#2447 - Mike Benz

the the the the the the government we have the government's files have been this is we have three and a half million files that it feels like we should not have it would have been great to have had seven years ago in 2019 when this is being litigated but it's an incredible moment of transparency for how the world works how governments interact with the private sector and funds and it's just really cool to be a part of it what was the hold up what was the because it seemed like there was a lot of people that did not want these files released yeah I thought about this a lot what we have access to now are internal documents from the justice department and the FBI that are normally even though they're not classified they are part of a criminal investigation and so they're not normally disclosed to the public it could be the case that it kind of required a congressional bill to force this out like when you if there's a internal investigation and it's not a part of a court document that's entered into evidence you can't just foyer the justice department to get dirt on your political enemies because you think that they might be involved in something now I don't know if it could have been done through an executive order around Epstein transparency around the time of the first binders certainly it looked like there was friction between the president and Thomas Massey over this issue but I don't I don't know the details of what went down there but the fact is the bill passed 427 to 1 in the house who's the one my recollection is that it was Randi fine but I might be wrong on that so I don't want to smear there was one person did you want it released because they thought it would compromise the victims right at one point in time at least yeah I don't know what the what the rationale you know is and because I don't recall of hand who the one is I don't want to lean on that too much but the fact is there's nobody wanted to be on the other side of this I can't think of anything that both Republicans and Democrats voted on 427 to 1 and oh sorry Clay Higgins sorry apologies to Randi fine yeah so there was the I mean there was obviously friction because this implicates everybody Republicans and Democrats Americans and a dozen different foreign countries heads of major hedge funds and multinational corporations donors to all political parties major university and science institutions I mean almost every major player in world affairs was in some way either involved in or adjacent to this network or the network tried to reach out to them because they were influential and so you know there was kind of a mutually assured destruction around the Epstein hot potato for a decade now which is that out of power the Republicans said all the Democrats don't want to disclose this because of the Clintons and then the Trump administration gets into power and there's a very slow reaction to the kind of kind of disclosure that culminated in what happened this week and so you had the Democrats saying oh they're not disclosing it because of you know Trump world and his associates meanwhile they controlled the Justice Department and the FBI for four years and didn't release any so you know it took in a moment like this and what's really interesting about it is this bill only compelled the disclosure this law that passed in Congress only compelled the disclosure of Justice Department originated files Justice Department by extension FBI is the investigative arm of the Justice Department it does not compel CIA originated files and one of the coolest moments of transparency we had last year in 2025 was when Tulsi Gabbard has the you know O.D. and I is the head of Director of Senate of National Intelligence and charge of the whole intelligence community spearheaded the JFK files release and we got basically fully unredacted documents now I know there's a contest over how complete they are but the fact is is it was hundreds of thousands of files that had never been seen before or unredacted versions of documents that had been fully or partially redacted for decades the only reason that we have JFK files at all is because in 1992 Congress passed a bill to force the CIA to start turning over documents and the law I believe is called the JFK Records Collection Act and it forced by law the CIA to establish this independent presidential assassination review board that would review documents for declassification and compel you know on the basis of that independent body given all of the intelligence intrigue around Epstein and the fact that it is in my view physically impossible over Epstein's 40-year career in intelligence adjacent work that there was that there's not Epstein files that are CIA originated and we actually you know I saw this in the files that were just released Jeffrey Epstein himself twice foyade that's the Freedom of Information Act which is a little bit more than the United States which is a law that came around in 1966 which allows any U.S. citizen to ask any government agency for all public records that has about anything there are certain things that get blocked in that there were a lot of foy fights about COVID you know Fauci famously there's this exchange where one of the folks in Fauci world says that they learned cool tricks from the foyade about how to get around request but the fact is you can foy the CIA for records because that foyafforces the CIA to give you declassified or unclassified records and if it's classified it will issue a gloomara we cannot confirm or deny the existence or non-existence of classified information. Before we get any further the JFK stuff I know that I'm not going to say that the JFK stuff I never heard anything about it. I mean I know the files came out but there was no big revelations there was no was there anything that came out of that that was significant? I thought it was huge. I learned I guess people are looking at the JFK files most people are looking at it for clues as to who killed JFK. Right. And I know that there are many researchers who specialize in the JFK assassination that have sharpened their theories I suppose on the basis of it in a useful way for whatever it's worth. For me I was never expecting to see a CIA document saying I James Jesus Angleton authorized the assassination of of course the United States but the fact is what it revealed were all of these tangential and ancillary documents that showed the structure of intelligence work at a very fine and detailed level the kind of revelations that really only come around once in a generation. There's a there's a video online by Michael Parente who's a CIA whistleblower around the time of the Iran Contra hearings in the 1980s and he says pay attention to these hearings. This may be the last time for another 20, 30, 40 years that you ever get an inside look at the detailed minutiae of a covert operation because all of this was being blasted on a congressional jumbotron with hearings and formal congressional investigations and public testimony. And there's I sort of look at the JFK report. And I think that's what it was like. And I think that's what it was like. We got a very detailed look at everything that was happening around effectively operation Mongoose. Because do you have a fresh mind memory? What was the Mongoose again? Yeah. So we had so there was operation Mongoose for the CIA to, for Mongoose, for example, to destabilize the government of Cuba in order to induce a regime change. But because those efforts proved unsuccessful, they regionalized the conflict to counter communism work effectively throughout all of Latin America, the Caribbean South America. And operation condor was effectively a kind of counter insurgency strategy to stop the rise of left wing Marxist groups who were trying to throw off the yoke of American imperialism so to speak as they put it. And so you had a massive CIA operation to try to tilt the internal politics of basically every country south of the border. And we got incredibly just detailed, I'll give you an example of one declassified document that's really wild. There's one document that is a CIA file with instructions to delete all physical copies of the document at the end that describes how the agency had internally authorized an attempt to assassinate Castro by working through the Meyer-Lansky syndicate. And hiring two hitmen that were in Miami and then had but had contacts with the Cuban exiled community liaisons within Cuba. And so this was a formal agency file that described how a CIA case officer made contact with people from the mob organized crime with the police. And so this was a very logistic you can find this. I did hold video on it on my ex-subscribe I'll put it on the top of my social media. But it also describes a really interesting Jeffrey Epstein like Robert Mejue was a CIA asset the JFK files. They describe how they got a a movie to simulate, I believe it was the president of Indonesia having an affair with a blonde woman they filmed a basically like a pornno that would create a tape and they had very they describe how they set up the room to make it look like it was in the presidential palace or some hotel room that would have been in that country in order to create what's effectively a sexual blackmail tape to spread it the president and you look at these in formal agency files and on the one hand you go okay that was the 1960s that was the early 1960s that was before there was any oversight on the CIA at all there wasn't until the church committee hearings in 1975-1976 that we even had congressional oversight of the CIA there was no senate intelligence committee at the time and at that point assassinations had not been outlawed I mean the CIA was allowed to assassinate people there's since been a ban on that so you go okay that's 60 years ago but the fact is they did it the fact is that is within the array of options that folks and covert operations saw as on the table working with the mob and I found it totally unsurprising it's one of these things that's kind of the general theme it's shocked but not surprised you know it's like holy crap they put this in writing what are we doing here guys but you're like well I'm not surprised they did it because I know they were doing all these other things the fact is the CIA was working with the mob before it was done by the CIA work with for example the Italian mob was done through the Department of War in the really starting in the 1930s and then especially in the 1940s because they were the central intelligence agency at the time it was the OSS in the 1940s but it would become the CIA one of their main logistical points of contact and allies for the resistance against Mussolini in Italy Mussolini was cracking down both on the Vatican church and on the Italian mafia and so the restrained bedfellows is a great book on this by Paul Williams I think it was published in 2017 it's called Operation Gladio the CIA, the Vatican, and the mob and it's I recommend this book to everyone because it's a really really detailed academic deep dive on this nexus between a religious institution an intelligence agency an illegal organized crime syndicate that does all manner of black ops and it especially focuses on the funding relationship in fact this just came out and this sort of gets the utility of these documents there's an incredible document that just was released this week where Larry Summers who was the head of the US Treasury so not only was he the head of Harvard University and the head of the American Money System but he says he's trying to explain to Jeffrey Epstein kind of the politics of what's happening in the Vatican and what he says to him is that what's actually most important going on right now is what's happening with the Vatican bank which is kind of the the deep politics of the Vatican and I saw this email and I just laughed and did a little twerly thing in my in my chair because it's totally unsurprising if you read that book Operation Gladio that I mentioned it traces 80 years of this because the Vatican bank was the first offshore bank before offshore banking even existed it was you know there was an alliance with the Vatican bank during World War II itself with our Department of War and with organized crime outfits at least according to the evidence that I find persuasive in this book and that appears to be validated by Italian court documents in the 1990s and all of this was litigated incidentally that was when the mob was really prosecuted for the first time but effectively what happened was you had strange bedfellows you had the United States who wanted to get rid of Mussolini you had the Vatican wanted to get rid of Mussolini and you had organized crime we wanted to get rid of Mussolini and because organized crime is very deep in the logistics and unions they control the ports they control the streets they control safe houses and if they have allies in a bank they are able to launder money effectively in order to do black market type trade and if you have for example the support of the US government to facilitate that and there's protection offered to those organized crime groups what you end up having having is effectively state sponsored a state sponsored mafia with an untouchable bank and at the time the because in the Larry Summers explains this to Jeffrey Epstein in very simple terms which is yeah here you go the most important change in the Vatican may not be Pope Benedict son retirement but change in leadership of the institute for works of religion the Vatican's bank because of the Vatican's status as a sovereign country it's exempt from transparency rules of not only Italy but of the European Union this status allows its elite clients to evade any scrutiny in their money transfers last May Vatican bank president was fired after Italian authorities open investigation into a far-fetched bribery scheme and he goes through this but what's important here is the British when we think of offshore banking now it's usually associated with came in Ireland Jersey, man, Panama but Panama is sort of a different story but it's usually associated with these kind of small island countries that are formally kind of their own territory their own sort of sovereign territory you also see this within the United States in Native American reservations with these kind of autonomous zones that can be shielded from certain kinds of disclosures that a typical finance institution that's going on with Native American banks well yeah this is actually part of is that connected to the casinos because they have a lot of money from the casinos Super Bowl 60 deserves a sports book built for the moment Draft King Sports Book and official sports betting partner of Super Bowl 60 puts you right in the center of the biggest game of the year 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jurisdiction void an Ontario restrictions apply bet must win to receive bonus bets which expire in seven days minimum odds required four additional terms and responsible gaming resources see dkng.co slash audio limited time offer yeah yeah in fact if you watch the octopus murders which i think was HBO or Netflix or one of those that's great i haven't seen it but it's awesome and you know it it goes through how this was used effectively by the NSA during the promise software scandal and the Iran Contra scandal of the 1980s where you had basically the NSA and then the US government running money laundering effectively through you know casinos on uh... on Native American sovereign territory but the fact is is in the 1940s the Vatican Bank was really the only game in town this traces back at the CIA level to a lawyer named Paul Heluel who was kind of the the architect of of money laundering for for the CIA and it it didn't even start in world really started with the the attempt to try to stop mal in the 1930s and 1940s there was there were the opium wars in the 1830s where effectively the British empire and you know the East India trading company were making ungodly amounts of money by selling opium to China they would grow the opium on the golden crescent India and then they would sell it to China with the a huge customer base which would bring in huge amounts of revenues to the British crown and then there were two opium wars that were fought in the 1830s and 50s I believe around the and the opium wars were China's attempt to stop the import of opium into China because it had a huge by that point opium addiction problem opium dens in China were a massive issue within the country they tried to ban it and the British crown pride open the narcotics market through a military conquest of parts of China that's how Britain got control of Hong Kong which remains a major narcotrathicking site connected to Jeffrey Epstein in very weird ways I'll just sidebar that but Mao rose to power to you know in the name of his public campaign was about rejecting the century of humiliation between the 1830s and the 1930s to support Shanghai Shek in the Quomentang the Chinese nationalists against the Chinese Communists the war department couldn't get enough congressional allocations taxpayer money to support that so they had to find some way to finance the forces that are now effectively Taiwan because when they ultimately lost they fled to the island of Formosa which is now Taiwan but they they financed that initially the war department the Chinese nationalists through the narcotics trade through the basically the narcotics cultivated in the golden triangle and these operations continued in Cambodia and Laos and were a big part of the JFK expansion of covert operations to this day in Fort Bragg you know the special operations training centers called the JFK this was a massive expansion of small wars covert action instead of big military action so it was mostly spearheaded by CIA rather than DOD or Department of War but what happened was this Paul Heluel in order to be able to traffic illegal narcotics created a bunch of these CIA banking structures called Castle Bank and Trust in the Cayman Islands another one of New Can Hand in Australia and when you have that friendly bank that's protected then you can move drugs this is this overworld underworld alliance between intelligence and organized crime because basically every intelligence operation is I don't want to say every but at the operational level it's a crime it's an act of sabotage it's an act of subversion it's an act of obstruction it's an act of illegal surveillance so in order to do a illegal crime you don't want to do it yourself because then your fingerprints are on the gun but if you know people who do illegal crimes for a living in an organized way and have experience in doing it that allows you to be a very useful extension and it gets justified in the name of national security the illegal narcotics trade set up by Paul Heluel who would go on to be the main lawyer for Disney and set up Disney World in Orlando you can look all this up you can pull up Paul Heluel's Wiccapedia or you can look at the history of Disney or you can pull up Castle Bank and Trust and one of these is up on screen this is all fully declassified and so they then took that model to South America and Latin America and the Caribbean during Operation Condor Operation Mongoose and this is part of what gave rise to the Iran Contra that spawned Jeffrey Epstein which was the CIA got busted running the same thing it did in the 1940s China which was a drugs for cash for guns operation you can't get enough money in USAID you can't get enough money from US taxpayer dollars you can't get enough money from private donors who will draft off of the regime change for their own profit how do you get your resistance rebels enough money it's that usually comes down to black market trade whether that's diamonds in Africa whether that's illegal mining activities in South America or whether that's narcotics and it's the best things to use for this kind of covert financing are small, fungible, physical materials that can be converted into large sums of cash for example like a truck full of cocaine can fund an army, you know a truck full of copper can't and so you had this state sanctioned drug trade, this state sanctioned illegal weapons logistics apparatus and the state sanctioned money laundering apparatus that started in the 1940s and was utilized throughout the entirety of the cold war the on the mafia side and the operation gladiow is this stay behind network is what they what they said basically these were right wing groups many or some of which were kind of Nazi adjacent who hated communism and so even though we fought against the Nazis in Mussolini and Hitler and World War II there was a utility to preserving a certain homegrown domestic network that really hated communism to assist us on the ground in the war against communism and what you saw was in operation gladiow this was a NATO-wide covert network alliance of networks and network of networks that in basically every one of the NATO countries there was a cell or a number of cluster cells that were set up in order to covertly influence the domestic politics of the country and if you look at the members of these cluster cells there's some of the like Silvio Berlusconi was a part of the so-called P2 lounge that came up in the operation gladiow files when the Italian government basically put all this on trial in the 1990s and that structure is still used by intelligence today if you go to my ex-feed and you look up for example an apple bomb and the thread that I did on the integrity initiative if you just put integrity initiative and I can show you what these cluster cells look like and it's fascinating to look at the organizational structure of it but I guess what I'm getting to here is with the mob and the Vatican at that time that was the only game in town for offshore banking if you wanted to have a bank that had no oversight whatsoever when the British lost the Suez Canal in 1957 and basically had to give up their empire this is during decolonialization the British Empire transition from a physical empire to a financial empire and moved heavily into offshore banking that's how you got these kind of unions came in islands you know jersey man all these kind of British offshore banking hubs and with London as the capital of international finance you will the British Empire was effectively able to maintain a comparable level of imperial vassal state control without having physical troops or physical territorial control and so the Vatican Bank has lost a lot of its rank I would say in the international finance system since the 1940s because the market's so saturated now with offshore banking hubs but that explains what's happening in this Larry Summers Jeffrey Epstein exchange one of the weirder things about these files is there's some stuff in there that you go okay one thing that we know happens is when something is true a bunch of stuff gets attached to it that's both not true and also preposterous that allows you to sort of dismiss all of it together there's a lot of people thought about that with Pizzagate and there's some stuff that I saw online that was like George W Bush was like involved in ritual sacrifice or things things along those lines like killing babies and eating people and the wild shit what do you think that stuff is I don't know I don't think it really occurs what I'll say is this is a bad week to be a total Pizzagate denialist you would feel a lot more comfortable about it a week ago than you would this week I don't particularly focus or I don't say care I don't my knowledge set on it is a lot more limited on it because I don't think it's a central crux of political influence I don't know if it's kind of almost a inside joke in a certain way Jeffrey Epstein himself in these emails is unbelievably trolley things that are the kind of shitposts you say to a buddy or your brother or something that you don't mean you know it's kind of cheek but if you were a cynical out to get you person who somehow obtained that text message you'd say oh look he said it and so there's a lot of that going on but the fact is is I have seen some I've seen a lot of images shared around the time period of when Pizzagate was popping off in 2016 that all I'll say is it doesn't it doesn't look good or easily explainable at the same time a lot of those screenshots I have not for most of these for the things I've posted about or that I'm talking about here I've gone to the justice department file I've looked at the file number confirmed whether or not the screenshot is actually what it is for those I have not yet but I would not I wouldn't feel totally confident saying there's no there there but that's about as far as I can go on that. We say images what are you talking about? Well there's a lot of you know if you look up pizza for example it's just as a keyword search you'll see or cheese or something it looks like in the DOJ database for these new files you'll see a lot of things of people talking about pizza in a way that it seems like a code kind of impossible to imagine to do to a pizza what's about okay you know what I mean but I don't to me there's so much real world provable things in there and also so many kind of more real world implications of allegations that are made in the files that kind of you know should be explained like a common mistake that I see going around social media this week is people it kind of gets the reason that the FBI and the president was arguing that these files shouldn't be released in the first place which is that people would take things out of context and wildly you know and think things are true that are not because they're baseless allegations made by you know some anonymous tipster but because it's an FBI file people will think it's true now I don't think that's a reason not to release these I'm extremely glad these were released idle money lies in your current account picking crumbs out of its belly button wondering should I eat them but when you start investing with monzo your money is always busy it turns on regular investments invests your spare change and tops up your stocks and shares iser it even helps you make sense of risk and return monzo the bank that gets your money moving you could get back less than you invest monzo current account required UK residents 18 plus decent seas apply what I'm saying is I've seen that phenomenon you know run away and and some of this I know is kind of baseless in terms of the factual evidence because some of the people one of the confidential human sources for example that is cited you know the first day of the drop there is this kind of bombshell claim in the this is probably the most viral post the first day of the DOJ release which was a confidential human source CHS means of FBI informant who the FBI internal memo describes how this confidential human source reported that Alan Derschowitz was a Mossad agent after every meeting he goes back and tells his FBI is Mossad handlers you know what what they talked about and you go oh my god it's an FBI confidential human source the FBI wouldn't you know pay an informant unless they found them credible for this sort of thing on the very next page of the files it says president trump I'm paraphrasing you can pull this up if you if if you want um you know president trump is controlled by the government of israel and they have I forget he says they have blackmail or something to this effect now I don't know whether either of those things are true or not I don't know what you know any more than anybody else who's done research on this certainly there's a lot of overlap between Derschowitz and the Israeli government and high level Israeli officials so in that sense if that were to be reported I don't know that it would be the who knows about whether that's true or not it's but it plays into a kind of confirmation bias that a lot of people have and so when you see that in an FBI file the first thing your instinct is if you're you know if that's your journalism beat is to is to right all about it and get millions of views and same thing there's a mega civil war right now that's happening over issues around israel it's you know you say oh my god it's been proven the FBI knows that well uh... can silver who's a journalist shortly after that published uh... a tweet containing a file that had much less engagement where he said actually I actually have a copy of this document and again I'm paraphrasing here uh... where it matches that document file number it's got the same text and it looks like the that confidential human source is chuck Johnson now I saw that and I went oh my god because one morning I woke up to a text from that very person saying this is about two years ago I'd never met him never talked to him don't have his number somehow he got mine and messaged me on signal to turn myself in because I'm going to prison he then proceeded to look up my ex-wife and make allegations that I was a massage agent because she was a she was a prostitute from a from a foreign country and involved in all these you know massage black ops type things now he didn't get the name right he found a different person with a similar spelling and he found a different person a similar spelling that uh... you know was I guess busted for prostitution or something and then makes these giant claims on social media that you know I have been like married to a foreign spy prostitute or something and then he goes on to message someone he thinks is my donor and threatened them to cut off funds because if he doesn't then I've made the intelligence community very angry and they have deputized him to tell the person he thought was my donor that the intelligence services of the United States of America will crush the businesses of someone he thought was my donor if he doesn't cut off the funds he thought that person was giving to me okay this is that confidential human source at least according to the reporting of Ken Silva that the level of things that are untrue about that uh... combined with the fact that this very person is going around uh... saying that not he's not just an FBI informant but that he actually can direct the intelligence agencies of the United States to crush someone's private practice if they don't change the you know their discretionary donations to someone like that's the person you're saying that person's uh... you know comments to a FBI officer or uh... task force prove these claims about dorsiwitz and trump i mean that's ridiculous i know first hand that there's zero credibility to those claims now they may be true or not but the fact is is you know there's there's a lot of context to all of these what is just because it's said in an FBI file does not make a true we learn that lesson and rush again we learned that lesson with the steel dossier that i think that same sort of caution and prudence should be applied with these uh... and i think ultimately the truth wins out on these things it just you know takes longer than you might want to it's so tangled you know the whole thing is just i think everybody who looks at it realizes this is a rabbit hole that just goes to the center of the earth there's so many people involved in that what do you here's the big question that people ask if there was a Jeffrey Epstein and it seems like all these things he involved it is there a Jeffrey Epstein right now that we don't know about a million of them a million of them i mean this is why i find the car this you know this is not the core of what i focus on but i find it really a really interesting field of study because it helps understand so many other u.s government institutions in the relationship between government and private business Jeffrey Epstein is part of a class of what are effectively professional fixers and this is a kind of class of professional who sits not really within a particular government or private sector institution but in the kind of sticky layer between them that connects them all and i would say that for example people like mark rich Bruce Rappaport and i can go through all these figures and who they are Robert Mayhew in these types are just good case studies in how the intelligence world the business community you know uses all like take an example of Bruce Rappaport and this is a you can pull up on screen if you want there's a great article i think it's called i think it's from 1988 or 1991 it's called intrigant high places oil pipeline Iraq and then just Bruce Rappaport it's our APP yeah here you have a pipeline deal and writing your writing your writing your writing your writing your writing your writing your writing your writing your writing your writing your writing your writing your 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Sorry, just because you have on screen, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe I'll go through this first and then I'll do the Jeff, because the Jeffrey Epstein connections. So what happened here was you had the Iranian rock war from 1980 to 1988. And Henry Kissinger had a really great quote about this because he asked, what is the US government strategy on this because it's very convoluted. And you know, why are we, why are we giving weapons to Iran when the Iranian revolution just happened in 1979 that, you know, over through what was a US government friendly government that was partially installed by the CIA in 1953. We're, we've now declared international arms embargo on them. You know, we're basically at war with the I told us, why are we, why are we giving them weapons and helping them, you know, defeat Iraq and the, you know, the issue was is we were also in a kind of war over regional hegemony and oil with with Iraq. And so Henry Kissinger's quote was, I, my only wishes that both sides would lose could lose. And so what happened was is because we didn't want Iraq to take over Iran and become effectively bigger than Saudi Arabia in the region. We were, we were funding the and giving weapons to Iran to try to fend off the much bigger Iraqi army. And then at a certain point in this, we, we began to back Iraq. We went back and forth supporting Iran, Iraq. And so that this Iraq because of the embargoes on it wanted to build a pipeline to get its oil out and it was going to pass through Jordan and it was going to a but against the border of Israel. And a major CIA contractor and CIA connected private business called Bechtel, highly, highly influential company. There's been many, many, many books written on Bechtel and Bechtel is alive and well today. If there was a saga, for example, around the Stanford Air Net Observatory, around the censorship industrial complex, when I, when I visited the Stanford Air Net Observatory and I went into the courtyard, courtyard is sponsored by Bechtel. It's, I think it's called the Bechtel courtyard. And but, but what happened was is the Bechtel was promised by Iraq a billion dollar contract in 1980, you know, 80s money for constructing this pipeline. And the Central Intelligence Agency and the White House National Security Council, both for geostrategic reasons, one of this pipeline built. The problem was as they were afraid the Israeli government was going to sabotage the pipeline because Iraq was very hostile to Israel. And there was a lot of tension between the Iraqi government and the Israeli government. And they were afraid that if Bechtel got this contract and built this pipeline that Israel would, you know, these pipelines are very fragile. And all it, because it passes close to it, it's very possible that that would, that would happen. It would destroy both the CIA's goal and the private profiteer Bechtel's goal. So how do you solve that problem? Well, what, what the CIA did is what the, what the, what the National Security Council, which is the interagency that the CIA reports do, did is they engaged a private fixer named Bruce Rappaport, who was a Swiss billionaire with close ties to the Israeli government, to back channel with the Israeli government, some sort of secret agreement that would guarantee that they would not sabotage the pipeline. And because the attorney general of the United States, you know, again, think about this as well. As I'm saying, this, think about Jeffrey Epstein and think about the character of Bill Barr, for example, who started his career for seven years at the CIA, was highly involved in the CIA's Iran Contra, and then was attorney general, both in the 1990s during the Epstein-connected BCC eye scandal and the, you know, when Jeffrey Epstein killed himself or whatever happened to him. What, so what, what happens is is, is Bruce Rappaport does indeed use his contacts with the Israeli government to strike an agreement that then allows the prod would allow the project to be greenlit, but it triggers a special prosecutor's investigation of the attorney general himself, at me, because he, one of his friends, was alleged to be in on the deal. So they, they argued that effectively there were that they, that through Bruce Rappaport, the attorney general was striking a secret agreement with Israel to profit himself, a massive conflict of interest. And what, what ended up happening is Bruce Rappaport, Rappaport stepped forward and said, no, no, no, it wasn't to profit. The, the terms weren't to profit the friend. It was the, the terms we secretly reached with Israel is that they were going to get like a 30% cut on the revenue of the pipeline, and that's what secured the buy-in. But the fact is is Bruce Rappaport was not, the, now the other part of this is that the National Security Council told the, basically the overseas development arm of the US government, US government agency to, to put American taxpayer funds to help subsidize the pipeline, that the, the Becktel pipeline. And that government agency did not want to put up something like $400 million of taxpayer funds on it, because they thought Bruce Rappaport was a very shady, Epstein-like figure who had all sorts of sorted, you know, details about his own past. So that government agency queeried the CIA for all records about Bruce Rappaport, and the CIA gave them a limited hangout. They said, oh, you know, we only have a few documents that are responsive to it and no red flags. And so, as it turned out, what the special prosecutor compelled from the CIA is that they, they had a whole dirty dossier on Bruce Rappaport. And if they had given that to the US government agency, there wouldn't, there couldn't have been support for the pipeline. Now, after all the scandal, the pipeline ended up not being built. The point is, is here you have a, the same type of person as Jeffrey Epstein, the same regions and countries that are, you know, involved in a significant part of the Epstein saga, you have the same structure of the intelligence community, private businesses, and, you know, back channel deals with government officials, but because, uh, there was no 201 file on Bruce Rappaport. He was not formally a CIA asset. He was, he was, you know, what's called a liaison, a contact, a facilitator, a friend of the station, doesn't work for the CIA. He's got his own hedge fund. He's got his own, you know, basically finance, you know, he'll invest in commodities or foreign exchange or private portfolio companies. But sometimes he'll work with the CIA. Sometimes he won't depends on whether it's good for him. And in this case, he thought it was good for him to take this, who knows what cut he himself got it on it. But the fact is, is, here, here you have the same type of, you have every layer of this from the Justice Department to the CIA, to the private financiers, to the, to the private companies, to real world geopolitical. And this appears in, in my view of it to be exactly the model that Jeffrey Epstein, uh, himself replicated and was on parallel track with for his whole career. You know, he's, and I can, I can get into that. But, but does that make sense in terms of like this type of figure exists. And basically in every country, in every industry, and, you know, they're not all as prominent as Epstein, but I would argue people like Mark Rich and at the time Bruce Rappaport kind of were, they don't all have, you know, these child sex trafficking type things. This is the thing is like what he was connected with, it makes me wonder like if he didn't have that sick thing where he liked underage girls, like if he'd never gotten arrested, which, which was what 2008 or something, but when did he initially get arrested? 2006, but, but he was, the plea deal was 2008. So if that hadn't happened, like if you just got a guy who's getting of age prostitutes, we probably never hear about this. Yeah. And this episode is brought to you by Squarespace to level up your business. You got to level up your website and Squarespace does the heavy lifting for you. Even I use it to power my website, Joe Rogan dot com is powered by Squarespace. Squarespace gives you everything you need to claim your domain, professionally showcase your offerings, grow your brand and get paid all in one place. And then you can go to squarespace.com slash Rogan for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch, use the offer code Rogan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. But that's crazy. And you can imagine very easily why, because Epstein was involved in fraudulent financial activities his entire career. He was under SEC investigation at Bear Stearns in 1980 when he was involved in a deal. I think it was St. Joe's mineral company, which is owned by Seagrams, which is owned by the the broth and family. He got in trouble with the SEC at that time. He then as soon as he's gotten trouble, he left Bear Stearns and went on his own, but then worked effectively at Bear Stearns off the book for the next decade, according to his own testimony. He had a continuous relationship with Bear Stearns for, you know, I think he said 31 years. I was basically from the moment, you know, from the 1970s, 1976 until 2007, 2008 when Bear Stearns collapsed. While Jeffrey Epstein was in jail. But then Jeffrey Epstein in it appears to me almost impossible that Jeffrey Epstein was not working on BCCI pipeline deals while he was at Bear Stearns. Bear Stearns was one of the three biggest clearing houses for BCCI transactions. BCCI is the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. Sometimes people call it the Bank of Crooks and Criminals International. It's it's an incredible saga of CIA banking gone wrong. It's a bank that was started in Pakistan in 1972 and then grew to be the CIA's main way to covertly back the Mujahadin against the Russians during the Cold War. So we backed Osama bin Laden the CIA we backed the Islamic Mujahadin the the radicals who became Al Qaeda and ISIS. With billions of dollars of CIA and MI6 and Israeli and Saudi facilitated, you know, co-support and financial funds. In order to do a Cold War operation, just like we talked about with strange bedfellows, you know, backing right wing organized crime to stop left wing communism. We did the same thing in Afghanistan through, you know, these the Pakistan Afghanistan border to run covertly run guns to the Mujahadin. In fact, you can, there's a great YouTube video that I always like to play so that you can see it for yourself. It's it's really short. You can look up 1979 is a big new Brazinski dropping out of a helicopter to tell the Mujahadin that both God and the United States government is on their side. And the reason this clip I I always think is so fun to play is because this was the very moment in 1979 that Jeffrey Epstein appears to have been involved in the BCCI financing of this very operation. So if you turn the volume up and you start at the beginning. U.S. National Security Advisor Brazinski flew to Pakistan to set about rallying resistance. He wanted to arm the Mujahadin without revealing America's role. On the Afghan border near the Kaiba pass, he urged the soldiers of God to redouble their efforts. We know of their deep belief in God. The way we are confident that their struggle will succeed. That land over there is yours. You'll go back to it one day because your fight will prevail and you'll have your homes and your mosques back again. Because your cause is right and God is on your side. Now that is the national security advisor of the United States of America. The national security advisor is the highest post in the cabinet. It is the person the president talks to every day. All intelligence, military and state craft goes through the national security advisor. That is the numero uno. And he personally in 1979, this didn't come out until years later, but we were covertly doing this. So to do a covert operation, and this is why I focus on the money side of Epstein from the 1970s to present. Because the money in any covert operation is the most essential part. It's the only thing that is irreplaceable and that if you don't have it, everything goes away. You lose one person, find another one. You lose one, you know, logistics hub can create another one with money. You lose money, you lose everything. You lose your ability to pay your informants. You lose your ability to bribe government officials. You lose your ability to win the support of local institutions. We lost Vietnam, not really so much because we lost, you know, at the kinetic war level, but because we lost the ability to fund it because they got defund it. So we literally couldn't do it anymore. And there's another great clip just to show how sophisticated CI money laundering was even by the 1960s. So I'll stop doing this after you know, running around a clip clip after this or I'll chill on it. But if you go to my ex account, you can also find this on YouTube. There's a great, I believe it was CBS in the 1960s. It's called In the Pay, I think it's called In the Pay of the CI or In the, it's, but if you type in CI money laundering, you'll see this great clip about how sophisticated CI money laundering was already by the 1950s and 60s. And the, that, because everything the CI does has to be laundered. It's a spy agency. If it writes a check, if it doesn't conceal the origins of the money, gigs up. So everything that is CIA has to move through some sort of money laundering mechanism. Well, you know, to kind of, I guess, borrow a phrase from the president, somebody's doing the money laundering. You need a, you need outside contacts who do not work at the agency or necessarily for the agency to facilitate that money laundering. And that was done through, for example, the Pakistanis with the BCCI as well as contacts and London. That is what I believe Jeffrey Epstein was doing his entire career after that from towers financial to his tenure with Leslie Wexner to kind of the way I think that he helped model the Clinton Foundation itself with the Clintons in the early 2000s. And his expertise in that I think is, is what made him useful. Really, while it's more of the connections of, I guess, donors and billionaires around him that made him the most useful. But the fact is, is he specialized when he went out on his own, formally he leaves Bear Stearns in 1981 and starts a one man group called Intercontinental Assets group out of his New York City apartment. He's not even 30 years old. Right away, he gets big level clients like Adnan Kishogi, who is the, at the time was alleged to be the world's richest man. He was the Saudi arms dealer and to give an impression of how significant this figure was in the weapons trade. Because he, he earned more in commissions from Lockheed Martin, Boeing and I think one of the other big military contractors than every other commissions agent in the entire world combined. That's why, you know, the rumors that he was the world's richest man. In fact, we actually had legislation passed because of how influential he was. He was the one who in 1983 flew to the National Security Council, to the White House, to orchestrate the Iran contra, affair. He was the Saudi middleman that was part of this operation where the United States used the Saudi middleman Adnan Kishogi to run guns to Israeli contacts to smuggle into Iran to fight off the Iraqis. You know, it's a bit of a long sequence, but effectively you can think of it as the United States and Israel will Saudi Arabia in the middle. Now, Adnan Kishogi was one of the major clients of the CIA's BCCI bank and he was the host of the CIA's offshore operation that was created in 1976 called the Safari Club. In 1975, 1976, when the CIA started getting handcuffs put on it with the church committee hearings. The Safari Epstein starts his career at barastarance in 1976, the very moment of the biggest shakeup of the CIA and CIA history. At that moment, the church committee hearings were ongoing and the public was seeing, you know, Colby and Angleton holding up a heart attack gun, you know, how the CIA can kill someone and make it look like they died organically of a heart attack. Operation chaos had just broke about the CIA funding student groups on American college campuses, Coentel broke, MK Ultra broke. It was one house of ours after another on everybody's TV that only had three news stations. And so Democrats were completely fired up about getting rid of the CIA or putting massive handcuffs on it, which is what they did. They created effectively what's now the Senate and House Intelligence Committee. So there's oversight of the CIA by the people's representatives. The first year Carter was in office in 1977, went through what was called the Halloween Massacre, fired 30% of all CIA operations personnel. They massively cut funding. And so in response to this, you had a set of stakeholders who wanted that CIA dirty work to still be doable, but they didn't have the legal authorization to run it out of the CIA. So what they did is they took the same group of international partners that they had been that the CIA had been working with. That includes Saudi Arabia, Israel, the UK, France, at the time Iran, because this was before the 1979 Iranian Revolution. They were all a part of this thing called the Safari Club, which got its name from the Mount Safari. It was basically a resort club in Kenya, which was the main hub. Just like Colombia, for example, it was kind of the main, was the main US government hub for logistics. It was kind of a foothold for our ability to do work in Venezuela or Guatemala or Nicaragua or Brazil. In Africa, Kenya was our main stronghold. And so, but on the Kishokie brand, that this was basically a seven eight country joint covert operations intelligence network. And it was informal. It wasn't technically the CIA. And it was set up in rest. You can pull the Wikipedia for this, actually. It just so you don't need to take my word for it. Like literally the sanitized Wikipedia will tell you everything that I'm saying here. And it ended up that network ended up becoming one of the main. Yeah, so if you start at the top, you'll see that there it is on the right this far club. It was a covert alliance of intelligence services formed in 1976 that ran clandestine operations in Africa. Now what they're leaving out here is that it was also Asia played a huge role in Pakistan and Afghanistan and the like. But these were all these different countries attempt to offset the restrictions that the Democrats had put on the CIA. When Reagan gets back to power in 1981, you still have these handcuffs on the on the CIA. You still have the Democrats controlling the House of Representatives. The Democrats did, you know, so there was international arms embargo. First of all, in 1979, Iranian Revolution happens and it's blamed on the CIA being cut back. The CIA helped install the shop in 1953. They argued that if Jimmy Carter hadn't destroyed the CIA, we would still have Iran as a friendly country. We could have stopped this. We could have nipped it in the bud. We could have had people on the ground. It's Jimmy Carter's fault that he cut the CIA that were in this disaster with the world's third largest reserve of oil and gas. And this hugely geostrategic country now being an enemy of America rather than a friend. The, the so in international arms embargo was put on Iran, but then Iraq threatened to invade it. And we didn't want Iraq to take it over. So we had to get, we had to do something illegal if we wanted to help Iran. And it was against international law to give them weapons, but if we didn't give them weapons, it was perceived massive geostrategic geopolitical earthquake that we live with for centuries. So you had to do one illegal action with with the gun running. And then there was an inner party dispute. The Democrats at that time, the majority did not want to do intervention. And in Nicaragua, there was an in party power called the Sandinista government. And there was a rebel faction called the Contras. And Republican donors and stakeholders had had interest in Nicaragua and wanted to help the Contras overthrow the Sandinista government. But there was a party dispute. Democrat donors didn't profit from that. And they at the time had a fairly robust anti imperialism kind of mindset. And we're sick of CIA regime change and by the early 1980s after everything that was disclosed in just the previous years. So Republicans wanted to overthrow the Nicaragua governments. Democrats didn't. Democrats had a house majority and they passed something called the Bolin Amendment, which forbade any US government funds from going to support the Contras. So this put the Republicans in a pickle. By the way, this is what's happening kind of today around Ukraine, if you flip the parties. A hundred percent of Democrats vote for Ukraine funding. The Republican party is split about it. This is the inverse of that was happening in the early 1980s. A hundred percent of Republicans wanted to fund the Contras against what they called the Soviet aligned Sandinistas. And the Democrats were split. But but they successfully passed this Bolin Amendment. So the CIA was in a pickle. How do you run guns to Iran when it's against international law? And how do you fund the Contras when it's illegal to spend the time in the country? It's illegal to spend US government money to fund them. And so what they came up with is effectively the structure, I think it's the most useful structure for understanding American state craft and intelligence activity to this day. What they came up with is what they called a structure called the enterprise, which the CIA director Bill Casey referred to as a private self sustained off the shelf stand alone entity that did not exist within the US government. But was instead it comprised the money came from outside fixers who would then effectively channel donor money and black market trade to fund the Contras. So the money didn't come from US taxpayers it didn't come from USA it didn't come from an allocation from the US Department of War or were foreign assistance from the Department of State. As it turned out the money came from cocaine and and a couple of other things but you know that this was the you know the famous fruit of Ricky Ross. Yeah Gary Webb you know John Kerry and this was the soup that Jeffrey Epstein was was coming up in and a funny story related to this is that the the main airline used to transport the drugs and guns in the drugs for cash for guns operation was a CIA proprietary airline called Southern Air Transport. Southern Air Transport was was the proprietary CIA airline meaning owned and operated exclusively by the Central Intelligence Agency and it was the you know the airline that all these aircraft went move through. Iran Contra was basically the early 1980s up until like the mid late 1980s in 19 it was it was based in Miami in 1994 Southern Air Transport the CIA proprietary airline which in the intervening time was spun out to not be owned by the CIA but rather to be owned by someone who had worked for the CIA at the time it was owned by the CIA. So you know pretty thin layer there but it moved from Miami to Columbus Ohio primarily to service the limited. I know all about this Joe I have a I have a video on this and over at Jamie because he's obsessed yeah and obsessed with Patel. Yeah yeah well there's a great article I think Spook Air and you know on this but how many roads lead back to Ohio most most of not what is what is this connection with Ohio well Ohio was you know if you remember kind of the origins of organized crime in the United States. It really goes back to the prohibition era when you had this Midwestern mafia syndicate around Cincinnati and then it moved into Dayton and Columbus and adjacent to Chicago and this whole sort of hub around prohibition and then prohibition was 1920 to 1933 when prohibition ended all these networks went from black market alcohol. Black market alcohol to black market drugs because it was no longer black market they no longer had a business smuggling alcohol so they they moved into the narcotic space which which which narcotics well it was primarily opium in the 1930s this was part of opium well yeah if you because in the 1930s was when you had this you know as we discussed the department of wars alliance with Changha Shaq and the and the Quomantang the Chinese nationalists the supply for you know the supply for heroin for example or you know opium it comes from Asia comes from the Golden Crescent the Golden Triangle and the way this logistics chain moved was our CIA war department backed rebel groups in Asia. The sat terror tourally on the golden triangle they would cultivate the opium they would basically fly it out on military aircraft it went to Europe for processing in France that was one of the main you know this is this kind of French connection saga which again Jeffrey Epstein is weirdly connected to when I can tell you about that if you're interested and then it would go to the basically Italian mafia folks. For the trans shipment and you had Italian mafia controlled docs and ports in the United States and New York and New Jersey and you had you know CIA protected Italian mafia groups in southern Italy which at the time were. National security protected because they were our allies against the communist and so you had this this drug trade to support foreign policy. Imperatives and you can do that you can run that exercise with pretty much every drug on planet earth at this point and it makes it very difficult to stop the drug trade because by stopping the drug trade you are. You're running up against something that your own government considers. Perhaps unfortunate but necessary logistics hub do you think right now with Mexico yeah. Well. Why me think about this fast and furious yeah is that long ago the fast and furious story is fucking bananas tell to people that don't know because just the idea that they propose this and implement it is so. Fucking crazy yeah well so this was a scandal during the Obama administration Eric holder was the attorney john the United States he had to step down because he was held in contempt of Congress for jumping on the grenade and not turning over the fast and furious files. Earth to Congress note to Congress who wants to be a hero by the way you can do the same thing with the Epstein bill. With the fast and furious files. I think everybody in this war on drugs that we you know we're so gung ho about we just captured the president Venezuela over drugs it would be awfully nice if you can tell the Justice Department FBI to turn over the Justice Department FBI run fast and furious files. But what happened was is and I believe this had inner agency approval meaning the the White House signed off on it the Central Intelligence Agency signed off on it the Department of Defense signed off on it the State Department signed off on it the FBI and ATF signed off on it this was a gun running operation to send guns to the Cinelloa cartel to to have them be able to successfully win a. Narco drug war against the Los Zetas cartel the Los Zetas cartel was pilfering oil pipelines remember Mexico the oil wealth of the United States is vastly disproportionately concentrated in Texas. In West Texas and southern Texas with where it shares oil fields with Mexico effect those those oil fields go into Mexico is replete with oil and there are many partnerships between United States oil companies. And the Mexican government uh Pemex and and all the different you know kind of private private lines and this is a big point of geopolitical contention but the fact is is one of the things that organized crime groups do in order to get money for their own syndicate because they've got effectively military control of a territory is if a pipeline runs through that territory they can simply cut open the pipeline and steal the oil this is for example what you know what was happening with our CIA backed rebel groups in Syria we're taking the oil I mean we would literally you know our our spunky moderate rebels would you know literally cut open Syrian pipelines and take the oil and this was one of the ways to support it you know you can support it with drugs you can support it with black market oil and by the way I well I'm on the topic if you if you pull up and I have this on my my ex if you type in institute institute for peace or just type in institute peace drugs the the US government the US Institute for Peace told the Taliban not to shut down the drug trade after they took power in 2022 they said it would have a devastating you know negative impact on the you know the local economy if they didn't keep growing what was then you know 90 95% of the well yeah if you well I think click the next image wait next image yeah here you go so this is it this is a you know we give the US Institute peace at the time we gave them $55 million a year the US Institute peace was created by active Congress and I just said the headlight is wild the Taliban successful opium ban is bad for Afghans and the world yes right right so now remember just about you know the Taliban had just taken back power that happened in the you know in the early Biden administration the Taliban if folks recall cut so we the CIA was help and and the US military as well as their allies and with regional allies were cultivating the opium on the golden crescent for a noble cause to win the cold war against the evil Soviets this was a big part of the funding for the mujahideen and this was one of the big scandals that ended up enveloping BCCI the CIA's bank because it was the way because it was non compliant with any banking regulations it all moved offshore the drug money the drug logistics chain that the CIA built for the mujahideen then moved through the drugs money laundering chain at the CIA bank and this apparatus had scaled for 20 years by the by the late 1990s when the Taliban like the Chinese wanted to shut it down when the Taliban took power in the 1990s and they did that they cut the opium down to effectively zero in 1999 and this is all open source into and then you know we we invade Afghanistan and you know 2001 2003 it becomes a US military occupied zone and it goes from 0% of the world's heroin to 95% of the of the world's heroin all under US military occupation in fact we installed their dictator you know who whose brother was was the main drug kingpin of the whole country it's and some of this move through some of this move through the cold war CIA backed Turkish grey wolves outfit and there's a funny quote I think in the Michael Hastings article on Stanley McChrystal where Stanley McChrystal's team refers to Hamid Karzai's funny little hat that he wore Hamid Karzai was the CIA installed you know strong man after we took over Afghanistan he referred to his hat as the grey wolves for China I mean they're basically saying like this is the you know the drug logistics orifice but leaving that aside what what I'm getting to is is you you have this this banking network you have all these logistics chains Jeffrey Epstein his first ten when his come up is made through this through this whole network it turns out the bear sturns you opened a trading desk with to clear BCCI transactions in 1970 1978 Jeffrey Epstein's mentor the person who actually recruited him to apply to bear sturns was a guy named A Screamberg A Screamberg then was a senior executive at the time and then I think in 1978 or 1979 he becomes CEO so the head of bear sturns so Jeff and he sets Jeffrey Epstein up with his daughter so Jeffrey Epstein is a is a young kid people wonder how did Jeffrey Epstein make partner at bear sturns so fast those are couple explanations you know one is the guy who brought him into the firm quickly became CEO thereafter and Jeffrey Epstein was dating his daughter the New York Times actually reported this about a month and a half ago by getting the insider testimony of a dozen people who worked at the work to bear sturns at the time and so you know he's dating the boss's daughter but also A Screamberg is the CEO would have to approve all of these transactions and it looks like was involved in you know these these clearinghouse activities what happened was is bear sturns cleared about 13 billion dollars worth of BCCI transactions and it looks like these transactions were involved in the very same odd non kashoggi society and Douglas who is a British arms dealer that Jeffrey Epstein was flying to London to meet with and working with all those years and they and be and bear sturns was doing it through this entity called capcom which was what the the Senate report on the BCCI scandal referred to as the bank within the bank of BCCI so kind of the inter sanctum of now that capcom was was owned by Kamal Adam who was the head of he was the chief spy for Saudi Arabia so he was so bear sturns bear sturns the New York Times reports based on a dozen of these you know insider you know testimonies they got like three of Epstein's bosses on the record to talk about you know what he was doing there amazingly the New York Times does not mention a single deal name in the entire 20,000 word report it's why does he does it might not be news fit to print also they just I'll I can be charitable and say they might they just might not know they might think that you know I don't think that the New York Times has a pinky of the specialization in Jeffrey Epstein cinematic universe knowledge that your random anonymous egg account on X has so they might not know about bear sturns doing BCCI transactions they might not know what you know if you don't know the material you don't necessarily know what to ask that's me being charitable also the you know some of the witnesses may have said that they don't want to talk about specific deal names because that would tarnish you know the folks involved in that deal for association with Jeffrey Epstein there could be a lot of reasons I'm trying to be charitable here but but the fact is is they all said Jeffrey Epstein moved up so fast because he was dating the boss's daughter and he was put on the biggest and most lucrative deals very quickly within the firm. And given the incredible volume that bear sturns was appears to have been moving through BCCI and BCCI being you know the hottest ticket in town then in the late 1970s it was literally the main vehicle for the US government to covertly longer funds at Capcom according to the Senate intelligence report and the D and the justice department investigations was the main vehicle for funding the Mujahideen 50% of those trades and they they laundered it illegally with which requires a brokerage you know a clearing house to prove it. The way this is set up is you have a you have a bank you've you've got a money laundering and you've got a clearing house the bank was the C.I. Bank BCCI the money laundering was the C.I.s. literal direct partner in this the Saudis Capcom was run by the chief Saudi spy master and then in 1982 Jeffrey Epstein obtained a fake Saudi passport. Sorry it was a fake Austrian passport because that was a big loophole passport during the Cold War for spies but said his residence was Saudi Arabia we didn't find this out until 2019 when his safe was rated but that exact time Jeffrey Epstein has this fake Saudi passport. And it's it's being done to support the C.I. A. backed rebel group the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. But that requires a clearing house to clear those money laundering trades they're using these mirrored commodities trades which is this you know technique of basically you know selling to yourself to to make money look clean so that it looks like. You know profit and you know it looks like you you won or lost it in a market trade rather than through drug money and then they were then sending that on you know to to the Mujahideen but the fact is is at the same time that that was happening on an Kishoggi who would become Jeffrey Epstein's client in the 1980s when he went on his own was the one facilitating the weapons. You have this drugs for cash for guns the person to the so the bank that's moving the that's turning the drugs into clean cash that the head of the you saw the Saudi spy master is running that part of the banking side. And then you've got the Saudi Saudi arms dealer who is moving it illegally into Iran working hand in glove with the CIA and the national security council the whole time you have a you have a illegal financial enterprise protected the highest level by the United States government the US intelligence services. And by proxy the justice department itself can you imagine the justice department prosecuting it while that operation was ongoing. Any defendant you know here's you asked what what are the what are the great reveals in in the JFK files and I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up the case of Orlando Massfer there's an incredible document in the JFK files that that to seek a bird released last year which is a CIA document. The description of the document that describes I think the quote is massive damage if the if the justice department pursues a criminal case against the guy named Orlando Massfer if you just type in Orlando Massfer JFK files 2025 release or like massive damage or something like that you'll you'll see this it's an unbelievably incredible document what it documents is that there was a dispute between the CIA and the state department. The CIA is not is supposed to serve covertly the the the state department the the CIA is the junior seat of the table nobody ever goes from being you know head of the state department head of the CIA that's a that's a demotion the CIA is supposed to be kind of the I use like the you know sopranos reference you know Silvio comes in and she you know shakes down the hairdresser. She's not a shop or whatever for the money it owes the family if you are that hairdresser it's easy to think that Silvio runs the mafia because he's the one who shows up at your house breaks your windows breaks your knuckles and takes your money. But Silvio is not doing that because he runs it he's doing it because the person setting the policy of the enterprise Tony is the boss of it the way it's supposed to work is the state department sets policy. And the CIA does or organizes the possibly not able 30 work to achieve it if that is necessary to achieve that foreign policy. This is why there was a lot of debate in 1948 about whether the CIA should even take on this role this is this great 1948 George Ken and memo that says maybe we should do have a office within the state department called the inog called the you know bureau of organized political warfare. And then two months later they decided the CIA would you know we would take that but the fact is is it's basically a state department function but see I supposed to defer to state. But what happened was is there was a factional dispute between state and CIA over over Cuba policy. The the state department wanted thought that the CIA backed rebel groups in Miami were being too aggressive and to to provocative too hot headed you know doing acts of terrorism and sorts of things that look bad to the international community JFK was trying to rain them in. But the CIA the careers and folks there wanted to take a more aggressive posture and so one of the CIA's key assets and ring leaders had logistics hub with a massive CIA back Cuban exile community network at that time in the early 1960s in Miami. Wanted thought that JFK was being too impatient too cautious they wanted to invade basically a section of Haiti. Departing from Miami to use that as a base to then do Connecticut tax against Cuba the state department learned that this CIA back network led by the land of mass was going to do this. And stopped it with a customs and border agent basically he was like manning the docs and caught them as like 300 of them were you know departing to try to take over a part of Haiti to do this and then the state department directed the justice department to pursue criminal charges against Orlando mass. In steps the CIA and you know if you if you can find this memo you know it's M.A.S. for I think it's F.E. R.R. you are Orlando mass for. It's a. If you if the title of it is is like massive damage that would that would accrue. You can probably also just find on or just yes what are just massive damage. There you go estimate of damage which could accrue to see I Miami through prosecution of the Orlando mass for Haitian invasion group again we just learned the existence of this document last year. This is from nineteen the nineteen sixties now it says the decision by the justice department to seek a grand jury indictment against Orlando mass for and certain of his associates is a potentially explosive matter which could result in extensive damage to see I activities of Miami. Recent address publicity on the national scene and in the Miami area have added substantially to the already sizable embarrassment potential can you imagine what these mammals look like for Jeffrey Epstein some of the main sectors of danger to see I equities are described below. Basic national publicity regarding student and foundation topics have already attracted attention of the local press to the CIA in general usually any reference to see I covert activities leads to leads pressed to check files for references of any such activities locally. However before this action can be taken the story regarding and then he goes over the panampan am foundation the university Miami which was what hosted J.M. Wave the University of Miami. Miami then the C.I. is largest station house in the world it was called J.M. Wave was hosted in a facility off of the University of Miami campus. Again the biggest C.I. station house in the entire world the C.I. so it goes on to say that okay there have been all these. The top paragraph is saying we're under a lot of pressure justice department the public is already losing support for the C.I. because of all these other disclosures. And it will be disastrous if you if if you pursue the prosecution of him because. The C.I. is going to squeal so I think if you go out of the next page. He says as has been the case for the past six years and they says basically the C.I. has been working with the head of the president and treasure of the University of Miami they're extending the the cooperation and all this so basically all these touch points that Orlando Masters network connects to will be exposed and they go over all these. What were previously redacted C.I.A. cutouts in the area and then it goes on the memo says even if the above circumstances don't exist. We would remain concerned regarding the possible effects of the prosecution of the mass work group although no station agents or persons with whom the Miami station has contractual arrangements are among the persons arrested or those who will be prosecuted. It will be very easy for the defense to drag C.I.A. Miami into the case. The defense has only to obtain testimony true or perjured. They can see will be true from one of the defendants or some in as defense witnesses one or more disaffected former agents of the C.I.A. station in order to begin a chain reaction. Surfacing such detail and rumor concerning C.I.A. operations against the Cuban target given the size of a reduction of infiltration and a general feeling of frustration lack of support for Cuban freedom attributed to passive U.S. policy. Basically saying it would undermine our you know entire operation against Cuba and the American people support for it. If the justice department indicts these people who just committed this crime because they can very the whole network of C.I.A. and they can just call to the stand that their friends and associates had been talking with the C.I. about this well before they had done it and that would be a massive scandal. Now that's just one example here what goes on to happen is there's a negotiation between the State Department C.I.A. about whether to bring the case how to bring the case how to shape there's a follow-up memo on this which is totally incredible that I think is more the logistics on this. The agreement they reach is that the State Department wins nominally they do bring the prosecution but they bring it in a highly limited and tepid way and they agree to the C.I.A. is demands to limit lines of inquiry to to file motions against entering anything into discovery that might. Basically reveal the C.I.A. networks in this and they agree to have C.I.A. general counsel person on the prosecution team in order to personally make sure that the Justice Department stays in line and if something looks like if the judge grants discovery for something that might reveal the C.I.A. is rolling it drop that line of prosecution so that it can't be entered into evidence and this this is. This is what you see time and again is the is how these networks get protected whether it's drug cases whether it's you know foreign policy scandal cases whether it's money laundering cases. I believe in the Mark Rich case part of I think is lawyer cited at one point or maybe it was in his pardon application the work that he had done for US intelligence services as part of the reason that he should be granted leniency. But the point I'm getting to here is given Jeffrey Epstein's involvement in the B.C.C.I. network given Jeffries involvement in the 1990s with all the foreign policy activities happening in the Middle East at that time given Jeffrey Epstein's you know involvement through you know the early 2000s Clinton era and everything given his involvement in everything from Israeli to Saudi to British to French high level government officials can you Jeffrey Epstein was investigated by the SEC in the 90s. The SEC in the 1980s he was one he was one of the two people who part who ran the biggest Ponzi scheme in history at the time in the United States the towers financial collapse Epstein's business partner goes to jail for like 30 years or 20 years or whatever. Epstein's case completely free Epstein gets involved in this huge fraud in the US Virgin Islands with this you know like billion dollar fraud case in the US Virgin Islands never prosecute for any of it. Why is that well one is you know he may have caught we know in the US Virgin Islands case he was sponsoring the campaign space basically the politicians there the prosecutors answered the politicians could be that. But it I would be shocked if they're in 40 years of this where's Waldo forest gump he's always in the room in 40 years of American foreign policy and intelligence activity money sourcing for that for all the crimes that Epstein committed the concern was the same one they had with Orlando mass for. Don't bring the case and if you do bring it in a highly limited way and that's exactly what happened in 2006 the first time he was indicted everybody was up in arms that it was a sweetheart plea deal it limited it gave protection to all co conspirators known and unknown. And and it was swooped in quickly before you know there was a trial and full. So that lines of evidence couldn't be opened about the network it's just crazy that statutory rape is what took it all down right because it's it's underaged hand jobs right that's what took it all down. Yeah I mean I well it seems to be what took Jeffrey Epstein down kind of crazy even that is has a really interesting geopolitical history there was a similar scandal in the early 2000s with a private military contractor called Dine Corp which again runs through this odd non cashogee kind of Middle Eastern network Dine Corp got in trouble. For trafficking facilitating that the traffic is a you know major US military and CIA contractor for logistics and the institutional support and military assistance on the ground for the US military all over the world they got in trouble. And then in trouble moving basically trafficking underage kids to Middle Eastern shakes and I believe the in in the early 2000s and I believe the reason that was alleged by Congress that they did that was to juice the deals with them that basically you know these these people who were critical. You know if you're operating on the ground in Kuwait or you know pick your Middle Eastern you know country. In order to serve your purpose for the US government to be this outside plausibly deniable but extensively infrastructure professional support outfit on the ground you need the sport of the local government need the sport of the local high level officials they need to be happy. And there's several currencies for that there's financial payoffs and there's other things they might like like parties and young women. You know especially in places where you know being with the very young female is not illegal and so what Dine Corp I believe got busted doing and you can look up the Dine Corp scandal here was was doing this and I believe their argument was well you wanted us to do this thing on the ground. You wanted us to help the US military and you know kind of covert support nodes that were ever happening here. We had to do it somehow you know this is part of what helped us do that I would not be surprised at the Epstein trafficking apparatus started with similar motivations. Not you know that it's not for necessarily for black male but because it makes clients or customers or you know VIP people happy it makes that it makes them oh you something makes them want to get involved in a deal you do even if the deal is not one they would ordinarily do because they just want to stay close to you because you're their supplier of the thing you know of their vice of the thing that they you know want to do. They you know want but can't get you know if you're if you're a 70 year old billionaire you can't walk into a bar and what leave aside the underage thing you can't walk into a bar you know in you know meet 18 year old is you know I'm present I'm present you know these things are facilitated that at private parties and it needs to you know for a lot of these guys has to be discrete you know they've got wives they've got reputations. And you know that there's an aspect of this that plays out at every institution I worked at a New York law firm and you know there's there's ways that you can make partner you know at least this was kind of the vibe that I felt like some people make partner because they're really good technically what they do they're just amazing they're just technical whizzes on the minutia of how to structure a merger or acquisition they you know they're just really great at structuring an all. Offshore banking transaction or the really they just know absolutely everything about tax law there's some people who move up because of nepotism you know they're the brother and the sun in law of a major partner there's some people who make partner because they know one they brought in one client who's just a really big main rainmaker and there's some people who move up because they open doors to partners while their associates they introduce them to someone they host events they've got a lot of money. They've got you know tickets to exclusive things and the partners just like being around that person because they get access to that person in a currency that they can't get on their own and that includes hosting you know cool exotic parties having you know attractive women I I've never been convinced that the central role of the Epstein young girl in my view side by the way I'm going to say that I'm going to be a great partner. I'm going to be a great partner of the Epstein money laundering story is is that it was for blackmail I and part of this is because the moment Jeffrey Epstein formally officially threatened somebody with blackmail and that person tells his wife and that wife tells her friends and that gets out to somebody else that knows Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein's access goes away overnight that's the sort of thing that even a rumor of that spreading and nobody else is going to want to do business with them. So you think people just assume it's blackmail because that is how you would blackmail someone especially under age girls. It is very possible that there could have been indirect blackmail meaning Epstein passes it on to an intelligence service to you know to corporate espionage client or something and they use that for their own purposes but even then I mean imagine for example if you know like on the Bill Gates thing. Bill Gates gets an email I have a video of you sleeping with this person and you know or somebody much lower level the moment they send that to the press if you know in order to they figure they have nothing to lose I mean there's not been anybody in the seven years that's transpired who said I've been I was personally blackmailed by Jeffrey Epstein. I don't think because the moment you do that nobody comes to your parties anymore nobody you lose all the access you lose all the deal flow you lose all the good will that you've generated because this rumor people are very risk of verse especially at that level right but just to have it over their head and never use it though. Well I think I think that what you could have is because he does his own nefarious stuff he could compile it so that if they ever go out if they ever threaten him with something he's now got something on them and I've seen some correspondence that you know in the files that that that looks like that might not be an impossible scenario. Do you think that's how Jeffrey Epstein got in that position in the first place that they knew he had this kink. No not at all I mean Anna Kishoggi had the same thing I don't know Kishoggi was run around with dozens of young and you know apparently underage girls it you know the whole time I think that Jeffrey Epstein probably learned you know how powerful that can be through through that network seeing that that's that's what powerful people do that gives them something that gets them a lot of local influence and gets wins them a lot of favor. That's a very specific illicit desire to want underage people well I very how do you even find out that someone's into that well I don't think that the majority or anything close to it of the women were technically I mean I think it was largely young very young you know barely legal so to speak but and I know that there were cases of underage but I you know I think I think I think I think I think I'm not going to be a good example of that. Most of it was just most of it was just very very young but not not like like like twenty or not like thirteen type of type thing and then yeah remember because this is an international enterprise and many of the clients are like in countries that don't necessarily have the same norms about that that we do you can very easily see someone getting involved in that just because girls juice deals and so I don't think that Epstein. I've not seen evidence and in my view you don't need any of that to understand the core part of the Epstein story that is relevance to your life today in terms of your own government and the workings of power and corporate finance and like but I do think that girls juice deals and the fact that he had the coolest parties on a private island with the honest girls. I think this girl is something that makes a lot of intellectuals stimulating conversation scientists all these very interesting people so that was part of the thing right that was the draw try hosting a cool party as a guy with that with with a bad ratio so to speak. I was with a sausage party with a sausage party and when you develop a reputation for having attractive women at the parties you host you become an and you become an important person to know in the network because basically every male has that has a desire for attractive women not saying underage obviously but that is like a universal. Biological desire for men to beat want to be around attractive women what did they do for gay guys. I have no idea. Is that a part of the file or the the lore. I've not seen evidence of it I or if I have I can't recall it offhand but again to point is he's throwing these very attractive cool parties to get all these people together. But that's what chooses deals right if you take the scenario Epstein's running a fund a a donor a colleague someone that he'd like to do a favor for or an intelligence service says hey. We're trying to get a pipeline built in the Middle East. We need a you know a facilitator to help arrange private outside funding for it so this thing can be constructed. It doesn't look like it's coming from the US government or just will but you know will the US government will provide some sort of loan guarantee or something on it but we can't raise enough money to do this it needs to come from the outside but it would really help American national security and there's probably something in it for you. So this is what the US government has done Epstein then goes out and says to then puts out basically tries to make contact with people in his network who might be interested in that deal and then goes and see goes out to five people. Two of them are in the space locally the deal terms look good they want to do it 100% no hesitation. And then two people say well listen it's a good idea and concept but I don't know the risk profile on it looks a little high this normally is not would not be something that my team would clear we know it's interesting but you know I. It's just it's a little rich from my blood in terms of the risk profile but Jeffrey Epstein asked them to do it and Jeffrey Epstein you know for the past three years of their lives has been. And the best weekend they've ever had has you know has made them feel alive again in their you know mid 50s or 60s has you know has opened all sorts of other deals for you know for them and this deal might work out so if I'm afraid that if I say no to Jeffrey Epstein on this deal I'm not going to get an invite to the next party I'm not going to be able to get laid again with like you know a girl that I with you know women I find attractive or that I'm going to get. But you know yada yada and Epstein hooks those up I will do I'll get in on this deal just because I want to be in the good graces of Jeffrey Epstein not you know because the deal as a stand alone thing it's because it's juiced by the girls the parties the lifestyle that Epstein allows you to have access to. But in the public I've a narrative is underage girls and this is the thing that makes it so disgusting when people talk about it everyone says fuck kids on the island this is the this is the the big conspiracy about it and this is the reason why people are so outraged about it. But my concern with the runaway train on that is that it's a massive man hunt for something that it may be true to me it's a it's a it's a needle in the haystack it might be true good luck looking for it and when I think about it logically with the role that Epstein played. Between BCCI Iran Contra Latin American politics African politics Asian politics major you know world foundations on you don't need. It would seem. Luda Chris to me that Epstein. Doesn't mean it's possible. But logistically if Epstein ever directly threaten someone proactively that is if the person tries to blackmail Epstein Epstein could you know reactively say well I've got I've got shit on you too. But proactively and really really do someone in like that. And word gets around that that happens. Everything everything he built goes at the whole roll it X finds out and then even if the rumors not even if that rumor isn't even if he didn't if that rumor existed. People aren't going to want to go to the parties because now that's not like an unfettered good time that is like oh he did this to this guy I know right and so. In the fact that you know these sorts of things they have a value. They well way beyond blackmail they have they have a value in terms of bringing people in network and keeping clients and customers happy and providing access and I think. I think that the the focus on that listen if there were if there were any sort of receipts whatsoever on that after all these years. If there was like something really good to chew on on that on that thread I'm very I'm open minded about it but my concern is the fixation on this you think about the sort of pie chart of what the Epstein Cinematic Universe can tell you about the world. Even if it's true it's a very very very small fraction of that and this gets back to in 1999 I mentioned. Jeffrey Epstein. Foyard the central intelligence agency in 1999. For all records about himself. And then he did it again in 2011 now Jeffrey Epstein was not a public figure at all in 1999 he didn't come into public awareness public attention until 2001 2002 when he started flying. When he flew bill Clinton around post presidency bill Clinton around. On his Africa tour around the time of the start of the Clinton Foundation and everyone was wondering whoa who's who's this eccentric billionaire who is personally flying around on his private jet the president of the United States for the past eight years and that's when you know the Jeffrey Epstein celebrity story started but he was a private figure in 1999 when he foiled the central intelligence agency for records and then we just learn this in the files this week. The the response we don't actually have the underlying what's in the files is a 2011. Foyard response to Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer Jeffrey Epstein did this through his lawyer using the privacy act this is a way to basically kind of anonymously FOIA the the CIA to basically keep communications between the CIA and your lawyer for information you're entitled to under the privacy act about about yourself. And we don't have the underlying letter in the files tragically and for whatever reason but we but what we do have because I would expect that to be an enclosure to the CIA response but the fact is is anybody who wants to be a hero right now I have it up on my on my ex account I have in the thread that I did on this the reference the file reference numbers these are not classified documents FOIA responses are not classified so anybody right now can FOIA the central intelligence agency for all records and communications related to the CIA's. These written communications with Jeffrey Epstein via his lawyer both in 1999 to 2011 but the 2011 what it says is we have received your request for your client Jeffrey Epstein's records search under the Freedom of Information Act. We've granted the request to search for all open and acknowledged agency affiliations between Jeffrey Epstein and the CIA. We have run that search and the answer is no documents are responsive to the request and that says in the next paragraph with respect to your request that touches on classified classified documents we can neither confirm nor deny the existence or not. The existence or none existence of of any such documents so you can consider this a partial denial of your FOIA request. Now what's so interesting about that is you may think if you read that that Jeffrey Epstein you just requested any public facing links between him and the CIA or you know what just a general you know what do you have on me that the public can search just to see first of the fact they did not have any information about the information about the CIA. First of all the fact they did that alone twice in 1999 to those limits says something but the you might think okay well he just wants to know if other people might think that he's CIA you know he's he's moving up in the world in 1999 he's about to be a massive public figure he wants to know if other people FOIA the CIA for records on him what they will see. And but that it turns out that response to a FOIA partial granting of the FOIA to look for open and acknowledged agency links and partial glow mar can neither confirm nor deny existence none existence is a stock CIA FOIA response whenever you FOIA the CIA for someone's personnel files which leads to the question because the fact that the CIA says we we are consider this a denial of your request for classified for things that touch on classified matters means that he asked he didn't just ask for all open in and acknowledged links between the CIA and himself. He asked for something and whatever that thing was it touched on something classified there would have been no glow mar if if there would have been nothing to deny about the request if it had only been limited to open and acknowledged links to me this is a bombshell and should prompt Rokana and Thomas Massey and the 427 members of the House of Representatives and 100% of the U.S. Senate to pass up at the same bill that the United States Congress did in 1992 for for all for the JFK records collection act when the CIA was forced by law to stand up an independent auditing body to review all classified records relating to the JFK assassination for the first time ever. And then declassify them over months and years through the work of that independent board of the existence of this correspondence we just learned about this week alone should prompt a 427 to one and 100% Senate to do the same thing they just did with the OJ files for CIA originated files. That's actionable immediately who's going to want to be on the other side of that Congress. No the CIA's records about Jeffrey Epstein prolific child sex track however you want you know whatever you see in the Rorschach inkblot test of the Epstein universe. I think it would be very hard to be if that bill gets introduced for a sitting member of Congress to be on the other side of it I think it would pass and it would legally compel the CIA to turn over what I think are quite possibly arguably very likely 40 years of CIA documents referencing Epstein the CIA would not be doing its job if it didn't have records about Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was a counter intelligence threat with all the foreign countries that he was dealing with if he had been a double agent sort of thing the CIA would not be doing a job if it was not keeping the sea Epstein's network was a key financial logistics hubs in highly geopolitical sensitive areas of operation of the CIA. The economics division of the CIA let alone you know the operations division is going to have to you know keep analysts informed about money flows in those countries and when you add and then you add in the fact that he represented on on Kishoggi's money who was the CIA's main point person for 10 years. The literal central linchpin in his money is being had there's no way and you now have a legal mechanism to enforce C.I.D. classification if Congress forces it now the other part of it is okay why so the CIA turned this over before you could argue it's a Orlando Mass for a case it would embarrass the agency it would mean in Congress they're funding is going to get. Decimated because there toxic you can argue it's foreign governments that don't want the but part of this the CIA is not allowed to do this unless the Congress forces them is a classified documents I mean it could. You know chair to leave volunteer to od and I by conducting you know an internal task force that voluntarily you know ask to see gathered to declassify these. I wouldn't hold your breath on that but this is immediately actionable and it would solve the mystery all we need is one brave member of Congress to get the ball rolling and stand up that bill and you can just copy paste the 1992 JFK records collection act and just substitute JFK for Jeffrey Epstein. What's your take on the circumstances around his death. I don't know. I it's weird that they took a guy who is one of those high profile defendants ever and you put him in jail with a mass murder. Yeah. Yeah kind of crazy you put him in jail with a cop who killed drug dealers a juiced up gigantic cop. Yeah. Who is obviously a psychopath and then 18 days before he died he complained that that guy tried to kill him. Yeah. I mean it doesn't look good. It's just crazy that this guy wasn't in protective custody. It's crazy that the cameras go down. It's crazy that the footage that they released is weird because it's missing time. And it's crazy that it happened under the watch of an attorney general who himself was so deeply embedded in the Epstein network his whole life. I mean from the weird kind of coincidence of Bill Barr's father Donald Barr and Jeffrey Epstein's Dalton school to the fact that Bill Barr started his career in the CIA during the Iran contra operation that Jeffrey Epstein was. He appears to have been doing the covert money laundering for me Jeffrey Bill Barr was like seven years he went to night law school. He trained to be a lawyer while he was at the CIA and then his you know main job was being the CIA's blocker and tackler to obstruct. He was the he was the CIA's point of contact to Congress during the Iran contra scandal that Jeffrey Epstein was so deeply involved in. And was blamed in the press at the time for being the person at CIA blocking Congress from seeing the CIA scant documents that were so central to the scandal. Then he becomes the attorney general the United States and he writes the pardons of the BCCI officials. And who was co leading that investigation Robert Mueller at the time this is the early 1990s the first time Bill Barr so so you have the BCCI bear stones multi billion dollar operation. That appears to me that Jeffrey Epstein was working on and then got took the clients from that deal as his own personal clients when he went private on his own. And Bill Barr is who lets the people from the crooked CIA bank off the hook and then it becomes attorney general again. You know and in 2019 it's he's the one in charge of the FBI the FBI answers to the justice department the FBI is the same relationship with with justice that the CIA has with state you know they're the investigative arm. Of the justice department. So you know I think if I think it's hard to trust anyone on this and I don't know what kind of file set the Trump FBI inherited after after all this time. It's hard to make heads or tails of it to me I think getting answers on the things that are immediately actionable. You know getting the C.I.s direct correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein you know that I mentioned a congressional bill that forces that because if it comes out that there are effectively an entire avalanche of classified Epstein files dating back 40 years and then you've got the CIA attorney. It puts these things in a very different light depending on whether the thing that is generated so much smoke this whole time the allegation of protection by US government intelligence and however many others to know that on physical paper like we know that the CIA interfered in the Orlando Mass Vert trial. Like we know that the CIA contracted out to mafia hitman and attempt to kill a foreign president like we know that MKL tro actually was real we know we know these things you can't scale you know I think if things like a like a jenga tower. If if a foundational piece is not solid you can scale a whole architecture of BS on top of it and if that assumption falls away this majestic looking you know tapestry of just years and years of effort collapses because the thing you assume to be true because it looked like there was so much smoke. To know it to be true that that is a solid piece that you can put the next piece on top of you know it's um there's that quote ninety nine percent is a bitch a hundred percent is a breeze. What does that mean? It means when you're only ninety nine percent sure of something you you always have to agonize well what if it's not true. And it and I think it is and I build all this stuff on top of it the one percent chance that that's not true means it would be a real bitch for this me to spend years of effort on this thing for me to spend thousand you know millions of dollars you know on this thing when it's based on assumption that was only ninety nine percent likely to be true but one percent it may have been structured some way different there might be something I missed in this. Whereas a hundred percent is a breeze okay it's automatic you can and things like this is why document drops like this are so vital not even necessarily because they have some single smoking gun that tells you who killed JFK or you know what client Jeffrey Epstein traffic women to but because it allows you to put down real jenga pieces about what actually happened and that process itself allows you to ask the questions that might get you to those answers. It makes a lot of sense. Is there anything else you want to add to this? I mean we can kind of go on for days yeah yeah I mean you spend so much time on this stuff how do you have that kind of an attention span it's kind of nuts. I mean I follow some of your live streams I'm like first of all your recall is insane. You know I heard something once which I think is really helpful I don't think I'm special in any way like this I think literally anyone can do this if you just kind of apply this kind of trick I heard this once which is that if you read a history book don't just read it agnostically have a theory in mind about what you think this is and how it worked even if you are wrong about that theory what you will find is that names dates locations your brain will remember them forever because they're not if I'm thinking about something that happened in you know I don't know like November 11th 1983 if I see like that date on a driver's license card or something. I have no theory of mind when I see that I'm not going to remember that five minutes from then it's going to be like remembering trying to remember 11 string number or like someone's cell phone or something when you don't really know the person or you haven't you haven't dialed in a million times. But if you have a theory of mind that you are indexing those things in relation to what you find is that your brain keeps those in that index so like I've joked like because we've talked about this Iran contra affair which was really the creation of this apparatus that we live under today where because the sea I got handcuffs put on it everything had to become CIA to get around those handcuffs the universities. The universities had to be the foundations the private philanthropic donors you know that and this is what happened the censorship industrial complex was all wrapped around this but. What you find is like those dates mean something to you because they're placed in relation to something else that happens. I joke that like I index things by you Iran contra often like for example if there's when I was you know studying about BCCI and I learned okay this happened in 1984 I don't just think about 1984 as an abstract thing I think okay well that means it happened after the meeting between Robert McFarlane and Anand Kishogi but before the you know the oil pipeline scandal of the edmies and then so I remember that this thing happened on this. I think it's a date because I place it into that index and anyone I think it's it's a. I think it's something that anyone you know I think people organically do it when they're really passionate about something and you know this is an easy thing to be passionate about because it gets to the heart of networks that are the determining power structures of your life when you look up and then you look up and you look up and you know that's not the right thing. You know you're looking up at the thing you're looking up at the thing above that this this is the network you say whether it's an intelligence military state craft high finance private philanthropies universities labor unions scientific research doesn't mean it's you know the F. I think it's a very important thing to be able to see networks so to speak but it's it's this this layer of interconnected human networks and I think it's an important history for the American people to have access to so that they can make informed decisions about how they want to change that world. It's about what to vote for they can make informed decisions about what kind of. You know industries that they're participating in that they might want to see reformed and it's so it makes it easy to be passionate about because if we can if we can get a win here it'll really change the world. If you want to save a few quid British gas have a way you get half price leaky and it's called peak save on every Sunday it's the smart thing to do if you're regular folk or furry and blue 11 till 4 let the good times begin you could charge up the car or take the dryer for a spin half price electricity what joy that brings with British gas peak save we're taking care of things. Teasing see supply eligible tabs and smart me to required well I think you do a great service and I think your abilities are exceptional I think you're selling yourself short a little bit you're being a little self deprecating because it's very unusual what you're able to do and I think the just a sheer amount of time that you've invested in this stuff is kind of mind-boggling well what would you like to see in this like if you had a wish list what are the things are open threads or. Well the real concern with me is that it's unfixable and that this is just a standard way that our government has operated since the 1950s or whenever and it can't be fixed and that they'll just gloss over it a new person will get into office and promise that they're going to implement some reform and it never happens and that we just accept that over and over and over again that's the real fear the real thing. Real fear is that there's a slow capture of our democracy to the point where it's just a mere illusion that's the real fear and I think a lot of people think that we've already passed the point of no return on that that's what scares a shit out of a lot of people and then when you see things that are happening in other countries like particularly England which is just rampant crackdown on free speech and what the the arrests from people that are posting things. So I think it's a lot of things on social media sites and the implementations of there's a new thing that they try to do or I think they are doing this concept of having a limited amount of times you can drive outside of a zone and after that you have to pay for it that's a new thing right yeah I can send you a new concept I can send this to you Jane because I just sent it to Constantine because it's it appears to be real and it's terrifying. Yeah, that's nuts. Well, look at what California is doing right now. What California is doing is they are taking or they're moving forward with this the idea that you have a tax on the amount of miles that you drive now. Yeah, so instead of just taxing gas like they've always done now they're taxing you on the amount of miles that you drive we're already getting tax on that if you're driving more miles you're spending more money on gas. Yeah, so you're getting you're spending more money on tax but now they're taxing on top of that which is essentially they're stealing money. Yeah. Why can't I find it? I'm going to send it forward here. Here go. Jamie, you're on signal right? Yeah, I can get it to myself. It is really interesting how that whole thing I said to you. But it's crazy that the California thing is bananas. It's just as wow. That's it. It doesn't have the link link. Okay, hold on. Huh. Oh, maybe this is it. I don't know. Sorry. I think there's a really interesting underdeveloped history around the origins of the climate. The 2006, 2005, 2006, 2007 really global warming climate kind of policy push from the US government that became a runaway train as investor money rushed in. It's my it's my opinion and I'm open minded about it but it appears to be the case. I'm going to give you after a study of this that the US government together with foreign allies pursued this kind of demonization of carbon at a real policy lover hydrocarbon based fuels as a kind of geopolitical battering ram against newly resurgent Russia in the mid 2000s as Putin was getting power back over a bunch of post post Soviet eastern satellite countries through basically pipeline exploiting his leverage around pipelines and the fact that you know this is like the John McCain type quote right that Russia is a gas station with a military right here that a lot. Gasprom the state sponsored oil company was like effectively the biggest oil company in gas prom was for gas but Ross naft and the Russia had at one point the largest oil exports in the world it was it was the motor engine of the economy oil and gas and the relationship between Russian oligarchs and businessmen and Eastern European Russian oligarchs and businessmen allowed that hydrocarbon based dependency and financial opportunity to let Putin reassert Russian control over central eastern European countries that NATO was trying to turn into western vassal states of century so you have this in the 1990s this was a lot of money and I don't know what is going on in the world. So I think the United States has been based dependency and financial opportunity to let Putin reassert Russian control over central eastern European countries that NATO was trying to turn into western vassal states of century so you have this in the 1990s this wasn't an issue because Boris Yeltsin was the president and he was effectively an adjunct of the US government incidentally. So he was a very friendly and friendly through Larry Summers and the Jeffrey Epstein Harvard network but so there became this push after Russia's interventions in Georgia and the like and a big attack on a lot of high level Republican. I think this push to try to create a shift in the types of energy the world uses was a way to kneecap Russia's main source of revenue to ensure that the the erasure the plant disease political or vassal state control over Eurasia would continue to be a part of the world. So I think this will continue against Putin's new nationalist and global resurgence and this includes a bunch of crap that in 2004 but effectively then you start to see the US government champion these hydrocarbon policies and you started to see all of these international forums journals regulators openly talking in this mid-Auts period as Russia was starting to reclaim political influence that these climate policies. So it would be a way to stop Russian power and influence because it would cripple them economically they'd have there'd be nothing there'd be no business between oligarchs in the different countries for them to even leverage it would effectively allow us to continue the golden age of the uniparty 1990s moment and then you saw all these government subsidies to it you know tax benefits like free money basically. And then it became a runaway as the market saw that this was a highly protected and sent away space by the US government. They all flooded it or now they've got a sunk cost if those policies change you've got trillions of dollars in climate finance globally. And then these started becoming part of like IMF loan requirements and and but now it's like even if the science is completely wrong. And then it started arguably as a kind of you know national security based way to force energy diversification. This is what we put Europe through the United States with the sanctions against Russia. We force them to you know divest of a boy the gas invest in a basket of you know alternative energy cleaner energy supplies. But now it's and they and that could be justified at the national security level with the science of this actually being the case. So you could sell it to the whole world. Even if even if you prove that false at this point there's there's so much infrastructure built up that you know you have this network you have the your hedge funds. You know got Bill Gates has a climate fund. Al Gore is a billionaire from from this one Tom Steyer one of the biggest investors in the D.N.C. the climate impact fund Michael Bills who funded the CIA governor Virginia Abigail Spanberger and and then the momentum of the it's sort of an unstoppable social narrative now. Right well and it's and the thing that's terrifying about it is that it is can join the diplomatic muscle of of the American government and whatever allies abroad with private finance like for example like we over through the government of Bangladesh and 2024 the Biden administration did they ran this whole coup they did it through the national down for democracy of CIA cut out and a million other works on the ground it was a color revolution street protest. I think we may have talked about this last time where literally the CIA. Sockpuppet national down for democracy sponsored like rap music videos and you know produce them and put them on YouTube and and then worked with the unions you know set up like transgender dance festivals to try to get the you know the LGBT community you know on board against the government and then. You know giant rise they install you know it's effectively a good but part of the the thing that they they leaned on in the post transition government is to you agree to these. You know basically basically like climate finance reforms and you can. Just like the CIA in the oil industry became completely inseparable completely inseparable I mean George Bush for example Zapatta energy offshore in the whole Texas oil thing and you know to then becoming the central intelligence agency directly I mean Trump's first sector state was Rex Tillerson. I'm actually never working government the secretary of state overseas the CIA is got the whole CIA portfolio as you know well he was the chairman and CEO of Exxon mobile. You can't the CIA in the US military creates the market for oil companies you can't get access to the oil unless you either overthrow government or support against of insurgency political movement one that will guarantee you favorable terms you know access yada yada the whole market. And then the CIA and D.O.D. people will rotate into board seats on those oil companies and so becomes inseparable in my fear about this is that over the past 10 years the same thing started to happen with the. Client the the sort of you know clean energy side of the. You know of of big energy companies like in big oil and see it big oil and CIA for a century now you have like big climate and CIA because there's so much money it's energies the master resource and so now you've got. You know what appears to me CIA intervention in part like some of these things you have to wonder why did the Biden CIA try to overthrow the Bolsonaro government in Brazil this was a pro US political party it was a the person you know Lula was tied at the hip with China divested from all these US contracts you know massively reduced the. The footprint of US aligned policies in the second biggest country country in our hemisphere. And well you know Brazil just announced like this 1.3 trillion dollar climate finance initiative and you know all of these people are all these New York hedge funds and London banks have skated towards this are in on that you have I mean this is a crazy case at one of the biggest beneficiaries of. The post coup got blue those government in Brazil where all of the clean ethanol George sources longest standing equity investment at that point was country company called at a coagra which did clean ethanol fuel alternatives the problem is it's it's you know part of its business part of it is it's not competitive on price with you know diesel. The only way to you know compete and win that market make millions of dollars is if the government imposes a mandate a quota that forces people to buy your product well George source co sponsored those CIA adjacent national number democracy operations all over Brazil well he's you know hold an equity interest in the thing that day one there's an imposed mandate to use those. Those climate products it's the same thing in Africa you have like CIA regime change to force clean energy companies so that the people who sponsor the the donors who sponsor the politicians who pick the staff of the CIA in acts policies that makes money for those hedge funds invested in climate finance. So fucked up I think that's what's happening in California. Without the regime change element I think it the kind of you know I think you have investors who who profit from this and the only way those investments can be profitable is if government imposes mandates quotas and bands on the on alternatives to that product I mean that's kind of the way the vaccine market works. Yeah just play. They just set up their little 15 minute city and they are now charging people for leaving the city you get 100 free days they call it a free day you get a free pass to leave the 15 minute city and if you exceed your 100 free days you have to pay the US dollar equivalent of 93 dollars per day. And if you live outside of the 15 minute city you want to travel into the 15 minute city you get 25 free passes free move all their government's giving you free movement capability you get 25 free passes and if you exceed those 25 days it's 93 dollars a day. And how are they tracking all this oh there's not a man at the gate they're not writing up tickets or having police officers that oh no they are monitoring you with digital AI surveillance and cameras. And then they're automatically finding you this is why we have to be against the flock cameras in the United States they're not just speed track cameras this is why we have to be against the Palantir whole of government database. This is why we have to stand up and raise awareness and bring attention to these matters instead of arguing with each other and NPCs on the internet over left versus right issues or my side you're said they are keeping us artificially divided because they're setting up this infrastructure in the United States right now divide and conquer we are in the division part of the divide and conquer. Agenda conquer is next you think it's bad now we do you have to pay $100 a day to leave your 15 minute city. Conspiracy. Right so only rich people are going to be able to afford that's just like the meat thing right it's like. The irony of you know Australia being a prison colony and now you've got now it's like the homeland in the UK but I mean look the UK just got rid of like jury trials for a lot of cases and yeah you know as 12,000 speech arrests a year and some people arrested for what seems like even holding up their own country's flag at an opportune moment or silently prank. And you know we need to liberate the British people I mean it's it's it's unbelievable that. I mean they call it perfidious albion right British state craft has been so pernicious to the American people in the past decade it was I would rush a gate the entire three year special prosecutor saga was because of British by Christopher steel and and and. In Iran Contra veteran Stefan Halper residing abroad at Cambridge to kick that off and then. The British government conspired with the by administration to create to to to join the US UK censorship industrial complex. America first legal Stephen Miller and Jean Hamilton's not nonprofit law firm they started obtain these incredible documents that showed a planning meeting between the British government and the by administration attended by the CIA the National Security Council USAID hosted the White House and it was the British the UK digital commission. They brought a huge slide deck of all the ways that their new censorship law what's today called the online service online safety act the USA would effectively help throttle misinformation in the United States like basically it was like. You scratch your back our back will scratch yours and it was this you know US Democrat party UK labor party alliance meanwhile the Biden government was paying British sensors they the global disinformation index which. You know killed like the ad you know revenue for like they want to daily wire federal list a million conservative news sites and social media accounts you know when after the social media platforms the United States there British. Black ops by their own language that the well CCDA choose but with they were funded by our government to censor our voices but laundered out to the UK. And I think we need to fundamentally restructure that special relationship we've had that relationship for a long time totally unquestioned I we can't farm that out we can't if if that's not if that's not addressed and we don't fix that relationship I think you can't really fix our own system unless we you know. Cut out some of the poison that we inject from the outside. Mike we gave people a lot to go almost too much but you if anybody wants more your ex account is amazing your your tireless I don't know how you do it but thank you for doing it I really appreciate you and appreciate you coming on here. Thanks so much for having me. Nothing but fun from here I mean look it's fun I mean guys or the world is opening up and we are seeing behind a looking glass where there has been a veil of secrecy for 60 years about some of these things for 10 years about some of these things so don't get too blackpilled this is something is happened that has never happened before and you are alive to experience it so you know try to enjoy the ride. Bye bro.