Is Your DENTAL WORK Making You Sick?

So Dr. Pompa, one of the things that you got really famous for is calling out Bullshit Online, calling out brands, speaking about toxins that are in our everyday food, personal care products, even the tea we drink. Where did your personal journey with health and wellness start? Because I know you were chronically really ill for a while. Yeah, that's my passion around calling out toxins because I was neurotoxic, well if you put a label on it, neurotoxic, mediated illness, what does that mean? That means I was so dang sick and nobody knows what's wrong with you, right? It starts with fatigue, it ends like, you know, continues on with brain fog, anxiety, can't sleep, gut problems, unexplainable, what the heck happened to my life? You know, I was healthy now, I'm not, that was my life, chased my thyroid, chased my adrenals, right? Chased it all, avoided foods, what happened, right? And that sent me on a journey and everything that I've now taught doctors for over 20 years, I learned in that battle from pain to purpose. And I always like to tell this part of the story and it means the most to me, from pain to purpose to promise. Because when I was sick looking for an answer, we had two young boys at the time, life came to a screeching halt. I mean it wasn't good, you know, my wife's here and she could tell you her part of that story and it was probably in some ways worse for her. It's always worse for the loved one, you know, trying to walk you through it. It is because, you know, you don't know what's going on. And she would remind me, because I'm thinking maybe I am just crazy. And she's like, you're not crazy, there's a cause. But several times I'm sure she'd been on her knees, you know, crying out to God for an answer. And this particular time, and it might sound crazy, but I assure you it's not and she's not, God spoke to her very clearly that not only is he going to get me well, but I'm going to take a message to the world. And when she would tell me that, I'm on, I would get very angry at her. Because my exact words were, I can't even get myself well. And how dare you put that on me? But here I am, right? Here I am because of that. So she was right, or God was right through her. I think it's always amazing that when we go through something that brings us literally to our knees metaphorically and really gets us down there. And then when we come out of that situation, we finally understand the higher purpose behind it all and how everything is correlated together. So your suffering as unfortunate as it is feels a little bit justified because you're like, I went through this horrible thing because so many other people are probably experiencing this. And when I healed myself, I can heal other people. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I always say I could have never done it if you had paid me any amount of money and said, figure this out. It just wouldn't. You had to experience it. You wouldn't do it. You had to go through it. I had to try things that failed. I had to try things that worked. I had to get to the cause. And that had to be experiential. It wasn't a mission, you know, drummed up in my brain that like, I'm going to do this. You know, it just doesn't work that way. You know, it's like, I always say, you know, it chose me. I did not choose it. How many years were you sick? You know, I was pretty sick for about four years. Wow. You know, where I didn't. Yeah, it was. I started in 1999 and, you know, 2001 to three were the worst. And then the crazy thing was is around that time I started feeling better so much so that we had a new baby and our baby was six weeks old. We just watched like literally we called it a watch party. At least my wife did. We watched a bunch of videos with the kids. Watched that birth of that child. Anyway, but something I can't even say horrible happened, but yet it was horrible. But again, it shaped me for who God needed me to be in our whole family. But we, Mary Lee's best friend growing up was her cousin, Lisa. Her husband shoots her and shoots himself and we end up with two seven year old twins at the time. The boy, the boy and a girl, the boy on the autism spectrum, Asperger's sensory integration. So our light here I am. I remember being at a dinner with my wife and I don't want to say celebrating, but just saying it's so good to have my life back. Like I, I wasn't all the way there by any means, right? But I was having more good days that I had hope and hope enough to have a baby. And then we got that call and ended up with two kids. So we went from, imagine we went from two kids to five and six weeks and I was just getting over the hump, not there yet. So when I say I was very sick for, you know, those four years, yeah, but I still wasn't well, I had massive mold sensitivity, chemical sensitivity. So I was still reacting to my environment, not in a good way. And now I have all these kids. And you're like, we have to provide for them emotionally. We have to obviously be there for them and present for them. Do you think that was even a bigger driver for you to be like, I need to figure this out even faster because we are our house is full now. Yeah. Maybe subconsciously. Yeah. I mean, because, you know, that's part of the thing that scared me. Honestly, I, you know, it's, you know, I was putting life back together in so many ways. And now here it is with a new battle that I wasn't ready for, but God knew that I needed it somehow. I don't think God gives you anything unless he knows you can handle it. And you know, it sounds crazy, but you know, you hear about stories like what you experienced having these, you know, we're going from two kids to five kids being chronically sick for four years, then getting your health back. And then another thing hits you and you're like, wait, what is even going on here? You aren't handed anything that I think you can't work through because you're meant to come out on the other side with those lessons. God had purpose in it. Absolutely. There's a scripture that says God works all things out for good for those who love those are called according to his purpose. And he did work it for good. And you know, I have to say I didn't go through it faithfully maybe at the time, meaning, you know, I was probably angry at God. I definitely felt sorry for myself. You know, my wife definitely was the anchor. My wife was the faithful one. My wife was the one who reminded me of the promise, even though I didn't want to hear it. She was the strong one that held our family together and she doesn't get that, probably credit. He's like, I'm the one out front. Everyone, you know, but it was her that God used, you know, that's why he gave her that promise honestly. So because she was open and receptive to hearing it versus you have to shut down because you were not feeling well at all. Yeah. My wife is her gift is faith. She has faith for everyone oftentimes but herself, right? It's like, but, you know, I think my kids now as adults running this company, my Pampa program is a company that my son is CEO of. I was training doctors for many years and he said, dad, you have to take it directly to people looking for answers just like you. How are you going to do that? Social media, right? So, you know, getting the message directly to people, you know, kids understand that better than I sure do. And then when he came down, Dr. Pampa to what you actually discovered, what was the root cause if you look back to what was driving your illness? Yeah. Neurotoxic mediated illness. What does that mean? Here we are. Yeah. I had a lot of mercury accumulation because when it started, I found Mad Hatter's disease online. Okay. I don't know if you know what that is, but people making felt hats were using mercury and actually even lead in some cases. They became known as mad hatter's. I had every symptom from the irritability, unexplainable anger, you know, just personality change, massive depression, I had it all. I'm like, I'm a mad hatter. Yeah. So I went and got $5,000 worth of blood tested Alligating General Hospital met with the head of toxicology and it's going to show something. It didn't. It was like, I got the look of, you know, he said, you're healthier than me, son. You know, like, wow, this is great. That's when I really lost hope. But one of those tests was a mercury blood test, which is the wrong test. So here we are a year or so later. I'm working with a very bright endocrinologist and read his book. At some point I felt like I knew his material better than him. But he said to me, I think you have mercury toxicity. It was my body temperatures up and down, et cetera. And I'm like, I thought so too. And he said, well, wrong test. It won't show up in the blood unless it was you were getting an exposure every day like mad hatter. They were getting exposed every day. But you know, I'm thinking more chronic, da, da, da. Fast forward. I asked the question, well, where do you think I got it from? Well, do you have any silver, Malcom fillings? You know, da, da, da. Do you have any dental work around the time this happened? So I looked back at my cycling journal because I was training a lot at the time. And sure enough, days after when the fatigue started, that was the first symptom, right? Just fatigue. Most people would say. So I thought I was just training too hard. And then it was like anxiety. Then it was, you know, all the other symptoms that were coming. But it correlated. That's my dogs, my dogs. But it correlated with that day. I had two silver fillings drilled out just randomly. And instantly you felt that reaction. And I did. I thought it was the anesthesia. That's what I did. I thought it was the anesthetic. I did never put two and two together. But all that was so much of those fillings have 50% mercury. Okay. And when you drill them, it vaporizes. Now, keep in mind, I was already accumulating mercury. I wore contact lenses, you know, 70s, 80s and 90s contact lens fluid had some something called thimerosal. Thimerosal is a very neurotoxic form of vaccine. Okay. So that mercury I was getting from the contact lens fluid directly into my brain. And of course, I had a mouth full of fillings. So did my mother. There's a study called the Drash study. It's a German study, one of the first to show the number of silver fillings containing 50% mercury in mom's mouth is proportional to how much is in the baby's brain. Now, that's an autopsy study. During the time of conception. Yeah. So meaning mom's leaching mercury the whole time from these fillings every time they chew. If someone goes in just for fun and puts in smoking tooth video, that's a 25 year old filling that they just rub with a pencil and watch the mercury vapor on a fluorescent screen just pour off of that filling. That's going right into our brain. Okay. Mom's mercury goes into the baby's brain in utero. That was an autopsy study, very accurate. It's the only way to look at brain mercury is actually that way. And that is the first exposure I had, you know, contact lenses. Of course, I'm sure I had other exposures. I played with mercury as a kid, you know, from thermometers, but that's not even a big exposure compared to the fillings that I had as a kid. They just put fillings in. If you had a dark spot in your darn tooth, right? So all those exposures, then they drill on that filling. That was the straw that broke the camel's back overflowed my bucket as I like to say in bang, my symptoms started. I was also in a low grade moldy home at the time, right? So I was tolerating that until this happened. And by the way, one of the things that I always teach doctors is look for the perfect storm. It's typically never one thing. It could be physical, chemical or emotional stressors. Three storms come together like the George Clooney movie, the perfect storm and bam, that's when the genes get triggered. That's when you become sick, right? So when I'm teaching doctors, I'm saying find the perfect storm, the causative factors, remove those and now you have a chance, you know, to get somebody truly well. Most people even in functional medicine is a big criticism I have. People are buying a lot of expensive tests doing a lot of expensive supplements, expensive bio hacks. We all love a lot of those things I do too, right? But how did I get my life back? I got to the cause of why most people are actually not well today. So we started this conversation by saying your passion is, you know, exposing these things. It's because that's why people don't feel well. That's why people have brain fog. It's more complicated than just diet, although diet is a delivery system of a lot of these toxins, right? But it is more complicated than, you know, just not getting enough sun perhaps, although we need a lot of sun. I could talk about a lot of good things, but no, it's the level of these types of toxins that in the scientific literature, they call persistent toxins. What that means is they bio accumulate in our tissue. So when our government protective bodies tell us that this amount of mercury lead or arsenic or aluminum is safe, they are not considering all the other things accumulating in our tissue and they're not considering your other toxins that you accumulated that shut down your cellular detox pathways. And now you're accumulating these things and you're wondering why what the heck is going on. You've changed your diet. You still don't feel well. You're exercising, or at least if you have the energy, you know, you can't lose weight anymore. Your energy, your brain fog, you can't sleep. What's going on? 99% of the time you have an accumulation of these types of toxins. My morning coffee is part of a ritual for me. It is from the first sip to the last sip is something I really enjoy. But being able to do that and consume coffee that does not leave me feeling sick, nervous or anxious or rigid is such a true pleasure. And that is why I'm so excited to also bring you life boost coffee. 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So head to Life Boost Coffee and use the code below and I promise you you will be left with a smile on your face feeling grounded and caffeinated in the right way. And let's get back to the show. When you look at people and speak to people and when you're training up doctors, what do you think the number one root cause or why people are chronically inflamed? Because inflammation is off the charts these days and people like me even come back and I just recently got some blood work done and my inflammation markers were off the charts. I eat clean. Yes, I eat clean. I have a non-toxic house. I have no mold exposure but my inflammation was off the charts and I'm thinking to myself if somebody like me who's so educated, who's in the space, is feeling this way, what is going on in the rest of the world? That's right. Well, bingo, you made my point for me. The level of toxicity that we all are exposed to and you do our best to avoid it. I don't drink out of plastic bottles. I say no thank you. I mean I do the best I can. That said, we have so many exposures we cannot control. we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we value together. We know it causes brain problems starting with brain fog leading to dementia, Alzheimer's, etc. neurodegenerative conditions. Okay, so the answer question is, is look, yes, do genetics play a role? Yes, some people are gifted with some better pathways to get rid of the stuff. But today, I don't care how good your pathways are, we're all accumulating these toxins at a high rate. If you look at the forever chemicals that I expose on my Instagram, right, these are chemicals that we know are causing cancer, endocrine disruption, meaning hormone problems, hormone dysregulation. We are exposed to heavy metals in so many different things as we just discussed. To your point, you mentioned mold, 70 some percent of all homes in the United States have mold in there, unknowing to the people that live in them because of the way we're building homes. Okay, and then we're the plastic accumulation, right? So think about it. The personal care products, what are you washing your clothes in that have all these neurotoxins, every fragrance that is in every product that people are rubbing on their skin, using in their hair, washing their clothes with those fragrances, they're protected by intellectual property laws, right, that allow them to not tell us what's in their product. Oh, and you know what, it's banned substances that are in other countries, cancer, cause or hormone. Yeah, all these other countries have banned them. But oh, no, here, we're allowed to be, you know, to put those in the products and they're exposing us in our families. So we wonder why we're so sick. So my point is this, it's not as easy as just changing your diet. Yes, change your diet, please drink clean water, please avoid these sources. But my cellular detox is what I'm passionate about. It saved my life, millions of others now because I've trained so many doctors and my own program, but you have to do detox correctly. It's not as simple as sitting in a sauna. Trust me, I love saunas. It's not as simple as doing a lot of fun bio hacks that we love. If we're only so easy, you have to up regulate the cells to what they do God designed ourselves to get rid of toxins day in day out. Once that gets down regulated, now you start accumulating, your genes start getting triggered, your cellular energy starts dying and now nothing works. All your bio hacks, nothing works. I want to talk a little bit more in depth for our audience listening about your true cellular detox. What is the detox? How long is it? What does it entail? And can you maybe walk me through at the end of that? Maybe a really severe case besides yours that was turned around using this detox? Yeah, a lot of those, by the way, I'll tell you a fun story around that ties into that question. My program, we have a five month program and a year program. The reason why is most people will say, Oh, I did it. I'm using heavy metals as an example, or I could use mole. I did a heavy metal detox. And already. So I'm, you know, kind of saying like I did that, I still don't feel good. Okay, heavy metals are accumulated in tissue in the brain. And that's really where the big problem is, right? That was my problem. It's years, not months. You don't do a heavy metal program for three months, let alone the 10 day cleanse that most people are trying to do and think, Oh, I do. I heard it from a friend of mine yesterday who I'm staying with. Oh, I've done a lot of detox. What did you do? And then the doctor, the gentleman who I trained was like, Well, you didn't do his detox. And how long did you do it for? He did the hard work for me saying like, Yeah, okay, you didn't even touch what's in your brain. Yeah, you didn't touch what's in your tissue in, you know, in your cells or your body. So our goal with the program is to teach people the process. So they can do it long enough to matter. When I had a clinic, and I was doing this for people, it wasn't as effective as now I have a virtual program. Why? Because we are now forced to teach people the process. And it's different for everyone. It's different for you than it is me. The key laders, the things we're using the support you need is going to be different than the next person. So you can't just put detox in a box and say, Here, do this cleanse. It's not like that. You know, 20 years of teaching this, you know, what's going on with you is a little different than the next person. Your sources were different. Therefore, your key laders might be different. Therefore, your support might be different. But I'll promise you this, your doses are always different. Some people do better with bigger doses, honestly, and feel better. Some people do better with smaller doses more often and feel better. So the point is there's an art and science to this. And that's what I'm passionate about because I taught it. But look, it's real. And it's like in my biggest frustration in our space is that people aren't doing things that are real. They're doing things that are convenient. They're doing things that are easy, but they're not doing the things that are actually real. I have better conversations around detox with scientists than I do doctors. It's like detox in our space. It's kind of like health or nutrition in our government. You know, it doesn't go away. Bad things, myths don't go away. Fat's bad, right? You know, calories in, calories out. I mean, I could go through a whole thing that most people still believe because our government still talks about it, right? You know, cholesterol is bad cholesterol is bad, right? I mean, I could go down, you know, I could go down a list. But the fact is, is that's the way it is in our space with detox. They think Corella is like the metal magnet. If it were only so easy, it's not. So anyway, there, I get a little route up there. But no, but it's important for people to know, is this mainly done through supplementation? Or do you also partner with clinics to do anything through IVs? Well, look, IV chelation is very dangerous because you're putting in a large amount of a chelator. It goes away. So now I said, there's an art in science to detox. This is the science. Okay, it has a half life, meaning how long it stays in your body, right, in your blood system. And then it goes out of the body. Problem is, then you get a massive amount of redistribution. So key laders, you have to take them within their half life. So you have to take them frequent enough to not get this redistribution. Then you have to take them for a certain amount of days in a cycle to where when you stop, you don't get this redistribution. So when people do an IV of say EDTA, DMPS, you know, Bust out a calling is not a chelator. So I would be okay with an IV of Povastota Coley. But when you're using chelators for detox, they come in, they go away, you go home, and now you're redistributing heavy metals. Right. You see, that's the problem. But a lot of people in our space are using weak chelators, chelators that don't really have a bond that holds on and doesn't let go. So they're using a lot of plant chelators that cause redistribution as well. That's the science of detox. The artist figuring out what's good for you. What's good for each individual person. And so in going back to a case that you look back at and you're like, wow, yeah, I want to know about a case that was. Okay, so I said there's a fun one. So a gal named Ava who's some people, beautiful girl, and people make fun of her eyebrows because they think they're fake, but they're real. Anyways, I just... I need a picture of this person now. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So anyways, but so she was 17. She got very sick, bed bound for a year and a half. What happened? Multiple exposures, perfect storm. I typically didn't take on teenagers because they definitely don't listen. I could tell within short order, this gal was different. I took her on. Anyways, we figure out her big causes that were missed. Her father, he wasn't, wealthy by any means, but they had her at the Mayo Clinic. Every clinic, they were paying out a pocket for every treatment. I mean, they were going everywhere doing everything. In my first meeting with her, I realized they missed it. Like they didn't even deal, they didn't even ask these right questions. And her mother was even said, no one has ever asked us those questions before. Anyways, fast forward. I get her well. Fast forward again. My son says, I'm going to Indiana. And I'm like, why are you going to Indiana tomorrow? He says, and he got this little grin on his face that he gets. He's like, well, I'm seeing a girl. Who's in Indiana? Yeah. And then my brain was like, Oh no. Ava. Is she now your daughter-in-law? I just lost that for social media. She's beautiful. So anyway, I said, Daniel, don't even do it. No, no, no, no. I said, that's a good family. I'm thinking like, he's going to go there and mess everything up. Right. Anyways, he marries Ava. So it was all good intentions. Okay. You have my first grandchild. I saw that. But I mean, Ava was so sick. She's told her story publicly out on social media, right? And how sick she was. She had Lyme diagnosis. She had an accumulation of heavy metals, mercury. I mean, she had a lot of neurotoxic things. She had a perfect storm of things that how she ended up there. And again, it was getting to that cause, how she got her life back. She's passionate about it. Obviously. Yeah, of course. She's on the mission. She's part of the pump family now. You know, so you talked a lot about how there are three, almost like a stool in their three legs to it. You have your emotional health, you have obviously this over stimulation of getting bombarded with toxins and then it's the detox pathways. So I last year did a lot of the Fosatidocolean IVs. I got to, I had Babesia that I discovered that I went to Africa for Safari, came back with Babesia was having night sweats and all of that, did not know what it was. Which is a Lyme, a back area that can drive Lyme disease and other illnesses like chronic fatigue. Yeah. And so I was experiencing that. I go do all these PCIVs and stuff, try to get rid of it, try to take, you know, pharmaceuticals for the Babesia and stuff. Dr. Pompa, the Babesia still has not left my body because my nervous system has been so unregulated. And so I had a doctor turn around and tell me that Iman doesn't matter what you give yourself, but until you get out of fight or flight when it comes to your nervous system, it's got a cellular danger response. Okay. So we want to talk about that because I bet you so many people are like, Oh, I'll just take this pill, I'll take this pharmaceutical drug, I'll do this, but it's not leaving because it goes back to your nervous system. Absolutely. Well, like I'm on, so many people are dealing with this, right? Right. Okay. First off, right? You will never get the bacteria completely out, just like you'll never, you know, eradicate all Candida or Epstein bar virus, right? So these are all opportunistic pathogens that when your immune system is distracted, they will take over. And yes, you have to beat them back at times. However, you will not eradicate them. Your immune system, your neuro immune system has to get to the point where it has it. Okay, we're good. That's right. Now, at any moment, so you could have a massive stress. Let's say you got into God forbid, a horrible car accident, you're under a lot of emotional stress, and you were in a moldy home at the same time, you could be re triggered. And all of a sudden I feel like I have Lyme again, because now your immune system went like this, force field down, and now these pathogens come out. A lot of people chase parasites, Epstein bar, all these things. And again, there's a time to beat them back. But unless you deal with the thing that's actually taking your force field down, then you will still continue to battle those pathogens. So again, there's certain parts of the United States that 90% of the people who have Lyme disease, babitzia, etc. Why aren't they all sick? 80 some percentage of the population has Epstein bar, right? Why aren't they all sick? Because their immune system has it in check. So the better question is, is how do I bolster my force field? How do I get my immune system fighting for me? Okay, that's when you have to look at all these accumulated toxins that are keeping you in that cellular danger response, your body thinks it's saving its life, your body's keeping you in this sympathetic dominant state, you know, and what happens is that affects your immune system and it lets these pathogens continue to go on, which makes the problem even worse. So you get the point, it's this catch 22. But where most people go wrong is they're not getting rid of the bio accumulated toxins that are actually keeping the force field down. And that's my that's what I teach. And when people are on this cellular detox program with yours, is it through a bunch of herbs, supplementation, diet, sleep, there's a there's a core of products that I developed over the years. And that core is used very differently and dosages differently, right? So someone gets a coach and they are worked individually with that coach from that core. And then again, depending on what their major perfect storm is, exposures causes, if you will, then they're dealing directly with that, we work with a lot of special dentists across the country, because dentistry plays a big role, people have hidden infections, like your babitzia could be hiding in something called a cavitation, which you had a root canal out say, when you were a teenager, or a root canal, you could have a root canal, that's one, but wisdom tooth out as a teenager, the tooth's gone, but it heals over. And now you have this little hiding place with low blood flow that is the babitzia, other pathogens hide there. And again, keeping your force field down because they're leaching into the bloodstream from this area. So oftentimes, we have to work with dentists to make sure that people don't have these hidden infections, like biological dentists, right? Yeah, biological, but not all biological dentists, because, you know, they'll take out mercury safely, but they, a lot of them don't understand the proper protocol for cavitation removal. We need something called a cone beam, which is a 3d x ray that you have to have special software to read a lot of dentists read them like playing films mistake. And then you have to have special lasers, there's a process, you know, that has gotten better even over the last two years to deal with these cavitations. That's one example. You have to look at people's workspaces, you have to look at people's homes for different bacterias that build up because of water mold, obviously, certain VOCs, volatile organic com, volatile organic chemicals, compounds that keep people sick. So I mean, all of these things need addressed. And if you get those things addressed, the big, big exposures, now you have a chance to get the cells up regulated in the body, removing the toxins, the immune system comes on board all of a sudden, Hey, it's like these pathogens that I was fighting back that happened to me. I was constantly dealing with parasite infection. I was constantly dealing with Candida stuff, beat it back, beat it back. And it just kept coming back because my mercury levels were so high that it's my immune system couldn't come on board. So it's so funny. I have had my wisdom teeth all taken out. I've also had a lot of extractions when I was a child instead of making more room in my mouth. Yeah, I used to do that. You know, these are just pull everything out. I'm 42. So back then they should just be like extract, extract, extract, put in, you know, braces, and instead of creating more room in my mouth for the teeth to actually fit. Yeah, there's a whole different philosophy now, right? They would hopefully people aren't getting that done today. Right. Yeah, there's we want to expand, right, the jaw make room that way. But all those teeth you had extracted, every one of those need evaluated by the right dentist with a cone beam with the right software to make sure you don't have cavitation. And again, think of little caves that the animals, the pathogens back up in protect themselves hide from your immune system. And you will never eradicate them unless you get rid of those caves. So it's a part of a perfect storm. It may not even be the thing that got you sick. But it's what's keeping me sick because that's where the Babesia might be hiding bingo right there. And so how many good biological dentists are there in America because they're not that easy to come by. There's not people go to the I am t.org. You can find a biological dentist there. But again, I warn you, not all of them even do great biological dentistry. Not all of them definitely do cavitation work. There is a growing number. I you know, so much has shifted in the last two years. I'm probably I am the number one dental referral in the world, because so many people in my program and this is something we have to rule out in sick people that have tried everything as an example. And so we have dentists now around the country who are very trained. How many I don't know. I mean, really good ones. I mean, I hope that there's a couple hundred. I right. Yeah. And it's I just think it's another thing. Another for anybody listening, if they're having signs and symptoms, right? How do they get tested for this to then contact somebody like yourself and your team and your program to then get referred out? But how would they even know? How do we even test for this? Yeah. Well, again, what are we testing for? Right? I've mentioned testing homes homes, you know, you knew office space. You said I don't have mold. So what that told me is she's privy enough to go, oh, I better make sure I don't have mold, right? So but even that, I warned people because I would say almost 100% of the people that I would sit down with would say, yeah, I checked for mold. Oh, what did you do? I did an air test. They came in. Yeah. Yeah. Most air tests are negative because the molds behind the wall molds like Stacky botchers don't even put out a spore that they're very difficult to pick up in an air test. And it's depends on how positively or negatively pressured the home is. But so you have to test behind walls. Dust testing is a better way to look at tests, bacteria testing. What is dust testing, by the way? So you're testing the dust for more of a history of the mold of this building. Okay, for example, and you're going to find a different level of exposure there than the air. Can two people live in the same house and one show up with mold exposure and one not because one has better like detoxification? Yeah, like I said, I mean, genetics plays a role. But I think it's overblown. Honestly, I think the person who gets sick to your point, let's say that, you know, there's a moldy home, and four people in the home, two are very sick, the other two are maybe one's very sick. You know, genetics do play some role. But what we have found is more importantly, it's how filled up someone's bucket is, meaning how many other neurotoxic exposure that they already dealt with. And then this becomes the final straw that breaks the camel's back. I like to sometimes I have two glasses of water, you visualize this with me and those listening. So we can do it just thinking about it. I have one glass that's filled to the very, very rim, not quite overflowing, but right there. Then I have one glass that's maybe a third filled. The one that's just a third filled, I could shake that and stress it. Life goes on. No brain, you don't see any water spilling. This one, I just stress it a little bit and you see the water coming over. This is where many people are living their lives with that just a little stress. I'm feeling better now, I'm feeling better, but then a little stress comes in, I'm not feeling better. They travel, they don't feel good. Their buckets too full, right? So it's like how we get them wells, we have to empty that stress bucket. Now remember, that could be physical, chemical and emotional stress, all of it, the body doesn't even know the difference. So your traumas in your life are filling that bucket too, right? But then that little bit of stress and it could be so the person in the moldy home, right? That gets sick, I believe that this person, this person tolerated for another 10 years. It's not good for anybody. Yeah, just like the silver fillings. My husband has a mouth full as he's fine. Yeah, his bucket's still here for now, right? Because he didn't have a lot of infection. He didn't have a lot of different exposures. He grew up differently than you, etc, etc. And so when it comes to this book, always fascinates me, it's called the body keeps score and you talked about something right now that your emotional body also matters because that can also be a trigger that sets you off. How when you're working with patient patients or clients are coming through and your coaches are training them and stuff, when people have a lot of emotional stress in their life, how do you navigate them away from that? Because you can give someone put them on a detox, give them supplementation, get mold out of their system, but your emotional body is a lot harder to regulate. So how do you guys, how do you actually advise people to target that? You know, I always correctly, I feel say I'm not the expert there. I am the expert in the chemical part of that, right? I have interviewed on my podcast some incredible experts in that, and I would never even put myself in that. However, that said, I recognize that it is part of the perfect storm that keeps people sick. I think there's a lot of great techniques, EMDR, right? I mean, you can go down a list of a lot of different things that, and I would argue that work better for some certain things work better for some people than others. But you have to deal with it just like you do those toxins, right? If you sat in front of somebody and all your emotional traumas came out, you'd probably die. You'd definitely go into a state of depression and you know, end up yeah, exactly. So they have to come out slowly. I say that to again, people that think, Oh, I did a detox in for three months, 10 days, whatever it is, hilarious. It's like dealing with your emotional traumas. No, they have to come out in layers as your innate intelligence allows them to surface in your conscious mind. Because a lot of it's bringing it to the awareness of the conscious mind, right? And, you know, then you're dealing with it, then you're okay with it, right? That same process absolutely has to happen at the chemical level, as well as the emotional trauma level. But you have to detox it. Yes, you do. And I and you asked me what I do, I mean, look, you know, or what I like to recommend. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I think that I had said that, you know, you hear a lot of things from a lot of people that help them from mushrooms to different things of, you know, I think that you have to find what you believe in works for you as an individual. I have seen this research, so 30% more women develop autoimmune disease than men. So then we're susceptible to it. Do you think that's down to they're just more sensitive to environments? Or do you think that's down to the over increase in our personal care product products versus men's personal care products? Like, why are more women susceptible to autoimmunity than men? Yeah, I mean, I think when you look at it, though, also women are more protected from other conditions too, right? Men have more heart attacks, right? You know, so I think that women, I think a lot of their gift of intuition brings on they hold stress different. You mentioned my three legged stool analogy. The three legged stool, I give it as an analogy of how people get sick. And I love it, especially for autoimmune. And three legged stool of autoimmune, I wrote an article about it, but a certain gene gets turned on the old dogma was, Oh, you just got Hashimoto's because your mother had it. Yeah, that's bunk. Okay. Epigenetics mean those genes get triggered. The science shows you can turn off those genes, right? If you get rid of the thing that turned them on. So if we look at what triggers genes, okay, so one leg is a gene can get triggered, and we all have susceptibilities, right? So the gene gets turned on, but it can be turned off. Epigenetics. The other leg of the stool is the stressors in a perfect storm that turn on the gene. So now we're back to my work of if we get to those, those big stressors, if you're living in a moldy home, Oh, yeah, you're triggering genes, you know, it's a matter of when, and then we have to get rid of that stress, and then we can turn off the gene. But there's one more leg of the stool, your microbiome, right? Your microbiome makes certain bacteria that you need for your brain to function normally, right? Your microbiome has certain bacteria that your immune system needs to make something called a T regulatory cell. Those are cells that tell your immune system, it's okay, back down, right? So T regulatory, they regulate your immunity. Well, wait a minute. So what you're saying is, if I don't have enough of these bacteria that are very sensitive to certain toxins, so think about that leg of the stool, the same toxins that turned on the gene can be the same toxins that are diminishing these specific bacteria that are very sensitive to these toxins. And now you don't have enough of them. So you don't make enough T reg cells autoimmune, three legged stool. So many practitioners just trying to treat the microbiome. Well, you got to think about these stressors that are actually affecting the microbiome and turning on the gene, right? And then you have to do the pro its cellular work to turn off the gene. And you have to deal with that's why I'm saying so these three things, if you know the analogy of a three legged stool, you have to be there for you to get sick, right? Otherwise, the stool doesn't stand up the analogy of a three legged stool, but the analogy is they all have to be dealt with. And most practitioners, even functional medicine alternative, are only dealing with one, two legs of the stool and not all three. So in with that theory of the three legged stool, then it should be really possible to reverse autoimmune disorders and women like things like Hashimoto's, which is one of the most common one that women are attacked with. Ava had Hashimoto's diagnosis. A gal Andrea, who you spoke to, right? Full Hashimoto's. How did she end up working with me? Because, you know, fixed her her body fixed her Hashimoto's, right? But yeah, full blown Hashimoto's. Oh, and other a stacking autoimmune, right? Because once you get one autoimmune, they start to stack. Your body is attacking itself. And we just name them by what tissue lupus. Oh, that just means your autoimmune is attacking your skin. Okay, well, rheumatoid arthritis, it's now attacking your joint. Yeah, you know, it's like, so we name them on what your body is attacking. But isn't it the same problem? 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Number one, weight loss resistance is a new thing, meaning you've changed your diet, you're eating better than all your friends, you're exercising more than all your friends, you're doing everything right if we put quotes around it and you still can't lose weight. Okay, that's a hormone problem, but it's a cellular problem because when your hormones can't get into the cell because toxins inflame the cell, now it doesn't matter how many hormones you take, what you do, you can't lose weight, you still don't feel well, you don't have energy, you have brain fog, that is a cellular inflammation problem driven mostly by toxins and I would add some like vegetable oil, canola oils, all these bad oils, like a lot of reasons, but this is a new problem, the inability to lose weight, that's why so many people are reaching for GLP1. There's another reason, we talked about how toxins are decimating our microbiome, our good bacteria, well you make certain bacteria help you, like you need certain bacteria to make those T regulatory cells that affect autoimmune, well you need certain bacteria to make GLP1 hormone and so so many people are diminished in it, so here's what happens, they hear their friend that took it and they feel better, they even feel less inflamed, well because they were just like someone who takes a hormone that was low, but here's the problem, your body regulates this in such great communication with your microbiome, how much it needs, when it needs it, in a perfect balance just like any other hormone and so when we come in and start giving it, our body starts not producing it and as we all know, it becomes impossible to come off of this, this is going to end badly and I know I get a lot of hate mail around it, I know people are doing low dose and it's like you know and they're going to tell their story how good they feel for now and but the problem is is they too are going to have trouble coming off of it and we're trying to force a hormone on the body and say we know best and violate innate intelligence, I'm telling you I'm right on this and it's going to be maybe five years before the whole thing blows up, it's already blowing up because we have now it's affecting the eyes more than we thought, it's affecting all these things because we're putting in an amount of a hormone that innate intelligence should be regulating, it's a fail, this whole thing's a fail. Do you think even with because I've had a lot of guests on the podcast who've talked about from a parent menopause perspective, women going on a low dose, trizepatide, very very micro dose of it has helped people, women especially who are going through menopause with the with the mood changes, with the inflammation, with the weight, do you think even for them it would be a danger? Well here's the thing, I would, I'm the first to say that it's going to help these people but the problem is, yes, it's not looking at the long term game, right? So listen, I, there's a time and a place to take a hormone period, especially when you don't have a gland that produces it, right? Full hysterectomy, yeah, you're probably gonna have to reach the hormone, but this is still, it doesn't make the game any easier to play because you're still going okay, innate intelligence, I know best, right? Because throughout the day, if you look at your testosterone, thyroid, hormone, when you do a blood test for thyroid hormone, are you doing it in the morning or night because you're going to get different results? Absolutely. Yeah, so meaning that what's happening is, is innate intelligence regulates hormones as it needs it, there's cortisol goes up, this suggests testosterone adjusts, all these things are going on because your body knows so well. When we come in and give a hormone, we're putting a flat curve in there. And again, I'm not saying there's not a time for that. Okay, so, you know, people on it permanently, and that becomes a problem. Absolutely. And again, if you don't have a gland, you're going to have to take probably a certain hormone permanently, right? But this whole microbiome disruption, what about taking a bacteria like acrymencia? Yeah, and we're discovering other ones, it play into your body helping it produce its own GOP one, that is a better option because it's not shutting down your own production, it's supporting your production. So I think there were learning better options. And I think those people would benefit from, you know, some of those solutions as well. Look, I mean, who am I to sit here and you know, a woman or someone's life is absolutely unlivable for whatever reason. And GLP one has made that better for them. Who am I to say the stress of this or the problem of this, maybe they say, you know what, I'm going to take up my whole life and I don't care, I'd say, yeah, I get that. So I'm not, you know, I'm not saying that I know your situation, right? I'm saying that as a whole, this thing's going to blow up. And what are I know the research that just came out that affects your eyesight? Yeah, is there anything else that's come up more recently that people may not know about? Got problems that it's causing, you know, with shocking people like, oh, wow, like we didn't know, because now people have been on them for longer, right? So, and this is not going to, you know, decrease, it's going to increase of what we keep finding out that because we're forcing this hormone, that things are happening to the negative. And when it comes to like, when we're talking going back a little bit to looking at things like environmental toxins, right? Obviously, people can look at their home and the mold and stuff, but in plain sight, where the most toxins hiding that you're picking up on and somebody's coming to you as a patient, they're like, Oh, Dr. Pompa, we cleared our home, we're drinking, we're not drinking out of plastic, we're eating organic, but where else are those sneaky toxins hiding? Yeah, I mean, you know, you're right. Thank God, we talked about moldy homes, because that's a big hidden space, we talked about cavitations, that's a big hidden space, right? I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of heavy metals they've accumulated over the years. Yeah, and that's a big hidden problem. Like, you know, you can't here's another big problem with that, right? There's not one perfect heavy metal test without biopsy in the brain. Because a lot of people who even do a heavy metal challenge like I did, where you're looking at the urine, you take a key later and look at it, which is a better way to do it. We're still not looking what's in the brain. And a lot of people who do that challenge test and have the worst heavy metal issues like autistic children, it's here, and it doesn't show up, doesn't show up in the hair doesn't show up in the urine doesn't show up in the blood. So testing is very hard for heavy metals. And therefore, a lot of people are sick because they've accumulated a lot of heavy metals. Here's one that is passionate. You're about you because some of it is exposure. I think women underestimate men in that category to women use more personal care products on average double the amount of toxicity hormone disruptors they're getting from their personal care products. Yeah, why? Because it's a little bit day in day out. Once, probably twice a day, day in day out poisoning yourself a little bit every absolutely. And again, that's what people aren't realizing. And then it's accumulating and then you be then many women are living now in a low grade moldy home that's stressing their cellular detox pathways. And now they're accumulating all these toxins from all their personal care products from their makeup, their hair. So I think women are choosing better products. People are becoming more sensitive to these chemicals. I interviewed Jenny McCarthy on my podcast, she has her own line now because she realized that I'm reacting to so many of these products that I'm using and so many of them have phthalates and different hormone disruptors that are in the personal care products. What is your take on when we talk about testing because if you think about blood testing, right, if we really think about it, it can be so helpful, but it's just a snapshot in time, right? So when people come to you with just their blood work and they haven't done any other testing, how likely are you and your team to be like, okay, this is a be all and end all of things? Yeah, I blood testing, you know, it can be helpful for certain things, especially certain deficiencies deficiencies. I mean, even then, right, because deficiencies, certain ones show vitamin D shows up in the blood, it's fat soluble. But like water soluble deficiencies, that's not going to show up. And matter of fact, sometimes when people have a lot in the blood, B 12, for example, they're not getting it in the cell. So it's not what people think. You know, blood work, you could look at liver enzymes and go holy cow, your liver stress, but that's typically so far down a level of toxicity and problems and infections that your liver enzymes would rise, right? So is it helpful? Yes. But is it helpful for the person who's just not feeling well, has anxiety, has brain fog, doesn't have energy get through a day, typically their blood works in normal. And it's very frustrating. The first blood marker that goes off is thyroid. Reason why is because thyroid is the canary in the coal mine. What do I mean by that? I date myself with that comment. They used to literally bring canaries in coal mines. And when the canary would die, because they're so sensitive to certain toxins and gases, the canary would die, the miners knew they had a certain amount of time to get out of the mine. Now today, we have sophisticated women for that. But the point is, is the thyroid is very sensitive. So you see that go south first, especially in women. So when I always said, I just looked at a blood test for someone yesterday, and I, everything was normal, everything was normal. Thyroid, TPO antibodies, her thyroid, you know, her ant, her own immune system was attacking her thyroid. She really didn't have symptoms, I would say, except maybe weight loss resistance, right? But you know, not sick, a healthy woman. And yet her own immune system was attacking the thyroid. That's a toxicity issue. And this is what I think a lot of people get wrong, right? So what other testing would you recommend for people? So a blood work may just be like, if you're getting your blood work done, and you're listening to this, and your blood work is not coming up that bad, but you're still feeling really, really sick, and no one's being able to answer the question for you, what other tests should they then look towards? Yeah, look, I'm not the over tester. I, you know, I, I think because a lot of people, maybe because I've been through it, right? I was on the other side of it. I spent thousands, thousands of dollars on tests, only to be discouraged, right? When it really came about figuring out what my perfect storm was, that's how I got my life back. That's how I even got her life back and you're all these people got their lives back. And that said, I'm not saying that testing is not I'm not saying you don't do testing, right? I'm just saying, you know, it's overblown a lot of the tests that even the microbiome tests that people are doing. If you did the microbiome test a week later, you'd see a different microbiome. It depends on what you've been eating that week. Yeah, exactly. That's what it comes down to. Absolutely. And depending on even what stresses you're on, right? Blood work, as we already pointed out, very transient. If you do it in the morning versus the afternoon, you know, you could get different results for different things, right? It only shows some major, major issues, not the minor issues. So, you know, but it still can be utilized specifically. I think the genetic testing is fun. I think it gives ideas. But it's not helping most people that don't feel well have done it already. But I think it's, you know, yeah, okay, great. I can support my methylation a little better. I can do this a little better. But it's not the end. I'll be all I also want to get into because we talked about the, you know, the gut microbiome, how it can change from week to week. So, the carnivore and keto diet have become like really mainstream. People are talking about it all over online. What is your take on the real value of being on one of these diets and how should people really be cycling these diets in and out? And a man versus a woman. Yeah, exactly. And it is very different, by the way, right? I've taught fasting for years. Yeah. I've studied fasting since the 1990s. I love fasting. But now today, you have a lot of people doing too much fasting. So I go to these seminars and my thing is the feast is as important as the fast. And as you know, I teach something called diet variation, feast, famine, cycling, of how important it is to change your diet. I love keto diets, but I wouldn't stay on one. I love carnivore diets, especially for autoimmune. But you can't stay on them. I love plant based diets, but I would never stay on one. Right. So, you know, I can't say I love vegan diets, but for a short period of time, it could be beneficial. I would never stay on one. The point is, is that I'm not a proponent of just one diet. I believe that we are meant as humans to change diet. Our ancestors were forced to change diet, environmental changes, food scarcity, etc. Today, we can eat the same eight foods and most people do. It's the worst thing to monoculture your microbiome. So we need to rotate and change diets, but it's very difficult for people. You literally have to give them diet plans to do it. Even people that are intermittent fasting, they're eating their one or two meals a day and they're doing it again and again. Most of them end up in a state where the body thinks it's starving. And it starts to work against them, although in the beginning it worked for them. Every diet typically works for somebody. That's how they end up so passionate. Right. A vegan ends up passionate about a vegan diet. Because it worked for them too. Typically because it helped them. They felt better. They cleaned up their diet. A paleo person ends up on a paleo diet passionate about it because they switched that diet and it helped them. The problem is, is they're not looking at the fact that now they really could benefit from a higher healthy carbohydrate diet. Right. So typically, how long should somebody be on a carnivore keto, like a high protein, high carb diet? What is the ideal window for somebody being on it? Yeah. I think the ivermetic way of diet, seasonal changes, makes a lot of sense. Meaning winter time, ancient cultures would actually move to a keto carnivore diet because they had to. It got them through the winter. Summer time or spring time would come. Berries would start coming out. I think if you follow that type of eating, I think that is the healthiest thing you can do. Right. But the problem is we go to a grocery store and we can get berries any time of the year. Right. So that makes it a little harder because you don't know eating season. Yeah, exactly. But seasonal eating, I think is a really good way to rotate your diet. I get bored in diets. I move in and out of keto, you know, more often than I, you know, it's like, I'm just going to go keto for a couple weeks. But I'm very metabolically flexible that I can get into keto very quickly and I can move out and very good. Most people aren't able to do that. So longer spans will typically help them better. So when we talk about being metabolically flexible, what does that mean for somebody listening? They're like, how, what is being metabolically flexible and how can I tell if I am or am not metabolically flexible? You're asking great questions. That this is a really good thing for people to learn. Your cells can only use two things for energy, sugar or fat. Okay. So someone who's metabolically flexible has the mitochondrial ability. That's where you burn fat. That's where you make energy to when it's not eating burn fat. So at night, you're not eating. If you're metabolically flexible, you're burning fat. Oh, and you wake up in the morning, you appear literally leaner, your body feasted from its fat. Okay, but some people, and by the way, when you eat carbohydrates, your sugar, you burn that. So that's flexibility. That's healthy. That's the way our cells in mitochondria should work. But because of toxicity, the mitochondria are like the canaries in the coal mine, very sensitive to toxins. They're stuck is sugar burners with the inability to use fat as an energy source. So what does that mean? That doesn't mean your fat or skinny necessarily. So it could have you could be skinny or fat. But here you are at night. Now with the inability to use fat at the cellular level. So what is your body use muscle? Yeah. So you get skinny fat. Like when I was sick, I became skinny fat, right? It's like I was losing muscle. My metabolism was getting low. These people oftentimes go through they're not hungry. Right? You know, you see a lot of women, they're never hungry. They barely eat. And they'll even tell you I barely eat, right? They don't they don't struggle with cravings typically, you know, but they get skinny fat. So they don't like their but they're fizzy. Here's my puppy. We love dogs in the podcast. We love dogs. We love dogs. I can pick this guy. This one should join the podcast. Oh, my God, with the little Mohawk. Now you have to see us to stay in the podcast. That's it. I will keep him here. He's a little lion. Anyway, so you're going to block the little lion. Okay, anyways, so people are stuck as sugar burners. And then here, two things happens. Either you use muscle for energy, as I just explained. And typically, you're not hungry, right? But you don't like the way you look. Or your body breaks every diet because you have cravings, you can't resist. Why? Because your body is in a survival mode saying, Hey, listen, I'm not going to use my muscle, but I'm going to give you a craving. You can't resist. And you just so I always say that failure is not your fault. It's survival, man. It's like so what the key then is becoming metabolically flexible, where you have to get your mitochondria using fat when you're not eating. How do we do that? I call it mitochondrial fitness, right? Where we force the buy first of all, you have to be detoxing at the cell level, first and foremost, get rid of the cause. Then we take the the mitochondria through some fitness in that we go into keto diets. And the average person takes a week or two to keto adapt, meaning use fat for energy. Typically toxic people don't do that. And after a few weeks, we have to pull them out of the keto diet, go back into a higher healthy carbohydrate diet, a month or two later, go back into a keto diet. So we're kind of doing this fitness thing. And then fasting strategies where we don't just necessarily do a water fast at first, but maybe we do a partial fast, forcing the mitochondria to start functioning. Yeah, to start functioning. Anyway, so there's strategies in my diet variation, feast, famine, cycling that work. You know, one of the things that I interviewed a scientist named Karen Verde some years ago. And she was one of the first, I don't know if she was the first, but that did a study on alternate day fasting is being more effective for weight loss resistance than any other diet. It was they compared it to one day on one day off. Yeah, they compared to paleo, they compared to low carb, they compared all these different diets, right? And, and she showed that a day of fasting, okay, and then a day of normal eating day of fasting, normally it worked better than anything. I said, Karen, why is that? She said, well, it's because it forces the body to adapt and it does that via hormone optimization. And that's why it worked better than any other diet. And that's really one of the starts that I realized that feast, famine, cycling actually works better. So I have what I call my 511, where if you're going to intermittent fast for five days, you better add at least one feast day in. And you better add, you could add one fast day in as well, 511, mix it up. But most women do better with like three, two, two, where they have two feast days a week, maybe even three, depending on where you are in age, man, pause, men, pause in your cycle. Absolutely. So many women I find, especially hormonal thyroid, paramount, a pause, do more better with more feast days, you can still have a day where you eat one meal, you can still have a day where you intermittent fast, you could have two or three days, but you better pay attention to those feast days. And what is a feast day? Because I'm always, yeah, let's also talk about that because it's not burgers and fries. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, don't go and eat burgers, you know, and God forbid French fries, but it depends on the burger. I guess anyway, but it's eat oil free. Yeah, exactly. But okay, a feast day could be more meals, if you're an intermittent faster. So that could be eating three or four meals that day. And I know it's hard because you wake up, you're not hungry. So maybe it's just a good healthy protein, you know, source, something like that. But you would eat more meals. Another feast could be eating higher protein. Maybe it's one gram of protein per pound of lean body mass. So on average, because people always ask me that number to try to get 100 grams of protein on a feast day. Okay, especially if you're a woman, 100. Can you do that through like a smoothie in the morning through eating eggs and things like that? Absolutely. Yeah. And you might need a protein. So I find that most women in particular need a protein source. Yeah, exactly. I start my day with a protein smoothie because it starts to me up with 45 grams of proteins or like, Okay, at least I'm starting the day right. If you're trying to get 100 or so 100, 120, it's like, you know, you need that 45. You may even like, I'm my wife, right? She's she's through menopause. But you know, I'm telling her the order you get the more protein off. You're gonna need special as a woman, right? And then so it could be high protein. On those days, it could be more meals. It could be higher calories, right? It could be higher fat, which would be high colors. Yeah. And it could be high carb if you're low carb. So that's what you know, a feast day would be, you know, I'm going to eat high carb, it could be fruit smoothies, it could be potatoes that day, it could be rice if you love it, if you do okay with those. Right. High carb will also remind the body it's not starving because if you're low carb too long, eventually the body goes, I'm going to hold on to your fat. Yeah, because I don't know how to function otherwise. That's right. And it's the number one thing it wants to do is survive. That's what it wants to do. So you're never going to beat that. So it'll say I'm going to hold your fat. And then you got to get again, that like fatty, you know, look, you know, and you're wondering what's going on. It's holding its fat. It'll even put water in fat cells to not burn them. And then you get dumped dimply. Right. And that's happens to a lot of women when we have cellulite. That's right. It's the toxins are not moving out, you're chronically inflamed. And it's not like you're, it's your skin, it's what's inside the cells, which is causing that appearance. So you can break through that by feasting. So I find that women more than men, we have to feed them up, you know, we have to give them more protein, we have to give them more feast days, maybe it's three feast days a week, where they have to consciously be like these days, I'm going to eat feast, you know, higher protein, whatever it is. I know a little bit earlier, we talked again about cellulite, your dirt detoxing. So for anybody listening to this, Dr. Pompa, what are some easier tips if there are, they're like, okay, we want to sign up for Dr. Pompa's program, but things that we could do at home in the meantime, what are places that they can start to detoxify and feed their cells, the good stuff? Well, one thing is, is that you, your cell memories, you mentioned earlier that phosphatidylcholine, I said, oh, I love phosphatidylcholine. It's mostly an omega six fat, people run from omega six, but no, omega six, bad omega six, adulterated, rancid omega six is so dangerous. That's why it has a bad rap. And a lot of people eat too much of it. But fact is, is it is the key fat in the cell membrane. Phosphatidylcholine is critical. So your cells have this bilayer of fat around them. This is where your hormone receptors are. Okay, so a lot of people are thinking that they're just hormone deficient when they're really hormone resistant. So the membrane is where those receptors are where you're, I'll use thyroid as an example, your thyroid hormone has to connect to that receptor on the cell, get in the cell, and you have energy. Your brain works, you stay lean, your mitochondria makes energy, all that because thyroid was able to get in the cell. But what if something's blocking it from getting in on that receptor? It's like your cell phone tower. If it can connect to that tower, it works. If it does, that cement wall there probably looks like cell phones wouldn't work in this room very well. This cement keeps it from that tower. It doesn't matter if you have a $1,500 cell phone, right? Okay, so the hormone has to connect to the tower, get into the cell, magic happens. But resistance means that something drives cellular inflammation. We already talked about toxins, but these bad fats are driving this inflammation. Get rid of the vegetable oil, the canola oil, all these rancid omega six, phosphatidylcholine is something that people could start taking that you took and body bio. Yeah, I've seen you mentioned body bio. They make the most stable because you have to be careful with fast. Phosphatidylcholine, it's very sick and challenged people a teaspoon to a tablespoon a day. We have them take why? Because it is the membrane is the perfect food for that membrane. Get rid of the bad ones, get rid of your vegetable oils, your canola oils, bring in the PC oils, bring in the healthy, good, unadulterated. Well, see, I'm not a fan of fish oil. A lot of fish in fish. It's rancid. Exactly. So I love fish oil and fish. I love vegetable oil and vegetables, but not in that form. Exactly. People don't realize fish oil has five to six double bonds. Okay, double bond, the more double bonds, the more heat sensitive it is, the more fragile it is. seed oils, which a lot of people are understanding now are very sensitive to heat, which they are, have two to three double bonds. Okay, so you can see the fish oil is way more, say, mono unsaturated fat, meaning avocado oil, olive oil, they have one double bond. Hence the word mono, not poly saturated. They're, they can handle heat a little bit better. Yeah, saturated fats, tallow, butter, right. They handle heat much better. That's why we cook with them. Saturated. Exactly. So a little less on fats, but point is though, is even these saturated fats like tallow, like ghee, some of the, they actually cholesterol and saturated fat, not your audience, but many people would say, if you said, what are the two most dangerous fats, they would say cholesterol and saturated fat. I argue that they are the cement of that cell membrane. Yes. So omega six, hugely important, unadulterated six, very important for that cell membrane. That's why the, the adulterated ones are so dangerous, but the saturated fats and cholesterol stabilize that memory. Absolutely. I wanted to leave my audience, Dr. Pompa, with three easy digestible hacks for people that are, you're non-negotiables, you're personal, everyday, weekly, non-negotiables. First of all, drink clean water. If you look at the amount of drugs in the water, you know, you are drinking your neighbor's estrogen, progesterone, or whatever drug they're taking, psychotropic drugs that you may not want. It is not getting filtered out in regular filtration systems in city water. Okay, let's be clear. So you need, I like RO because it takes the drugs out. It takes fluoride out. It takes a lot of these chemicals out. RO has a little acidity taste, you know, one that adds some minerals back in tastes better. I don't think you have to get minerals from water, but you definitely don't want a depleted water to taste bad. But I get a system, you know, it please, you know, an RO system, you can get them for, you know, three, four, $500. It's not an excuse to it. You know, that is a non-negotiable. I think today, I think a non-negotiable is I know everyone can't afford organic. I wish I could make that a non-negotiable, but I will, you know, people will get mad at me, but at least eat from the clean 15 and avoid the dirty dozen. If you can't afford, you know, I think that today it should be a non-negotiable. For sure. We need to do that. I think a non-negotiable, I'll focus in on one thing. I think everyone should wash their clothes in healthy detergent because here's why they all have fragrances in it because somehow clean means fragrance. I disagree with that. Your sheets, your clothes, you wash your clothes in these detergents that have all these chemicals and fragrance. The problem is this, it's on your skin all day long and we put hormones in our skin transdermally. They're going right into your bloodstream all day long and then you sleep in the same sheets. All that, a non-negotiable change your detergent. Wash your dishes in a healthy, correct. So those are two, your clothes, you know, so those are non-negotiables. Do that. Thank you, Dr. Mamba. I love speaking to you and, you know, I've been following you online for so long. So it was just such a pleasure to be able to sit down with you, bring you to my community and really get to pick your brain for 90 minutes and hear your backstory in a little bit more detail. Well, thank you for having me. I can't wait to have you on my podcast because you've done so much for people and you really have. Well, it's platforms like yours that have inspired me to go in and look at into women's health and what's triggering infertility and other things and what's really going on with us. So thank you again. 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