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Find your local station for the Heard at foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hour two. We are live in Chicago. It is the herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. You know, a lot of times I've said this over and over and over ad nauseum for years. Do not chase money. Chase good management. There's a sea of money out there. If you're talented, there's a sea of money. There's not. There's a finite number of really good, in my case, broadcasting executives. There's a million broadcasting companies and very few that are really, really well run. And so I look at people often in my space and just say, let me see your career decisions. Why did you just go there? Just about money, short-term money? What about your long-term career aspirations? What about good management and marketing? And so it was lost in the Super Bowl week that Jonathan Kaminga and the Warriors, and I've never been a huge Kaminga guy. It kind of melted down. It got kind of ugly. And, you know, each side he said, they said, you know, whatever. Each kind of covering their tracks in the divorce. Here was Steve Kerr on the Kaminga move, the Kaminga trade. Steve Kerr. J.K. is a really good young guy. You know, it's been obviously a rocky road, you know, for him and for us. and, you know, wasn't always, you know, the right fit. Obviously, kind of in and out of the rotation. I think that was tough for him. Tough for us as well, trying to navigate everything. And I really hope J.K. finds his way. And, you know, whether it's Atlanta or wherever else, I really want to see him succeed. And I'm sorry that it didn't happen here. Let me give you three players. Jonathan Kaminga, Jalen Green, and Scoot Henderson were G League Ignite guys, a four-year experiment by the NBA that went belly up and should have. None of them developed into the player they should have been. Much like broadcasting, I judge people on the decisions and choices they make. Why in the world would you choose G League Ignite over Duke and Kansas and Michigan State Well, a lot of kids aren't built for college. Every pro football player goes there for at least three years. Why are basketball players different? You can't handle a year of college. The marketing you get playing. I watched Duke Carolina the other day. You got $8 million of free marketing. None of those G League guys. You don't get elite coaching and G League unite. You don't play in packed arenas like Cameron Indoor or Kansas or UConn. That's like an NBA intensity. The coaching, the nutrition, the travel, the training staffs, playing in massive arenas, that is like, that's like a, I mean, playing at Carolina, that's like an NBA environment, a playoff environment. You got 15,000 plus, 16,000 plus, you know, at these big college basketball arenas. That's where you go. That's where you get marketing. Cooper flag, Duke to Dallas. He's already a star. Why? Because I watched him at Duke. Stephon Castle at UConn. Jalen Brunson goes to Villanova. By the time he gets to the NBA, I know his whole life story. I'm looking at guys this morning. Find me one G League Ignite star in the NBA. There isn't one. I always felt this about AAU basketball. 8,000 meaningless games, more about the individual than the team. And you'll find Kamingos, like a lot of these guys, Scoot Henderson, Jalen Green, they don't play well with others. they i mean it's it's more about i gotta have the ball in my hands it's it's the spacing they're not good it's just like super talented okay but what really bothers me is the choices young great basketball players have i don't understand everybody demonizing college basketball the coaching the travel is first class the arenas you're playing the gear you get, even pre-NIL, even pre-NIL. I would talk to a couple of college basketball friends, and they were like, you know, people in the business, coaches, and they're like, our players get treated really well. That was pre-NIL. So, you know, you can blame whoever you want. Kaminga's long and talented, but he doesn't rebound. He doesn't shoot well. You know, his low post game is all over the map. Good one night, not the next. Good this matchup, bad in the next. Yeah, I wish him well, but I've been on this for years. I do not get the NBA. NFL totally gets the value of college football. Totally understands the value of college football. Basketball has it out. NBA has it out for college basketball. The coaching's great. The arenas are great. The TV product. You're on television. I mean, you've seen the ratings for these college basketball games the last couple years. They're huge. They're beating the NBA. With that, here's somebody I haven't talked to in a while. Maybe Tex not talked. Trent Dilfer used to be a regular on the show. Got kind of busy. Got a new job. Do we have Trent right now? Oh, we're reconnecting right now. He'll be joining us in just one second. Yeah, and I went and looked at Kaminga's numbers the last three years, by the way. The minutes in his games and his numbers all went down. All right, here we go. Trent Dilfer now is joining us live. Long time, no talk, 14 years in the NFL. Where are you right now and how are you doing? I miss you, brother. I am back after a complete failure in college football, back to where my roots are, high school football. So I'm back at Lipscomb where I spent four years and was my happiest and what I'm wired to do. More transformation than transaction. Yeah, that's what college football is. You know, we talked about this earlier. I had Drew Brees on yesterday and I asked Drew, I said, does your journey remind you a little of Sam Darnold where the first place is turbulent? You don't maybe get the support. And he said it does. And he went on and gave a really interesting answer. And it actually made me think of Arch Manning, who had to sit for two years, I would argue, behind a guy he'll ultimately be better than. Then when he did play, got the crap kicked out of him and everybody ripped him. And then at the end of this year, dealing with all that adversity, he was great in his last six games. And I'm like, when you were in college football, I mean, your journey, I mean, I could go back. I was there. I was in Tampa working as a sports guy. Do you worry about having been in college football? Forget the other positions, that at the first sign of adversity, a lot of these quarterbacks and their dads are like, we're out of town. Does that worry you? Heck, yeah. As usual, you're right on this thing that nobody wants to talk about. what makes you wired to be a championship quarterback is the adversity are the hard things are the grind are the failures i got booed out of outbacks i had binoculars thrown at me i i you know if there was social media back then i wouldn't be able to be on it and many quarterbacks have the same story it's what hardens you and we're so scared as athletes in this generation for hard things, for adversities, for benchings, for failures, for four interception games, for not meeting expectations, what a guy might say about you, what you read on your phone. But yet we need to embrace those things as the good stuff. The good stuff comes out of the hard stuff. And you get to a point where you really just don't care anymore about what others think, then you're free. But I think every young player has to go through that pain point, has to go through that struggle so they're freed up that you're not playing for that. You're playing because you love football for your teammates, for the job, for the passion. And that's what you said. I'm seeing Sam Darnold highlights. That's all you've seen in Sam. Sam was wildly talented when he came out. I remember being at ESPN saying Sam Darnold is a can't-miss guy if he's developed the right way, if he's taught the right way, if the system's correct for him. but he went into a bad situation. It took the hardening of bad situations, took resilience and grit. It took being with the right people in the right time in the aha moment. The guys won more game in the last two years, I think, than anybody but Tom Brady in the two-year span. So he has become a great quarterback because of the hardening that went into the process. We tend to forget that football, more than any sport, is really collaborative. I mean, if you're a great basketball player, you can get your 26 a night in Orlando or in Phoenix. But even as a wide receiver, look at Larry Fitzgerald's career. Boy, he was way better when he has Kurt Warner. You know what I mean? So, I mean, even a receiving position, which we think is over on the sideline, doing his own thing, breaking the huddle first. I look at Josh Allen. Well, because of his contract, they don't have pro bowlers on defense. I look at Patrick Mahomes. Because of his contract, they don't have a running game. and they can't get their own line right. Brady and Breeze both said at one point, Trent, I'm going to take a little less and I'm going to win more. Well, what do you know? Networks come the minute you're off the air and they want to put you on the air because you're a winner. Go back to your career. Is it, it's maybe the model going forward, guys, you will make that money back. You'll make it back because you'll have a better right tackle. You'll get a TV job, but it is hard to tell a pro athlete. Don't take the most money available to you. That's hard for a quarterback, is it not? It is. This is a big subject. I'll give you my thoughts on this. I've been saying this for years. One, I think in the CBA, in the salary cap, they need to remove a portion for the quarterback. I think every team, football would be better if the teams weren't punished for these massive quarterback salary cap hits. I've always thought that should be the case. If not, then I'm on your I'm on your page. Then they at least need to relax some of the rules that quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Drew B's a face of the face of the franchise. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, you can go down the list should be able to get an equity piece of the organization or be involved in business deals that are tied to the NFL, because that's where real money. I mean, you know, billionaires, I know billionaires, their equity stakes. You know what I mean? They get a piece of something bigger than their personal brand. So imagine Tom Brady. I don't know how much wealth he has. It's ridiculous, I'm sure. But it'd be even greater if he had a stake of the New England Patriots. Drew Brees should have had a stake in the business dealings of the New Orleans Saints. If they could do that, then quarterbacks would take less because agents aren't going to let them bet on the TV contract. And I get it. I will say this, too, about Tom and Drew. They're both very good at it, too. You know what I mean? I don't watch a ton of NFL anymore, but when I do and either one of them is talking, I listen. Or I don't listen to a lot of other people. You know what I mean? And there's a lot of really successful quarterbacks that aren't good on TV. I mean, they just don't know how to communicate clearly. They're not concise with their words. They don't have charisma. They can't teach the game. The game came too easy for them. Right. I think a lot of times the guys that are the best on TV, the game came hard, too. Tom Brady worked harder than anybody else so he can explain it to somebody that in the developmental stage or doesn totally understand it Drew Brees same way He can explain it better because he took the hard road to the game and he has the gravitas of being a Hall of Famer. So again, agents are going to let you bet on the future, but if in the now they can have money, they could have revenue streams that are legal, that are outside the salary cap, then they would take more. I mean, anybody would take more for a superstar wide receiver or a better left tackle or a dominant inside backer or an edge rusher. That would be a no brainer for any of us. If we knew that we had an equity stake or a business dealing that could bring us the hundreds of millions of dollars that we're turning down in a contract. You said you watch more college than pro. And we've had this kind of opinion on this show is that a lot of my strongest opinions on players are often because I have sources in a pro league telling me that or in an athletic department. And then there's these occasions when I like somebody way more than my sources in the league, or I like somebody way less than my sources. And that's when I make often my biggest mistakes. And you can, you know, you look and go, how did you think that? And I'm like, well, I should have listened to people. So Fernando Mendoza is one of those. My sources like him. I love him. I think he's Matt Ryan plus. Bigger, stronger, more athletic than Matt Ryan. And I think Matt Ryan was really good in his prime. Very good MVP. Fernando Mendoza, what do you see? Do you see very good, but not a star? Or is it you tell me what you see tremendously talented very charismatic great learner compliant which i think is one of the most under valued thing in quarterbacking meaning that they will do as they're told to do by their coaches who are smarter than them they're not trying to roll out the balls and be the best athlete on the field they're trying to be a surgeon instead of a butcher have i told that one to you before. Both have sharp instruments, right? One has a, makes you a pastrami sandwich with his instrument. The other one saves your life with his instrument, right? You got to have surgeons out there. So you got to be compliant to be a surgeon. Um, he has, he has played very remedial quarterback. So their passing game is very good, but very simple. he does not full field read very often if you notice he tucks it and runs a lot because they're kind of a one two and go offense I would say Justin Herbert is your best comparable Hall of Fame talent remedial progression in his development therefore he needs to be handled in such a way early on because he's going to have to play I still don't believe in playing him early I still, to this day, I'm one of the very few out there that still thinks they should sit for a year. One year. One year. But everybody else says, oh, you got to pay him. You got to play him. Great. Then play him in a run action. Cut the field in half. RPO. Good run game. Third down. Protect him. Don't make him do all the protections. And let him go be really good at that. And then build over years into the surgeon. I think he'd be as good as anybody there is if and people are going to hold me to these comments and I'm putting there the if I want to know who's coaching him I want to know who's developing him I want to know who's in his ear all the time I want to know who his mentor is is he going out to Southern California working with Jordan Palmer I hope so I hope that he's doing the things that the greatest in the games decided I'm okay right now but I can be great and I need to surround myself with people that are great. Now, some of that is in his control, and some of it like Sam Darnold, like a bunch of others that were really good that didn't make it, it's out of their control. So where he's drafted, who's developing them, how they built the infrastructure around him, as Mike Holmgren used to say, build the building around that player's development because then we'll all have jobs forever. but if you don't build the building around his development, he's just part of the building then he could have a Sam Donald experience because he hasn't been taught and I love that staff, this is not a knock on Indiana staff, by the way we dumbed it down a little bit too in college football because you only have them for a limited amount of time and you gotta win games so it's nobody's fault but when you look at his DNA as a quarterback, it's more of a one-two, either-or. It's very defined. A lot of back shoulders, a lot of goal balls instead of inside benders, runaways. Not a lot of modern NFL passing game in his repertoire. So that just needs to be developed. Will it happen by the right person? It wouldn't even be that hard to develop them by the right person. But it needs to be the right person. So I was saying, we'll wrap it up with this, the Seahawks defense, which is really special. When your GM goes eight for eight in the last four years on the first two picks, and I mean eight for eight great players, that's hard to duplicate. The Seattle defense looked a little bit like the Legion of, you know, boom, and also looked a little bit like your Ravens defense. Now, your Ravens defense, corners could do things you can't do anymore, so it's different. But when I think of great defenses, I'm like, oh, the Tampa Bay, the Ravens, Richard Sherman, Cam Chancellor, Seahawks. And I watch this one. I'm like, that's one of the four. And so Drake may get engulfed. And my take is he's 23. These guys, I mean, outside of Matt Stafford, they ate everybody's lunch. They ate. Stafford's got Puka and Devontae and McVay. So you tell me, with the times in your career, when you go back to your early days, your young days, and you face the best defense in the league, what does it look like? What was Drake May seeing? Oh, gosh, I'm so glad you asked me these questions. I have a really fun story to tell to answer this question. My wife and I were driving across the country for four days. And the third day was Super Bowl Sunday. and she wanted to stop and go to a fancy hotel and watch the game. I'm like, no, I'm rolling. I'm 10 hours in. I want to do another two, three hours. So we're watching the game on highway 70 driving through the middle of America on our iPad. And I'm driving and I'm going about 75, 80 miles per hour. And I get pinned in between these two semis and everybody that's ever driven on a highway when you're going fast there's a lot of traffic and the semis pin you in it's the most claustrophobic uncomfortable oh my gosh i'm going fast they're going fast but are they going to am i going to become a you know uh peanut butter and jelly sandwich in these in these semis and i'm watching drake man i'm like we're living the same life right now i'm gonna get smashed by two semis going 75 he feels that way every time he takes a snap the seattle seahawks defense was two semis pinned him in on its highway 70 in the middle of america and what do you do you can't breathe you can't think everything speeds up like he short arms some balls i think the kid's phenomenal i coached him in elite 11 i love drake may he will be a superstar in this league for years to come but you put and ask tom this i mean tom's on your show he's the greatest of all time there's only one defense to tom brady there's only one way you can take him away you couldn't play man you couldn't play zone you couldn't blitz him you couldn't drop eight you couldn't do it but what you could do is make him sandwich in between two semis rex ryan's defenses did it sometimes there are certain defenses that knew how to take tom brady's superpower away and it's his was more interior pressure. Right. But this was an overwhelming side interior sandwich, two semis on the side of you on a highway pressure and no quarterback in the history of football could have thrived in that environment. Yeah. It's, um, it's great seeing you again. I'm fired up, man. And does anybody care to have a say anymore after being a colossal failure in college football? At least i know a little bit listen football is belichick got fired andy reed got fired i think you're okay you're getting fired or hired when i decided to coach that's what all my mentors told me is like hey if you're willing to be hired a bunch of times and fired a bunch of times go for it i'm like okay here we go great seeing you again you're the best dude see you all right trent Dilfer. Yeah, I mean, I think you know, we said this a year ago, Sam Darnold got sacked nine times by the Rams and everybody said, guy's a bum told you. Year later, he's hoisting a trophy. They're going to get their offensive line fixed because it's obvious that's the weakness of the team and Drake May faces the Seahawks next regular season. What do you bet he plays well? What do you bet he's a better quarterback? Like when I'm watching that Seattle game and I'm YouTube but didn't watch the highlights. Seattle's defense is just... The four best defenses, top of my head, are like that Ravens defense, there was a Buccaneer defense, there's the Seattle defense with Cam Chancellor, Richard Sherman, and there's this defense. And then now, Houston Texans are really good too. But those four just in the end end up in Super Bowls. They just overwhelm people. That's why I said Stafford as MVP over Drake May. Stafford ate this defense for lunch. And some of it is Seattle's guard, center guard. The Rams have great guards and great receivers and great backs. So Seattle's facing a Rams offense that is a Pro Bowl team. There's great players everywhere. But even that said, Stafford wasn't good on third down. Stafford, I think, was 0-6 on third down. They were very good early downs. So Drake May, I mean, you would agree. Drake May is going to be fine. We'll see. We'll see. By the way, there was some commentary from Seattle defensive backs about May. They could tell what's coming based on the way he was looking and reacting. There were some tells. They were like, we couldn't see that with Stafford. Hey, Kyle, let me say something about Trent Dilfer real quick. Two seconds. A lot of people, when they have success, they give themselves all the credit. Well, I was a genius. I was smart. And when they have failures, they blame it on other people. Yeah. Well, that guy screwed me in the system and blah, blah, blah. What Trent Dover just said was pretty incredible. I mean, he owned it. He was like, I was a failure. That's refreshing. I mean, that was one of the most real things that I've heard from any interview we've had this year. I mean, did you hear him? He was just like, I failed. I respect that. Steve Spurrier, great college coach. Disaster in the NFL. And Nick Saban failed. And I don't think Nick's built for the NFL. He's really built for college. He's really got it. He's a closer. He's a great personality. He's a great teacher. But Spurrier, just in my opinion, Steve just didn't quite have the work mentality. NFL is no life. I mean, it's just no football life. You're just literally in the facility all day. That's not who Spurrier is. And Dilfer used the word transaction. Did you hear that? And college football is very transactional right now. That's what it is. It's what are you going to pay me to come on your team? What's my role? And that's a little different. That's why a Kurt Signetti and a Bill Belichick, guys who are older, can flourish. It's administrative. It's transactional. Bill Belichick's not going to go. Five, six years ago, Nick Saban's literally on a private jet flying to Northern California. He's all over the country. You have no life. Now a lot of it is recruit within your region and go buy the deficiencies on your roster. Exactly. And so it makes and get young staffs who will do the work for you. But it's a largely the head coach. Now, it's a transactional administrative job. And that means you don't have to have the best energy in the world. If you got a little bit of energy and can write some checks, you can solve a lot of problems on that roster. Yeah, it used to be the, you know, Nick Saban, here's how I can help you. Now all the players are like, what are you going to do for me? What are you paying me? What's my role going to be? And it's changed a lot. college football is in this this weird like transactional phase where i think it's good you think it's good but on ground zero i don't know i will say i will say we've overstated it a little i think the first few years couple years of the nil everybody was just leave leave leave leave leave i think universities have gotten much smarter on this i think the first two years of it people overspent or or i should say overspent over signed yes i mean i always have this take most if george is moving off a defensive lineman they know the odometer they didn't they didn't want to move off jalen carter right like like if you find lsu or georgia or an alabama moving off an interior defensive tackle he probably doesn't play as hard as they like so the bottom line is most universities, the power conferences, the power schools, they're going to pay the guys who are really, really great. And I think teams have figured out the NIL, college football programs have figured out there's a lot of good B players that you don't have to pay a fortune that can, like, you know, a second corner, a second running back, a right tackle, not a left tackle. And now, occasionally you can go by a Caleb Downs, wasn't he at Bama and goes to Ohio State? You're like, okay, that guy's just unbelievable. But I think the NIL everything goes in a cycle In the first couple years of it it was like people were buying 35 players i always thought i talked to a coach who said this the magic number is eight you won screw up chemistry if you bring in about eight guys you may he goes outside a quarterback plug deficiencies you don't have to go buy stars go buy a great pass rusher if you can but just you don't want to be terrible anywhere the coaching's good well texas tech is trying to throw a monkey wrench i just read an article about some of the stuff they're doing they're very cutting edge, man. You know, that was my team last year. I gave it out on the show. Texas Tech to make the playoff. That was a plus 500 ticket. Big winner. I'm looking for one this year. I don't have it yet, but I may have to pick your brain during one of these commercial breaks. Live in Chicago, it's the Herd. Want more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Stugatz here. I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow, and I have brought it here to iHeart. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5 p.m. Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugatz & Company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports. A lot of phone calls. I love you guys' show. It's one of my favorites. a lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously. 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I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level if the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. 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This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11th, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing. It's an all-out manhunt for John OJ. Every search and rescue team in L.A. County has been called in to help. Within days, tips started flooding into the sheriff's department. The rumor around the drug scene was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover-up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department? A homicide captain saying, Detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent. Who does that? Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance? I wouldn't do it alone. Listen to Valley of Shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Daniel Jeremiah knows his stuff NFL draft. It is something we will discuss at length. First though, J Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. Can't wait for that Daniel Jeremiah talk, but let's start with Max Crosby, Colin. He's making news. It's almost like, is it by design? Is he trying to pump up his IG followers? Anyways, Max Crosby's all over the news this last week, but he's now downplaying the rumors that he wants out, and he doubled down in an appearance on the Let's Go podcast. Everyone's picked me up. Did you say this? Did you? It's, I can't control that. You earn that as a player. You know, if I wasn't doing the right things, and if I wasn't the person and player I was, you know, people wouldn't be talking about all the nonsense, but that's what comes with it. I really don't care what everybody has to say. I used to a lot as a young guy. I really don't give a damn. People could have their own opinions. I know what's going on. I know my truth. And I don't need to sit here and keep rehashing it to people that don't know what's going on. So I don't even waste time with it. Okay, so Colin, if we put those words on the screen, what he just said, it's a gigantic word salad. He essentially said nothing. Revealed nothing about what he wants, which is good. He's a pro. And listen, I know people don't think I like Max Crosby. I've seen his basketball videos. He could definitely play on my men's league team. We would recruit him. But I just don't know why he's still talking about this, Colin. You know, I know he's a veteran. I think he is the missing piece for several top teams. I think Kansas City could use him. New England could use him. I think Max Crosby is one of the, you know, free agency and trade guy doesn't really equal Super Bowl. I mean, if you go look at the Seahawks, Sam Darnold was obviously an exception where you bring a guy in, a quarterback, important position. You're like, oh, he was such an upgrade from Geno. I mean, the roster in Seattle last year was good. I mean, how many rookies made an impact that John Snyder drafted this year? Two, a guard and a safety. The roster was great with Geno Smith. Obviously, Darnold's the big part of it that goes next level. JSN was already in the building. With Darnold, suddenly he was great. With Geno, he was frustrating. or frustrated. So my point is, Crosby may not be a quarterback. There is no question. If you put him on New England next year with their interior defensive linemen, that's the best defensive line maybe in the sport. So I think Crosby, New England's defensive tackles are excellent. You put Crosby on that D-line in New England, lights out. Okay, so is there a world where Spitek and the new coach Kubiak, go to Crosby and say, hey, bro, we get it. It sounds like you want out. How about this? Don't do any more podcasts. Leave social media commentary to us. Don't talk about it, and we will get you where you want to go. And then, you know, you call up the Buffalo Bills and be like, oh, yeah, is Keon Coleman for sale? You know the BS game that you play as an executive. Oh, well, yeah. So Crosby, any interest? You're not calling about Max. You're calling about somebody else. But you work it in, like, call the contenders. just do it quietly. I don't love this negativity when you've got 10 picks. No, you've got to remember, Max Crosby is a star. He goes on podcasts and they ask him about it. What is he supposed to say? Well, the problem is that we like authenticity. You and I love that. It gives us content. Everybody loves that. But it's going to mess with the locker room. You've got a new head coach, your first-time head coach in Kubiak, rookie number one pick likely in Mendoza. You've got a Wobegon franchise in Vegas that can't win a damn thing. Why would you do this? You're messing with the fans' heads. I don't think it's messing with anything. I think he's been the silver lining for the silver and black for about seven years. I think he's the only redeemable part of this franchise in the last seven years. Are you sure it's silver and black or black and blue? I mean, these guys are getting their butts kicked every year by everyone. I'm telling you right now, I love Max as a Raider, but if you could get two ones from New England, I think you have to consider it. I would peddle him to the NFC first. I don't want to have to see that guy hoist the trophy in my conference. All right, let's go to the next story. That's Jaden Daniels. Do you remember how much we talked about this guy last year as he guided Washington to the NFC Championship? Well, this past season, he did nothing because he was hurt. And now he's got a new OC in, wait for it, David Blau, former Detroit Lions practice squad guy. I think he took a couple snaps. Here's Dan Quinn talking about how Jaden is going to look a little different this season. it'll look different some jp in some ways as we're still kind of building some of the things together but this is going to be like an aggressive balanced attack but like that we'll probably have more under center than we have in the past we're going to try to feature every part of jayden in the way that makes him unique and special jayden's a big part of our thinking and all the things that we do he wasn't a part of the staff selection but like he drives a lot of the thinking and how we can feature him and where it goes. And so having the ability to connect with him, that's certainly a big deal for us. All right. So pretty good stat here, Colin. Warren Sharp, you know, he's a buddy. Sure, sure. So he sharted under center dropbacks last season where you're taking snaps from under center. Okay. Washington was dead last in the league. 17 snaps the whole season. under center. Sorry, dropping back. And it's like, dude, what are you doing? So maybe that's why they move off Kingsbury. They need to change it up. So now Jaden will be under center more. Guess who happened to be under center the most, as you can see on the chart here? Rams, number one. Number two, by the way, in snaps under center, Chicago Bears, number two. And all the teams at the top had a lot of success. Well, you know, this is why the NFL is great. It's constantly evolving. It was an under center league. Then it was a shotgun league, and now the better teams are going back under center when you have a star quarterback. And a lot of people like under center because a quarterback never takes his eyes off the defense. As defenses get more sophisticated, you know, in the shotgun, you look down for a half a second or a second to get the snap, and the defense can shift at the snap of the ball. So a lot of the guys in the league, the offensive coordinators, can like under center. So one of the things that is really cool about the NFL, you and I, baseball went forever without making changes. And then Rob Manfred, over like a three-year period, made multiple changes. They all worked. And baseball now is so much more watchable now than five years ago. If you go watch a baseball game five years ago, go on YouTube. It's so slow. It's like a rotary phone. Like, I can't do it. NBA's got things it needs to solve. Bill Simmons was talking about that this week, and they won't. They're like, well, we got paid. We made money from the networks. Like your game's got like four major issues. I don't even think tanking is the biggest issue. The NFL is so cyclical. The rules to PATs don look like they look Kickoffs don look like they look The catch rule got tweaked And I think part of what I love about football is I mean now suddenly it is Seattle by the way it was Oh you got to go for it and fourth down You know who didn't go out for it on fourth down this year, Denver, Seattle. Like, I just love the way the NFL is constantly shifting and changing and under center is coming back. Well, it's, it's, I don't know that that's like a rule. That's more of like a coach thing. McVay and Ben Johnson are at the cutting edge. So they realize the too high safety has taken away the big plays. How do you manipulate those guys? Put the quarterback under center. We may run the football. So what are the DBs doing? And that, I think, is a big reason why we're seeing under center now because you have to respect the run game or they'll just matriculate down the field. Three years ago, it may have been two, you and I were on the show. Everybody was like, running backs aren't being paid. Nobody wants a running back. You and I went on the air and said, slow down. Running backs, especially for young quarterbacks, are like a life preserver. Tight ends in running backs. Like, stop. Isn't it amazing that the MVP of the Super Bowl, Kenneth Walker, like it was three years ago, everybody's like, nobody wants to pay the running back. No, no, nobody wants to pay a running back that second huge contract. Everybody liked running back. Generally, you didn't want to go a second big contract because it's the last position on offense. You can headhunt. You can hit them from anywhere. They come through a line. You can hit them anywhere. So we were early on that. I will say this. I think McVay going to three tight ends at times this year and having ultra success is going to make people be like, do we need to go after more tight ends in free agency? And make sure to ask Jeremiah about this. He was just breaking down the tight ends. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of high end ones, but middle rounds, there could be some tight end value. And you've got to be able to be flexible, whether three wides, three tight ends, two running backs. NFL, just a smart league. Final story, Con, let's go to NBA All-Star Weekend. I know you're fired up. Very excited. Well, Kevin Durant, also very excited. I can't tell if he's being real here or he's trying to stir the pot, but he's taking shots at some of the European gentlemen. Here we go. You should ask the Europeans, the world team, if they're going to compete. I mean, because if we look at Luka Doncic and Nikola Jokic now, Let's go back and look at what they do in the All-Star game. Is that competition? So we haven't questioned what they've been doing, but we're going to question the old heads and the Americans. But these two dudes out there, Luka and Jokic, they don't care about the game at all. These dudes be laying on the floor, they shoot from half court, but you got to worry about the old heads playing hard. I can read between the lines, bro. You know, he's not wrong on that. I mean, Jokic has no interest. none. Kevin Durant, your buddy Kevin Durant can be very funny. I like him. Now, he's on to something. I'll be real though, Colin. Luka, Giannis, Jokic, these guys international. All-star games are nothing. They don't mean a damn thing. They play for championships overseas. And that's what those guys are into here. Not some fluffy all-star game where there's no defense being played by guys who aren't great defenders anyway. You know, so KD's on to something. I don't know how you fix that when your best players in the league are international. don't care about the All-Star game, and don't play defense. I could do a show on four to five things the NBA needs to change. Please don't. I won't because the truth is when we get to late April, May, and June, the playoffs are going to be unbelievable. Every year in this space when the football season ends and we start moving to the NBA and the stars aren't playing because they're resting. Either you're tanking or they're resting for the playoffs. People have minutes, maybe privately, on what they want to play. We all go crazy on the NBA. The playoffs will show up in May, and they'll be really, really good. Yeah, by the way, remember, college basketball, 33 games. NBA, 82. So, yeah, college guys got to go hard. You got to make the tournament. NBA, 82-8. Let's take a week off here, a week off there. Kind of like your summers when you're gallivanting globally with the other coastal elites. Let me tell you something. I play less than LeBron in the summer. Oh, my God. Jeez. J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Live in Chicago, it's The Herd. 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And I never feel, I never once in my life have had licorice and thought, oh, that didn't agree with me. Yeah. Every time I try Skittles, I'm like on cloud nine. Yeah. Skittles, no sugar in that. So you should be good. No red dyes or anything. Yeah. You're all clear on that. You know, half the stuff you read in the internet. I don't even buy, oh, you can't drink anymore. Well, I'm very stressed out last night and my cortisol levels were high. So I knocked out a gin and soda. I felt like I was honestly Clark Kent. I was Superman. What was the stress? Was this because you have to stop talking about Sam Darnold now? Dealing with a lot of your nonsense is very stressful. I got to tell you, people always say now the big trend is young people don't drink. That's a you problem. That's where all the fun is. I don't think I did anything in my 20s and 30s that was meaningful without a tequila shot or a corona. That's your problem if you don't want to have fun. You needed the liquid courage to talk to the ladies back in the day, right? Yeah. I mean, sometimes Ann gets mad at me. I need liquid courage to talk to Ann. She was fired up last night. I was like, I better have one. Oh, that's why you were upset. Okay, not low-maintenance J-Mac. It's Ann was on your case. Got it. All right. Yeah. Hey, Valentine's Day is right around the corner, buddy. I hope you got your act together there. I know what Saturday is. Okay. Just making sure. Very few days a guy's got to get right. anniversary you may want to put that in your phone yeah uh valentine's day that one that one kind of seems to matter a lot did you send sam darnold any roses or anything or you know just to make cover all the bases made contact through uh sources to sam darnold wishing him greatness going forward that's great um daniel jeremiah is coming up uh next hour i'm telling you if you haven't read that stuff on the comingo warrior steve kerr that was delicious not as good as licorice, but that was a great story. That was an unbelievable story. Nobody's talking about it because of the Super Bowl. Go read it. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. 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