yes, this is yours. Okay, great. It's louder now. It's okay. All good. I don't know. He, uh, I don't think your microphone is on. No. Uh, is it not on? I get myself talking in my ear. It's on. Okay. Yeah, you sound good. Hey, chef. How you doing, buddy? It's great to be with you. I always love coming to Arizona. I was thinking I've been coming to these league meetings for 35 years and they have a breakfast on Monday and Tuesday with each of the coaches. The NFC the first day, the AFC the second day. When I was coming to this breakfast back in the day, there were tables of coaches, head coaches that were left unintended. Like nobody there. Nobody there. Now you walk into that room, you can't even get in there. It's overflowing with it. It's like everything else in the NFL. The combine has grown. Owners meetings have grown. Super Bowls grown. Everything, everything is bigger. Free MC friends. Yeah. I mean, everything is its own event. And I think it's because not only is the NFL brilliant at creating events. That's, that's, that's the coach's breakfast this morning. I'm just telling you, when I first started coming to these, there were tables where there might be one or two reporters at the table. Maybe. And then last night's event, all these people were all in a lawn in every GM. That's always been the case. That's unbelievable. That's always been the case. That was an unbelievable event. I had no idea. People had told me about what it was. Did that change your stance on these meetings? Yeah, completely. Yeah. Last night was pretty sick. Last night was pretty dope. I was like, we are very bummed that we were here yesterday. It was 130 degrees. It wasn't it hot. Couldn't get into anything. There was no reason we're staying down a road. Couldn't even get in here. It was like, why are we, this is a bad idea. During our show, they have general sessions where they're voting on actual things. So like McCarthy had to sprint out of a meeting, came through to Bush, had to sprint out. It was just like, man, it's always a time. A lot of people worked their asses off to build this entire thing. Like it was very nice, but I felt bad idea for us to come out of the way out here. I thought then last night we flipped completely. I mean, no offense to anybody else. So is that that thing? Me and D, but we're some of the last out of the building. Okay. So we were representing the program pretty well. I would say my son out of there or not? Yeah, we did. I saw your boy leave. He tried to come by me a drink. He tried to come by me a drink to make up for the 11 situation. Literally, you know, I already had the tab, but on that note, what is coming out of this place? Cause we know combine is like free agency seed. So last night was a very loose event where a lot of people were talking to a lot of people. How many like, and Jake laser just put out the, the day drinking head coach thing that he and Tomlin put together 18 years ago, 28 of the 32 coaches went to that yesterday. They were there for once again, from our source I was there says shifter included. There was a meeting that they all had to be at at six. Okay. I was told some of these coaches coming out of this pool, five 15, five 20, five 30, very low odds of making it to the six o'clock thing. I'll say this. There was one that I saw yesterday. Yeah. I didn't see him last night. But you tell me about that though. It feels like it's a good vibe. So is there a lot of decisions being made here? Is there ideas being made here? Or is this just like a camaraderie thing? Honestly, I think it's a laid back event. I think everybody's happy to be there. Free agency is such a slog on everybody. And the teams know the next month with the draft is going to be a brutal process for them. For the media, it's the draft is kind of fun. I mean, there's not a lot of hard news stories. Like as opposed to free agency, when the Thunderdome trade trade signing signing boom boom. This this is a different feel. And here, this is a league event. It's everybody coming together. There aren't many times in a year where you get to do that. Roger Godell talked the end of the day today. They have a day of business will probably get the league assist replay approved. So that the year for the year in the event, of course, that there are replacement refs because that hangs over everything. Oh, yeah. That was talked about a lot last night. Yeah. I think that I think that's coming. I will say the year vote, the year assistance or the ref NFL massive blowout happening. Well, it's going to happen. Well, I think all of it's on the table. I think so too. Yeah, all of it's on the table. Yeah. The last night, everybody we talked to, it was like, Hey, this refs thing. And they're like, it's a real deal. Everybody's eyes just get real big. We're not gonna talk about it. Yeah. We all lived through the replacement 2012. Basically, everybody that's in this building, there's not a lot of folks that are like that weren't a part of the league in some fashion. Us included. It was like, Hey, that was a nightmare. That was not good. Let alone the fail, Mary, everybody goes to fail, Mary, which is worst call in history and embarrassment. Every single down there is something that the refs have to do that these replacement refs couldn't do. And now none of the refs that think they can get to the NFL will break the union. So we're staring down another thing, but we're watching MLB right now. If we got a league tech assist happening, that's huge. There is that's that could be bad for refs long term. So they might be kind of rolling the dice here, Shepti. If you catch what I'm saying. Yeah. Well, and that's why there's such a disagreement on the value of what officials should be making here in the officials. I think I think they do a great job. And I think they're entitled to get whatever they can get. And hopefully the two sides can figure it out. But I go back to 2012. I know everybody remembers the Seattle Green Bay game is this symbolic moment. Everybody thinks back one fail, man, was like this ones like that. I always remember my late great colleague Chris Mortensen coming in with that week hearing about a story that he had. One of the officials who was working at Saints game that weekend, he had on his Facebook page all these pictures of that particular official wearing saints gear. Exactly. That cannot happen. I always remember that. You know, Morton covered this. I don't remember how he did it, but it was a great job. And it was a wild story. And so let's assume everybody understands the refs are going to be a problem. Their negotiation. Hopefully they both come to an agreement at some reasonable. Hopefully they're both reasonable. We would like the refs to get paid for what they're good at, which is what some of them are, which is officiating, which is a tough job, but also modern technology accountability. We'd like a little bit better for the game. Hopefully they're able to meet. Let's move some other stuff. Hasm said that Dashaun Watson very much in play to play for the Cleveland Browns. Shador Sanders living in Cleveland, working out in Cleveland. Dylan Gabriel hadn't seen around. Hello, I was taught. What is the quarterback situation in Cleveland and Dashaun Watson returning to Cleveland Brown? I guess Dashaun Watson arriving as a Cleveland Brown star quarterback could happen this upcoming season. Is that real? I think that's been one of the least talked about biggest stories going into the season. The fact that the Sean Watson could wind up being the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. I think that's, I think that's absolutely on the table. I think that it feels like it's moving towards that right now. Now Todd Monk comes in and who knows exactly what he's going to do, but they're going to take a look at everybody. Todd Monk considered breakfast this morning that he hasn't decided at least publicly how the quarterback rotation will work out and OTAs. He's going to lean on people who've had experience there. Shador's had some experience. Dylan Gabriel not being there like that. There's a message there. The fact that he's not there, I think you know what it is. Yeah, not really through there. Shador's dad is one of the greatest professional athletes of all time. He said, Hey, when you're on a team, you fucking live there. You know, that's what that's. You're a fifth rounder. You probably don't have a lot to say. Remember he was there before spring workouts. Doing charity stuff. It's like he understands what a professional athlete is. You know, I think Shador has a very huge head start on all that. Obviously he had a lot more attention because who his dad was, which everybody said, well, I'm only hearing about it because who is that is like, well, coming alongside that is also a lot of intel that you can potentially learn about being a professional athlete, especially as a fifth round draft pick and having to earn your shit. So I like to hear that Shador is there in town. I think he's been trying to be the leader in a quarterback of that team since he got there. DeSean Watson though, if he's anywhere near when he was a good football player, he was like MVP. Oh yeah. Oh good. What is that? 100 years ago. 100 years ago. Now it would be a wild comeback story. Yes, it would be everything that he's come back from everything. Right? I mean, he's been off the football radar for a couple of years, right? So he's back on the football radar and he could wind up being the starting quarterback. We got DeSean Doppler here in the football radar. He's been starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Andrew Barry looks at Jack. Will he be jacked about the quarterback decision he has to make? We shall see. Todd Monk and not a lot of fanfare whenever he got hired as the head coach. Seems like he might be the right guy. I also say this, they have two first round picks. They're picking I believe six and 24 and I don't think they're going to go quarterback in round one at all. Really? Really? I mean, there's a pro bow. You heard Mill Kiper. Well, there's also not really any quarterback. Well, right? You're not going to, you're not going to do in six. 24 would be a possibility and I don't see it happening right now. 24. I was the draft class next year. I think it's like, Hey, let's figure out what we have this year. And depending on where we are next year with the class that 20 was seven is supposed to be, maybe we'll address it. A lot of teams just putting on 2026 sounds like NBA. Okay. Hope that's not what's happening around here. Go ahead. D bud. Team is not putting on 2026. The LA Rams and the receiver in particular, Jasson, he set the new market with the new wide receiver deal. What are the chances in your opinion that Puka, Nakuha gets to that number or above that number? I know he's dealing with some stuff right now. I'm thinking to get figured out. Big fans of Puka on the field for sure. What's the chance that he gets a new deal that kind of top? Here's your answer. I think that his deal when it gets done is going to be around there. Okay. I don't know that he's going to be there. It's interesting because I saw that Jackson Smith and jig bedial come down. I'm like, I wonder if Puka is going to be this spoke to some people and they're like, hmm, get me tough. Going to be tough, but he's also he gets to see the deal. It's there in front of him. So you know what you're trying to beat and you could always dress up the numbers to beat it. So it's not that hard to do, but talking to some people, they felt like it would be difficult to do in theory. Um, we'll see how. So I would say it'll be around there. Okay. Okay. Sean McVay said something about being also on the leaders of an organization, everything. He's out in LA. He's young. His energy is outrageous. He's handsome. He's funny. He's very good at football. Everything he's doing is being talked about. It's like old school TMZ type life. Yeah, it does feel like I'm watching like an old school when I was in high school, maybe in college and TMZ was catching everybody doing everything. That's what Puka Nukua has felt like over the last off season or so. As long as he plays good football, nothing matters. Right? If he falls off at all, all of this shit is going to get thrown in his face. He knows that. I think he understands that. And from our understanding, he works his ass off. So I think he's only going to get better and better. I think McVay knows that, but McVay bringing up the, Hey, you're a leader of an organization too. That's an interesting thing because obviously they're still trying to figure it all out. Well, if you're going to pay him at that level, you need your highest paid players to be your leaders to set an example. You can't have them doing some of the things that he's done this off. You just can't do that. Right? So they need him to kind of get with the program, get with being the top paid player that he's going to be. And hopefully he grows into, he's a good kid. Yeah. And during the season two when he had the, you know, the Aiden Ross situation where he had them at the facility and everything, I'm pretty sure he went out in Seattle and went for like two 20 in a touchdown. So he does still deliver to your point about, Hey, you got to still continue to play well. Yeah, he's going to have to though. I mean, that is that is going to, that's as soon as I started tweeting as a punter. I mean, I'm two shanks away for everybody being, Oh, Twitter fingers. That's fun. Why don't you punt the football and I'm punter. So that's a very low position. Anytime you bring any attention to yourself outside of football in your football slides at all, you're just providing. You're providing, you're providing. He hasn't, he's still very young. He's nowhere near as prime either, which is a scary thing to even think about. Conman has a question for you though. Shefty. Yeah, shefty. Yes. Let's stick with the quarterbacks here. Clark, Con basically said like, Yeah, I don't think we're going to be starting the season now in Seattle because my homes might not be ready by then. And there's some concern around that. What is kind of my home's is timeline at the moment because he tore his ACI. I forget what it was, but there was a video recently 100 days later, you know, he's throwing the football. Do you expect him to be ready when week one rolls around you know anything or is this kind of yeah. Well, first of all, when Clark, Con says that, he knows that. So that tells me that the Seahawks are not going to be hosting the chiefs in that Wednesday. Open chiefs will be off the table. So the league will spare Patrick Mahomes and give him the extra time to try to get ready. There was a doctor or team doctor that texted me when he was watching my home's through the video. He was like, watch the way that he puts his foot down. It's not all there yet, but I wouldn't expect it to be all there yet. And he's not playing now. He's playing in five plus months. To me when I see that the doctors may say he's not ready. I say to myself, give this guy five more months and he's going to be there on opening day. That's what I expect. This is a guy when he dislocated his kneecap is playing the next week, right? So five more months to come back after this type of surgery as significant as that knee injury was. He's coming back from it. I think he'll be back and Andy Reed, I think got his knee worked on. He's moving around. Well, Patrick Mahomes got his knee worked. Everybody in Kansas City, like you're okay. You get your knee fixed this season and you're getting ready for the opener, which won't be in Seattle. Whenever we talk about Patrick Mahomes to we want to make sure that he's he remembers. Hey, they're saying you're ass, dude. Yeah, saying you're not good. Who said that? Everybody. He's the man. Chef. Chef didn't say that. That's by the way, the Lions fan back there. He looks incredible. I think he's staying to build more. That means he's probably somebody. I'm back here, but Patrick Mahomes, you need to remember this clip this. Chiefs are dead. You're ass. That is what you know. Nobody's talking about chiefs at the party last night. That's everybody else. You're saying right. I would like to let it be known. I did not have any conversations by you being asked. Patrick Mahomes here at this party. If somebody would have said that, I would have stopped them immediately and said, excuse me, shut the fuck up. Nobody at that party say nobody at that party saying that. These people know ball here. Yeah. But on that note, nobody's talking about the chiefs. It's over. Travis Kelsey is coming back for one year deal. That'll be fun. Okay. Patrick Mahomes coming out of injury. That'll be fun. Maybe they'll be able to get back into battling in the AFC, but nobody's like scared of the chiefs anymore. Pat, they say you're ass, Patrick. Good luck out there. Five months to get back. We need him for all games. We need Patrick Mahomes playing. Yeah, I think I'll be back. How about Daniel Jones? Sounds like he's tracking. Okay, right? That sounds like a different answer than what I just heard. I didn't see the video of him planting. You know, I can't look at the video and say, okay, Mike Garifalo is reporting to Shane Stikin says that Daniel Jones is attacking his rehab. It's the second major injury of Jones's NFL career, which helps him understand the process. Stikin, he's been through so many different things. I don't think anything's go face that Shane Stikin. I don't think I've ever seen it without a hat on. Oh no, Shane, he looks like a president now. He looks 65 years old. Yeah, he does look like a president. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, you guys in Indy wouldn't have known that that was your head coach without a hat. That's Mark. Okay, your head coach. Your head coach. Yeah, I don't like what they did. I don't like what they did. Now, Granted, we gotta win some. Where do you guys live? Where do you guys live? I don't live outside in summer. I pay taxes for that damn stadium and they ain't won shit. Hey, that much big 10. They won. They won. They just won before you pay your taxes for this. Yeah. What about the final four? You're going to be happy down there in Indianapolis. I won't be pissed about the final four, but I mean, what's the point? Is it the lighthouse or is it the, Hey, let's cut this thing in half and play basketball? It's the big house. It's the big house this weekend. The big house is in Ann Arbor. Okay. There'll be a lot of Michigan fans out here. The big house in Indy this weekend. No, it's not the lighthouse. Our house. No. You go with Jeff. Our house. Yes, Jeff. Dusty may. Come on, Jeff. It's Dusty's house. Now, Jeff, he Dusty's from Indiana. Exactly. Now, Chef, you are not doing what you're doing right now. Please. It's Dusty's house. Is that what all Michigan people are treating this weekend like? I'm treating you right now. They've been awesome. Yeah. At Michigan teams, unbelievable. Maybe the most dominant when he got Arizona, they're also very good. Michigan favored by one and a half in that unbelievable. Good for you guys. Illinois obviously taken on Yukon. Loudhouse, Lucas, Osteen and will be phenomenal. You are going right? I don't know yet. Chef D. Chef D. I thought you said you were going Michigan man. I don't know. It's up in the air. First of all, next week, I was supposed to take my daughter on some college visits and kind of planned it to go Monday. So I up you take her to Bloomington. Yeah. Yeah. Good Jaguars. That's a good idea. Maybe we're spending a moment. It's going to Michigan anyway. It's funny. There was a couple of weeks ago, I was doing a talk at Penn State and I was showing my daughter Penn State. So one of my friends at Michigan Tech was like, what are you doing at Penn State? Like she's not going to Michigan. I'm like, if you can promise me and assure me that she'll get into Michigan, we will see all visits right now. But like it is such a hard school to get into. You have no idea what's going to work. Oh yeah. Such a good school. Yeah. So good. Make a call chef. Yeah. Yeah. Chef first. It's not that simple. It's not that simple. It calls the Morgan town in the Midwest. Not that simple. Michigan. Yeah. West Virginia lets everybody. If your daughter would like to go to West Virginia University, I know some people probably put on scholarship. She's a media person, right? Burgeoning media person, yes. Okay. So she can get it. She's on scholarship, West Virginia. If she like, wow. Yeah. I have to put that's huge. Now on that note, why don't you make a little bit of a donation to Michigan and maybe get the kids in for free? Why don't you do that? Why don't you buy it yesterday? Did you really? Yeah. What a quarterback or a wide receiver? No, no, no. It's your time. Actually, there was, we went, my friends and I went to the game this week in Chicago and one of the guys said, you know, you didn't charge for things to make a donation to the woman's program. So we did that yesterday. Oh, nice. Yeah. Which, which program just in general women's basketball program this way. I lost to Texas. Oh, it was close game. Yeah. Yeah. I was watching. That was crazy when it happened. Yeah, I was pretty bummed out. Women's basketball, hockey's in the frozen for men's basketball going to our house, Dusty's house this weekend. All right. Great new football coach. It's early. Yeah. Great new football coach winning him. He's pretty pissed about $50 million on the roster this year, but this is not Michigan's house. Okay. It's the Lod house in Indianapolis, Indiana, and it is hosting the final four. It is not the Michigan house. It is not Dusty's house. We'd like to let everybody know Illinois, you need to look up for it. There's gonna be a lot of words. Brad Underwood's. Yeah. Because it's coming back to his house as well. There's a lot of Indiana representatives here in the final four and they're going to take over that entire place. You con plus Michigan has the best odds to win the national championship. Yes, sir. Plus 170. You want to hammer that? Maybe the underdogs, aren't they underdogs and Saturday? No, your favorites by one and a half. I'll pick them, though. Yeah, one and a half is not a lot of points. Yeah, your favorite. You guys have had a dominant run here through much madness, brother. They've been good. They're there. It's a good, good group of people. You're just thinking about not going to see him play. Ty is a question for you, chef. No, I'd like to go see him play. It's complicated. It's getting there. It's getting tickets. It's all those things. Yeah, you're right. We have tickets for you. Make a call. Yeah, I mean, we don't have the Michigan connection that you're allegedly taking over a fucking stadium, but we could probably call somebody at the lot. Yeah, we could probably find you a ticket if we need to. Go ahead, Ty. Chef, he just curious. Last time you came on, you said that Kirk Cousins was basically like he's not just going to go take a one or two million dollar deal to be a backup quarterback somewhere. Where do we stand on that? I feel like that's the only name I've been seeing is, Hey, where's Kirk Cousins going to go? And is he maybe waiting? I don't know. Does he think he's going to be a starting quarterback in Pittsburgh potentially? Or is the idea that, Hey, we kind of know that Rogers is probably going to be going back to Pittsburgh and eventually here, Kurt Cousins, he does still want to play and he's just going to go be a backup. So it does sound like the Rogers thing and Pittsburgh thing is happening. Him and McCarthy are talking every day. Why are they talking every day? If he's not going back, it just is not official. It's not contractual. I was told, I don't know where they're at. They just, it's Aaron being Aaron, right? What's that mean? Hasn't decided. What's that mean? He's going through his process. Exactly. He's talking to big Mike every week. I believe Mike McCarthy said this morning, he was talking to him yesterday. What, I mean, what are we doing? Right? You either want to play or you don't. He's busy guys. We know why. Working on doing push ups. You know why? Phone time. That's what he's doing. It is underwear. That's what he's doing in my kitchen. You think he's worried about what's going on in August, September, October right now? No, can't. How could it? Now on that note, I assume he is actually. And if he is talking to Mike McCarthy every single week when Mike was sitting here yesterday, I was putting it to him a little bit, you know, because we're pretty comfortable with him. Like, well, why wouldn't he want to play in your offense for one last trip? Cause he loves your offense. He goes, conversations are going positively. And then I go, everybody here sounds like him. Everybody can imitate him very well. Pittsburgh. Yeah. He's against it. Right. It's pretty simple. So you think Aaron playing for the Steelers be my guest? Yeah. It seems like right. Right. Why don't you put a tweet out about it? No, that's why I say seems and be my guest because we want to keep it like that. Mark Kaboli, who's obviously the Pittsburgh Steelers, uh, correspondent for this program. We saw him last night for the first time this year. Mike McCarthy said he talked to Aaron Rogers last night. Those two talk more than me and my wife. So it sounds like they're getting tight. And Kaboli, he reached out to your wife. Exactly. That's the headline out of there that Mark didn't talk to his wife last night. Not just last night. Mark and open up conversation with miss Kaboli. Exactly. Yeah. Geez. Stop eating a manny sandwich right in front of her face and say hello. That's how her days go. And don't take your business with miss Kaboli public. Well, we don't know. Maybe they're an extra reality TV couple. Mark takes a lot of things. I would too. The Kaboli's. I'll tell you what. And then what if he starts working out so he can do what Aaron is doing with his. Get a PhD. Yeah. There's chance Kaboli boots. Actually, actually, they actually already did that show. What's that? Actually already did that show. Love is blind. No, it was, I believe it was a Mahershow or a Bob loves Abishio. Yeah, whatever. That's a question for Bill Garno's in it. Yeah. By the way, I didn't answer Ty's question. I think Kirk Cousins just sitting back and waiting. Whatever opportunity comes his way, he can be selective and choose. He's made as much money as NFL player. So he doesn't have to rush into anything like not going to be men. What backup? Or start and then that Mendoza come in. Yeah, maybe. But is he rushing out to Vegas now? He's got his family like, I don't know. Like he can go when he wants. He can go where he wants. He could play. He could not play. He could brug. I don't think he's rushing to anything until he feels like it's the right thing. Whatever that is. Yeah, Chef, he kind of a news story that hit the wire that kind of got us all going. It feels as though the front lines are the cheap lines now. They asked for money back from Frank. I think we had brand new graphic actually. If we could pull it up. Frank right now basically broke his neck and said, no, I still want to play. Yeah. Hella was already in time and they basically, it's almost as if they reversed the curse that they reversed that they're now going to be cursed again. Sheila Ford Ham brought in a whole new out of chest. That's the Lions. Who is that? Just random wine suit. No, it was, I think he made this before the most recent version of you're going to have to give us your money back, even though you certainly outplayed your contract and we are, I guess, not grateful. Jim Ursay gave Andrew Luck $25 million whenever he retired 13 days before just says a thank you to Andrew Luck. And I'm not saying that that's how you have to do it. But just the fact that the Lions are seemingly still up to their old tricks. What? Why would you do? Is this how normal is this? It's not normal, right? Especially with stars. If they were like bottom half of roster and didn't contribute to city to team, I think it'd be a little bit more broken throat. I was surprised to see that me too. Cause how much was it? Foxy, did you guys get like a new chair or something? No, I don't even know why I was defending the Lions right here. This is inexcusable. Those are three of the greatest players of my lifetime. By far and away. And like you guys said, Ragnar played through so many injuries and he was here during the greatest era of Lions football in the history of the franchise. I don't care how much it was. It could have been a hundred million billion dollars and we should have gave him the money. What the hell is going on, Chef? I know that they're going to honestly, and Taylor Decker said, what, they haven't talked to me. Yeah. Yeah. That was just that was like two, three months. He's being a little dramatic. We think I agree. But on that note, it does feel weird the way you guys treat your players. Honestly, right now, come back. Yeah. This couldn't pass the physical one hamstring. He is other hamstring disappears. Chef, to inform us a little bit why is it as abnormal as we are making it feel here? Cause it feels abnormal for your star players to have back money to the team that they've played for. I don't know how it works every team, but it feels more abnormal than not. I don't think that most teams do that. I'm open to be corrected, but it doesn't sound like teams asked their star players to start giving back money after that. And like, I don't know how this comes out like this. And then other players, you know, I think it was quandary digs, I believe he chimed in out in the lonely highs on who we know he chimed in basically also burying them. Like it just looks terrible as a team that we all think like, Hey, if you're trying to resurrect your team, do what the Lions did brand new. This feels like some same old shit. And I want to know who makes that decision. Is that actually the owner? Is that actually who ever sit in that chair? Or is it the president, Rod Wood? That needs to be cleared up there as well. Rod Wood's retiring. I wonder if they're gonna make him pay back his money. That's good question, Schafter. And thank you for being fair right there. Because normally your people in your position would not go to bat for players versus executives or coaches. Players earn all their money. And when they sign that contract, that is supposed to be guaranteed money. If it's guaranteed, why are we guaranteed to give it back? Well, the Lions said it's actually our money we gave him for future use. And he's not doing the future use. So that thing's gonna have to come back. It's just it optically looks stupid for a company that is billions and billions of dollars. How big the NFL is this guy rolled himself out of the hospital bed to try to play football for them because their offensive lines sucked this last year. And it ran a physical and like, dude, you're not healthy enough to play. He's all die out there. Just let me do it. And then on his way out after he failed a physical and will and die, like, oh, yeah, also, you know, it was 5 million cash on it on the way out, please. It's like, what? Why would you I don't know why you do that makes no sense. But hey, cut through business. That's their policy. Hey, where you go? You guys gonna be Peyton Manning and a guy from thumb and thumb or to put another how about there in their move in Penn a school left tackle. Yeah, that's that sounds like so will he get a new contract or they can ask for some of the right tackle contract back and then give them a different left tackle. That's a good question. I mean, honestly, we have to start asking me. It's what's any deal with the Lions. If you're a star player, you're gonna have to put in there like not paying this back. Remember correctly when they paid Penn a school, they paid him as the highest lineman in general, not right tackle, not left tackle specific. So I think that's where contracts at, but you never know these days. You never know what's gonna happen with that. I don't like that. We're a little hungover maybe so we're going a little harder than we should on the Lions, but this is disgusting. Disgusting. It's disgusting. I don't like you either, especially because I just met MCDC last night is one of the greatest things in my life. So I hate that this has to happen. Love is new here. Not his call. Sounds like it's over. It's not a CD. Yeah, I do. I saw you put out and we know Chris Ballard likes his guys that there's a possibility Anthony Richards and is still going to be on the Colts. Is there a market for him? Do you see him being on the Colts? What's the latest with that situation of the former number four overall pick? The market for him was soft. If there was a market for him, they would have traded him. Yeah, and it didn't materialize. So now you have to ask yourself, okay, is it worth it to deal him where you're like, I'm making some flipping picks like Richardson and a seven for a six. Like, why are you going to do that? You might as well hold on to the guy. He would obviously like a fresh start and go somewhere where he gets some reps and work and change the scenery. But you're not just going to give away the former fourth overall pick in the 2023 draft unless it makes a little sense. Now, we'll see how the draft materializes. Maybe somebody doesn't get somebody. Maybe somebody gives up some pick that makes it worth the Colts while. But there what they're saying there is we're not going to give him away. I don't think they're expecting a lot, but they're expecting something back and nothing is materialized so far. There's not been a team that has been overly interested in getting a deal. Now, I know Green Bay was out there. There was no real conversation. Now, maybe that'll happen and heat back up with the draft, but nothing so far. So did you follow up because you're a journalist with Kevin O'Connell who gave a full speech after a game to Anthony Richardson about how big of a dog is how good he is at football and how yada, yada, yada needs to keep going. Did you did you follow up that tweet saying there was no interest in trading for him with a, hey, remember this clip from Kevin O'Connell saying that he would love to coach this guy. But the Vikings signed Kyler Murray and they signed Carson Wentz to go along with changing my book. Okay. Well, ask Kevin O'Connell. He signs Carson Wentz over Anthony Richardson. Uh, that's obviously what he preferred. Okay. Yeah. So why don't you let him say, Hey, Kevin O'Connell, I thought that he obviously thinks Carson Wentz is a real dog too. We love Carson Wentz. He is a fun experience watching it. He almost died on the field last year for the Vikings. For us, there's a lot of people for the good of sport prime time to the good of sport. There's a lot of people though that whenever we were talking about Anthony Richardson not playing football, well, they're from other teams that were telling me I was the biggest piece of trash and I don't understand what ball is and I don't love, bubba bubba bubba. This guy has been available now, right? For nothing sounds like it would be minimal and nobody in the league wants. So that's a couple questions now. Injury that happened to him. Is he? Yeah. Do we know enough about the injury because it sounds like there was a lot of people that were interested in Anthony Richardson outside of the Colts, even though us who followed along with the culture like feels like he never maybe going to hit his ceiling here in Indianapolis for whatever reason, whether it's not understanding what a pro is not understanding what defense is. Maybe people getting hurt. Maybe him getting hurt, not getting reps freak accident happened and then he comes back seemingly figures it out. It's taking mental reps doing this whole thing has no idea what an elementary blitz is breaks his pinky first season whenever it was all going. It just like never really got going good, but I heard a lot of other people telling me that they would love to have him on their team and it's like now it sounds like that's not the case. Maybe everybody's just posturing, but I want to let you know there was a time and it's still there, I guess. Where I was a believer. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was look. There it is. We made that AR five. You see, we are believers. Ah, believe ours because I believed in him and you still are. You're not. I'm out on him as a cold. Yeah, sure. I'm out on him as a cold. I don't think it'll ever work at the golds. Well, anybody works golds. Seems like no. That's far, but maybe maybe this softened that up. There is no reason for that. It's like no, the guy fade away 70 yards row. Yeah. Donk from foul line. I would love if he was the Packers backup quarterback. I mean legit, like he there is certainly upside. So it's like, what was the injury? Was there more to the injury that we maybe didn't hear about? Didn't know that people learn more about it. Did they hear more stories about what's happened behind the scenes? And I want to bring that in. Is it just wrong timing? Like there's so much about it. But as one of the most hyped athlete quarterbacks, that least we've been around, especially because he came to our city, it's like the upside is still, I assume, very much there. It's there. It's just like, will you ever get by the way? And we've seen all these quarterbacks who have been taken high come back and have resurgent careers elsewhere. So that that has to make him even more attractive. True. Very true. Yeah. Speaking of Sam Darnoldt, Hard Knocks with Seattle, it feels like we're going to get a peek behind the man, McDonald's, Curtin and Sam Darnoldt. And then yeah, the Patriots, the Patriots the year after. First of all, how do they do like all of a sudden, hey, the next two years on Hard Knocks are decided? And will that maybe be the new thing? Like if you play in the Super Bowl, you're going to get Congrats. Yeah, you're getting Hard Knocks. I asked that question last night. How did it come to me? Because we've never seen it two years. And everyone always says, we'll do it next year. We'll do it next year. So they actually held a team's feet to the fires. Oh, the Patriots, you'll do it next year. You're in. You're the 2027 team. So that's why it's two teams and not one, because everybody always says they'll do it the next year. It's like, yeah, let's get lunch. Let's get lunch. Let's get lunch. And then you don't get lunch, right? They scheduled lunch for 2027 on Hard Knocks. Now let me say this, Mike McDonald, he's awesome. What a great guy. He is going to come across really well. He is so even killed. I said to him last night at that party, I'm like, how is this Super Bowl win? Has it changed your life? No, you don't feel like a certain puff out your chest here? No. One of the rare people that I've ever heard say that. No, no, he's like, hasn't changed anything. Just kind of working along. I thought it was interesting because usually, so when you talk to people that want a Super Bowl, like they feel like, you know, they're proud. It carries over for the season. Yeah. I saw him sitting down. You went over to him when he was sitting down. He was hanging out. Had to see a Seahawks hat. You sit down and go, what's up, dude? Feel like he got a little bigger in the pants because you want to see that's how I actually saw him. I said, you look bulky. I said, buffed, buffed. Like him and Nick, they both cut off. You know, they look good. Seriality people are killing. Yeah, they call them a chud, whatever that means. Yeah, I don't know what that means. I still don't know what that means, but a lot of people saw that tweet. It had a big number. Yeah. I don't know what they were saying, though. Chud. What do you think that? What do you think that is? Let me look at it. No, I think of it. Jacked. He looks big. He does. He does look jacked. And he's pie's on, you know, so probably eating still. Yeah. You know, he's honestly, he looks like that from right here. I don't have my glasses on. Oh, no. It looks like Dan Campbell. Like I would guess who's that? That looks like Dan Campbell. Just a, you know, a rocked up big guy. I mean, Sala, you don't want to be standing by sharing a hand. Good idea. Kind of turning the show. You want me to read the web, Merriam-Webster definition of chud. What does it say? Chud is a generalized term of disparagement used somewhat synonymously with full troll or jerk. Oh, that's not it. I ain't not look like a chud. I never heard that in my life. Yeah. I guess because you're not when he said, when he said, chud, I was thinking Rob Chudzinski. Sure. Oh, chud. Chud. Chud. Chasing you to an O maybe. With an E. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I think we all took the trip there together. He said chud. That's what he said. Okay. So, uh, Hard Knocks in Seattle and New England, which is awesome. Hopefully it'll be good. Hard Knocks obviously very important. August 11th. August 11th, it starts. Okay. August 11th, that starts with Seattle. Obviously very important to the history of the league. Hard Knocks, the inside scoop. Now, social media teams are able to do that. So, how does Hard Knocks stay relevant? Getting the two Super Bowl teams is a big way to do that. Yep. Because normally they do shit teams, you know, so that's a good thing. Super Bowl going to Las Vegas in 2029. You broke that yesterday. That feels like a big deal. Vegas is an incredible hook. We are fans of Vegas as a hosting city. Are they now just going to get into the LA, Miami, Vegas, I think New Orleans is Miami. I got one in a wall. That feels like Miami's getting skipped. Now is that the case? Yeah, it feels like there's a couple homes that become like the spot. Miami since the COVID. Like it was right before COVID, the Chiefs and the Niners. That was like COVID was hitting the next day that week. So Vegas probably going to become a likely. Yeah, I think obviously the league liked experience there the last time and it's going back there pretty quickly. WWE has done WrestleMania there now two years in a row. Like it. Their fans got really pissed whenever it was announced that it was back at WrestleMania. But I think anybody that went to WrestleMania there was like, it was a great setup. It's incredible. Yeah. It's a great hosting city, especially if you're going to have a good time. You know, like they are built for it. They are ready for it and it's all very accessible. I think Vegas is a great hosting. Yeah, Nashville, might you might keep eyes on national because that new stadium and Nashville is a city. Nashville, I'll bet gets a Super Bowl as they should multiple patients are getting into the rotation of the Super Bowl. By the way, man, the draft was there. That was awesome. That was the first big, big, big, big, big one. That was pretty cool. Yeah, was it 250, 300,000? There's a lot of people up and down Broadway. Yeah, I don't know why they haven't been back. I did the draft pick there for the Colts. You know what? Because there's a every city wants the draft. So they kind of spread the weather once. Yeah, Pittsburgh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you can't get a Super Bowl. Buffalo will get it probably because they're not going to get a Super Bowl with their new stadium. Carly or say yesterday, Carly or say Gordon yesterday said we are really lucky during the Super Bowl with the weather. Yeah, which I think if you actually like I know the people of Indiana like just speak positive about it because how much money comes to town, please don't say anything else. I'm gonna say this. The weather was we've never had that since and we only had football gods blessed Indiana for that. There was a zip line through the city in February. Okay. Yeah, right. It was negative 10 in Indiana this year. Right. Minneapolis when you guys were yeah, the way exactly. So like Indianapolis got very lucky and people left saying like maybe best Super Bowl because Al connected everything right very small town. But the weather was a huge part of that. New Jersey got it. Remember it was terrible weather. Yeah. So then everybody's like it was a shitty one because it was hard to get to everywhere. Well, and it snowed there's big storm the next morning. Exactly. So the draft has become a great replacement and Carly or say Gordon was like, I heard we got very lucky with the weather. So we definitely are interested in the draft and it's like the draft has become a replacement Super Bowl for football towns. I think it's a once again, a brilliant move by the NFL and it's only going to get bigger. I'm excited to see what Pittsburgh is. You know, it started, you know, they were at Radio City Music Hall all those years and Radio City Music Hall booked it for an Easter special with the Rockettes. The NFL got so upset that they said we're going to take it on the road next year and they took it to Chicago. Rest is history. Yeah, Raj, the Easter show. Thank you to the Easter show. It's shot out rock. The way the way the Raj talked about that was like, yeah, I told it like, Hey, it's a draft. They basically told us they didn't care. It's like, how'd you feel about that? Raj? That's probably the last time that's happened. Oh, yeah. And by the way, like when the draft was in New York, it was you could feel it was nice, but it's not like it is when it goes to these other cities. When it goes to these other cities, it's the biggest thing there is like the Pittsburgh public schools are closing. We're going to virtual learning. Green Bay when they paint the water seeker. Mac golden. Yeah, I know. And so it was great. Yeah, every Detroit wants the draft. Detroit was fantastic. DC should be pretty well. Good. DC is going to be beautiful. It's going to be on the mall. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's gonna be a cool setup. Awesome. That's going to be fantastic. Are you going to bring your politics into the draft when you're out there? No, I know. Excess getting picked number one over all the department of war. Yeah. Next year, he's top of a lot of people's boards. I heard cash is going to try to get himself drafted. Yeah, I could see that to the NFL. People are not happy with what he did. A lucky thing. They were not happy about it. What did you? Did you report any news on that? Hey, way to keep politics. I sport. Yeah. I can shaft her. Hey, anything else? Oh, Oh, uh, well, I will say this. We had, we had long talks, you know, you reviewed the film and started the tape and try to see how you can do better. So Pat and I had a long kind of moment about that. And we think we can make the show even better than it's been this season. But today, as for anything else going on right now, it's kind of quiet. We're waiting for logic about it's going to go away. Wait for it. I gave him a speech about like, Hey, if we don't ask you about something, you're allowed to do the Oh, and also that is it is basically what I said. Like, Hey, chef, you're allowed to do the and also if we don't ask about it, like we if you think something we should talk about, we would appreciate if you did that. You're like, Okay, so like when I bought, but bought in that I do and also you did and also there isn't much also today. Well, pro pro league a pro flag football league. Correct. Well, I'll say it also and also the NFL is really behind that flag football. Like the NFL, but you blew it. He had to do it. Yeah. But is the flag football that like, is it breaking? I did see Sean Payton say, Oh, that was kind of an embarrassment. I don't think there's gonna be any NFL players in the Olympics. He said that this morning. There's just more. Shrager says I'll be surprised if there's one NFL player on that team. USA flag roster says Sean Payton after what he describes as a humbling experience coaching the NFL's best and the founders team in the fanatic super duper flag football deal. That's all the NFL players get bam, boozled by fanatics and have to play the greatest flag football players of all time on TV. That is that is what there's no way the boys were told. Hey, you guys about to get your dick kicked. Yeah, no way that happened. No, I will say we're definitely winning the gold. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Little little uh, that's all. Yeah, that guy Brown Jr. And and who's who's Ducet? Yeah, and Zod. No, no, no, who's Ducet's do said some nickname who's he's the he's the he's the the guy. He's the one we're definitely winning gold. That's all it matters. He's the one that said he was bearing my homes. Yeah. Yeah. And then we all say shot it and then turns out they play in a game in the middle of the offseason with Logan Paul and I show speed on and some retired players who haven't played football in a long time. And those guys certainly did beat the NFL guys. And it was really prideful moment watching team USA just run it up on guys I know and then talk shit. Yeah. I really like that team USA. Luke Keekley still icing his knees. That was unfair. Luke Keekley didn't know what he was getting. No, I know. None of these guys are getting into give him a month though. Not that any of them will spend a month of their life, which is part of problem. Doing the little flag avoid. Yeah. The elevator. I don't know what they call it, but that is the move. Yeah. Mackenzie needs to learn that stat for whenever she gets into flag football. All right. So you got nothing else to tell us. Sorry. I wish I did. I thought you had a good performance at that party last night, Chef. Especially I didn't know you're just going up to guys. Ask them if they're peacocking around now. I didn't know you're doing that. That's good journalism. Oh, yeah. I appreciate whatever it takes Pat to do the job. You do not drink, right? I mean, I every now and then I do, but not often. Yeah, like last night you were watering, I think. Correct. The boy though, the boy you had out there. Oh, he drinks. Oh, yeah. He drinks for the both of us and then some. There you go. Yeah, he was having a good time last time, having a good time, which I'm happy. Good. It was very nice to meet him in person. Just like we appreciate the hell out of you, ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider, Michigan man, Adam, Chef. Chef. Thank you. Yes. Oh, no, no new. Chef. You guys gonna win this weekend? I'm joking. No, it's me. It's me. Bro. All right. See you. I'm out of here. Thank you. Chef for you. The best genuinely. Chef is got enemies in this place. What? Oh, yeah, he keeps that thing on. You got a speech last night. There's no enemies. Oh, shit. Shraig ship. Yeah, you're at this thing. That's what I'm saying. Everybody kind of puts their swords, put the swords away. That's what I'm saying is like once people start pointing out others, other wars that, you know, kind of have a, what's that called? Ceasefire. Yeah. At these league meetings, I started thinking to myself, Oh, you guys have hated each other a lot longer than I hate all these other people. Yeah, I did see him in rap, though. They won four head to four head like Dan Hurley and the ref on that note. Dan Hurley was going to join the show today. He will not be. Okay. We'll add him though. Saw some people tweeting that they're excited to see his response on a program about him. Certainly potentially earning a technical file, but the ref understand he just want to hear what he was saying. He was having a moment there. We were excited for that moment as well. We look forward to talking to coach Dan Hurley. Hopefully, I watched that video a thousand times. How could you not? We called you, caught it. Say, is this fake? Did he actually do this thing? It was non combative. You just couldn't hear a person. You look at it from that angle. It's like, Oh, he was just kind of just trying to hear him, but he certainly was letting him know what's on there. If he would have had his code on normal, it wouldn't have been a big deal, but he just looks like such a deranged psychopath right there that it's kind of and then the way he walks. Yeah. What's that? What's that? What you say? I love the ref say you didn't remember it after you. What are you talking about? I love it. Even the ref being like, what the hell just happened? That's what I'm saying. I do. I do like that the refs know that, Hey, when you're a ref in a Dan Hurley game, four, four heads worse it gets. That's good. Bullgum. Yeah. Elite eight buzzer beater. Okay. Fine. Okay. You got it. Dan Hurley. Also, we don't know if that's their, their handshake. True. Nobody has been able to clarify that. We're going to ask Dan Hurley. Obviously we'll hope to talk to him in the future. He's locked in trying to wait for you. He's locked in. The boys are ready to go. Braylin's a stud. Carabin's ready to do it. What Michigan's excited. So is Illinois. Why Arizona? Are fantastic as is the event that we are currently guests at. We have no idea how we've gotten invited or why we're allowed to be here, but we will tell you that the NFL League meetings happening right here at the Biltmore Hotel in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona have been spectacular. It's been great to catch up with everybody. There's some news coming out of here. Biggest one, the refs in the NFL aren't getting along. That is the biggest at all. That's a constant conversation around football people strictly because we understand how important the officials are. They have a CBA negotiation happening. They always get ugly. Hopefully they're able to get that done. 18 games is coming. Heard some people from my source says at the league say, do we need a second buy? Oh, come on. Whoa. Second buy. Come on. The near last night. Wasn't wasn't from bulls. Oh, okay. Wasn't from bulls. Okay. Then somebody dropped into like history. Like, you know, last time there was two buys. It's terrible. Terrible for the game. Maybe do a little research. There we go. It's not going to get passed without another buyer week, right? And wouldn't a buy week be another week? What's going on? Nick just talked to my ear as well. Hold on. It sounds like there's a little thing going on the truck there. Oh, we're all right. I think we're good. Gentlemen. I think we're good. Are they confirming second buy? That's what I'm saying. I don't know. It literally, Nick Mulalda just hopped to my ear was like, I think we're good. They were down. You guys on a hot mic. Oh, yes. I like that. Is that what happened? What happened? I was peeing in a portage on right before the show came back live. What happened? I don't know. You guys said something. No, I have no idea. Oh, sounds like, Oh, boys. Sounds like there might be a little bit of an Arizona Tuesday happening right now. No, exactly what we're talking about. So I feel very good about whatever, whatever thoughts that might full panic from Nick's, Nick's mountain of my year there. Just a few minutes ago. It was not supposed to go into my right ear. I do not believe it. I currently having an anxiety attack in that truck. I said, I said, I said, you, but I said, you, Collins definitely not showing up at the final four. And D, but what the hell do we just talk about that first hour? Lights were hot during the break. Cause we're good. But I was in a Porta John. I'm not sure. It talks to tables here at bus corner at Ty's Schmidt. One after the hammer. Cowboys, AP turns here, nine year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler's here and you need to lock the door. Not touching anything in there. Butch. I don't know. Piss like Kaboli with my cheeks out. Standard. What a John etiquette is let people outside know that you're in there. Have to the way you do that is you slide the thing. Yeah. You slide the thing. Go from green to red. Yeah. Not touching. He green Porta John, only two Porta John's. Everybody sprint over there, especially with how we're living right now. So everybody was heading to the Porta Johns. See green. Okay. I just run over there was laid over here. Obviously. Exciting. He said run over the pool. I think head down shoulder in D, but while he's peeing, he's in a urinal on the left side here too. So I go in and he goes, whoa. And I'm like, what are you even doing? Something on your foot. And I say, you got to lock this thing. Yeah, I'm not touching that thing. It's like, we just had a full memory. I'm a spear Jane here. I come running rains because you didn't, you never do that. No, but you have to expect that to happen. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's the mayor here alongside Jay Glazer, a man who is the only person that kind of told us what schedule was. Yeah. Man who took care of us incredibly well. He invited us to eat Mr. Chris Bianco's pizza the other night. He is a living legend, friend of the program, Emmy Award winner, ladies and gentlemen, Pierce Schrager. Pierce Schrager. Hey, baby, Shraggs. Hey, good to see you, dude. Thank you for joining us again. Yes, they got cut off a little bit. I'll tell you, I got good news for you today. We need all your stuff. None of our time. Yeah, we do. Can I, can I tell you, I know you spoke to Adam for a while, but gosh, I loved seeing you boys last night at that event. You were killing it, Shraggs. Shraggs, you spoke glowingly of that event numerous times. I think it was an incredible event last night. It was nice to see everybody. It was crazy that the amount of people that were super comfortable in there last night, like GM's head coaches, ownership groups, I mean, all in there having a good time. It was special. It felt like it was a good thing for the league last night. And we appreciate you kind of guiding us through all of it, literally, because we have no other information about any of this stuff around here. 100%. I wanted you guys all to experience a different side of the NFL where everyone's guard is down a little bit. It only happens this week really, because all 32 teams were done with free agency. We're heading towards the draft, but we're not close enough to the draft where it's secret season. All their families are here, and the drinks are flowing. And we should give out some awards, I think. Okay, let's do it. We don't know what all we're allowed to say. What I let off the show was saying was I watched some people in there last night that I did not expect. Really, Ty went on. I thought this was a fight club situation. You're not allowed to talk about it. Yeah. Yeah, but how are we not supposed to? No, no, I mean names. We didn't mention any names. No, no, no. If you'd like to give out some awards, I think you potentially, me and D-butt with like an award alongside D-Bone and Gumby. We're one of the last five people. Were you really? Yeah, we're one of the last. So I left it. D-Bone got off the roster spot. I left it. What's that? D-Bone got off of the roster spot. What team? Dallas Cowboys. Cowboys. I'm not supposed to say. There's a chance D-Bone is going to have a workout for the Dallas Cowboys. What position? Anything you want to. I will say immediately upon it coming out of Shadi's mouth to D-Bone, I said he's got thin feet, and this guy doesn't have a lot of discipline. You don't want that. And then he rescinded the offer. There was a moment in time. And I'm happy for him because I swear I saw him Sunday after Duke Lawson. He was about to walk into traffic. That guy has really had. He's had a little bit of an Arizona whirlwind, I would say throughout this entirety. But yeah, Shadi did a point at him. I like your body. No. It was actually the complete opposite. It was just me. I was trying to get him back into shape. That was the motivation because I asked Shadi to ask how old he was, guess how old he was. I think Shadi said like 45 or something. Yeah. Tucked in. I mean, it was a bad time. Then he said, how old are you, 26? Then we said, he's a national champion. And Shadi goes, you want to play for the Dallas Cowboys? And D-Bone gets so excited. And I'm like, you don't want that. And then he goes in the full, like, yeah, but could be motivation to get this guy best version of himself. And then he rescinded the offer. And D-Bone welcomed it. We get back to the hotel last night. Forgot about, do you remember this? Yes. Air strike. Air strike McDonald's. Yeah. We get back to the lobby. I don't know, two, whatever time it is. We were late. We were late. I mean, it was very late when we get in here. We walk in here. He has somebody that works at our hotel waiting on him with a McDonald's bag. Mr. Murphy? Right in front of us. Would you like to know how that ended? He told me, fell asleep with fries in his hand. Yeah. 26 bone. Tighten up. Not to rub it in. He called for an air strike for McDonald's every single day. We were in Arizona. I heard the exact same thing the two previous days. I had to get McDonald's late night because nothing was open. There was a lady holding it like this. He walked right in, walked up there. Seamus. I'm like, what are you doing? To be fair, he sleeps better when there's loose fries in the bag. The awards I could say though, it's like, I'm not saying this drunkest person, maybe the most gregarious, maybe the person that surprised you the most, maybe the most gregarious. Go for it. Maybe it's the person that you didn't think necessarily would be a warm reception and that you got. I'm going to say the MVP every year. And it's not because of the drinking consumption, just the friendliness and the charismatic. John Schneider, the GM of the Seahawks, is the winner always. I would agree. He's the most secure in his job. He's the most successful at his job. And he's also the nicest guy and has stories galore. And he can hang. So did you, did you happen to see Ty was with Schneider and McCarthy last night for, I don't know, hour and 45 minutes and Mrs. Schneider, I do believe. Tracy. Hello. So she's awesome. You could see that Ty was doing the, well more. He was walking back with four drinks. Okay. Every single time it was, he was 50 yards away from us. We were watching Schneider was big for our group as well. Ty was over there with him. I got to tell a story. I told him a beer in his pocket. He did open beer in his pocket while he was drinking. That was, yeah, fight club. We don't want to give away too much. That's a good move. You need to know that that's happened. He's off. He's off. Yeah. He is incredible. And he's also going to go down as one of the goats. He's built two Super Bowl champions with completely different rosters. Exactly. Yeah. And he goes a human. And he's the man. Yeah, which is a really cool thing. The league, you can see how special some people that are running the league or last night. Yeah. Charismatic is a good word. And there are some people that are just magnets at these events and everyone just goes to them like, flies on, you know what? And it's, you have a few of those. Well, my favorite moment was, and I told, I told this to Ty just a second ago, we're all having fun, whatever. And then I think Zito pulled me over and is like, look at how happy Ty is. He was sitting with Rob Domofsky and that Schneiderman and the three beat reporters from the Packers. And he was, he was a home court. I said, I'm like, just the half is, so Schneiderman over there. Who else was over there? Yeah. Wes Hodgkovitz who works for the Packers. And then obviously Bob Domofsky. Yeah, the Godfather. Shrags. Now we're saying he was holding court with Green Bay and then he went to Seattle at one point. Buffalo, a bit of Buffalo. Buffalo. Those guys are up front. Yep. That was a good little run. Joe Buck also had a nice little beer to see Joe. I mean, all the folks with Greg Olson, yeah, a nominal. I'll send I had dinner with Olson. I'll tell you this. I didn't know it's also not going to embarrass him, but I will. Olson, he gets a slider in his hand. All right. Like a, like a Hamburg or whatever. Just all over the place, right on his shirt. And then all over the, that's a disgusting sound effect. All over himself, all over. He's got just disgusting, like meat sweats and meat stains all over him. And I look at him like, we can literally go right to my hotel. We can get you a new shirt, whatever he goes, party starts at seven. Let's go, bro. He was in just floppy hair. He seems to be the least maintenance person. I love at his profession and how good he is. I mean, remember that was a big story going into the year. Tom Brady's taking his spot. That's bullshit. I think everybody still feels that way, but we're all just kind of waiting to see where Greg Olson ends up. I think everybody likes Greg. Yeah, I think Greg needs a prime time. He does. He does be on a prime time game every week. He is one of the best in the business when it comes to color commentary. Not saying it for me, but he's obviously awesome. Whenever you run into him, the same guy, like you said, least maintenance, but he is great on the mic fits and wit were there last night. As was Kaylee Hartung, the whole Amazon. That was great. That was cool group over there. Troy, do you have any time with Troy? Troy was amazing. Troy Aikman. Yeah. No, I don't know how we are with Troy. I'm beyond. No, I think he's, yeah, I like him. Troy's great. I was a Joe Buck for a long time. He bucks the best. Yeah, we had half the booth last night. Troy never comes on our show. Then Rich Eisen's first day on ESPN at noon. He's on the show. Okay. So Troy always tells us can't do it at noon. Sorry, it's impossible. First day Rich is on Troy's like, give me on that. So I won't take it as a personal heat, but I do not know. We don't know Troy like that on that note. Joe Buck was legendary. Yeah. He's called six Super Bowl. This is about to be a seventh Super Bowl. He's outrageously talented and has story for literally everything, everything, every person. Yeah. He was phenomenal. Burke, I think did a great job at this thing last night. Burke Magnus. Magnus. This used to be his gig. Yep. These types of events. He might be the best in the history at these types of types of events. And he was, he's put on an absolute show. It was good to see everybody. It was fun. Jay Glazer. Jay Glazer. Okay. Let me talk about Glaze as a vent last night. Best yesterday. So he takes great pride in this. I worked with Jay for many years at Fox. Two of us have a very good relationship, even though I am now playing for the other squad, right? Glaze every year takes great pride in that on Monday from one to three at the annual league meetings. He tries to get as many coaches as he can for a heavy drinking session, hang session, all that stuff. Right. And here it is. Jay got 18 of 32 coaches. 28. Sorry, 28. Brought Michael Phelps. Brought Mark Kerr, I believe. The smashing machine, sure. Shout out to my favorite guy, Dwayne Johnson. And he played that well. I'm not really a huge man. I don't know. Anyway, it's fine. I think he is the man though. I think you could say that. Yeah. I think he's he won right into like Emily Blunt. She was fantastic in that movie. And I think rock and Emily Blunt are kind of, you know, they've been in a few that Dwayne's the man. I think you should not feel bad about complimenting Dwayne. Dwayne is pretty good. So people attacking him for the hair thing, the live action Moana. So that it's like it's the rock. And that's how Molly calls for him. Yeah, he's he is Maui. You're okay. So Jay's thing, I was just like, enough with the rock. I don't know. Jay's pop a two. He's so good. Yeah. So yeah, Terra Moana, right? Yeah. Yeah. What do we think about live Moana? I'm excited for it. Yeah. The rocks going to kill it. They better amp up the colors. Let me tell you something about the live Moana. And I think I can go on and on. I can explain every natural phenomenon. You know the song. So the guy, there's a guy named Bo Flynn. I sat next to on a plane and he's one of the producers of this movie who's telling me they found a girl to play the role who has never done like a bit and she won out of like an open audition and it's one of the great like Hollywood so I am rooting for this girl. I don't know her name, but like she's going to be Moana and she's never done any of this stuff. And we would like say the rock needs one on a scoreboard as well. We would like this to do very well. It'll make a billion dollars mark smashing machine. Didn't do as well. That's not mean the guys not critical. Critical got very like I think it's a safty brother film like the critical reception was fantastic. But on that note, was there yesterday with Michael Phelps and 28 coaches with Jay Glazer. So they're all there drinking. It leads into the whole thing. But the big question mark was will Mike Tomlin show up because Tomlin and Glazer started this thing 18 years ago. So I was thinking maybe, maybe Tomlin comes from wherever he's been watching his daughter doing gymnastics, almost like with the American flag like Rogers out of the tunnel like lights and he shows up and it's like, let's go. Tomlin did not show up. So 28 of 32 and we were hoping for an emeritus role from Tomlin, but Tomlin has not been seen at the league. Okay. Yeah, we have not seen him. We would have tried to find him. We did see all the Steelers with our last Mike McCarthy also MVP. It is think he was one of the four. I do believe they were not at Jay Glazer's thing. Now Jay Glazer told us, Mike's normally there. As I said, Mike was in the middle of potentially talking to I heard he was in some meetings. Okay, he's potentially actually talking to the quarterback. He could be doing two things at once. He had these, but he could also be working very hard on acquiring something. Hey, you got to put your mic up on your mouth. You wanted to get in an Emmy. Remember that? Yeah. It's sorry. You, when you, when he gave one of these, we did not want you to hold back from doing the, you know, you continue to, I'm trying to bring the juice. And if I do that, and I lose my microphone, thank you for backing me up guys. Yeah, no, but you've got a handheld here too. So if you get two, you just go ahead and grab it. Go ahead, Ty has a question for you, Shraig. So how much, we asked Shafty this, like how much actually gets done last night? Like our guys actually talking about stuff. Like what, what is your combine is where things, or you're getting your nuggets because free agency is coming up. So it's like, all right, which agents met with which teams and we've now narrowed down, you know, Kenneth Walker, I knew at the combine was likely going to be a Kansas City chief based on the conversations that we're having. And it's not legal tampering. It's like, all right, what's the roster composition? Who's there and what do they need? And what are the chiefs focusing on? Whatever this is the one week where it's really laid back. So what your best bet is, if you're someone like me is build a relationship, go up to someone you might not know that well. I personally had no relationship with Brian Schottenheimer before yesterday. I went up to him, we had a coffee, we did NFL live, we talked for 20 minutes, have his number now, Brian Schottenheimer, someone that I can go up to and have a cool trick. Yeah, that was a big win. No, but you do that. Shots. And it's that it's that times 32. It's you're talking just now just talking to Mandy Shanahan, Kyle's wife, who I've met before, but we're just having a casual conversation, whatever Kyle comes by, we talk. It's more about relationships and getting those contacts and saying, hey, okay, we are humans. We are working together here. I'm here if you need me. I also will be reporting the news, but there's a face behind the tweets. And I understand you guys, you know, however I can help you, but also vice versa, let's talk and let's have an open dialogue. So this is where that really is established. Yeah, it's a good, it's good for the league. This is very good for the league. I was kind of out on it. I thought it was all a bunch of bullshit. And then last night, I saw how in everybody was. Yeah, Mark Davis is sitting four feet away from, yeah, I mean, just sitting there smoking a cigar, trying to look at him. Holy shit. Nice to see you, man. Good to see you guys. Just so happy. I'm sitting by himself. I'm like, you've been coming to these your whole life. Yeah, these are really good. And then I asked him, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this out of this because that's all off the record in there. According to source says that we're sitting very close to me last night. I don't think he's getting out of ownership. Just, I don't know if that's breaking news or not, but there was a bunch of things being said that he was going to get run out basically. From my understanding, I don't think that's going to be the case. No, no, I don't think I have not heard of. I think it is. See you guys in the next 30 years. Yeah, he was electrifying. He's the best. Yeah, he is a character. There's also a thing about this where like vibes, characters are welcome in this. This guy's, you know, like characters. Yes. So like Todd Monkin is a character. Like I was talking to him about character and like that's maybe some of these guys don't have nine to five jobs at the accounting firm. There's a place for them in the NFL. If you can coach, if you can own, if you can talk, if you can be a everyone's so different and so unique. And yet the melting pot is this league and the love for the game and the past. It's cool to see everyone in their I wanted to be in Mark Davis's aura there basically. This huge smile. Just a huge smile just sitting there by himself, just smoking a cigar, smiling. Fitts walks over. Hey, how you doing? Good to see you. That's a big smile. He goes, yeah, I'm just happy, man. I turned to D, but I'm Mark Davis just said he's just and D. But I guess, well, why wouldn't he? We did a full cheers to him. He was not drinking. He was just smoking cigar, but we did a full like good for you, dude. And that was just like a casual four minutes last night. It's outrageous that we're here. D, but as a question, you just brought up Todd Monkey. No, and obviously we talked about the Sean Watson and what Jimmy Haslam owner and said, Shadoi's been in the building, new number. Shout out to do it. But if you had a place of bed right now, week one, who's Todd Monkey start? Oh, I mean, I was just saying with him at the coach's breakfast and I was listening to every word. So to Sean Watson, he has spoken to, but what Watson, I don't think has been around as much. And then Shadoi has been there every single day. Then Dylan Gabriel has not been there and they can't play football yet, but they can all be in the building and work out and everything. So if I was to put a bet right now, I would say Shadoi is likely in the lead spot, just on the fact that he finished off last year and has been in the building and all that. But they are hoping that, yeah, to Sean Watson's on the roster that this guy can actually compete for the job. I don't envision them taking quarterback at six. And despite him knowing Ty Simpson very well, because he knows Ty's dad Jason Simpson from their college days, I don't think quarterback in the first round for the Cleveland Browns. Okay. I think everybody's kind of saying that that has information. We'll see how it all goes. Obviously, all you need is one person to change their mind on a very important night to make a decision on draft night that kind of changes it to Sean Watson playing football again, good for the Browns would be a little trip and nostalgia back whenever ball was ball. Let's go back when ball was ball and the fanatics flag football game. You kind of alluded to this. Yeah, they go ahead. Yeah, you did. Triggs, when you, when you talk to us about Odell and his comeback, and then I saw a report from a guy who I believe is real Dan Duggan about Odell being here yesterday, because he's in Arizona potentially meeting with the Giants yesterday. Is that the latest news on the potential return of Odell to the New York Giants? He was spotted at this. He's spotted as Dan has that. I can't tell you how legitimate a spot would be. But having spoken with Giants sources after that breakfast where the hardball was completely over the moon about Odell, I wouldn't close that door at all. It has to make sense. Look, not only do they need a receiver and not only does Odell want to be back in the NFL and I think the Giants would be a great place, there's still a lot of love for Odell Beckham in that Giants organization ownership on down. So when they were having their Odell moment in 2013, 2014, and he was doing the one hand that catches, it was a really cool time for the Giants fans. And I would tell you that there is a lot of love from the highest levels for Odell Beckham. Okay, let's go to the truck, a man who's a diehard Giants fan who while you were talking about, you know, the Odell Beckham Jr. love over there in New York and as a Giants fan, I believe a man who was potentially walking these grounds yesterday and maybe had eyes on the situation. Also, a guy would love to see this happen alongside Malik neighbors, Jackson Dark, and why not have Fofo in the back door there with Scataboo. Bruce Brown, your thoughts on how this is all kind of playing out. He texted me too. And he said, Shregs kind of alluded to this yesterday. Just Bruce would like to, Bruce would like to get in here. It feels like, and he was in my ear while Shregs was talking there saying, Hey, I can also legitimize this. Bruce, if you would like to double down or add anything on the Giants beat that you saw last night. Yeah, I'm actually pretty confident that I am the one who spotted it. And said, holy shit, I can't believe that's going on right now. What did I say? I said, it could happen, I think. And then it was confirmed. Yeah, that's it. This is the source. Yeah, that's good reporting. Jordan Renan, we met him yesterday. Yeah, he looks very cool. Yeah, this guy walked onto this 120 degree astroturf or I'm sorry, astroturf cement here. He had suit. The hair was perfect. We walked up. We appreciate him. Chris from old son. Yeah, a couple of his tweets. Jordan's a good man. Good man. Good man. He had good energy. Bruce, though, as soon as you saw him, so excited about his life. He felt a little tingle everywhere. You know, he walks right up to him and starts chatting with him. The OBJ thing feels like he's going to be a giant. When would OBJ want to do that? And when would Harbaugh want that? Oh, I think OBJ would be down to do it tomorrow if it's possible. I think the Giants are waiting out and seeing how things are going. They're not in any rush, but I think there is mutual interest. I'll say that. Okay. I love to hear that. Storylines continue to brew out here in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona for the number one league in the world. Conman has a question for you, Shraig. Yeah, Shraig. You mentioned this channel hands earlier. So I'll ask you about what Kyle mentioned about how, Hey, we got to go 19 hours to Australia, basically travel in time, whether that's forward or back up to you. Hey, is there anything positive about that, coach? As of right now, no, it feels like my entire team is going to be screwed for a month after this entire thing. What is kind of the vibe? Is that the vibe right now with the entire game? And then also I want to ask you the trend, William situation that quietly feels like it's massive, but it's just kind of at bay right now because no one's really wants to pay him or make a huge trade with Trent Williams. Where are they? Let's start with the international piece. It's not going anywhere. If the NFL has told us anything over the last three days, flag football and international are their two biggest priorities and they want to really expand. And with the international piece, the Australia thing, they have now changed the date to the start of the NFL season from Thursday to now Wednesday. And that's when the Seahawks are going to play. Then the Rams and 49ers are going to play on Thursday, which is not traditional. And if you're the 49ers say, okay, I understand the league has these initiatives. This is a, this is a lot. And they're going a week early to go prepare for this game. So their sleep and their bodies can all be adjusted. That's a lot. That's also a divisional rival. It's a huge game when you play the Rams talk to the Rams guys. They haven't decided what they're going to do. Traditionally, when they go to London, they usually just fly with a shirt. They went, there's a yellow cap. I just showed up a few more. There's billionaires everywhere. Yellow cap to show. All right. Go ahead. Shrakes. Shrakes, please. The Rams, when they go to London last year, they flew in, they flew out and they're like, we're not doing the whole song and dance. We're coming in. You're not even going to see us. We're going to be like ghosts. We're going to come in. You can't do that with Australia. So this initiative for the league is enormous. And yet the coaches are feeling a little unfiltered here. And Kyle Shanhansing from a football perspective, this is obviously not ideal. They're playing at 1035 in the morning in Melbourne, Australia. Yeah. I, to start the season like that feels like you're going to be catching up. That's crazy. The chiefs last year and it wasn't complaints, but they said, you know, going to Brazil and then the Packers the year before that going to Brazil to start. It's not ideal. I understand the league has their initiatives and we're going to do this. And it's what we want. We want to expand the game. But from a strictly football standpoint, you want one o'clock Eastern on a Sunday. Everybody's got to just deal with it. It is. That's it. And the game will continue to grow, you know, because Australia will like our sport. Now granted, 1035 AM. I'm excited to see how much they like our sport. It's a huge game to send to Australia. Mass. It's an enormous game. I don't want to see championship previews. Exactly. And I don't want to say anything about the Jags. Okay. Cause we love where the Jags are. Feels like it is the brand new Jags. William Cohen's a dog. We love Stoner. The Con family has done their entire thing. But London for a long time was Jags who can't sell out their stadium. Send that shit to England. They own a soccer team over there too. So they know they lay the land over there. Send them to England. They were going to become England's team. That was almost like the initiative. This is a gigantic game just to send all the way to Australia for the first time. Granted, Australia has contributed to the NFL numerous times, especially with the punting techniques that are all over the place, let alone the actual Australians that have been punting. I think there's an Aussie baseball player that's very good. Jordan Milata. Jordan Offensive Lyman who's very good. So it's like the Australian body type is good for American football. I think they especially the punting everything. I think their game catching like once guys start getting into the right football thing as Becky's. I think it's only going to continue to grow in Australia. But man, the timing is difficult and to send two top teams down there to begin the season. They're opening up for a lot of people to be pissed off about the team's playing like shit afterwards. Granted, if they defeat it, no, because if you fall asleep and wake up in the morning in Australia, technically in your life, you should just wake up on pace. I assume they have a bunch of signs for it and did. I did this last off season. It's going to say you went, right? It took me three, four days to like feel like I was back there. They're going a full week ahead of time. Yes, I think they should be good, especially professional athletes, but it's crazy to put these are two. And those are what I would say crown crown jewel franchises. And I think that's what they're saying to Australia. That was like, Hey, we respect you. We're not just going to give you a Jags Browns or whatever. Like we think and I think it's going to grow. I think it's going to be good for the game ultimately with cows said the game, I guess we're spreading other than I have no idea any positives. And he didn't deliver it that way. But that's probably they had meetings in there yesterday. And I'm not privileged enough to be in those meetings. They're just for the owners and the people on the committees. When I tell you that this flag and you mentioned with Adam that this tomorrow sports or whatever the company that does TGL is doing a professional flag football flag football league, that is going to be a massive initiative for this league to get behind it. Oh, stop. So it was a it was it's an it's a very big initiative to now have a piece in a professional football league that the NFL is very behind with equity partners that are, you know, the private equity that are the temperate, whatever it is. And then international is massive. And so we're going to flip over every stone. Everybody can play to pads, helmet, the whole thing. Not even some of these women men, not as easy in some places. If you don't have the full foundation Academy kind of coming through it, flags are so easy. Flags are just so easy to get everywhere. Seven on seven don't need a four 11 on 11. You do five on five. Obviously you can do four on four. I love the flag initiative. Now, I don't think we should be just acting like it is football, though. I think we learned that with a difference. Yeah, very I think it is great for football. It is incredible for football. So I saw you I saw you use my quote from Peyton. I sat at his table for the breakfast and Sean was preparing for like two weeks for that game like and thought that he had a playbook and he's ready and it's a lunatic and didn't want to lose. And he's like it was a very humbling experience. Did the players think they were going to beat those guys? Yes. Even with like the retired guys and yes, yes. Luke Keekley said, you know what, we're going to be okay. Who told him they're going to be okay? Fanatics. Definitely. Yeah, I assume they weren't doing it to get their ass kicked on national television. That's what I'm saying. I think there had to be a bamboozling that took place. These guys actually thought they were going to win, right? Yes. And, and Peyton treated it seriously. Brady treated it very seriously. These guys were like they were and he said it was a humbling experience. And then I, you know, I said it, he said, I would be shocked if we have an NFL player on this team USA in 2028. It's a different sport. I don't think our guys are going to want to do it. No. I'm told, and this isn't from Sean, this is from people who are, I'm told is hell bet. He wants this. He wants to win an Olympic. He got tackled three times in the flag. Yeah. So we're happy about that. But I, and also he's a player, but I don't know if he has the elevator six floor to second floor back up to the seventh floor down to the first question is, and it's, you know, I talked to Olson for a while who called the game and I was talking, he said, you know, the question is, if you say Kyler Murray, who would be great at flag football, that like runner, can you commit, would you be willing after the season to give us like a month of hardcore training? It's tough to ask these guys in the off season, you know, like, hey, you're going to commit to this because who should do set has been training his whole life for this. And it's a different spot. Damn right. And who's got that dog? Are you kind of a who's to set guy? It sounds like you're well, I'm just saying like, Hey, if we want to win a gold, like we don't need Joe Burrow be in the quarterback for our team. We need fucking who's and no one else will sit. We're talking about who's to set here. Not some guy. Yeah. So he's not just full time quarterback. As you know, Joe could be on the team and who's to set could be on team. He also plays slot wide receiver. I don't need who's catching balls. I need who's dropping dimes and pulling flags. The thing that Olson said was maybe the most surprising for them, the players, because he spoke to him and Greg was like, I think they thought they were going to like throw the ball and it was going to be like, Hey, three step drop past the same. It's, it's, it's a lot of laterals. It's, it's all sorts of different movement. And we don't know the rules. You don't even know if you don't have a bamboos. Tom Brady's going three step drop. Look at like, I would just like to say because what flag football did in Indianapolis, did they do the world championship or something in Indianapolis on NFL network? Yes. We, I went and watched. Did you go? I went and watched. It was at Butler. So I went and watched this thing. And it was very, and I did not grow up in the flag football era. We did not have nor did I flag football in my town either. I'm happy it exists now trying to get sanctioned as school sport in high schools for women and girls and men and everything like that. But I, which it should, I was part of a, I was part of a commercial. Yeah, scholarships. We think it's great. We love it. I did not grow up in knowing what flag football was though. I don't really understand it as much. So I went and watched that thing at Butler. And I was like, that little duped, they do move. Yep. Like that is the game. How, how can you learn that quick? And if you noticed, they would do a dump down to Saquon and it was the, the flag guys, the front flag right away. Immediately. I couldn't move right away. Yes. And then when they would kick Lee had to tackle, and Kailin Ramsey actually did. And then there was a couple moments where the NFL guys were like, about sick of these little punks. And then there was a couple extra content and it's like, well, that's, that's parody. Actually, it's like, well, what are we supposed to do? Grab the flag? It's impossible. They've been doing it for years. Yeah. I thought if the boys knew they were playing a team USA, we did not know they were playing the good guys. No, I didn't. Yeah. I thought it was a Cobra's versus Viper's. Yeah, exactly. We thought that's what we thought. Yeah. Which in hindsight, the NFL guys might have preferred. Oh yeah. Definitely. If I would have known they were playing team USA, I think I, as a person that has a microphone in front of me every day, would have said, we are betting on the team USA ones for sure, just strictly because I'd seen it in person. If the boys are being told, you'll be okay without even watching these guys play. That's on them, but it's also middle of their off season. So whoever was telling them and feeding the information that they're going to be okay. I think you kind of set the boys up. Was team USA always supposed to be there or were they there? That's when they got moved to I think it, I think it was, I'd buy the combine. I knew that that was the case and that was before it got moved. So yeah, I think it might have been, you knew team USA was going to be there. Yeah. At the, did you tell the player because Sean Peyton was telling me at the combine. I remember that it was legends and it was the current guys and there's going to be the team USA piece. Yeah. Legends and leaders. You would think they wouldn't even believe it either way. Like if you're telling Tom Brady and Joe Burrow like careful now, these guys, they can play ball. Like you would assume just a competitor in those guys. Okay. And I understand that. I appreciate that actually. They're, yeah, right. I think Peyton had the right word. And then once you see it, it's like, okay, there is a very legitimate skill to pull a flag and to do the elevator thing and the twisty turning thing. Like, and now in the rules immediately, know the rules exactly. Yeah. It's a cross route. Yeah, it is. We had no chance coach Peyton. Should have shown him some hoosh film, but the fear God and those guys hardest playbook. He had a playbook. He told me he drew up a playbook. They have Phil. Did he text these guys video of hoosh? Yeah. I don't know. If I don't think, I don't think he had the defensive game plan ready, but I got a natural. That's the problem. Who was DC? Solomon's with Shanahan and I believe Harvon with Peyton. Yeah. I got a coach. We need it on the staff. We all know. Yep, we do. Chuck Pagano. Nope. Liz in California. Yep. That's some some great cigars and whiskey. You're gonna put the people are as a guy. It would have helped a lot. He has a yacht. Yeah. He texted me yesterday. Tell you later, straight. Thanks for the first time. Tell me that if I want to go get my ass kicked in golf by Pat Perez, I can have it. I saw his name. It was late night. I saw his name on my phone. I was like, good to see this guy. We're talking about coach national champion. Yeah. JB. Coach JB. Yeah. He should be there. If he was given the reins to team USA, I don't know if there would be a single loaf in that entire time. No way. We respect. We respect. Yeah. All right. Now you get it. Now you get it. Anything we haven't talked about yet. I got one for straight. I got a question for straight unless you were about to say something that actually means something. No, go on. No, hold on. Thanks. Please. And then we will definitely. No, the other thing was last night before the big reception, the NFL unveiled that like they're also producing partners on a real television show, a scripted television show, which is the first time they're doing this. It's with the guy who does This Is Us in Paradise and it's called The Land and it's about the Cleveland Browns and it's going to be sold to an actual network. But the NFL is a production partner on it, which is another asset in this media world. Now the NFL is going to be producing things at a even greater scale. We're talking about a non or a scripted like serial show that the NFL is a production partner. So that's a relationship with Skydance, I do believe, which is owned by Paramount, which is now partnered with the NFL to create scripted, non scripted feature film series about football story. Now everyone is a media company. Well, the NFL is a media company. Yeah, certainly are. And the people that hire are all like NFL films obviously involved with that as well, the way they're shooting everything. It's like they try to find the Scorsese's of these stuff. At Fogelman, he did, obviously This Is Us in Paradise. I think he also did Parenthood, maybe he's like got a long, but he's also a Die Hard Browns fan. Oh, nice. Yeah, should be great. I think the NFL, from my understanding of the relationship with Skydance said there's so many stories that we would like to be able to tell that just can't just do a documentary for everything. Yeah, like we would like to tell these stories. And it's a growth of a league and obviously we understand this more than eight. They're expand Skydance sports into the preeminent global sports content studio. It's like the NFL is pop culture. The NFL is society. It's like it is society now. So them just starting their own stories and telling their own tales, how they want to tell it and what needs to be told or something that they think should be something so seemingly inevitable. Yeah, seemingly inevitable. And I think like this will actually work with the buy in from the NFL because that always like if you watch a football movie or anything, like it takes you like any given Sunday, it takes you out immediately. The sharks. Yeah, these aren't NFL teams, but if like the NFL is actually working by draft day actually, yes, exactly. You see the Seattle Seahawks logo, right? See the Browns logo. Kobe Fliener with a pancake block during the credits. That's kind of sweet. It might be Stanford's own. It might be his best block he's ever had in the NFL. Kobe Fliener. I think he pancakes somebody during credits. I was so happy. I love that. I was like, they put you over pretty big during credits, bro. He had his head down, fucking driving. It was a full on that nobody got on that guy's birthday party that did give us a little insight. Yeah, how everybody kind of use this entire thing. I like that they're doing that. What else are they talking about today? You said you're Del was talking later. He's going to do a press conference later and then oh, wait, wait, pause. Yeah. Rules have broke. NFL owners have approved for rule changes per source. Shrigs, give us your opinion on the competition committee permitting the kicking team to declare an onside kick at any time during the game. So last year it was only a fourth quarter, two minute thing. And they said, all right, let's scrap that. Let's go back to what it was. Just have to announce it. Yeah. You can't surprise onside kick, but we can do one in the first quarter for Jeff Fisher and we're playing against Peyton Manning. He did three of those Titans verse Colts, Colts one by 50 by competition committee to eliminate the kicking teams incentive to intentionally kick the ball out of bounds when kicking off from the 50 yard line. Okay. So that's just going back to where the touchback would be as opposed to half the distance. Every team that kicked it out of bounds looked like super geniuses, but the rule looks stupid. The league looks dumb. And it happened Monday night first game when we had on the broadcast, I think Troy and Joe or even the Manning cast were like, wait, I would just kick it out of bounds. You don't want to kick it and get a return. So like, yeah, just get rid of all that. Yeah. It just looks extra strategy. Everybody looks super smart the first couple of times it happened. And then at the end, it was like, this is so stupid. Why would you do this? Shout out to the kickoff, by the way, upping the amount of returns by like 1500 or 2000. I forget what it was by competition committee to modify the kickoff alignment requirements for receiving team players in the setup zone. Okay. So Pellis Sarah has not given a lot of detail on what was exactly your world in mind. I think it's the other returner is allowed to move or set up. So I think they're, they want to be able to at least move. I think they want to move people. There's a group of eight on the return team. I believe that are locked. Like there's kind of locked, not allowed to move. There's like an area. Then there's what two in the back. So must be nine in the locked area, two returners in the back, two returns have been allowed to move. I think they want to have one. I don't know. There's something else to the kickoff that they want to make it more. This last one's fascinating pack by competition committee for one year only to allow the NFL officiating department to correct clear and obvious misses made by on field officials that impact game in the event that there is a work stoppage involving the game officials represented by the NFL referees association as the NFL saying, yeah, if these refs want to play a little hanky, panky, we'll certainly hop in a sack. If they don't want to ref will ref now who's controlling that? Park Avenue. Who though? That'll likely be the Walt Anderson's and the guy. You think he goes against the referees association? Oh, great point. That's a great, that's a great point. Who's doing official? You're right. Is he employed by the league though? Like if he's a league employee, he has to, he's a league employee. He runs the official. So do we like that? It's Walt Anderson now on every call. Okay. Troy Vincent is really the person who spearheads that whole department. And now it's a decision he makes, but I don't know if Walt, that's a, that's a fascinating ask. If Walt goes with his old colleagues who are the rep or if he's a league employee now, cause let's talk like Starrot or Starrot tour is obviously with CBS right now, but he's not going to, he's not going to crack. That's what Tom was to Mike. Tom one should do that. It's just called every, if they have, if Jim Schwartz for a year did that when he was out of work, he said, I'm going to go work and learn from the officials and did that and worked in the league office as one of the, maybe he does it again. Chuck Pagano did the same thing. I believe he learned from the officials as well. And I think you see a lot of coaches and players want to learn more because they've probably been jaded by some terrible calls. And they're like, I got to learn a little bit more about this, but if they're going to have the eye in the sky for every one of these games, who's looking at the eye? Maybe that's that's another question. That's a good question. That's a good question. Let's talk about the chockup. I think X coaches would be good, especially try to find the ones that have been jaded by a terrible call. They'll be a little bit more motivated. I think you can put them in there, but not every coach is going to be good at it. I mean, that's certainly not going to be the case. Walt Anderson, no offense. You gave us a great 15 years out of your 30 year career. I think I think there was probably a good 15 in there somewhere at the beginning. Very, very thankful for him, but I don't, we don't want Walt Anderson. Well, like every call, do we? Like you said, like he's been a ref for how long you think he's just, these are all his buddies. These guys hate him forever. If all of a sudden he's like, there's no way he's going to do a stare tour won't crack. I assume Blaine Dey. I wouldn't think I don't think any of them like legitimately. I don't think any of that's how the ref's union very strong brotherhood, very, very, very strong. What do you think of the one year thing? I remember we had the pass interference can be reviewed for one year, then they immediately pulled the plug. You think it's because of the labor strife that they would offer this, or it's more that the NFL overall wants the ability to say, Hey, we got a, we're going to go for it right here. They get public leverage over the NFL referees association, but they also get a chance to experiment on what they can do in the future. Just like what baseball is doing with ABS right now. They experimented a lot with that, right? Yeah. Experiment experiment experiment experiment experiment. And then boom, we rolled out. Now it's one of the most exciting things and people love it. Love it. Except the elms. Bingo, which who might not love this, the refs. So they're also getting a chance to kind of utilize the technology that we've always wanted them to potentially utilize. And that could be a vision of what the future looks like in the NFL referee association doesn't want that. You're giving them an opportunity to maybe explore with robots. Maybe that public leverage will get them into a negotiation where they're able to make an agreement. Remember the refs say the NFL is not even showing up to negotiate the NFL saying you're not even moving anytime we do this. So like who's, it's a real standoff right now feels like the ref's point is we are paid peanuts compared to the NBA and compared to the MLB. And also we don't even get health benefits. So yes, you want us there earlier, but where is it? And the NFL saying, Hey, you guys, you guys are operating on your own. The reps are also saying we don't want to be talked to for two months after Super Bowl. We don't want to have to talk period is what they call it. Yeah, we don't have to talk to a Bay. We don't have to be full time. Like there's no answer any questions in the world. Yeah, there's a lot of that. And also nobody can get fired if you get seniored. Like there's a lot of other stuff too that the refs are saying that I think we should be able to find a reasonable outcome there. That's going to take a lot of give up by the referee association. Do you personally, I felt like yesterday your point to me about the D one refs not going with most illuminating thing I've heard on the topic. And I said it on my own show, I did the trigger hour afterwards and I was like, Pat McAfee had the best point ever. Like you're not just going to get college refs raising their raising their hands here. This is a, a, this is a job and a profession where they respect the hierarchy and they go up the line and the union and all that. You made a great point. I feel like you've been very, very clear and you've been very perceptive in the moment on a lot of this stuff. I feel like not that I'm asking you to be this person, but you have a real passion for the rules. It seems like. Yeah, I hate these refs. Okay. Sorry. I like the good refs. I like the good refs. Who was your favorite ref when you were a player? I like Gene Starrator. He's a Pittsburgh guy. Yins or Italian. He's the greatest. He's the goat. Uh, Ed Hockley was awesome. Uh, there was a couple others that I enjoyed. Cleat. I enjoyed interaction. Good man. Pretty well. Anybody that had moxie, that was a white cap. I liked who liked that. Yes. Cause some players like it's not about you, dude. No, I agree, but you're speaking for the game. So whenever you have an ISO with 50 million people watching, I think you have to have some moxie. I think you have to have some confidence. Who's the other guy? The big 12 crew. I love the big 12 crew. Yeah. Yeah. They need to be just given a prime time slot. Are they good? Unbelievable. But they will not break the code. There you go. There. Cause they can't ethics, because they're definitely going to be in the NFL. There's just what is that? The biggest games in the big 12, they have a crew that just does those games. Yeah. You get voted into it. They, they did the college football playoffs last year and then the college football playoffs this year. They were selected for the national championship, but also two of the college football playoff games, which is kind of, I don't remember a single bad call in any of those games. Boys, let them play. Very consistent, very consistent, not scared either. Like white cap, not scared of the moment. 30 million people, 40 million people watching. Give me this thing. Let me go ahead and deliver for the good of ball and also whenever there was a kickoff. Yeah. He's got moxie too. He's got real moxie. He's down at the other end, you know, and they blow for the kickoff to start when everybody's set. They check with the two side refs, then they check with here, then they count the people and then they send it basically to the side ref. I think that's there. That that side ref runs off the field. Then the kicker is to go, right? So there's a whole thing. He would, he had different sense to the kicker. He threw one a couple of times like a football as he blew it. He took up. Yeah. Took one out of the quiver. Yeah. Michael Robin Hood Vanderbilt. That's his name. So this is a college ref that we think and his crew would do fantastic in the NFL on that note would never have a scab. Never because they know they're going to have to deal with this association. What? In a year, two years are going to be in there and that's like every good ref school. So I'm telling you that fail. Maritime was so bad. Just so, so, so bad. Two games, right? Was that what it was? How many three? That was longer than that. That was longer than that. Because I remember I did, I did a, Wait, year was that 2012? Three or four? Maybe I thought it was in October. It was a long bit. I remember when they returned, I remember Jeff Triplett did a Packers game and like, you know, gave like a hero's welcome and they are all standing in the fans. And then I did, I did Baltimore and steritor was there and like the crowd like stood up and like for the first time ever the refs were like, well, thank you. Thank you. We're back. And then a week later everyone was like, Oh, yeah, but think about how much success three games first three weeks. Think about how much success. Was there another prime time game in the four or is it just the finish of week? I think the, the film area was the last. It was sun and I football the hell Mary or Mary was so three weeks of that. Think about how loud it was week one, week two, and then obviously week three, that ref union is very good. And I believe the guy that is leading green. This is last two are all potentially two. So he was there during that one. It's like, Hey boys, we will find ourselves with incredible leverage here, like absolutely incredible leverage. We won't have to answer for anything. Everybody will have a job forever. We don't have to be full time. Like that I'll tell you, I remember this. I was working on inside the NFL for show time and that play happens to fail Mary. And we had, we had the, it's a ridiculous play. We had the ref come on because immediately after the labor strife, it's like, he's going back to being a high school coach. So he was on and he was a guest on inside the NFL and he was like, it's my moment too. I think he wrote a book. Like it was that was their moment. Like these replacement guys, I'm telling you, we can't have it. Can't have it. I just can't. That would be that would be like a work stoppage in my eyes detrimental to the NFL. But what about all the talk about Australia and the Dan Fogelman series and the flag football? This is what the priority has got to be especially with people gambling. Yeah, people gambling on the games. Why, why that accent? Are you gambling right now? We got a little bit of a crowd back here. I don't know how this has happened. Good to see you guys. Thanks for coming guys. Good to see you. Hell yeah team. All right. So what's going on here? I was like, I imagine they're not real. Great card store. The people interstate. Yeah. But are these people staying here? Are these people at the Biltmore? I see a couple of guys get out of Ubers. Yeah. I saw a yellow cab pull up. Yes. And go. I don't think they're all staying on property. I don't think Jimmy has them showing up in a yellow cab, but after he pays to Sean Watson's deal, my dad, he might have paid that's David Mullig at the football. All right. Shraig's what else? Oh, actually, yeah, I cut you off. Yeah. Oh yeah. My question of course, which I remember was yes. That's a great pull was and granted it is early. Are you trying to find it right now? No, no, no. They got it. They call this a vamping. I found it, but I don't want to premise it with I know that it's early, but you are very good at pontificating things that are going to happen. And at this point for agency has happened, all the hiring have happened. The staffs are kind of established. I personally, as far as who's going to be the Patriots of this year, I do love the Giants because Harbaugh, a second year QB things like that, the guys they signed like who right now are you kind of feeling out looking at everything they've done? And they still have the draft camp and everything. But who do you have your eye on now as like a, hey, Lions might miss the playoffs. That was your one last year. You're nailed year before commanders, you know, making a playoffs, making a run, they go to the NFC title game. Like who right now are you kind of feeling almost as if a team that you might see, you know, doing very well or don't look now, they might, they might be over the too early for the, because I like to see training camp on the team that is saying all the right things and seems to be building the right way. I do think the Ravens are going to come back with a vengeance right now. And I know they, they, the Max Crosby trade fell through. And I know this upset tone in a, you know, real way, but talking to mentor talking to the cost. It's like they felt the impact of missing the playoffs. And that went from the top to the bottom. And they know that they had to scrap a lot of things and bring a lot of new faces and new voices. And I believe there is a urgency, a desire and a freshness in that building where I think the Ravens are going to be very good. Are they going to extend Lamar? Cause that was the other conversation, like they didn't get an extension done with them. So is Lamar going to leave? I would imagine all that gets taken care of in the wash and it will happen. And it's not going to happen on our timeline. Okay. On their timeline. Steve Bishawdy's time. Yeah, that's right. He is the man. See him yesterday. Oh no. Did not, is he here? I haven't seen him, but he's also usually a fixture at these things. Cigar, same deal, similar vibe than what you were. Oh, if I would have ran into Bishawdy, he's the man probably in the shadows, doesn't want to be seen, but wants to be there. Yeah, you're right. Want to experience it, but don't want to others to experience me. Remember after they won it, I was here probably 12 years ago now. It was 2013. He was, I just got ears. He was there. Nobody wanted to tell me. Bishawdy was sitting at this event, that same event. I did not see him. Nobody saw him. I took a lot. Right. Great. Gatsby. Oh, let me guess. Who was it? Yeah. You know who was at the $600 shirt guy. It was a $600 shirt guy. It was an Italian shirt though. I'll have you know, and nobody thought he underpaid for it after they found out he paid $600 for it. That's Bruce Brown. Oh, Italy, by the way, the Cleveland Browns. Shut up. That's Cleveland Brown's nation now. Yeah. Italy. The prod. That just reminded me of that. I forgot about that. That's a tough loss. Huge win for Cleveland. All the Browns fans. Great. We get Ireland. Italy has to be a Cleveland Browns. We get potato. What happened? Easy. Cleveland got Italy. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations. It took one look at Munkin and said, he's a friend of mine. Pittsburgh got potatoville. Excuse me. The Rooney family are ambassadors to Ireland. Yeah. I would say Pittsburgh is a very Italian bullshit. Cleveland. I think they got Italian sewers. I'm done with the international series. By the way, this is the straw that broke my back. I will say tone before he had to broken back from this particular straw. He said he's about sick of us having to send our product to these other countries. If these other countries don't like us, we don't send our game to them. It's America's product. They want to come watch a game, get on a plane and come over. Okay. I don't feel that way. I think the game screwed. I get the angle. Okay. I do get it. Tony hates it. Tony has been very, the only good part is that the game's on at 9 30 in the morning on Sunday. That's good. If you like having that window, right? I love having that wake up. I don't like sending our athletes to other countries. Okay. Injury risks. A lot of other risks. What if they were to send this show and this group to one of these markets, which one would interest you the most? Ireland. Let's go back. Go back. You've already done it though for the better name game. I'm not going back. What about Paris? I can't serve Paris. Paris would be the last one I think we would pick. Germany. That would be electric. Paris already surrendered from us, our show going over. You watch that one back and you say, and you high five it. Yeah. That is not one. We have a lot of French fans. Will you please? Do we? Yes. I don't think we do. Huge. We leave maybe. I think the McAfee show in Paris for a week before a Saints game would be incredible. When I was 14, the McAfee show was in Paris. Yeah, it was they did not go well. Germany. Yeah. Germany would be sweet. I think Germany would be awesome. Italy would be crazy. Any of them would be sweet, man. It's always a festival. Whenever we played in England, it was just like an American sports festival. You saw basketball jerseys, baseball jerseys. You saw everything, but now that football is becoming more and more. It is a festival. So I think I didn't like to go to anyone. Paris though, you can go ahead and jot that one down. It's probably never. Why? Place smells awful. That's not why. That is not why I've heard it smells like a city of romance, a city of great soccer. And of course, okay, I got married in India. There's a lot of romance. There's a lot of romance. I'm not gonna have that. Why? Because they have a bridge that you put locks on. No, come on. They were pooping in the sand. That's kind of cool. They were pooping in the sand. They still so that might get us there. We breaking news in our group chat, by the way, breaking news in the group chat. It is Ravens just texted Mr. Beshaw. He's not here. So that was a lie. Okay. Thank you. We would have told you. We wouldn't have missed him. He's the best. So Bruce said I saw him. I didn't tell you. No, I was back corner. So I said back corner. That's on me. Or he was there. And then we are talking about him being here now. And he said, Hey, make sure people like Kaiser. So say, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just say, all right. This shows that in two minutes. Thank God we're not going to by the way, France is not even in our top 23 countries watches this program. Really? I would that's pretty crazy. I would expect a 50 to 60 there. How many countries are you? Every time I find out how many countries are I love this. I think there's 163 countries. Give me a metric. Give me a country that we would be surprised with. It goes US, Canada, the UK, Australia, Germany, Mexico, India, boom, the Philippines. I've always wanted to have an Indian show since the beginning. You got to do it. I because I think we have we have somebody hang around me. That's an Indian person that speaks their language. Now, great. I think there's a lot of different languages in India as whole. Just one of them kind of hang out, catch the vibe, deliver the whole show in my cadence. We're off in India. Now the tech doesn't already. That is incredible. Well, thanks. YouTube beat us to it. They do it to every single country. What after India single country? I did not know India was climbing like that though. I'm happy to hear that. After India was the Philippines, Ireland, Netherlands, New Zealand, Indonesia, South Africa, Sweden, Japan, Spain, Italy, Singapore, Brazil, Venezuela, Switzerland, Malaysia and Denmark. All before France. I was there as a 14 year old bro. They didn't like me immediately. Immediately. They did not like, I mean, I got a cleat to the chest. Yeah. I'm telling you. If you want to know how a country feels about America, drop me in the middle of it. I'm not saying people know who I am, but they look at me and they go, that is an American. That one right there. Yeah. I could tell just looking at that asshole, that's an American and that is everywhere in the world. You dropped me in the middle. I'll probably be able to answer 26. It just built a center. We probably go through there and see how people feel about Americans. If we really want to dive into it on that note, I love all you. Japan would be cool. We'll be down. We'll see you guys tomorrow. We'll be back in the ThunderDome. We're going to be honest. The show's kind of let us down. The league meetings didn't. It's been a blast. You all were the best. Have a good one. Goodbye. We battled through today. We covered all the news. Yeah, we've done it. We did ABS. We're still live tricks. Peace. We had a hot mic earlier too. Boys in the truck having one. It caught me saying, did your shirt take over a party last? That's what it got. Yeah. And on that note, there was some compliments to this shirt. It was a good shirt. It was the only polo I had. Ward, golf and you look great. Thank you. I thought you look great. Your shoes were cool too. They're the only ones I brought. So I actually was looking to get some more shoes and the polo shirt turns out the mall here walks in a sex fit, zombie land. No, Macy's was open. I went to Macy's. It was also finding a fit at Macy's. Nick got in there for a while. Nick got that whole fit at Macy's. And it kept telling people I bullied him into it. He and I saw that outfit. Nick look good. Exactly. There was a leather. There was a leather one that Connor could have wore. Yeah. I thought about it, but I was just answer jacket passing out all the leather shorts, leather and kind of like a hole. It would have stuck to me like gum, like big Mike shirt. No, I'm not walking outside. Especially finding out. We didn't know the whole thing was outside. So when we want, we didn't know anything. We didn't know anything. We have no nothing. They put our set right here in front of the whole thing. We know nothing about what's going on. Great set. I've great. Yeah. This is unbelievable. Nobody can join the show though, because all the sessions are happening while the show. So yeah, exactly. So when we need to do, if we do this again, I'm not committing to, but if we do this again, we need to pre-records of people whenever they're not in these sessions, run them in this thing. Yeah. Sunday night, we record a full show. Boom. That gets run Monday. Monday night, we just record the party. We record a whole show. Boom. That gets maybe we do the show at party. We do the show at Claesers place. Yeah. Just fly in for last night. That's not a bad idea. And then we fly out the same stories and have the same experiences that if I was to guess, I would assume next year. I tell you though, they alternate East coast West. So next year we'll likely be in Florida. Boom. We were that's one. So we're in bed. We're in bed by 4am. That place is beautiful. Last time I went to Florida league meetings. Yeah. Very nice. Yeah. Remember you, remember you remember the Harbaugh's were yeah. Oh yeah. But that's the thing. If it's on East coast, that changes everything. Cause then the meetings are nine to 12am. And so they will be able to bingo on the program between 12 and boom. Yeah. Oh, that was all of us. Shrags. Can I go left? Hang in there. Shrags. Any final messages for the people who have had to sit through this one? I think it's been great. Yeah. I think it's been a real showcase for my talents and my ability to hang with the crew. So I'm exactly thrilled with this. This was a great episode. I loved it. I would say I'll tell you what Shrags. That's a great way to view that. That is what it was. Yeah. Shrags. Last night I loved seeing you guys in the mix. I know that you know, there was some apprehension from some of the boys like, I don't want to be at something that's so official. No, it was fun and the guard was down and you guys are great and you were celebrated in a way that I think you were a little surprised. Probably a little bit, right? A lot of people were saying hello. That was very kind of everybody. A lot of people saying... We probably should have known because I think, you know, I mean, the NFL is not doing anything Mickey Mouse. I don't know why I was expecting us to go to like a holiday in ballroom, just like a big open ballroom with like one bar and like a wedding. Yeah. And like a thing of like... This Combine, to be honest, is in a convention center. So you're thinking, oh, it's the same thing. This is a different deal. Yeah. And everybody here kind of knows deal. Yeah. Everybody here knows deal. Got 31 billionaires security walking around, you know, them tailing the families too. Two things you like. The fleet of black cars that will show up when the sessions close out, that is always a sight to be seen. You have thousands of them. And then the second thing would be Gideld as a press conference. The second that press conference ends, like rats, everyone leaves. Yeah. What time is that press conference? It's usually a moving target when the meetings are over. So I would say usually later today, probably like three or four o'clock. Would we be able to ask a question if we get in there? You're a credentialed member of the media. You sure can. Goodness. Boom. What would be your one question? As someone who did this from that side, many, many years, you always get one question and then you don't want to ask a softball and you don't want to, you know, necessarily ask them. It's going to be asked someone else. What would be your one question to Roderick Adele? I don't know. It depends on how it was going. What are the other questions that have already been asked, Shrakes? You know, you can't just go in there with the game. You're going to start off with the refs question. You're going to be asked. Refs probably being asked by somebody else before me. Yeah. Broadcasting will be a question. There will be a question about maybe league initiatives, minority coaches. There'll be some questions about like our league points that are like talking points and then they're going to be, all right, Pat McPhee, what's your question? I don't know. I got to be in the room. I'd have to be in the room. See how it, everyone said there's not a lot going on this year. That's a great thing for the league. Yeah. It is great thing for the league, not good for the refs. All right. I don't know who the, Hey, how are you guys doing? Good to see you guys. You guys look good. Official. They guys look good. It looks like hotel people. Thunderbirds. I don't know. Are they thunderbirds? That's a good question. Sounds like they have a good job. Do we know if they can hear us? If I'm not looking at them, those people over there that are by far. Yeah. They can. Okay. So I don't want to say anything. I was just going to ask who they could possibly be. Hey, guys, I'm awesome. Thank you guys for the hospitality. Thank you. This place is great. Thank you. Thank you guys for what you do, man. Frank Lloyd Wright. That's right. We love this place. Do you know that? I think they're associated with it. I think one of them might own it actually. Bing Crosby wrote white Christmas from here, right? Get on attack. That's true. Yep. They're all, what? Guy in the middle owns it. Okay. Yes. This is president of hotel. Hey, Dexter service buddy. Okay. We can tell. We can feel it. I like job here. Well, they added the pickleball courts. It adds something. I appreciate it. We didn't get a chance to stay here. No, but, but we've heard the rooms unbelievable next time. It's getting sweaty. Of course. It's nice. Right. We didn't get a chance to play here, but we've heard courses unbelievable. Guys done well. This place is really nice. Yeah. Now I've been told potentially that the Minnesota Vikings had coaches walking this way. Okay. I was certainly planning on ending this thing. Getting in the car. That's what you guys are taking me back to God's country. That's what I was thinking about. You won't be doing the good deal. Press cover. No chance. Yeah. The whole thing you were just setting up there is no way Andy reads walking out here with a little bit of a limp. Hell yeah, Andy Reed needs someone said knee surgery. Hell yeah. Coach. Good. See red battle. Battle. Um, Kevin O'Connell coming here. When do you know? Right? Yeah, but like, I think he'd understand. You should send him back. Send him back. All right. We'll talk to Kevin O'Connell another day. I'm excited to hear what he's going to say. I'm honored for that. Uh, to be honest, it's one of the worst ones we've ever done. Come on. Yeah. Shrags. You were great. Thank you. Shrags. You're a phenomenal. You got a chance to show. I got to showcase. Yeah, just, I mean, we couldn't have it. I guess the whole time being here. Yeah, we're going to get all these coaches and all what it's worth. I waited for two hours for a head coach to do a taped interview for NFL live and I got blown off. So at least he didn't get blown off. At least now we know next year, East Coast, it will happen the way we thought it would. Yeah. It's on the East Coast. In Florida on American time to the crew to piece this together. Thank you all. You guys are guys. Thank you. You. That's the best. Even in audio department. Zito's working right now. He's like, I'm going to hear right now. No, he's telling him. Yeah. Catch you. Catch you. Back in the truck. Appreciate you boys. Way to go, Bruce. Really on top of all of it. Took a couple hacks. You had the hotel and then the Bishadi was to the police officers. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you officers. Guys are good. No rush. Little vitamin in the sky. A couple different times. These cops didn't care about nothing. All right, we'll get out of here. If he's right here, I think it's a little information, you know, we're going to hit the microphone. No, it doesn't look like he's not. He stays around here. I mean, if he gets here, is that in the blue? Is that Shadi in the blue jacket? Yeah. Where's coming out underneath? We're not doing that. We have good. We know Shadi was doing last night. Shadi was awesome. He coached us in Indianapolis. Yeah. Yeah. So what was his quarterback? Okay. Yeah. I think you know what you want the team? Yep. Yeah. It was a nice catch up a shot. We gave him the full like, you're the head coach of the fucking Dallas Cowboys. That's crazy. He was telling me he was 32 years old when he was an offensive coordinator. That's pretty young. That's pretty cool. And now he's at this stage in his career. Yeah. He was talking about his dad last night a lot. There's a lot of stories about his dad and my things that he was really cool. It was a late night conversation, but he was like, feels like he is very thankful for the opportunity, pumped and also like they feel good about the cowboys. They feel really good about the new DC too. Parker. Yes. Definitely. That was a good part of the conversation. All right. We're ending this. I'm out. Hey, hotel people. Good work. Thanks guys. Stay here, Strix. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. I'm going to change your life. We're in this thing together. Boys, great work out here. You're great work. Nobody embarrassed program too bad. I'd say. No, I think we did good. I mean, there was some loud speaking in places. I think yeah, a lot of restaurant. But after what I saw from the NFL last night, we're good. I think kind of a different setting, but I do agree with what you're saying. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. You might change your life for this thing together. Team on me officer, officer. What up? There we go. Team on me. There we go. We're going to head back to Indianapolis, Indiana. We are grateful to Arizona for being fantastic every time it's here. Thank you to the NFL for allowing us to broadcast from the parking lot and for allowing us to be a part of last night. The league is in good hands. We're proud to be a part of it, small part of it, and they need to figure it out with these refs. Yeah, they're in back there too. Nice. One guy's got his hand up. Oh yeah, he's just raised a hand like a teacher. Maybe we should ask him a question. We should get out of here. Team on me. Team on three. Thank you all so much for allowing us to do this for a living. One, two, three, team. Come on.