Peptides Explained: The Truth About Biohacking, Healing & Human Potential with Chris Duffin

A lot of what is working is outside of the medical system. It is. We're talking about the root drivers of nearly all disease pathways. Inflammation, mitochondrial decline, and ATV breakdown in that process. The size of peptides has a low level of accumulation, which is why it has such a high safety profile, because it can't be compoxic with those low accumulation levels. But the size also allows it to penetrate that cell membrane that a lot of drugs can't do. Your brain is wired for deception. But here's the truth. Patterns can be broken. The code can be rewritten. Once you hear the truth, you can't go back. So the only question is, are you ready to listen? Health optimization has become one of the loudest conversations in the online space, but honestly, the most confusing too. Peptides, supplements, red light therapy, cold plunges, frequency healing, and of course, nervous system regulation. Everybody has a protocol or a stack, and they're all certain that theirs is the protocol that works. But there are very few conversations that slow down long enough to ask why something is working and for whom and at what cost. This episode is not about chasing another trend or biohacking for the purpose of ego. It's about understanding the science behind peptides, where they came from, how they work in the body, what the real benefits are, and where the risks are often misunderstood or completely ignored. It's also about zooming out and asking some bigger questions. How do we responsibly use powerful tools like this? Where should we proceed with caution? And what happens when optimization becomes disconnected from internal regulation, recovery, and of course, mindset? And finally, we're going to be talking about the role that technology should play in human health, where it helps, where it might actually be undermining us, and what human beings are actually capable of if we have the right internal and external conditions. This episode is a systems-level conversation for people who want to understand the depth, not just look for shortcuts. Let's welcome the mad scientist himself, Chris Duffin. Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Decoded. I am here with the mad scientist, Chris Duffin. Welcome to Sandpoint, although I've heard this is not your first time here. It is not. My grandparents lived here for about 30 years and I lived, yeah, right here in Ponduray for about a year. So that never happens to you guys. I live in the middle of nowhere. In my mind, I'm like, is he going to be able to navigate his way here? Is he going to be able to find it? What about the snow? I'm stressing out on your behalf, but you're basically a local. Yep, I learned to drive and four feet of snow, actually, the year I got my license. OK, so then you blend right in, because he brought a snowstorm with him. Praise God. So I got to be on your podcast a few months ago, and I was really impressed by your knowledge of peptides and just your approach to science in general. So I was really excited to have you on the show. Our audiences vary into peptides. I think in our framework of these episodes, we've really only just scratched the surface. So I'm excited to see you take it even deeper. I've been on my peptide journey since about June of last year. I've lost 30 pounds. All my chronic autoimmune symptoms are completely gone. So I'm sold. I'm a believer. I took my injection this morning. And I always tell people I hate swallowing pills so much that when people are afraid of doing injections, I always tell them, listen, God's honest truth, I would rather inject myself than swallow pills. It's not even a close call. Yeah, it's so easy. And it's been interesting how normalized it actually has become in the last few years, particularly around peptides. And I'm in the strength world. So I say it's analogous to CrossFit's impact on barbell sports, where people come into a gym now and go, hey, I'm interested in lifting weights with a barbell. As their first time where before, that was totally not the thing. Yeah, they were on the machine. And I think that the GLPs really had that kind of CrossFit type approach where people are like, oh, an insulin syringe, like that's totally a normal thing. It's not like some sort of underground steroid or just like this. It's taken a lot of the stigma and normalized it. And then more people have experience with it. And it really is like a non-thing once you start doing it. Yes. The only thing that I've run into lately, and I can't really tell why, because for nine months, nothing. And then all of a sudden, it just started hurting. And I do it the same way that I always did it. So any thoughts on why it would suddenly start hurting? Yeah. So our bodies can. That is one of the few side effects that we can get from peptides is a little bit of a reaction to it. A lot of times, that's to the water that's in that. So typically, they're reconstituted with a 0.9% benzoyl alcohol. Some require acetic acid. There's a few other minor other variations. But there's also some variability between manufacturers of those products. And they can be peer. But there's certain levels of you can also just develop a histamine type reaction. I think I just put it together when you said that. It's a new batch, and the whole new batch has hurt more than the previous batch. And it did come from a different same company, but a different 501, 503, 505. Yeah, try changing the reconstitution fluid. Doesn't mean there's anything bad or wrong with what you've got. It's just that reaction with your body. And the worst that it can get is it'll get a little red and swelling, which gets really annoying when that starts happening. So if you can't resolve that by changing that out, switch to take, well, you take a little bit of time off as well to give your body a little bit of break. Again, try different reconstitution fluid. And then you could also look at some anti-inflammatory peptides as well. There's more that we could dive into, but generally that's going to resolve most of the issues. We're changing the site. I've had the issue in particular with GHKCU, which I know for many people can hurt. So why does that one hurt so damn much? So with the GHK, finding a different spot. So that one does cause some issues. It is such an amazing compound, though. I had to do it. An injection in a spot was almost unbearable for a period of time. I was doing some construction in my home. And I was testing boots because I'm a shoe and boot designer. I love foot mechanics. And so I was testing some other companies' boots. And I slipped in the shovel. I drove it just like this and took my big toe and bent it completely backwards. And it didn't heal for a couple of years. I went in, like it tore the ligaments. I couldn't. I was making no progress. And so I'm like, I have to localize those injections. So I started doing them into the joint. And it was insanely painful. That's when I was finally like, OK, there's some serious. You can cause some serious pain. But after two years, within a week, and I went back to my podiatrist, he's like, you need to keep doing that again. He's like, you're actually healing now. Yeah, whatever that was more than that. But I was only able to sustain it for like two weeks because it was just excruciating. So the spot difference. Like, can you imagine going into towards the joint in your foot and it being GHK? I literally can't imagine. Because I just did it in my belly fat. And that hurt for a while afterward. So one of the things intramuscular is usually less painful than subcutaneous. People don't realize that they think it's the opposite. But it's actually less painful. So you can try that or just try some different spots that may have less sensitivity for you. What are some better IM spots? For IM, would be the shoulder. Shoulder would be really, really good. You could try that with a sub-Q as well. A pretty interesting hack, which actually is coming from the female audience now getting into peptides, which they're always amazing at coming up with good ideas. Using a hair clip on the skin. Oh, that is smart. Isn't that? It is really smart. It's clever. I never would have thought of that. So my wife was telling me about the Ivan tried that. Yeah, but I'm like, that's pretty in smart. Because there's some areas like, I couldn't do a sub-Q on my shoulder because I only have one hand. Well, and then also you have the additional sensation that probably distracts away from, right? Because the claw touching your skin is probably taking away from the feeling of the actual needle. Some significant value of women getting involved in peptides right there. You heard it here first, ladies. Go grab your hair claws before you do your injections. So I wanna get to where the name, the mad scientist came from because there has to be a good backstory there. What makes you the mad scientist? I could take this in the way back machine if we need to. But long and short is, I've introduced a lot of new ideas into the sports and clinical realm. Just, I have a different lens that I look at things and bring things to. And I was, yeah, that's just, I was showing up to help this individual who is a really well known, he was a bodybuilder, strength athlete, celebrity, been on TV. He's in front of the camera all the time. It was like 15 years ago when I was starting my first business in the fitness space. And I show up to help him in and show up at the gym and he comes walking out of the gym with his camera crew. And he's immediately, and I'm here with Chris Duffin, the mad scientist of strength. And it just, like from that, from the once that hit YouTube, that's what everybody called me since, because it made a lot of sense. And I'm a, so my background is engineering. So I've done about 10 years of clinical continuing ed, but I'm not, I'm not, you know, certified, let's say, in that space. Like my, my, my, my engineering, I've got two different engineering degrees and a master's in business. And I came up with that route. But I think a lot of this came from just the influence of my upbringing. I was thinking about this a lot lately. I had to really create my environment around me. So just a 90 second backstory of what's in my book that you so nicely put up there. The Eagle and the Dragon every day. But I grew up homeless in the wilderness in Northern California. And my parents, it was in the Golden Triangle. They were growing, you know, weed for a living back when it was, there was people running around with machine guns and there was all sorts of, there was all sorts of things going on. So in the book, it talks about my experiences, which I experienced every type of trauma when the category of those eight types. And yeah, we dealt with murders, a serial killer that tracked the family, human trafficking that affected us. And that's where me and my siblings ended up in care of the state. And that's how I ended up in Pondray. His grandparents were able to get us out of that. And so was here for a year before parents were able to get us back, but then we quickly went back to our living in the wilderness out in Eastern Oregon. And so in that growing up, bless you. Thank you. So in that, I had to create my environment. Like, you know, if you wanted to sleep without, you know, getting drenched, you had to have the trenches dug and the tarps hung right and be able to start the fires and just like create the tools. Like it sounds really strange, but that's the environment I lived in. It's like you want to take a hot shower. You've got to plan in advance to get the water jugs filled in the stream and set on the right rock, sitting out all day so you can wash yourself. And so I grew up dealing with failure, dealing with things not being, I did create anything I did. So I had a very creative mindset and that influenced as I got into, you know, my decision to go into engineering, which inside note, I ended up taking custody of my three younger sisters and I raised all of them while I was going and putting myself through my school and working full time and then chasing my career. And I ended up doing pretty good in that. I ended up being an executive turnaround expert. So in the aerospace and automotive manufacturing realm, did some really, really cool stuff, built some world-class businesses. And then in the course of that, I was lifting weights. It was something that was really important to me early on that helped build my self-confidence when I was a child, when I lived in that environment, looked bad, you know, unclean, smelled unclean, showing up at school, people making fun of you and lifting weights and sports really did a lot for me. So that's been like a cornerstone of my life. And so I ended up in this realm of, like I said, doing the sports in addition to that. So I owned a gym at the same time, like I was doing a turnaround for an aerospace company and, you know, I had to go in the evening and train with the, you know, 100 members of the gym and be showing them stuff and filming videos and putting it on the internet. Cause I saw, I just saw these gaps that were wrong. And that's where I started also pushing my performance. I wanted to be the best in the world. And so I was, that's why I owned the gym. So I could have the right environment, the right tools, the right methodology. So I could control everything. And I started designing the tools in my gym to be better cause they just weren't right. And that's how people got to know me in the strength realm was writing articles, seeing the tools. And then I launched my business Kabuki strength in 2015 with the products that I designed. I had a number of patents and unique products and I ended up penetrating sports performance faster than any other company in history. So I worked with every single major league baseball team, 80% of the NBA, 70% of the NFL, any major college you can think of, I was about a thousand colleges as customers. My products are in the White House, every branch of the military. I got, you kind of get the idea where people called me the mad scientist of strength. And there might have been a little- It's the disruptor element. Yeah, yeah. And at the same time, it was this larger system and that's how it's like, well, why am I in the peptide space now? I started using peptides in 2003 because I wanted to get all the records and push my limits as far as I could without using anabolic steroids. And I did that. Those records still stand. And then I did decide to go into using anabolic when I was 33, but that was a while. I guess I'm getting up there now. That was a while ago now. And I chased that and did some amazing things in that realm. But everything I did from like equipment design, everything's integrated. Like my philosophy of how I look at the human body from a biomechanical standpoint. Like my specialty was in spine mechanics and foot mechanics. And those are kind of the top two areas if you're taking a global look at the body and how it operates and where dysfunction derives from. But as you improve those and you get better with your movement, we can actually train in a way that sends better signals to the body to grow tissue and to adapt in a different manner, which is literally the same kind of signaling that we do with peptides. And then it all starts working together. Like if we're able to get those signals aligned and we're also pushing those same via non-redundant pathways via peptides, via supplementation. So exercise is one modality. We can tap into that with, you know, red light therapy, post-electromagnetic. It's all like creating this environment to create this really optimized human. And that's, I guess I did it for really personal reasons, right? I wanted to discover what my potential was. I wanted to see how far I could take things. And I was, you know, still willing to do things that were bad to my body. It's not necessarily when you're pushing performance, that doesn't mean, and that's a conversation that some people don't understand if they haven't been in sports. I know you have a sports background. I do. Because, oh, if you're a world-class athlete, you're in optimum health. No. No, no, no, no, no, no. Reversing your weight. That is not how it works actually. Yeah. I'm probably in more optimal health now as a 40-year-old woman who does my vibration plate in front of the red light and goes very minimal. Exactly. Same here. And it's kind of funny because people online, though, if I roll through my comments, they'll be like, Chris, what are you doing? You're aging backwards. Because I look so much better, and I feel so much better than I did when I was in my 30s. Because in my 30s, that's what I was chasing. And I was aging fast, and I had so much stress in my body on top of like all the trauma stress and things that I carried from childhood. I think some people see the visual signals of potentially low body fat and decide that low body fat visual muscles means that you're in peak performance. Which is not how that works. Help us debunk why that is not true. Because I know for sure it wasn't true in my body. The fittest I've ever looked was probably the worst I've ever felt in my life. Yeah. I mean, it's a balance of nervous system, sympathetic and parasympathetic tone, the amount of stress that's in your body. Like to push in that hard, you're driving your systems hard, which is putting you, you're taking too many withdrawals from the bank, right? It's just like, I call it the boardroom athlete, but a lot of my clients are in this 45 to 65 high performers in their careers. But they have some of the same things, maybe not from being an athlete, but it's the same like driving your mind hard, your body hard, like running on that red line of stress all the time isn't good for you. Now we have to have stress to adapt. So if we think about this, it gets back to the very basic, most basic training principle there is. And it's the principle of human, not human life, any life. It's the said principle, specific adaptation to impose demand. So in essence, without resistance, there is no life. Like if I break my arm and put a cast on, immediately the process of atrophy. Now there was a stimulus to the bone, so the bone's gonna heal, just like tangent, but the muscle in that arm begins to atrophy near immediately. I've experienced it. It looks like a little twig afterward. It's very scary. So if we don't use our body, like that process of disease and waste, over speaking a little bit, atrophy, maybe a better word, starts to happen. And the same thing with our mind to emotion. If you don't use it, you lose it. Exactly, use it or lose it is the said principle. Now that in an athletic environment or some of those others where you're pushing that modality, you're pushing and ensuring that you have that stimulus response. But if it's too far down, you're always gonna be able to swing back and come back stronger from any sort of event, but it doesn't necessarily mean you could have dropped so low that there was a whole lot of extra induced stress that just didn't need to be there. So it's really the optimization, just like trauma. You can take an experience and figure out a way to learn and grow from it. Well, you probably could have learned and grown from a lesser experience and still been up here, but didn't have to endure the impact of what that did to you. So essentially paying attention to an incremental approach and also the periodization of how you're putting the body under stress. Is that essentially what you're saying? Exactly, think of life as a square root symbol. And you've gotta have a lot of, so it's little, we've got a little valley in front of us and the peak on the other side is higher than where we're at right now. We're gonna take a step and you have to purposefully take a step, make that choice to step into a workout, to step into the next challenge, start a business, go back to school, whatever it is, right? Whatever that thing you need to be able to recognize what that is, you're on the edge of this precipice and then we adapt and we grow out a little bit stronger. And if we time those right, there's a nice kind of steady upward, doesn't always necessarily work that way. If we don't have anything against us, so just being thoughtful around that. I call it the precipice, the plunge, the pit, the bottom, the pole, as you're climbing out of that, the peak, that height, we could translate that into all sorts of things, business leadership and so on and how you do that. But you also have to have the plateau, the time force of self-care. But you can't spend too long there, you can't spend six months drinking my ties at the beach or you will get soft and you'll be on this steady decline. And unfortunately, life always comes at us no matter what. So you could try to find comfort and just live in that world like many people, that's our natural inclination. Once we get back past some of these biological drivers when we're young, to get out on our own, to find the partner, to have kids, like all these scary things, there's also a piece that drives us to take that step off that precipice. So these biological drivers. But we get to this point and that's usually when people are hitting their 30s and 40s and you see it. That's where most people fall. They just are able to find that comfort and roll with it until they get to the end and something comes up in life and hits them and they freeze up, they lock up because they haven't built the resilience. They've started getting soft. In my work, we do brain pattern mapping, which I know we discussed on your podcast. And just for everyone that's listening in the audience that has done break or you're certified in break, I think we all know what his brain pattern type is. But I definitely want to give you the link because I want to see if we are all right. We've got to be right. So I'm not going to ruin what that is, but I'll give you the link so that you can take it. But what we found in brain pattern mapping is that there are people who do tend to be risk averse and therefore don't get a lot of reward in their life and they do seek comfort and repetition. And then there are those who seek novelty and really like risk and like to push themselves. And they're obviously the ones that tend to burn themselves out. They run themselves a red line all the time. I think we both know where we naturally fall into. And so yeah, I've had to learn the opposite. So that the plateau is very important for me to be, to recognize those times that, all right, I need to be here. I need to, you can't always be stepping into the next thing. You need to, but you need to be thoughtful. So everybody's approached to that. And that's just like my- Have you found some sort of secret timing or does it always differ when you get to that plateau? What is your approach to deciding when it's time to step back off? I know that I'm in a season like that right now. And as you're talking about it, this is the first holiday break with my kids where I really, I took off. Like for two weeks, I basically did literally nothing except hang out with my kids, ski, self-care, just really relaxed. And now I'm finding for the first time in my life going back to work, I'm like, shit, I don't wanna do this. So what's the secret ingredient? How do you decide when to get off the plateau again? So one is you have to realize this comes in what we call micro cycles and macro cycles, right? So there's small moments on a daily basis or weekly basis. And we need to be thoughtful about what we choose to step into, particularly people like us, right? Cause it's like, it doesn't mean turn into everything, but it could be a hard conversation with a family member or an employee or your boss or whatever it is. Like it's sensing those moments in those moments of learning when that precipice is, whether, cause the opportunity we have is to purposefully tackle micro cycles to make the macro easier. Let's say the person that goes, I wanna start my own business. And yeah, but you can't have a hard conversation with your coworker, how are you, you need to like, there's so much work that you need to do and step into that before stepping in. You can't do small bills, but you wanna build a business. Yeah, that happens so often. People come to me with all these big goals and I'm like, you can't get your daily life together. So you gotta steward the small things to be prepared for the big things. So take those challenges and just step into those, right? So recognizing and it's not turn into every challenge, it's turn in the ones that purposeful. And part of that is you should be able to feel it in your gut. It's this mixture of fear and anxiety and excitement. So that's why I talk about the biological drivers because it's like, hey, there was a time when you were in your life, there was a hot number sitting over the way at the bar and you didn't wanna go introduce, but you did too. Like you were, and then there was like, all right, same conversation happens about getting married or having kids and so on. Those are the mixtures of that feeling. Yeah, the positive and negative blended together. Yeah, it's turning in your gut. So, and that's where the easy thing around a hard conversation, you wanna resolve it, but you wanna avoid it, right? That's, you should feel that in your gut. So that is part of recognizing those precipice moments, those opportunities. And from there, once you've taken that step, we need to learn as much as possible from that. And so that's in the plunge, every step is recognizing where you're at and then what to do with it. So that precipice is being able to take action and recognize the plunge is being able to look inward at those emotions that are coming at you when you're in that whirlwind of, oh my God, what have I done? What's on the other end of this? Whether it's shame, fear, depression, like to meditate actually into those and better understand where you're coming from, your values, what's driving those emotions versus the common logic that out there is no fear, push it down, like just kind of, no, it's an opportunity during that period of time. But perhaps also blended with questioning where it's coming from and what it's trying to trick you into, because it does seem like metacognition ultimately is what's going to help you turn that into a learning lesson that's actionable. You've gotta keep peeling back the layers, whether it's the five Ys or whatever approach that you find valuable is, that's why I said, spend time with it, meditate into it to understand where that emotion is coming from and truly why and just keep digging a little bit deeper, a little bit deeper. If you don't do that, you won't discover what's driving that shame, depression, whatever it is, that you're experiencing in that whirlwind that you're at, which is very different than when you're in the pit. What's your take in those moments, because again, from a brain pattern perspective, there are people who are naturally, they've got well-developed metacognition, typically via childhood trauma, where you have to learn that to survive. Then there are others who tend to see things from a more victim-centric lens. So in those moments, what would be your advice for somebody who when they're in the shame or in the guilt or in the fear or anxiety, their instinct is to look outside, to externalize their blame structure, what would be your approach to help them out of that? That's probably tough for me because I probably don't work with a lot of those folks. Well, you are not that way at all. I'm not that way. That's not the people that come to me. But a lot of the framework is so much around, you can't drive change unless you take accountability. So you can always blame somebody else in a million circumstances. A little over a year ago, that company I lost that I told you about, it was, grew to an eight-figure company, had three investors that were billionaires. It was, I was a globally recognized brand. And one day I got a call that I was fired from the company. And they showed up with some of my trucks and loaded it up and moved it across the country and let go of the 50 employees. And I could blame those other people, but if I choose to go that route, I can't learn anything, I can't grow. So it very well could be those other things, but it adds no value for me to place on that versus really focusing on what in that can I take responsibility? What do I have the responsibility from in this? Because that is the only way that you could learn or grow or become stronger out of that. So I think you just, even though you don't typically work with those people, I certainly do, and you hit the nail on the head. Really, I think the antidote is always radical personal responsibility because even in that moment, perhaps the lesson to glean is how did I not see this coming? How did I potentially put myself into a situation with people who would even do this? And that is the sort of metacognitive ability that separates the successful people from those who are not. That's exactly what I had to learn from that. And those were my mistakes. Yeah. And you know I did it too. I came out of a similar thing around the same time. I too got fired from my own company. It was like, are you kidding me right now? I had a nine day old son. Yeah, it was four times. Yeah, so it was wonderful. Got left with a few million dollars in personal debt, you know, all the good stuff. Easy peasy, whatever. Listen, it motivates you. Probably motivated you to bounce back. It was actually the best thing that could have happened at the end of the day. And I've learned and grown so much. And as I'm building the groundwork for doing something like that in the future, I'm approaching the structure and things very differently recognizing that I moved too fast and I brought people. A lot of, I don't need to get into, there's so much that I learned still at my age about business and the experiences that I have. I'm still so much to grow from that. The other side is when you're in the pit, it also, the personal accountability is massive right there as well. So that's a three step process. You wanna shorten that. The less amount of time that you spend, there's how deep the pit is. Let's minimize it. How short it is, because you could end up there for years or you could end up there for weeks. You have control of this. In the three step process, there is, I call it, everything's kind of body focused for me. So ACL. Love it, yeah, go for it. Acknowledge, number one. Acknowledge that you're in the pit. That you're in the pit. I mean, that's just massively empowering. And then second, once you've taken that and go, oh, this isn't life. This isn't, this is this moment in life. That's big. But now, celebrating it. And I truly mean celebrating it. Pick up any business book. Walk into any company that's been around for a while that's had to survive the growth throws. And that book or the people in that company that welcome the new people in, will tell them of the glory days. The stories of the glory days. And what were the glory days? The pits. The pits. Those are the action book moments of life. I referenced, because I'm from Portland, I reference Phil Knight's shoot-og all the time. You read that book and it's just so much about these stories through the 80s. And it was when they were, wasn't gonna be able to meet payroll and all this stuff. And it's like, that was just this gorgeous story. And then people in the company tell you about those days. If you went back in history and went to those days, they couldn't wait to be out of it. They were just hanging on by a thread until they got to the other end. But now it's literally the book. It's the story that they tell other people. It's the story they tell their kids. It's the story they tell the world. Because it can be your biggest motivator if you're present to it. I know the most money I ever made in a calendar year was coming off the heels of being completely screwed over in a real estate deal and having to double pay. I had to pay all the subcontractors a second time, even though I had already paid my contractor. I owed over a million dollars in cash that I had like six months to pay out and I had nothing. Well, it's just like, how proud am I gonna be when I get to the other side? So focus on that's the part to celebrate. It's like, this is the moment I'm gonna be, I'm gonna tell my kids about, my grandkids about, that I'm gonna write my book about. That I'm gonna, like, this is the moments that are gonna be burned into your memory that you're gonna think about later and remember of the great life that you had. And you're gonna be so proud when you get to the other side and went, I got through that. So celebrate. And then as you're celebrating, you can now leverage that. That's the last piece is exactly what you're talking about. Leveraging that to now, you know it's important. You know you care. You know how much you're motivated to bring about your best performance and your best year. So that's the process in the pit. So from a brain pattern perspective, there are people on the left side of the brain pattern spectrum for those people who watched consecutive episodes, who don't naturally have problems with this because they are not naturally oriented toward thinking that something's gonna last forever. They tend to skew more toward positive self deception and kind of like, well, this sucks now, but like I'm gonna pull out of it, right? They've got higher levels of self trust, higher levels of self efficacy. What I've found is that the people who are on the opposite side of the brain pattern spectrum, let's say they were to follow the acronym, you just gave them what I think is brilliant, by the way, I love it. What's naturally gonna happen for them is as soon as they do get out of it, they're gonna go to shit, what if this happens again? So it's almost like they start bracing for it to happen again. Have you seen this with people? Cause I don't think this would happen to you naturally. It wouldn't happen to me either. When I'm out, I'm like, praise God, but those are great. But some people as soon as they get out of the pit and they are doing better, it's like their brain has these echoes of making them believe that they could actually go back into the pit at any moment. Yeah, that's the fear blinders, right? When you have fear, the opening of my book, I'm six years old, I'm living in, well, actually I got beams lashed up in the trees, we all do by each of the family members cause there's rattlesnakes running around, so we sleep in in the trees at night. That's so wild. I've got a live rattlesnake in my hand. Cause I've been taught how to capture and handle live rattlesnakes, cause I've got my three year old brother with me who I'm supposed to be protecting. Oh my gosh. I know how to handle them. Been taught how to, and I've got it held right in the right spot that it can't control just wrapping around my arm, just this slithery cold skin and you're looking at that snake and all its entire intent is to strike and kill you. That is everything. You can just see it in its eyes, right? If I let fear overcome me, I'm dead. If I freeze up, I lock up. If I am, if I have no fear, if I don't respect the signals that fear is sending, I'm dead. So your ability to manage fear, if you let fear overpower you and create these windows and blinders. So when you have that worry of like, what if, what if you start thinking about this, catastrophizing this situation and thinking about all the ways that it could be going wrong. And what that does is it shuts off the creative windows for what your potential is. And it takes you out of being present so you can't even focus on what's in front of you anyways. So what I have people do is spend time imagining, right now, that has happened. In this moment, everything's been stripped away again. You've got nothing. It really spends some time, maybe days, weeks, thinking about like, right now, I don't have a way to make ends meet next week. You got no paycheck, whatever it is your fear is. I lost the house. Whatever your fears are, be in that moment, meditate on that and go, what would I do if that was the case? Where would I go? What would be my next move? So kind of intentional exposure in your mind to it, to desensitize but also to train you somehow. Train and to allow you to see the opportunities. You're spending all this time worried about what that's gonna happen, how to prevent that from happening, instead of going, oh, if that happens, I have all these assets of my knowledge and my skills and all the things that I've built and my confidence and my resilience. And what would I do and where would I go and what would those next move? And you would see the landscape open in front of you of all these potentials going, if I had to start from it, you know, this is what I'd really wanna do. This is, I would want to be, and it's slightly over here when I'm actually on this. And then, okay, now let's come back. Once you've done that exercise, come back to the reality of, oh, you haven't lost all that. Everything that you have and where you're sitting right now is a massive bonus. And now I can use that and leverage and maybe redirect where I'm going as well. Yeah, kind of bring those two things congruent. Because the fear has closed so much down that you're not seeing the actual opportunity that you have to work with right now. So last September, year ago, September, that's exactly where I was. Monday, lost everything. Tuesday, I wake up and I tell my wife, this is awesome, this is where we're going. These are the things we're doing. It was literally a one day process. I allowed myself a day to go, this sucks. And it just, it turned that quick. I knew where I was going and what I was doing. Like I was so constrained. Like I'd been doing this stuff with peptides and cellular medicine and biology for quite some time. Longer than I've been doing the equipment side. That was all in output because I saw the gaps of like what we were doing in training that wasn't aligned with our cellular biology. So I was creating the tools that allowed that to happen through changing those peripheral neurological inputs by changing how the load sits in space. Did some really, really cool stuff. That's why I penetrated so fast. So, but I couldn't talk about all those other pieces that this was just one part of this larger system. Why I had a shoe company. Why I had a supplement company. They were all tied together from a philosophical standpoint of how we operate an underlying level and how we could leverage that. But talking about peptides was completely offline with the investors and board that I had. Like I couldn't broach that. So I had some of top docs in the world and coaches that knew, people knew that I did that. And, but it was all behind the scenes. So I was educating and mentoring folks and I wasn't able to share that with the vast amount of people that followed me. I mean, I couldn't even share the memes that I wanted. And, you know, like it was, and so just going, oh, that just opened the world to me. And you wouldn't be able to see that if you have those fear blinders on. So you need to respect fear, but we've got us be able to have some tools. And I just shared one tool of how to strip those away and some practice to be able to open and see the creativity. Cause that's what gets dampened when the fear winders are on. And if you're naturally control oriented and feel like you have to know what comes next in order to make a decision, you've already all but ensured that you can't be creative cause you can only be creative and adaptable if you somewhat surrender. I think sometimes people take it too far and they think that surrender and recklessness are the same, but they're not, right? Surrender has a, I understand what could happen, I understand what I'm looking at, but when she's selected unfolds. Yeah. And my wife is more of that control side. And so I've had to have that influence during our life. And she's, you know, a lot of my business approach and other approaches is like, we can think and plan, which I love doing. I'm an engineer and super detailed. That's what I do. But at the same time, I know, no matter how much I could, I've watched engineers spend two, three years designing this project to go into an automotive application. And then when we set up the line and run, they didn't think about this thing, right? And it's like, we could have mocked that whole thing up with cardboard and duct tape and put it out there and started, but it wouldn't, oh, but it's not ready. The sooner you go, the sooner you learn. So it's duct tape and cardboard. Just move. You don't wait for perfection because there is never perfection. It's always some level of iteration. So the practice of doing that, and it takes time to get comfortable with like, okay, if you're typically a control person is very perfection oriented, like we're gonna get there, but it's always a step. What's the North Star? Where do we want to be? And this is actually based on a lot of Japanese manufacturing philosophy coming out of, stemming out of the 1940s influence of Dr. Deming. But that approach is this, like every day, you can never get to perfection. You can never get to that North Star, but you can always be one step closer and taking that step closer every day. What step have you made today? I wanna pause for a second because this episode matters to me on so many levels personally. As you know, if you've been following along with my podcast, I did not get into the peptide space for human optimization. I got into them because my body was completely broken down. I was having autoimmune flares, hormonal weight gain that was not responding to any of my strong willpower or time spent in the gym. The only thing that actually made it change was adding peptides to my daily routine. When I did that, I started to understand bioavailability, dosing, stacking, and that is everything we're covering in today's episode with one of the leading experts in the peptide space. As you know, I am partnered with LEMD so that you don't have to guess where your products are coming from, whether they're black market from China. You can find all of my recommended stacks at LEMD forward slash busy gold. And LEMD is ELLIEMD.com forward slash busy gold. And I go deeper into all of my protocols and offer support on my telegram group, which is also gonna be linked in the show notes. Now back to the show. And I suppose with that, the process of iteration, some people are naturally more inclined toward embarrassment and thinking, oh, well, what are people gonna think about that? And I think, again, going back to the brain pattern type that I think you have, which is the same that I have, there's very little care for that. You're not blind to it. You understand what people could think, but it doesn't matter as much. And typically I've found in my body of work that that comes from not necessarily being able to trust primary caregivers in childhood. So in a way, then you transpose that onto it. And you don't really give too much weight to what anybody thinks because you're gonna find a way to figure it out and get across the finish line. Yeah, pretty much. So, if you don't fall in that brain type, it's just getting the practice exposure to that. I'm afraid of what other people are gonna say. All right, post something, you're afraid of putting up your social media marketing post or whatever, isn't gonna be perfect. Put up one that knows bad. Do it, yeah, do it. You're gonna need to get used to seeing those comments and responses. You're gonna have to do that at some point. It's gonna happen, it's gonna come. I'm not a quote person, but there is one quote that I intentionally put in all my work with Break Method. It's one of my favorites. It's Chuck Planey quote, the guy of the Rural Fight Club. And it says, find out what you're afraid of and go live there. And that's how I live my life. I think that's, it is what human beings are intended to do. And I think if you intentionally go into the places that you are afraid, that is the pattern opposition that helps us grow. It supports the growth of our interior mid-singulate cortex. Then you feel more purpose in your life and everything kind of just flows downstream from that. Beautiful. Let's jump into peptides a little bit. Our audience is somewhat familiar with peptides. If you haven't gone back to watch the initial episode on peptides, I think it was episode maybe six or seven. And then we did another episode digging a little bit more into MCAS symptoms and how some of those can be relieved with peptides. Are there kind of, if you look at peptides, do you think of them in kind of tears of kind of like, these are kind of maybe things that are generally applicable for the general population, and then these are kind of more specifics. How do you look at the world of peptides and is there a hierarchy with how you look at it? I don't know if there's a hierarchy, but there's certainly categories. Now I should provide the caveat. I try to share things from my anecdotal experience. I think the fact that I have over 20 years of experience adds some significant value. And the fact that I've been able to be involved and mentor and develop a lot of the protocols that you see floating around today are stuff that I was putting out 15 years ago to coaches and they got shared around. But I'm not a medical professional, right? And a lot of these are not FDA approved and all of the insert medical disclaim are here. Yeah, so the GLPV, the single agonist, the dual agonist are, you know, medical, SS31 recently, which is mitochondrial peptide, was approved in September and then Eli Lilly just did the phase three trial of retitutide, which is the triple agonist GLP with Glucogen, which is absolutely phenomenal. The research on that is tremendous. So there's categories, right? So we've got neurological based peptides. We've got metabolic or mitochondrial based peptides. We've got peptides that are rhythm based, lining your circadian and hormonal rhythm. We've got growth hormone, analogs or secretogogs. And we've got healing peptides, but there's thousands and thousands of peptides. I mean, a peptide is simply an amino acid bond like a protein, but a lot smaller. So it's between two to 50 amino acids is what a peptide is. So just so people have an awareness like what it, and there's a lot of people who think that they just came out and just became available. I think it was 1926, the first peptide went into medical use, which was insulin, life-changing product, right? And then in the 1960s is when we started to be able to synthesize them a bit better. And then they really started exploding in the 80s and 90s when the cost of that synthesization started coming down. And now there's a lot more, but the research, there's research that goes way back. Like if we're talking cognitive peptides, cerebral lysine has been around since 1948, patented in 53. It's an incredible like brain healing compound. I used it on my nephew when he was in the hospital with five brain surgeries and then a coma for months. First day. Is it good for traumatic brain injury? Yes, it's phenomenal. I need to write that one down. My daughter has cerebral palsy and we've been really on a mission to do. There's research as it relates to cerebral palsy. Yep. So yeah, and it's been around for a long time. Connect with me on that because it's not available in the US. I do have cerebral lysine hydrolysate, which is kind of the specific of that. And there's also dihexa, which is one of the peptides within cerebral lysine. Cerebral lysine is basically fermented pig brains, but really, really incredibly powerful. Dihexa is the specific peptide that, and it's like 10 million times more powerful than brain drive and a new tropic factor for repairing the brain. So there's some really phenomenal. I was just watching a gentleman who's had, he had 15 TBIs and essentially he tried to kill himself. He could barely talk, was influent, and he used cerebral lysine and dihexa to become a fully functioning person in less than a year. My daughter's most affected in her speech, and she's annoyed. I don't know another way to, she's like almost 16. So some of it's teen hormones, but before she just kind of accepted it to some extent, and now every day she's pissed. Understandable. So what's that? So yeah, those are some really great peptides that relate to actually repairing brain structure. So cerebral lysine is, yeah, it's a neurotrophic, not a new tropic. So a number of peptides that people talk about, like Samax, Cilank, New Pept, those are all like, new tropic based peptides, where neurotrophic is healing the brain tissue. So it's like anabolism for muscle. So one is helping it grow, the other's just maybe helping connectivity, is that the distinction? Okay, got it. So yeah, helping the firing or helping with either dopamine or GABA or serotonin and basically balancing those within the brain and improving those functions, they were, multiple of them work different ways, but I'd say most of the ones that you hear about related to brain are related in that fashion. Now, I honestly don't use or promote a lot of those with, I have found that if we, so if we dive into basically neurodegenerative diseases, so Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, things like that, what we see in the driver of that disease is lack of feel for the brain. So the mitochondria that breaks down with age or stress or TBI or any number of those items starts breaking down and that mitochondria creates that ATP that is the, the fuel that we run off of. And that in the brain, which is highly glucose dependent and being able to convert glucose into ATP, that's the deficit. And so that's where, and that's where like SS31 just came in, it's a great neurodegenerative compound and I'm hoping it gets approved for additional within that. But I found that attacking that particularly with my boardroom athlete, let's say, this 45 to 65 year old, which also could be, again, an athlete or someone that is, they've had the significant amount of stress. Maybe they haven't had the sleep that they need, not eaten as well, the alcohol, the exposure to tons of fluorescent lights, not getting the light, sunlight exposure, all this stuff leads to mitochondrial decline. And what do we commonly call that? Brain fog or just, my brain's not with it anymore because I'm older. That's what your brain not with it anymore and taken further is neurodegenerative disease. And that's the driver of those neurodegenerative diseases based on our current understanding right now. And that's what these compounds are being researched for right now. So MOTS, MOTC and SS31, they're two different mitochondrial agents that we can use. They also do a lot for our body when we're doing that. So, but I found that the cognitive comes along so far with those that it really makes most of these people trying to attack that via, hey, I need to take this thing that improves my brain function. Your case very different. I would absolutely drive in there, but I'm going, you know, our typical 40 to 70 year old that wants to be performing better. Well, they're probably also have some, you know, maybe some pre-diabetes or poor insulin response. These are all responders. If that's combined with hyperlipidemia, again, that's another signal that we've got some mitochondrial breakdown. They've got probably excess body fat that they've been having trouble getting off. You're not able to add lean mass. Again, the body's not responding right. So as we tackle that, this gets better. And as that gets better, what your emotional resilience goes up. Because you've got the energy when those things hit you, your stress response and resilience is a lot stronger. So there's actually, there's another one in that class, SLU-PP332, which I created the first orally available with Urolithin A, which is a well researched, again, mitochondrial. So I've got that in a single and it's a capsule version. And it drives that biogenesis. So the creation of new mitochondria and then ramping up the mitochondria and its function as well at the same time. So it's really valuable. But the SS-31 and MOTC is a really good discussion. So one of those, I heard you talking about it, when I was on here. So I'll use mechanic analogies because I'm an engineer. All right. It's like a chip on your car or reprogrammer. If you're not a car person, it's a new software update on your computer. You've got the same hardware and it just goes in and does a reset and you get whole new level of performance. Reduz the timing, the fuel, like everything. You step on that gas and you're like, whoa. All right, that's the sport mode on your car. It just changes how it operates. Braking's more responsive, transmissions, shifting better, all that's happening. It's like a whole new car and nothing happened except for loading a new program. But if the engine's knocking and you got some blue smoke coming out the back end, what would happen if we reprogrammed that? Probably have some problems maybe sooner because you're able to push it harder, you're pushing it harder, your energy levels are up. So you're taking this MOTC, you're like, I feel amazing. I feel great. I'm going to exercise. I'm getting sore. I just, I'm doing my training. I just keep pushing the workout further because my endurance capacity is going up like every day. Chris, this feels great until it doesn't. That's where SS31 comes in. SS31 is the mechanic. So it goes in and fixes the structure. And it's specific, it's really unique. It is electrostatically charged and goes straight into the mitochondria and attaches what's got the opposite charge of what's called cardiolipin, which is a very unique lipid that's in the mitochondria and stabilizes that membrane. So it helps repair that cardiolipin and stops the leakage. So that's what's happening when we've got that mitochondrial breakdown going on. The energy process, that engine, so mitochondria is an engine that's creating, it does a whole lot more than that. Everybody loves the powerhouse of the cell. It's way more involved in that art. Understanding mitochondria, particularly over the last five years, is just, the science has just really taken off. But as it relates to this, it's that engine that's producing that, and it's leaking. It's just not very efficient. Well, as it's leaking, we've got reactive oxygen species developing. So we've got all this oxidization that's building up, and that just starts just getting, everything's building on everything and getting worse. And that's where the energy levels are going down. Maybe your blood sugar's getting off, your brain fog's kicking in. All these things are starting to happen and degrade. And you're like, it's just aging. And you can see it too. You see it in the aging process. Your skin doesn't look as good. You're not able to keep muscle on. All this, the body's functioning, is breaking down at a cellular level. And so cardiolipin goes in and fixes that structure. And that's why it's in research and actually now approved for at least one neurodegenerative disease. Because it is so unique and just drives straight in, and it purposely attaches to that cardiolipin, which is unique to the mitochondria. Is that something that you would have to cycle, or is that something that you would just be on hypothetically? So like the mechanic? For a long period of time. You shouldn't need to run it continuously. But like the mechanic, if I dropped it off every night and they went through and changed the oil and did a tune on it, it wouldn't do anything bad either. Okay, so there's no potential downside. So SS, other than out of your pocketbook. Same as the mechanic, right? And be expensive. So this is how we think about using those. So MOTC, for example, you would use that like on your high energy days. Like, hey, I've got a board meeting or I've got, these are my exercise days. Two, three days a week, you'd run a dose of that. You could run it, say, eight to 12 weeks. Well, I'm taking my car out to the track for eight to 12 weeks during track season. I'm gonna take it into the mechanic at the end of that. Probably gonna start taking it in before because it's gonna start wearing. So maybe the last two weeks of that, I start taking SS 31, then I run SS 31 for five weeks. I could overlay it the whole time if I wanted, right? Or I could keep running it through the whole year if I wanted. It does have a nice leaning effect and other positive effects. I like it. I run it fairly often because, well, I have a peptide company, so. Why not? But certainly not something. But if I'm starting from the point of like, hey, I've got this breakdown. So this is where most of my people coming to me are in this eight, like, they've hit that wall, these markers starting coming in. I'm typically gonna start them on SS 31, right? And then maybe towards the last, like, hey, let's run four, five, six weeks SS 31. And the last couple of weeks, all right, let's start taking it to the track. We start putting them in the MOTC or the SLUPP. And now we're working to performance optimize. Now, if we're talking to somebody that's younger, like in their 20s or 30s and they don't have that breakdown, and they're just like, I'm prepping for something or just wanting to enhance, you just go straight to the MOTC. You don't need the mechanic, right? That would be the approach of that. But these are tremendous for your brain and your body and your emotional resilience as this all starts hitting you, right? And so that's some of my go-to. Now, you combine that a lot of times with some healing peptides, which sounds like you're probably taking some GHK. I call that the third, it's the master craftsman. So you, it real estate background. So most people have heard of BPC 157. BPC 157. That is, that's the site crew. That's the workers. They're taking the raw materials and you've got a house that's, you know, let's say burnt down. We're going into that, that, and they're taking that and they're building, they're doing the building blocks. They're following the plan, right? And then we've got, it's, let's say the site format. Taking the blueprints and going, all right, workers build this house, this house out. TB four or TB 500, which is a, an analog of TB four would be the architect. It'd be the one with the 3D structure that's impacting the, that cell structure itself and telling the foreman what to do. Those two work together. They also have some anti-inflammatory impact. They also enhance what's called angiogenesis, which is what needs to happen when you, when you hurt something that, that inflammatory response itself is something that starts creating new blood, angiogenesis, fancy word for creation of new micro capillaries, new blood cells that are feeding that area and doing the repair. What does that do? That brings substrate material in and also clearances the waste products as it goes out, which is another important discussion is around having the right substrate material to work with from a nutrition and supplementation standpoint, the waste products coming out in clearance. So we've got that. And then GHK would be the master craftsman. So GHK has 4,000 different pathways for, for improving healing. And it takes it to the next level. So it affects a lot of the more your white tissue, your tendons, the ligaments, skin, hair, nails, things like that. But it's going to take that home and make it better than it was before, making sure that it's, everything's laid down the way that it should be, not just slapped together and structure thrown out. And then we might have KPV in there as well. That'd be the fourth one kind of in this healing protocol. And that's just a simple tri peptide. So three amino acids. And it's the firefighter. So that is the one that you might explore for the histamine reaction too, because it's a massive antian floor. So it's going, because if that, if a fire breaks out, we're no longer building the structure, right? So KPV is making sure the body doesn't over respond, that it responds appropriately. And those inflammatory state and controls, everything's all right, let's keep this process going. So you think of it more of insurance. It also rolls into autoimmune, so it's big for autoimmune. A lot of times KPV is taken orally because it does affect that mucosal tissue as well. So it's really great for the gut and the lining, but the injectable version works as well. What is your take on oral BPC? Because I see that a lot and even like BPC patches and things like that. What is the, are those sneak oil, a scam, are they legit? If they're bound to an arginate salt, they are bio available. And BPC is actually derived in the gut ourselves. So body protective compound is in the gut and that's where that's from, but it needs to be bound to an arginate salt to withstand the pH of the stomach. It's not gonna be as effective taken orally, but it can also be more effective. If I've got somebody with any sort of GI issues, inflammatory, Crohn's disease, colitis, but also just we've got leaky gut or other systems, symptoms that are going on, and particularly involved with any sort of autoimmune disease, almost always start people on an oral dose of BPC, GHK, KPV, and then a few other things, lorazotide, usually TUDCA as well. You're talking to me, because I tried the injectable version of that and I actually was not doing well with it. And I have, I've got diagnosed with lupus when I was 23 and a whole host of other things. So, which I remember from our first podcast. So, oral for those ones. Oral for those. If you have those issues, because I think a lot of our audience is kind of autoimmune, chronic condition sort of audience. And I don't make any money selling that. I buy it from this company in Australia. The formulator is really tremendous. It's LVLUP Health. We'll put it in the show notes. I'll get all the links from you. And I think you can do it, yeah, Duff and LVLUP, you can get a discount code on there. Okay, great. But yeah, it's tremendous product. You don't need to take it year round. It's something that you should see effects within 30 days. So, and so one to two months of the one product I'm talking about, because it has all the other compounds in it. Zincal carnicine, like I said, the lorazetide, Tributeyrine, which is another unique fatty acid that is great for improving the, what I call the signaling terrain. The ability for peptides or just signals. And, you know, the communication lines are broken down. That text message, not going anywhere. It doesn't go anywhere, right? So improving that. And that's what this product does as well, doing that if we've got that inflammatory response in the body, calming that down. And this is just theory on my part, but I see a tremendous change when starting with a month or two of this for those individuals. And they may still have to do that, you know, once or twice a year, like things get out of control or have some available where they take it for a few weeks and then you just don't need to take it all the time. And my theory is it doubles up on the response because we're also affecting the vagus nerve, that mind body. So we're systemically having that systemic effect in the body out the cellular that those compounds are doing, but we're doubling down because that's also affecting the brain. And then that's affecting the outward neurology from that. So you've got two pathways when you've got that out of control. And that's what we really need to bring that systemic into control. So really, really powerful to go that direction. And then we might switch to an injectable after that. And those, there's a lot of anti-aging docs that prescribe those year round. They're safe, highly effective. I still think cycling is a good approach. So typically if somebody, like anybody that's, let's say 40 plus is gonna see a benefit of running an eight to 12 week cycle a couple of times a year of this. Like it's gonna improve. There's a lot of things that go on with improving your recovery. You're just gonna move forward. Your joints are gonna feel better. Your skin's gonna be a little better. The BPC and TB together also increase androgen receptor density, which is basically allowing you to get more from the hormones that you do have. Like there's a lot that's going on there. So you're gonna find benefit. The copper levels in your body start declining in your mid 30s and continue to be declining into your 60s and 70s. So again, that is a great one to have in there. So that BPC, TB and GHK, at least, KPV just depends on your inflammatory needs or autoimmune. But that a couple of times a year for an eight to 12 week cycle. But if you really like it and you're like, man, I wanna run this all the time, you go 12 weeks on, four weeks off and you might go to, let's say, five days a week on, two days off. And that's just more of a cost save. Like if you've got an injury and you're trying to heal it, take it every day. And take it till the cessation of the injury. All right, you don't have to take time off. This is just good parameters. But I do that five on two off because that makes a vial of what I sell called the glow product which has all three of those. Last a month makes it super easy and it's pretty cost effective. And then we've got our rhythm and growth hormone analogs and all that stuff, which is really like, just as simple. If we didn't get into the mitochondrial agents, like, hey, I don't have mitochondrial dysfunction, I'm 40 plus and I just wanna feel and live better. That glow product and a growth hormone analog time appropriately to enhance your circadian rhythm, those two together are gonna feel like you're unwinding the clock like 10 or 15 years. And have you gone into those ones yet or you were just about to? I was just gonna go to that, yeah. I have one quick question about cycling GLP and then I would love to hear about those ones because I know there's so many people in our audience who are currently micro dosing Terzapetide. And I'm also fallen to this audience, so I'm curious. What technically could be good cycling behavior here because I did it for the first three months and I was at the, I think it's the five milligrams, I think. Then I dropped down to 2.5 milligrams for a few months and I noticed my weight didn't come back, my weight stayed where it was, but a lot of my autoimmune symptoms started to creep back. So I went back up just because to me, it's less about the weight and to me it's more just about not feeling like crap. So what potentially could my future look like and is there a beneficial way to think about micro dosing Terzapetide as you look out into future months or years? So just like, I'll just mention Redditruetide for a minute and you go back because actually my premium stack, my, I compare, yeah, let me just get into this. Yeah, do it. Redditruetide just had the phase three trials with Eli Lilly and they were phenomenal. They actually did it on patients with osteoarthritis of the knees. Okay, in the study, the average weight loss was, oh gosh darn it, it was 70 pounds. Yeah, I remember I was looking at those. It was 68.8 pounds and average of 30% of body loss. Now, what's, I mean, that's the most weight loss of any clinical study in history that I'm aware of. Somebody finds something, shoot me a message and let me know so I quit misspeaking. So I'm aware of, but I'm pretty confident that that's the most ever. But on the scale of one to 10 for pain, I think it was 80% of the folks had a reduction in pain of 4.5%. And one in eight had complete remediation of arthritis. That's amazing. That's amazing. And I bring it because that's, you're talking, autoimmune disease, arthritis falls and athelosclerosis that falls into that same category. That's that reduction. And now obviously some of that is also related to the weight loss on the knee, the impact on the knee, right? But that certainly would not be all related to the weight loss. Those are all compounding factors though that need to be taken into consideration. So absolutely tremendous. There is no single better compound for body composition for dollar than red atrutide, that one, that triple agonist, because it's got that glucogen on in there that drives the energy side of the equation, right? So we've got the trisepotide controlling insulin response, having some of that anti-inflammatory, but then we've got the addition of the glucogen, which is increasing the energy use. So it's controlling that whole other side of that equation. But it drives it hard. So there's a cost of that. And so if you're using red atrutide, you will see like a negative impact on HRV, potentially, not potentially, you will see an increase in your resting heart rate, because it's ramping that up. And there's a cost. I already have a crazy high resting heart. Yeah, so red atrutide not be a good choice. So I consider that like a Corvette, amazing bang for your buck. You want performance at the lowest cost, it's right there. But if you take trisepotide and combine it with MOTC and SS31, that's more like a Rolls Royce or Bentley. I'm a Rolls Royce kind of girl, tell me more. Yeah, exactly. So this is, it's not for everyone, but for the people, it's the right height, what you're getting out of that. You're improving these longevity markers you're doing, because we're driving still the mitochondria, but in a softer, cleaner way that is also more focused on the health side of those outcomes. So that would be that approach. Now the other, if you wanted to cycle those, is you could take that trisepotide season and go, I'm gonna do that MOTC and SS combo that Chris was talking about in some time off, or some SLU, right? Where I'm gonna get different pathways. So I'm not driving the same system, but I'm getting a similar results where it's gonna create some leanness, it's gonna create some health and reducing some of the, improve my resistance. And that might have some effect on that. Maybe I'll put the KPV in there at that period of time. Run the oral BPC. So there's a great eight or 12 week cycle that you could take. How much time do you think you could take off of the trisepotide without losing what you gained from it? Because I lost it probably in four to five weeks. At least the physical symptoms. Yeah. Pain and so on and that. Are you talking the autoimmune or the? Just from the autoimmune side, because my weight maybe went up like ever so slightly. It seems maybe like it was more just, like I maybe was more bloated than I had been before, just a little bit, but kind of more natural. But yeah, I think different sort of pain and like histamine sensitivity and some more of my MCAS related symptoms, they started to creep back maybe four to five weeks after dropping my dose to half. So taking that product that has multiple compounds in it, you should be able to keep those in remediation at that period of time. So maybe start that as you start tapering the dose, but I don't have a fixed answer. There's going to be the individual biology. And again, for someone else that's going, hey, the hunger cravings is controlled, like that's a big issue. You could look at putting something like. I have no appetite. So that one wasn't a big one for me, praise God. Just for your audience, right? Yeah. Because there's the behavior modulation side of that, right? Which is for anybody who doesn't know, like these will have an impact on alcoholism, on gambling addiction. Like it's not just the appetite. These pathways are connected. Do you think that we're going to see in our next five years here, them start to actually be prescribed for addiction? I wish, I hope so. Because some of those that are really hard, like those pathways with those individuals, it's hard to overcome. And it's so phenomenal, the level of impact that it has. Maybe people could say discipline this or that, but you've never lived in those people's heads. I've grown up around addiction and loss. And you've got to have some sympathy and understanding that there's some different wiring. And sometimes a reset can, adding some help in there is not a bad thing. No. And so I truly hope so. But MoanaTan2 is another one that people don't realize has some of those same qualities. Is that the one that makes you tan? It's the one that makes you tan, yes. So you're telling me that I can be tan and free of some of these symptoms? Yes. Also jacks up your sex drive and... Wow, why is everybody taking MoanaTan2? They call it the MoanaTan, sorry, they call it the Barbie drug. They should call it Jersey Shore. I feel like you said that I'm like Jim Tandem. It's a pretty great little underrated compound because it affects in some of the same ways that the Terzapetide can affect like mood as well if you've ever felt that sensation, kind of stabilizing that. MoanaTan2 is actually a little bit better for that, but it has those same addiction side of that. And I've used that with people for this specifically that have trouble with some of those things. What does a typical MoanaTan cycle look like? How many days per week would you have to take it? There's a lot of different ways you can do that. You could microdose that daily. You could also take it a couple of days. And a great way if you're focused on the tanning side is to take it like 15 minutes before your exposure to the sun or a tanning bed. But there's also getting too tanned and maybe I want those other benefits and I don't want the tan side. Then maybe like the microdosing and doing that when you're time away from that. So I don't have a specific protocol for that because there is a high level of variability. And it's one though, anybody that tries to play with MoanaTan, it has some really bad nausea up front. So you really want to start very, very low and then work that dose up. It's been a while since I've done the MoanaTan2. So I'm not going to go through dosages with that. I personally like to have that, I like to level out kind of the mood and the craving side of that is typically when I'm putting that in it for some reason I'm a period of year that that's kicking in hard, I might use that. It's been a while since I've done that. Or if I'm going to go on vacation to somewhere with a lot of sun prep, because people are always worried, like MoanaTan the cancer side, it's actually protective. Yeah, I would think so. Just thinking about the mechanism of it, I'm like, what? Yeah, no, no, it's protective. So. Got it. But the nausea side can be pretty aggressive up front. That can be off-putting. So do not take the high dosage of it. And again, that's where the micro dose you can come in. Okay, I took one seventh of the dose. Felt nothing the next day, Adela, you do it again. You can kind of tailor that, make sure that you're not doing that instead of going, okay, I'm going to take, take it three, twice a week and you take this full dose. That'll hit you. So you could also do that right before bed to limit those effects up front on the nausea. That would be less effective for the tanning obviously. Just so that you're sleeping through nausea, is that essentially, got it. Just sleep through it. So you were going to go into some more of the peptides that have to do, I think with kind of like growth hormone modulation or those like the Tessamaryllin, Epamaryllin side. Yes, indeed, yes. All right, that is what the good. Yeah, so growth hormone itself has been used for a long time in the anti-aging communities. I shift a lot of people away from growth hormone, especially once they try the approach and dosing. And I've used growth hormone in the past in my, my lifting phase and I find a pulsing, our natural growth hormone being far superior. It is so much cleaner and has all your individual biochemistry, let's say, with it. And so there's two different ways that you can attack that. One is stimulating the hypothalamus and the other is the ghrelin receptor, which is also associated with the GLPs, right? And so stimulating both of those is a dual pathway. So we've got ipama-moralin, which will stimulate one side and CJC the other with the ipama-moralin. You can also switch that out for, let's say, Tessamaryllin, which you mentioned. I don't use Tessamaryllin very often. People say, often referred to that as the holy grail because it is one of those FDA approved compounds. But I find that it has a little bit higher impact on the sympathetic nervous system. So I have more people that have sleep disturbances from it and then I have to have them take it at a different time of day. And this part of the discussion starts getting very important. Time of day with our hormones and aligning those with our circadian rhythm. And when you first start it, it may seem pretty subtle, but subtle comes really powerful over time. This is one of those things that gets off with driving that, you know, on that, the adrenal side, cortisol, like all these things start breaking down. Some of that rhythm, that natural rhythm. And so doing these before bed is a really tremendous way of resetting that when you're natural pulses. You can add it again at the morning if you want to enhance muscle growth further or leaning further, because it does have a leaning effect as well. But we'll always start with an evening dose, which is opposite of how it's used in a lot of traditional approaches where it may be timed around exercise, particularly in the bodybuilding realm or morning dose. We're gonna do the evening very specifically, always gonna do that. And then I like the IPAMM amoralin and CJC 1295 without DAC. So that's a shorter pulse that stays elevated less period of time again, because of that pulsing timeframe. So most recommendations out there, I think are with the DAC, which is a longer lasting. So that pulse is staying sustained. We don't want to do that. We want that pulse like our body has with that same rhythm. So those two different pathways, you could start with just IPAMM amoralin, which is a less aggressive or somoralin. That's another one that you could change with IPAMM amoralin. That's a great entry level for folks if they wanna do that, start with the somoralin. And again, you're just hitting one side of those pathways. I've seen the somoralin in a, I think is a capsule format or something like that. Should that be potentially effective or would you say that injections are superior on that one? I always vary towards the injections unless it's specifically more morally bioavailable. Like your cost, your efficacy, all that is always gonna be better. Tesmoralin is another one that is put in a capsule form a lot of times. If I'm doing that, I'm gonna do injectable as well. That's just the approach. It's the best way to administer nearly all peptides, not necessarily all. And then with those, pulsing that, that circadian alignment, the Tesmoralin, another reason I'd be away from that in addition to that sympathetic side, particularly in when I find females, 40 plus, you get more water retention and bloat in there. We also have more injection site problems in pain with Tesmoralin. So I think it's highly overrated, my opinion. People wanna buy it, I sell it to them all the time. I've got it available, cause some people are just set and I'm fine with that. It's an effective product, but that combo CJC 1295 and without the AC and IPAMM or more in is amazing. I recommend that five days a week, two days off, not from a cost-save, but as a regular protocol. That allows you to run this for pretty long lengths of time, almost like an ongoing basis. Maybe every now and again, you might switch one of those to like some more and or Tesmoralin if you want it to change that up. But that five on two off gives a day where we're not pushing that hypothalamus. And yeah, that combined with the like the glow blend, you start, like I said, you're like, I don't feel sore from exercise. I feel better, my sleep. And that's where a lot of people switch from growth hormone. Once they try this is there's quality of sleep nearly instantly goes up. And that has immediate impact with that. If somebody has some of those cortisol, melatonin disruptions, and we're not getting there fast enough with the CJC IPAMM or more, we may use something called eptothalon. So eptothalon is an anti-aging that a lot of people don't realize the effect that it has on circadian rhythm. So it's used around enhancing the telomere length, which is basically the unraveling of the DNA. It's what sets our age. Like we can't really age past, it's 120, 125 years, right? That's optimal, everything's perfect. And then when we're degraded, we live less than that, right? But the eptothalon is potentially could enhance that. I don't know if I buy that until that actually starts happening. But it's really amazing for this circadian reset. And in fact, if you're traveling time zones, it's a great one for jet lag, taking that right before or after that period of time. That's something I like to employ with a lot of my clients that have those big travel. Actually, I was just doing a podcast yesterday with a leading plastic surgeon located not too far from here. It does some really cool stuff. And he has like his clients fly in for surgery the week prior so that they can get that reset because the impact of those sleep cycles being off really affects the surgery and the recovery from that. I'm like, hey, eptothalon, be a great product to intervene with for that. So that's one that you would run. And is it true that that's something that you actually have to be cautious about how frequently you use it? I had someone tell me that you can only use it, like run a cycle of it once, I don't know if it was like once every six months or once a year. No, you can run it more. I think that running it a couple of times a year is valuable. So typically, and that's maybe where there was referencing is a lot of the protocols out there are, hey, do this twice a year at time train time because it basically makes the time transit. So it's a great time to employ that. A 10 day cycle at five to 10 milligrams a day is the standard kind of approach when it relates to circadian reset. So you could run it more frequently than that, yeah. All right. So I'm really impressed with how deep you went on all of those. I'm sure people are eating this up at home. I would definitely connect with you afterwards just to make sure to get all the links. So just remember, if you're watching or listening to this episode, the show notes are gonna be your critical place to go to get all links and codes. I wanna change gears and go a bit more into just how you see human potential at large. When you think about what human beings are capable of, what do you think we could possibly achieve over the next five to 10 years if you get the conditions right? I wanna be careful with how I answer this because I could come across as very woo-woo or like if we're talking theoreticals, particularly when we're saying things around medicine going, hey, I think that we should be able to heal certain diseases. Gotta be careful with language around that. So hopefully the audience understands that as I'm going through this. I think our audience is pretty woo-open. And it's not necessarily woo- I'm more concerned around stating disease, stating compound, that gets into dicey ground, more so with a lot of people that I work with because I am so involved in the clinical network. That's where a lot of my referrals come from is like let's say people in the back pain arena, people that specialize that, they get to a certain point, they've got nerve damage, so on, they're coming to me. I wanna be careful not having a statement out there going, hey, Chris is saying you can cure cancer. All right, at the same time, the things that we're talking about and the advances in mitochondrial cellular medicine, we're talking about the root drivers of nearly all disease pathways are inflammation, mitochondrial decline and reduction in ATP generation, break down in that process. Those are the three drivers of cardiovascular disease, metabolic disease, cancer, like, and cancer is a natural thing. We get cancer like seven, nine times a day, honestly. So it's not curing cancer, but creating an environment where it doesn't proliferate. So, and I work with a lot of leading stem cell docs globally and I've seen some of the things that they're doing as well as the results that I'm talking about and things that you've seen. Personally, remediation of your autoimmune, things that like your standard medical model, you're not seeing happen. Being able to regenerate tissue. I mean, I had a case study, I think it was over five years ago, one that individual tore both quads off his knee. He's in the hospital getting them reattached. He's in a wheelchair. Your standard model of care for this is 60% of people at two years still have pain or stiffness. 50% of people never return to play. You're able to walk in a good case scenario two miles at six months, all right? This individual was deadlifting 700 pounds in 10 weeks and shortly thereafter competing at the 0.0001% of the population around the world for strength with zero pain or stiffness and complete. I mean, that's impossible. Except it's not. It's not. The root driver, I mean, type two diabetes should not even be a thing at this point in time. You shouldn't need insulin, like there are pathways to resolve these type of issues. So the things that we can do are amazing. Just right now, and this is growing so rapidly with the ability to our understanding at the cellular level. And I think that also that's gonna compound with the use of AI to further understand the intricacies of what is going on there, that we can't necessarily map with the human mind. And again, having the availability of these compounds that can penetrate into those cells, I talked about the size of the amino of peptides. That's the value of it because that size has a low level of accumulation, which is why it has such a high safety profile because it can't become toxic with those low accumulation levels. But the size also allows it to penetrate that cell membrane that a lot of drugs can't do. And then- I have one question because I understand everything that you're sharing and I can't help but think right now a lot of what you're talking about kind of is on the periphery of the medical system. So how do we, what role does that play? Cause I see that there's so much benefit, but it seems like right now there's this huge line where a lot of what is working is kind of outside of the medical system. It is, which so there's a number of my clients are in the system, right? Yeah. And because, and I'll take this straight from you know, the mouths of some of those clients that are doctors within our coaching module, right? Yeah. They are taught how to triage and deal with things when they're in a disease or yeah triage state, but don't have the experience or exposure to the optimization. How do we deal with that? Right? So that is one, a big gap right there. Now, again, that whole level, let me say the medical industrial complex, but at some point what's happening right now with the cellular, we're getting, and we're starting to see this with them attacking the regulation around it, which just went in place. I think December 8th, bill went in place, which basically GLPs and SS 31 need to be removed from sale. I haven't been issued a letter, so get them while you can. They will always be available to our clients. And the, I think that there's gonna be a big pushback and that's gonna hurt us for a little bit, but at some point you can't argue with the results. And there is going to be a place where the medical industry has to change and start embracing, and when that happens, that's gonna be amazing. I mean, at the end of the day, come on. I'm a gym row that's helping dispense and change stuff that people aren't getting advice, I'm getting referrals from that system, by people that want care for their clients. That shouldn't be the case. That shouldn't have to be the case. Yeah, it should be. Sure, that's my income and my livelihood. If it works and it has a good safety profile, it should be something that we adopt. But I wonder, and this goes to perhaps a more conspiratorial thread, I wonder how much of the resistance there is because ultimately, if all these peptide compounds have the ability to really actually reverse a lot of disease for people, then what is Big Pharma potentially losing in the long run? I think those numbers are probably astronomical. Yeah, and the big thing is creating the state where we don't have that disease to begin with, improving the terrain within our bodies, though that doesn't happen to begin with. That's where the opportunity is. Like once it's happened, like it's work to get back and then sustain, but that's where that potential is. And which is an interesting conversation at the end of the day because so much of this like is created from our modern life. Yes, we eliminated death from dysentery and all these other issues, but at the same time, operating within the, this is where the woo-woo, with the EMFs around us, the fluorescent lights, the stress, the chemicals in the water, that so on, all of this is creating this horrible life. The quality of food is incredible. Like all these things have, like let's get back to basics. We've talked in peptides, I'll just, at the end of the day, the amazing medicine is getting some sunlight, touching the ground and eating whole foods that are in season and getting good sleep, right? If we can get that and then also remove death from malaria and dysentery and put that together, that's where the modern world has the advantage, but it's working against those other pathways and that's what we're doing. Peptides, if I build peptide protocol for somebody that's 23 years old, it's not gonna do a damn thing. They're in good health. If I put together a peptide protocol for somebody that's 50, it's gonna look like they're on steroids and they're, you know, their mind, their body, everything's jacked, they're at a whole another level. It's like life changing. Well, we just turned back the clock to them being, you know, 28. Well, that's gonna look pretty, that's what that's gonna look like. Well, that's gonna look pretty, that's what that's gonna look like. It seems like they would still be benefit though if they never do the damage in the first place, hypothetically. Hypothetically, yes. Hypothetically. If we're doing the right things, like, I mean, just eating the whole foods in season, for example, these are signals for our mitochondria to know what season it is and whether they should be producing infrared light themselves, particularly if they're of a genetic halotype that doesn't, that isn't equated to living in Ponderay, which they're gonna have in the, the research is really clear for those with that genetic halotype living in Canada or Chicago or so on, cardiovascular disease, heart disease, diabetes, these are all through the roof because the cold signal is not being sent that tells the body to send out infrared light internally during the winter. I have been in the health industry forever. I have never heard somebody say before that the reason you eat foods that are in season is because it signals what season you're in. So thank you. There's the first for everything. Yeah, so it affects your, the quality of your food affects your mitochondria. There's the water that isn't it that is different. That's not gonna be the same. Like it's structured in a fashion that all, like that is what is moving into that membrane of the mitochondria as well. So it's, these things are really important. When you're sitting down to that healthy meal, go, I am feeling my mitochondria to perform better. And this is actually gonna make me mentally stronger. It's gonna make me lean out because it doesn't matter about the calories anymore in this meal, right? These are the fuel. Like it's cold, it's cold out. I should grab my jacket. You know what? I'll just go on this walk without it. I should be getting this at this time of year to some level, comfort's great. But I need to tell my body where I'm at and how it's supposed to be responding. I love that. What does a typical plate look like for you? Do you have, do you eat pretty simply? Do you eat the same general foods repetitively? Or is it based on season? I eat absolutely amazing. So my wife's been on Food Network and the cooking channel and some of our competition shows. And so we eat whole foods cooked in the home all the time. And you know what? On the drive up here, I grab McDonald's. Like I'm not a nut, but the majority, 95% of the time, that's what we're eating. Like my kids, if they want to go to something, it's meat and veggies and fruits. That's how they're stacking their plate, just because it's been an example. And that's where we, just from a parenting thing, I really believe in the, so much that goes wrong with how people talk about weight loss and diet and things like that around their kids that influence, just lead by example. Make sure you're going to the gym. They'll see it. See how you actually eat and prepare food. It will make those changes. Don't drive things into them so that they're going to obsess over through the course of their life and have to deal with when they're later dealing with it. Yeah, so yes, we eat good, but it's also not like super restrictive. And not obsessive. Exactly. I want to close with a couple of rapid fires. Are you ready to rapid fire? Yeah. And then I also want to make sure that we get where everybody can find you and all the good stuff that we talked about today. Okay, so I'd like you to rate each of these on a scale of one to 10. And then I've got to follow up as well. So obviously 10 is the best, one's the worst, one's like no benefit, might as well skip it. Okay, peptide therapy. Peptide therapy? Yeah. 10. Okay. Red light therapy and photo bio modulation. Woo. Nine. Cold bludging. If it makes you feel good, like I talked about cold, there's value, but understand what it's for. It can be misused in it often is. So I'm going to say three. I have a cold plunge and I said three. Okay, I like it. Just supplementation in general. Whole foods in season is amazing. I'm a supplement junkie though at the same time because there's so much deficit in our current food supply. Can we define supplementation as a. I think the way I'm looking at it is like people just. Targeted supplementation. I'm looking at it as kind of like how people just are like, oh, I heard about this thing and they're just kind of haphazardly loading on things. Yeah. I'd say how most people take supplements is probably a two. Right, it's probably actually doing. I'm trying to create a product called Terrain, which is for optimizing the signaling terrain. So you've got substrate. Like there's some really amazing things that you can do with supplements. I literally have my own supplement company and I'm working on developing some additional that work, but it's more about peptides or a 10. If I can enhance peptides by using a supplement protocol, that's a six. That's how I'm thinking about it. I don't think everybody's looking for supplements is like, here's the magic answer when they're looking at supplements. Supplements can enhance other things. It's in the word. Supplement. Yeah, to go with something else. To go with. Love it. Vibration therapy. I haven't dug into the, I'm gonna no rate on that one because I haven't dug into the research on that one yet. I'm a big fan. Frequency healing devices like Sound or any of the frequency machines. I think that PMF is severely underrated right now. So post-electromagnetic frequency. So it does a number of things. The research, it's FDA approved for bone healing in the formation of the osteoblast, but it does so much more. So we could talk about, we'll go back to supplementation here really quick too. So I talked about angiogenesis and I talked about delivering substrate material and clearing waste product. Well, peptides are enhancing that. Well, if I take a supplement and it's targeted and it's improving vasodilation maybe improving endothelial tissue quality that lining the blood vessels, then I'm going to be able to deliver more substrate and be able to pull more from that. If I get under a, if I get out on a post-electromagnetic frequency device, what am I gonna do? I'm going to take those microcapillaries and it's gonna be, boom, open, close, open, close. And I'm gonna be able to deliver both that stuff to that hard to reach or new tissue that we're trying to match at the same time. I'm also going to prime that mitochondrial membrane. I'm going to, missing the verbiage on that one. It's improving the gradient. So there's this gradient charge and it's charging that membrane. It's charging the cells of the battery at that mitochondrial level. So I love PENF because it's so multi-pathway and so stackable. Is there at home PENF? Yes, I sell one. Great. But it's because there's so overpriced. Mine is the same quality. You can go, so higher dose and bond charge have some great quality units, but they're like $1,500. And so I buy from the same factory. It's rebranded in my brand. I hope to get into some more medical device stuff because yeah, the pricing on that that they're selling to those is huge, but the value with PENF, and this is why I'm trying to make it economical. It's selling at a, you know, under $1,000 for the same unit, is being able to do it on a regular basis. Same thing with red light. And so being able to have that at home versus going to an office and do it once a week or once a month doesn't provide much benefit, but eight to 10 minutes, like in the morning, at a high frequency, which also kind of ramps you up and gets you more cognitive. The evening, it can almost put you to sleep with the right frequencies. So do it morning and evening, eight to 10 minutes. You can do it longer if you want. Do your red light at the same time so that you're not, you're stacking that stuff up. Every night, 20 minutes. Take your GHK. All my vibration plate. Take your GHK injection around the same time, which the red light then primes and you're gonna probably see an impact on your HRV. It all builds up. Ooh, I'm gonna try that. I've never taken it at night before. Yeah, try that around the red light. So I like red light. So it's interesting too, like red light taken during the middle of the day doesn't do much. Timing it with when we're supposed to be getting that in the morning or the evening ray light is really valuable. It's really interesting how the body doesn't respond to that. And if we get into the, it's really interesting, like the red light therapy, I was just reading this study where they exposed the tibia to just the tibia and then they drew the blood and found that CD34 plus was elevated 300%. The technical term for CD34 plus, stem cells. Stem cells, yeah. My daughter's had a few stem cell transplants. So 300% elevation in the time following that. Some people that last for like four to six days. Most people, the half life is six to eight hours. So that's the twice a day. Pimp that kind of a similar thing as well. So yeah, I sell a pimp from that same as everybody else's, but it's just, I try to make it accessible to my clients and anybody else that follows me, the things that I believe in. We shall link to that in the show notes as well. Emotional nervous system regulation work. So much. 10. 10? Doing work on yourself is so important and that can expand beyond that. I'm sure you picked up on a pretty big believer in introspective work, so yeah. I think everything comes downstream from that. And even how you're approaching peptides or anything that you're stacking, it's all gonna come downstream from how you see yourself and how you see the world and how you see yourself in the world. Yes, we've got the mechanical interface, the biomechanics, which was my past company. It's like getting out and having physical resilience in the world, the body. We've got cellular and then we've got our mind, right? So it's, those are the things and that's what I try to focus on with the work of the individuals that I work with. The enhanced executive is my coaching platform, right? So yeah, incredibly important and after it overlooked. Why are you in the state that you're in that you need the peptides? What are the behaviors that are holding you back from achieving the potential that you can have? Like we need to dig into that. Personal mastery, personal development is massive. Do you fundamentally believe that you have potential? Some people don't, right? Like that's one of the things that I've worked on is they don't even see that they have potential. I'm the person with that pain that's gonna be like this forever. I'm, you know, people define themselves. When you talk about victim mentality, they will, these things become the definition of some people. Yeah, self handicapping. I don't, I've got the opposite. I think I'm a little bit slob, can achieve anything. What about strength training? Ten. I think that's one of the, yeah, mind, body, cellular. Like we just hit all those. Those are key pillars. If you want to optimize yourself, you need to be thinking down that pathway. As we close the episode, is there one kind of key takeaway you want people to leave with in how they go from wherever they are, whether they've never started peptides or they're already kind of dabbling in peptides? What is the message you'd like to leave them with as they continue on the next phase of their journey? I think I'll leave them without the peptide side and we'll just hit some of the big things that don't cost you much anything, but hit one, those three pillars, right? Mind, cellular, you know, your body, strength train, right? The other basis of your health, get good sleep, prioritize sleep, touch the ground, get sunlight, eat whole foods that are in season. Oh, and strength train, sorry, yeah. Well, that's one of the other pillars, right? So those are basics. When you're attacking life as a whole, the six piece, understanding where you're at, precipice, the plunge, the pit, the pole, peak, and the plateau and what you need to do at each one of those. Peptides are an icing on top or, you know, if you've got some significant issues, reach out to me or my team, we can help with that. You know, they're amazing and they're a great adjunct, but let's not forget those big things in life. I love that. I got nothing to sell on those, so, but you know, like, it's just. Well, it's authentically, it's not about the sale, it's about helping people get better. I wouldn't ever have anyone on my show that was just about the sale. I had one person once and that episode never aired. I was like, oh, okay, this is not happening. Where is the best place for people to find you? ChrisDuffin.com. You can type in Chris Duffin pretty much on any social media. I've actually kind of gone away from social media. I'm going back into YouTube. You can also look for Matt. Usually my handle is matt underscore scientist underscore Duffin, which should be on Instagram and YouTube and everything else. And how do people find your peptide company? Just go to chrisduffin.com. Great. Click on peptides. It's a separate website because of the regulation. And when you go to Chris Duffin, it'll probably redirect you. So it should be enhancedexecutive.com and shop.enhancedexecutive.com for the peptide store. Amazing. Thank you so much for coming on the show. You're such a wealth of information. And I'm sure people grabbed out notebooks and pens and pencils for this. I was really looking forward to this after our podcast and it was a great conversation. Thank you so much. Thank you. And thank you for also just sharing so openly about your experience as a child. I'm a firm believer that many of the people who do go on to be successful in business and change the world typically do so out of prolonged periods of hardship as a child. So your testament to that. And make sure that if you have done break or you're a break practitioner that you do chime in in the comments about what you think his brain pattern type is because I'm gonna give him the link and we're gonna see if we're right. Until next time, everybody. We'll see you soon. Bye. Your brain isn't broken. It's running an old code. Break method is a system that maps your neurological patterns, decodes your emotional distortions and rewires your behavior fast. No talk therapy spiral, no getting stuck in your feelings, just logic-based rewiring in 20 weeks or less. Head to breakmethod.com and see what your brain is really up to.