Why Modern Healthcare Keeps You Sick with Dr. Josh Axe

Some of the majority of drugs that are being prescribed today and the conventional medical treatments are doing, at the very least 95% of it, should not be happening at all. People should be going into cellular functional medicine clinics and getting this type of care. I want to just make sure we really land on what you just said. What was that figure of what's actually prescribed that might not actually have been necessary? Oh, it's definitely at least 95%. And here's part of the reason why. Your brain is wired for deception. But here's the truth. Patterns can be broken. The code can be rewritten. Once you hear the truth, you can't go back. So the only question is, are you ready to listen? Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Decoded. As you can tell, I'm in a totally different studio. And no, I didn't change my studio. I'm actually sitting here with Dr. Josh Axe in his absolutely gorgeous studio in Franklin, Tennessee. This is like epic building. Oh, hey, thanks so much. It's gorgeous. Well, thanks for coming here to, you know, have a conversation with me. And it's an honor to be on your show. So thanks so much for having me. My audience, I'm sure, knows you well. I know I've known of you for such a long time, because I swear for probably a five-year period, if you googled any symptom and anything even quasi-natural, it went to your website. So obviously, you had all the secrets for a while. You were really so ahead of your game with how you even built the business. That was insane. Did you think the content creation strategy was going to work because it was so ahead of your time? Well, you know, I think that wasn't my first thought. My first thought was, I want to help sick people get well. And so, you know, actually, the way that Dr. Axe that comes started was, I would weekly write a newsletter physical, right, I guess I'd put on a computer and then print it out and I'd hand it out to all my patients. So one week it would be the five top tips to boost your immune system. And another week it would be five, you know, the top 10 foods for women to balance your hormones. And then I had a few patients saying, hey, can I get a, you know, is there a website? I want to share this, you know, with my family member. And I went to one of my staff members and her husband was a graphic designer and a web developer said, hey, would your husband make me a website? And then we can start posting these articles on there. And so that's really how it started. And then all of a sudden when I'm like, somebody says, you know, there's like a hundred thousand people visiting your site. I said, wow, that's amazing. And then I did become more strategic and really start thinking about, okay, what do I want to do? And there were a few other doctors in the space and I saw they were putting out a lot of great content and articles. And one was Andrew Weil. Another was Joe Mercola. There was David Williams. So there were, and I said, okay, well, I want to do that. And because I love educating, I love writing. And that's actually very similar to how I started my podcast. Originally, there was a radio show, Dave Ramsey. And one day I was driving, flipped on, I heard him answering questions about health, I'm sorry, about wealth. And I thought, I could do that for health. I could, you know, do that, I think. And that's kind of how the podcast and DrAxe.com and a lot of that started was just creating something custom for patients that then sort of also led to then creating it for kind of anybody who wanted to educate themselves. And you really were the go-to place for virtually any Googleable condition that I could. Oh yeah. Well, you know what happened though? So we were ranked the number one natural health website in the world, DrAxe.com was. And then, and we were even top 10 health websites, period. Like we grew more than the DrAxe show, all these other shows. And then Google made an update. It was called the Medic Update, where they penalized any site that had a natural health view. And then, so a lot of people don't know this about Google. Google is a tech and pharmaceutical company. So they own part of like Glasgow, Smith and Klein, you know, these major, major pharmaceuticals. So they started like, they went and had a whole algorithm to harm and put down. So we lost like 80% of our traffic. We're still putting out the same great content. It just shows up less on Google now, because if you're a pharmaceutical company, you don't want people going and buying, you know, supplements or reading about how to eat healthy. They want people to stay sick. So that's anyways, I know it's not the topic of the show, your show. My audience is conspiratorial. They're on this page. Well, that's not a conspiracy. That was something that happened at the end of 2018. So. Well, and I think, you know, big picture, conspiracy just means small group conspiring against the large masses. So technically, while there's like conspiracy theory, but it is an actual conspiracy, right? It is a specific group conspiring against people who were trying to get the word about natural alternative health, which it's antagonistic to our best interests as human beings. And I'm so grateful for all the hard work that you did during those years, because you really did move the needle significantly. Because I think before what you were doing, alternative natural health, people were like, all right hippies, like everybody get to the back of us. But you made it legitimized and you presented it in a really beautiful business like way. Yeah. You know, I've been practicing about 20 years now and it's next year will be 20 years. And when I first got into practice, I'll give you an example. When I first got into practice, I would teach workshops weekly on health. And 20 years ago, if I would ask people, how many of you know what an omega-3 fat is? Almost nobody knew what an omega-3 is. Now, now today, everybody knows omega-3 fats are good for you. Almost nobody knew what a probiotic was. They're like a pro by what? And then, and people used to come into my clinic. I was always the person, they'd seen 10 other doctors at least. And then they would come see me, right? And now it's so different today. Like I just opened a clinic here called the Longevity Clinic in Nashville. And we have people flying from all over. We've got really advanced therapies, blood work, testing, hyperbaric chambers, red light beds, IVs, ozone. And so just open that back up. But all that being said, now oftentimes people come first or maybe it's second, but people come so much earlier looking for natural health so much earlier compared to 20 years ago. So things have swung so far in the natural health direction, which I'm excited about because the principles, they save my mom's life, they've helped so many people. So it's exciting to see. I'm sure COVID also helped, right? I think COVID woke a lot of people up to the fact that maybe some of us who are naturally more conspiratorily oriented before COVID, we were already kind of on this natural health boat. I got on it when I was 23 trying to heal myself from lupus. And then COVID happens, right? And then all of a sudden, whether it's from the V injury or from almost dying from COVID, et cetera, then you kind of like start to wrap your head around like, oh, this is actually much more orchestrated. This is not actually naturally occurring, right? It kind of woke people up. And I think now, going back to this, like people didn't know what probiotics were. I feel like now everyone knows what acrimansia is. It's like just to look at the actual threshold of where we're at. Now people are like, oh, does your probiotic have acrimansia in it? It's so fun. Let me see. So acrimansia, I have to just say. Good to it. Please. Drop the knowledge. It's a great probiotic. It's typically used though because it's one of the probiotics that most supports the GLP1 receptors in the body. So there are studies around it for weight loss. I don't think it's the most important probiotic for most people. I think that probably some of the ones we're born with, like Bifidobacteria, some of the soil-based organisms that we're missing just because we're not eating locally as much anymore, probably more important. But I do like it. I think it's a good one. And then to your point on COVID, listen, I remember being in the midst of COVID and having like the heaviest, like I felt this heaviness on my spirit because I was really discouraged that so many people were believing the lie. And I felt, and then I was sitting there with a pastor and I was, we were talking about something, he's in a natural health. And the pastor said, you know what, Josh? He said, here's how you should think about this. He said, when we go through trials like we are right now, this is where your leadership gets to shine. Like he said, you know, I think about, you know, some of the greatest leaders ever, they would have only shown when they're going through something really difficult and challenging. And then later on, when the truth is revealed, or once they get through the obstacle, you know, it's all that being said, I am now looking back, I'm grateful for code from this standpoint. So many people woke up to the truth of how they had been lied to from the government, from the CDC, from numerous medical organizations, from medical doctors, from the news channels, and the media. And they're like, you know what, I need to start listening to more trustworthy people than these bigger organizations. And so I think it, to your point, here's the, if it wasn't for COVID, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. would not be the head of the HHS today. And he's making some really good strides and changes more than any other administration has ever made. But it's only because people, you know, and the people that woke up were the people that were naturally truth seekers. They said, you know what, I want to know what the truth is. And those people were greatly blessed by that, because now they started being able to find out who they can trust and who's lying to them. What you were talking about with the pastor, I always look at that as contrast. Sometimes when the darkness is so pervasive and so intense, it actually does this thing where it kind of, it highlights what's opposite of it. And I think that COVID was this great opportunity for contrast, because I think a lot of people, a lot of people, people gave their life to Christ, a lot of people woke up to, you know, maybe this is a big spiritual battle, and maybe it's not all as physical, tangible as we want to believe it is, because that makes us feel safe. Yeah, absolutely. On the topic of RFK, because I have some insider information, I have people that kind of work in legislation and things like that. It does seem like, to some extent, his hands are getting tied in certain places. And I wonder, where would you like to see more progress specifically? Yes, he's made a ton of progress. And I think structurally, the world in which we live, our political system, to me, the fact that you can lobby feels insane. Like, why do we have lobbying? What do you think is holding us back the most in our quest for free access to real health knowledge that is not twisted or contorted by some sort of big pharma, big agriculture? I think the thing that's holding us back, if we want to get to the deepest, realist senses, God's with a little G. Yeah. So, Mammon, so in the United States of America, the biggest God with a little G is economic progression. And that's true of Republicans. It's somewhat true. Now, Democrats, Democrats, it tends to be more of this sort of sexualization and media in terms of fame is probably, and sex are probably more on that. But for a lot of people today in the United States, it's economic progression. And so, what's happening right now, for instance, I've been very outspoken about glyphosate. Glyphosate is the main chemical in Roundup, and it's sprayed on all of our food. It's sprayed on golf courses. It's all over, and it's been linked to killing good bacteria in the gut. It's been linked to childhood disorders, toxicity of the liver, the kidneys, and the gut microbiome. And so, it's a chemical that is damaging and harming the health and causing numerous health issues of people cutting out immune disease, all kinds of problems. Now, Trump recently approved basically, like in the state of Tennessee, like we called our local senator in Arizona and Florida all over the country. People were saying, I don't want a bill to pass to where the pharmaceutical companies can be let off the hook. Basically, here's what the pharmaceutical companies were doing. They came out and they said, we don't want to be liable if somebody gets injured and have to pay out. So, we have all been calling and doing everything we can to block it. Well, Trump is basically doing some things to protect them and help them. These big agricultural companies bear specifically who bought out Monsanto. And so, and why would Trump do that? Is it because he doesn't want us to be healthy? No, he wants us to be healthy. Let's call it the third most important thing to him. It's important to him. And to RFK, it's number one. But to Trump, the most important thing is economic progression. And so, it's getting trumped right now because there's so much money in big agriculture, so much money. And so, now going to Robert F. Kennedy Jr., like I know, in being friends with, I know Robert F. Kennedy, I'm on a text thread with him and direct to him. I know Cali Means and who's like his right hand and Del Bigtree. I know a lot of these people. And so, he really wants to, here's part of the problem. He wants to do so much. He wants to legalize peptides. He wants to do this with, he wants to make stem cells more accessible in terms of being able to get those to everybody. Because that's the future of medicine and stem cells are so much opportunity there. He wants to focus on getting less sugar out there. So, he started with, hey, if we're going to do sugar, we need to make it more cane sugar rather than high fructose corn syrup. That's a minor step. It's good, but generally just eliminating and penalizing companies that do added sugar, unless it's raw honey or something, which I don't even think, I'm not actually sure if that is considered added sugar. It may or may not be, but basically that would be a big step. I know he does want to do at some point, which would really move the needle on obesity, on insulin resistance, on a number of issues. So, he has some really great initiatives and things he wants to do that I'm totally in alignment with. I mean, I'm very aligned with what he wants to do. But to your point, he has to juggle this thing where the greatest God in America today, little G, is man, it's economic progression. And so, if you're number two, sometimes you're going to get bumped. You can't serve two gods. That's right. That's right. Something's going to get. Here's the other thing. Trump's number one. So, I mean, Trump gets to make the biggest policy things. He's number whatever. Maybe he's number two in healthcare, or number one in healthcare, but two overall. And so, he just can't, sometimes we're going to lose. Most of that, we've been winning a lot though, but there have been a time or two here we've been losing because of that. Absolutely. And thank you for sharing that. Because I think a lot of times people get really emotionally reactive and they're like, he's against us. And they're not really understanding the bigger picture of what's going on. And bureaucracy and red tape are really a pain in the butt. Right? And I'm sure as you know, even as your company grows, it becomes things that were once easy and streamlined. Yes, you've got more access. There's more people. There's more people to help. But literally, the bigger something is, the more red tape and bureaucracy and sometimes the longer things take. That's right. Some of the biggest corporations I've worked with, trying to get an invoice paid, one of the hardest things in the world. And it's not that they don't want to pay it. It's, you're going to like 20 people to pay one thing. So, I think some of it is just functionally the system that we're in is riddled with bureaucracy and red tape and maybe backdoor handshakes and deals that we'll never really know about. Where would you like to see us progress forward in health? I know you mentioned briefly peptides and stem cells. Sure. Where would you, if you were in RFK's position and your hands were not tied, what would be the first things that you would prioritize looking forward at the next generation of kids that are going to become adults? Yeah. If you've been anywhere near the health longevity space lately, you've probably heard the word peptides thrown around everywhere. Some people are calling them the future of medicine. Others are warning you that the space is going to get messy fast. The reality is that both things are probably accurate to some extent. 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Listen, Robert of Kenyanya has done more in one year than the last 15 years for natural health, any administration ever. Okay, there's food dyes, there's changing of sugar, there's the snap benefits, trying to get people that are in need, actually get them real food and not candy bars in Coca-Cola. The vaccine changes. Are you kidding me? Some of the things against pharmaceuticals and being able to do less advertising, and I mean, he has made some major changes. The food pyramid, he redid it. So there's a lot of things he's done in one year, and he's doing a lot more. Here's where I'd like things to change. I want them to change more than anything philosophically and from a larger foundation of the way that healthcare works today. Because what's happened is we've taken a sick care system, and we try and use that as our primary healthcare system. And so it's like, we are number one in the world at emergency care. You break your leg, you're bleeding out in a car accident. I want to be in America. I want to get to an American hospital. We're here in Nashville. I want to go to Vanderbilt or St. Thomas are one of the great places we have here. However, you can never get healthy. You will never, ever get healthy in a sick care system. By going to a conventional medical doctor today, you will stay sick. They know one thing or maybe two. Here's a drug or here's a surgery. That's it. Or here's a label. Or here's a label and that's it. So that's what you get. Here's the way that our healthcare system should work is when you're sick, primary care should be, you're going to a doctor and I don't care if it's an MD or a DC or a DO, but a doctor who has training ideally be in school. Unfortunately, I mean, actually chiropriders, DCs, they get nutrition in school. MDs and DOs literally get zero hours right now. It's wild. Now, I think maybe University of Arizona, you can take electives. So there's a handful, but most of them you literally get zero hours as an MD. But what should happen is, hey, I've got diabetes. Okay, what happens? Or I have Hashimoto's. I go into my doctor and they run blood work, the right blood work, not the blood work that was done in the 1950s. The blood work, sorry, I have so many things. Like a general CBC and CMP. Okay. Well, okay. Listen, it has been official tonight. Maybe you know some of the cholesterol markers and if you've got major liver issues with ALT and some of those things, that's fine. But what I really want to know is what are your micronutrient deficiencies? What are your levels of vitamin D, B12, selenium, magnesium, zinc? I want to know all of these nutritional deficiencies. What's your omega-3-6 ratio so I know inflammation? How healthy are the mitochondria of your cells? Like blood work, you can get that type of blood work today. It's offered by really advanced physicians that practice functional or cellular medicine. 99% of doctors don't run those tests. But the first thing that should happen is you should go in and get a really good health evaluation doing the right type of testing. And then what should happen is doctors should prescribe and create a very comprehensive protocol for you. And this is what I do in the longevity clinic, my brick and mortar here in Nashville. It's what we do at the Health Institute, which is my virtual practice that I do with Dr. Will Cole. What we do is, as we say, okay, we have all this information now, I'm going to lay out exactly what you should eat on a daily basis. And it's personalized to you because somebody with diabetes actually should be a very different diet than somebody with cancer or autoimmune disease. And so I'm going to lay out, ideally, breakfast, lunch, dinner, all your foods, I'm going to recommend these top supplements for you, exactly what you should take based on your blood work and your history. And then I'm going to maybe even recommend it depends on the person. But first off, that alone would create radical healing for somebody. And then maybe there's certain exercise prescriptions, maybe there is certain treatments, hey, you've got an chronic infection like Lyme or mold, let's do some powerful ozone. Or, hey, you've just had a stroke, let's get you in a hyperbaric chamber. Or you've got mitochondrial dysfunction and hypothyroidism or chronic fatigue, let's get you in a red light bed, need a detox, let's do sauna. So that's what should be happening today is people are going into their doctor, that's happening. And let's say something crazy is, let me just say that's what should be happening. That's what should be happening. And then if you're an emergency, like I'm worried about somebody taking their own life, okay, and they're coming in and they had depression, we tried all these things, I'm referring them out. Now, maybe somebody, you know, I would say this of medications or maybe, hey, this person needs to get on an antibiotic because they have severe pneumonia. Okay. So there's a time and place for that. But that's less than 5% of the time. Some of the majority of drugs that are being prescribed today and the conventional medical treatments are doing, at least, at the very least 95% of it should not be happening at all. So people should be going into, you know, these cellular functional medicine clinics and getting this type of care. I want to just make sure we really land on what you just said. What was that figure of what's actually prescribed that might not actually have been necessary? It's definitely at least 95%. And here's part of the reason why. If I have somebody come in with, like I counseled a woman yesterday and she's 29 years old and she's dealing with depression, okay, I put together a protocol for her of saffron, of vitamin D, of zinc, of recommending exercise of foods rich, you know, eating more salmon, you know, we worked on her methylation patterns, like really laid it out for her. And so most of the time, or if you need, you've got inflammation, you don't need to take aspirin, you can take, again, high dose omega-3s and turmeric. So, but it's at least 95%. It's a big number. And immediately, as soon as you said that all I could think about is my dad who just like throws Z-Pak at it, I just need a Z-Pak, right? And I mean, most of my childhood, I'm about string 41, I think I was on antibiotics, most of my childhood, which is sad and surely why I've had some of the struggles that I've had as an adult. Well, I mean, you know, your chance of getting out of immune disease goes up dramatically. If you have gut microbiome issues, I mean, that's really where it starts, leaky gut from that. And then antibiotics, of course, the biggest root cause of it. When I was 19, I was in a relationship where a person ended up having bleeding ulcers. So, by proxy, because he changed his diet to gluten-free because it turned out he had celiac, I just kind of went gluten-free because that's what was in our house with all my roommates. And I lost 20 pounds of my anxiety attacks that I'd had all the time. Just suddenly we're like, huh, what a weird school. And that was great until I moved to Hawaii and I moved in with the Japanese family and I started eating rice all the time. Within one year, I was in a full blown, what I now know to be my first like real lupus flare, went to the doctor and of course I went, at that point, I was not really familiar with any sort of natural or complementary health, was in Hawaii, went to a doctor that was just like, here's what you've got, you're going to be on steroids for the rest of your life. And I was like, no, I'm not. There's no way I'm doing this. I found some hippie doctor in Hawaii that looked like a grateful dead bandmate. Like along, he's probably passed away now, Dr. Thall. And I remember he got there and he just laid it all out for me. It worked. I had to cleanse everything. At the time, I don't know that, I don't know your thoughts on chelation therapy. It actually took a lot out of me at that time. I think probably the way they would do it now would be more supportive. He had to say about chelation therapy. Chelation just simply means to bind to and pull out of, right? So chelation, it's impossible to say. It should be very personalized. But the people that do a lot of chelation, some of them tend to over-chelate people, which can be really hard on your gut and liver, but that's, you know, it's got to be done right. I think that probably happened to me because I got better overall, but there are some things that started to happen in the years after that. And I think likely they've certainly changed their protocols. This would have been early 2000s. But it definitely set me off on the path that I'm not on now. And I do think that for many people, a health crisis, although it feels awful in the moment, I think a lot of time, God uses health crises to actually catapult you to the next level. So I'm curious just looking at, you know, I've had so many, I'm sure, thousands of patients. How often is it that you have kind of seen a health crisis actually transform somebody's life for the better overall? Well, you know, I would say this anytime you're in a crisis, I think part of when you look at the Asian root of the word, part of the half of the word's opportunity. And so, you know, I think I think more than 50% of the majority of people will use tend to use a crisis in order to support themselves or to heal. You know, when you're at the bottom, I think that finally forces you to say, or when you have so much pain, you know, it kind of forces you to change. And so I think a lot of people use it for good. You know, sometimes it takes a little while to figure out with certain people what's going on. Or I mean, this happens constantly. People go into their doctors and like they'll get just the regular blood work and do a history. And they're like, hey, we ran these, you know, whatever, 30 markers that again are from the Stone Age. And everything's fine. Everything looks fine. And then people know like, I'm not fine. Something is, something's not right here. And that's where we just need to go and search and do the right markers. And you need to see a doctor who's understood and dealt with complex cases in order to help you get well. But I think overall, most people will use a crisis in order to improve. Again, if you have enough pain, you're going to take action to try and try and try and make a change. I know when I was just doing your podcast, this came up around health habits and being able to follow through on things. And it made me think immediately, one of the things that we do with brain pattern mapping as a technology platform is it does predict these patterns of thought, behavior and decision making. And with that, it also predicts where there's likely to be resistance or where someone's going to be like, yeah, Dr. Axe, I'm going to do that. And then you come back in six weeks, you retest them and you're like, pretty sure this person's lying to me. I don't think they've actually done the protocol of ask them to do. And it just immediately made me think something like this, obviously, is it would be a profoundly helpful tool. How right now do you try to anticipate whether somebody is going to adhere or not? Do you have a tool like that? Yeah. Well, one of the things that I loved about when you were on my podcast is we talked about getting to the root causes and you talked about it starts with perception. Absolutely. And it's the same. It's the same medical practice I noticed very early on if somebody would typically see good results or have a harder time. And here's an example. I used to, now we even get more, we get even more detailed, but I used to have people fill out like a three day diet diary with their eating on a daily basis. And then we would run blood work and have them come back in a week. And then we would start going over all the bigger changes. But for that week, I knew I wouldn't at least start doing something. So I would typically just start with breakfast. And I would say, Hey, what are you eating for breakfast right now? And, you know, it's a bagel and cream cheese or special K cereal with skim out. It's something like that. And I would say oftentimes, Hey, here's a couple issues. I want you to do scrambled eggs and olive oil with an apple or berries or I'm gonna have you do the superfood smoothie with, you know, coconut milk and berries and protein and collagen or something like that. Okay. So, and I would get one of two reactions. One was one group was like, Oh, no, like, I can't have this. I love this. Oh, no, he's saying I can't. And, and then the other group was that sounds great. That sounds great. And of course, we know the one that sounds great. I'm going to do that. That didn't seem that hard. They would go and see the good results. It was this perception of somebody's taking something from me, you know, and this is going to be hard and difficult. Those were the two things that I think that people were perceiving is that I'm having to get rid of something that I love. And it's going to be really hard versus another one was, Oh, he's basically telling me I can have a strawberry milkshake for breakfast. Okay, that's not hard. That's great. Yeah, that's great. Hey, I can do this. I'm going to see good results here. I mean, it's, you know, so your perception about the results you're going to see thinking the longest. The other thing is, like, if I have people ask me all the time, how long is it going to take me to heal? It's a hard question to answer. Very hard. Some of it is how diligent are you going to be with transforming your body and mind, you know, lowering the stress and diligent and taking the supplements and following the eating plan and walking outside more, you know, doing those things. So, so it depends. But for some people, three months seems like an eternity, like, Oh, it's going to take three months. And part of me is like, you've been sick for 30 years, you know, but three months, that's not that. But some people feel like it's a really long time. And others are like, Well, 90 days, I can see that improvement. That's no time at all. So, so, so much of this is perception. Yeah, I was going to say, time is just all perception, right? Even if you think about one year, little kid, are we there yet? Are we there yet? And your parents are like, Do not ask me one more time. Right. And now I feel like I'll be like, Oh, I got to text that person back. And then three months later, I text them back. And they're like, Hello, like, that was a long response time. But in my mind, that three months went by like that. That was like one trip ago, I just got back. Right. Back for three months. Exactly. So, yeah, the perception thing is interesting. I wonder, because I know we talked a lot on your podcast about self deception. I wonder about the people who initially, right? Because I know that behavior will transition over time. Someone's resounding yes, can slowly accidentally become a no. So I wonder how often people might have the immediate resounding yes, I can do that, and then might drop off. Okay. Yeah, there's no doubt I've seen a pattern in the people that are hyper enthusiastic, tend to crash and burn a little bit more versus somebody who's very thoughtful about, Okay, this means this, this means this. Yeah, I can do that. Okay. Yeah. You know, where it's more nonchalant, like I think the bigger the thing, like the bigger change you perceive it is. Now, we want the biggest change possible, typically, because most people are just, and here's the crazy part, a lot of people, to them, they're doing the exact right thing. Here's a big, biggest example. I take care of a lot of women, and a lot of women come in telling me I eat healthy. And then I look at what they're eating. And even some people listening right now, most of you, this is going to surprise you. And they're eating a lot of salads, and a lot of smoothies, or not eating very much. And that seems healthy. But a lot of women have autoimmune disease and GI issues. A lot of them have thyroid issues and hormone issues. And eating foods that are cooling, like a cold smoothie, like a cold berry smoothie, or eating a salad, which again, is cooling, it's actually cooling to your digestive system. And it's raw, it's hard to digest. It's actually not healthy at all. Most people are much better off doing a lot of soups and herbal teas than they are salads, and raw smoothies, and raw, I mean, that sort of thing. So anyways, that being said, yeah, and my big belief too is everything should be personalized for the individual. You talked about rice earlier. Most people actually, as a grain, rice is typically the least allergenic of all grains. And in Japan, people are eating rice like crazy. And they have no, okinawa, they eat a lot of rice, rice and raw fish. And they're very lean. And they have very, very little intolerances there. But for you, highly, highly sensitive. So this is also why it's so important to work with a doctor that can help work and find what's your kryptonite. Because oftentimes there's a health, it could be broccoli. You think broccoli has got to be the healthiest food in the world. But for some people, it's terrible. So it's just so much as person dependent. I had a client a long time ago with Crohn's. This was like way back in the very early part of my career when I was seeing a lot of private clients in Malibu. And she had Crohn's and she just, I've been working for at this point for maybe six months. And this one day she comes to me crying. She's like, I just don't understand. I eat so healthy. Why this was kind of like railing at God. Like why? And I remembered just having this moment of, you know, I smell broccoli every time I come into your house. She's like, yeah, every night I, I, I in the oven do broccoli and cauliflower with like light olive oil and salt. And it was just, it was a God thing where I just, for no other reason other than beep, boop, like broccoli. I was like, why don't you try cutting out broccoli for a week? She's like, why would it, but broccoli is so healthy. And I'm like, well, I know with my autoimmune disease, when it comes to some of the Brassica family, I don't do well with the things that have that sort of sulfuric smell. So why don't you give it a try? And in a week she was like, oh my God, this is genius. So what is it about some of the, that family of vegetables that can impact? I'm assuming, I don't know too much about Crohn specifically, but it seems inflammatory. Is it an inflammatory disease? Well, do you know it's less so than other things like nightshades tend to be a bigger issue if somebody's major, you know, majorly sensitive in an inflammatory state. But, but, but there are these things called goitrogens in, especially if they're raw or not really well cooked, that actually affect the thyroid and can cause more autoimmune like reactions actually. So, so, so those can be in there for sure. But that's kind of what it is, is those goitrogens in there that affect the body. But again, it's different for everybody. That's the whole thing. I mean, that's why again, you know, one of the things we talked about, and this is important in health, it's, it's, this is important life principle. If you want to be the best you can be in any area, you need to develop a high level of self-awareness and body awareness in that area. So it's like, okay, if I want to have good relationships, I need to become highly aware of my thoughts and my emotions and even be able to look at what's going on to a degree emotionally and the other person to see how I can best serve them and love them and understand, hey, that person's hurt. That's why they said that to me and then ask, rather than me lashing out, hey, is everything okay? What's going on with you? You seem upset. You seem more on edge to, you know. So, so, but the same thing in our physical health. Hey, I ate this, my nose started running a little bit. Oh, I started getting a little bit of redness on my skin. My joints feel really bad today. That's weird. I didn't even do anything strenuous with my joints yesterday. So being able to listen to your body and it's so hard today because our mind is so full and we're so busy. But if you can go through a process, I mean, the most practical thing most people do today is like an elimination diet, right? And there's great value there. And then there are some food sensitivity tests though, if you're only doing one antibody like IgG or IgE for a food allergy, it tends to be, there's a lot of false positives. So that's a major challenge. But I do think for some people, you can do a food sensitivity test. It can tell you the foods and then you can say, you know what, I'm not certain these foods are affecting me this way, but I'm going to eat them. And now I'm going to be at least more aware that they definitely could be because there are some positives on here. I just know there are going to be some false positives. So there is benefit in food sensitivity testing, but it has to be done in combination with you being highly aware or listening to your body to really uncover, Hey, this is what I'm not reacting well to. Is there a certain food sensitivity test that you typically recommend over others? Yeah, there is one that's fantastic. It's out of, they actually changed their name. I want to call it's called like precision diagnostics. They're out of Atlanta, Dr. Gesagoli. And what they do is so we have different antibodies in our body, right? So IGG is actually typically where we come up with a food allergy. IGG tends to be food sensitivity, but he put together a test that also looks at IGA, IGM looks at all the antibodies and shows every food you may have an antibody to. So if you have a food, for instance, where it's like every antibody is being released when you have to your point broccoli, there's a, there's a much greater probability then that that is one of the foods you're sensitive to. So because it's so broad in what it's looking at, it's the most comprehensive food sensitivity test. That's probably the, the one that I, if somebody's doing food sensitivity, now listen, I'll say this, food sensitivity tests are definitely not the number one test on my list. I tend to really prefer like an intracellular nutrient test to see not because here's something people don't realize today. When you're doing a blood test, it's showing what's available in your blood. It's not showing what your body can actually use. Because let's say you've got magnesium, it's in your blood and you first off, they don't even test for magnesium in your blood. Most people don't. But let's say you go to functional medicine doctor and actually testing for that. That's not the greatest level of testing because you really want to know what's in your cell. Because then that's what your mitochondria is going to use to produce energy or your nucleus to turn on and off certain epigenetic switches. So, so you really want to be able to do that. So my favorite tests tend to be micronutrient tests that are looking at intracellular nutrients. I really like tests that are even looking at epigenetics like of course MTHFR. But there's epigenetic tests go way beyond MTHFR, which is how well you're methylating. And this is really, and so if you're not methylating properly, you want to take methylated vitamins and there's like methylfolate, which can support your body detoxifying better or in creating certain other nutrients. But I like epigenetics because for instance, there are epigenetic tests you can look at to see, hey, can you detox mold? Like 24% of people have a genetic variant where they do not detox mold well. So they could walk in a moldy building and they're like, or have dust or something else. And they're like, it just wrecks them. And for another person, they're like, so what? You know, I don't feel a thing. So there's a lot. There's, there's, there's a genetic variant where you can't convert the omega threes and flax and walnuts over to EPA DHA, which is the type that your body uses, which is in salmon. But some people could do a bunch of flax oil and it converts well and so that's a great thing for them to reduce inflammation. So, so, so I'm a big believer in personalized medicine. And if I can look at the micronutrient panel, and in also looking at organ function, and I can look at these genetic variants, I can really put together a really precise personalized nutrition plan, which is what we do in my clinic, but we can put together something really precise, also hormone panel. That's something else I think for women in particular. And knowing a men's free testosterone, that's important too. But that I, that I really like. And then after that, I probably like a GI map the most, seeing what's going on in your gut microbiome. And those are the ones that run the most. And then after that very patient dependent, I might do a food sensitivity, I might do a heavy metal test. And there's a bunch of others. But those are the most common tests I run. Let me ask you a question. 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Renew your mind can be accessed at stan.store. On this podcast, we've spent a lot of time talking about peptides. We've spent a lot of time talking about MCAS. And I'm curious both your thoughts on MCAS, but I think even more so than just generally speaking, I'm wondering if you ever see mental health symptoms or what appear to be mental health symptoms seem to overlap with MCAS or whether diagnosed or symptoms that seem to match up with MCAS. Okay. And you're talking about histamine. You're talking about mast cells. Yeah. I just wanted to make sure because so I'm seeing more and more patients. I mean, by the way, I hardly ever saw anybody with histamine issues 20 years ago, almost never. I'm the last five years. I've seen way, way more people with mast cell and histamine issues. Now, let me tell you what I think the root is for most people. I think it's stress because what happens is when you get really stressed out, you start to lower in our cells, we all have mitochondria. These are our body's batteries, okay, that energize our whole body, give us cellular energy. When cortisol goes up, it's basically the biggest thing that's starting to deplete your battery, okay. That starts to get low. What happens then too is certain organ systems start to not be able to function at the level they should. And one of those areas is the digestive system. And so I think the biggest cause today right now, and there's others. So I don't want to say this is the only one, but I think SIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, is the single biggest factor today causing issues with mast cell proliferation and with histamine intolerance. And so there's a few things. One, reduce stress, especially if you're stressed while eating. If you are working over lunch break, like you're eating while on the computer, while doing whatever, it's almost like this. So I used to try a lot of triathlons. I've ran a lot of five, 10Ks, five Ks. If anyone here has ever done any sort of, let me just say, any type of workout, you can't eat a cheeseburger in the middle of the workout. Why is that? Well, it's because your brain, when you're working out, you're a little bit more in fight or flight, which is okay, because there's all these benefits from it. It's sending blood to your brain to be more alert and your extremities so you can fight or run or use your muscles. But your body sends all the blood externally. But when the blood leaves goes external, well, now you have less blood in oxygen internally, so you can't digest as well. Those organ systems are kind of taking a back seat for a time. Well, if you're in fight or flight, which is working, if you're in that state while trying to eat, you don't fully digest everything. And what happens is your body then starts to have certain types of bacteria start to creep up. It's small intestinal bacteria, all of your bacteria for the most part should be in your colon, your large intestine. It starts to creep up into the small intestine. And like H. pylori starts to creep up there. And that, and now you can't digest your food properly. But that's, and then you start getting histamine because fermentation is happening. So you're having all of this reaction happening. And so then certain foods you can't digest, well, like vinegar, citrus fruits, strawberries, leftovers, that's a big one. Like your body just starts reacting, overreacting to everything. But the biggest thing there is we really have to get stressed down. You should calmly do everything we can to support that upper GI, walking around meals, doing a licorice root and ginger herbal tea, eating smaller meals, not overeating. And when you're doing lunch or eating a meal, you're like, you're looking outside, you're taking your time, you're relaxing, you're just, you're in a more of a serene, peaceful state. That is the biggest cure for histamine intolerance today. Now there are other supplements. Once the bacteria starts coming up, like you can take capric, like it's natural antibiotics into microbial. It's caprylic acid is one of my favorites. You know, grape seed extract, berberine is actually really good for this. And so, you know, putting together a cocktail like that and then doing more soil, you don't want to do regular probiotics when you're having mast cell and histamine issues. You want to do soil-based organisms only because they don't live in your gut. They actually act like bulldozers and help clear out bad bacteria out of your gut. Do you have a good source for that? Yeah. I mean, I, actually, let me, I don't want to say brain, what I want to say is the species. You want to look for bacillus subtilis, bacillus coagulans, bacillus clausii. It's the bacillus species. Okay. So, bacillus is the species that you would look for of, or the straightest. And that would somehow control what's over going in the stem. Yeah, because different microbes do different things. So we talked about acromancia. That's more of one that may support metabolic health. Okay. And then you've got, you know, bifidobacterium and things like that that might be more like immune health or acidophilus digestive health. And then you've got the soil-based and they're the probiotics that have the most antibiotic properties to where they help clear out yeast and candinase pylori out of your system and help remove things that are, you know, the bad bacteria you don't want there is more of their, their, their, how they work. When it comes to the connection between gut and brain, obviously, I think at this point, like we were talking about earlier on the show, people's threshold of understanding has changed, right? Like people know more about that. I think that's very common. But I'm still interested how much overlap you see where gut issues or something that is more physical tends to kick off symptoms that appear to be psychological when they, in fact, might not actually be originating from a psychological means. Well, I mean, it's, it's, it's really common. I mean, really common. I mean, there's no doubt. I mean, like here's a few examples I want to give. You know how many women struggle with seasonal affect, men and women, seasonal affective mood disorder, right? It's very common. It's, it's, it's, it's part of that is a vitamin D deficiency. Okay. And so, so that's super common. You know, I was just talking to my sister-in-law and she just had a baby about 10 days ago. And I'm really encouraging, I've said, we got to get you on a diet right now to build your blood because women don't realize fully. I don't think we've had the conversation enough on how much blood you lose. I mean, the placenta is so much blood and breast milk in part what you're creating there, it's a lot of the same constituents that is a blood. So you are losing. So women that deal with postpartum depression, I think the single biggest reason why now listen, I think there's, it's, it's, maybe it's also a natural something that, that may naturally be there for other reasons. But I do think the biggest reason is they have a blood deficiency. And so they feel like they're, they're, they're, they're, they're mildly anemic. So when you're anemic, you feel tired, exhausted, unmotivated, just like in, in that's been linked to their studies, depression. And so we want to build the blood. We want to do lots of, like lots of soups, lots of red meat, maybe even an iron supplement that's easier to digest, dung, huai, and herb, like that, lots of cinnamon and ginger. We really want to do every, beats, like we really want to build the blood. And, but that's connected to depression. And then, I mean, there are studies showing certain B vitamins. We talked about D, Omega 3 fatty acid deficiency. Zinc is a new one we've seen in recent clinical studies and asked to do with, zinc is the mineral that repairs your gut when there's damage there. It's necessary. And so I see it very frequently. Now, I also want to say this though, on occasion, I've seen people who think, well, the sole reason I'm dealing with depression is because of a nutritional issue. It's almost always a combination of yes, your nutrition can get better, but also, who do you believe God says you are? You know, how's your relationship with the divine? You know, do you have a purpose in life? I mean, there's a study that came out said only 25% of people are certain on their purpose. So I think issues tied to identity and purpose and our relationships, you know, all of those things, even more so, impact, depression, and anxiety. But I do think nutrition is a big player. We've gotten ourselves into a place where it seems like everything's very AI centric. So I think sometimes when people think about the future and technology, everything's AI, but I think there's so many other ways that we are going to expand technologically beyond just simply AI. So I'm wondering what you think the future of medicine looks like, you know, including AI, but even beyond, because I think there's a lot beyond it as well. Sure. Well, one, I think testing is going to get better. Now, some of that is due to AI, but some of it's just due to other technological advances. So let me give you an example of this. Like I wear an aura ring and I, and there's other great, you know, things that you can do to test things, but I really like it because I like static tests, but I also really like dynamic tests that are telling me every day, what's my sleep score? What's my HRV, which is heart rate variability, which is actually a fairly good longevity marker. What's my resting heart rate? You know, what are my stress levels? All that sort of stuff. So, so it's nice being able to, and I also like continuous glucose monitors, right? Where you put that on and it's telling you what your blood sugar is. That's greatly valuable. So being able to interpret those patterns over time and those tech devices, I've seen such great benefits of that for, for, for people. Eventually, we're going to get to the point where I talked about a GI map earlier. So if people don't know what a GI map is, it's where we do a stool test. And then we go and look for what are the microbes like bacteria and yeast and fungi and even parasites. We look, what's in your stool? Okay. To see the health of your gut microbiome. Now, that test is a little inconvenient because you know, all this stuff you have to do, but it's super beneficial. And one day, and same thing, like you go and have to give a certain volume of blood, we're going to get better and better at, let's, this is just theoretical. I just thought of this like literally the other day, what if one day, every time you use the, the toilet, you get a urinal analysis and a stool analysis and it pops up on a screen in front of you, here's what your microbiome has in it today. Here's what you excreted for this, increase your potassium intake, go and take bacillus subtilis or acromitia or whatever. That's going to, that's going to be pretty cool. Or how about one day, I'm rather than doing a full blood draw, you kind of have a micro blood spot from whatever that thing is very similar to like a continuous blood glucose monitor. And on your phone every day, it's telling you, here's your level of vitamin C. Here's your levels of selenium. Okay. You need to increase it this much and do it three times a day. And here's the ideal foods to do so. So, so I am incredibly excited about how tracking certain metrics are going to become real time. And you'll know exactly what you should eat, what you should do, how your body's reacting in more of a dynamic basis. So, I think that's the future. I think we're going to see much, much more of that. And I also think like some of the more expensive devices, I think are going to be almost everyday things in people's homes. I think eventually, hyperbaric chambers are incredibly beneficial. Infrared sannas are incredibly beneficial. I think we're going to see a lot more people have those in their house in the future. Yeah. I mean, I think those are a few of the things. You brought up stem cells a while ago and my oldest daughter has cerebral palsy and we've done multiple stem cell transplants. Yeah. I'm curious to know what your take is on stem cells and where you think or hope stem cells will go in the United States. Because I know that that's one of the things you mentioned RFK was trying to push forward. Yeah. So, right now what the laws are is you can pull your own bone marrow, which is where your stem cells are. The thing I don't love about that, I just want to say, listen, the negative of that is you're pulling it from yourself and your bone marrow is also creates immune cells, which is, which, so your immune system gets down for a little bit and your blood volume gets down a little bit. So there are mild side effects. Now, listen, if you have tore your ACL or you've got major arthritis and it's keeping you from being active, I think pulling your own bone marrow is fine because you're going to be able to be so much more active and out of pain. So then cortisol is going to drop. So the benefits make sense. Now, today, if you go to certain other countries and here we're starting to get access to this, you can, like a woman can give birth and donate or get paid for her giving the umbilical cord that what we made my discard at times, the umbilical cord, it's incredibly high in stem cells. Okay. So you can take umbilical cord tissue, pull stem cells from it. And what stem cells are is they are cells that can become anything. So if you take those cells and inject them in your knee and you have a partially torn meniscus, it can actually go and become that tissue that's missing and fully heal or in most cases, partially heal the meniscus or an injury you might have and help it restore functions because one umbilical sort of cells, they're younger cells or those of an infant. And so they're ready to grow, develop, become anything. And so now if you go to other countries, like Europe, Germany, Switzerland, places in South America and Mexico, they can culture cells. And that's where you take these umbilical cord cells and you culture them, you might get 10 to 100 times the amount. So you're just getting a much higher dose in the body. And that's what's happening in other countries today. We can't do that yet in America, actually Florida and Utah, I think just past laws where maybe they can now legally do that there. I think it's still slightly gray, but they have more rights in Florida and Utah than any other states to be able to use stem cells in that way. But stem cells are incredibly powerful. That's the best stem cells right now. We're going to see in the future, let me say this, there's actually a new type of stem cells out as well now called mu cells, which those can bypass the lung, which is where a lot of them get caught up and go to more directly to organs. So people should keep their eyes out for those. But I think in the future, we're going to see stem cells like, here's what's happening now. If you go and get a stem cell IV and you have type one diabetes in many cases, you can almost completely reverse those symptoms for a few months. But then because they become those those umpancreatic or those beta cells that are damaged. Okay. So some of those can regenerate. But oftentimes there's something living in your, you're still having an autoimmune response or still maybe there's a dormant virus that's still creating some of that what caused type one diabetes in the first place. And so most, everyone I know of then over time, they'll eventually develop those same type one diabetes. But many of them, their studies on this have been able to go without the drugs for maybe a full month or maybe longer. Maybe we can get to the point with stem cells where if it's done enough times and we find also continue to how to get more of the root of the issue where some of these autoimmune diseases can be completely reversed. Like I've sent people there with Crohn's colitis and IBD. And for some of them, they've completely reversed it because it's a little bit more cut and dry how to cure that versus a type one diabetes or certain types of these autoimmune responses. But I think the future is going to be we're going to see even greater reversal of autoimmune diseases and people will be able to get it more on a regular basis because because this type of stem cell, it's expensive, right? So it might be minimum $5,000 of treatment, but if you're getting the really good ones in certain areas, it might be $25,000. I mean, so it's an expensive treatment. There's been 10 to 15K every time. Most of it, on average, it's about 12 to 15. But as more people do it and as we progress technologically, the price will drop and we'll continue to learn how to use them even better. Is Wharton's jelly- It's the same, right? It's the same, right? Well, yeah, yeah. Similar because I feel like now I'm seeing that offered more in the United States, but it was not as anywhere near as potent because we did one on Panama. It's not the same. Again, the umbilical cord is superior to Wharton's jelly. What is Wharton's jelly? Wharton's jelly is the soft gelatinous connective tissue inside the umbilical cord and some around the placenta. So when someone says umbilical cord stem cells, I know you can get those from Wharton's jelly, but can you also get them from other tissues within the cord? See, I think what it is, I think Wharton's jelly is higher in like hyaluronic acid, all the glucosamino glycans. You know the umbilical cord blood that my daughter had was CD34 and mesenchymal cells? Yeah, they're mesenchymal. Yeah. There's less of them. Cord lining the epithelium mesenchymal there. Yeah, yeah. So Wharton's jelly, yeah, so Wharton's jelly, it's the gel inside of the umbilical cord. And so there's a greater volume of it and it's also high in things like glucosamino glycans, like glucosamine and chondroitin and hyaluronic acid, which is amazing for joints. But oftentimes what you want to be able to do is not just do the Wharton's jelly, you want to get a more concentrated dose of the mesenchymal stem cells, which you can get some from Wharton's jelly, but also often it's taken from blood of umbilical cord. It can be taken some from the epithelial lining of the umbilical cord. But what I've seen is from a marketing, from a product standpoint, if somebody's marketing more of the Wharton's jelly, it tends to be, it's great, but it's typically not as potent as when you're doing more of the other tissues from the umbilical cord. And there are other people that are greater experts in this. I've had Dr. Rafael Gonzalez. He runs a clinic out of Cancun in a Cabo called ReHealth. I think it's probably the best stem cell clinic in the world. And like I've been there, friends of mine, Gary Brecca, all kinds of just, you know, um, you know, physicians, that's where they go to get a lot of their stem cells done. But um, yeah, yeah. When we took my daughter for the first time, she was 15 months old, she couldn't open up her hands. Her legs were so spastic that she couldn't bend them at the end of the car seat, was still not sitting, couldn't stand none of that. And it was a four day treatment on day four. She was sitting on my bed by herself with her hands open and by the plane ride back through Dallas, she was pulling up on my luggage to stand. It's unbelievable. So when I had, I had a spinal infection and didn't walk for a year. And um, and I, and a big reason why I was able to fully heal, I mean, I'm literally a hundred percent better than I was, which is crazy to say, because I had a doctor tell me, you're likely going to be permanently disabled because this infection was in my L5, L4, L5 disc and spreading my bone around the spinal cord. It was really severe. And um, and I went and got stem cell done and um, and literally about two or three days later, I'm like, my joints don't hurt. I mean, like, because my, I was in bed for a year, my whole body hurt, not just my back, everything was so stiff. I couldn't even extend my legs because I was in bed so long. And to your point, like all of a sudden able to, able to move. And the great thing is, like, you will notice the biggest improvements week one, and then they'll taper off a bit, but then you'll get another little jump forward typically in three months in certain areas, especially if they're locally injected. So um, there, there's no, if you want something that's going to be truly transformational, there's nothing as strong as stem cells. I mean, I mean, there's nothing as strong. I'm a big fan of peptides. I use peptides. Those can actually help amplify. So when I got my treatment, I did a combination called clow and it was like BPC157, TB 500 and GHKCU and doing that with stem cell together. If somebody's ever had a joint injury or pain or anything like that, or even autoimmune disease, it is, I mean, incredibly, it's the most incredibly healing combo there is. Well, I'm definitely going to try to get that recommendation from you for my daughter. And we're definitely on the peptide train with her because she's old enough now, but it's, it's helping for sure. I want to leave the audience with one question because I know faith is important to you. Faith is important to me. When you look at the role, faith and even just belief in a higher power plays in the healing experience. What are the best tips you can give somebody if maybe they're not yet accessing their faith, they don't believe in their currently sick. How, how can you use one to support your healing? Yeah. Well, you know, when, when I was in the need of healing miracle, when my mom had cancer, and by the way, my mom healed from cancer completely naturally, no chemotherapy, no radiation. Her and I would both attest to we feel like the biggest thing that allowed her to heal was prayer. When I think about my own miracle I saw in my body going from being told, you're going to have chronic pain the rest of your life, you're going to be permanently disabled. My number one remedy was prayer. When you read generally, what caused a miracle in someone's life? What was the one common ingredient? I bet above 90% of the time that common ingredient is it was prayer. It was prayer and prayer is a two-way communication between you and God and that communication with you can be a verbal communication, but from him it tends to come like this. You're a conscious, a conscious voice, like, like all of a sudden you've got peace or I've got you or I have a sense that this person talking to, I need to ask this certain question or looking out for signs of wonders. So when I had my back issue, I mean, you know, this is such a mental battle more than anything, and I kept having this thing creep in my head like, will I ever fully heal? Maybe I'll get 50% better, but will I ever get back to where I was? And that was so hard because I was like, you know, I'm teaching everybody about health. I'm like working out every day. I'm throwing my two-year-old daughter up in the air in the pool. I'm cycling, running. I'm doing all the stuff, and then I was in bed and told, you'll never do that stuff again. And so I was praying and I'm like, Lord, I just, you know, help me fully believe that I will get back to 100% because that's what I want to believe. And there were three times when I was at my lowest. One of the time I was on my back in a ambulance and I looked up and there's a little window in the top of the van and I saw a rainbow. And then there are two other times where I saw rainbows. And to me, that was God was saying, hey, this is a sign of a promise. You're going to be okay. I'm going to get you through this. You know, so I think that for people who are dealing with an issue and they're wondering, hey, what role does faith play? It plays the biggest role. I mean, even to go to more of the scientific standpoint around neuroplasticity, I mean, your beliefs around things make a major difference. Think about the placebo effect. I mean, you know, it originally started, I believe it was World War I and you had these fallen soldiers in terrible pain. They ran out of morphine. These are soldiers that lost their leg and the doctor tells the nurse, we got to give them something. So she just starts filling up syringes with salt water, sugar water, salt solution. That's all it was. Injecting it to them and 40% of them were like, hey, I saw pain relief like I was getting morphine. So somebody's body without having anything was creating chemicals as strong as morphine. So your body will actually, based on your belief, will start moving towards something. But in addition, that I also do believe we have a God who intervenes for us and works things out for our good and that prayer matters. And there are studies showing you have a greater healing outcome with prayer. So I think there's more of that natural element that we can understand of these chemicals in our brain. But I also believe there is a supernatural element. I would say this, it's not going to hurt. It's not going to hurt. If I was at my lowest and I had a major health issue and someone said, can I pray for you? And whether I believe in God or not, I'd be like, you know what, I want to do everything I can. And then here's the thing beyond the lookout though, because if somebody prays for you or you pray and you're healed, you know, there should be, that should be an element of proof that you know what, God is real. He's working for my good. He wants to have a relationship with me. And so, you know, I think faith is the single most important thing of healing. I think diet's very important. I think exercise is important, but I think that our faith and our belief is the single greatest factor in us in us healing. I love that. Couldn't agree more. What is the best way for my audience to follow along with your work and just tap into all the amazing things you've got going on? Yeah. If anybody has a health problem and they do want to see myself or Dr. Will Cole or our practitioners we've trained, I have a online clinic called the Health Institute. They could visit there. We have again, the longevity clinic. That's where people come in person though. This is the other one, the health institute. We do everything virtual. And then I would say my podcast, the Dr. Josh Axe show, and then just check me out on Instagram, you know, follow on there. And then I put out a lot of content, you know, on YouTube. So, somebody could search Dr. Josh Axe, Hypothyroidism or depression or peptides. And I've, you know, done a lot of sort of more in-depth, you know, shows on those types of things as well. So, they could find on there. But, because you, thanks so much for having me. Like it was a rare blessing having you or when it was a blessing you coming on my show. That was fun. But I love what you do and getting the root of issues of especially the mind. And so, thanks so much for having me. Thank you. It's been great to spend two hours with you. Guys, thanks for tuning into this episode. I will see you next week. Your brain isn't broken. It's running an old code. Break method is a system that maps your neurological patterns, decodes your emotional distortions and rewires your behavior fast. No talk therapy spiral, no getting stuck in your feelings. Just logic-based rewiring in 20 weeks or less. Head to BreakMethod.com and see what your brain is really up to.