Sleep, Stress, and Anxiety – How EMF Blockers Will Change Your Life
47 min
•Aug 7, 20258 months agoSummary
This episode explores quantum energy technology and EMF protection through an interview with Dot, a biohacker who initially set out to debunk quantum products but became convinced after personal testing. The discussion covers how quantum energy neutralizes harmful EMF effects, clinical studies supporting the technology, and practical applications for sleep, stress, and food sensitivity management.
Insights
- Quantum energy products claim to neutralize EMF stress by restoring the body to its natural state, allowing mitochondria to allocate energy toward healing rather than protection
- Double-blind placebo-controlled studies show measurable biomarker improvements (7% HRV increase, 29% ATP production increase) when quantum products are used near EMF sources
- The skeptical-turned-advocate approach builds credibility in the wellness space by demonstrating personal testing methodology and willingness to challenge initial assumptions
- Regulatory gaps (US cell phone radiation standards unchanged since 1996) create market opportunity for EMF mitigation solutions outside traditional medical channels
- Integration of quantum technology with plant medicine ceremonies and lifestyle optimization represents a premium wellness positioning strategy
Trends
EMF sensitivity and mitigation moving from fringe wellness concern to mainstream biohacking conversation among health-conscious professionalsShift from fear-based EMF avoidance (Faraday cages) toward harmonization solutions that allow technology use while reducing biological stressClinical validation of alternative health claims through biomarker testing (HRV, EEG, blood viscosity) gaining traction in functional medicinePremium wellness retreats combining quantum technology with psychedelic-assisted therapy (5-MeO-DMT) targeting high-income biohackersFood structuring and water energization as value-add features in quantum energy products, positioning them as multi-benefit wellness toolsRegulatory arbitrage in health claims: companies using property/aesthetic arguments to ban 5G/smart meters where health claims are legally restrictedBiomarker-driven personalization in wellness: real-time measurement of individual EMF sensitivity replacing one-size-fits-all health recommendations
Topics
EMF (Electromagnetic Field) exposure and health effectsQuantum energy technology and frequency imprintingBiomarker testing (HRV, EEG, ATP production, cortisol)Food sensitivity and allergen neutralization through quantum structuringSleep optimization and circadian rhythm management5G and smart meter regulatory landscapeElectric vehicle EMF exposure (Tesla and competitors)Water structuring and molecular reorganizationPlant medicine integration (5-MeO-DMT, ayahuasca, psilocybin)Grounding practices and earthingBlue light exposure and red light therapyMitochondrial function and ATP productionCalcium channel disruption from EMF stressDouble-blind placebo-controlled study methodologyRegenerative farming and food nutrient density
Companies
Lila
Primary company discussed; manufactures quantum energy products (necklaces, blocks, chargers) with imprinted frequenc...
Emoto Institute
Japanese research institute studying water structure; partnered with Lila as exclusive distributor of quantum water s...
T-Mobile
Lila founder Philip was global vice president; provides perspective on both telecom and EMF mitigation sides
Sun Life Organics
Retail partner using Lila quantum blocks in stores to enhance and structure produce quality
Marin General Hospital
Early adopter of EMF-conscious infrastructure; uses ethernet cables instead of Wi-Fi throughout facility
Tesla
Electric vehicle discussed as high-EMF environment; tested with Lila products to measure biomarker improvements
PG&E (Pacific Gas & Electric)
Utility company whose smart meters were successfully banned in Fairfax, California due to EMF health concerns
Prima
Sponsor brand offering grass-fed protein products without seed oils; positioned for biohacker community
People
Dot
Former skeptic who tested quantum products extensively; now leads product development and clinical validation efforts
Philip
Created quantum energy technology; former T-Mobile global VP; operates retreat center in Costa Rica
Crew
Philip's wife; suffered severe Lyme disease symptoms; recovered using quantum energy technology
Dr. Emoto
Pioneering water structure research; institute exclusively partners with Lila for quantum product distribution
Beverly Rubik
Initially approached Lila to debunk products; validated blood viscosity improvements through quantum energy
Iman
Podcast host conducting interview; runs marketing agency; wears Lila necklace and uses home quantum blocks
Quotes
"I got into the quantum world purely on just the drive to debunk it... And that's directly because there's a lot of unethical marketing."
Dot•Early in episode
"It's almost like you're bubble wrapping yourself in this protective material in a way from any type of just external environmental stressors."
Dot•Mid-episode
"The ball is always in our court to prove it, which we love doing because we have over 60, almost 65 double blind placebo controlled studies now."
Dot•Mid-episode
"With Bufo, you as you exhale, you're dissolving into the totality of existence. And once you wake up, it's like you just downloaded a whole new software update."
Dot•Late episode
"The breath is the remote to the brain. So exactly how we breathe tells the rest of our body exactly how to respond."
Dot•Late episode
Full Transcript
Dot, tell me, we were downstairs and we were chatting. How did you fall into this space? Yeah, well, funny enough, I got into the quantum world purely on just the drive to debunk it. And back in probably 10 plus years ago, my drive on social media was to find things and show people what was the scam and what wasn't. And it was always really open and willing to have a foot in my mouth, which happened quite often. I got into the inner world diet. I got into that to completely debunk it. And back then I was a competitive ultra runner doing the 100 to 200 mile ultra marathons and it ended up being the best thing for me. So when I got into the quantum energy, it was to me initially really woo woo pseudo science scam. And that's directly because there's a lot of unethical marketing. And just if you scroll through Facebook or Instagram, you see a lot of quantum stickers and the terms they use. And I feel like they really kind of prey on people that are unhealthy and desperate to feel better. And that kind of dilutes the rest of the world of quantum. And that's what I had fallen into was just kind of like, well, the sticker can't work at blocks and which it can't. But so that's how I got into it. And I had started with this a quantum frequency necklace that had a bunch of all the micronutrients in it. So I'm a monotonous eater, ate the same thing for about 40 days, I get a baseline and I went and did like a spectrocell micronutrient test and basically had suboptimal nutrients and I started wearing the necklace and I got another test 40 days later and everything was optimal. So things weren't over or under. And I went another 40 days and I got tested again and my numbers again, we're all optimal just from wearing this necklace, just from wearing the necklace. And then so after two tests, I took the necklace off and I went 40 days without it. And I got the test again and the same numbers are the same nutrients that were optimal. Well that were suboptimal were no longer. Well, yeah. So sorry, the ones from the get go went back to like baseline. So I was suboptimal in the same nutrients. And now that isn't hardcore science, but it was enough for me to go there or something to this because I had spent gosh, almost like, you know, nine months doing these tests. That's insane. And that's how you met the Lila team. That's how you got introduced. A few years later, a few years later when Lila came around, which was like 2019, that's when I jumped into that one because it was, they do so much. There's the pure quantum energy, but the other parts of it is the imprinted frequencies. You know, every product is charged with pure quantum energy and that's kind of where we'll talk about the benefits, but each different product also provides very specified individual like frequencies for you. And then what during this testing, just I'm just curious, what other kind of things did you go after that actually ended up being a complete lie that was being sold as marketing? Yeah. There's a lot of those things. Top three. Well, that's kind of hard to say. I'll tell my head, I guess. The companies I don't want to throw under the bus now. But gosh, like mainly like the stickers were a big thing. That was the first thing that really got me into doing it. But just other like supplements that were around back then that were like the NAD enhancers that didn't really do what they said or, you know, gut health things, parasite cleanses that weren't really as effective. The markets are full of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And there's other like technologies that I think are, you know, scams. Yeah. There's scams and there's overpriced. And again, it's a very sensitive, I guess, community and the health and wellness because I want to kind of be on the front end of helping people because, you know, people will go take loans out and put themselves into debt financial stress to feel better on something that doesn't, you know, I can cangan machines, you know, we can talk about that all day. I can. And in the fact of what it costs and I see people again. Using them. Yeah. Yeah. And there are some benefits, but there's much cheaper routes, significantly cheaper routes. So that was like some of the things, you know, I'm not huge. I don't love it anymore. Go into the big details of it, but I feel those were all scams. Yeah. Yeah. When it comes to quantum energy, can we break down to people? What is quantum energy and how does it work? Yeah. I know we talked about quantum a lot here without. Yeah. Let's explain it. So like you said, like quantum energy is all around us. It's not something that we created. It's just something that we have learned how to utilize and harness. But actual quantum energy is the energy at like a subatomic level. So it's not a positive energy and it's not a negative energy, but it's a very neutral energy. And that's where the benefits come in because it kind of will resonate out and it neutralizes anything that's in that field. So which is kind of like the most, it's not the main thing that our products do, but one of the most impactful things is that it's neutralizing the harmful effects that EMFs have on our body, which we can show by testing over and over again with biomarkers. And individually, if somebody is listening to this and they're like, how do I check if my quantum energy is good, not good, suboptimal, like what are the things that would come up for them in their body, in their sleep, in their habits? That's a great question too. So the one way to really check is really, it's more so like accessing the quantum energy and having it around us. So the way that we can actually measure and quantify it, the best way I'd say, because some people are very sensitive and they can just sit down and be present with it. But that's maybe a smaller portion of the population. Of course, with this stuff, and of course, it coming across initially as magic or woo, the ball is always in our court to prove it, which we love doing because we have over 60, almost 65 double blind placebo controlled studies now. And what that will show is, for example, if you know, with the quantum energy is if we had a Wi-Fi router next to you and I, we could test our biomarkers. We can check our brain wavelengths. We can check our HRV, our heart variability. You can check calcium channels. There's quite a few other things that we can check in terms of for stressors because, you know, even though a Wi-Fi router is next to us, you may not feel it. Some people do if they're very sensitive, but again, your body doesn't lie. Your HRV doesn't lie. It just tells you this is the best. This is going on. It's very linear. So there's no way to like really manipulate that in a placebo way anyways. But then what we can do is put one of our products around here with us and then we can retest all of those and we'll see that all of our biomarkers are all back at the same pre-EMF exposure or even better. So we're seeing things like we just did like a 256 channel EEG brain scan with having cell phones next to people and then putting the products on it, like having the products in their area. And we're seeing that, you know, for example, when you're stressed or anything, you your gamma and your beta alpha brain wavelengths, they're increasing and that creates the anxiety. And what we can see is when you are in an area where you have this quantum energy is it's neutralizing all those. So the beta decreases, the gamma decreases, and then you find an increase in alpha and theta. So we see like a 7% increase in HRV and a lot of increase in REM sleep because basically in a way to really explain what this is doing to our bodies is it puts our body back at its natural state. So similar to if we're in the middle of a national park or somewhere where there is nothing and our body is able to just be stress free, then our mitochondria can do what it's supposed to do. But when we're sitting here in the lights, all this, you know, yeah, just being in the town of my, you know, anywhere where there is 5g stressors, all of that, like our mitochondria basically has a budget and it says, okay, I got to put 30% towards the EMFs 10% towards this and that. When you kind of expose yourself to the quantum energy, it's almost like you're bubble wrapping yourself and this protective material in a way from any type of just external environmental stressors. So it allows your body to do what it needs to without the stress. And that goes with we see basically a 29% increase in ATP production, 100% increase in wound healing. And again, it's not even so much the things that we're creating. It's just it's allowing your body to do what it's capable of because it can't heal fast because if it's doing other things at the same time, it's trying to our bodies are very resilient. Right. But if it's having to protect you from the effects of the EMFs, then it can't devote everything to healing. Tell me a little bit something because normally I wear the necklace and I've lost in my car today, but the necklace itself, right? How much of a field does it create around you does because they're normally fortified balls in the different necklace, right? So how many balls does it need to create that frequency around you? Well, just even when it's having one ball is okay. Okay. That kind of is the intensity for people, but the protection above was about three feet. Yeah. Three feet and the big charger that I have in the house, how much of a radius does that create the blocks or the pure quantum? Yeah. Depending on which one you have, it can be anywhere from about a half a mile to like about two kilometers. What? So they're very large. That's really big. And that is where you're getting the harmonization of the EMF. So like, for example, if you have one in here, you're actually everyone in the building is pretty much benefiting from that. That's amazing. The neutralization of everything. Yeah. Well, I definitely need to get one in the studio then. And it also is really great for changing the structures of food, right? So talk to me a little bit about food, food molecules, food structuring, and why is it important to have quantum energy, harmonized food and nutrients? That's a really cool question. So it also will structure water. And I'll preface that. We worked with the Emoto Institute, Dr. Emoto, which most people know for his research and studies with water and in the effects of words and energy, of course, with it. And you could freeze the water and see it under a microscope that if you had negative words, then that basically looked like shattered glass. And if you had love and peace, then it was looked like a beautiful snowflake. And that's, you know, revitalized structured water. And so we have water bottles that actually do this and charge them and it'll imprint frequencies into it. And we took it to the Emoto Institute in Japan and we afterwards, they were so impressed that we're actually the only company that they've reached out to and said, can we sell and supply your products here at our Institute? So it's incredible. And I only mentioned that because water, we are at a molecular level. We are 99% water. When you're talking about food, think about the fruits, everything like that that has water and what we're doing that. So when we're putting the water on or when we put like fruit and stuff under there, it's actually structuring energizing the water as well. Yeah. So that's always an important thing to mention before that. But then with the food, what we see is I actually have a very cool story where I am severely allergic to crab, honey and avocado. Okay. And like you would have like a complete. Yeah, well, I, it's, it's about eight hours of, of just, yeah, hives and looks, it's, it's horrible down my nasal cavity. It's like I snorted a pepper. Yeah. It looks really rough. In fact, at the biohacking conference in Orlando, we did this on stage in front of a massive crowd. You get it on purpose? Yeah. For the name of science, right? But what we, so what, because when I was listening to the research from the head scientist of, of iron Mitchell, he's like, well, yeah, basically it will, um, neutralize any disruptive waveform patterns. So if somebody is gluten intolerant and they put like, let's say they want to have a pizza or a bowl of pasta under it, then they will be actually able to tolerate it. Yeah. So we show what the studies, which is kind of where we got into this was it's a 92% reduction in the stress that food has. So for me, I was like, let's see what this does for food. I'm really allergic to, and that's what I did. I'd put some crab under there and I was able to eat it. And again, this isn't hardcore science, but initially, you know, I'm like, okay, well, maybe it's placebo. I'm, I'm, I'm also saying I understand the power of placebo. So then I'd have my wife choose what time if she put it under the block or not. So I would, and I wouldn't know. And I'd eat it and either have a reaction or not. And it was always relative to the scenario that occurred. So if she did it, then I didn't have an issue. If she didn't, I'd have an issue instantly. It's within seconds. So what we found is that at the time you could put the, I put like my crab for like six minutes under the block and it was neutralizing all the frequencies. And so we did this on stage in front of a bunch of people. We took it with derma roller and put it on my arm. Instantly a horrible reaction. It was blew up like bee stings. And then we put it under the block for like six minutes and we talked to the crowd about what was happening and we did my other side and there was no issue whatsoever. People must mean blown away. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, we have a telegram group where people, it's not even for, like it's a bunch of users and they're talking about it. And then we started getting more people who are like, Hey, I, I'm allergic to lemon juice. And I, now I put it under here and I'm seeing much of, not much of an issue. I had someone who had a, a fatal allergy to bee stings like wasp and they got stung and they were driving to the ER and they actually had a block and put it their hand under the block where the steam was. And by the time they got there, everything been reversed. So at some point Philip was like, okay, let's legitimize this with the study. And that's what we did in the UK. And they were able to show it in the way they're measuring this is, um, I don't want to misspeak too much, but it's basically there's a protein that's in your urine that excretes out. If you have a histamine or an allergy response and, um, they were able to test for that and show people with this. And again, all these studies are double blind placebo controlled, which is important. Yeah. Of course. And we saw a 92% like I said, reduction in the stress that like sugar, gluten, any of that stuff has on the body. If you know me, you know, I avoid sea dolls like the plague. 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I was what my wife and I was like, we need to mix in that bed. So we do have a larger version that's pretty much the size of this, the gram block. And it's enough that like this big. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, you could, you can almost lay yourself in it. And you can't have your whole body, but you could put your, you know, your whole chest and legs and stuff under there. Uh, we do like you, you guys at my house for like a whole bag of like whole foods groceries, like I can just put it under there and have everything charged at once. It's much more effective. Um, I would love to have, you know, we have, uh, there's like Sun Life Organics, which there's a, you know, they have one in every one of their, uh, stores and that has to do with enhancing. Yeah. It enhances the, the taste because you're structuring all the fruit, you know, with the water that's in it. It goes pretty deep, but it also brings it back to its organic state, which is really cool. Right. And that's what we really want because so much of our food has been tampered with at some place, like, unless you're really buying from a specific farm and you know, the farmer and the farming practices, organic alone is just not cutting it anymore. Right. Yeah, it doesn't. And because regenerative practices have kind of gone out the window, regenerative farming is actually where the minerals and the nutrients in our food come from. But those have been eroded because of commercial farming practices and how we're not giving the soil time to recover and we're not farming seasonally anymore, which is kind of turning stuff out. The quality of our food that's going into our body is not nourishing us the same way. So this stuff is really cool to me because you're able to kind of reverse or you're like, okay, I'm buying organic, but if it's still not nutrient dense, what I'm doing is I'm structuring your food in this block and it's giving me the nutrients that I need. Absolutely. Yeah. And it makes it more bioavailable, which is really cool. And able to digest and process. Yeah. That's incredible. What are some of the other things that you have personally noticed in your life that have improved since you started actually working with quantum energy from the time that you started to wanting to debunk it to this? Definitely just having a more peaceful environment. For me, the huge thing was the food. You know, like I said, like that's a huge thing for me because it wasn't something I was allergic to my whole life. It happened when I was about 30 years old. It just came in. So I'd enjoyed crab and avocado and honey prior to that. And something just changed in my gut biome, but I can still now enjoy it. Going out to restaurants, we have a small travel block and I'll take that. And it just kind of harmonizes any of the bread that we're eating and be able to enjoy things. We travel quite often. So we have the travel block too to put in our hotels. And you know, anyone who comes to our house or when we have those, there's it's really common for just to like, it's so peaceful here. And I will instantly, because yeah, it could be a lot of things, but I know it's the block because it's, it's harmonizing. And it's a consistent response of just like, wow, just feel so, it feels so common. Neutral. Yeah. And to be in that environment. That's amazing. I saw somewhere that the environmental working group, I basically read this, found that US cell phone radiation standards have not been updated since 1996. They're not allowed to be. And we base. So in my head, I'm like, are we basically guinea pigs? For everything that's going on, they keep on propping up these 5G towers, because if this is true, you know, and people can look this up themselves, but if it hasn't been updated since 1996, it's not allowed to be. They're not, if you read the FTC trade, trade agreement with that says also that you cannot limit EMFs or any kind of form of communication due to health concerns. What do you mean? Yeah. I mean, that's why it so hasn't been changed and it's not allowed to be touched. And so the only reason I kind of more know about this more in depth is in Marin County, I lived for many years in a town called Fairfax. And we, as of a few years ago, last time I checked, we are the only town in the world that successfully banned smart meters from PG and because everyone had tried to go around the routes of health, because they're able to acknowledge this, but we're able to do it off of like property taxes and all this stuff. And also was one of the first towns in Marin County. Most of the towns were the first to ban 5G, which isn't a thing. You can't, you know, but you can't do it on a health scenario. And I learned all that with the lawyers because what they were doing with it. So it's very cool to see that people acknowledge it and that there are ways around it. You just really have to be resourceful, but Fairfax, California, and then Marin County, of course, is well known, but a lot of the cities are banned it due to aesthetics. And that's how they get around it. But you, it's very, it's a tight locked knit place that you can't mess with. Even though it's such a big health issue for a lot of the functional communities have talked about how EMFs are completely wrecking people's health, our cells, our sleep in such a deep level. And nine of people are talking about it, but the functional community is, but that's a small population size. And the only best way you can talk about in a way of that is like, well, listen, we have cell phones and we're, we couldn't talk without the, without the EMFs that are going. And even though you can't see it, you clearly know that the cell phones are working. And one thing I really appreciate about is Phillip, the founder, you know, not a lot of people really know this about him, but he was a global vice president of T-Mobile for some time. So he has the understanding of both sides of the pendulum, which is also another thing about Lila is Lila is more about working synergistically and harmonizing with the luxuries of these technologies. Cause you and I really wouldn't be able to sit here. We wouldn't be able to do these things. And part of that, so there's the difference between, you know, living in a fear and Faraday cage and all of that, which is there, that is an option. Or you can kind of work synergistically and I can wear my Apple watch and I could have AirPods on and stuff. And, and again, at the same time while doing this, we could be checking my biomarkers and showing that the EMFs are not affecting my body. What are some of the most common signs that somebody is silently being wrecked? Like their health is being wrecked through EMFs. That's a great question too. And, you know, again, it's our bodies are really resilient. And sometimes I think most people don't feel it because if, if you're a very healthy individual, like your, your body is, you may, you may have less energy, but your body is able to create this, like, you know, basically its own bubble wrap or shingards around protecting you. But then now you can't digest food. You can't focus. You can't think because your body is exerting all of its energy towards that. So what you see when you have EMS, one thing that we can say, I've mentioned before, the biomarkers of course was like the calcium channels, the increase in beta and gamma way. But most people don't have access to seeing that stuff. Of course, you have the, the blood analysis, which gets really sticky. You can see real time your blood gets sticky, which also we can see like cortisol levels. So stress, all this stuff goes up. And then, you know, with different people, you get it's, it's mainly the cortisol. So people can get like random anxiety or throat kind of closes up and get dizzy. You can really feel inflammation in your, especially if you're holding your phone all day. Like when you wonder like, oh my gosh, my wrist, my thumb bothers me at times. It gets like a little lock in inflammation that great. And again, you can say that, but you can also show it. Right. So that's what's really cool because we can talk about this and it's not theoretical. It's not possible or probably it's like, this is what we see. You can talk and measure it. It's consistent. Yeah. So that's the best way to look at it. But it's like, if you also have ADHD symptoms, and I'm not saying EMS create ADHD, but it's like, if you're like, well, I shouldn't really have these issues, but why is it when I go to certain areas, it's really hard to think same thing with lighting and stuff, you know, it's like, we still have to appreciate it because it brings a lot things available to us in this modern world. But if you're affected by it, you know, sleep, of course, like your, your deep sleep won't be there because you're while you're trying to sleep, your body is constantly again, trying to create that bubble wrap of protection and you're not getting a good sleep. What about what's your take on electric cars like Tesla? Gosh, um, EMF soups, you know, same thing as an airplane. So, um, And how do somebody measure the charge of a Tesla? Because I have friends that have Tesla, I've argued with them. I'm like, guys, electric cars are like no bueno. They're not. And I, first off, I'm not a fear monger. Like I'm always about the solution. I think fear is tends to be a little more unhealthy sometimes than, than actually just dealing with it. And I, and, and that's something I've definitely spent time. I can't really spend time in a Tesla. I was one of the first people online for the eight hours of the model three when it came out. And once I sat in it, it couldn't, couldn't handle it. It's so much because it's also right underneath you. So the other thing is though, because the Teslas and there's a few other cars that are, there's actually another car that's even worse than the Tesla. Which one? Um, I can't really say, um, but it's, it's a car that's in Europe and we tested it. So we just legally can't say the car, but there's one car that is worse than a big brand. Yeah, it's, it's definitely a very big brand, but it's, Can I say it and you can say yay, nay? I don't know. Um, so they, we tested them in Europe and they're, so they have higher numbers, but that's how we could show that our product worked because we would test your biomarkers, put you in the car, test the biomarkers, and then implement the technology and show that your biomarkers are while sitting in the car, we're pre EMF exposure or better. And one thing I want to mention, I think it's really important because even when we're talking about electrical cars, the other end of this is most new cars have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. Yes. The majority of people that I speak to think that well, if I'm not connected to the Bluetooth or the Wi-Fi, it doesn't matter. No, it does because the car is still connected to it. It's still connected. And the other end of it is, is like, I know it's a weird analogy, but like that type of technology, the way it's literally created is social creature. And if it's not connected, it's working harder and looking harder to connect. So now it's actually putting out more EMS. So if you're not utilizing your Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, it's, it's not that it's done. It's working harder. Same thing with your cell phone. If you're in an area where you don't have cell service, you should put your phone on airplane mode because otherwise it's emitting more EMS, looking harder to find something. So. But how does that, if somebody's listening to this and they say, okay, I have friends who might listen to this and they have electric cars, how do they measure the EMS in their car? Well, that's really simple. It's just, you literally get like an EMF meter. Now there, this, the EMF meters, well, depending on how much you want to invest, they literally can go up to $60,000 for a machine. Well, what's a good one that's not crazy? An Amazon one for like $300. You can get like a tri-field. Tri-fields are the most common ones. Now, I wouldn't use them for everything, but if it's, you want to get a shocking number, you use like a tri-field or there's a few other brands on Amazon from like $200 to $350. And again, those aren't something that I would check everywhere for my whole home because there are some caveats to that, but it's enough to put it in a car and go, oh my gosh, it's a microwave because it's going to go beyond just like if you set up a microwave and you put an EMF meter next to it, it's going to go beyond what it can read. And the same thing is going to happen in an electric car. And so if anybody's listening to this and they do this and they have like a Tesla or another electric car and they read, I mean, what if somebody does this? I had a friend who said she did try testing for EMS, but I don't know what device she actually used. So what if it doesn't go off? Then does that mean it's just a one-time glitch and they should buy a different device and try it? Yeah, because it would. This means the machine doesn't work. Yeah. Because that's, it's clear. It's not, again, it's not a theoretical thing. It's just science. Like it's putting off so much EMFs that, I mean, it's an entire technology, you know, you're in a cage that's all technology. How much EMF exposure is sustainable for the body, right? Because we do live in really like, you know, connected times. And how much of it, what threshold does it cross that it becomes toxic? So that was just a step back and also acknowledge that there are kind of like two different types of EMFs in a way. There are non-native EMFs, which are kind of what we're more concerned about. That's our cell phones. That's everything that we've kind of created as humans for technology. And then you have EMS. The, like, you know, the earth puts off its own natural amount of EMS, but we're also usually grounded and the stuff that, you know, occurred, like we, we separate ourselves from so much, like we're walking around with shoes that have rubber. So we're no longer connected to the earth and everything around it. Now, in terms of the amount that is safe, that, that's such a wide spectrum because there's many people like no EMFs are safe. But I also, I live in a world of like, is the juice worth the squeeze for everything? And time of kind of like, but you can't just be in fear of everything. And as long as you live your life, you have to live in this world. Yeah. And knowledge is power. And when you know, and you can own that, like, Hey, I'm going to go for me, I'm going to go to Austin, where I know there's a bunch of 5g, but at least I know it. And I own it as opposed to getting there and just punched in the nose and not sure what's going on. Like I appreciate that more. But I really would say like the amount of EMFs, none is really good because it's a stress. It's the same thing is like, you know, you, the worst part of aging is the cortisol, right? So if you want to slow down aging, like lower your cortisol, there's really no, I mean, you have a balance when you eat something and it goes up, it's all a biological response. But it's like, when you have EMS, we see your cortisol is always high. So that's not good, even a little bit, but your body again is very resilient. And the more healthier you are, at least it can keep that numbers down. But it's also keeping you away from what you're naturally capable of. It's the same thing when you digest food, right? When you, when you eat, like your body has to take a lot of its energy and put it into digestion. So if you eat right before bed, you might sleep, but your body is not resting, because now it's exerting all of its energy to figure it out into digestion. So it's very similar. So it's exerting its energy to protecting you from the EMS instead of just letting you be and have good energy and be able to focus. What are some of your favorite personal grounding practices that you do for yourself or your family? Actual grounding. Yeah, and like to get centered kind of, I know you're lucky enough to live in nature. So that's Yeah, I'm really the best part for me is either, of course, ground actually grounding is clearly barefoot or wearing barefoot shoes. And there's plenty of options. But like for me, breath work is the most important. It is pretty much the root of everything for us. The breath is the remote to the brain. So exactly how we breathe tells the rest of our body exactly how to respond. It's another way you can see if you're on EMS, you might start doing more shallow breathing. And it's kind of showing panic, you know, when you start breathing, yeah, if you inhale more than you exhale, like you're telling your body, it's very primal, it's blind, it doesn't really see what's going on. But it's like, oh, panic, raise cortisol, get sugar up so we can run away from whatever, it's very primal. So grounding, that's really important to me. And in terms of like, how has it been having access to all this information and knowledge and just learning so much about the space? What are the changes if you made to your life? Because you always set out to debunk the space and then you learn so much about it. So what things have changed for you on a personal level? Some, there's some big things definitely is like light exposure. I think it's very important. The, I believe the 2016 or 2017 Nobel Prize was awarded in, you know, in circadian biology. And it talks about like the most important things you can do. And again, you know, having control of your light environment. And for me, I do pretty well. And I also again, not everyone can do this, but like at sunset, have the entire no more blue light in the house. And also, what is your house? What do you let your house with? A lot of red light panels. Really? Yeah. And on Amazon, you can get really cool, like nightlights that are triggered by the lack of light. And then they just are red, which is really cool to have in the hallway. And then we just have red light panels throughout the rest of the house. And again, that's not feasible for everyone. I understand that, especially like, you know, our kids, they're really kind of cool with it. They think it's fun. So like, but I also understand that most people, their kids are not going to deal with that. But you know, and again, not eating three to four hours before bed, because that is a huge difference for your sleep quality. And circadian rhythm is so important for us in so many ways. If that's messed up, then your cortisol is getting high. Everything is pretty much at the baseline for me is circadian rhythm, breath and but controlling cortisol. Because, you know, it keeps everything calm and smooth like that. But those are, you know, and I'm very mindful of what I eat, but it doesn't mean that I'm definitely, I'm going to enjoy it. It's kind of a win in Rome. But again, like I said, is a juice worth a squeeze I look at. So I'm in Miami, and I'm going to find something that is great food. I'm not going to give it a second thought because I'm going to own it and enjoy it while I'm having it as opposed to saying, Oh, I'm going to deal with this later, it's going to hurt because same thing or mitochondria, here's our conversation. So if I'm eating something and telling it that it's bad for me, you're shaming it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So again, that's another reason that the lila block is so good, because you can put things under there that might more likely give you inflammatory responses and it won't. Like pizza on a Sunday night that you just want to have and you're a second, I just want to order. That's what I did last Sunday. It's like, I just got pizza because I was craving it so much. And my body didn't love it when I ate it. And I was like, now I know I should just put the pizza box under the block. Absolutely. That's what we do all the time. And restructure it basically. What other little like light hacks are you personally working on? So you don't wear the glasses in the day and stuff, right? I per, well, now I will wear the daylight ones when I'm in my I have five computers that I work on on my desk and all at the same time, like a full screen. But I have three laptops, two desktops and iPad. I do a lot of work on. So at that point, I've learned because I didn't do it, but I could be like, you're in the deck, you start to feel a little nauseous and down more so than I should. It was just a screen, a screen time. So I definitely made that shift over to wearing daylight, sunglass or daylight block or more so daylight. So they're more clear. And yeah, that's more what I would do nowadays, at least. I was going to ask you, how does a quantum like tech threaten like billion dollar industries? And do you think that's why we don't see no matter, we know how healing this technology can be now. There's research on it. You guys have done a great job. We don't see it at hospitals. So what do you think it is that certain industries just, I think everything in this alternative health world threatens big pharma and everything else. And I've seen it before. I've worked with hospitals that are even very mindful in Marin County, Marin General, and they don't use Wi-Fi. They use ethernet cable throughout the entire hospital. It's one of the first hospitals that did that. They actually use like lavender essential oils when you have an anxiety attack and all these cool things, but they have their limits on what they'll do, right? We're not allowed to do this stuff. And you always have that. And really, it's with the Lila products, it's a disruptor in so many places. Like, you know, we had Beverly Rubik's a doctor. She was also someone who asked to reach out to us to debunk our products. And she came back and saw that the blood, because one thing that Lila, the quantum energy, is to make your blood more visceral. There's in so many different levels, we could talk about like, where does it disrupt and who does it disrupt? But it disrupts everything because it's again, it's allowing you to be back at your natural state. So you're not relying on these supplemental band-aids. I mean, supplements like supplemental, like supplements with like supplement mandates, whatever it be, pharmaceutical stuff. And it allows you to kind of more enjoy life and be able to be synergistic with any of the negative stuff out there. What do you think, like working with a company as long as you have and seeing things so closely and so, you know, intimately, what is one success story that should have made like national headlines, but didn't because of mainstream media? Well, the funny thing is, I'm going to be cliche, there's so many. So like in India, we work with a whole Institute there of autism, and they reached out to us and asked us to, if we could, you know, supply some blocks, and they do some studies, and we're actually doing studies with them now with for autism. And I also get the autism spectrum is very wide. It's very, very wide, you know, there's a school in India that deals with autistic kids, basically, what are the ages of the kids? I believe the old, I think they're all the way up to adults, so 18. And the things that they were seeing was, and you know, if you work with people on the spectrum a lot, you like children, there's a few things that are just pretty consistent, even though the spectrum was so wide. So to say symptoms, it's kind of a, you know, but they had much lower aggression, and consistent bowel movements. And again, if you work with people on the spectrum, you know that those are two pretty common things. Right. It's like, well, what's next and what's available, which we're trying, you know, we're looking at stuff like that, we have, again, the food allergy stuff, we have people that just have severe like Lyme disease. And you know, that was one of the original things with like Phillip and his wife at the time, crew, she was suffering from horrible symptoms of Lyme and they utilized the technology when it was created to actually suppress all of that. And is our Lyme gone in regression completely now? I have, as long as I've known crew about six years, I don't know of any symptoms she's had. And how severe was her Lyme prior? Very bad. She couldn't, yeah. And that was, it was almost one of those out of disparity, like she was sick in bed and bed the whole time. And was this like, did besides doing like the working with quantum energy, did she incorporate other things that they learned through the science? Yeah, I believe that's kind of what got them into the quantum energy aspect was they were working with other healers and other people that had, were resourceful into other options, you know, anything in alternative health, but this is where they found like the biggest thing because it will, it'll literally, like I said, it balances and neutralizes any disruptive waveform patterns that are attacking you. So walk me through a little bit because somebody once hearing this would be like, so how does a device like, what is, what is it manufactured of? What is a product created from that's helping you generate this quantum energy? So everything is some form of metal. So like the capsules are brass and we chose brass really just because it's a nice weight for a necklace. That's the reason, but otherwise everything is like aluminum and gold plated. And those are being like some of the most conductive metals. So that's what all the other products are going to be. And we, the only thing that is proprietary with Lila is the technology created to charge the products with and to actually harness the quantum energy. And what is that like, walk me through a little bit of the technology, like how does the technology piece actually work? That's the only proprietary part. So that's the only thing I even, I don't know. Because that's what that was the one thing for me was right, right? Cause I've seen, I wear my necklace. It definitely, I can see the days I wear it when I don't, we have the one of the blocks in the house. Our house has beautiful energy. Some people put it in, we put it in about two and a half months ago. And so I always was wondering, I was like, what is, how do they conduct those charges? Like how is a frequency actually coming in? And how did, how did the founder discover this? Like how did he himself figure out, you know, I know it's proprietary, but how did he get introduced to it? Yeah, again, that's the, in terms of the how is the only thing proprietary and also want to prep. That's why we understand that the ball is in our court to prove everything. Yes. Because otherwise it's not, Hey, trust us, it's here is the results and we show it. But yeah, it all came, I believe with Philip was when his wife at the time got very sick and they started looking at other alternative healers, people who were very powerful and can see frequencies, can see auras. And this is when they were living there in Costa Rica, right? Or they were already there or not there yet? Well, actually they were, I believe at that point they were in Tennessee. So they've, they give, when they moved from Germany, they were in Texas, then Tennessee for a bit, and they also just have a retreat center in Costa Rica. Yeah. Because when I saw him right now at Health Optimization Summit, he was in, he was going back to Costa Rica after that. So I was wondering if he was already there. And that's how, you know, he discovered it. No, they've had that place for just about five years though. Wow. The newer, but yeah. And what is the healing center over there do? Like it's, it's a center anybody can go visit or how does it work? Well, it's a retreat center kind of where they focus on like five MEO DMT and therapeutic levels. It's the most profound, beautiful thing I've ever experienced in my life. Have you done multiple ceremonies or just? I've done it twice with them. And it is the most, I can't say enough, the most profound, most beautiful experience of my life. I have done five MEO. I've done it in the middle of the ayahuasca ceremonies. So we normally sit for ayahuasca, we do three ceremonies and we have a break in the middle. So we sit Thursday, Friday, so Saturday is our off day. And then Sunday, we sit again for ayahuasca. So I've done it in the middle on that Saturday. And it's amazing. It's a very different frequency to any other plant medicine is very quick. It happens really rapidly. But I thought I'm fascinated with the whole like plant medicine space and what you're able to achieve and accomplish as a person for me for my personal life for my career, it's just being like catapulted me out like completely. Have you done any other plant medicines? Yeah, I've the same thing I was growing up. I always thought that stuff was recreational. So I never got into it. My wife actually was looking for an alternative for like NA and AA, because she wasn't getting the clear separation. It was always I'm powerless to this. And she thought there was felt there was more to that. So she she got introduced into plant medicine. And that's where I learned more about it too. So, you know, from San Pedro, which is very beautiful. Of course, ayahuasca, psilocybin, you know, five MEO DMT, all that stuff is on a therapeutic level. They're so powerful tools. There's there's such powerful tools. And when used right, I mean, they can just absolutely change your life. I wonder if they're pairing the ceremonial these ceremonies also with incorporating the quantum energy into them. Yeah, so funny enough, like when you're actually at their, their property that they have, they have the blocks around and they have blocks that, which is part of one of our quantum upgrade products that we have to is we have a source. And it is it's it's the frequency that runs runs off of five MEO DMT. So like when you're there, you're even resonating with the what they use the blocks there, but they also have them customized, like they imprinted in the frequencies of five MEO DMT that are there to support you while you're going through the experience. And are they facilitating these ceremonies themselves, or they have someone being the facility trained for quite some time, and they will do it themselves. But they're very professional, very beautiful. This amazing and how long are normally is it just a one time ceremony or do people like go and stay for multiple days? That's about five days, maybe a little longer. Do you do five days every day? You do two days though. So like, because especially with five MEO, it kind of, I say almost like bends your concept of reality, but in a very positive way. So there is, they do it right. I've, I have a lot of experience with other five MEO practitioners. And when you do it there, you have basically pre integration. And then you have two days of Bufo. And then you have a very, very important, I believe it's probably the most important is the post integration with Bufo. It is why do you think that's so important? Because you have to, you're coming back to a life that you, you just experience things that, the totality of existence. You get to feel what it's like to become everything at once in this and everything of existence, not even the planet, you can't even say the planet, like the universe beyond everything and to dissolve into that and to feel the love and the, what it's almost like to be like a, what it's like to be God in a way of feeling everything simultaneously. You really can't come back to normal day to day life. People do. And it really shifts them. And I think it wrecks them. And I think you can't go do Bufo on a Friday and then Monday. And then go back to work on it. Yeah. Yeah, you just shouldn't. There's, it's detrimental. So they have it really set up in a way that you go post to prepare properly because you do need, you need to learn what, what to let go of. What are you doing? Why are you here? And then do it. And then the post is I'm really interested in going to actually visit myself because I mean, I've done it in the middle of these other ceremonies, but we're doing ayahuasca, which is really intense to begin with. Yeah, which gives you such big downloads and the, and the themes are completely different, right? Ayahuasca, you can observe, go through a process, go through a problem, come out the other side, make a conclusion with Bufo is just so quick. It's like 15 minutes, you're in your own. And then you're kind of going through the motion and the process and integrating post ceremony, right? I say ayahuasca is like a, it's like you're sitting down. It's very powerful, but it's like sitting down for a lecture. Yeah. Right? Like you're told these messages, it's beautiful, but you wrote it down and now it's on, it's, it's on you to utilize it, which you should. But if you go back to day to day life, your way of thinking shifts again, and you might fade away from that. And with Bufo, it is the most experiential thing. So you, you know, I always say it's kind of like, um, Nio says in the matrix, it's like you with Bufo, you, as you exhale, you're, you dissolve into like I said, the totality of existence. And once you wake up, it's like you just downloaded a whole new software update. And it's kind of like where Nio is like, Oh, I know Kung Fu now. Yeah. You know, and like you experienced it. So it's not a, Hey, someone told me, and this is what I'm going to regurgitate. You live it. And so you really, I can, I couldn't, I couldn't imagine I spent after like four days at the Costa Rica airport, I could just feel everything of everyone. And I was like, I couldn't imagine the next day going on a plane and getting there because you're so open and you need to protect yourself. And so they do it right with the post integration aspect of it. What do you think for our listeners? Cause it's been so fascinating for them to learn about quantum energy, how it works, how it can heal you, how it can really enhance your life. And you know, living in these negative EMF times, but there's a solution now. What do you think you want to leave people with, which is one thing that they should learn or take away from the brand that you guys are building. That's really going to help them besides everything that we've discussed. Yeah, just the benefits of, of not having external stressors in your life and what it can do for you. I think really again, we have so many things, even though they're silent, it's almost like someone behind us yelling in our ear that we can't hear it, like your body responds and, and just being okay, like, like the synergistic aspect, which is the goal is to not be afraid, not, you know, put your phone in a caraday, a Faraday cage or, or look at things as negative. It's like, how can we be in harmony with this? And again, you know, just the fear can be way more unhealthy. And that's one thing I just absolutely appreciate about Phillip and their technology they created was just live with it in harmony. I really appreciate just, you know, I have a fast-paced life. I run a marketing agency. I have this podcast. I'm on the go a lot. So anything for me that can help like slow me down and enhances my cortisol dropping and reducing inflammation in my body in a way that I have to work extra for it. So something I keep on me and I wear and it just kind of does its job. He's been such a gift. I think that's so rewarding. And then having something in my house also that can just charge the energy of the home, energy for our food and just not be another task that I have to take on. Another thing that I have to do on my to-do list has just been really rewarding for me. Yeah. And it takes care of plants. Yeah. That's a really cool thing, by the way, in your house. It does. Yeah, we have, um, oh yeah, of course, you can see, uh, we can see like what it does to vegetables and the growth of vegetables, like in gardens and stuff. So in our house too, but we also have plenty of our, you know, house plants that makes them happy. I need to get one of these bigger blocks now to the studio because I want to make sure that when we're in here, every guest who comes in here sits down and is having a great experience. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming down and recording with me. I was so curious to learn more about quantum energy. I think you answered so many of my questions and so many, I think, of our guest questions that they're going to have. And if you're listening to this guys and you have an electric car, go out and test it and then put a little lila gadget in your car to offset some of the energy. I'm not telling you to sell your car, but make sure. Well, that's the thing. You can use a tool. We also have quantum upgrade. Yes. Which is a digital, it's quantum entanglement, which is for a whole nother story, but that alone will take care of it too. So look at our quantum upgrade and put it on your car. Amazing. Thank you so much, Todd. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you for tuning into Biohack It. If you've enjoyed today's episode, please don't forget to subscribe, rate and leave a short review. It really helps us reach more listeners just like you. Follow us on Instagram at biohack dash it for exclusive content and the latest updates. Remember, your health is in your hand and curiosity heals.