Week 17 Recap: Purdy-Caleb Magic, Maye MVP Hype, Classic Steelers L, Playoff Murderers, and Fish Brosmer

the ringer fantasy football show. My name is Dana Hypnix and I'm joined by Danny, Kelly and Craig Grobeck and we are all the games from week 17, AK the fantasy football finals. We have a lot going on. We have an awesome Bears 49ers game. We have, you know, the Giants kind of blew it again. And then DK is never going to forgive Derek Henry, literally ever. Will you, DK? I will not ever again. No, actually, I will never forgive the Packers defense in particular. Whole day. You're Christmas. I hate the fantasy coal in your stocking. Playoff scenarios. The C the teams making the playoffs. The spots are actually mostly filled. So we have the divisions here. The Eagles won the NFC East. I think they're the first repeat winner for the NFC since 20 years. The Bears have won the NFC North. All these clinch, all these division clinches happened from other teams winning was kind of anticlimactic for the divisions themselves. So the NFC West, because the Niners beat the Bears, the Seahawks Niners game next week is kind of just like a division title game, which is pretty cool for the NFC West. One seed is involved there, too. And then the NFC South, Panthers, Bucks kind of mostly is for the division, depending on how the Falcons Rams game goes. AFC Patriots won the AFC East. The Broncos won the AFC West. AFC South is Jackson. The Jaguars are probably going to win unless they the Jaguars lose and the Texans win, which gets the Texans win. And then there's the AFC North, where, you know, Craig Steeler for Avons for the for the division week 18 wouldn't have it any other way. That's right. I knew it was going to come down to this. I've been predicting this all season. I didn't know it was going to be this way we got there. But that's what's fun about the Steelers. They keep things interesting. I feel like I'm in a horror film and I final destination. I think I finally thought I was safe and that was naive of me. And I realized that I closed the door and the the slasher was standing right behind me the whole time. And it was the Cleveland Browns. So we're back. Shadour, ain't hard to find. OK, we're going to go over all those games and more. But first we're going to take a quick break. And then there's going to be like fish, Brosmer, fish. The band is here. Yeah, we don't really know what they do or what their dealers are. How long they play, you don't know what the vibe is really. Yeah, so stick around. All right. We've got a great show. Fish, Brosmer on the trumpet coming up. This episode is presented by Chime Bank Smarter this season. Fantasy football is all about strategy. Well, here's a winning strategy for your money. Trade banking fees for fee free banking, 1.5 percent cash back getting paid when you say in a higher APY and your savings, that's a lineup that wins. Stop banking the old way. Bank Smarter through Chime. Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services and the Secured Chime Visa Credit Card provided by the Bank Corp Bank, NA or Stride Bank, NA. Members, FDIC, optional services and products may have fees or charges. Details at chime.com slash fees info with a qualifying direct deposit earn 1.5 percent cash back on eligible Secured Chime Visa Credit Card purchases. APY means annual percentage yield is learnmore at chime.com. All right, we're going to get into all the games from week 17, but we have to start with sonnet of football. The Niners just beat the Bears 42 to 38. There's a lot to get into, but we have to start with the quarterbacks. I mean, Brock Purdy, Caleb Williams, DK. I think that was one of the better games both of them have ever played. Yeah, I mean, I think certainly for Caleb, that was one of the high marks. I mean, he made some incredible, incredible plays. A couple of ludicrous throws for touchdowns. And I think Brock Purdy just cemented himself as the sneakiest little shit in all the land, just absolutely. I mean, some of the plays he pulls out of his ass are just electric. It's crazy. I don't know. I don't know how he does it. There was one play in particular where he alluded like three or four defenders step back and then right before stepping over the line of scrimmage through a touchdown to Kyle Eushel. Very Mahomesian. Yeah, it was like, God, dude, like I can't imagine a more frustrating play as a defender like that. That was the pinnacle of frustration for for any defense of all time. So, you know, very, very impressed, obviously, with Purdy. He was awesome. And then Caleb, I thought was was really good as well. And I know Craig was talking about kind of the relationship between Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams and what we're going to get over the next few years. And that was just exciting to think about as well. Yeah, it's just I feel like things are aside from the Bears record, which is really good and they've done so well in close games. Like, I just think things have gone really well already between Caleb and Ben Johnson. And it took like a month. And I remember we argued like every week for a month about what if Caleb was good or not. And then we eventually all decided like, let's just give it like eight, nine weeks. And then we'll figure it out and then we'll revisit it. And I just think like Caleb is going to be fucking awesome. And he is already doing stuff that is so, so impressive that like five quarterbacks in the league can do like to me with with what clearly Ben Johnson is a good coach and is a guru as a play caller. And all of the like his method with Caleb in the offseason, like I'm just going to throw everything at him. He would like Collins was talking about how over the summer he would like call plays really quickly. And then Caleb would ask for him to repeat the play and Ben Johnson would not repeat the play. So Caleb would just have to like figure it out on his own. And they kind of threw everything at him. And then over time he would eventually pick it up. I don't know. To me, this seems like we're headed down a road here with Chicago where it's like what Detroit was the last two years, but instead of Jared Goff, it's like closer to Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes on the team. And if that is what the Bears are going to be over the next two or three years, like I think they're going to see. I mean, yeah, I was going to say the legit range of outcomes, like realistic range of outcomes is you start to see Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson have the type of relationship you've seen from like some of the all time best pairings of coach and quarterback. And that's this is exactly why it's so, so important to pair your young quarterback with an offensive guru as head coach, not just OC, because they could be together for the long run here. They could be like reading Mahomes. I mean, not obviously not Super Bowls, but like in terms of just play calling and making it work together. And like to me, Caleb has no limitations. I mean, certainly physically. And like that's what's so crazy is like, you know, I have these times a lot of these guru play callers like Kyle Shanahan has to make it work with Jimmy Garoppolo, Brock Purdy, who's really good. But like when you can actually get that type, that, you know, STR play caller with the STR physical talent and you can like break him in and make it work and Caleb is working with Ben Johnson. Like to me, it does seem like what we've already seen out of that Detroit offense that seemed unstoppable with Goff who can't move. I'm like, what if instead of Goff, it's Aaron Rodgers? And what can that offense look like? So I do think the sky is the limit. And this is just the beginning for Chicago. And I was incredibly impressed with what Caleb did tonight. Yeah, I mean, I still feel like Caleb Williams. I don't think the Aaron Rodgers things hyperbole. Like if you go and watch it 2008, 2009 or Aaron Rodgers, it looked like Caleb Williams did tonight. I mean, the crazy casual, the way he just he kind of just flicked it past to Luther Burton for the first touchdown, the bear, I guess second because they had to pick six of Purdy to start the game, which is incredible. Really kept the minute. But then he had a free play, kind of like Aaron Rodgers did, where he got the free play offsides and then just threw a just a beautiful pass to call us a leveling over the middle. And then honestly, the best play, the best throw I thought Caleb had all night was he just had this laser to Colston. Lovely, yes, in the fourth quarter that I don't know if the thing ever was higher than like eight feet off the flamethrower. Yeah, for like 30 yards. That was amazing. But overall, I mean, that is what Aaron Rodgers looks like sometimes. And I know that people say it's hyperbole, but Caleb based his game on Aaron Rodgers like we were at the combine. We were at Caleb Williams press conference at the combine. And they was like, hey, how do you feel about being a smaller quarterback? And he scoffed and he was like, I'm Aaron Rodgers, his size. He and you watch it tonight. But I mean, this game was overall this game was pretty crazy. So this was so again, the bears lost. But because of a play Caleb couldn't make at the end of the game, which I mean, the play kind of broke down pretty quickly. There was a lot going on there. But we could get to the clock management there at the end. But this game overall, only game since 1970, we're both teams scored 21 points in the first 18 minutes of the game. And then kind of ideal football for me. That is actually what I was. I mean, these defenses suck. We can't state it enough. I mean, this was also Ben Johnson and Kyle Shanahan who were in the S tier play calling right now along with Josh McDaniels and Sean McVay. These are the best of the best play callers just shredding two defenses that they're frankly are just down to the dregs. I mean, the bears have very little in the front seven at this point between the linebackers. They didn't have a great deal on to start. And then the Niners obviously are down between free agency and injuries, like 10 of the 15 people they'd prefer to have on the field. And you saw that today of just like the microscopes. There's six or there's like six players in each defense that we're getting targeted tonight. But the result was the Niners are the most yards for the team in a first half since 1998 for the Niners. Christian McCaffrey, the second most yards in the first half of his career. And then Mike Tarrico, this was an eyeopening stat. Sometimes these stats, they pull out are stupid. Mike Tarrico said this was the first regular season game ever on record where the game was tied at 7, 14, 21, 28 and 35, which sums it up to be totally honest. Like basically like a simulation. Yeah, it did feel like a simulation. Simulating a Madden game. Yeah. But, D.K., I think that Kayla Williams, we can't say enough about him, but we have to talk about Brock Purdy. The Niners won this game. And the truth is without the pick six that Purdy had at the beginning, which I don't think was entirely really on him. I mean, Purdy played unbelievable from 10 seconds into the game on. Yeah, he was incredible. I was I was extremely, extremely impressed with Purdy. I mean, I've said it for a really long time, like the sneaky little shit stuff. There was a play early in the game where it was both Purdy being very explosively fast. And somebody pointed this out on my on my Twitter feed today that Purdy's like ten yard split was one of the height, like one of the fastest ten yard splits of any quarter. It was like one tenth of a second or one hundredth of a second off of Lamar's. Like he's he is a he is a sneaky little shit. I don't believe you. You will never. He's like a little poodle. You know, they're fast. They're just poodles. But there was when he scored his first rushing touchdown, I think it was like in the first or second quarter. He would he like booted out to the side. He was like eight or nine yards behind the line of scrimmage. And there was nobody open. And I think every single member of the Bears defense knew he was going to run it in and then he just ran it in and like none of them touched him. I was like, campers. It's the most ridiculous thing. When I was I've been thinking about this this week and this game, I think was confirmation of that, that like it really kind of feels like the Rams and Seahawks have been this is like a knives out movie. The Rams and Seahawks have been like the red herrings of the movie that we're watching this season, the 2025 season, and the actual killers are the fucking 49ers. Like they have legitimately the best one of the best in the church of like the guy holding 100 percent behind one guy's hands. Actually the guy in the balcony. Yeah. For the first like whatever we talked about the Rams and Seahawks, Rams and Seahawks, blah, blah, blah. And now I'm like, man, the 49ers terrifying me. And guess what? The Seahawks play the 49ers next week. And the winner is the NFC West champion and the number one seed in the NFC. It's crazy. There's gonna be three do or like do or die like games like that next week. Dude, Purdy, I want to just give him my my Oppenheimer award of the week. I'm going to give it to Purdy. Purdy has had 10 touchdowns in his last two games. And he is one of the most important players in the fantasy playoffs this year. For a total league winner. And it's gone so under the radar. I think the Niners in general are just like have just kind of been coasting like you said behind Seattle and LA where no one's really discussing them. And you like look up and they're 12 and four and like, man, the Niners don't even have a good roster. They're so beat up. I can't believe they're 12 and four, but Purdy is kind of the same way where Mac Jones played seven or eight games this year. And then Purdy, since he's been healthy, he's been really good. But specifically the fantasy playoffs. He has the QB two over the last three weeks, putting up 26, 30 and 37. He's only behind Trevor Roach, averaging 30 points a game in the fantasy playoffs. Just and it looks easy. It's like it's that groove Niners offense where like it's just guys open over the middle of the field, Joann Jenner. Dude, it dig routes over the middle, like over and over. Every time, every time Purdy drops back, I'm just like, 20 yards over the middle. Like for real. And Kittle didn't even play tonight. The combination of the Shanahan play. Jake Tonjes. Come on. What are we doing? The idea that George Kittle can just be her. And that's the I agree with everything you guys are saying. Starting with the Niners, I think the Niners at this point are like when when bacteria becomes resistant to antibiotics, you know what I mean? It's like, you don't finish your antibiotics. The ones left multiply and they're just like unkillable. George Kittle's out. I'm like, oh, man, Jake Tonjes, I feel fine with Jake Tonjes. He can move Christian McCaffrey comes out for playing like Ryan Robison. It's great. Brock Purdy gets hurt. I'm like, I actually think Mac Jones can beat anyone. You know what I mean? It's like tonight just Brandon Euk never comes out, never comes back. The whole season doesn't matter. Like the amount of the D-Bowsegno trade, it doesn't matter. The amount of things the Niners have overcame. Trent Williams, either the guy who came in to back up for Trent Williams tonight was he was fine, which is usually to kill a seal for the Niners team. The amount of players are unkillable. They're unkillable. The defense again, the defense, I do think that this is the flaw. I will say, though, to the point one, I didn't believe you, D.K. I thought that was total bullshit. So Lamar didn't run the at the combine because people Bill Pulley wanted him to be a running back or receiver or whatever. But oh, yeah, the two time MVP. Yeah, yeah, him. OK. The thing you're thinking of, though, is that Brock Purdy said, I don't know, maybe that takes aging well now. The thing last year, Brock Purdy said, I think my ten yard splits faster than Christian McCaffrey and D. Bo Samuels. You guys can fact check me. And we thought he was joking. And then it's true. His Brock Purdy's ten yard split was faster than Christian McCaffrey's. Sneaky, sneaky little. Every time I hear that, I'm like, that's not possible. But you're right about the athleticism. But to your point, Craig said something I don't remember when a week or two ago about the quality of this coach of the year race, which is an award that I usually don't care about. It's a stupid award. I don't think the award itself matters, but I think that you're right, Craig, that I'm going to pull it up. I think it just. Well, it just speaks to me that I could make a case. I think for six different coaches as coach of the year, because obviously Mike Raybould, if the Patriots get the one seed, Ben Johnson. I mean, I know the Bears lost tonight, but I mean, Ben Johnson, the job he's done with Caleb Williams, this overall team, the defense. I mean, leading league in turnovers, the running game, Liam Cohen, if the Jaguars get the one seed, the Jaguar, but the other. But that's the thing that's the traditional, the new coach. I could make a very convincing case that Kyle Sheehan and should be the coach of the year. Yeah, because the fact that the Niners are even in play to be the number one seed in the conference and not play. You guys pointed out to me before the show, the Niners might not play a road game the rest of the way. Super Bowls and San Clara Super Bowls at home. And the fact that the Niners lost basically six weeks of Brock party, six weeks of George Kittle, they lost months and months of their best players, the only the healthiest player on the side, Fred Warner, Nick Bosa, ACL after the season, Fred Warner, inside linebacker out for the year. Like that's a top five defensive end in the NFL. Fred Warner is probably the best inside linebacker in the NFL. They lost five other defenders, defensive starters in free agency. And then Trent Williams has been playing but hurt. And then Kittle, Debo, Ayuk never even plays. And Mac Jones plays and beats the Rams on Thursday in football. In any other year where it wasn't normal to look at great coaches and be like, well, we don't care. The job that Kyle Shanahan has done, this is probably the best coaching of his entire career. Well, he's currently the favorite to win. But yeah, it's it's Shanahan. And he is right now. Oh, it's Shanahan. I mean, all these guys, Shanahan, Vrable, Mike McDonald has the third best odds in Seattle, Liam Cohen and Ben Johnson. All five of those guys are incredibly deserving. Yeah, it's truly just been a. It's been a really cool season. They're all there. Yeah. Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin's right there. Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin has the 10th best odds, which is stupid. That's that's pretty great. Anything else on this on this game? You think Robert's all is going to get another head coaching job next year? No. Well, I don't think this was his finest work. I think he's done it. Not tonight, but I think he's done a great job this year with what he's had. The Niners defensive line coach is incredible. And those they are become a factory of just former the athletic guys that no one else can get to go. And I feel like he's a couple of years. I don't know if he can just jump back in. You need to wait for like several of his children to get out of the house and, you know, graduate high school and whatnot. Vika insists that there's too many children. He has too many kids to be a head coach. I still maintain that if you look at Robert Salah and him getting fired from the Jets, I still think he was shived. And I still look at him as Roger's Taurus Achilles four snaps into that jet season, and the defense was so good. And Robert Salah's defensive coach that they went seven and nine. And I think that's underrated. Like the Jets would be better than the Steelers were this year. If Rogers had played for the Jets that season. And then the next year, Salah gets fired. His defense had allowed three touchdowns in the previous three weeks. Rogers throws a pick six that embarrasses the Jets owner in his London in his London game because he was the ambassador. So Salah gets fired. I'm like, they allowed one touchdown in the game. I still think Salah got a raw deal and with all that. And I think no offense to Aaron Glenn, but I don't think anything happening with the Jets this season suggests that Robert Salah was getting less out of that unit. So with that said, we can get it a winner's losers from the day, although I kind of think Purdy and Caleb are right there with anyone. So DK, otherwise, who else do you think is a big winner from Week 17? I feel like we need to acknowledge the Jags right now. We need to talk about the Jags because every week we like is our like fiscal responsibility to be like we it's our fiduciary duty to be like we must once again acknowledge that the Jaguars won in our good team. Well, here's here's how I will put it. The old Jags would have lost today. They would have lost this game because they were coming off a big statement, went over the Broncos last week. Everybody's starting to buy in. Everybody's starting to believe. And then the old Jags, the Jags that we've known and loved for a while now would have completely fucking like tripped on their dicks and lost this game. But they didn't do it. They won. They beat the Colts. I mean, division games are always hard. Division these division teams know each other. Obviously, Phillip Rivers is like this big story. I'm sure Jags fans were just pissed listening to all the Phillip Rivers, just like, you know, waxing poetic about what Phillip Rivers on the broadcast. But I mean, they won this game. They improved to 12 and four. The last time the Jags won 12 games in a season was 2005. The the the most they've ever won is 14 games. And that was, I believe, in like two. It was before that 2002 or something like that. So this is like one of the best Jags teams we've ever seen. And I think we just I mean, obviously it's this was like not a statement when or anything like that, they beat Phil Rivers and the Colts. But again, I think they're just starting to establish and help me believe that they are the real deal this year. And I love Liam Cohen. I think he's a great job. All of these records feel wrong. Like, I don't know what I just look at the standing. I'm like, the Jack O'Riots are 12 and four. That doesn't feel right. Even like I'm like, the Chargers are 11 and five. That doesn't feel the Chargers have 11 wins. Like the Texans are 11 and five. That doesn't feel right. None of these feel right. Who are you people? That's how I what happens in the season. Seahawks are 13 and three. I know the Seahawks having 13 wins does not feel real. It's like great inflation. You're looking around and you're like, what is going on? I totally honestly, I've I've correct. Which records looks the most wrong to you? Because I think it's the Chargers. The Chargers are the they have to be the first team to use seven left tackles and win 11 Chargers at 11 and five looks weird. Dude, Jacksonville being 12 and four right now is fucking bizarre. Yes. It's very weird. I think it's just because we're not used to it. And I obviously Trevor, Trevor Lawrence having taken this leap that this year that I think we kind of stopped believing that it was ever coming just because it was like there was a million excuses for him over the years and a lot of that had to do with the coaching and the situation that he was in. He just kept making turnovers and all this stuff. But I mean, he is, I think made a real leap this season with with Liam Cohen. Their offense is really clicking. I think him embracing and leaning into his running ability is his overall athleticism. I mean, it's like Brock pretty. He is turning into the sneaky little shit that can score running rushing touchdowns. It's not so sneaky. He's six foot six. He's like a gazelle out there, sure. But like I looked this up today. I didn't I couldn't quite I didn't quite realize it. But he is third in the NFL in total touchdowns in terms of rushing and passing. Trevor Lawrence is he has 35 passing and rushing touchdowns. The only guys ahead of him right now are Matt Stafford and Josh Allen. You know, like two future Hall of Famers. So, you know, I this breakout for him, I think is real and and repeatable. It doesn't feel fake. I think this is the same vein of what we're talking about with, you know, the Caleb and Ben Johnson relationship. Like this could be the beginning of an extremely extremely productive relationship for a very long time with Liam Cohen, Trevor Lawrence. They're getting the most out of each other. And it's just really fun to watch. I think you're seeing this in some ways, almost the exact same thing in Jacksonville and in Chicago and to an extent in New England, where you have a former number one pick between Trevor Lawrence and Caleb Williams, who really, really, really struggled with a really, really bad coaching staff, like like really overmatched and frankly, bears, Jaguars, incompetent organizations, the Jaguars have been a bum. The dyslexia. The bum. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we'll talk about it. What stage is the worst? Yeah. But the bumbling clown show that has been the Jaguars and then the bears, who again haven't had a good quarterback for 80 years. And if you look, I think that what happened with Caleb and Trevor Lawrence is they got fresh starts without having to leave. But don't forget Liam Cohen turned down the Jaguars job because they would not fire the GM Trampolky. And then Jaguars were like, fine, we'll fire Trampolky. They cleaned house so Liam Cohen could, Liam Cohen could come in. And I think what you're seeing between Liam Cohen and Jacksonville and Ben Johnson in Chicago is what happens when I think both guys are kind of holding them to account in different ways. I think Ben Johnson is holding Caleb to account in terms of the fact that he started with the pump, no palms up, like your body language, all this stuff matters. But then the Jaguars, they both really are just doing under center running games. Like they need to run the ball. It's the same thing with Liam Cohen and Vive Baker. Bucks went from the last of the rushing yards to like first two years in a row. And so you're seeing what happens when you actually pair these really talented, as Greg was saying, number one overall picks with a real running game and actual modern passing games. And like, voila, it's not that complicated. It does make everything easier. And you look at the Lions and Jared Goff, another number one pick loses. Ben Johnson loses the offensive line, loses the running game, falls back to Earth Baker, the Bucks offensive line gets hurt. Number one pick falls back to Earth because when the offensive line can block, when the running game is there, when the play action, everything suddenly looks a lot easier and then when the lines get hurt, then it's kind of a mess all of a sudden, but it's been, yeah, it's been a really cool year. Being a good team is very hard because you need a good offensive line, a good quarterback and a great coach. And it's like, it's hard to get all three of those things. That's why. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's shockingly difficult to have all those things at the same time. It's like, frigging the stars aligning. The other thing I want to point out today, Parker Washington was awesome. I don't have any like big takeaways from this, but he had just like another awesome game, Parker Washington, who was like the wide receiver, four or five coming into the season, they made this huge trade up to go get Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter gets hurt halfway through the year. And then that allows Parker Washington to kind of like showcase his talent. He's turned into like a really big time playmaker for them. Like one of the most trusted players in their offense. Who do you think is the most like likable newcomer team this year that like kind of broke through? Like I think we have New England, you have Jacksonville, you have Denver, you have Chicago. Which one do you think is like the Colts in the first half of the season? We're definitely that. Do you think there's one that's like, this is the team that people are going to rally behind and that it's very likable? Like America's team, the next America's team. You know, and it's like everybody wants the bills to win because everybody likes the bills. Like who do you think is the new team right now that everybody kind of likes? Who do you like? Funny thing is, I don't think I like any of them. Like in terms of, you know what I mean? I'm not like drawn to any of them strong. Think it's like, fuck these. No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying I dis I don't dislike any of these teams, but I don't think I'm, you know what I mean? Because like in the old couple of years back, think about like the Lions where the Lions came out of nowhere and all of a sudden were really, really good. They kept finding a talented player was super likable. The head coach was super likable. I don't know if I feel the same way about any of these things. I guess I would lean Chicago just a little bit because I like, I like Ben Johnson and I like Caleb Williams, but like, I think that's about it. I don't know. I think Jacksonville is kind of likable. I think Trevor Lawrence and I think Cohen is kind of dorky and lovable. And his like post game speeches are very impassioned. And I think he's calling out Sean Payton for calling them a small market. And you have to factor in that much like Detroit where like in my entire lifetime basically, which like the idea of Detroit being good made no sense to me. And that's kind of the same with Jacksonville where like seeing Jacksonville good is so weird that I root for them because I'm like, Oh, wow, this is truly something I've never seen before. Yeah. I mean, the Jaguars are the worst team in the league. The last 10, 12 years along with the Giants, Jets and Panthers. I mean, the Jaguars didn't have the number one pick two years in a row. Yeah. I mean, I guess so. No, it's nice to see the Jaguars leaving the team. It's again, it is wild. The coaching class from this season is just it's generational. I know people say we use that to term too much. It was a generational head coaching class or carousel. Also worth noting that these people who were really good candidates sought out great quarterbacks. Mike Vrabel said I took the Patriots job for drink may. Yeah. Mike Vrabel is like, I don't really come back as I played here. I came for drink may. Liam Cohen sought out Trevor Lawrence and Ben Johnson sought out Caleb Williams. This is why I'm not worried about the Giants. I didn't get anyone like none of these guys wanted to go somewhere. There's no quarterback before we move on from Jags Colts. I just want to note the death of the Indianapolis Colts and they are eliminated from the playoffs. They started seven and one. Then went one and seven. And I want to just note this thing from the athletic who wrote that since the AFL to NFL merger in 1970, only five teams had won seven of their first eight games and missed the playoffs. The Colts have now become the sixth. They're like the anti Bengals where every year it's like the Bengals. You know, you know, it's ever started. Oh, and four made the playoffs. It's like that's the opposite of the Colts. Colts had 98 percent chance to make the playoffs. OK, so with that said, I think the loser of the day is the Giants. Ah, the toilet ball. I the Giants beat the shit out of the Raiders 34 to 10. They're so stupid. The Raiders are impossibly bad. Jesus. I don't want to complain about this too much, but it is the second year in a row. The Giants won a game in week 17 that cost themselves the number one pick in the draft. This happened twice in a row. So that's stupid. And they were turning. Stupid. Deontay Banks returned to kick for a touchdown today. I couldn't didn't think I could hate Deontay Banks more than I'm having. You give it. Give the context because he basically he was the first round pick and he's done the first round cornerback who, you know, coverage stats are. Flawed. But if you just sorted by anything on pro football focus, he was like one 10 out of one 10 for years. And then mixed with Terry McLauren on Washington, literally was like, yeah, he plays way off at the goal line. That's weird. You only need a yard. We just did that every time. And it's like when they're calling out a cornerback for a bad days, he's horrific. The point where they couldn't play him is the first round pick. So he put on special teams. He returns a kick for a touchdown. The only useful thing Deontay Banks has ever done for the Giants was in the game they needed to fucking lose, which is unbelievable. And Roger Sherman, our former colleague pointed out, the Giants have not returned a kick for a touchdown since last year's week 17 game that also cost them the number one pick. Fire your special teams coach. That was the Drillock game when Drillock was the best quarterback by QBR. Oh, yeah. You know, seven man, he had like six touchdowns or something. The Giants in week 17 with the number one pick on the line are unbeatable. Best team in the league. Well, who have the two of the Giants get next week? There's still a chance that they get the number one pick, right? It's a small chance, but they're playing Dallas. So whatever, man. Here's here's my question. This is a genuine question just for people that are rooting for teams to get the first pick and all that stuff. Like, do you not put any stock in the idea that vibes matter and like young young team kind of coalescing together or whatever and like having some better vibes going into the offseason instead of just being like the getting the shit kicked out of them ten this season. I remember one random week 17 win. I don't think that's no. The case and though like Dart was kind of feeling himself today. The examples, the Houston Texans who won that game. And I forget the coach who did it out of spite. Fuck you to cost the Texans the first pick up the second. They got CG Stratens that a brace young traded up. Got Will Anderson and now the Houston Texans might win the AFC South next week. And like that, there is a culture aspect to it. Having said that, I would rather lose and probably get the first pick and then trade down and get a future first in 2027 draft from a shitty team that would like that me and an amazing class. That would be nice. But yeah, it's not Jackson Dart looking great. It's cool. But also, all right, congrats. The Giants are now the eighth team that had their best game of the season against the Raiders. Like it doesn't mean anything. So it's not the best deal in the world. But get it. Whatever. I'm just looking for the silver lining for you. I guess where the toilet bowl hyphens would be happy right now because they would have won the first day. Yes, they should. That's how it should be. So with that said, well, no, Craig, your team. Yeah, so I will. They are a loser of the day. I also want to give them it's so over. Obviously last week. Sorry, the Pittsburgh Steelers, it is deeply over. I think. Why? What happened? This has been such a freaking roller coaster. I can't remember a bigger roller coaster. We are so back. That is how over it is. We are so over. That's how back we are. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. They lost to the Browns today. The Steelers are are. Such a confusing and interesting football team. And I have a couple of fun stats here that outline that. Wait, before you say that, can we just set the stakes that basically if the Steelers won today, they would just win the division. Period. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Be done. Now they got to play the Ravens next week. Winner wins the division and they're going to lose. The Ravens looked pretty terrifying. Yeah, Derek Henry had 230 yards and four touchdowns against fucking Green Bay. So, yeah, so the Steelers lost 13 to 6 to the Browns, to Shaddour Sanders and the Browns. The Steelers now are winless. And this is an insane stat. The Steelers are winless in their last five games versus teams that are eight plus games below 500. So two and 10 or four and 12. Yeah, here are the last five games. The Browns who were three and 12, they lost to the Patriots in 2020 who were two and 10. They lost to the two and 10 Cardinals that same year. They lost to the 0 and 8 Lions in 2021 and they lost to the two 10 and 1 Bengals in 2020. The Steelers are the ultimate, like, meet their opponent at their level team. They've now lost four games in a row in Cleveland. And the quarterbacks in those games that they were facing were Jacobi Bresset, Dorian Thompson, Robinson, James Winston and now Shaddour Sanders. Good Lord. One, I didn't know they kept track of the stat that you're talking about. Under eight games under 500. I didn't know that was even as good as Rogers looked last week in that great win. He pissed me off today because in every crucial moment, he was basically ignoring every Arthur Smith thing. And he's like, look, I call the plays in the final two minutes, which is fine. However, his fucking decisions, I understand that DK, Mac, Kevin, Calvin Austin are not in the game and that really hurt. The receivers were so fucking bad today and no one's open. But like Rogers is he can't move the ball in these important moments because he's like calling these shots and he's like throwing fades to MBS. The last three plays of the game were three targets to Marquez Valdez scantling. Those are the ones where they were trying to score to win the game. He threw three straight passes to Valdez scantling. And I know there's not a ton of other great options. Darnell Washington broke his arm. So he wasn't in there at the end of the game. But like Pat Fryer, we just move you down the field. John O'smith is there too. Like those are two good tight ends. And Rogers is just doing stuff. There was a fourth and two, a crucial fourth and two near the red zone. And Rogers throws a fucking deep ball to Scotty Miller. And I'm like, I don't care that it was one on one coverage, Rogers. It's fourth and two. Get the first down. This was this is the price I think of playing with Rogers is that when it comes down to it, he wants his guys. He can't play with young people because like did you see a week or two ago who's bragging about how oh, yeah, we're winning with a bunch of cast offs. He's no Adam Thielen was a cast off. Scotty Miller's a cast off. Marcus Veldescan is a cast off. And then today you're like, oh, yeah, they're just playing with a bunch of cast offs. Yeah. And when I look at when I look at the Steelers receiver room, this is this is. This is general management. Just like this is the worst thing I've ever seen. I wanted them to go get Jacobi Myers badly. There's so many receivers, you guys. Do you know how many receivers come out of college every single year? Hundreds. There's literally hundreds of receivers coming out of college. And the best that they can get are Adam Thielen, who is 35 years old. Marcus Veldescanling, who has never been good and is 31 years old. He those are the two top receivers that you have. How is this possible? I don't understand it. Obviously, I understand DK Mackev got suspended, but this is this is malpractice to have this receiver room for a professional football team when you have Aaron Rogers at quarterback. It's malpractice. Also factoring that the third round pick they took two years ago, Roman Wilson on a Michigan just doesn't play even today. These didn't play. This DK is what you always said about Bill Belichick. He's too old to meet new people. That's Aaron Rogers. I'm dead serious. He's too old. He won't work with new people. He'd rather work with Marcus Veldescanling, who when did they last play together, like five years ago? And then he'd rather do that than learn Roman Wilson's name. He's throwing fades to Veldescanling like he's Devonte Adams in the end zone. It is so. Famously not a catch point guy. So good. Veldescanling like he's banking on Veldescanling's hands. There are hundreds and hundreds of receivers in the NFL. This is this is the group that they could get together. But that's what it's football hubris. Rogers would rather do the fade to MBS than learn to play with someone new. So the Steelers are pro. I think they're going to lose to Baltimore next week. Because DK Mackev is not going to play in that in that game. He's still suspended. I don't know if Calvin Austin is going to play in that game. So I think they're going to lose to Baltimore. They're going to somehow still have a winning record and not make the playoffs. Are they going to score or are they going to score a touchdown because they didn't score a touchdown today versus the Browns. Also, we have we have to mention while we're shredding Rogers. I Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett said, quote, I mean, to an extent, I feel like they were more worried about keeping me away from Aaron than getting the win. I think that's what came back to bite of Miles Garrett, saying that the Steelers cared more about preventing Miles Garrett from getting the sack record than actually running the offense. It did actually watching the game. It kind of did feel like that. And Tomlin said after the game, very, very, very, very salty, all time, salty press conference for Mike Tomlin, where he basically was like, we treat Miles like we do every time. We treat with a lot of respect. Obviously, you do want to get the ball out of your Rogers hands. But I do think Aaron Rogers did really because again, Rogers. I think he kind of hates Brett Favre. And I think there's a lot going on there. And he's mirrored Brett Favre's career. Brett Favre was the guy who got sacked for Michael Strayon's single season sack record. I think Rogers didn't want to get sacked for Miles Garrett. I think he didn't want to do it. And I agree that not getting sacked is good. And it hurts. Painful, painful. I don't want to get a big Miles Garrett. That sounds terrible. I. Craig, I guess here's my question. Yeah. How many is this the worst regular season loss for Mike Tomlin ever? I just read you five over the last five years that were fucking terrible. I know this was to end the year. I know that they've done this a lot, but like we're all those games losing to a tube and tea like this was just the division's over. You can just end the division. It's a fair question. And I'd have to look into it. But yeah, it's certainly up there. I mean, I don't know. Last year, over the eight and two, and then he lost their last five straight. So I mean, this is a good team. So this should do a Sanders quite literally tried throwing them the game. Sure, Sanders had. I think one of the worst interceptions of the season. He threw. You ever played jackpot as a kid? Yeah. He's a kid. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. That is jackpots when you throw the ball up and you're like, I don't know. You make up points. Oh, are you talking about three flies up? Maybe the different name of the West Coast. Oh, no. When I when you said jackpot, I thought you're talking about that game you play on the TV with your friends. No, the one where you throw the ball in the air and then you're like mystery box or whatever. And then depending on. Oh, yeah, we called that three flies up. OK, we called that flyers up. Oh, that was the interception. Look at us growing up in different areas. I don't know. I can't remember. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. I mean, this is we're capping off the most quintessential Pittsburgh Steelers season every week. The narrative completely flips on if they're good or not. They still get a 500 record. And they miss the playoffs. And if they make the playoffs, they're going to get their fucking bell rung by whoever they play. So it's the new Jeff Fisher. Dude, it's just slightly. Dude, it's so you know, Jeff Fisher being famous growing eight and eight. Meanwhile, we just obsess over Tom and being nine and seven. You're like, it's the same fucking thing. Yeah. Tomlin's just Jeff Fisher with one extra win. As it is right now, if the Steelers make the playoffs, they're going to play Houston in Pittsburgh and Rogers against that defense sounds fucking terrifying. I we got wow. The Tomlin, you know, now that the Seed of Seed kind of fucked up when you say like that, the Jeff Fisher thing. It just is so we are the Steelers are just the weirdest team in the league. I also have to. I thought this quote was fake. It's real Denzel Ward, the quarterback for the Brown set. I don't know whose bright idea was to try me for the game on three plays in a row. It was Aaron Rodgers. He did his own research. Oh, my God. All right. With this game in mind. Also, I don't know if you saw that last play kind of game while wide open walk in touchdown right over the middle field. He was chipping the entire drive. I'm like, he's your best fucking receiver on the team. He was wide open. I don't know. I don't. I mean, honestly, I know. Donald Washington broke his arm and that probably affects the blocking and miles get whatever, man. I whatever. OK, well, but yes, it was going to play the Ravens. So speaking of the Ravens, I think the Oppenheimer award for player who went nuclear. I mean, my God. Holy dude, this was the most vintage performance. So the Ravens beat the Packers 41-24. I mean, Derek only had 45 points in fantasy. A career high, 36 carries for Derek Henry, 216 rushing yards and four touchdowns. The four touchdowns tied Derek Henry's career high. The seventh different 200 yard rushing game of Derek Henry's career, which is the most 200 rushing or performances ever for any running back. He's the first running back to have to to have a 200 yard game for two different teams. And then in this game, Derek Henry moved into 10th for most rushing yards ever and fourth for the most rushing touchdowns ever. And somehow with all that, the best part of the whole game was Matla Fleur said at halftime and afterward that we got big boy. This one, this I think this is worse than the Alvin Camara six touchdown game. Somehow this felt worse to me. I was at a holiday party last night watching this game Saturday night. I was surrounded by loved ones, surrounded by all my best friends. And I was in the worst mood. I was just being a little fucking grump in the corner. I was like pouting in the corner. You don't draw attention to yourself in that way at a party. It's not good. You're the guy in the meme. Yeah, I was like, dude, because I'm in three champs, I'm in three separate championships facing Derek Henry. I don't understand how that's possible because he was so like off and on the whole season. But like this was crushing me. This game was horrific. And I will never forgive the Packers for this. I officially fucking hate the Packers. I will never forgive you for not being able to stop the run whatsoever. The Vikings, you're off the hook. The Vikings were the team that gave up six touchdowns. I'll come out of that game on Christmas a couple of years ago. You're off the hook. My new shit list is the Packers defense. Fuck you. What did you think they were going to do, Green Bay? Yeah, what the fuck? It's Tyler Huntley and Derek Henry. It's cold out. What are you going to do? Like that fourth touchdown where he like ran it in from wherever like 40 yards. I was like, was that necessary? You didn't figure it out halfway through the game that this is what they're doing. He had three touchdowns in the first half. She has 80 yards and two touchdowns in the first two drives. I know. And now it's funny. The Ravens have had such an up and down year and Henry has had such an up and down year, mainly because it's been kind of tied to Lamar. But now Derek Henry, you look at his season. It's like he's the RB seven on the season he ran for. He's going to run for probably 1600 yards in like 18 touchdowns. So ridiculous. Bobby Mays posted this. He said, this was so funny. Mays posted, quote, in what has felt like a relatively quiet season for Derek Henry, he now has 1460 in Russian yards and 16 touchdowns. Yeah, what the hell? Which I thought was so funny. And also with all that he's third in the NFL in Russian yards. Has it ever felt like never? Not one. Well, last night it did. Third. Not at all. This week, Derek Henry had as many fantasy points, literally to the exact number as a Mon Ross, St. Brown, Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins, CD Lam, all first-hand receivers, by the way, Jamir Gibbs, Christian Watson, Ladd, Mckon, Ken Josh Jacobs, the exact same amount of points as the average over five yards he carry. What the fuck? And you know, it's going to be funny. Once again, I don't know what the fuck we're going to do next year. It's we're going to have the same conversation. Now, I already know. 32. No, no, no, no, it doesn't matter. He's he's clearly fine. Derek DK with all its 41 points. Lamar Jackson must have had a huge game. Oh, no, he didn't play. Martin even freaking play. Tyler Huntley went in there. I can't believe this. Make Tyler Huntley beat you. What are you doing? I know. I well, they did. Do you want to make? Do you want to let this future Hall of Fame running back? Derek Henry demoralized you. Big boy, you as Lufler said, Packers defense. They're down defensive tackles entering the game. They lost multiple defensive tackles during the game, which really hurt this. But overall, I mean, metal. I don't care. They got big. So I do want to give credit in this game. Derek Henry had 60 yards rushing versus the Bengals this year. Fancy is crazy. Fancy is fucking nuts. Why do we do this to ourselves? He had he had 60 yards in week 13. Derek Henry only had 60 rushing yards against the Bengals and week 12 he had 64 against the Jets. And he has two hundred and sixteen against Greenback. Fancy is insane. I we are Fancy's nuts. I ruined my night. You absolutely ruin this. The guy in that, you know, that meme standing in the corner to stick figures and he's like, no one knows that Derek Henry has 45 points of me and then no people to answer. Like, it's always fucking talking about it. It's like, why are you so morose? Oh, my God, dude. So I was playing. I was playing our old colleagues, Colin and Ryan O'Hanlon in a game and guess who they had. They had Derek Henry and this is in the finals. And they also had another player from this game that I think. Malik Willis Malik Willis backup quarterback. Malik Willis, who came in and dropped like 32 points on me. Absolutely ridiculous. This one I wasn't as wasn't as upset about Malik Willis. I think it actually might be good. Like, I'm very excited to see what happens with him this off season. I think he's going to be one of the more intriguing storylines. Um, OK, put the odds on it. Is he going to be a starter for a team next year? Is like a team going to put their money behind him and make him a starter? Or what do you think is going to happen with him? I don't think so. You don't think so? I think you will be signed to compete with someone for starting like a bridge type of quarterback. Yeah, I think that the Vikings with J.J. McCarthy, I think that like the Colts with Daniel Jones not being healthy. I think that honestly, the Arizona Cardinals or something. I think that I don't think someone's going to do what the jet that Justin feels this year, which was insane at the time. Hey, yeah, just be our starter. But I think the league will this is he's pretty good, man. I don't know how that keeps doing this, but I think I mean, Malik will us the thing about him. He's the fastest quarterback in the NFL, especially now that Lamar has hip, back, ankle, hamstring issues. Like, I think the league will us is clearly the fastest quarterback in the NFL. But he has a cannon for an arm. It was always whether he can process, you know, an NFL defense. And I think the league will us he's making pretty good decisions. I know it's not necessarily carving people up from the pocket, but I don't think he's a liability in the pocket. I mean, I don't think he's an above average quarterback right now. But yeah, I think it's so interesting. Here's the deal. So when you take him out of this ecosystem, what does he look like? Who knows? Well, we saw it. He was I mean, he was like the worst quarterback I've ever seen on Tennessee. Yes, right. But that was when he was like a rookie. Well, I'm just Derek Henry to leave to see to look good. I mean, it's like the story of the season. We're seeing all these quarterbacks get put in the right system with the right coaches and you can make it work. And it's like if Malik Willis goes to Minnesota, I would trust Kevin O'Connell to put him in a system that works for him. If he goes to the Jets, he'll be fucking terrible. I think Malik wills would be Justin Fields, Esk on the Jets. But also, I think Sean McVan can win 11. I will say that I will also go to the Raiders or something. And he'll be terrible. I think he's very clearly a more talented passer than Justin Fields has ever been. I think it's very, very clear that he's a more talented passer. His numbers, his numbers are ludicrous. Craig, the last two seasons. OK, in four starts this year, four appearances. I know, I know. He's 30 of 35 for 422 yards with three touchdowns. It's the luxury of coming in as the backup and getting to shred and then leaving. But Matt Flynn was like he was getting touchdowns on like screen passes and shit. Like this felt like legit. He was making real throws. I don't know. Just sort of throwing. I thought Malik Willis played really well. But I mean, you go back to last year, like he was really good to. But yeah, I mean, I don't know what's going to happen, obviously. Like I think it is going to be a huge risk if anyone does want to take a risk on him and pay him money. But Hyphens sent this text last night, like he made himself $20 million last night. I think that is true. I think you have to be careful when the backup comes in on a good team and in a good system and he's been there and he like knows how to operate. Right. There's like a package built for him and he's been like, great, I guess he can work anywhere now. Matt Jones to me is like a great example of like if Matt Jones goes to another system, like like the pendulum of what Matt Jones could be next year to me is like everything is on the table. Where if he went to Minnesota and competed with JJ McCarthy, he'd probably beat out JJ McCarthy. And yet if he went to the Jets, he'd be fucking awful. I think in a world where any adult makes four million, I would pay like 20 and see what the fuck happens. The delineation for me is Malik Willis has ludicrous tools, at least. Whereas those guys are like, you know, Matt Jones is never going to make a play like what Malik Willis made in that game. Can I give you an intrusive thought? Yeah, I think the cult should sign Malik Willis and run a two quarter back, backfield with Anthony Richardson. Thunder Laying and they could both show the ball and they should read options with each other with each other and that except they can both throw if they keep the ball. Or actually, no, they don't neither them throw. It's right. Exactly. Now they've been through. Can I take a wild guess about that league? DK, we have not talked about this. Did Ryan Ryan did his team squeak into the playoffs and then now make the finals? No, they were second the whole year. Because I we have to talk about this. I think a theme this season. This is anecdotal, but I have a high school league. It's the oldest league I've been in the guy who squeaked into the fucking finals. The two teams that squeaked in the finals made that made the championship. The ringer league, the two team Chris Ryan and Mal literally didn't make the playoffs. They will finish six and eight. They made the finals. I have another league. Jackie just won. She squeaked into the playoffs and then she just won the league. My only our championship was the 16 versus the seven seed. Because I think there's just a weird things where Josh Allen and Week 16 had like six points to Trey McBride at like five points. And then you have guys like Derek Henry and like Michael Wilson and Chase Brown, who kind of sucked for three months. And then guys who just been like juggernauts over the last five or six weeks. And frankly, team fantasy teams that were terrible in September and October are like kind of dominant right now. And it's very random. I'm willing to kind of just throw this season out. Why do we do this? Let's just put an asterisk on this whole thing. We'll just watch this one down the drain and not not think about it. There's nothing to learn. I we have to remember this for next year. We have to add this to it when we do Memento tattoos that I think the take purge we actually aren't wild enough because I think sometimes we need to take more inspiration that things if imagine if even in the take purge had been like I kind of like Michael Wilson is better than Marvin Harrison Jr. It was an insane take to have a year ago. And now it's like, well, yeah, obviously, yeah. Anyway, yeah, he is. OK, speaking of Oppenheimer, though, we have to mention Drake May. Yeah, Drake May, one of the best games I've ever seen in my life. Obviously, the huge caveat that it was against the Jets defense and the Jets have completely fucking give it up off topic, not top it, not off topic, but just sort of tangentially. I just the last few weeks, man, I just can't imagine what it's like to be a Jets fan. I just I just can't picture it. Highfits complains a lot about being a Giants fan. Being a Jets fan is just orders of magnitude worse than that. I don't I don't even understand what it's like. I need to talk to more Jets fans in my life. Let's talk to Sean. Let's talk to Frick and Roger Sherman, because, man, it is. For it's rough, like there's there's no hope there. Well, what do you do you watch the games anymore? Like, what's the point of this? I I think that this Jets performance replaced the Raiders Chiefs one where the chiefs had more points than the Raiders had like place. Yeah, I think this replaced that. That I mean, the Patriots beat the Jets. What was the final school like 42 to three or something? 42 to 14. Yeah, well, it was 42 to 10. Drake May got benched in the third quarter. It was 35 to three and a half time. I think the first half I've never said this about an NFL game. I think the first half of Patriots Jets looked like a walkthrough. It was it was ridiculous. I can't even believe it. Drake may miss two passes. He was 19 of 21 and he had five touchdowns. I think it was the first quarterback to ever like 90 percent completion with like 250 yards and five touchdowns. And I mean, he started the game nine for nine, so they were 21. I think I saw someone say he had the highest QBR of any quarterback since like 2002. I haven't I haven't I have an idea. Ridiculous. The MVP debate, because a lot of people were like, oh, great, the Jets just gave Drake May the MVP. It's now basically between May and Stafford. Who's going to get it? What if we just give instead of the MVP, what if we just give the Jets the LVP? Because the Jets here's how quarterbacks have fared this year against the Jets. They are 13 and three, seven point four yards per attempt, 64 percent completion percentage, 34 touchdowns and zero picks. That is what that that is an MVP quarterback. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 13 and three, 34 touchdowns and zero picks. That guy wins the MVP. The Jets hiring a quarterback to be their head coach. And then maybe they're one week away from being the first team to ever not intercept the pass in an NFL season. Yeah, I think they should give the MVP to just everyone who played the Jets. Everyone who played the Jets. Yeah. That's that's good. 34 touchdowns and no picks. That guy's definitely the MVP. I mean, that would be the MVP, no. Oh my God. No. So do you know what's so funny? It's Josh. So Josh, it's over, right? For the MVP. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, combined, combined with the Drake may game. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's funny. If Josh Allen had just put a little more room from that throw on the two point conversion to walk the game off. We're having a conversation for sure. He's we're like, wow, what an iconic Josh performance. That's why he's the MVP. He brought it back to touchdowns in the fourth quarter. It's because the kicker missed the jail. The jail in Carter blocked the extra point. And so that Josh had to go for two at the end. And I'm like, yeah, we're through. Five four yards in that pass. We flip the entire MVP conversation. If you missed that pass, we're like that whole game. That's the breaks. That's the breaks. That's how this works, you know? Crazy. Yeah. I mean, he did straight up miss. I was shocked. He missed that throw. I know it was like pouring rain, but I was. It does not feel like a type of throw. He breaks best football observation ever remains that you can't see ran on TV. No, I was watching the game at Liz and she and she was like, oh, like what? How did he miss that throw? I'm like, well, you can't see it, but it's fucking dumping right. The only time you can see it is when they'll show replays of like where they look at the lights or whatever. But also when they like when a player will slide trying to make a catch and all the water splashes up like it's a freaking slip and slide. That is where it's really. It's why Brady wore a glove on his hand because he was so wet. He was going to drop the mic. He was with that guy. Slip out of his hand. Brady's jumped a shark at this point. He wore he was wearing one glove. He's wearing a freaking turtleneck and one glove today. He's got the Michael Jackson glove. People were making like OJ Simpson buffalo jokes. I I don't he looked like a fucking he looked like Darth Vader. I don't know what he did. I was thinking about the Herbert on Saturday, but then Brady outdid him where he looked like Luke Skywalker. Look like his hand got cut off. And Brady's the type of guy who I'm like, you were driving gloves, don't you? He doesn't drive. Like, what is he doing with one glove on holding the mic? It was one black glove. Who are you? You look like a super villain. What was that? Do you have an injury? We didn't hear a finger issue. Why would he wear a glove? He wanted to take some of the take some of the heat off of his actual analysis. Now we're just talking about his next week. He'll be bleeding from the eye like that guy in James Bond. Part of his analysis, D.K. was he called towards the end. I don't know if you heard him say that Josh Allen was a 250 pound big booty quarterback. Was it? OK. Yeah, I actually think when Brady opens his mouth, he has no idea what's going to come out. He's just like it's anything. It's like you find someone who's like knows nothing about football, but can speak English and we should show them Brady talking about football. And then like three hours and be like, he's the best player who's ever played this game. Yeah, I he has no idea like what's going on out there. I really think that my God, he's like Brady Cook. Just like every passage, every place, like I don't know what I'm doing. I'm going to throw the ball wherever I see a green helmet. OK, wait, we got to get a we got to get into the so over. We have to get into a list of whatever you want to call this. But I think my season's so over or just play off sharts or whatever. But we have to go through just a list of players that are like not dead to me, but like at least they're dead to me right now. Is this I mean, should we just is this burn book? These are fantasy murderers. I don't know. I mean, it's just the list is so fucking long. I don't even know. I just these are people that ended your season. Yeah. And I think this is just like an offshoot of what you were saying, where a lot of fifth and sixth place teams ended up winning championships this week. Yeah, because random ass players went off and the guys that got you here, some of the superstars of our industry were just they just didn't show up. I mean, do you want me to just read off to this list here? Nikol Collins, three catches, 57 yards, CD lamb, five catches, 46 yards, total. That jail and waddle. Not that he was the superstar, but he had one catch today. Justin Jefferson, five points to carry. I don't think he had a catch. Oh, excuse me. He had zero catches and one carry. He went to the blocker for an extended period of time. I didn't I apparently he came back into the game. I didn't notice Justin Jefferson at five right down. And that's our blurb for jail and waddle in 2026. Just that's it. He got hurt, came back. I didn't notice. Jamison Williams had five points. T Higgins had eight points. Bucky Irving had six points. St. Cron Barkley had seven points. I mean, it was just freaking brutal out there. Lad, Mckonkey, one catch. Lad. Not that he was like the guy that carried you here, but Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs didn't do jack shit. If I had told you that Derek Henry and Josh Jacobs would combine for two hundred and nineteen rushing yards. Yeah. Jamir Gibbs, the last two weeks. Fell off the freaking planet like he didn't do jack shit the last two weeks. It's incredible after having like six or seven games where he scored like three touchdowns. It was just it's just so weird how this all went down. George Pickens, too. Pickens was the best receiver in the NFL for eight weeks. He said single digit points three of the last four weeks. He's killed you in the playoffs. John Macmillan, one portal. He wasn't bad, but like a lot of those guys that got you the first round by Pickens, Jonathan Taylor. Taylor has been disappointing. Taylor hasn't had more than 15 points in six weeks. Maybe it's because they're like, let's let Philip Rivers throw the goddamn ball. But like, yeah, no, it's just it was a bloodbath out there. I mean, people are starting to audric estimate and their championships. I guess also I got to tell you, you know what broke me as I just I'm supposed to know what I'm doing guy this week during Christmas week. These games are on Thursday and Saturday and so and everyone's sick. I got to tell you guys, I don't know what the fuck is everyone sick. Ted McMillan, Ted Arowa McMillan this morning. Adam Schefters like questionable with an illness and everyone's saying, well, he's just they got to put it in the report, but he's fine. But Schefters like I'm hearing he might not be fine. And I'm like, I can't think of something. What am I supposed to do with that? Yeah, he's sick. Thanks. Yeah, now now you're supposed to give advice. I think they should have to report his temperature. Yeah, I want to know what it is. I want to know it's over under 100. Yeah, right. If it's 99.8, I'll play him. If it's 101, I'm sitting him. Even 101, I'm like, it'll be fine. 103, I'm like, yeah, I just DJ more. Oh my God, this Dianis D League we're in where hopefully I'll win. DJ more is like before the game, like him and Alameda Zikaes are sick and not practice and they're not warming up on the field. And I'm a freaking out. And then it's like DJ more is active, but it hasn't warmed up yet. And I'm like, what do I do with this? And I I'm sorry, I just we have to this is we spent all six months doing these rankings and talking about who we're going to draft. And then week 17, the champions is determined by who didn't get their fucking flu shots. And then like Audric Estime is in the goddamn game for the Saints. And it's the stupidest game ever. And I don't know why we do this. Chris Ryan made the finals. He only made three moves this entire year. He didn't even draft. He has a hundred dollars in fab left, which is all of it. He spent zero. He made three moves, just general moves the entire season. He wasn't even there at the draft. And it was funny because he was at last for like five weeks. And everybody made fun of Tate's draft because they thought he did a terrible job. You know, he took Drake Bay, Drake Bay and UB2, baby. She mere games in Drake Bay. And we were like, you just did that because he went to Chapel Hill. It's like taco from the league. He wins every year, whatever, man. It's stupid. Wait, who won out of you two for third? I think I'm going to run away. I'm not to be not that not to be that guy. But for the ringer league, I think I just if I actually think if I had just not gotten a first round by it would have won the league. Because of the way it would have shook out. Well, you got third. I got, yes, you know, I don't remember third place. Dems the breaks. Yeah, I'll put it on. Get your money back, which there wasn't any. How'd you do, Craig? I got last. I mean, I got fake last. I have the same record as the champion six and eight. So let's write that down in the history books. Yeah, what do you finish, dead last? You know, so let that be known. I was six and eight. Mal was six and eight. So we're going to go through all the emails, Craig. We're going to like tweak your punishment a little because we need to have more specificity, so we're going to we're going to round out that not tweaking so much as just being more specific. I'm not technically dead. If Drake London has like 30 points, I don't get last, which probably is not going to happen, but it's OK. All right, we'll revisit it this week then. OK. Any other players you want to do? Should we just do burn book now and do it at the end? Do we just do like a ceremonial like we just do 10 guys in the championship burn book, all these dudes, Jamir Gibbs, Jonathan Taylor, Nico Collins, Pickens, they should all be in there. They're like ornaments on the tree. We're just hanging them all up for week 17 of all these guys who screwed us. Who do you feel the most hate in your heart towards right now? I think Ted McMillan, Ted Arom, McMillan getting you one catch on the last or the last drive of the game really. No, no, no, no, that's not like Jamir Gibbs, I think it has. I think it's just Jacobs. You got three yards. Yeah, Jacobs is good one. Josh Jacobs had three yards. Yeah. I mean, that's fine with me. You probably didn't make your championship if you had him. Who's the player that was actually in the championship? Gives. You screwed you. Yeah. Yeah, he's got you there and then he went AWOL. That's true. It probably is Gibbs, actually, which is you're right, because that's the saddest play. Who wants to hate Jamir Gibbs? He's like the least hate of it. He's like the most fun player in the NFL. What the fuck happened? I'm actually more mad at Jared Goff. Goff, dude. Goff, I just said to you. I feel like it's Goff's fault that Jamir Gibbs did all this. The ringer fantasy football show is brought to you by Fandall. 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The Ringers Fantasy Football Show presents Fart or Shark. Ooh, that's going to leave a mark. Featuring Crook-a-Crazy Craig and the diaper Danny's. Ooh, stinky. I do like Crazy Craig and the diaper Danny. Do you think Netflix is going to actually listen to our show once and be like, oh, no, thank you. They're going to kick us off for sure. They were sold to Bill Goods. Oh my God. Okay. DK. Lions lost three straight games, lost to Max Brosmer on Christmas. I will say that again. The Lions lost to Max Brosmer on Christmas. That is a shark, my friend. I don't care how you frame it. Oh, it was easy. It's a shark. Is it a shark? Long term. I think here's the context that I'm putting it in. The Lions are just another team again. They've lost their magic. Unfortunately, because they were like America's team. They're our team. So much fun to watch. Love Dan Campbell. Their GM just never misses all that stuff. And now they're just like another fucking team. That's like pretty good. And they can win on any given game. And sometimes they lose to Max Brosmer. You know what I mean? And Jared Goff turns them all over five times in a game that they absolutely have to win. I couldn't believe that. That was ridiculous. I mean, there was one play where the Vikings had two defensive ends. Just it was just like meet at Jared Goff and they squished him. They ran into him and squished him together like a smore. It was ridiculous. I mean, this was, I don't know what to make of it. I do think they still have a ton of talent, but I don't know. The magic's gone. The mojo is missing. I think that's honestly, that was a really poignant way of phrasing it. They're just another team. That's honestly devastating. Yeah, I know. It's really sad. So I felt that wasn't just the lines at Christmas. It's how I felt about watching the Chiefs. I mean, the Chiefs got Chris O'Ladd. Like, I know that's obvious, but like, it's not just Chris O'Laddoken coming in, replacing Mahomes. I'm like, they're like, oh, Travis Kelsie's last game. Chris Jones is like a Hall of Fame defensive tackle. He's jumping off sides on fourth and two out of the two minute warning. He's the best defensive player. Oh, God, that was brutal. Yeah. Like, this is one of the best defensive players in the history of the NFL Playoffs is Chris Jones. And I'm like, you're the guy who's falling on fourth and two. He handed the Broncos the game. That was 13 to 13. The Broncos would have kicked a field goal. They were not going to run a play. They would have kicked a field goal. And then the Chiefs actually could have waited over time. And I'm like, man, this is, this, you never would have thought this team was one of championship. But the Lions one is really sad because they were so lovable and they never got there. I will say the five turnovers, six overall. Two were on the center, the rookie center. But I mean, this to me was the Lions game in a nutshell. The left at one point during the Lions game, the left tackle was Dan Skipper. The left guard was Christian Mahogany. The center was an undrafted free agent rookie Kingsley. You look at a guacan. The right guard was the rookie Tate Rattledge. And then when Pinesu went out, the right tackle was Coyote, I was Saka. Well, this is exactly what we talked about earlier, Craig, where it's really hard to get all your ducks in a row with the play caller, the quarterback, and the offensive line. And injuries happen. And for whatever reason, the Lions have been more injured than the other teams over the last couple of years. I just keep going back to, and Hyphens, you've brought this up a bunch of times, but I just keep going back to what Dan Campbell said after the Lions lost in the 2023 season to the 49ers in the NFC championship game. And he was basically like, look, I told the guys, this might have been our only shot. And now if you look back on it, the last two years, the next year after that, they got their absolute doors blown off by the commanders last year in the playoffs in the divisional round, even though this was a very good team last year. And this year, they didn't even make the playoffs. Like they're going backwards. And it's just, it is a reminder how hard it is. The window closes quick. Yeah, the window closes quick. And again, these are the types of things that always make me that much more impressed by the teams that are able to win over a long period of time. It is so hard. I mean, that was the theme of Christmas. I mean, Washington's on the third string quarterback, and they made the championship game last year, and they're at super out of the playoffs. And then the Kansas City's, this era of the Chiefs is over, and they're on the third string quarterback. And then the Lions looked like they had the third string quarterback. Max Brusemann, three net passing yards in this game. And they couldn't even beat him because they had, the Lions had eight turnovers coming into this game. And then the Lions had five or six turnovers in this game. But no, I totally agree, DK. But on that note, because the games were pretty ugly. Craig, I have to ask you a question. Football on Christmas, when we had three third string quarterbacks, and then the NBA had the Wembenjama Spurs beating the Thunder again, and the Knicks beating the Cavs, and then the Warriors. I love that. I'm the biggest anti-Thunder fan in the world. Fart or shart for football on Christmas in the Netflix? I mean, unfortunately, it's a fart. It's not a shart. It's the NFL. It's not a shart. It's never a shart for the NFL. Next year, Christmas is going to be on Friday. There's going to be three games. Make sure somehow that no quarterbacks are injured, the ones that they pick. No. I personally enjoyed that. That was great. I remember it was, you know, 7 p.m. I like, glance over the television. Somehow the Chiefs are like in it against the Broncos. I look it up. Chris Oledukin's got like legitimately 42 yards passing, and they're like down three in the middle of this game. And I'm like, there's a blast. I don't have to really care about this. I'm having a great time. Wait, I was confused. I was like, wait, you enjoyed Christmas football. And then now I understand. I enjoyed it. Like I could treat it like midseason baseball that day. Right. Also, what's up with Chris Oledukin kind of sounding like Mahomes? Do you guys hear him talk? He sounds like Patrick Mahomes. He's just halfway between Mahomes and he's like, ah, the coaching staff is really trying to like, I'm like, what? Like the Riola kid. It's like Dylan Riola. Yeah. He's doing a Mahomes impression and it's pretty good. He's cosplaying. My Netflix thoughts for the Christmas games, I will say, I think that I like the robes. I think that's a good thing. That'll work. That can stay. I thought the Dak Prescott, I thought that I like a rare stink, but I thought that that thing you've been into is super rare. Like I was concerned for his. I don't even know what you're talking about. That's fine. But I did you guys see the only note I wanted to say, did you see the were you watching the Lions Vikings game when Barry Sanders was on it was on the zoom? Yes. Yeah. Because they stole the manning castification of like, they're like, let's get a player and zoom in, which is cool when Barry Sanders is talking about your games. But they asked Barry Sanders about his high school sons and like basketball career and how proud he Barry Sanders is of his sons. And as soon as they asked him this question, Pne Sewall went down with what looked like a very painful injury. And so a Monro Saint Brown and Jameer Gibbs and Jaregoff are huddled around Pne Sewall. There might be they have like a stretcher or something. They don't know if he's going to put them on it. And Barry Sanders not seeing any of this is just giving this like very passionate about his son's 11th grade basketball career. And he's like any and like a Monro Saint Brown is like crying. And Barry Sanders like it's been a great time for my family and I. God. My take away from that is like not every and I understand the irony of the statement, but not everything needs to be a podcast. You know, I actually really don't like the manning cast when they have guests on. I wish it was just Eli and Peyton Manning talking. Right. They should just be the announcers. They should just be the announcers. Or you have guests in the first and third, but not in a second and the fourth. I don't like when it's like they have some random actor on. It's like Glenn Powell and they're trying to ask him about his new movie and something and then there's a huge interception and the actors on some rant about the movie they're in. That's the last thing I want. It makes sense for the overall thing for ESPN because they want people who wouldn't be watching normally to watch. I understand the idea. But what sucks is the manning cast is actually better than a regular broadcast. When the guest is watching the game with them, the best guest they've ever had was the first two weeks. Tom Brady ever did it was Brady and Russell Wilson, actually, where they just didn't have a plan and they were just watching the game. Honestly, the best guess they've had was John Stewart because Eli Manning asked John Stewart, who's a real Giants fan. It was during Giants game. What about your like, what's your favorite player ever? And John Stewart's like, Eli, respectfully, I don't care about your question. Tell me why Daniel Jones is whose fault is that interception? Tell me. And Eli Manning is like, haha. And John Stewart's like, I asked you a question, Eli. Is Daniel Jones good? He's a professional interviewer. And he's a comedian. And it's like, you can't you can't have that all the time. I don't like it when like there was some WNBA player on a few weeks ago. And they were trying to ask her to like predict what play was going to happen next. She was not into that. And she was like, I like before she could even get her prediction out the ball with snap. Like it's just it's so clunky. I'm like, just have X players on who know the game or just have it be you two. Or just watch the game. That's what annoys me is like you brought this guy in because they're a fan of the team. Like just watch the game with them. Yeah. But it's like the only reason why these people are coming on is to promote something now. It's like a part of a press tour. It's like, oh, the rock is coming on. Talk about the smashing machine. So you have to ask the rock questions. It can't just be watching the game, which is annoying. I don't like that. It doesn't need to be a podcast. Crank H podcast. Okay. Next category, are any of their farts? Any of their shards? We got to talk about Jacobi Bresset and the Cardinals real quick. Well, we don't have to, but we could. You want to ask the question is Jacobi Bresset's poor play a fart or short? Yes. I'm a go-shart. Can I ask you guys a pop quiz? We're really excited about all the fantasy implications of Jacobi Bresset making trade McBride. I mean, more touchdowns than McBride in two months than Kyler did in three years, etc., etc. Jacobi Bresset started 11 games for the Cardinals. Pop quiz. Do you guys know how many of those games the Cardinals have won? I mean, they've lost eight in a row, right? One? They would have won one of them? Yes. They've won one game that Jacobi Bresset's fucking started this year. And like the fact that the Cardinals players aren't actually clamoring for Kyler actually makes me think even less of Kyler. Like the fact that the Cardinals are doing this and they still won't go back to Kyler, I mean, he's playing well. And like, I know it's not his fault. They can't run the ball. First of all, the Cardinals have actually lost more games to injury than any team in the NFL, which I wouldn't have guessed compared to other teams, but they are actually the most banged up unit. However, dude, the Cardinals, they're a top seven pick and they quietly might sneak into the top five. They're one of the other teams that could trade up because the Bresset thing's been cute, but like, this isn't the Cardinals have a lot of work to do. I thought I saw someone report that they're planning on keeping Ganon. And my question, my response to that is why? I literally just has to be the injury. Why? Like they're the most injured team in the NFL. What has the Cardinals, I mean, they got. They've lost 13 out of 14 games. They have a hundred minus 125 point differential since Bresset was the starter. The defense is horrific. Ganon. So we talk about, you know, how it's always you're better off like betting on the weirdo in the opening press conference, because usually those guys end up turning, turning well, turning out well, like Sirianni was weird. Liam Cohen was kind of weird in his opening press conference. Dan Campbell's like biting off kneecaps. Everyone made fun of him for that. And then all those guys turned out great so far, at least. Not John Ganon, I think that one, that one, he was weird. And that one, I think, you know why he was worried about. He was weird in private. The press conference was fine. He was weird because they did the hard knocks, right? Well, like the candid videos of him that he wasn't aware he was being filmed. And you know, he's still weird. You're fast, explosive. Pew, pew, pew. And yet, but the better one, did you take a bus here? You got fire in your gut. That was weird. Rondell, was it Rondell Moore? He was doing the pew, pew thing. Yeah, pew, pew. Oh, you were. Anyway, that aged about as well as you think it would. Yeah, that was great. His defenses are terrible. I thought that's why they brought him in. I don't know why you would keep him, but it is what it is. I want to do a new category here, which is just that shack meme of the IU in apology. I wasn't familiar with your game. Yeah, yeah. Which I would like to give to Tyler Shuck, who? Tyler show. Yeah, Tyler Shuck. They beat the Titans 34 26. Tyler Shuck played phenomenal. The Saints don't need a quarterback next year. I think at this point you have to play out the string and you have to see. Tyler Shuck develop. He's been phenomenal. He led the phenomenal in the fourth quarter. And frankly, the two things I've been impressed with. Shuck versus pressure, not only good versus it, but he's creating and he's scrambling and he's way more mobile and he's like creating out of structure. More than I ever thought he would at this day, like this early to career bullying works. Yeah, we've all away. But the decision making is just really good. And I've just been impressed. And frankly, the Saints, they don't have a lot around them. Like it's not like, you know, it's not embarrassed. But Rich is Kellan Moore doing great job at the Saints as well. But, you know, he's I guess through the Kirkland brand of what we're talking about all the other top picks and the coach. But Kellan Moore and Shuck has been good and they should. I don't they don't need a quarterback. I don't think I mean, those are the like, obviously the two hardest positions or whatever, you know, jobs to fill in football, the coach, the head coach and the quarterback. And it seems like this is a pretty good combination for them. They don't have they obviously they're like way over the cap so that they're going to have to get creative as usual with how they they get better next year. But yeah, I mean, having not having to get a quarterback next year is going to be massive for them. Dude, since week 10 QB 11. I mean, a lot of a has been. Yes. Incredible. He rejuvenated Chris a lot. Yeah. So kind of exciting. I mean, overall the level of quarterbacking right now is good. I feel like that I don't want to jinx it. Obviously a lot of guys are hurt. But I was watching him. I mean, I thought Kim Ward played. I mean, you know, there were ups and downs, but that he had the best play of the entire day. Good flashes. Yeah. It didn't even count. But that sideways throw Kim Ward had was incredible. Shuck played well. I mean, we're talking about how Caleb's revived Trevor Lawrence is revived. I mean, a lot of guys are playing really well right now who are hurt. Intrusive thoughts. Craig, I think that fantasy championship should be week 16. I think I think that's not even like a crazy thought. Is that not OK? No, I just I don't want week 17. To me, it feels too wonky. Things are getting weird already. I don't like it. Should be week 16. I know it's it's hard to do because we have week 14 buys. So that only leaves you two weeks. Here's a crazy idea. Don't have buys in week 14. Well, now we're now we're getting into changing how the NFL schedules, which is trickier than just changing the settings on your own. Let's lean on them, Craig. Let's lean on them. Right. Yeah. Can I tweak this? OK. I think everything should be the way it DK and shout out to Jackson, your friend who has this rule. But I think everything should be a rumble. I don't think throughout week 17, it should be the final four teams left instead of doing semis in a final. The final two weeks should be combined and the highest scoring over the two week period of those four final teams. That person should be the winner. I do like a two week matchup. The two week matchup and you have to beat the other three best teams is exhilarating. But you're actually the best 16 and 17 16 and 17 combined. So instead of like basically the you get a first round by your it's called a rumble. And so if there's six teams make the playoffs, the two first round buys you're in the rumble. And then the other two teams you're playing to get in. And so the final four teams remaining, you don't play one team. It's just the highest scoring team of the final four wins over the two. The move relying on week 17 is just too much of a crapshoot. Is it too elitist to do it this way? Craig, let me ask you this. You're in a 12 team league. Only send four teams to the playoffs and the playoffs are weeks 15 and 16. That's kind of old school. That's kind of how it used to be. I kind of like that. It is elitist and maybe I like it. Yeah, but it does. It eliminates some of the variants that you see with the playoffs. Like we're seeing this year especially, but I think every year you see a lot of variants like random teams like the original college football playoffs. Maybe there should just be a committee that picks four teams. Yeah, that's good. We should do a committee. I don't know. I'm in a couple of leagues that do the 15 and 16 playoffs. And I'm like, I don't mind this actually. And when you're out, do you ever check the league if you start one and four? I think we should be the committee for one fantasy league next year. And at the end of the committee. Yeah, week and week 14. We look at strength of schedule. Yeah, we audit their entire league and we decide the four teams that make the playoffs. We used to have a committee. That's actually pretty good. We can do ranks every week. It's like a listener league, but we're not in it. We just like fucking decide. We're the committee. If you're listening and you want us to be the committee of your league next year, we'll do it. That's really funny. Now, should we already be a championship or should we just pick the winner at the end of the season? No, there should be. It should be like it used to be a college football playoff where you pick the four teams and then there's a little bracket. We could, but it also I mean, back in the even 20, 20, 23 years ago, it was like USC and Miami finished undefeated and they just voted. They didn't even have a play. Who's like, I wonder which is better. All right. My intrusive thought. Are you guys sitting down? OK. This is like a real intrusive thought. My intrusive thought watching the Patriots beat the breaks off the jets was that Josh McDaniel should be hired as the Giants head coach. Why? Besides the fact that he's a good play caller. I'm not saying I think the Giants should hire Josh McDaniels. I am saying I had the intrusive thought that while Josh McDaniels is arguably the worst head coach in NFL history, if you count the fact that two 10 years were disasters and in between he took a job that he then quit before he started and everyone hates him. And everyone hates him. If you count the fact that he quit before his opening press conference, maybe he's the worst got hire ever. However, watching this Patriots Jets game where they went up 35 to three and a half time and I'm sitting here and I'm like, who is a better candidate on the offensive side of the ball that you would hire? She'll like there's got to be a lot of guys. Name them. I think because it's shocking. Here's here. Instead of putting the burden on me to name people that would be better head coaches, how about we just look at what he's done as a head coach? Some guys are just not cut out to be a head coach. He's been fucking terrible at coach. It's an insurance. I don't want this. But if Mike McDaniel doesn't get fired and Stifansky doesn't get fired, I don't know who's a better coordinator. Off his brother. Isn't the lesson with the Josh McDaniels success in New England that some people are not meant to be a head coach and some people are just meant to be a coordinator? Isn't that the lesson here? Yes. Absolutely. It's like Cliff Kingsbury. It's like some people are just better as a coordinator. And they flash this Drake May 9 for 9 for 200 yards stat. It's the siren song of the Jets. It's the lost arc. You have to close your eyes. You are berating me for even saying good things about Drake May today because they're playing the Jets. And then all of a sudden you're freaking like, let's freaking get Josh McDaniels as a head coach. It's an intrusive thought. It's a fair intrusive thought. It's a fair intrusive thought. Also, this year's coaching candidates suck compared to last year. So I get it. By the way, the ringer did a great breakdown of the coaching candidates, which was a very cool one. Yeah, shout out to Stephen Ries and Deonti Lea. I'm just saying you'd be shocked when you actually look at the list. You don't want the Notre Dame guy? I would freak the fuck out if they hired Marcus Freeman from Notre Dame. And I'll still never get over Shil Kapadia telling me on the NFL show that he was the number one candidate. I love that after the Sharon Morthing Michigan's like, we're going to take the guys who lived in Utah for the last 20 years. It is an interesting list, though, of guys that are going to be so like offensively some of the guys on this list, Cliff Kingsbury. Don't think I want to go down that road. Joe Brady. Joe Brady who has made good offenses when he's had Joe Burrow or Josh Allen. There's some there's some good defensive guys, I think that maybe you should think about Heifetz, Jesse Minter. No. There's defensive court. That's my point. If you want an offensive coach, it's a shockingly short. Put your money where your mouth is. Take Robert Sala. What about Kubiak? Yeah, Kubiak. Kubiak, yeah. But it's like this guy, Kubiak, is he ready to be a head coach? It's such a different job. That's the question. Unobel. So we'll see. Here's what we do know. There's a guy that isn't cut out to be a head coach. Based on facts that we've seen, things that have actually happened. The third time's the charm. And by third time, I mean, the third time you start the job, not just take it. My other intrusive thought today was this Saturday, watching the charges and Justin Herbert was that he, Justin Herbert should just be the MVP. What he's doing for his team is as heavy a load as any quarterback has in the league. I thought this when the Chargers Texans get, now they know the Chargers lost the game. But in the mid, I know, but there was a point where the Chargers might, and I will say, there was a point where they might win. Cam Dicker missed the kicks. It should be 2020. He missed a field goal under 40 yards for the first time, I think in years. And he missed an extra point and it was indoors. And I'm like, what are you doing? So it should have been 2020. And when they flashed the fucking stat that the Chargers still could be the number one seed in the AFC. If, and like, if they had won that game, that was very much alive for the Chargers to maybe be the number one seed in the AFC. It was possible. That is wild. I was like, Justin Herbert should be the MVP. And I'm not saying I believe that, but it occurred to me because if they have seven different left tackles. If you want to do like wins above replacement. Yes. We talked about how bad the Chiefs look without the home. If you replace Justin Herbert with Gardner, Minshew, they're the worst team in the league. Yes, that's my point. That is my point. Like the Niners. They have like three wins, probably. That is my point. Like if you go through, it's, and I know, I'm not saying I would vote for Herbert for MVP, but I'm like, if Jimmy Grapple had to replace Stafford, the Rams still make the playoffs, I think. You know what I mean? It's like, if you could make that argument for the Patriots, maybe, maybe Josh Dobbs doesn't get the Patriots to the playoffs. But obviously the Patriots have had a very easy schedule on the stuff. The chart, the adversity the Chargers have faced is preposterous. Anyway, my other intrusive thought is that I don't think Miles Garrett should actually get the SAC record, even if he gets it next week, we shouldn't give it to him. Because it's 17 games. Because it's 17 games and TJ Watt did it in 15 and Strayhent did it in 16. Yeah. That's honestly fair. It should be how many games you played. That matters. Watt had a 17 game season, but he missed two and then Strayhent did 16. And I'm like, Miles Garrett was so close. We've been talking about this for so long. He blew it. It kind of doesn't count to me now. So there should just be no records anymore. That's a win for my Pittsburgh Steelers right there. They gave up the win to ensure that. So let's just get rid of records. No, we should get rid of. I think that we really actually should take records that don't happen in time. Seriously. Like if you need the 18th week, we should talk about it differently. I agree. I agree with that. Who do the Browns play next week? The Bengals. I think you'll get it because Borough takes. I think Borough will take a sack. I like it. I agree. Disagree. It's an extra gain. Why does it count? Like I just, I guess what I'm saying is if Jackson Smith and Jigba breaks like the Calvin Johnson receiving yards record. And I think you're allowed to say the like the asterisk or whatever the caveat when you talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. I just, and if you do it in 16 games, like I don't feel the need to say that. Qualifying at all. 17. And I just think it needs to be mentioned like every time. I did have one intrusive thought this week, which is again, it's kind of related to the quarterback stuff. I think Mike McDaniel is going to be the coach of the year in 2026. I wish Carlos was here so we could talk to him about this. This is a great purge. I think Mike McDaniel has still has this team playing hard. The Dolphins beat the Buccaneers today. Not that the Buccaneers have done anything impressive in the last whatever 60 days or however long it's been. They've lost like seven out of eight games, eight out of nine games. But I think they have he has this team playing hard. I don't think Quinn Ewers is the answer for a quarterback, but I think he's done a good job with what Quinn Ewers can do for them on the offense. Like if he gets to choose a new quarterback next year, I know that he was one of the guys that or he was the guy that sort of like put his support behind to it. That didn't work out. But I think if he can get a new quarterback, I think this offense could cook again. You mean like Mac Jones? Mac Jones, Malik Willis, some of these other guys that are on the carousel. I'm very interested to see what happens with the Dolphins this offseason. Quinn Ewers was feeling himself today. He was getting a little zesty after a couple of little six yard scramble was doing a little dance. Yeah. Yeah. I both feel like quarterback matters more than ever and less than ever because sometimes the right coach can you just fucking slot anybody in there and they can be productive. It's not anybody. I mean, it's worth just out of fun exercise here outside of Brock Purdy. All these quarterback reclamation projects are literally either pick first or second or third. They're all top picks. Mac Jones. Okay. 15th. But I'm just saying like even like Tyler Shuck looks good or Quinn Ewers at a decent day. Like I don't know. I feel like you like Josh Dobbs, Kevin O'Connor can make Josh Dobb look all right. Malik Willis looks good. All right. Fine. I'll go fuck myself. I agree though, DK. I think Mike McDaniel, I'm I mean, Brock Purdy is the last pick in the fucking draft. The Brock Purdy thing is wild. I owe him an apology. We don't talk about it enough. Like 20 years from now, I'm going to tell my kid he was the last pick in the NFL fucking draft and he was one of the best quarterbacks. He got significantly, significantly better once he got to the NFL. Like that is weird as hell. How many kickers went before Brock Purdy in the draft? Yeah. The thing we don't talk enough to is that Brock Purdy irony is we don't count the value and most valuable player because we don't account for how much money the players get paid in MVP, which we shouldn't. That would be a weird conversation. However, there is no question that Brock Purdy is maybe he's might be the most valuable player ever because to Sean Watson and Dak Prescott are we're making more per game than Brock Purdy was like per year or like his entire contract basically was like a month until this season with the quarter billion. So it's insane. Like how much he did on so little he literally no one will ever be paid less than he's the last pick in the draft. Undrafted for agents were making more money than Brock Purdy. It is actually one of the craziest stories like in I honestly think in like football history that the last pick in the draft ended up being this good. If it was like a movie, you'd be like make him like the third to last pick because that sounds stupid. Yeah. Ick of the week. So did you guys see that Joe Burrow got his offensive line fossils for Christmas? No, but I mean, I did see this. Yes. Aaron Rodgers got the offensive line ATVs. That was sick. You know, Brock Purdy bought his offensive line trucks. Imagine Toyota trucks. Can you guys imagine if I texted you was like, Hey guys, I got you Christmas present. It's open it up and it was a fossil. And in that scenario, you make $50 million. It's like you're a fucking fossil. What is it? It's like the other guy that turns out like van for Midnight Boys. He got them fucking ATVs. He'd be like, fuck Danny Heifetz. Are they cool fossils? Like what kind of like what are we talking here? Is this like a T-Rex tooth or something? Are these like rare fossils or is this like a little snail that I assume they're rare? I hope they're dinosaurs. I actually didn't even check. See, getting these fossils on like the black market. I didn't realize there's a market for fossils. Amazon. I actually didn't even check rich people have access to stuff. Well, he tried to do the Batmobile. He put, you know, there were like 10 Batmobiles that used for the Dark Knights. That would have been cool. We did. He paid a million for it. And then he like bailed when his house got broken. He's like, actually, this is kind of lame. It's like, I feel like an idiot driving this thing. It's too big for the lanes. Do you think all of the offensive, like do you think he was a reveal? Like they all sat down and opened them up and they were like, he's punking them. Thanks. Oh my God. What is it? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Wait. Oh, it's actually crazy. I thought so according to Ben baby at ESPN, the man reported so center, Ted Karris shows the tusk of a woolly mammoth, which archaeologists estimated to be 30,000 years old, tackles Orlando Brown, Jr. and Amarius Mims both picked cave bear skulls. And the rookie left guard Dylan Fairchild nabbed the Tyrannosaurus Rex fossil. The last he got the T Rex. T Rex going last was not expected. It must be super lame. It must be like a little bit. Yeah. T Rex is a little played now, you know, not as cool anymore. Pretty trite. Ted Karris told Ben baby. He has been I think it speaks to Jobar as intelligence and interests and his desire to do something unique. I thought it was really special. What you say about fucking socks is really special. Bullshit. His desire to do something unique. Yeah. Look, when you're that rich, I don't need you to do anything thoughtful. Give me something sick. I'm sorry. We have to call this out. Can you imagine if Caleb Williams gave the fucking bears only fossils? What we would we should do. We must get absolutely destroyed. Yeah. Any other ics? Yeah. Mike of the week was the John Madden movie trailer teaser that came out. That didn't look good to you. No. I don't know. I thought it looked like like like a lifetime movie, to be honest. I was like, what are we like the Nick? How is Christian Bale in that movie? He is Christian Bale plays. Christian Bale is in the movie. I thought it was Nick Cage doing John Madden with Christian Bale is Al Davis. Christian Bale is Al Davis. I think like how they get Christian Bale on this. And well, he does a lot of David O Russell movies. But I don't know. The casting of Nick Cage is John Madden is like weird. The fat suits weird. It kind of is giving me like draft day vibes like on I rock like ironically good. You know. Unintentionally funny. It's going to be it's going to bomb, but then everyone's going to watch it every year. As a tradition. I just it's like on prime. I don't know. It's just like John Madden's earnestly beloved and Nicholas K. It just it feels insulting to cast someone real life as Nick Cage. It's just the castings bizarre to me. I think the movie's also about John Madden like helping invent the video game, which I like don't care about. I don't know. It's kind of weird. I don't need a movie about that, which I don't care about. I don't know. I just watched it. I'm like, what is it? I I I don't know if I didn't know that was I think what I saw that was happening. I just assumed that was not actually going to happen. Yeah. And then I forgot about it. Just seeing Nick Cage doing like kooky John Madden lines in the booth. I'm like, what am I? And what is this? Is it a comedy? Yeah, I think it's like supposed to be funny. Yeah. Oh, OK. Everything Nicholas Cage has done is a comedy. We'll see. DK, any other any of their X? It feels like we really buried this deep, deep into the show. But we got to talk about the Seahawks winning today, 27 to 10. Great win for the Seahawks. They beat the Panthers in Carolina. The Seahawks are now 13 and five. Sorry, no, 13 and three. The one of the best teams they've ever put together, like truly, this is this is an incredible team. The Seahawks are like one of the best teams in the NFL. Full stop. However, I feel a little bit. Craig, have you seen Mallrats? I assume has not seen Mallrats. It was very much my generation. Mallrats was. And there's a scene where Jason Lee, they're walking around in the mall. Actually, it's multiple scenes. And he's just obsessed with the fact that this kid, this mom is not paying attention to her son who is on the escalator. And he gets really upset about it. He's like, not a week goes by that I don't hear about some horrific accident where a kid gets hurt on an escalator. This woman needs to be paying better attention to her kid on the escalator. And it's like a running joke throughout the whole movie. And he's like, the kid is back on the escalator again. And he says it like three or four times. And then so anyways, that's how I feel about Sam Darnold. Every time he drops back to do anything and makes a turnover, he had two more turnovers today. And again, I want to point out the Seahawks won the game. And that's great. I feel great about that. However, watching Sam Darnold is like a kid on an escalator. It's going to end horrifically. I feel like impending doom about this because Sam Darnold is going to get, he's just going to make the worst play imaginable in the worst time imaginable. They're playing the 49ers next week. I'm terrified of this. Darnold, by the way, if you're keeping a running tally leads the NFL in turnovers. He has 20 turnovers, 25 touchdowns, 20 turnovers. Your best hope with Darnold, I think, is that just one season you need him to get on like a crazy flacco run where he goes unconscious for four games, gets to a Super Bowl. Because otherwise, the consistency won't be there day by day, game by game in the playoffs where you trust him to not have two turnovers. He just needs to go fucking red hot one season and it'll be worth it. That kid is back on the escalator again. Every time he makes a turnover, I'm just like, back on the escalator again. What are we doing here? Let's talk about something really good here though. The Seahawks defense held the Panthers 139 yards total. Bryce Young threw 24 passes for 54 yards. 54 yards, Bryce Young. 24 passes for 54 yards. They held the Panthers 2.7 yards per play. The Panthers won 1 of 11 on third down. Sorry, how many yards per play? 2.7. The Seahawks are 14 and 2 on the road under Mike McDonald. They're a road juggernaut. Pretty sick. Yeah. Sandwich the good here. Seahawks are good. The Seahawks defense is awesome. I wanted to look up how often, how infrequently Bryce Young reaches 200 yards passing. And it's a lot. Bryce Young, 67%, two thirds of Bryce Young's games in his career, he has not reached 200 yards. Yeah. That's quite bad for the number one overall pick. 67% of his games, he can't get to 200 yards passing. I think Bryce Young is going to be awesome on like the Fox Sports College football pregame show in Mike Tenors. 54 yards on 24 pass attempts today. I did one of the bets for the gambling crew today. And his over under was 193 yards in this game, which he's only hit. Vegas understands. He's only hit that five times this year out of 14 and started. Five times, 193 yards. Well now, five times on 15 starts this year. And notably, he did not get 93 yards. He didn't get 193. Sorry, 193. Wait, he's done it five out of 15 games? What is that? One third. Frankel needs to let us bet fractional things. I want to be able to bet like he won't hit half this over under. I want to be able to do that more often. Half. You can do that. Isn't that just like an alt line? Can't you do that? Yeah, but it's more fun. I just want to be like, no, I want to get halfway there. Just fun to do that. It feels like more devastating. Yeah. The CX 49ers game will be must watch TV next week. Play of the day. We need to mention this Bill's lateral where they, I mean, if the bills hit the two point conversion, it would have been way cooler, but the bills extended the game with a really, really, really cool lateral. I mean, two losing teams today had awesome moderals. The Bill's in the bears. The Bears did it. Yeah. I fucking love the lateral. That needs to be more a part of every game. They need to have a rule that you have to do one, one a game. Yeah. Well, who did the Bears tried one earlier in the game too? And it did and they fall. No, someone tried. No, it was the Jags. The Jags had it set up really well and then ETIM just like dropped it. It's like somebody shot a laser or something. He totally missed it. You have to toss the ball to receivers. You handed a running backs and they're running and they tossed it to the running back. You can't do that. Yeah. I guess Swift did it. I mean, he should absolutely have caught that ball. I mean, the other. Yeah, he should have done that. The other one was the baby. Best play. The best play of the day, though, was Cody Ford, the Bengals tackle catch. You could pass. Yeah. That's like that is a good example of how down bad the Cardinals are right now. The Bengals lined up their offensive tackle as a wide receiver. Sorry, what did I say? The Bengals did. Yeah. And not only did he catch a pass, he gained 21 yards on it. He almost scored a touchdown. Quite literally doing tricks on it. The Bengals are. They are like basically went like Harlem Globetrotters in this game because they were Ford. It's awesome. Worst play of the day. I want to just shout out Fred Johnson on the Eagles who ran onto the opening play of the game for the Bills Eagles game without his helmet. That's like in a bad dream. He just ran back. I don't think I've ever seen that on stage like I've seen that before, but I don't think I've ever seen that on the like to start the game. That's kind of sweet. That's kind of like innocently done. I love that. Cute. Yeah. Oh, that's cute. Fred, your helmet. Oh, yeah. Like some sound effect. Yeah. Sorry, coach. And then a laugh track. The thing I want to flag is I think the Texans and Stoics have so much in common. And they have defense is incredible. The Stoics in particular, I think the special teams is great. I think the Texans, Kami Fairbairns, great. Jason Myers, the kickers are really good. And I think the question really for Seattle, obviously, is Donald has the turnovers and they can't run the ball. And Houston's like, OK, they're running the ball a little better for Houston and CJ Stroud. And I have to say, I think lost in this Houston game. CJ Stroud was fucking awful, which is weird because he started the first two throws he threw for like 100 yards and two touchdowns. It was great. And they had shot plays. CJ Stroud after that, I thought was actually quite bad. And when out of his way to turn the ball, he after those two plays, which were cool, but like they were design shop plays clearly based on film. Stroud afterward basically had 100 yards and two picks and just should have just if he just didn't throw these picks, the charges have no chance. And he just kept giving the ball away. And I just want to flag that I actually was quite concerned with Stroud's play. And I thought that was totally lost in the game. I was straight. He was really, really bad. But after the first two cool plays, we're three full seasons into the Stroud experiment. And I am not sold. No one knows exactly how to feel about it. I just watching that game. I'm like, Stroud is the week this year. If it weren't like, I don't know. I mean, like if it weren't for him, this game would be very close. Lucille Bluthy, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it award. I think there's a lot for here. I want to start with something. Well, there's a lot that you won't believe it. If I tell you, starting with Bonix is the third most touchdown passes in his first two seasons of any quarterback effort. Wow. I hate that. I actually will. I will ignore that. Plater platter. Yeah. I don't understand the question. DK, this one's for you. Dante Coppola. It's Fleming. Your guy had this rookies in the Super Bowl era who have 300 passing yards and no interceptions and back to back games. Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, Tyler Schuck. I love it. My sister in law actually texted me this the other day, and I think it's so true. She's like, there's records in every single game, and now they mean nothing to me. And this is like the type of thing that I think exactly what she's talking about. It's like rookies in the Super Bowl era with 300 plus passing yards and no interceptions and back to back games. Like they can come up with anything at this point. Obviously, that is impressive. And I think it is an indication and an illustration that Tyler Schuck has been really good the last couple of games. But those stats are built just so people send them to their friends, and it's basically like an advertisement, I feel like, coming up with cool new stats to be like, look at this NFL stat. There's records in every single game. But yeah, I mean, Tyler Schuck, that is impressive, but I think that one is just a little bit specific. DK, any of the stats you didn't know what to do with? I was looking over just some of the overall numbers this year. Would it shock you? I guess it wouldn't be that shocking, but AJ Brown went over a thousand yards today. Just didn't feel like he had a thousand yards this year. Quietly fantastic. Just like some Derek Henry thing. Yeah, like he went over a thousand yards this year. Thirteen receivers this year have over a thousand yards now. Wanda Robinson is also one of them. Wanda Robinson went over a thousand yards today. I just thought that was weird. And then the other one, 14 running backs over over a thousand yards rushing this year. Two of them include Tony Pollard. Would you have ever guessed that Tony Pollard has over a thousand yards rushing this year? Why would you lie on the show? Like that to me was just like, what? And then Rico Dowdle also went over a thousand. Quietly, Breeze Hall went over a thousand today. Really? It's been a weird year with like... I think Tony Pollard this year replaces Rico Dowdle last year as the most shocking thousand-yard rusher. Yeah. Tony Pollard, thousand yards rushing. When you look at that in like 10 years, and we're like, remember the Tony Pollard year where we went over a thousand yards? I'm like, I don't remember one play from him. Tony Pollard and Breeze Hall have over a thousand yards and Ashton Gentie does not. Yeah. Bizarre. Don't understand it. Wait, can I blow your mind even more? Yeah. Tony Pollard might have a career high in rushing yards this year. His career high is 1,079. He's probably going to finish with a career high. Just doesn't feel like it whatsoever. Okay. I have two other just Lucille Blitz trees. These are important. Brenda Lee, we talked about rocking around the Christmas tree. Yeah. She was like 13 when she sang that song. Yeah. What the fuck? I just learned that. Yeah. Yeah. There's a crazy story about her too. I actually, I read about her, I think last year I found out that she was 13. It's crazy. This is also important. Max Brosmer has a brother named Fish. Is that his like given name? Mina Kimes posted this on Instagram. Or not. It's somewhere. Threads, I don't know. Mina posted Max Brosmer's brother's named Fish. He studies music at Juilliard. His name is Fish Brosmer. Fish? Fish. Like is that his given name? I don't know. But he goes by Fish. And if you look up Fish Brosmer, he's a big fan of his brother. He's a big fan of his brother. He's a big fan of his brother. He's a big fan of his brother. Fish. And if you look up Fish Brosmer on Google, it's Fish Brosmer. Fish Brosmer is a talented young American Trumpeter from Roswell, known for classical musical performances and symphonies, operas and festivals. He's the brother of Minnesota quarterback Max Brosmer. Do you think the Brosmer family saw what Cloyce Box did with Cloyce and Boyce? And they were like, we got to one of that. Max Fish. Fish Brosmer. The dad just really loves fishing. Fish. It is just F-I-S-H. He plays the trumpet. Go to his Instagram. It's just him playing the trumpet. Fish. I need to know if that's his real name. I think it is, man. Yeah, his Twitter. His Fish Brosmer. There's no way. And his photos him surfing. That's up there with one of the best names. That is up there. That's funny. Two receivers who have scored Ladd-McConkey, Mecca Bukin, Tavante Smith. Ladd-McConkey can F off. Theo Wees Jr. outscored Ladd-McConkey by quite a bit today. I'm going to need a lot of therapy to kind of trust him again. Unpack this. Let's get to Burn Book. Let's just do it here. Burn Book, week 17. We did it. We gave it to Jumeir Gibbs. Oh, right. Yeah, we're giving it to Gibbs. God, that's so sad. It is sad, but it's really sad. That is really sad. He killed people in the finals. Because that's the thing. For week 17, you have to pick somebody who is most likely in a finals matchup and then screwed. Yeah, that's really sad. OK, all right. Well, there's the Burn Book. Jaylen Waddle, Mark Andrews, Isaiah Pacheco, Calvin Ridley, Trevon Henderson, Tony Pollard, Justin Fields, Alvin Camero, Bill Merritt, D.J. Morra, A.J. Brown, Roma Dunes, A. Justin Jefferson, Ashton Gentie, Mecca Bukin, Jackson Dart and Jumeir Gibbs. Some good players on that list. Somehow Derek Henry never got burned throughout the whole year. He was never that bad. He was there. Dica just hates him now or actually forever, I can tell. No, I had him on a team. I think they're in a world where you can burn somebody for playing too well. I do think we need to mix that in where it's like if you have a guy who is shitty all season and then he plays great the second you're out of the playoffs, I think you can burn them for playing great. That's how I feel about Derek Henry. Reburn D.J. Morra. Yeah, yeah. A.J. Brown for being good at the second half of the season. A.J. Brown is right there. Yeah, A.J. Brown is probably on that list. OK, thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, over for listening. Thank you, Fish Brosmair. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Fish with a P.H. Nice, DK. So what's their deal? I don't really know. I'm not a fan. So they don't have a set. They just kind of play, right? It's not jazz, but they just play. They have songs, but they don't. They're just out there jamming. Yeah, jamming. Like, what does that mean? Kind of vibes, right? What is it? I don't know the jamming. They're improvising like big chunks of songs. For a very long time. I don't know if that's what fish is. I don't actually know if I've ever heard a fish song. Yeah, I'm actually, I do not know much about fish. Can someone email us and explain what fish is? No. I'm curious. When you go to a Grateful Dead concert, like a song that's typically four minutes could be like 20. Because they'll just kind of improvise. I mean, just like. Yeah, it's like mushrooms or. Yeah. You know, flowing like wine. 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