Week 18 Recap: The Most Steelers Game Ever, Seattle's Dominance, MVP Debates, Playoffs are Set, Myles Garrett's Record, and Madonna is Before Our Time

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One of the best games I've ever football games I've ever seen in my entire life. We're letting off the leash, Craig. Look, I'm not a religious man, but when I saw the priest out there pregame splashing holy water in the end zone, you know, I debated going to church that Sunday and I just might because Aaron Rodgers is my pastor. I don't know. That was that was the most perfect Pittsburgh Steelers game in every way. That is exactly who they are as a football team and who they've been as a as a franchise for the last 20 years since Ben Rothesburg or step foot on the field. That is exactly who the Pittsburgh Steelers are and we fucking did it. Steelers are in the playoffs. Yeah, baby. The what was the most Steelers moment? Was it when you lit all three of your second half timeouts on fire for no reason? There's so many. What a great category, DK. Wow. Or was it when your most like the most reliable kicker maybe in the NFL? Miss the extra point that would have put them up three or was it when the Rogers is helmet broke and then I think you got another helmet and they swapped helmets again. Yeah, or was it when Alex Highsmith literally had Lamar wrapped around his arms and couldn't sack him and then gave up a 50 yards and then that happened again the next possession another 50 hours. Everything you guys just said was in the final four and a half minutes of the game. Yeah, that all happened in five minutes. Craig, what were you? What position were you sitting in during the second half here? Like what was your range of emotions when you're watching this game? I didn't move. I sat on the couch the entire time. Just frozen. When when loop missed the kick, Liz, my wife was sitting at the kitchen table next to me. I said, oh my God, he missed it and I stood up out of the couch. Wow. I yeah, I want to look. I think we cancel all the plans for this pod. We just talked about this game for an hour and a half. I gotta tell you I could. I could. I could work my way through every goddamn play. So where do we start? I think so the school is one is the school is one twenty six to twenty four. I want to really I think to your point this really was Raven Steelers bingo because it had this game had everything it had TJ Y intercepting the more. You know why I think this was a perfect game, perfect Raven Steelers game. I think the way you feel about the Steelers is also how Ravens fans feel about the Ravens, which is this game had everything where you believed and then felt stupid for believing in all of the players and coaches on your team and that felt that way for both teams because I think Ravens the Ravens came out and it was like, oh my God, the first play Derek Kenner runs for forty seven yards and it's like, oh, the Ravens are going to destroy the Steelers just like last year and it's going to be a romp. And then honestly, the Ravens were like, should have been ramming the Steelers off the field and then around the beginning of the third quarter, you were just lamenting the whole game, how badly the Steelers are playing. And then you texted us at what point have the Steelers actually outplayed the Ravens? Uh-huh. Yeah, the middle chunk of the game, the momentum completely switched and the Steelers were out playing Baltimore. They were moving the ball down the field. Like the Steelers genuinely cannot create big plays. So the only option they have is to like have eight minute, nine minute drives and it's what they were doing and the Ravens and Lamar look completely discombobulated. Lamar was very, his pocket presence tonight was super weird. He was missing stuff even though he was, he was able to evade some sacks. But yeah, until the fourth quarter, when the Ravens turned it on, I think the Steelers were just like dominating the game, commanding the game. They could run the ball. Rogers played well. Rogers played really well, I thought. And then the fourth quarter, you know, everything went off the rails as they should. This was such a good metaphor for the entire season of just listening to Craig talk about the Steelers. It ends with Tomlin blowing kisses into the, into the camera. He beat his chest and he was just like, that was unbelievable. This is the most, it's so over we're so back. Yeah. Season the Steelers have ever had. I can't believe, I mean, the fact that the Steelers fans wanted Tomlin to be, I mean, they were chanting fire, Tomlin at a football game like, like a month ago. They were booing Renegade a month ago. DK, I just, I mean, I just looking at the statistics here are just unbelievable. I mean, the disparity Lamar Jackson, you can't look at stats in Steelers games. Stats are for losers. No, but the matter. But Lamar had 238 yards and Aaron Rogers had 294. So they were 60 yards apart. Rogers threw 30 more passes. Lamar was 11 for 18 and Rogers was 31 for 47. Yeah. Yeah. I think there was a point in the game where they saw this tweet that it Rogers had like 31 pass attempts and Lamar had eight. There was a point in the game and like Craig, Craig laid out perfectly. It was like the momentum shifted several different times in this game. So it felt like one team was dominating than the other totally took over. There was one point in the game where I was like, man, what the hell happened to the Ravens? They just look so shitty. They don't, they have one receiver that can do anything. And then of course that was the one receiver that the Steelers decided not to match up with on two like of the biggest plays in the game in Zay flowers. And so yeah, this was just a wild game. And you know, as soon as I had kind of counted out Lamar Jackson, he came back and made that miraculous play. That was a one in a million play, one in a thousand at least because like the fact that he even escaped that sack was incredible. And then he threw and then he like directed traffic and lobbed up like a perfectly placed pass down the field to Zay flowers. The camera pans and I'm like, Patrick Queen, the middle linebacker, is guarding Zay flowers. Yeah, what is he doing? What's going on? The one receiver on the team that we have to worry about is Zay flowers. We have Patrick Queen chasing him down the field, ten yards behind him. Yeah. Chris Collinsworth being like, that's the most open area of the field I've ever seen, Mike. It was unbelievable. It's funny because the beginning of the game, the story was and Chris Collinsworth nailed this that the Steelers offense could, it didn't exist without DK Metcalf. I mean, they had this, I mean, they got Adam Thielen. It's essential. Scotty Miller, Marquez Valdescailing. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say I don't never mind what these guys play for other playoff teams. I don't know if those guys would make the active roster on game day. MBS, Marquez Valdescailing at seven targets. Who made a crucial third down catch. I can't remember third or fourth down like something he does eight out of a hundred times. Some like, you know what Rogers did this, this game that I was happy about? No back shoulder throws. He learned at least that. All right. Adam Thielen and Marquez Valdescailing at least they can not complete back shoulder throws. Great. Marquez Valdescailing started the season on the Seahawks. I didn't know that. I think you're right. No, this game was unbelievable. I mean, at this, I thought it was so over when they flashed the graphic. Ray Rogers has played playing football for a long time and they flashed a graphic that said Aaron Rogers had with since DK Metcalf had been suspended. Basically, they had done six quarters without a touchdown, which was the longest stretch of Aaron Rogers's entire career. That was in the middle of this game. And then they went and scored two touchdowns in like two minutes, including is how they swapped his helmet out twice. I maybe I was wrong. He went back and forth. I don't think I've ever seen a helmet swapped out twice in two place. It looked like he went through three different helmets in total. He was fucking yelling at Arthur Smith. This is not working either. I thought it was Danny Kelly the way he screamed at Arthur Smith. I was like, this is the first time Danny Kelly's ever loved Aaron Rogers. This is it was like DK trying to use a Bluetooth speaker screaming. Seriously, it's like when your parents run speaker. Seriously, dude, I don't think I've ever seen an old man clinic quite like what the Steelers put on today between Cam Hayward, who is fantastic 36 year old team captain, Cam Hayward and 42 year old Aaron Rogers. They did the post game interview on the field. I can't remember the last time or if this has ever happened where the two players interviewed after I went both were covered in gray hair. I think it's Rogers the oldest 42 year old ever. It's funny because he's like this health that guy, you know, and it does all this like alternative stuff, but he he is just like the Brian Johnson. The guy trying to live forever. I'm like, he's the opposite. He looks like he's been smoking a pack of heaters every day for the last 30 years. I'm pretty sure like Anne Hathaway's 42. Go look at it. Right. It looked like they live on living planets. But yeah, man, I mean, that that touchdown pass to Calvin Austin in this in the fourth quarter was incredible. He was he was letting loose down the field. They hit for our youth down the seam on one play. Rogers was fucking fantastic. Yeah. And for what he is given, I mean, he's playing with Jalen Ward and Kenneth Gainmore, the best players in the team. They are both fantastic. The wide receivers are picked up off the street. I've never wanted or appreciated DK MacHeft more than this game and last game. I mean, the fact that they had to do this without him, I can't wait to get him back. The whole game, I kept thinking, I hate that fucking Lions fan. I hate that. He ruined everything. I hate that clown. I hate that clown. I think MacHeft earned all 30 million dollars each year tonight because I want him back so bad. I have we have to go. I have to admit just because Raven's fans are probably screaming, but is, you know, obviously the game really changed when, as Craig said it over text to us, the Steelers offense is so bad that Raven's defenders are crashing into each other like vultures for like the picky the carcass and that play where Kyle Hamilton crashed into a lowy Gilman. And again, yeah, brutal. Why these $11 billion franchise valuation teams can't have two blue tents always like the fact that there's a line outside the blue tent to evaluate Kyle Hamilton nightclub. Yeah, exactly. Like the best safety like, Hey, busy guy. I got one in one out. And so they're waiting for Gilman to come out. So Hamilton can go back in. Yeah, he's hurt. And then Gilman's banged up clearly. And like the game and that really is when suddenly Valda scantling and everyone seemed to be able to catch passes and everything that changed. Now, I don't want to hear about injuries from the Ravens and I get in fall. A lot both guards for the Ravens ended up coming in and out of this game. But when the Steelers, it's probably the worst passcatching group on a competitive team since at least the late Brady teams. And that was when you wouldn't count. Cronk. It was unbelievable. But DK, what did you make? There's so much to talk about in this game. We got to go back to all the fourth and ones and the end of the hat. They do the Steelers go for fourth and one early. They get a tush push with Cam Hayward shoving Connor Hayward, his younger brother, they don't get it. The Ravens get a field goal out of that. And then it was it was fourth and one, but it was really fourth and two fourth and fourth and one seven yards and they run a seven push push, which I thought was a horrible play call and they don't get it. Yeah, you're right. And it turned into a field goal. I'm happy they went for it at the end of the half. I thought that was the right call. Ultimately, they didn't get it. But they didn't do the tush push at the end of the half, which almost cost the Steelers the season because then they cowered out of the tush push and they do this crazy play to Kenneth Gainwell. That horrible play. He can't get a toss. Happened there. It seemed like they when they motioned, I forget at this point, it was so many plays ago, they motioned a tight end of receiver over. Think he'd be man and I guess they thought he'd be cover or follow him. But then the guy they stayed so they had one blocker for two guys and so they had Kenneth Gainwell trying to outflank. It really didn't make any sense. Yeah, I think they were trying to get the motion going to the right. They're trying to get, you know, the eye candy all going to the right and then tossed to the left. It was just like a classic, whatever counter type play just didn't work. Maybe Arthur Smith thought he had Bajon Robinson instead of. Well, who did you get Kenneth Gainwell? I mean, Kenny, Kenny Gainwell is a good receiver, but he's not like the most explosive guy. It's been better the last month. But hyphens and then so they don't. So they run the push push on fourth and basically do. Don't get it. Then they don't run the push push on like fourth and one to end the half and then they don't get it. And then they do run the push push later with Conor Hayward and do get it. And they get and I will say, but the net the whole reason all the math and the analytics and everything fourth downs, it's not that complicated. It's succeeding once is worth more than settling for a field goal twice. Sevens worth more than six. So when they get the touchdown, that ends up basically being the margin of the game. It's 26-24, then going for the touchdown and then getting it kind of ended up like kind of winning the game. Yeah. But DK, I'm curious what you think. I agree with Greg though. I think this was probably the best game Rogers has played for the Steelers since week one when he throttled the Jets. Yeah, I mean, he looks sharp. He didn't look he didn't look his age. There was even a point where you like scrambled and kind of picked up some yards and tried to like truck a guy. Well, here's the perfect time to drop the stat that Aaron Rogers has more 20 yard runs of the season than Lamar Jackson, which is hilarious. That is, you know, we're going to have to do a category at the end of the show, which is one. He has one. But we did the rewatchable one rush of 20 plus early. That is that might be the stat of the year. Rogers is more 20 in one yard runs of Lamar. Dude Lamar. Yeah, Lamar. I mean, he's clearly not himself right now. Like just when he's moving around outside the pocket, there was a couple times he got outside and ran and I mean, he definitely made some things happen, but he did not look like himself whatsoever. But yeah, fun game. It sucks that it came down to kicks as usual. And then the young new kicker just fucking missed it. But I did. I did tell Liz. I was like, oh, that guy's a rookie and he just lost the game for his team to not play off. And she was like, oh my God, I feel so bad. Yeah, that's the time of the pickers. The worst feeling in the world. It's like, you know, Atlas like they Atlas is to trick her. He used to hold the weight of the world at his shoulders and then like he tricks him to take it back. And it's like that is I feel like that is Boswell. Like Boswell just has the weight of like, oh, my entire life will just be different now. Yeah. And then like two minutes go by and fucking Tyler loop just takes it from him. I was like, oh my God. I wonder if loop was freaked out by by Boswell's miss kick. Like what's going on out there? What kind of wizardry is taking place on if he missed it? Yeah. He missed it from 25. Yeah. I got to say, I thought the Ravens, I thought it was very interesting clock management and play calling down that down the stretch that final that final series where one Lamar didn't pass it to DeAndre Hopkins on that rollout. And I know he wanted DeAndre to run up the field, but that looks like a guy he could have hit and gotten at least 10 yards out of that. And they were discussing that. And then they worked their way down to where this was. I think it was a 42 yard fuel goal for Tyler loop. What did you get? It was they had 12 seconds left and a timeout and they decided to just like position the ball, call the timeout and have loop coming and kicking rather than try and run a play. You could have probably gotten another five, seven yards and then call the timeout and then you would have had to kick it wherever they caught the ball, obviously. But I thought that was 42 is not that close. Teams do this all the time. It's weird. Yeah. 44 yard field goal. I think it would feel even stranger if this wasn't a year where so many long kicks have been made. Mike Tarika, who is the man and always on just Mike Tarika is the I think the best play by play. And he made the point of Tyler loop all his misses being from 52 plus. So I think that that's the point is the 44 yards over and over. I think the reason, frankly, is John Harbaugh, I think was really pissed about all the holdings that ended the drive in the first half of the Ravens. The Ravens had all these flags. I think John, I think they were just like, we've come too far. We're going to like, if you told me we can make a 44 year fuel goal to make the playoffs three months ago, I would have done anything for that. And I think that's honest. You could have even run the ball. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They could have run the ball and imagine honestly, your Steelers fan as DK has noted, all analytics are just trying to figure out what the opposing fans want. Sure. Didn't you want one more chance to make Derek Henry fumble? Wouldn't you have rather that traded that opportunity for like Derek Henry getting four more yards? I don't know. I don't think so. Give me the opportunity to get like a sack or something. Yeah. I think I think like a 44 yard fuel goal with a rookie. I wanted that over them trying to get five yards closer or something. DK, if so, if the Ravens had ran one more play with Derek Henry to try to get closer and you're you were a Steelers fan, would you? But you would have been like excited for that. Right? I'm telling you, I would not have been. I was I was happy that they decided to lose two yards by placing the ball and kick it. I thought they were too far away. I will the more he went too far backward on the Neil. That bothered me. He lost how many he lost two yards on it. I'm like just going to be 42 yard of there on the 25 and then it became a 40. Very enthusiastically backward. I don't know. That was the most snipsnap like the emotional tall game I can. That was unbelievable. I don't think that's one of the better week 18 final games I've ever seen. I don't know that. I think the last game of the year. Dude, I don't think anything will ever top that Chargers Raiders game in week 18. There's a grand and staley versus Herbert did all the fourth downs and everyone kept joking going into that game like, oh, if they tie, they both make it. Can you imagine and like everyone just said that for a week and then suddenly like we're in overtime and it's like, oh my God, they're going to tie and they kind of looked across the sidelines and brand Steelers fucked it up. But this game honestly might be second in terms of like one of the best week 18 games I think it being Raven Steelers and it's like in Pittsburgh, it's January, like the just the history of these two teams made it that much better. Even having Collins worth on the call made it that much better. Aaron Rogers in the more half like what six MVPs between them. Dude, I felt like it was 2008 watching this game. It was fantastic in every single way. Rogers was was I mean, I kind of love Roger still doing the old school. I feel like he's the only quarterback left still playing football. The way old quarterbacks do where he's just like out there like yelling. He's like, MBS, come here. He's like drawing routes on his hand and I just I love it, man. It's like it's green. I think we're living in a green. I think it's so true. Yeah, he's like trying to catch 12 men on the field at all times. Like no one else is doing that. I love it. Oh my God. Is that the only thing he says? It's green 18, right? Isn't that what he says? Yeah. Yeah. Wonder how long he's been saying that. Do you guys think I'm crazy for? I want to talk about this the moment when the Steelers when the Steelers scored that that kind of blown coverage or whatever that was to Calvin Austin that put them up to there was 55. Oh, yeah, yeah. I thought they should have gone for two. I immediately texted it before anything because I was like 55 seconds and the Ravens have three timeouts with the new kickoff rules and how good kickers are. And I was like, they are obviously going to get into field goal range. And if we just go for two now, I think they would have secured the win. And of course, Boswell ends up missing it anyway. So we're still in this do or die situation up to, but I thought they should have went for two. Yeah. Hindsight 100%. Yeah. Totally. I thought in the moment, in the moment, it was like just get get the point like, you know, and then make it three point game and then like force them to actually execute. You know what I mean? And they didn't execute the obviously like once once Boswell missed the kick, like the equation changed, but I think they still probably just you just take the odds of hitting hitting the extra point and then going back and forcing the Ravens to execute and actually get a field goal. Yeah. I mean, either way, if they missed the field goal, you win even if you go for two and don't get it. So I was kind of like, I don't know that I think this wins the game. If you go for two and get it, you got wins again. Maybe you take a timeout and think about it. You're saying that even after their fork down like the pitch played again, while where they fucked it up, like you want them to go for two. I don't think I think going for two would have been a little crazy. It would have been a very fade to fucking MVS in the end zone. They would have been the weather fuck that we do that. Also, I loved when the helmet kept going out. Chris Collinsworth was like, so why does it Aaron just call a play? That's what he does all the other times. It's like all this guy wants is to run the office is like, hey, Aaron, you can't even hear your coaches. Is it this kind of your dream? I can't believe the Steelers went 10 and seven. I want Rogers back. I do. I want him back next year. You know what? I legitimately found myself during and this is like so funny because I have always just kind of been, you know, anti Rogers the last couple of years because of like some of the shit he says. But when they were when they were lining up to the kick the Ravens were and I thought that the Steelers were going to lose, I was like, damn, this might be the way he goes out. That would suck. Like I kind of want him to come back. And I think now, regardless of what happens in the playoffs, we'll probably come back. He has to do. I have also, I'm sorry, we have to mention this, this viral post was going around that someone said Aaron Rogers would throw my grandmother at my grandmother's ashes a back shoulder route if it was a one on one. I mean, yeah, but next year it will be a lot of that with DK Metcalf, but an actual off season to practice. I have to say, I thought generally Rogers is pretty good this year. I enjoyed watching him play. I think regardless of the dumb ass shit he says on Joe Rogan's podcast, like on the field, the players like Rogers. I think Rogers is awesome to watch. Everybody seems to like him. I thought he did a great job in the media this year, like in his pressers talking about his teammates, talking about his love for Pittsburgh. And Mike Tomlin and the leadership and what it was like being the organization. I thought he played great for a fucking 42 year old who's had an Achilles' Territus. Like, I thought he was as good as you could have ever wanted from Aaron Rogers coming to play for the Steelers this year. Well, going forward. So looking at some of these playoff matchups, so the Steelers now are going to host the Texans, right? Monday night. Which is wild because on one hand, the Texans defense is going to look very different than this Raymond's defense. Certainly. It's going to hound him. And that's the other thing. DK, you talking about how Rogers looked young tonight and whatever. I mean, the Ravens had zero pass rush. And that is a big reason why Rogers was able to do what he did. That's not going to be the case with DeNeal Hunter and Will Anderson. Right. I will say though, like in terms of play, in terms of matchup styles, makes fights or whatever. I think this is a good matchup for the Steelers relative to some of the other ones. Yeah. Steelers could absolutely win this game. Yeah. It's hilarious. I mean, I don't trust CJ Stroud. I don't trust CJ Stroud. Somebody leaked. I don't know if this was fake or not. Who knows it these days. We should just caveat that with literally everything we say. I saw it like I saw that it was Fandall or DraftKings. I don't know who apologized in advance. We'll say it's DraftKings because they did it wrong. But they put up an early line. It was Houston, Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh was favored by minus one and a half like in the first quarter of tonight's game. And everyone's like, oh, the script has been written like the NFL knows. Steelers are stressed to win. And so I'm curious what the line ends up being. Is it out yet? What is it? Right now I'm seeing Texans minus two and a half. Oh, OK. So here, let me read this full playoff schedule or anything else. You guys on Steelers Raven specifically. That was unbelievable. I just I continually just crack up at the state of the Steelers receiving core. Fucking Adam Thielen, who forced his team to release him so he could go play for Contender and came in like came in like the last two weeks. Yeah. MVS who they picked up off the off the couch a couple of weeks ago. Now I'm like, dude, with DK Metcalfe, we're unstoppable. Calvin Austin looked like like salvation. He like thank God he was back. I know. It's just so funny that an NFL team with that caliber and this history, especially of a history of having some of the best receivers of all time. Like this was their thing. They got the best receivers. That has to be the most memorable game of the year. It was really fun. I mean, maybe the Ram Seahawks game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also think it's worth noting that both MVS and Adam Thielen were both of three different teams this season. That is the guys that they're trotting out there in the in the gate, like the clinching game of the season. Hilarious. Ram Seahawks Steelers Ravens, maybe that Packers Bears game or Caleb through that touchdown trying to think of that. That that yeah, they're it. That one though is probably going to be the most. So the playoff schedule. So we have it here and we'll go through a lot of these games. But while the playoffs are here, by the way, I'm so hyped. Yeah, I can't wait for the playoffs. This feels like the most unpredictable playoffs and that I can remember. It does. It does feel that way. So Saturday, the as Bill and Sal would call it the shakies game. So the Rams are at the Panthers and which is just funny, especially since the Panthers are the worst team in the playoffs, but they actually beat the Rams. I know it's wild. Yeah. The Packers are at the Bears, which I want to talk to you guys about very much. I believe that's a pick them Sunday. There's three games. Bills are at the Jaguars. The Niners are at Philadelphia. The Chargers are at New England. And then Monday night is going to be the Texans at the Pittsburgh Steelers, which is incredible. So with that said, what do you feel about the Monday night game that getting the Monday night game, Craig? I absolutely love it. And it gives Rogers an extra day to rest. That old man. I think that's a big deal. If they played Saturday versus Monday, that's a big swing for 42. Yeah. The body. Yeah. We have to talk about one of the teams, though, that is not on that list, which is the Seattle Seahawks. Hmm. The first round by in the NFC, the number one seed, DK goes to your Seattle Seahawks who I can't believe this kind of spanked the 49ers on Saturday. Kinda. They I mean, everything but the scoreboard. Let's be clear. It was 13 to three, but that game very much should have been 26 to three Seahawks. DK, how do you feel your team is literally the number one seed in the NFC? It feels very strange to be totally honest, because at no point did I feel like the Seahawks were a number one seed type of team coming into the year. I thought I was always offended. I told you guys at the beginning of the year that I loved that if we could go back and find this at some point, like I was pissed because I want to say. One of the books had the Seahawks win total exactly the same as the Cardinals. And I was like, that is just insulting. Get out of here. Are you fucking kidding me? They won 10 games last year. And now now everyone's all on the the Cardinals jock or whatever. So I was just like really offended by that. The Cardinals, by the way, won three games. So that's cool. How do you finish dead last? Yeah, what did they finish dead last? They won three games. The Seahawks won 14. Second third pick in the draft. Wait, I have to look this up. You just I just I forgot it till right now. I actually had the Seahawks to win the Super Bowl at 70 to one. Do you? Which is the hell? Yes, they were 70. How much did you put on it? Be honest. Fucking not enough. How much? Tell me. I'm trying to desperately trying to find the bet, but I have to figure out what state it was that you had to bet 20 bucks, 10 bucks. Yeah, probably 25 bucks. Here's here's what I'll say about the Seahawks coming into this game against the 49ers. I kind of I felt like it would be a really close game. I felt like it would be one of those games where I feel really miserable afterwards. But the Seahawks fucking dominated in San Francisco in a game that was really important to both teams. They they out gained the 49ers 361 yards, 173 out, rushed on 180 to 53. This was the worst offensive game in the Kyle Shanhan era. There's all these caveats that 49ers fans would throw out and I and I think it's valid like Trent Williams was not in there. You could argue Kittle's probably not fully healthy, but still this was like a make or break game, not make or break, but like a very important game. Trent Williams hasn't played what the last week or two and Brock Purdy has like 10 touchdowns in those games. I don't care. Trent Williams missed the game. They scored three fucking points that couldn't move. I'm trying to be fair. I'm trying to be fair. You try to be fair. It was absolutely dominant. You know why you don't have to be fair because the Niners had Nick Mullins and Jimmy Garoppolo and like the like the quarterbacks, the Niners have trotted out over the course of this era. Like it was the Niners. The the I felt like I watched the entire spectrum of the Niners offense between the Bears game a week ago that felt like eons ago and this CX or six days or whatever, it was unbelievable. The difference between the Niners in one week. The Brock Purdy passing chart, you know how and next gen stats, does their passing charts? I mean, it looked like something Bryce Young would put out. It was it was like nothing past 10 yards, a bunch of stuff to the side, you know, basically just trying to manufacture offense. So CX absolutely put the clamps on and that makes me really confident, obviously for the CX. This is a like we said before, this is a weird playoffs. It feels like anybody can win. I think the Seahawks have a Super Bowl defense and it just kind of depends on what they do with Sam Darnold. If he can continue to like play at least a little bit more disciplined football. He didn't have any turnovers in this game. Thank God. I think because that would have been a huge deal because this was such a close game. Seahawks fucked it up. Their kicker missed two easy kicks and they had a fourth down conversion that went awry. It was just like they tried a lot of ways like keep this game close, but I do think with this defense, with the personnel that they have, the coaching from Mike McDonald is incredible. Devon Willerspoon and Nick Emmanuari are two very unique players and it really helps that they can match up with run heavy teams, seems that are balanced, seems that want to be physical and they can do that in like nickel and dime defenses because they have these DBs that can basically play the run like they're linebackers. So the Seahawks defensively have, I think like it's a type of defense. I haven't really seen this type of defense for Seattle in particular, but for really any team since like the L.O.B. era, that's really how it feels. It's so amazing and it's funny because to deeply oversimplify what the Seahawks did with the Legion of Boom and Pete Carroll who RIP, you know, today, but what the Seahawks did 12 years ago with the Legion of Boom was to oversimplify it. The lead changed the rules with Howard Severs and you could contact them and everyone on offense, it was about speed and everyone was getting faster and there was a feeling that defense you had to go faster and the Seahawks went the other way and they're like, we're actually get more physical and we're going to hit you more. And so they played this defense that was totally predictable and you knew it was going to happen, but they were bigger than you and there was nothing you could do and they were going to execute and out physical. And now the Seahawks defense is one of the best defenses we've seen since that Legion of Boom Seahawks defense, except instead of being predictable play to play, it is completely unpredictable and it all looks the same, but you don't know what is going to happen. The illusion of complexity. Yeah. And it's all just like they're trying to confuse you before the play and then again after the play every single time, but they've done the same thing whereas everyone's getting bigger and everyone's going to have more tight ends on the field and everyone's trying out physical. The Seahawks really feel like we're going to be smaller. We're not even going to match your side. Like they're doing a different thing, but they're doing the same thing because they're like, we're not going to match your side. We're going in some ways speed. They're going speed and speed as opposed to matching the size, which is, it's fascinating. So Mike McDonald, I mean, Greg Rosenthal, who we love, he said he was going to vote for Mike McDonald's coach of the year, which I think is totally valid because if you think about the fact that he's calling the best defense of the league and they also went and had the 14 games, that's amazing, but 14 wins. They had the best point differential in the NFL by far. Eight of their wins have been double digits. They've been pretty much dominating it. And the other thing that I want to point out about Mike McDonald before we move off of him, I just, I do think I really appreciate him as a coach because and he talks about this in a lot of his press conferences is he coaches effort. And you know, if you don't have a ton of effort and you don't hit and you don't like rally to the football on every play and all that, he's like, you know, even when a guy makes a bad play or when he's like plays not very well in the game, you hear McDonald talking about like, well, I'm going to go back and watch the tape and see what the effort was like, you know, coach, blah, blah, blah, blah, and man, the Seahawks just rally to the football. That was one of the big differences in this game was the 49ers miss like crazy. Yeah. The 49ers missed like 15 and 20 tackles in this game and the Seahawks missed almost it was like three or four tackles in this game that they missed. And so that to me is just so satisfying to watch as a fan. It's like, man, they just tackle so well. It's it's just so, you know, it's like almost like a primal feeling. It's like, man, our defense can fucking tackle. I just love watching that type of defense. DK's all horned up. Yeah. Craig, you got a little horned up too. So just let me have my time. Oh, I'm I'm I'm very happy if you just the Seahawks deserve it. I think it's awesome that the NFC runs through Seattle now. I honest, I thought I thought while the wind was very important, obviously, I just thought this was huge for Sam Darnold's confidence. Oh, yeah. Week 18 last year in Minnesota, Darnold goes 18 for 41. They get killed by the Lions and then the rest is history against the Rams and the Wildcard. Like I just thought that was massively important for kind of just like peace of mind going into the playoffs with Sam Darnold. I thought he made a lot of huge plays. I really like they kept throwing the ball like into the third and fourth quarter, they still relied on him. He was great on the move. They kept throwing. He made big plays with his legs. I thought that was like a very reassuring Sam Darnold performance across the board. Yeah, totally. I honestly, I mean, Caleb Williams played his best game of the year against the Niners defense and then I thought Sam Darnold played better than the number of shell against the Niners D. And I'm curious to see how the Eagles do. But before we leave the Niners, I do have to say I have to read you this. Just one of those that sounds like fan fiction. Quarterbacks who have won 14 games two years in a row. Tom Brady, Sam Darnold. Yeah, I can't believe that's that kind of is a little different because of the 16 game schedules. The switch to 17 makes it a lot easier to do that because I was like, man, Rogers and fucking Brady and Mahomes and Peyton Manning. No one's ever done that. But even if you Craig, even if you like shorten it to 13 and kind of account for it, it's it's like all Hall of Famers and Sam Darnold. Totally. Yeah, it's crazy. Darnold has as many wins the last two seasons as the Jets as a team do the past six years. God, God. They have. All right. What are your like? What do you expect out of the Seahawks? Like what what what what like what will make you happy enough to consider this season? Are you already like, you know what, whatever happens? We were 14 and three in the one seed and Darnold was great. Mike Donald's awesome. This is awesome. Or are you like they need to make the Super Bowl or this is a disappointment now? I think thinking about it, if they don't win in the divisional round, it'll be a huge disappointment just because you were gone this far and then to like blow it at home after winning 14 games after winning the one seed like that would be a huge disappointment. Obviously, I mean, it's Super Bowl or Bust because that all the games are going to be at home. I agree. If you lose the divisional round, that's not saying I'm you're putting where's my mouth? I'm not saying Super Bowl or Bust, but if they lose in the divisional round, that would be a disappointment for sure. Dude, I thought them running the ball against like Kenneth Walker turned into Saquon Barkley. Oh, that's the other thing that we do need to mention is the Seahawks. And this is something that I've been like railing on, you know, whenever I talk to my buddies about the Seahawks, I'm like, they just can't be so one dimensional early on in the year. The Seahawks were just, you know, lighting up teams by going to JSN down the field and then teams started to like adjust to that. They needed to have like a second punch and they've been running the ball a lot better the last like three or four games. That's not to say that's not necessarily that they've been like awesome running the ball, but they're at least able to kind of create some explosives from that. Both Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet had huge explosive plays in this game for on the ground. Mike Sando had a stat that said I couldn't believe this either. There have been four running back carries this season on third and 15 or longer. They got a first down. Yeah, four carries by running back. White flag inside handoffs are actually good. All four of those carries were by the Seahawks. Yeah, I saw that as well, but that was I saw that from Nate Tice. So I don't know who did it first, but Shad's out. Nate Tice and Mike Sando unbelievable. I mean, Kenneth Walker is one of the fruit like when you just like bring the aliens down and have them watch football and I like show them Kenneth Walker in certain place. He looks as good as anybody. And he's a funny. This is what I always trying to say, Craig. This is what you're speaking my language here. But you guys heard him talk. He's one of them like helium voices guy. He does have a kind of a high voice and there was one play in this game. And this is, I think the problem with Kenneth Walker is like in what drives people crazy about there's one play where they did like a swing past screen to this to the edge and there's like one defender and one Seahawks blocker. Jake Bobo, I think it was. And then like Kenneth Walker just like ran directly into the defender and like got I don't know. I don't did he run into Jake Bobo or did Jake get launched into Ken Walker? I think it was like a little bit of both. But those types of plays that were I think what drive a lot of Seahawks and crazy, but then I mean, I'm like, man, how can you like see the other plays that he man his game and have any problem? You know why? It's because sometimes Ken Walker runs the way, say, flowers runs, which is like, what are you doing? Runs. Yeah, he's he's a little bit. You know, crab. Yeah. Yeah, he's a crab. So again, OK, so what's that said? I was going to say one more thing. It just feels like having Rashid Shahid is like a joker card in the deck. Like I just think he's going to like what we already the Al Michaels play where he Shahid Shahid. He's just like one of those guys where when you're in the playoffs, you know that he is like such a valuable piece that is going to make a game changing, big plays, punt returns. Yeah, kick returns. Such an X factor that they have him. The biggest beneficiary of the offense, the offense will have for the for the buy is getting the extra week to figure out what the two shot plays are. The one shot played each half will be for a sheet she heed. Man, set up the play action like like he's going to have a 50 yard touchdown probably in the divisional round and they're going to figure it out next week. But if the Steelers and the Seahawks are in the Super Bowl, what are we doing? Are we going? We're going to go to that game. We're live streaming it. Yeah, yeah, it's going to like strip. You're going to do a go fund me and take a clothing. Unfortunately, there's no fucking way the Steelers make the Super Bowl. I think the Seahawks very well can make the Super Bowl. So yeah. OK, we got to go through some of these other games here. While we're on this Niners, the so the Niners lost obviously look terrible. They're playing the Eagles in Philadelphia. Yikes. I didn't think the Eagles would make it out of the wild card round. But I got to tell you, it's funny because the Niners look so so good for most of December, but I think the last two weeks have reminded me that the Niners are like just. Is it important to say Narcan for offenses? Maybe that's important taste, but I think they're going to revive the Eagles offense. Like I just. Yeah, their defense is not good. I mean, it's not been playing well. They they're out of several of their most important players, obviously. But can I can I give you another stat? That just I think sums up the Niners entering the Seahawks game. Nick Bosa was has the third most sacks on the Niners. How many games you play this year? Two. Good Lord. He got hurt in the first quarter of week three. And Nick Bosa is still third. He's two sacks. And it still was the third most of the Niners entering that game. The last time the Eagles and the Niners played in the playoffs was that NFC championship game where Brock hurt his elbow, right? Yes. And they didn't have an order back. And then just Johnson got concussed and they invented the emergency quarterback role they have now where you get your third quarterback skips. If he has to go in the game, they invented it because they ran at a quarterback. So do you guys. So you like the Eagles in that game? I kind of still feel like the Niners are going to bounce back. I do like is the wrong word. Do I like the Eagles? Favored. No. Eagles are favored by three and a half. I think that's right. I think the Eagles going into Philly. Their defense is playing really well. That's tough. Yeah, I. Pretty also got kind of banged up. He had like a party got hurt. He hurt his hand. Play of the game. Yeah. The Eagles basically took the week off. I don't know. True. Yeah. It's going to be hard. That's a different. That's why that game was so important. I mean, getting the buy in home field is just massive. Having to fly to Philadelphia. There's all there's interesting. There's an interesting thing this year where I think all of the. Like all the West Coast teams have to fly to the East Coast in round one. The charges are flying to New England. The Rams are flying to Carolina. Houston Pittsburgh and the Niners are flying. Yeah. Houston to Pittsburgh and then the Niners are flying to Philly. The you know, it's funny. The Eagles were pretty not heavily criticized, but a lot of people criticize them for not playing the starters. You could have got the two seed. And I'm like, would you rather host the 49ers or the Packers if you're the Eagles? Wouldn't you rather play the 49ers? Probably. I don't know. I feel like we're just like ignoring the way they played for the last month. Obviously the Seahawks game was down. I would say that's close, but it's not enough for me to like risk all my guys getting hurt. Yeah. Yeah, probably. Okay. The other one big game here we have to recap and then we'll go through the rest of the playoffs here. But so the Rams are going to play the Panthers, but we got to go through this Bucks Panthers. I don't know what to call it other than trial by combat because the Bucks, you know what I mean? The Bucks Panthers, they played this game on Saturday, which we can go through, but I would just summarize it as the Bucks Panthers game on Saturday was just absolutely pouring rain. Like the most rain I've seen. The most rain I think I've seen in a game all year. Torential is the word. The Bucks won 16 to 14. The Bucks dominated Carolina in the first half and the referees dominated Carolina in the second half. So the Panthers lose and then they, it's not over. So then the Falcon Saints just literally becomes like a proxy game for the enemies. I choose my champion. Which yeah, it's literally trial by combat where the Saints were representing the Bucks basically and the Falcons represented the Panthers and the Falcons won. The Cuck chair game. It was the Cuck chair game, which is also, how do you, that was weird. It was just weird that that was the reality and everyone's like, yeah. I know. It was very odd. And what's funny is so the way that the NFC South ended up was the Panthers, the Bucks and the Falcons were all eight and nine and the Saints were six and 11. And now the Falcons who just fired their head coach Raheem Morris and their GM, Terry Fontenau, the Falcons lost to the, to the Jets this year in a ridiculous game. So now you look back and you go, Jesus Christ, if the Falcons could have beaten the Jets, Terry, win the NFC South Raheem Morris obviously doesn't get fired and all of the trajectory of Atlanta changes. The Rams don't get the 13th pick in the draft decade. Did you see Tej Seth posted this, the Falcons were eliminated from the playoffs mathematically on December 7th and they finished tied for first in the division. This division, this is the most pathetic division. I also think it's so funny that like the Bucks and Saints like hate each other. I guess everybody in this division hates each other, but the Bucks and Saints hate each other so much. And then the Bucks just need the Saints to win. And then the Saints can't even fucking go get like get it done for. The Panthers are the nastiest four seat of all time. The Panthers have a worse point differential than the Giants this year. The Panthers were outscored. The Panthers were outscored by their opponents by 69 points this year. The Giants are only 58, 11 points better. The Giants includes a 30 to nothing game over the Falcons. I'm a fan of a team that eaked its way into the playoffs and the Seahawks back in 2010, I believe it was, they were like seven and nine and they still went in there. And then they beat the Saints at home in a crazy game. But this is the saddest team I've ever seen make to play off. So I feel like it's so funny. We can't even do the whole rant, though, because they beat the Rams. Yeah, I know. But they lost. OK, that's true. It was a weird game. But I mean, they lost three other last four games, including the game that could have clinched them the playoffs like they they just fucking eaked their way into the playoffs. And at no point do I have any confidence in this team. I know that they beat the Rams. There's no fucking way that's going to happen again, right? It would be funny if it happened again. The only thing I will say just was the Panthers did get jobbed in that game. That Saturday game, the Bucks outplayed them and they should have been up by more points in the first half. The second half, this guy, Rick Patterson, is this random ref, his field side judge and his crew. And they're like celebrating Rick Patterson. It's wearing like the rec specs from the 70s. And they're like, it's his 30th game. It's his last regular season game ever. He's retiring after the season. And then like, unfortunately, five minutes later, he's explaining to Ted Arowa, Macmillan, why he called him for a phantom OPI that reached a 31 yard gain in the pouring rain. One play after maybe the most egregious face mask of the entire season, because one of the Bucks defenders, I can only describe it as like a shot put of the helmet from someone's face. Oh, yeah. He took Tommy Trembl, the title of the Panthers helmet. And he like shot. I've never seen someone throw a helmet so far that was on someone's head at the time. And they didn't call it. And then the next play they wipe out this tech, this Ted Arowa, Macmillan play. And so I don't know, the Panthers probably should have won that game, but it was raining. But overall. I don't know. They have won, win, lost, win, lost, win, lost, win, lost, win, lost for like three months. How the hell did they beat the Rams? I don't know. It's fucking weird. Pick six. Has a team ever won the division while losing both games to the team that got last in their division? That's crazy. Like they lost both times to the Saints and then finished under 500. I don't know. It's I mean, they've been outscored by 69 points. Yeah. Yeah, they just have they have the two quality wins this year. They beat the Rams beat the Packers. They lost to the Cardinals who won three games this year. They lost to the Saints twice. Do you guys agree with the Panthers Rams being the shakies game? 100 percent. I don't need to watch that game. It's like if the Rams start losing, you turn the game on. But no, I don't think I mean, people can if you want, it's one of them. Like if you're going to be holed up all weekend and you have to like do some you have to do errands or something. That's obviously the game you would do. For sure. For sure. And it's like Saturday, midday. Yeah, it's the I will just before we move on to the Falcons Saints game. We don't have to talk about the game specifically, but it ended up getting Rahim Morris and the head coach and the GM Terry Fonson fired the players were just absolutely begging the Falcons to keep Rahim Morris after the game ended, which is funny, because clearly they had kind of decided before and to fire him because they had all the statements up pretty quickly, literally tied for the division lead record. You got fired. What do you think of the Falcons cleaning house? I think the GM thing makes more sense to me than the coach, you know, just firing firing Terry Fonno makes a lot more sense to me, just based on kind of like the moves that they've made, particularly at the quarterback position. But I think this is like the way I will say this is it's kind of instructive. And this is what happens. And I felt it's something you should keep in mind during the offseason coaching GM cycle, the carousel here that we're about to go go through is it's just so important to get a quarterback. Like it's the only thing that matters is get that quarterback because I went back and looked Faunton was hired in 2021. His final season, that was the final season of Matt Ryan's tenure in Atlanta. And then 2022, Marcus Mariota, Desmond Ritter, 2023, Desmond Ritter, Taylor Heineke, 2024, Kurt Cousins, Michael Penix, 2025, Michael Penix, Kurt Cousins in the reverse order. And basically at no point did they get high quality quarterback play. And they spent a lot of money and a very high draft pick. And it didn't work out. And this is just like the story of the NFL. If you don't nail the quarterback thing, you're fucked. You're going to get fired. Yeah. I mean, all of the biggest complaints about Atlanta are about the moves they've made giving Kurt Cousins the money they did getting up here, drafting Michael Penix, the trading up into the first round and giving the pick to the Rams to get another edge rusher. Like all of the problems with Atlanta have mostly been from a front office standpoint. And it seems like Raheem Morris is a beloved coach from the players. It's like he's only been there two years. You know, that's a tough beat for him. And I would love for Pittsburgh to hire him as a defensive coordinator. I agree with everything you guys have said, basically. I, it's just, I would have kept Raheem Morris fired GM Fontanel. I, the only thing I'll note is that there's consultant. They hired sportsology as they have these consultancies, which cause GM's don't get hired twice. So they start consulting businesses. One of the partners in the consulting from the hired is Rick Smith, who used to run the Texans. Rick Smith was considered for the GM job for the Falcons and didn't get it to Terry Fontanel. So they hired the guy to advise them that they didn't hire last time. And they told them to fire the guy that got the job over him. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. It's, it's just like a funny, it's like, did you have to pay for that? So can we become consultants to have people to tell people who'd hire? We're basically fantasy consultants. I got last in the ringer league and I'm consulting people on what they should do with their fantasy. There you go. See, that's, that's the, yeah. I'm Rick Smith. By Rick Smith. Okay. The, well, and also we're going to talk more about coaches and everything. We're going to have a big episode on Tuesday, just covering all the coach firings and everything going on. So we'll have all that. Or sorry, Wednesday. I don't know. What day is that? What day is that episode coming up, Craig? Tuesday. Also, by the way, what's our new schedule? We're going three day, we're going three episodes a week during the playoffs. Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday. Let's go with that. Or Sunday, Wednesday, Friday. No, I think it's going to be Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday. I don't know. We'll figure it out. Three episodes a week. Yeah. Okay. So we'll figure that out. Good messaging guys. Thanks. Can you believe they put us on that place? That's crazy. So the last Tennessee playoff thing, so the bears get the two C in the NSE and they're going to host the Packers seven C. Fantastic. That's just fucking so rock hard. NFL love that. I couldn't get any better. This is perfect. This is perfect. So Caleb. So, I mean, the Bears Packers, they split the first two games this season. And honestly, they both came down to the end. And the first game Caleb Williams just had a touchdown and he didn't hit it. And then the second game, Caleb Williams made two throws and they won. And yeah, I think you was you was you was a rock artist cry for this game. Hard as a diamond in an ice storm right now. Yeah, this is going to be great. This is going to be fun. This is like playoff football. I bet it's going to be snowy, but it's going to be cold as hell. I don't know. I don't I honestly have no feel for who I like in this game. The Packers definitely kind of like petered out as the season went along. I don't know. And they obviously have a ton of injuries right now. Let me tell you something right now. We will be taking Chicago and your one on seven. Can I put a number on this for you, DK, just in case you have that. But the Bears didn't exactly finish strong either. Well, let me, DK, let me tell you something. OK, so the Packers, they did rest their starters today, and then they subsequently finished with negative seven net passing yards. So more sac yards than they gained. ESPN's Rob Demovsky at the stat. The Packers are the fourth playoff team ever to end the season on a five game losing streak. OK, so I was under I was understating it a little, including last year's Steelers, Greg. Well, they've lost five in a row. I don't know if I actually really. Five game. They have not the Packers. That's so brutal. The you remember that game where Caleb Williams had like he rolled out to his left on fourth down and like he threw the interception to Kishon Nixon and like that was the first game that bears lost to the Packers. They haven't won since then. That was the last game the Packers won. They have not won since that Caleb Williams interception in the game. That was a month ago. Yeah, and they made the playoffs. So but you'd actually trust the bears in the playoffs, Craig. I don't know. Yeah, I do. I don't know why. I had them way harder than you guys in my ranking. Yeah, remember that? Yeah, the vibes with Green Bay are tough because Matt LaFleur openly was like, I'd rather get healthy than have vibes. But yeah, the Packers, it's sometimes you got to see the ball go in the hole. And we'll see. I think the Packers are a way more experienced team, but I want to see the injury report like everyone's just hurt. I want to see how I don't know. What are the rest of the playoff matchups? I can keep reading. So. It's like, look at a menu at a restaurant. Just like, it's so fun. So AFC here, Broncos are the one seed. Which they had like a very anti climactic. The Seahawks are the Seahawks 49ers, like battling it out for the one seed minus. And then you look at like the AFC and it's it's the the Broncos just kind of like cruising to the one seed by beating the chiefs without Patrick Holmes and then the Chargers today without or when it with trade lands without Herbert. So, you know, obviously, this is a very good team. They this is something else I didn't really realize they won 13 of their final 14 games. They're kind of like the Seahawks. They're really, really good defense. They have a super bowl defense and I think their offense, depending on how it's playing can be really good or sometimes it can be underwhelming. But yeah, this is like I feel like they kind of just cruised into the playoffs and we're not really thinking about them all that much. But this is a very, very good team. We're you guys on the coach of the year. Champagne, when we coached the year most years and he's going to come in sixth. But I mean, it's pretty I mean, the fact that he made the playoffs last year when a third of their cap was getting rid of Russell Wilson, dead money. And there's some of it still there and they're going to be the one seed or they are the ones who is crazy. So they're the one seed and then the next two AFC games here. So the Jaguars at third, sometimes I just like reading the records. The 13 and four Jacksonville Jaguars 13 wins. Also, the combination of it being the Jaguars and its 17 games and I'm still not used to it. I just want to say that again, the 13 and four Jacksonville Jaguars are hosting the 12 and five Buffalo Bills. And then the other one is the Patriots, the 14 and three Patriots are hosting the charges. This Jaguars Bills game. I do want to mention I think this is. What this is, I think this is maybe the best game of the weekend after this backers. This is on Jags Bills, Trevor Lawrence versus Josh. I think I mean, Trevor Lawrence, DK, your friend Dante Coppola, it's Fleming have this stat. Trevor Lawrence and his last eight games has 19 passing touchdowns and five rushing touchdowns. The only players with those touchdown totals in an eight game span and NFL history are 2019 Lamar Jackson, when he won MVP and then Cam Newton 2015, when he won MVP. And then now Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, that's sick. Trevor Lawrence is just on fire right now. The other thing I noticed about the Jags is interesting that Parker Washington finished as their leading receiver this year. Didn't see that coming, both in catches and yards. And so I don't know, man, the Jags surprising leading receiver of the season. Yeah, the Jags are great. They led the third and turnover turnover differential this season. Second in the NFL and takeaways, 31 takeaways this season on defense in addition to having like one of the most improved offenses. Liam Cohen's awesome, man. There was a moment in this game where it just kind of was like showing Liam Cohen on the sideline and he's just kind of like basket. It reminded me like a general who's like they're finishing up a battle and he's just like surveying like the destruction. He was just like he's just watching. He's like, we just fucking dominated. This was a fucking great year. I'm the fucking man. It was great. And then like one of his like assistant coaches came by and like dapped him up. I was like, man, good for him. Great season. It's a huge win for everybody involved. Jimmy, Jimmy Stones, the doogie howzer GM. I mean, it was one of the most inexperienced coaching staffs in a long time with Campanile as a defensive coordinator, their offensive coordinator. Their GM is legitimately 12 years old. And the fact that they were able to pull this off with the bizarre tradeup to Travis Hunter, who was basically irrelevant on the season with Brian Thomas disappearing and completely flopping after what he did last year. The fact that they went 13 and four is unbelievable. And I got to say, we're going to talk about the MVP odds a little bit later. It's basically just a battle between Stafford and and Drake May. I don't know why Trevor Lawrence is in this conversation. Just talk about it now. It's weird. I so right now. So after last week, after Drake May's great game last week, he was minus 650, which is pretty heavy favorite to be the MVP. Then this week, the Patriots basically kicked the shit out of the Dolphins, but they run the ball most of the time. So Drake may doesn't have a great statistical game, even though they killed the Dolphins. And Matt Stafford puts up four touchdowns against a terrible Cardinals team. And now Matt Stafford has come back like Apollo Ono, and he is now minus 160 to win the MVP. What? It's basically a coin flip between me and Stafford. I'm shocked by that. Trevor Lawrence is 300 to 1 to win the MVP. And I'm like, Trevor Lawrence won more games than Matt Stafford. He's 13 and 41. His division, he had more touchdowns than Drake May. I'm kind of like what he should be equally in the mix compared to either. Very interesting. I interpret there's betting markets in this one. I think I don't think this is a good criteria, but it is how it has been done for 20 years. Matt, I don't think a quarterback who's won the Wild Card has won it and not won the division has won an MVP in it's been 20 years, I think, maybe one in the last 25 years. The Rams are the five seed. And I'm not saying that that's a good criteria. I actually think it's kind of silly. They didn't even win their division. But I know, but that's the. Yes. But that's I mean, that's but that is the reality. What Hyphers is saying is like that is that's basically a non-starter for that. So people vote MVP. And I actually think the way people vote of this is very silly. And I have a lot of problems with the way people vote for this stuff. But I it would be the first time in about 25 years. And also the I agree, though, the fact that the odds shift, I don't know, there's a lot of stuff at the betting markets that I. My dad was telling me this too, though, it's like if if Stafford wins, it's kind of like a lifetime achievement award type of deal. It's like the Oscars, Craig. It's the Tony star. It's Robert Downey, Jr. winning for Oppenheimer because it's like, you know what? Right, right. We love Avengers, but we wouldn't tell you because they were making money. So we'll tell you now, we love those were great flicks you made, Robert. I'm not going to be upset about it. Like if you win the MVP like Stafford was Stafford, you're for 46 touchdowns this year. Like, you know what I mean? Like he was fucking awesome. And I know if people are going to complain that he picked up four garbage time touchdowns against a shitty team. Well, the Patriots didn't play a good team all season. So you can't really say that that's unfair because the Patriots had the easiest had like a historically easy schedule. Not saying Drake may wasn't perfect because he basically was, but they also played nobody. So saying that all Stafford had four touchdowns against the shitty Carmals and that one in the MVP. I'm like, well, Drake may had 35 touchdowns against every shitty team in the league the entire season. Yeah, I would. I would not be upset if he wins. I just don't think he will because of like the way that people have voted over the years, but I also, I agree with that. DK, I agree with what you're saying, Craig. There are some MVPs that I actually do get annoyed at. And this is probably not one of them. Like if Stafford wins because I actually think the whole like, I didn't win his division. It's like, all right, cool. Tell me which of these losses was his fault. The Panthers one. I'll give you that. The Panthers one was kind of his fault. The Eagles game where they had a game might be disqualifying. I like how you started. Tell me which game was his fault. Carolina. OK, that was his fault. All right, fine. Fine. That one. But the Eagles game where they had a little game winning kick that he orchestrated the draft. That was wild. The Eagles blocked it and returned it for a touchdown. And then you, you know what I mean? It's like the Seahawks game where they scored 37 fucking points. I mean, even if you want to point out the, the. I mean, they lost to Mac Jones. I guess you could throw out that game. But the Carolina game, I mean, what? They let up 31 points to Bryce Young. Is that his fault? Well, I mean, yes, because the pick, I'm just saying that the Rams literally had five, four hundred. They had 581 yards and no turnovers and lost to the Seahawks. And I'm like, like, is that Matt Stafford? I think Stafford absolutely is good enough to win the MVP. Like it would not, it would not make me upset if he won the MVP. But yeah, I feel like it's a joke on me because I finally came around to Drake may be in the MVP like this week. And then the odds flipped. I'm like, what the fuck changed? I'm perfectly fine each way. I totally agree. It's like, it's so dumb. So it's like if Drake may, instead of punching in those touchdowns with Ramon Drey Stevenson and Travee Henderson, if Drake may just threw those one yard touchdowns to see win the MVP now, it's so stupid. No, I agree. And that's why I think even passing yards, I'm like, I'm okay to fold Drake may's rushing yards in with his passing yards. Matt Stafford, you know, me rushing yards, Matt Stafford. How this year you guys guess five. Oh, like 20. One. One rushing yard. Nice and plural. That is so fucking good. Yeah. So it's like they basically they basically both put together forty seven hundred yards roughly Drake may a little bit more. Stafford had 11 more touchdowns. Stafford had 13 one yard touchdown passes. If I had a vote, I would probably go Drake may and I could honestly, I could be convinced either way. And I it's like to me, it's it's simple. It's like Drake may. It's like the schedule is bad. Matt Stafford, it's like the surrounding cast is better. The pan. Yeah, the Patriots won more games, but I'm like, does that matter to you that the surrounding cast is better? Does that factor in? Should that factor in? It does. Of course it factors it, but it's like how much of a factor is it? I think the difference with me to Drake may of all the I feel like if if good, if you're if good skill players should be a factor, then strength of schedule should also be a factor. No. Yeah. That's why I said they're both a factor. OK, all right. Touche. So we did. We started this conversation because you were saying Trevor Lawrence should be in the discussion. I do. We just talked about May and Stafford. I don't know why. I don't know why Trevor Lawrence is three hundred to one and Drake may and Matt Stafford are one to one. It's because it's the Jaguars. And it's what he said two months ago. No one gives a shit. And also is late, but you're right that because no one could. It's because he had a bad beginning this season and it felt like he was out of it. But you're one of the Drake may this year. If we split it. And I think here's your point, Craig. If we split the award into two halves of the season. The second half of the end of the season, it's like unquestionably Trevor Lawrence, like it's not even close. You would be Trevor Lawrence first and it's like probably not close. And then straight man, that's the African. He ended the season on eight straight wins. There's 13 and four. They won four games last year. I'm not saying like, right. I mean, I guess the Patriots. And they won like three. I'm not saying that Trevor Lawrence should win the MVP, but I don't know why this isn't a three headed race is all. Five is probably fair. It's funny. Stafford's going to get off as a player that you're probably. What a person. I would decline that award. It's a second play. No, thank you. So. Jags. Yeah, we know. We didn't even mention Jags. Funass game. Kicker, I will say, I want the Jaguars for a number of reasons. And I know it's always scary. It's like the LeBron Warriors finals. Scary to go against the best player in the game is probably Josh. I want the Jaguars for a variety of reasons. They can run the ball and the bills can't stop the run. Trevor Lawrence is so hot. Hansel so hot right now, Hansel. But the other one, the Jaguars kicker is out here hitting 67 yard field goals outdoors, which is the biggest ever. He has their NFL record indoors and he has the 70 yard field goal in preseason. So they can hit 70 yard field goals in Jacksonville and Buffalo lost their Matt Prater today, who was already their backup kicker. I think I have to think the bills are going to sign Justin Tucker this week because the bills, they have no, who is the bills? Matt Prater got hurt during, they blew up the jets. It was like 35 to nothing or something. But the kicker got hurt in the middle of the game. They need a kicker for a game in six days. Signing Justin Tucker nailing the coffin for the bills. That's what I'm saying. All time bad vibes options here for the bills. It's a, it's a really tricky matchup because like, it's like you said, Hyphens, nobody believed in the Jags, probably watched a lot of the Jags as you are probably looking up and it's like the amount of dads that are tuning in for the playoffs going to Jacksonville Jaguars are 13 to four. And they're playing Josh Allen. I'll take the bills. It's going to be very hard. Like the institutional belief in Josh Allen versus like the fucking Jaguars is will be tricky to deal with. Speaking of which, and then the institutional belief is going to kick in again though, when the Patriots host the Chargers and everyone's going to be like, I want the Patriots and I want the Patriots to destroy the dolphins. I don't know how much you guys want to talk about this, but. I don't, you know, there's a lot that there's a lot that's gone into the Patriots like schedule this year. I just think the Patriots are fucking good though. Like I don't, I don't think there's any flukeiness to maybe like they want a couple of extra games that they wouldn't have. They if I had like a really hard schedule, but I think they're a legit, really good team. I would have driven MVP and I would have Josh McDaniels as assistant coach of the year. I got to tell you, it's hard for me to, I would give it all. It's hard for me to not want to do all three of Rable's coach of the year and Josh McDaniels as assistant coach of the year and fucking Drake Mays MVP. And honestly, the only rabble, the only reason I probably wouldn't put Rable as coach of the year is because giving them all three sounds ridiculous. But they're so much more prepared than every team every week. They out coach every team they play. They're like Butler or Wichita State or those teams, those like mid majors in March Madness who are like 30 and two. And you're like, they've played no one. But they beat everybody by 20. They play as a team. Yeah. And then they just like show up and skate. They can shoot. They can find a foreign because they're just like awesome and have fantastic chemistry and know how to play the game. Yeah. But yeah, you know, I don't know. It's hard. You look at their schedule and I'm like, name their great wins. Buffalo. Wait, name their great wins. No, wait, wait. You told the paint. You reminded Roger Sherman, our former colleague here at the Rigger, at this thing of like, it's so stupid that the NFC South decides their winner by a tiebreaker of the other division teams. We should find a better system like a committee of shadowy people to just decide at the end of the season who makes it. Yeah. Maybe we, you know, maybe we lose the Patriots out. Yeah. It's once again, I mean, the the Chargers are so beat up and it's impressive they won as many games as they did with their offensive line. But I mean, I feel I'll be taking. Speaking of MVP, DK, watching the Chargers lose today in Tre Lans. Did you edit it at all? Think Herbert locked up the MVP today with how the churches look with that fucking Justin Herbert? Yeah. Yeah. It makes a difference to have Justin Herbert out there. Definitely the Chargers are like the team this year. I think they have a blind spot for like it's shocking to me. They're even in the playoffs. I feel like every time I feel like every time I turn on the Chargers, they're just getting their asses kicked, but they somehow won 11 games. They're in the playoffs. They have like a freaking superhero quarterback. But yeah, I just kind of I feel like I have a blind spot with them for whatever reason, I just feel like they're not very good. Is it funny that we're like, who's the MVP? We're like probably Drake may have like, OK, cool. So what team would have lost the most value if the player wasn't there? Like, oh, well, Justin Herbert, but he won't get any votes. I mean, I'm sure I don't know how good the Patriots would have been without Drake. The Patriots, Stefan Diggs quietly went over a thousand yards is today, you guys. Did you guys realize this? Good for him. Stefan Diggs, a thousand yards to Hunter Henry, seven under. Sorry. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying it was. Probably should have brought him up, all right. But I just thought that was interesting. No, that's great. That's great. Good for him. Ramon, Robinson and Trevon Henderson. So Trevon had 1100 stormage yards. Ramon had 950. They Trevon scored 10 total touchdowns. Ramon, eight touchdowns. Ramon, Tre has been playing really well lately. And he's like doing all the stuff I thought Trevon Henderson was going to be like in their offense, like catching wheel routes of the sideline, vertical route touchdowns. He's been really good. Dude, this is the year of like two running backs. Yeah. In the play. I mean, in the playoffs, there are so many one A one B's. I mean, Seattle, you have Sharbonne and Walker, Chicago. You have Manangai and Swift. The Steelers have their two guys. The Rams have Williams and Corum. New England's got their two guys. That is definitely like a trend that we're seeing right now. The Eagles have Seyquan, Barkley and Tank Bigsby. True. I like just like fucking picked up Bobby Wagner today. Like it was. Dirty dancing. That was really impressive. I was unbelievable. I was quietly one of the craziest things I saw running back to. I think that was better than any run this year. It just Bobby Wagner went from going to truck him to he just picked him up. Just picked him up. It was crazy. That was that should be the new like you're too small. Should be like you just pick him up like they're a toddler. Is that not literally holding? Yeah, he's holding up. He held him. If somebody said like, somebody just hold my baby. That's what he did. That's what teams should do to Miles Kier. He's cradling him. Yeah, like if Trent Williams just picked up Nick Herbie, isn't that holding? Really not. How's that work? I don't know. It's in the case studies, Craig. OK, it's like you can't trip them. It's like, why? Just imagine if you could pick up Miles Garrett. Yeah, we should talk about Miles. Anything else at the playoffs? Well, obviously, we got time to talk about all these games. Yeah. Yeah, we're talking about the. Yeah, a lot of coach firings. Well, we're going to have like a mock draft in depth later this week. It's really nice that only good teams are left. I'm happy about that. I say this every year, but it is it is wild that we're already to the playoffs. The seasons fly by, I swear. It's one of those phrases that the older I get, the more I start saying them. And I'm OK with it when people are like, this year flew by. I'm like, it really did. It really did. I feel like that every year of my life is flown by. Same. Days or long years are fast. Yes. With that said, Miles Garrett, sack record, 23 sacks, did it in 17 games and Strayhan was like, well, I did it in 16 and TJ Watt quietly did in 15 games. But however, I think can we all agree to not talk about that? Because of the fact that Miles Garrett did it in like 100 fewer pass rush opportunities than TJ Watt and like almost 200 fewer than Michael Strayhan in terms of just the Browns were always losing. No one was actually dropping back to pass against them. Well, that was what I was. Yeah, that's why that was a great. I think a great way of looking at it is like, man, he did this on the Browns team when they're like, I would love to look at how many minutes they were actually winning this year, the percentage of minutes that they played, because that's that's like the best place to get sacks is when your team is leading late and you know, they're going to be passing and you could just tee up on them. You see guys get sacks and bunches in those situations. Miles Garrett's out here. And honestly, it's like people who quibble with this record hyphens. I know you were doing a little bit and I understand like your point of view on it. But Miles Garrett is a fucking alien. He's one of the best pass rushers ever. Full stop. Maybe the best pass rusher ever. So we can just can we just accept that he's like fucking awesome and we don't have to quibble about this? I know I'm a prisoner of the moment a lot, but I do think. We actually have just recently witnessed. Maybe to Mount Rushmore, defensively, at least guys at their position, like Aaron Donald is genuinely one of the four best defensive tackles ever. And maybe actually just truly generational. Yeah, like I know there's a lot of great tackles in the past, like fucking two tall Jones and purple people, leaders and guys from decades before I was born. But Aaron Donald is actually like the best guy we've had in years. And Miles Garrett is the best pass rusher since like. Yeah, I've never been more happy when someone retired than when Aaron Donald retired. Just thank God. Like I was a game. By the way, why is he retired? Just join this Rams? He's like the Barry Sanders. He's like, I'm done. He lives in Los Angeles. He's still in shape. Don't fucking start this shit. High fits. We die. Do not want this to happen. I don't don't don't put this out into the world. Like, what is he doing on Sunday? Like, what is he doing? And he keeps his name out of your mouth. I don't want him to get any ideas. I know he'll be at the game. Like, what the fuck is he doing? You can't play 10 steps. He's probably in better shape than every animal. NFL. Yes, dude. You know, just for fun, then all the 49ers. Anyway, so most Garrett had the sack record. And he earned the shit out of it. He's he's an awesome player. He can't believe we're all just using the term get off. But whatever, he had a fast get off. His get off is unbelievable. Get off is unbelievable. But the play, the snowmow of the play is it is like a good encapsulation because he just is like across the line. Scrammage and everyone else has barely moved. Yeah, Barrow kind of was like, you know what? I'm not going to get drilled for this. I'll just go down. You can have it. He did that. He did the Peyton Manning. It looked like the farve. No, the farve one, the famous one that Strayhan got it and farve just went down and Mark Astin will freak out. It looked just like that business decision from Barrow. Fine. Who cares? It's weird. It's a little weird. I don't think it just looks weird. I think he knew he was going to get sacked and he's like, I'm just going to get down. Yeah, he's like, I'm not dying for this. You do that to a fucking Miles Garrett was running at you. He could high fits would try and pick him up. He'd be he'd lift him. Can you imagine? Wait, was that this? No, that was last night. Can't even remember time. You're obsessed. Was it this season where? Yes. Oh, my God. I left this at a play of the year when Miles Garrett went around the Packers left tackle and he screamed, Jordan, run. Jordan. He's coming. Real. Is that that really happened? I don't know if I saw that. Like a fucking stranger things episode. Run, Jordan. He said so good for run. Run, run away. It's the rest of our runaway. Run. Oh, my God. That's like you. You guys right behind me, isn't he? You guys never saw you might. This is probably too old of a movie, but Monty Python search for the Holy Grail. Of course I have. You see that we know when they go and like trying to attack the like the killer rabbit and they come out there like, run away. Run away. Dude, it sucks that hyphens. You're like, oh, we got to witness the two best defensive players of the century, blah, blah. I don't think many of us did witness Miles Garrett. It's like Bill talking about how he's like, I know when he really watched Barry Sanders, you just like got to see his highlights or whatever. It was like, you just heard that he had a great game and then you saw it like a highlight on Sunday Night Football. I don't know. It's like my trout. I mean, I've watched a lot of Miles Garrett because they're in this division of the Steelers, but like, I don't know how many people actually watched Miles Garrett. That's a good point. And I would like to take this opportunity to solidify an intrusive thought I had and I would just make it a solid thought and a take that I now believe I'm angry at Miles Garrett. And I would like to take this moment. I'm mad at Miles Garrett and congrats on your sack record. But Miles Garrett decided he'd rather have $40 million a year from the Browns than merely like $34 million and play for a Super Bowl contender. And why Miles Garrett resigned with Cleveland instead of like he was about to force a trade. He could have gone to Philadelphia. Green Bay clearly would have parted with Picks. And the fact that he might have had 25 sacks if he was on a different freaking team that had to actually the lead more. And I agree. The fact that Miles Garrett is going to do this whole career and make the playoffs, he's one time. And because he was like, oh, Andrew Berry told me we had a plan at quarterback, like I'm actually mad that Miles Garrett decided that he never wanted to make the playoffs. I'm never going to knock loyalty. I know I was going to say such a double edged sword because, you know, you want guys to be loyal. If he if he would have forced his way out and forced a trade, then people would be talking about him like Kevin Durant or whatever, where it's like, you're going to join in some good team. Not from the well, no way. Not that bad. Please. That's understandable. Also, I'm glad he talked about trades about LeBron going to the Warriors. Like, I forget who said there's been like a couple of reporters now to be like LeBron to the Warriors makes a lot of sense. I'd rather die than have LeBron. That's the last thing I want. If somebody was like the Warriors could win a ring with LeBron James, I would say no fucking thank you. That is the last thing I want. Keep him off the Warriors. They should never be together. What are we talking about? LeBron on the Warriors. You kidding me? No. Why doesn't it buggy so much? That's terrible. I don't want LeBron on the Warriors. If even if it meant you could win a title. Absolutely not. I would rather not get a fifth step title if it meant LeBron was his teammate. But don't you like the idea of LeBron having to come to you? Don't you like that a little bit? So he's like his entire legacy. It's a good point. Kim crawling to the Warriors. It comes begging a little. Look at the turntables. I want what I would like. The middle there is that I want the report out there that LeBron really wants to go to the Warriors. And they say no, that's what I want. Yeah, well, there you go. And then we go 500 and miss the playoffs. You just want them to grovel a little. A little grovel. People were concerned about you today, Hyphids. I had multiple people tweeting and texting me asking how you're doing. Man, what a day for you. I Craig and I are teams punched their ticket to the playoffs. I got the one seed in my team. Somehow had the first pick in their hands. Now they have the fucking fifth. So because the rounds won the Giants, if they had. This is why tanking is so hard. I get mad when people talk about like November, the Giants, if they had one day, they got they won. They got the fifth pick. If they had lost, they would have got the first pick and they blew it. I'm not as mad as I would be or I was a couple of years ago because Jackson's art looked awesome in this game. And Jackson's art is like the guy and Jackson's art looks phenomenal, which is the only reason I'm kind of like doing mental gymnastics in my head because now it's like the Giants are going to add it's infuriating because the Giants are now just going to take whoever they were going to take instead of just trading down and adding a first round pick in 2027. There'll probably be a top 10 pick next year and a trade. And now they just get to just take a fucking player and they're stupid and whatever. But you know what? What was the what was that? I sent you a stat if it's earlier and it was. Oh, I got it here. Well, I tweaked it. Four of the Giants last eight wins have just been in week 17 or week 18. When they're eliminated, they're eliminated. Basically, we only win when draft picks are on the line. They're the best team in NFL history when they could get the first pick. I don't know if by EPA per play, there's ever been a better team than the Giants when they could get the first pick. They think they're in the toilet bowl. They heard us on the show and they were like, all right, they honestly. The Giants would just be owning the first pick if you could play for the rights, which again is how it should be. So the draft order we had the big it's so the Raiders have the first pick. Congratulations to Austin Gale here at the ringer. Raiders are the first pick for the first. Austin fucking earned it. All right. Yeah, he did. He deserves it. They did. You know, you look at the top picks and like, no, this is about right. It's like the Raiders of the first pick. The Jets of the second pick. Yeah, that's right. Cardinals of the third pick. You're like, yeah, Titans of the fourth pick. Giants of the fifth pick. Browns are sixth. Commanders are seventh. Saints are. Commanders are seventh. The Chiefs have the ninth. I was going to draft or the bank. The Bengals are nine. The Chiefs are 10. Oh, I thought I saw that the. Or maybe it's a coin flip. Maybe I did it wrong. It would be classic. I thought I saw. I'm look, I don't know how accurate Tankathon is, but they have Chiefs at nine. I think that's pretty good. Yeah, that's the chiefs of the ninth pick. I almost think they came into this game today and they're like, I don't care. We're losing. We want a top 10 pick. That is the sacrifice. If my home stores ACL, we were going to fucking tank and get a top 10 pick. And the smart team. And then the Rams have, I maybe I'm looking at this wrong. The Rams have the 13th pick in the draft. From the Falcons. From the Falcons. Great job Falcons. Which is why the Falcons fired the GM. Do you think the Jets having the second overall pick confirms that Dante Moore will return to Oregon? Yes. Do you know, I didn't think about that. That's so funny. You know, it's funny. That's exactly that's what happened. Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning was going to come out and the Jets got the first pick. He went back to Tennessee. Hey, five, five million bucks to come back and play at Oregon. Win a national championship. Maybe again. Why not? By the way, we were talking about the Jets and what it's like to be a Jets fan the other day and I was like, maybe we should talk to Sean or Roger Sherman. Roger texted me, by the way. He's like, since you were wondering, he's like, there's no feeling in being a Jets fan anymore. I don't feel anything when I watch the games. I just pre-assume. I don't get excited when they win. I don't get excited when they lose. I just pre-assume all their picks and free agent people are going to suck. He's like, I just don't have any feeling. I mean, can I read you a couple of Jets stats now? Should we get into it? Yes, please do. Oh my God, I have some too. Let's do the zero interceptions thing. The first team ever. There's a stat going around that's like since 1933. That's just since they started tracking interceptions. That's from the forward pass. That's just when they invented football. Yeah. No one's ever done it. Like since 1933 implies that a team in 1933 did this. Right. No team has ever done this. Zero interceptions on the season. I don't believe it. Also, they're the first team in the Super Bowl era to lose five straight games by 23 plus points. Wow. See, this is they just like laid down. And they still didn't get the number one pick. Yeah, that's how bad the Raiders were. Dude, Garrett Wilson, we were talking about this a few weeks ago. Garrett Wilson did end up as the leading receiver on the Jets this year with 395 yards. When was the last time he played? Seven. He played in seven games and didn't finish all of them. So I looked this up. I looked this up because I was curious. What how many what's the fewest yard receiving yards has ever led a team? Like what's the fewest yards? Like he didn't have 400 yards and he led the Jets. So I looked it up. This Chase Stewart at football perspective tracked this year's ago. Ironically, a Jets fan, which is hilarious. He didn't know that at the time that this would be about the Jets. But so he looked it up. He probably had a suspicion, though. Yeah, actually. He probably had a suspicion. Come to think of it. So Garrett Wilson. 395 yards led the Jets. That is the fewest for a full team since 1982, which was the strike season. They played nine games. Ah, before that, yeah, it was 1976. Who and the Bicentennial. It's just the 50s and 60s and 40s. And it's just like literally before. It's like before the merger. The Jets finished the season with the third lowest passing yards per game in the NFL over the last 15 years. They averaged 140 passing yards per game. And opposing quarterbacks, we've kind of been tracking this all season. So like we said, no interceptions in the year. Opposing quarterbacks officially finished the year with with a record of 14 and three, 3600 passing yards, 36 touchdowns and no interceptions. So can we put those put those two things together? The Jets defense allowed 34 passing touchdowns and and we're the only teams 36, 36 passing touchdowns. And we're the only team in the history of football, of pro football to not intercept a pastoring season. That's the defense. And then on offense, where the first team did not have a receiver reach 400 yards in a season in 50 years. And they didn't get the first pick. And they didn't get the first pick. And then every game they had the most 21 point blowouts of any team ever. Special teams are good, though. It's been a tough year. That's fucking. And also Sam Darnold won 14 games for two different teams in two seasons. Sam Darnold is as many wins as the Jets do in less six seasons combined. Cloyce Box almost had more receiving yards in one game than anyone on the Jets did in the entire season. What did he have in a game, 280? Like 395 or something. Yeah, it was something crazy. 395 in a year. I do. I can't stress enough also to think about having 395 since 2025. Dude, 395 is crazy to lead the team. And he played seven games. Do you know you're receiving yards Jackson Smith and Jacob had this year? Seventeen ninety. Almost eighteen hundred. I just think it's wild that there was never just like a deflected path. Like you didn't even have to be a real interception, like a deflected pass, a pass that just like bounced off someone's head and like went up in the air 10 feet. Scott Hansen was cutting the Jets the Jets today, like when there was a tipped pass, like it was Barry Bonds at the plate. And also not so funny. So clearly their fault. Rogers has made one the division with the Steelers. It's Sam Darnold. It's like out here, like just again, can't stress enough, the one seed in the NSC and was playing to be the one seed last year at this exact time. Like it's the Jets. Fourteen wins and back to back years, which by the way, I don't know. Looking at this now, has it has the NFL ever had three teams win 14 games this year? The Broncos, the Patriots and the Seahawks all won 14 games. Have we been three teams do that? It's a good question. I feel like that's never happened before. I don't think so. Probably, but probably pretty rarely to two seasons. I definitely don't think it ever happened in the 16 game era. So it would have to have happened in the last five years, which I don't know if it has. I don't remember either, but that's pretty impressive. Right. Three teams, 14 games. Yeah, maybe not. I mean, yeah, I mean, the Patriots won 14 games, didn't get a buy. Yeah. Yeah. So ironically, the Vikings won 14 last year and also didn't get a buy. Yeah. With Donald. With Donald. OK. Other. Do you want to go over any of the other random stats, like league leaders and stuff? Sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I run through those. Yeah. Celebrate the end of the season. Sure. So the passing, so Matt Stafford finished leading the league in passing yards to like 47 under yards and 46 passing touchdowns, which I just feel like even though he people are going to argue about the MVP, I feel like 46 touchdowns went under the radar. It's a lot like 46 fucking touchdowns for Matt Stafford. He had eight picks. Yeah, we were concerned about Matt Stafford playing this year. All we heard was an airstream in his back and like stupid me worried about Stafford. I mean, that was insane. Russia. James Cook led the league in rushing yards. Sixteen hundred twenty one. Crazy. That's awesome. But Derek, you didn't pass in tonight, right? I don't think he did. He had like 50 to go. I don't think he got it. So sixteen twenty one for James Cook, which you remember his holdout. Barely. Because he was right. And then John Taylor finished with 18 rushing touchdowns, which led the league. And yet it's incredibly disappointing because he had 15 touchdowns in his first 10 weeks and then he had three in the final two months. Brutal. Receiving JSN had 1790 through receiving yards, which is one of the 10 most highest marks of all time. Wow. He had more yards than Terry killed it two years ago. See, that's crazy. That because I don't know like what the national sort of opinion on JSN is. But like he's like he's because obviously people love him here in Seattle. But like do people think of him as like an elite guy or? It'll probably take a bit. The playoffs will probably help a lot. I think his prime time games helped a lot. But yeah, it usually takes an extra year for somebody to kind of reach that level. Even on this show, he was just the Shane Are We Live? Waldron guy. Yeah. Until like three months ago. We did it. We did our boring team. And then I said, should we do him? And he we decided he was like too boring for the all boring team. We were like, he's so fucking boring. I mean, I think there's a little bit of that with Drake May. Like I feel like all of us are kind of like collectively having to like understand that I guess Drake May is like one of the best quarterbacks. Like elite now out of nowhere. Yeah, which it just kind of feels weird. Yeah, I got to tell you. Quickly. I came to Drake May as MVP. I hope this is long enough for the episode. But was not listening. If Bill was listening to this episode, I realized my resistance to Drake May's MVP was because he was a patriot. And it was because I hate the Patriots, but it was more about like this. This cloud. You're only humans. And I just the idea that they could just have another one. I realized I can't believe they won fucking 14 games again. They won 14 games. And I'm like, if Drake just what do you think you're rid of them? Yeah, like if Drake May was did the same thing, but it was the Jets. I'm like, yeah, give me the MVP. Hi, Fitz, was it? Was it the 2024 draft of the Giants won that stupid game against the Jets that would have had you the third pick or Tommy DeVito won three fucking games in 2024, they beat Washington twice. And so Tommy fucking DeVito sent a medal. I mean, cut this money. And so the Giants would have had Mayor Jane Daniels. Right. Right. Right. And Bill, as they were dastard, it complained about Joe Milton costing the pick last year. I'm like, they got Drake May, the MVP. Another notable stat this year that I think kind of flew under the radar is Bijan Robinson led the NFL and Scrimmage Yards. He had 2,298 Scrimmage Yards, 100. So sorry, 1,478 rushing yards, 820 yards receiving. That is the ninth most Scrimmage Yards in a season ever. I understand obviously 17 games, but I mean, he's up there with Chris Johnson. So this is the top seasons ever. Chris Johnson, Christian McCaffrey, 2019, Tiki Barber, 2005, Lydania Tomlinson, 2003, Stephen Jackson, 2006, Lydania Tomlinson in 2006, Adrian Peterson in 2012 and Edgerton James in 2000. Wow. He's up there with like some of the all time great names at running back. So obviously pretty fucking impressive. I mean, Bijan kind of just flew under the radar half the year because what Jonathan Taylor was doing for most of the season. But man, he's just Tyler, Algear was stealing his touchdowns while Michael Penix couldn't move. Yeah. Yeah. That's fantasy football. Once Michael Penix needed his ACL reconstructed and her cousins returned from his Achilles injury at 36th and Bijan was that. Yeah. The Tyler Algear complaints earlier in the season didn't really materialize. All right. Let's just run through some categories here for all time's sake. I want to steal one from the rewatchables we just did. We did what aged the best and I didn't put this in, but I should have. 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I think we all I think Craig, D, can I I don't want to speak for them, but I've got to I think we like the Bears over the Packers because I just I just don't like the Packers lost five straight games. And I am extremely, extremely dubious of the bills in the first round. I know it's scary to bet against Josh Allen, but I just think the Jaguars are better in the running so much better running on offense and the bills defense can't stop the Jaguars rushing game. And I also just don't like the bills need a kicker like six days out from a playoff game and the Jaguars kicker is making 67 yard vehicles. I like the Jaguars in that game. Head to Fandall.com slash ringer fantasy for a chance to double your winnings to the NFL wild card round. Play your game with Fandall, an official sports betting partner of the NFL playoffs. 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Yes, it is. Did people it is just because he got to a thousand yards. A thousand yards. That's good. He is a good year. That's really good. I think if the Panthers had if the Falcons had lost to the Saints and the Panthers didn't make the playoffs, I don't think he'd even won. Like I just. Pressure like 3100 yards this year and that managed to get over a thousand. I get that. I get that. That's fine. But he also technically last year would have came in fifth in offensive rookie of the year. It's not a special season. It's whatever. Gray's able played 15 games for the Seahawks, transformed the Seahawks interior offensive line, and they won 14 games. They got a first round by the Sam Darnold like looked so much better. The whole issue of San Darnold's interior pressure. This again, these are destroyed people all year. The running game went from horrific to like merely average issue. It was an issue late like in the beginning of the year, but then got better and better. I don't know. I think Gray's able is the best rookie in the year. We never get an offensive lineman, but this is that one in 50 year. I support it. What are the actual odds right now? He's not fucking listed, Fandall. What the fuck? He should. He's a guard or as a rookie than Ted. We're guards. That'd be awesome. That NFL should sack up and give it to a lineman. That'd be sweet. They should. I should start a campaign. You should. I like that. That's that's real football. That's that's watch the tape. And it's Gray's able. Speaking of the Panthers game, though, I had an intrusive thought watching the Panthers box game, just torrential downpour. I was like, why don't the refs get jackets? Oh, wow. That's a good point. I can't why the players don't get to wear rain jacket, but I'm watching the referee's soaked and I'm like, 60, 70 years old. And I'm like, they're going to get a rain jacket. I'll tell you what, my friend, despite your best efforts, you might have landed on something here. Don't they get jackets? I feel like I don't see where jacket not during that game. They were just where their ref outfits. They get giant black and white zebra rain jackets. Yeah. This just reminds me of the funniest questions get be ever asked me, which was, do that are the umpires wearing blazers? Why are they wearing blazers? Why is that? Is he wearing a dinner coat? What is that? High fits. I regret to inform you. I do think they have them. Gemini has weighed in. Gemini is our Terry McCauley and he weighs in and says that you're correct. I think the issue here is that look at. I don't care. Gemini says, Google the pictures of the refs and repp and Bucks Panthers. They're not wearing rain jackets. Well, look what I just said. You have that Hockley. I think they just make the rain jackets look really, really good. Yeah. Oh, wow. I think that's just a rain jacket designed to not look like a rain jacket. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, this guy's wearing short sleeves, but I see your point. They do exist. OK. All right. Depending. Yeah. But I don't know why they weren't wearing those in Tampa. You just didn't plan ahead. Look at the weather report. That's why they kept missing the fucking calls is because they weren't wearing their red clothes. They're cold. Um, my other. Do you have any of their intrusive thoughts? Mine is really not associated with the game of football, but eight, you know, we're 18 weeks in, 18 weeks of me for 12 hours on Sunday, parking my ass on the couch or the laptop on my legs. And it can't be good for you. The couch was designed obviously before the laptop was invented. And we haven't figured those two things out. I don't know how to look at my laptop while sitting on a couch. Craig, you got to get one of those like gaming things where you lay back and like the screens like above your head. But then how do I watch the television? That's what I say. You know, you're watching you have the screen in front of you on the like. It's like you're in a dentist's chair. Almost I need the TV and the laptop to be comfortable to look at for 12 hours. And I don't know how you do it. You guys think stealth recliner. Stealth recliner. Stealth recliner. You need a stealth recliner with a little pop up thing. And like you need a stealth recliner. You mean like a lazy boy you can like kick back on. Yeah, that's cool. But a couch. I don't know how you sit on a couch with a laptop for more for that. Now I would kill my neck without hurting my neck. How do you watch games? What are you? I sit at my desk all day. I'm surprised you guys sit on the couch. I don't have a TV in this room. I mean, well, I stream everything on. You sit at that desk all day. I do. You watch you watch the days you watch every Sunday just on the computer. Yeah. The hell. I watch all the games in front of you. Yeah. You're not putting on a television. No. Well, I mean, I have monitors that are much like televisions. Yeah. But what about like Sunday Night Football? Are you moving into the living room? No. Wow. Concentrating. I'm putting together the dock. I'm doing research. I'm getting scoliosis on the couch. That's what I'm doing. You're you're you're getting the heat on your thighs. And you're going to burn your thighs with that. I was going to say I'm trying every position possible to get. I need like a comma suture for sitting on the couch because I can't figure it out. If I said if I sit on the couch for five minutes trying to look at my laptop and watch a game, my neck starts killing me. I think it's underrated that the couch is not that comfortable with invention. We haven't talked about it right now. It's not. There are very uncomfortable couch designs. I can't sit there for a long time on my laptop. I like go crisscross, bend over. I try to have my lap. My neck's bent. It's not designed for laptops. It's not. It's not at all. I think this is a good point. I think if there's a chair recliner company that's listening to this that wants to get in touch about a chair for Craig and me. Or again, it's like some people don't have. I don't have room in my living space to add a chair. I have to sit on the couch. So it's like maybe I get like one of those like side table, like TV tray looking things that I got a couple of the laptop on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard. That's the move. Anyway, that was my intrusive thought. I was like, I'm not comfortable 18 weeks in. That's good. I can I give you one other intrusive thought? This is a good intrusive. This is a true intrusive thought. So obviously, you know, Maduro in America now, you know, and I just watch Maduro dot dot dot. He's here. He looks like a cat kind of. I thought it was. Jesus, that's not a bad thing to say. I'm just saying there was this little moment when he was like in his like Nike get up. I was like, that kind of looks like he's. It's about to host a pod. Like that's a yeah. I don't know if he would ever do that for Halloween. It's about to make some bounce. But there's moments where I was like, is he not kind of like big older big cat? Well, I was watching the news and they were like, yeah, he's got a court hearing on Monday. And I'm like, I had this. It's just though I was like, so to see. How does he go about getting a lawyer? Like does he just call? Like does he just get his phone call and he just calls up a lawyer? Imagine just him calling a. Imagine getting that call. He probably has a lawyer. I know he I know he has a lawyer. I know he has one. But my intrusive thought was like, what if he doesn't have one here? And he just does. Just do they call him court appointed to call them? One can be provided for you. Mm hmm. Yes, the public. There's not what they're called. Let's get some public. Yeah, it gets the public defender. Yeah. That was my intrusive thought. It's public defender showed up. He like, well, this is quite the case. I have the worst fucking attorneys. That there is your stupid fucking movie. There is your Netflix movie crank. It's like a fucking doctor. A rest public defender. The husband, the wife, if the husband's doing the crime, it's called it's my cousin Vinny to Venezuela. I use a can of tuna. I didn't do it. It's Joe Pesci right now, representing. Last case. Joe Pesci's last case. He's only had two, though. He hasn't worked since. He never got the. No. He's been vacationing in Florida this whole time. How old is Joe Pesci now? Got to be 75. I don't know. Well, he's more than that. I bet someone get in touch with Joe Pesci and tell him this should be my cousin Vinny. He's 82. Damn. If you mentioned this on the town, Craig, it's going to get made. All right. That's good. I like that. And then Big Cat can play him. Done. It's all coming. Done. We'll touch a gray. Oh, my God. Before we play the sound drop, do we have a fart or a shark to play the sound drop? Yeah, I can throw one at DK. Oh, OK. All right. Cam, I always got a fart or a shark cooking. Cam, I told you, we don't have to play it. But I think you're going to play a fart or a shark. Just hit the button. Cam's. Oh, no, it's the last one. This one's a minute and 30 seconds. It's the last. No. We need to. Look, this is the best one. The Yacht Rock Fart or Shark is the best one, but it is too many. I'm disturbed how good the Clanker music is. It's horrific. It's bad for society. It's not. We're no longer in the Yacht Rock era. We're in the Clank Rock era. Clank Rock. Clank Rock. Clank Rock kind of sounds cool. I know. God, they got to go. Well, that song sounds cool. I apologize for Clank Rocking. All right. What's your fart? Craig. I think we have to come right back to Sunday Night Football, Danny. Daniel. Baltimore Ravens, eight and nine this year. Fart or Shark, John Harbaugh, Lamar Jackson, Derek Henry. This this this run that the Ravens have had, this disappointing run that the Ravens and Bills have been competing against each other to beat Patrick Malm's and get to Super Bowl. This would have been the year to do it. And now the Ravens are not going to do it. Eight and nine. Fart or Shark, Baltimore. Man, I think it's a it's a shark, a mini-shart. I think they're good. I think John Harbaugh is going to get fired. And I think they're going to clean house and like change a lot of stuff. There's already talk that Lamar maybe wants to leave or whatever. Like, I don't know. There's it's going to be an offseason. It's going to be a weird offseason. I don't think Lamar is actually going to leave, but. Unfortunately for Lamar, he's under contract for fifty five million dollars a year. No, I just meant like they would trade him. But. Yeah, I think it's going to be it's going to be a transformative offseason. Well, and with Lamar, he's I think the only quarterback in the league where he has actually had a fart or shark during the game. It's true. He's been there done that. Well played. Well played. A literal and figurative shart this season. I want to say Shifter said this morning. I don't know what Shifter said about Harbaugh Hill. So I believe said Harbaugh. Well, he said leaning safe. So maybe not. Maybe he'll stay. He also said with that graphic say, but where he Morris the guy. Good question. Good question. Leaning safe. Oh, losing your fastball. I don't know for sure if John Harbaugh will be fired. I wouldn't be surprised. I'm not saying it like will happen, but I do. Ravens fans feel about this. Well, I will a stat that I had never thought of. But someone sent to me and it's been in my head bouncing around ever since like the our intro with the little hitting the corner is that no quarterback coach combo. It's been together longer than five years that winning a Super Bowl has won a Super Bowl, which blew my fucking mind. Oh, interesting. And I it's like couples who don't get engaged for for too long. You know, it's like they're 10 years in. So if you're still not engaged, it's over. I don't know if the. Ravens need to move on from John Harbaugh. It's one of those where I mean, wouldn't the Giants or these teams trip over themselves to hire John Harbaugh and the Ravens, you know, really start with the Steelers having no head coaches. I believe the Ravens have only had two head coaches since 1996. Like, you know, it's 30 years and they've had two guys. It's not. I mean, John Harbaugh is the second longest tenured coach in the NFL after Tomlin. And on one hand, it's a weird thing to flush the toilet. The other hand, I don't know. I mean, I mean, we'll talk about this on the next episode, but I. I don't know. It's there. The rape, there's something going on with the Ravens team. There's. Yeah. It's hard to blame the front office and everything. They have a lot of stability there, but I. It does kind of remind me a little bit of like the Pete Carroll thing, like where he's just been there too long, need to move on, need a new voice in the building, need new like a like a fresh philosophy or whatever, but it's just like, man, and they've had so many like depressing, like playoff failures that it just kind of like permeates the organization a little bit, like you almost need a fresh start. Not to say that he's a bad coach. It's just like it's like the Belichick thing or the Carroll thing. It's like, man, you just like been there too long. And he's a decade older than Tomlin. Yeah. Like Tomlin's really young. Tomlin's 53. He was the youngest coach in the league when he got hired. Yeah. That's like fucking McVay. McVay, you know, if Harbaugh goes and Tomlin retires next year, is McVay going to be like the second longest tenured coach in the NFL? He's going to but also be like the fifth youngest. Oh, that's weird. Insane. So, yeah. OK. Ick of the week. Oh, I had one. It was early on in the games. And by the way, this this early slate, the the whatever the song been waiting all day for Sunday nights never been true. Like this was the fucking worst day of football. They're both the morning slate and the afternoon slate were just freaking terrible. But there was a point in the in the Vikings game early on with JJ McCarthy. Like he escaped the pocket, scrambled. And then instead of just running out of bounds, he like lowers his shoulder, runs into the defender, tries to truck him and then gets in his face, starts talking shit like, like you can see his head starts to just like, you know, like go inside to side. He gets a flag thrown on him. His teammate comes over, tries to like pull him away from the ref. He's getting mad at the ref. And then he like spin moves away from his teammate, like almost falls down and is like, OK, I'm out that. What are you doing? Ref hold on to his arm like he's a toddler at the mall. And he's trying to get away. It was the biggest ick. And then like as he's running back to the to this like huddle, he's like, my bad, my bad, that's my bad. I lost my cool. I'm like, turn your swag off. Nine nine came out. Like came out of the Hulk. It was just too much. And then he re-injured himself in the game and I'm just like, man, what a desire. Nine has played like nine games. Yeah. In two years. He needs to he needs to fucking relax. That's all I feel bad for Kevin O'Connell. Kevin O'Connell was asked if he wants competition for J.G. McCarthy. If he's committed to changing McCarthy's started next year, Kevin O'Connell is like, you know. I mean, look, you know, today was J.G. Kind of early to say, yeah. And he just said he let that hang. He's like, this is 10th start. I'm like, yeah, this is 10th start. He's got like four injuries. It's like Kedariah's Tony level. Like injuries per game is incredible. Any other icks? There was a point in the Packers game when Emmanuel Wilson lost 18 yards on a run and almost turned into a safety. That was one of the worst runs I've ever seen in my life. This was like the living embodiment or the football play that embodies week 18. An 18 yard loss. There you go. He looked like a punt returner. Right. I mean, like I can save it. I can save it. The reverse field like three times was like a Russell Wilson sack. He's like crying. I can fix it. I can make the whole weight. Oh, my God. It was brutal. It was brutal. It was so bad. I had a couple of icks. The Steelers handed the ball off to John O'smith. And I'm like, you know what's an ick? It's just like seeing a tight end line up in the back. Yeah, get a rush. Don't do that. I don't like that. The second he got the ball, I'm like, all right, he's now the worst. What is this? Back in the league. What is this gimmick? Yeah, the point of this. He's the worst running back in the league with the ball. And the other ick, I don't know why it just finally hit me. But the way that Roger Aaron Rogers stands when the steel run a touch push, why does he stand like he's getting a fucking blow job? Like, what is it doing? What? OK, you got to describe it. He's like, like the fucking king of the world with his hands on his hips, his feet wide. Like he's a superhero. Don't like his cape is blowing. He's getting a blow job. I don't know why he does that. It's like a pose. It's so true. His hands are in his fucking pockets. What? I'm fine. He's so proudly like stands there. He's defiant. It's weird. But maybe it's because his eyes are closed. OK, we need you. I need you to send me a picture. I don't I don't I never noticed it. I never noticed it. Oh, my God, because you're on your fucking screens in your office. I can't believe you've never seen just he stands with his hands in his pockets. He actually puts his hands away. Yeah, dude. He's like, got him in his like his hand warmer. Yeah. That's OK. I mean, I the image is evocative. The what Craig described. No, now you need to see it. You have. Oh, my God. It's a picture. The hands on the hips. Why did he do that? It looks like it does look like he's going to go. Oh, my God. These are really funny. He does have a wide. He's a wide stance guy. Yeah. Wow. That's really funny. I don't know. The hands on the hips. They is too much. And that game is for minutes. That's that's the game in Dublin, D.K. We were there in the photo. I just said you. I just never noticed it. I'm sorry. Stands there and watches. What's what he sees? I don't know. I don't know what to do with my hands. That's yeah, my God. All right. Well, I don't really think I can top that. It's choice. Word choice. Nobody was that. I don't think I could top that. No. Should we should we end there? I don't know. I don't really worst play of the day. My Max Brosner fumbled. Doesn't really live up to that. That was really bad. I think makes me miss Will Levis. Poor little bro. Dude, it was like, you know, that scene in Willy Wonka with Gene Wilder, where he's like limping and then he like does the little thing. Yeah, yeah. It was kind of like that, but then he fumbled. He tripped on his own teammate. I think he thought the play was over and it wasn't. It was I actually think it was way more embarrassed than the pick six. What a season. We did it. We did it. We did it. Playoffs are here. Crazy. Crazy times. Boy, does the end of the season ever feel like it goes by faster? To me, it feels agonizing. We slow. Great. It's both grueling like a like a marathon and also goes by very quickly for me, because it's like every week we have a very rigid schedule day in and day out that we just like stick to every single day. And it's like goes by quickly. Sorry, I didn't mean to use the word rigid there, but, you know, it is a very stiff schedule. It's yeah. Set in stone, if you will. Yeah. I am looking forward to the playoffs. Well, one final thing. Week 18 is incentives week. And it's when like Adam Schefter has nothing else to do between out like random incentives that need to be hit for players to make like 500 grand. Yeah. Dude, I didn't realize how specific some of these incentives could be. I saw one today about Bradley Chubb and the Dolphins. Dolphins linebacker Bradley Chubb has reached thresholds for both playing time and sacks to trigger 5.15 million incentives. However, five point one mil. Yes. However, that is five million. That's a lot. That's a big ass incentive. Sorry, continue. No, no, yeah, there's a lot of money. However, that is all contingent on Miami's defense finishing in the top 20 and points per game. Oh, my God. Heading into Sunday's game in New England, they are 21st at 24.1. What the fuck? I didn't know they did that. Did not know they did that. So he didn't get he he didn't get his money. I don't think so, because they let up like 40 points. Damn. That's insane. Craig's like, yeah, it's a lot of money. Anyway, look at your agent like could have done fucking 20 second and points per game. It's like, are you kidding me? We've been negotiating. We've been going back and forth about this for weeks. They won't go higher than 20. If your EPA per drop back is better than point oh four. I I didn't know they did that. Yeah, that's brutal. A lot of money. To not get because you finished. God, get any agent. That's tough. Sucks for Brad the job. Sorry, Brad. Speaking of Chubbs. I was trying to Ali. I was like, Dwayne Wade with the eyes. Yes. All right. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you for listening. Emails ringer fantasy football gmail.com. I can't believe the fucking Rogers. You're right. It's exactly what he stands like. We're going to have episodes. We'll have all the coach firings that are going to happen and mock draft stuff. We'll do that. And again, we cover the draft, cover the offseason, stick with us for the playoffs. If your teams been eliminated, stick with us for the draft. The offseason free agency, all that jazz and the offseason. Honestly, the show is a little weirder and more fun when the playoffs get going. And yeah, people on Netflix Sunday, type in a ringer, look us up. It'll our show will be there. You can click. You can hit the set to remind or you can remind yourself for a reminder that we're there next Sunday. You can watch this on Netflix next Sunday. Do it. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Madonna. OK, I don't know if I've ever shot shot at her out or not. Are you a fan of hers? Yeah. Do you not you? Yeah, I think she was before our time. She was for sure. But I knew about Madonna from like League of their own. She was an actress. Right. I've been saying I think she was before our time and D.K. is like, yeah. Yes, 65 years old. That's correct. Craig, what year did she what was like her first hit? Was it like eighties? I don't know the answer. Yeah, she's a very eighties artist. I would say life is a mystery. Like a prayer. Let's see here. Wait, just like a prayer and like a like a virgin was 1984. Yeah, baby. You know, what's a great song is hung up, which samples, gimme, gimme, gimme. Van Lathen, our ringer colleague, had a Instagram story the other day where he was like random thing. But if you ever listen to a song and you just look up the song that it samples, it's like that song is usually better. And I thought that was like statement. Give me, give me, give me. I know, but that was like really good advice. And I've been trying to do that with songs and because you can kind of look it up and Spotify like what it samples. Yeah. And I'm it's actually. Pretty good tip. You can really go down like a TikTok wormhole learning like when you can just go through like, yeah, there's some people explaining songs that were sampled. And it is very cool to hear how they contort them and twist them. There's a whole New York Times article about sicko mode, because sicko mode, I think still has the most writing credits of any song ever because it samples 10 songs that sampled four songs. So it's like, I don't know, there's like 100 fucking people on the credits for sicko mode. Yeah. Craig, I read it or I saw a video about how Madonna like had to write ABBA a letter and like beg them because I guess they don't typically license any of their stuff for the most part. Yeah. And she had to like write them an individual letter, like a heartfelt letter to get the the rights for that song. Jay Z did that for Hard Knock Life, that one where it's like, like they have Annie. And he obviously they like, you know, late 90s, the people who wrote Annie in the 50s or whatever were like, you know, huge fans of the New York Rhapsody. So he had they said, no. And so he then wrote them a letter and he wrote this story about, hey, like when I was like, you know, the in Brooklyn and like they took us to Manhattan one time, we saw Annie on Broadway and had a huge impact on my on my career and my influence and I really rinsed in with me as why I became a rapper. And he wrote the story completely made it up. It was totally. God damn it. But they released they gave them the rights to the song. Good for him. Good for him. It worked out. Goodbye, everyone.