Best of NFL News Part 1: HEATED DEBATE: KD or Ant Man to lead their team in the playoffs?! Giannis' FAKE LOVE for Bucks is only for his Nike shoe contract!
64 min
•Apr 11, 20267 days agoSummary
The Nightcap episode features heated debates on NBA playoff readiness, comparing Anthony Edwards vs. Kevin Durant's current form, analyzing the Milwaukee Bucks' dysfunction and Giannis's contract disputes, and discussing emerging teams like the Pistons and Hornets. The hosts also examine LeBron James's role with the Lakers and broader NBA trade dynamics affecting player compensation.
Insights
- Player leverage in NBA extends beyond on-court performance to financial incentives in endorsement contracts, creating hidden conflicts between team management and player interests
- Defensive versatility and playoff experience in recent seasons may outweigh historical accolades when evaluating current playoff readiness
- Small-market teams face structural disadvantages in player retention compared to large markets, requiring superior draft evaluation and player development
- Sitting players for rest can have unintended financial consequences for players with performance-based endorsement bonuses, creating misaligned incentives
- Young, inexperienced teams with multiple scoring options can pose unpredictable playoff threats despite lower seeding due to lack of pressure awareness
Trends
Shift in playoff evaluation metrics from historical legacy to recent performance and playoff series winsGrowing tension between team management rest protocols and player financial incentives tied to games playedEmergence of young, developing rosters as legitimate playoff threats in Eastern ConferenceImportance of point guard availability and ball-handling in championship-contending team constructionTrade market dynamics increasingly favor teams with draft capital and player development infrastructurePlayer agency and leverage in contract negotiations extending to behind-the-scenes trade requestsTax implications and financial structuring becoming critical factors in player free agency decisionsDefensive versatility becoming more valued in modern playoff basketball than historical scoring prowess
Topics
NBA Playoff Readiness: Anthony Edwards vs Kevin DurantMilwaukee Bucks Dysfunction and Giannis Contract DisputeNike Endorsement Contract Performance BonusesPistons Roster Depth and Cade Cunningham ReturnCharlotte Hornets Playoff Threat AnalysisLakers Roster Depletion and Coaching AccountabilityJJ Redick Coaching Philosophy and Player ManagementOKC Thunder Championship Window and Shai Gilgeous-AlexanderNBA All-NBA Selection Impact on Contract NegotiationsSmall Market vs Large Market Team Retention ChallengesLeBron James Role Adjustment with InjuriesGiannis Trade Speculation and Milwaukee's OptionsNBA Draft Strategy for Rebuilding TeamsPlayer Leverage and Trade Request DynamicsState Tax Implications for NBA Player Contracts
Companies
Nike
Giannis's endorsement contract with Nike includes performance bonuses tied to games played, creating financial confli...
Golden State Warriors
Referenced in context of Kevin Durant's playoff success and defensive contributions during championship runs
Boston Celtics
Mentioned as team that swept Kevin Durant's Phoenix Suns and as opponent Charlotte Hornets competed against
Phoenix Suns
Kevin Durant's team that was swept by Boston, cited as example of playoff struggles outside Golden State
Oklahoma City Thunder
Discussed as strongest team in league with Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, representing model franchise development
People
Brian Windhorst
Cited for taking Anthony Edwards over Kevin Durant for 2026 playoffs, sparking debate on current player evaluation
Kevin Durant
Central figure in debate about playoff performance since leaving Golden State, with only one playoff series win
Anthony Edwards
Compared favorably to Kevin Durant for current playoff readiness with four series wins in two years
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Central to discussion of contract disputes, Nike bonus incentives, and potential trade request
Cade Cunningham
Returned from collapsed lung injury, discussed as key to Pistons' playoff contention
LaMelo Ball
Praised for playing at mega-star level, leading Hornets as emerging playoff threat
JJ Redick
Criticized players publicly after loss to OKC, showing frustration with roster execution and effort
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Highlighted as franchise cornerstone who over-delivered, leading OKC to championship contention
LeBron James
Discussed for maintaining performance despite injuries to teammates, adjusting role appropriately
Max Kellerman
Stated preference for Cooper Flagg over Luca Doncic for NBA future, citing defensive versatility
Cooper Flagg
Compared to Luca Doncic as top rookie prospect with elite defensive capabilities
Luca Doncic
Defended against criticism comparing him to Cooper Flagg, noted for high basketball IQ and playmaking
Pat Riley
Discussed as unlikely to trade for Giannis due to historical reluctance to bend for star players
Quotes
"Brian Winhorst said he would take Ant-Man over KD for the playoffs and it's not close. We're not talking historically. We're talking for the 2026 playoffs."
Host•Early segment
"Durant has won one playoff series since he left Golden State. Ant-Man has won four series in the last two years."
Host•Early segment
"The real money on the line is that nobody's talking about publicly until now. Multiple sources said the book's decision to sit Yanis onto the Ticunpo caused him significant bonuses in his Nike endorsement contract."
Host•Mid-episode
"You can never let a guy of that caliber get to the last year of his deal. Because if you do, he done. It's done."
Joe•Late segment
"Sometimes it's one move. Change everything. It's one move. It changed everything."
Host•Closing segment
Full Transcript
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Boy, that's a good argument. I can't own Joe. And it's closer than you think. And like he said, we're not talking about historically. We're talking about right now. Kevin Durant has won one playoff series. I love both of those guys' games. I think the way Ant-Man competes. He let it be known. I'm out here to kick LeBron ass. I'm out here to kick KD ass. I'm out here. I'm going at these boys. Y'all hear what he told Obama? Tell him, y'all better watch out. I'm a bad boy. Man, you got to love that, bro. You got to love that. Not only that, he goes out there and backs it up. He plays hard defensively. He guards. And then he can take over a game. I can see where Brian, I can see where he's at on this. Yeah. It's not as far fetched as people think. I think the thing is that people look at him historically and they look at the time with Kevin Durant at Golden State. And KD is a bad boy. Don't get me wrong. But until there's this perception, be it true or imagined that KD in the post season hasn't enjoyed a level of success outside of Golden State. Be it true or imagined. But the facts line up. I think he got, he got, remember, he got swept his lads. He got swept and the next, the next got swept by Boston. Yeah. He got, he got swept in Phoenix. Yeah. Hey, look what he was playing with though. That's not even. That they can, see, that's, you see what they did? When did they ever say that about LeBron? Do they ever say look what LeBron was playing with? What they say? No, no, no, no. But we, we talk, we talk, but we talk about, we talk about Ant-Man and KD. Yes. But look what, look what, what, what Ant-Man got. Wait, look, what, what Ant-Man got? Yes, you do realize that, that KD got swept with Kyrie. Was Kyrie any good? Absolutely. What about Devon Booker? Devon Booker any good? Okay, no big arrow, no? Joe, I'm just asking, I don't know, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, the, the basketball, our fishing, so we got to have somebody that, that's, that's great and everything you, You the soccer guy, that's you, Ocho. Come to soccer, Ocho the guy. Basketball, we go to Joe. Joe, is Kyrie here? Yeah, yeah, he's some good. Y'all know he's some good. In Brooklyn, they got Boster Swepham. Is that in Brooklyn? Yes, you talking all NBA players? Yeah. Yeah, I think the most disheartening thing when it comes to fans and people who speak on the game of basketball. No, stop it. No, no, no, no, no, no, Dylan. No, I'm not going to finish your point, but I just saw something coming with Katie. Dylan, what Katie is that they lost to the Warriors and then he went and joined them. That's the same thing. I think people have a hard time respecting that. Although he was up three. Yeah, yeah, three, one. He was up three. One. You supposed to put them boys away. But although he didn't go to the Warriors and piggyback, I mean, hell, he still let him. He was the MVP of them two champions. He was the finals MVP twice. What you mean? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he was the he was the finals MVP. If it wasn't for him, hell, they wouldn't win. No, he wasn't a passenger. Then these people didn't stop saying that he was a passenger. Kevin Rand was not no damn passenger. Hey, I ain't going to lie. Bron was at his apex. Yeah, boy, listen, that's the only player you probably could have winning guy that was going to get you. That was the only one. And that's why they wouldn't give him. There's no way there's no way that team that 73 and nine team after LeBron walked them down three one. They were psychologically done. Kyrie was at his apex. They had no answer. They had no answer for Kyrie. They had no answer for LeBron. The boy. It was over. They had to go get a neutralizer. And Kevin Rand was it. Now, y'all said Kyrie was hurt and Jake. No, no, no, James harm was gone. Kyrie was not hurt when they got swept by the Celtics. Don't do that now. Kevin Rand is great. He's historically great. But the facts of the matter, the facts of the matter, it's kind of like y'all have revisionist history and y'all try to run and blend everything together. Don't do that. They got swept. Boston's swappin'. Then he went to Phoenix. Phoenix. Yeah. You're saying. So it's not as far out of the realm of possibility. I can see why Brian Wynhort said what he said. And you wouldn't be wrong if you- Right now. If you, excuse me, if you- Yeah, right now it's a lot of people who would take Ant-Man over KD right now. Yeah. I just said, you know what, Joe? And I could be wrong. And I wanna, let me know what you think. It seems like as a player gets older, even though if he gives you the same numbers that he once gave you, they don't impact the game like he once did. The numbers don't. I think, although KD, he's forever gonna be an efficient scorer. I mean, he makes it look easy. But there was once a point in time where I ain't saying he was, you know, an all defensive player, but, you know, he was blocking shots. He would play some defense. I mean, hell, he's seven foot. You know what I mean? Yes. And I just- Especially in Golden State, he was doing a lot of real projecting in Golden State. Yeah, he was. I think now, you know, he just got that thing cruise control on offense to where, you know what, I'm gonna get y'all 25 to 28 a night, you know? I'm gonna get you a few rebounds, few dimes, but for the most part, I mean, 37 years old, he'll bucket still. Yeah, he still give you 23, 24 points a night, 20, 25 points a night. And he's still shooting in the 50s. He just need- So- He need them young bucks to do the bulk of the heavy lifting. Meaning, defensively, you know, rebounding. I mean, that was- His thing wasn't in Golden State. He was a tremendous help defender. Like you said, he was seven foot tall. I mean, what seven foot of you know, be sitting in the chair. And he's not Elijah one. That's not what he's not a David. I mean, you know, he's not that type of defender. He's just not. But he did- What they asked him to do, he did very well to Golden State. Yeah, he did. But this notion that Kevin and Rand, oh, he went to Golden State and kicked, no, he didn't kick, hey, had he not gone to Golden State, they're not winning no two more championships. They're not winning those back, they're not winning those back to back championship in 17, 18. That ain't happening. And if he doesn't get hurt, they don't win back to back, they win three pete. Yeah. I don't care what people say. Toronto not beating him. Not if Kevin he healthy. Oh, it was serious. It's hard when you, because offensively he just had too much firepower. You couldn't double nobody. You just kind of had to live with it. Cause look, I played against them guys in the playoff series when I was in Utah, the Warriors and they, in the first championship run. We played against them in the second round. Boy, we're getting to a joke. They smoke, y'all. What you mean? Like a blunt. Man, they was on that pack. They was on that pack too. Listen, hold on, Jusso. Oh, they swept their first round series. So they had been waiting 10 days. We won seven games against the Clippers and we won game seven. We had one day of rest and then we had to play. Shit, they made they tow off another. They won't know what we can do with them boy. I know. Look, I think once KD, a point guard, I think that's what they're missing this year. And guess what? It's going to get hard and hard if he's older guys to win championship, Joe. This league is getting young and young and these guys are good. That's why I think these dudes going some way, somehow I don't know how. I think Brian, KD or Yannis, I don't know how. Two of them going to end up on the same team. Two of them going to end up on the same team. You watch what I tell you. Yeah, they might need to do that to combat OKC and San Antonio. What? Because OKC ain't going nowhere at no time soon, partner. None. Zero. Sorry for the voice note, but can we get a takeaway tonight, Mum? No, no, we've got leftovers in the fridge. They'll do it, it'd be nice. Sorry, I'll eat now. I'll eat now. Who's for pizza? Pizza! Sure, we can give you lots of data, but what really matters is friends and family. That's why we're happy to be your second most important network. Tesco Mobile. It pays to be connected. Terms apply, see tescomobile.com slash Y Tesco Mobile. Kay Cunningham returning with a double-double. Yeah. As the Pistons routed the books, 137 and 111, Kade 13 points, 10 assists, and his return from injury. Kade had in place in sustaining a collapsed lung and a win against the Wizards on March 17th. He appeared comfortable playing 26 minutes in short stints. Tonight, Jaylen Durand had 21 points, 9 rebounds. JB Beckerstaff kept all five starters under 30 minutes. The Pistons won for the six-time in eight games. Well, I mean, hell, he could have paid him under 25 minutes. He played some offs. They in turmoil right now. The Bucks! Yeah. Hey. Ain't no more fear of deer. People got the deer hand on the wall. Don't nobody fear of the deer no more. Hey, Joe, you remember these? Fear of the deer. Right, right, right. Bucks fans. Hell, okay. Well, y'all got boo week alone. Kade didn't even have to play tonight. The way the Pistons been playing, they, I mean, the Bucks got so much turmoil going over there. They didn't need Kade tonight, but I'm sure they tried to get him acclimated before the postseason start. Got to get him some run, man. You got to get him some run, Joe. You don't want that man going to play up? Man, that joke alone's a real fuck. I already know. But they got so many... Hey, they kind of... They similar to the Hawks, too, because they got so many guys who they can throw at you in waves. You know what I mean? Guys who played pivotal minutes throughout the season because Kade was out. You know, they were still able to still keep that number one seed in the Eastern Conference. So that lets me know, man. They got... Look, they got guys who can come off the bench and get to their chicken. Okay, oh, Joe. The pitch is going to be tough, man. They hang their head on defense and they got a game changer in Kade. They going to be in good shape. Hey, you look, I think a key for them, Joe, is that come play of time, how consistent can Duncan Robinson and Hurley in shooting the three? How consistent? Because we've seen Duncan Robinson catch five with the heat and we've seen Hurley. You know we're at rifle. When he was in Atlanta, we've seen him in Sacramento, in Chicago. So we know where these K-Blobs, can they keep everybody honest from packing lane? Because Kade's going to try to break down your defense. Now, if you try to aid somebody to send help, I'm going to kick into one of those guys and can they knock down the three? But I agree with you. You know, he's like, look, it ain't going to take much for us to beat them. They don't quit. Let's go ahead and help them finish quitting. Let's jump on their answers. And they, hey, they tried to get a lot of... Listen, they ain't gonna say, hey, they tried to get a lot of... But if you the Pistons, I'm going to tell you all, man, that Hornets team, they scary, Uncle and Ocho. And if they get that A-seed and you playing against the Pistons, playing the Hornets, hey man, I don't know if the Hornets can beat them, but I think they'll make it, they're scared to hell. They'll make it very interesting. They make a seven game, Joe? I don't know if they'll make it seven, Ocho, but I just like the Hornets, man, because they play great basketball, they play together. And if Lamello can continue to play at this mega star level that he's been playing at for like the past month or two, man, they're going to be tough to beat, bro. They got so many guys who could score the ball, they played it right where they play hard. They gritty defensively. So they're a scary team. You don't, I mean, they are ascending. They've been ascending since about the new year, probably since about January and February. So it ain't no team who you want to see, bro. I watched them play against Boston the other night. I think it was last night if I'm mistaken. And they had control of the whole game and end up losing, you know, in that second half, but for the most part, man, they can hang with anybody. The way they shoot the three, they going to get a bunch of them up and on, and that stress that you was talking about, Joe, that two months, a lot of them was falling. You go back and look and they were 20 or 43. There was 25 of this and they had, I was like, well, damn, cause you got mellow, can go get your 30 on a given night. Can Nipple can go give you 30 on a given night. Miller, you got Miles, you got Bridges. So you got guys. What's my guy coming off the bench from Chicago? Oh, Kobe White. Yeah. So they got guys, like you said, I don't know if they can beat them, but they can scare the hell out of them. They go like, damn, I sure wish we didn't have to play them in the first round. And they're just young enough and not even enough to not know any better. There you go. There you go. When you don't understand the magnitude of the games because you rely on a few rookies, you know what I mean? Like anything can happen, bro. Like, look, I love Conn Nipple. He ain't just no spot up three point shooter. I seen him go up to dribble, shoot the midi, get to the basket. Like they got a lot of guys, man, who can beat you in many different ways. You know, the Hornets have been a fun team to watch. They have, they have. But I'm glad to see, I'm glad to see Cade back. I think it might be a little bit too late. I don't think he's going to be able to qualify for any of the wards. I mean, he's all out there. I mean, he last played. He got injured against the Wizards on March 17th. And here he is coming back today. It's the eighth. So he's a couple of that, you know, basically a couple of that shorter being out of month. Yeah. So I think he's probably missed too many games to be because I think he's going to be a first. He was going to be a first to a second team. Oh, no question. Now that's out of the equation. And what that does, Ocho, and guys, we're going to have probably two guys that miss it. K. Ant-Man going to miss the two. Ant-Man. So that's three guys. So guess what that does, guys? That brings somebody that wasn't going to make it. That moves somebody from second team to first team. Somebody from third team to second team. And that takes somebody, three guys that weren't going to be make it, they're going to make it. And guess what that does? That puts them in line for a max or a super max contract. Hey, hey. Hey. What a tone. So here's the thing. NBA, why you tried to, why you tried to do one thing, clean up something on one end. You make it dirty on another. You dump it up on the back end. Because guess what you did? You're going to have guys that probably are just like French players that they're going to have an all NBA selection on their resume. And all NBA selections, that means guess what? I am in line for a max and a super max contract. So while you hurt somebody, why you might have hurt a K or a Luke or Ant-Man, because they already playing on that number. And they, and I'm sure next year they'll be able to play and get right back there. But you taking guys that might not be an all NBA selection again. And guess what? Don't matter. I got this one on my resume. That's all they, that's all they count. That's all they count. Because when I, when I, when we go to the negotiating table, you know, I got this in my back pocket. Now what you going to tell me? You got, you got to run it a little bit. You got to run it a little bit, old Joe. Well, you know, we don't, I don't know what you think. But this is what I know. What I know is that one of those three all NBA, so that basically said, I'm a top 15 selection. So guess what? Somebody was going to be 16, 17, 18. All of a sudden is going to be 13, 14, 15. Yeah. Oh my goodness. So now you get to add that extra year. Now you get to add 50, 60 million dollars in the fifth year. So NBA, I know you tried to do all good, but no good D-Gloves. Man. Man. It's, it's, it's some guys looking at it, looking at it right now. I'm talking about, they like, we, I know I'm next in line. I'll make 13 now. Oh yeah. Yeah. We're in the money. We're in the money. Hey, it's, it's a good thing for those players that are friends players that might not ever have, might not ever have the opportunity. You know, to be first or second team or NBA selections, well, you get to get to that bag, man. Yeah, you, Joe, y'all remember Liam's club with, what's it called to me, cable this and ay, Oh, Lou here. Lou, come on. Money. Hey, hey, hey, hey, what about trading places? Mortar men. What a bag. What a bag. What a bag. Where? And that's how you- Trends come and go. Your skin barrier doesn't. E45 lotion is effective science-backed hydration for everyday use. Lightweight, fast absorbing, and trusted to do what your skin needs. No fuss, no compromise. Just soft, smooth, healthy-looking skin every day. Grab your E45 lotion now. Oh, we bad. ["Metro-Facebook"] After the Lakers lost last night, JJ Reddick crawled out their entire team on Ruin. He wasn't doing his job. Took his ass out. He didn't say ass, I had to say his part. On Vando, it was a confluencer things he did wrong. Damn, on Aten, he can't catch the ball. Reddick also got into the sideline with Vando. Reddick called timeout, just 16 seconds to the second quarter to sub Vando out for the game, telling Don't Connect to check in in his place. Vando walked over and let him hear it. Joe, are there cracks starting to show with the Lakers? Well, I don't want to say the cracks are starting to show. Man, you got to look at it from this standpoint. I mean, damn, you got two of your best players out. You know, who makes the game easier for everybody else. Now, if those guys are out and you putting Vando and these guys in advantageous situations to where now, they got to do stuff offensively that they're not accustomed to doing or basically playing both fans of the court. Like, yeah, it's going to be some mishaps. It's going to be some grunt, some players disgruntled because of, you know, there's not many opportunities, man. These ain't guys who you just throw the ball to and they can go get your bucket. They play great out for your great players. You know what I mean? So now that Luca and AR is out, I mean, hell, Brian didn't play. Damn, what? Ocho, what y'all want us to do? What y'all want me to do? And that's what Vando said. Vando said, hold on, no Brian, no AR, no Luca. And then you hadn't played Don't Connect since Hammer was a hatchet. And now all of a sudden you go 16 seconds. I just got in. And we play. I ran on the court and we playing against OKC, the best team in the damn league. They just beat us by 50 the other day. Hey, and now they came back and got about 30-something. Go ahead, Ocho. I say, Coach, Coach got to know, man. You got to know. I understand. Oh, know your personnel, Joe. No, but you know your personnel. You're too honest. He can't get that honest. Because he ain't lying. Jadiel Drenn got the worst hands I've ever seen. You know what? I noticed that too, man, because I'm like, he do be missing a lot of, you know, the blood. Yeah. But man, I mean, I don't think that was a... Well, I think for JJ, it was a situation to where he could make a point. You know what I mean? Like, listen, I'm going to put my foot down. We going to get our ass kicked tonight, but I'm going to chew off of these dudes' ass tonight. But that just goes to show you. Look how those guys look. Look how those guys look. OK, see look when Shay and Jalen Williams weren't playing. Look how they look. Now look how Lakers players look when they big guns don't play. Look at other teams when their big guns don't play, how they look. Well, damn. And y'all talk about the Lakers. Ooh, the Lakers loaded with what? With what? With what? How many... Joe, be honest. How many quality minutes are those guys getting off their own other contingent teams? None. I mean, for the Lakers, you just got two many key guys out. I mean, look, Marcus Smart out with Luca Brun. I mean, what you expect? Listen. I just expect, Joe, if I throw you the ball, you to kill it. That's all I want you to do. And don't let it go out of bounds. And the man saying it was a confluence of things. That he did wrong. Well, damn. Other than having Jerry, they took the end and chuck it in the game. That's the only thing he seemingly did right. That was that was what you mean. You playing, you are playing against the best defensive team in the league, man. These dudes, they sting you. They ain't giving them nothing. OK, see, no matter who hurt. Well, OK. I can understand that. But here's the thing, Joe. Like you said, you was in the right spot. Even I'm going to be where I supposed to be. So we cut the tape on. I'm where I'm supposed to be. So I can't let who we playing dictate how I play. Oh, Joe, I will be where I supposed to be. I'm going to do what I'm supposed to do. It seemingly I could be wrong. I could be totally out of base. But JJ won't please JJ. Like the one thing about the little while that I did work with him. He's a very, very serious guy. And he ain't got no problem. He going to tell you now that it will happen. No. He very meticulous with notes. I mean, he come out there and he knows like he should have. He should have been a lawyer because his notes are immaculately wrote. You like, yes, yes. He like he write the dissertation. Absolutely. I'm like, what the hell? My my my my notes don't look like this. Everybody knows probably only I can read. Somebody get his nose. They're going to be able to read everything because it's so I mean to the T. To the T. Peck. Yeah. Yeah, he got notes like that. So I'm. I. I'm just concerned about sometimes, like I said, the coach said, like my coach told me one time, say, show him sometimes I got a lot to him. Sometimes I got to tell him they good when you're not. Sometimes I got to tell him they're doing a good job when they're not. Hey, listen, I mean, think, think, think about it, though. You go about it. I think I think with the Lakers getting embarrassed last night at home, fellas. I think that's really what said JJ off. You know, you you're making you making you know, put brush that under the rug on the road. But when you at home in front of those Lakers, that Laker crowd. Yeah, yeah, you got to you regardless of who just play hard. Just play hard, Joe. Joe, they quit. Joe, you do you. Oh, hold on. At one point in time, the score was 43. Well, it was 42, 42. I look back up the score, 63. 47. That sound about right. That's no, six is like 69, 47. But then I think they went on like a 20. I did one on like a 23, a 25, five or 27, five run. She's. Yeah. The score was 42, 42. And then they go on a 27. They go on like a 25, five or 27, five. Man, but listen, Lakers depleted the OKC Thunder. They're healthy. They're fully healthy. They ready for the postseason. OK, old Joe, they ain't playing no games. Joe, can I just get you to play hard? Can I get you to be where you're supposed to be? If I throw you the ball, catch it. Even if you missed the shot. But, Joe, if I throw you the ball, it goes out of bounds. What then? What I'm going to do? If you're not where you're supposed to be on defense, if we got if we if we call him for a pick at the top, what, bro? Why I got to keep go set the pin? Why I got to keep doing that? Because why I got to keep saying get over. Get over. Them lights bright over there in LA. Huh. Joe. And all the Joe all the Joe. But they've been in the NBA. Wow. Ruins been in the league. Far too. Oh, whoa. Whoa. They they've been in the NBA for a while. Yeah. They ain't been at in the Lakers under them type of lights in that type of pressure for a while. It's a difference. Your big guns out. Your big guns not playing. Ruins has been in those situations. Ruins was on a team that went to the the Western Garbors finals against Denver. Rui was in a situation when they played, when they were on the road and he hit big shot after big shot. Joe, you remember he's in big shot at the big against Memphis. He and they are down this thing will handle them that game. Because a LeBron like no keep he kept me. Yeah. Kept feeding them. And then LeBron got them got them back when they got back to got back to LA. Bronson, y'all, y'all don't. Yeah, y'all don't. It's over. It's over for y'all. And he had that monster game, the last game. But I think that's why I couldn't call that because you got a lot. That's because they expecting they was expecting too much from eight and last night. Just keep it 100. I mean. From a from a number one overall draft pick that's seven foot tall that's in a contract year. I'm expecting too much. Yeah, because the guys who he typically play off of here, they ain't out here tonight. I ain't like they can get the rebound and bring it up like a point. He got the you know what I mean? Like, but I gave him the ball, Joe. He gave it back to him. But that's what I'm saying. I'm saying he been playing like this. I'm saying I'm saying. But the fact that you've had a are Luke and Bron out there. Hey, that should go by the wayside. But now that they ain't out there, now it's very glaring because it's magnified. And yeah, everything is magnified when those guys are not there to cover. Yeah. So so so now, yeah. You're going to use them as a scapegoat. Yeah, he he he he he he say he's he's sick of age stuff. Yeah. Yeah. He's an eight. Can't catch the ball. And that's how it is. Sometimes you mean you got been playing like poop, but you had guys to pick the poop up. There you go. Now, when there's nobody there to pick it up or cover it up, you're like, what the hell is everybody just going to let the dog just go out here? Because I'd be walking. I'm like, bro, it makes me mad. The guy, hold on. You pick the poop up, put it in the bag and then throw the bag on the ground. You should have just left it down there. I mean, how so? Joe, how sorry do you check? How sorry do you have to be? You pick up behind your dog and then instead of carrying it and putting in the trash can at your home, you throw the bag on the ground with the poop in it. Hey, that's why I walk my dog at night. I don't take that down. We're going to let go. Come on, Joe. Joe, see. Joe, get some bags to pick it up. Come on, Joe, don't be that guy. Hey, that's why I walk my dog at night. Oh, Joe. Hey, are you going to pick up? You don't pick up. Hey, listen, I ain't got no bag or nothing, man. We just got to get the bag. Oh, Joe, come on, Joe. And it may be dropping some loads. I got Joe. I just know the master. You know, you don't. I've had two. I've had two bull masters. I got a board boy. I've got a Nikita. Yes, I got the giant size bag. And some of the sometime it'd be like, like, like a Dairy Queen cone. I said, bro, get up. Bro, I'm about to get. Hey, you know, if you don't for a dog to go in front of you, that means he trusts you because that's the most vulnerable. That's why that's what I'm looking at you. People like, well, why the dog looking at me? Because he's like, OK, you got me, right? Because you know, I'm in a more open sense. Just like if you on the toilet, somebody come beat the brakes off me. Why you laughing? No, man, you want somebody to run down on your own. So that's a man. No, no, hey, just let me put my clothes on. Hey, and don't let him be running to why I'm damn sure you're picking it up. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. Hey, no, sir. Hey, I remember my brother, my grandma beat my brother. Had my brother did something. My brother, they have no shirt on. But granny, granny, you gonna beat me like this? You damn right. Shut down on. He thought he'd go put it. He thought he'd grab it and let it put that T shirt on. Uh-uh, granny. And you know, my granny had to tell you, yeah, I had to shut down on that boy. Well, my grandma was a snitch. That's why I got it from God. My grandma tell it. Yeah. But. But JJ told the truth. Max Kellerman said that he would rather have Cooper flag over Lucidoncet coming into the NBA. I would rather have Cooper flag over Lucidoncet. I like his style of play. I like Lucidoncet's better playmaker, but Lucidoncet isn't a defender. Cooper is excellent. Cooper flag is one of these actual that can defend one through five level players. He's an athletic and he has a style I like, which can lead to winning in a championship. He can be the best player on the championship team. I would say he's the best teenager since LeBron. Well, that's not really, that's not really going out on the limb. Because his numbers, his numbers is better. His rookie, Denla, but I don't I mean, I don't get me wrong. I'm a Cooper flag fan. I like him. I like everything about him. He's been thrust into a situation. But man, do y'all, I don't know. A lot of people don't remember when Luca first came into the league, bro. He probably was about 20 pounds slimmer. You know what I mean? He used to go through that lane and dump that ball. You know what I mean? He he he a hell of a shooter, a hell of a score. Obviously he understands angles. He has a high IQ for the game. But you can't take you can't take that for granted, man. He ain't like he's six, two, six, three out here now. Let me ask you a question. If I take Cooper flag and I take and I take Cooper flag and I put him on that Dallas team and I remove Luca, can he do what Luca did with doing to the clip? No, no. With Kawai, PG and all those defenders. See, I think some people you lose sight of just how great Luca is. And I get it. He's not he's not the and mostly time guys because I think when we get guys that can score a bunch of points, you get a guy like a Kobe, you get Jordan, you get LeBron, this average 27 28. And you like, man, look at it, locking down on both ends. More times than not, God that could score a lot of points didn't play great defense. Right. It takes too much out of you to to. OK, I'm going to go give you this work on one end. All of a sudden I'm going to sit in the chair and try to do what I do for 30, 30, 60, 40 minutes. So he won't. That he wasn't known for being a defensive player coming up, Luca coming into the league like he never was known to be a stop. What European player is known for defense. There you go. They might block some shots. AK AK 47, Andre Coralinko would block shots, but he wasn't sitting on that chair. I mean, the sitting that chair. You you take you take it for granted. But look, I'm not saying Cooper flag. Like I said, I saw Cooper flag and I saw him coming out of Maine. But what I was impressed was when I saw them joke of scrimmage against the men's national team that was taking their ass to Paris and try to get that gold medal and what he was doing to those guys. I said, oh, yeah, he had no problem in here. Yeah. That's that's that's 12 up. Well, how many players we've seen over there? That's what we that's our best. We got he's a just that's bad. That's bad. Yeah, that's a D. And he give it them work. Yeah, he's a. Oh, yeah, he's adjusted well. He probably he got off to a rocky start to start his rookie year. But you talking about the second half of this season. Yeah, he's picked it up tremendously. He's involved. Yeah, he's been everything. He's been everything they imagine. Yeah. Yeah, more. But he had to grow up. Yes, because like you said, he tired of losing. And I ain't losing. No, I ain't losing high school. I ain't losing but a handful of games in college and here we go. I don't love more games on a damn week than I love my whole college career. Man, losing suck, man. Hey, they it be a different bro. It's a real. Yeah. And you can think about it even you can win. Think about this. I mean, going 62 and 20. I was 20 damn games. These guys, some of these guys lose more games than in NBA season that they lost all the high school and all the college. And you don't know how God going to be able to deal with that. OK, Ocho, you know what I mean? That that that losing can break you, bro. It'll make you it'll make you lose sight of where you at, how you got to where you at. You know what I mean? Like imagine, imagine being on a team, bro. Y'all only win eight, nine games out of 82. Man, you're going to you might lose a little bit of your swag. You know what I mean? Come and tell you, I know I always bring this up talking about when I first came here to Atlanta, one, one, twenty nine games. Man, it's hard to enjoy outside the outside of basketball. You can't you don't want to go nowhere. You don't want to see nobody. No, you don't want to hang out. You know what I mean? That's that's tough. Yeah, I actually guess what? That's what happens when they see you. Hell, if you was home, that's what y'all win more games. Well, not in the club. That's what you get. I didn't go out that much. I mean, we were losing like that's why y'all losing. Hell, y'all in here. I like what they are, man. We're supposed to have no life. I say, you know what? I say, you know what? You're right. Let me stay by the way. We lose. Let me step up like that. Oh, let me check my head. We're losing. Right. Right. I swear. What? Hey. Go ahead. What you want to say? Not you, I only had one win in season 11 years. Hey, I ain't had no choice, Joe. So you going out regardless? Hey, I got no, I didn't really go. No, I'm just I'm just saying, you know, I show my face, but I didn't allow to affect me and what I have. I'm saying, was it something to do with Cincinnati? Oh, Joe, is something to do with? Yeah, but Cincinnati, one of the greatest cities of all time in comparison to Atlanta, Atlanta and Houston. Yeah. You saying it can compete with Atlanta and Houston? Yes. No, that's not what he's saying, Joe. He lying, ain't it? He sure is. I'm a story. My grandma, she don't like me. Yeah, you can't say lie, boy. Telling a story. Hey, Joe, listen to. They it's Joe. No, it's not Joe. It's a hidden gem that most people don't know about, unless you unless you you from there or you play there, you wouldn't understand. I so speed say he from Cincinnati and you say the women terrible. Now, that's what he said. He from there. Yeah, excuse me for a minute. You gonna get you. You see? No, no, no, no. You got that. You see my glass. I know y'all probably got nothing in front of y'all. Uncle look like he on the road somewhere. Yeah, but I'm on the road. But I'll be back. I'll be back soon. I'll be. I'll be. I'll be in the area. You girl, you girl. She seen my lady at the gym and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, shelling. She. Yeah, yeah, yeah, make sure Joe get these glasses. And I said it's what what better time for me to put on my toes. Yeah, I know you ain't got nothing going on. What would you drink it, Joe? Hey, Joe, Joe, let me tell you how you need to take it. Hey, get you some. I put put some ginger ale in there. I don't know if you've ever had it with ginger ale. Yeah. It's it's really nice, Joe. Hey, you know, we only to use ginger ale when we sit. That my grandma say, get some ginger ale. Ready? You do know I'm like running a hundred full free. But you know, yeah, she got everything going on. Hey, but you know the movie, but you get sick. You just need to go boo boo. What boo boo got to do with me sick? My stomach ain't hurt. Go boo boo. What is that, ready? Yeah. OK. The fight between Yanis and Milwaukee over playing time just got a little bit more complicated. As it turns out, the real money on the line is that nobody's talking about publicly until now. Multiple sources said the book's decision to sit Yanis onto the Ticunpo caused him significant bonuses in his Nike endorsement contract that would have been triggered if he played at least 41 games. That adds a lot of context behind Greek freaks insistence on playing despite the team wanting to shut him down for the remainder of the season. The truth comes out. It just isn't about competitive pride. It's because he literally and financially incentives in a shoe contract. Milwaukee decision is costing him. I think it's too cold. I believe obviously, man, bro, they might add some extra years at 10, 15, 20 million dollars. Second, who's on his who's on his team? Yes, sir. Now, what are the likelihood? Pat, let's just say for the sake of argument to appease Ocho Joe. The heat trade for it. What do you think the likelihood of Pat Ryder say? You know what? I want the two brothers to what you think the likelihood is that Ocho? Hey, no, Pat Riley, they ain't good on. OK, I'm just being honest with you. Unless Pat decides all of a sudden, no, sir, change his way. No, sir, no. What you what you know he's not going to do because he stuck to his guns since hell for for how long now? And I don't think since he was in my sense, he was the head coach of the Lakers. Hey, listen, if he didn't if he didn't buzz for the king, he not but a little Greek, you know, he got to get his ass in line like everybody else. And look, we trained for Yana, your damn brothers, and they don't have to figure it out. But they got we be young. They ain't doing that. Yeah, you know, what's funny is when I think about the NBA and I think about the power that the players have, one of the few one of the few organizations where the players have the power, not the know the owners of the gym, owners of the gym, the head coaches is if Yana say, if I say I'm healthy and I want to play, hell, he should be able to. You would think the way they operate. Hell, I'm going to put my uniform on and I'm going in the start lineup. No matter what y'all say, no matter what you think. Now they didn't it's down you get. Now you get more than that. Now I'm going to take some more. I'm going to take your money from you. Is that what you want? Conduct that you're a team. Yeah, that's what you want. Now I get at least at least Joe right now, you know this, he get in bed, you do something like that. Now I got to I got to take concert. Take it take it for you. Yeah, yeah. And I'm checked. Oh, Joe, don't check probably like three, four, five in a game. Man, you really want to work? I know, I know what they're looking like now. Well, you got to tell you got to tell me twice. But yeah, I'm not not. I know y'all doing me wrong, but I'm gonna sit on over here. Yeah, but listen, listen, you sitting over there, you're blushing over what they want, but now you're messing up my shoe money. My shoe money add up to you. Messed up my season by talking about you wanting to be traded. Right. You messed up my money. You you messed up my leverage. Right. I'm willing to trade you. Right. You see, you see what you did. OK, even swap ain't no sense. Wonder you mess my you mess up your trade value. I mess up your money. We both got some messed up. Yeah. And it's funny, you know what? Now that you said it like that, that's probably exactly how they think. Well, yeah, of course. It's exactly how they think. It is. It's protocol, fellas. They just just because you say you healthy. Man, like I said before, you got to show us something in practice before we just throw you out there on the floor. You know what I mean? And I think Yanis, right? As he hasn't been one to, you know, cooperate when it comes to like playing two on two, three on three to prepare to gauge and lead up to him getting out there playing five on five. He just feel like shit, I'm healthy. So just put me out there. I'm going to put up numbers and they ain't willing to do it for a number of reasons because look, you put him out there and he get hurt. Then what? OK, Ocho. OK, the end of the day. Like they ain't the man they ain't trying to deal with that. And you've had and what have we had over the last couple of years? You know, calves, calves lead to what? Yeah, Achilles. Yeah, you're not going to do that. You're not really going to suppress the market. But here's the thing. What we talking about, Ocho, he says he wants to play. We took your word when you say you was hurt and you couldn't play. We took your word for it. Now you want us to take your word for it and say that you can play. Right. We didn't question you. Right. Now. Now, all of a sudden, you see, and I'm everybody knows I'm pro players, but sometimes when you start to own a business, you have to look at things from a business standpoint. Right. And so that's what I'm like, OK, OK, I can see. I can see what you're talking about. So all these concessions that they've made, I'm a firm believer is that nobody is going to love you like your original team that drafted you. I had a conversation with a great rival receiver once and he's like, man, he's like, oh, man, I need to just leave. And I say, I'm going to tell you this and it's going to be your decision. And I'm never going to steal your own. I say, yeah, you can probably go and you might win. I say, but they're not going to love you like they do where you are. Yeah. Because you're their own. They watched you come in and they watched you grow in the community and they watched you as a young man come into a full grown adult man. They watched that. This other team, they just going to be happy to have you. You're just going to be one of the other hired guns that they've had along the way. Nothing's going to be special about you, bro. No, you thought about it a couple of days like, man, you're right. So Yannis going, thanks. So he's going to be sweet. You think the Lakers, you think the Lakers love LeBron like they did in Cleveland? You think Miami love LeBron like they did in Cleveland? Or do they love Duane Wade or do they love Kobe? Do they love Shaq? Huh? Or do they love Bam? Or do they love do they love Alonzo Mourney? Oh, no. Huh? See, that's what I think. I don't think a lot of players think about it like that. There's like, man, I just need to go, go, go, go. OK, fine. I'm never going to stand in the way of a person wanting to get his money, but just understands and when they don't gravitate towards you like they did in your original destination location, you can't be mad. You just can't. You can't even even though and think about it, even though Lanzo, Lanzo was at the Hornets first. Yeah. He was at the Hornets first. People and people and for whatever reason, he was there like, no, no. Zoowards, he was not D Wade. He not Bam that are OGs. Yeah. That's how it goes, man. So, Giannis, wherever you go and you might want to championship, I hope you do. They're not going to love you like they did. No, they not. But I bet you Giannis is thinking like this. OK, he thinking, OK, I got two years left on my deal. But if they trade me this summer, then wherever I'm at, I can play. And then the next summer I can get that five years versus you don't get four because you got traded. But I'm saying he'll get to play. He'll get to play a full year wherever he got traded. Yes. So at the end of the night, at the end of that season, they'll be able to offer him that big deal. I think once you get traded, Joe, I think that is a lot. Look that up, Ash. Look that up. I think that's the thing. That's what they try to do because they want to keep you at their. So you say he can't get. So that's why they can offer. That's why they can offer you that extra year, which is that fifth year at that max number. Right. OK. Look that up, Ash. I think I think now. Maybe if you stay for a couple of times, you have to. I think Luca could only sign a four year deal. Now, if he wants to play, he can come back. And because this is a Luca got traded in his contract year. Right. No, I think you have to know. You know, it'd be the same as young as young. He's got. Yeah. OK. OK. Oh, they would have never let him get that. Oh, no. Because remember, that's what. See, that's what Milwaukee said. Milwaukee said, sign the deal or we train you. We're not going to let you walk out the door like that. No, that'd be foolish business. Right. You can never let a guy. You can never let a guy of that caliber get to the last year of his deal. Because if you do, he done. It's done. That's why they. That's that's why they got it. That's why I think they got to trade him this summer, fellas. They can't bring him back, you know, considering everything that they're going through right now. I think I think Yannis is a little disgruntled. He probably will never come out and actually say it or demand a trade. But I can bet you behind the scenes, they probably going to be working when this season is over with to get him traded this summer, for sure. Oh, he got he gone according to according to ESPN. Yannis is eligible for a four year, two hundred and seventy five million dollar extension in October. If he stays in Milwaukee, if he's traded during the off season, he would need to wait six months from the trade date to sign the extension, which would be four years, correct? As. Yes. So. Mm. So he's going to get it no matter where you go then, I don't think you can. I don't I don't know if he can get that. So if he said if he said if he wait six months after the trade and signed the extension, how much does how much is the four year extension then? Because it's kind of what they try when they try to do is kind of like what the NFL did, Ocho, because they didn't want the quarterbacks to leave. That's what the franchise tag was really, really, really envisioned. The key guys, the quarterbacks, your Bruce Smith, your Jerry's, your image. Right. We want to keep those guys. So we'll pay you the average of the top five. So what this is, the Max, the Super Max is basically to keep because we can give you something no other team can. We can offer that fifth year. The other team, they give you four. Now, if you want for a look for a year that two to twenty five, that's good money. We can get you five. We can get you five years. But depending on where he go, though, he can he can make it up and off the court endorsements, depending on where he go, because this market's there because Milwaukee ain't no huge market. So if he was to go, well, he need to get a harder deal. He should have got a hard deal. Hey, I know I know one market he can go to. He'll make it up no matter what. You absolutely. Tax is going to kick his ass. So. Well, yeah, I forgot. Oh, no. California even works. Thirteen point three. That's the only thing that state. And when you kick it and when you kick in that four, that thirty six percent at the fan level, you're taking forty nine percent of your money. And you got to kick it. Dequered and FICA, your agents, fees, your attorneys. So when it's all said and done, that let's just say somebody getting a hundred million. You down to probably like forty seven, forty six. She has a right. The taxes and you pay because they take it three and a half percent. Your agent take three and a half percent. You're fine. That's your guy. Got to get his cut. Come on. Oh, whoa, you think I work for free? You ain't working for free. Yeah. Hey, you and I both know we got managers. We got we got to turn you got agents. Well, I've been paying money since 90. Well, my first couple of countries I ain't playing because I have my brother's agent. He's like, no, he ain't making the money. You can't charge what you talking about. When you see all that money you having to spend out like that. Because I know exactly what you talking about attorneys and. Hey, that's why that's why I bought it. They're Florida, they're Miami. Don't sound bad. Yes, you know, some bad fellas. You. Hey, they got a team. Well, they got they got no time for that. They got no time. We ain't got no team in Vegas yet. Yeah, just to the team. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not Dallas. Dallas, Houston. Dallas, no. I just try to see what you have to do. I don't care. I don't know if y'all noticed, but 13 percent. When you making that kind of money, you do realize 13 percent. If you make it 50 million dollars a year. Hey, hold up, though. Hold up, hold up. Houston got some pieces over there, though. OK, oh, children. Oh, I thought you. You got some. I'm saying they got some two-legged. You talk about the quarter piece. The bad piece. Yeah, yeah. I'm not exactly what you talking about. But they got some pieces they could. They, you know, if they underachieved this year, they could possibly get up out of and bring Yanis over there with Katie. Oh, oh, I still think they need a point guard. I think Van Fleet. I think they need Van Fleet. I think he's the missing ingredient. They need a point guard. They do. They do. But it's going to be some fun to move in this summer, fellas. I'm talking about, I think. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know Brian just built that. I know he built in that old half of a million. Yeah, but. I can see Brian teaming up with some guys, bro. We're at Joe. What you think about? Hey, look, I can see Yanis and Braun teaming up together. We're at Joe. He's going to be on the next LA. But you know what? If I'm the brawn, man, I'm done. It's Jason Reign. I'm going to go to a bad team because we've seen on a bad team what he can do. Yeah. As the number one or number two option, LeBron can still give you 25 to six a night. Did you just not did you not see him on a bad team when you just play Sunday? Yeah. He gave you 30. He gave you what 30 and 15 and nine. He is just he need. He needs some more ball handling do this in. But he understand the role he's in right now. Yeah, and Luke are playing the way they've been playing. Like I said, because he started off the season slow, meaning he missed the first what 15 games or so and they were playing great. He just, you know, put himself into where he wasn't going to be disruptive. You know what I mean? He was going to be a complimentary piece to those guys. And I think he's done a great job of that. But yeah, I agree with you. You put him on a team. I ain't saying necessarily to where he is the guy, but where he can handle a rock, make decisions, you know, make plays. Yeah, he still he's still got some ball left in him. Oh, no worse than two. Yeah, no worse. Yeah. Oh, he'll get. Yeah. Yeah. He'll give you the number that he gave you last year. Because if you go back and look like when games were okay, Lucas out or game with ours out. And now he has more responsibilities. He going to do his thing. Yes. But I'm not surprised by this. The only thing is, is that Yannis kept trying to be sneaky about it. Oh, you know, whatever my agent decide, you know, I don't grow. Your agent works at the behest of you. And he doesn't want the criticism with coming because he saw the criticism that LeBron got. He saw the criticism that KD got. He saw the criticism that some of these other guys got. And he doesn't want that. So he wants to pretend he wants to throw the rock. We know you broke the window. He got. That's my agent. No, bro. Agent don't just like the same thing. Oh, Joe, we talked about with Nico. Yeah. Okay, Nico, that fellow Nico, but the owner, Josh Dumont, threw the through the table on it. Yeah. So Yannis leaving Milwaukee. I got no problem with it. So I don't want y'all to say, but you're so old. So you got to probably know I don't. The only problem I got is that he won't stand up and face the music. Yeah, I won't out. I don't feel like I'm winning here anymore. I don't think they can put the pieces around me. But everything that they've done over the last four to five years was at your be quick at your. They got rid of the coach. You don't think they did that without Yannis? No, sir. That man was second in the east. Yeah. Yeah. They went and got dinged. You don't think Yannis didn't sign up on that? They got rid of Holiday. They got rid of all those pieces that was because of Yannis. That was Yannis's blessing. Yeah. You got to own it though, bro. It's okay. You're not the first to request a trade. You're not the first to move pieces. That's comes along with the territory. You are superstar. Superstars get certain privileges and that's okay. But don't hide behind it, bro. Don't make it seem like they want to get rid of you. You know you've been asking for this for a minute and they should have moved you last year. Yeah. He don't want that. They should have moved you last year. He don't want that backlash, man. No, he doesn't. But even with that, I still think he'll be alright. I mean, it's just part of it. It's part of being a mega star. Obviously, things ain't going right in Milwaukee. Man, you got to at least get you some pieces, get you some good pieces. And I think Milwaukee kind of trying to wait to this draft to kind of see who get what picks and who can really help him. You know what I mean? Because okay, we can trade, Yannis. We're going to package you with these picks because maybe we can get a top three pick or a top five pick out this draft to send Yannis off. Okay, that's a different story. You know what I mean? Now we bring in one of these young phenoms who can carry us for the next 10, 12, 15 years. So I think that's why they're waiting. Joe Ocho. Yeah. I bring Ocho in. I do everything Ocho asks. I hire Chauncey. I hire his best. I hire Ryan. I give Doug a job. Things don't go right. Man, I've done everything Ocho asked me to do. Then when things don't go right, man, I can't make, bro, I hire Chauncey. I hire Ryan. I hire Doug. And that thing, they go right. You want a deal? I don't broke both of your damn brothers. I've got your new coach. I got up on holiday. I got up off of me. But damn. You don't think, I mean does Yannis think that we're that naive to not to think that he has that kind of leverage in Milwaukee? They held on to him because they don't want to trade him. They don't want to trade him. But they just know he's not going to sign. And I'm not going to let you walk out the door. And I don't mean to keep bringing KD up, but KD contract was up and it was well within his right to leave. But KD walked out the door and O.K.C. ain't get a damn thing. Let that sink in. They didn't. Some people say KD is the top 10. He's probably the top 15 player in NBA history. History, yeah. He walked out the door and they didn't get a thing for him. They didn't get Gatorade. They didn't get socks. They didn't get tape. They got nothing, Joe. They didn't get no iPad. They didn't get a projector. They didn't get Jack. You cannot let Yannis walk out the door like that because if you do, you're ruined. And Milwaukee knows that. They know that. That's why they say they refuse. I know they refuse to let that happen to their franchise because they won't be able to recruit from that. It'll set them back here five, seven, even probably longer than that. What got O.K.C. was what happened. The actually Kauai. Because Kauai going to the Clippers, wanting a veteran, someone that he knew, Paul George. PG. Oh, you want PG? What you got, or let me see what you got. I'm going to need Shay and I'm going to need probably like four unprotected first round picks. And Santa Preston, we know one thing. He can pick a player. He picked KD. He picked Russ. He picked Harden. He picked the Baca. He picked Reggie Jackson. And look at what he's done. He's picked Chet. He's picked Jaylen Williams. He picked Jaylen Williams. Look at what he's done. He's got Lou Dort. Yeah. So now what probably would have been purgatory for O.K.C. Even though they're a small market, they write it, and they write back here. Yeah. And they're going to be there for the foreseeable future. They are, man. Sometimes it's one move. Change everything. It's one move. It changed everything. And Preston's done a great job. But the linchpin was getting Shay. Once he got Shay. Yeah. The foundation is strong. It's hard to build him to be strong. And you just, you got to hope, you know, when you make these type of changes and you bringing a guy who you think has a great upside, you got to hope he takes the game serious and he meets your standards or over delivers like Shay. I mean, hell, this man finna probably be a two-time MVP. He won you a title. He won you a title, man. You had Westbrook and KD. Y'all made it to the Finals, but y'all ain't win-win. You get this kid- Yeah. At heart. Yeah, at heart. And you get- At a barca. At a barca. You get this kid and within what, three, four years, man, he didn't want you a title and you're on the brink to win another one. So if you go back to back, oh my God. Yeah. So basically you got Shay in 2019 because with 2019, yeah, I think 2019. Summer 2019, you got it. Because Kauai came from Toronto. That was the domino that started this. We didn't know that a move over here would trigger something over there. You know, sometimes you have a tsunami because there's an earthquake that happened in the middle of the ocean. Man, look what this thing triggered. The Clippers wanting, getting Kauai triggered. A series of unfortunate events and I'm not talking about limited snickets. Y'all catch up with that. Amen. But anyway, but that's what happened, Joe. So I don't, I don't fault Milwaukee. I'm going to try to get as much as I possibly can because the likelihood, think about it, you had Kareem, it took you 30 plus years before you got something comparable to Kareem. You had some really good teams now. I remember the Bucks was a really good team. When they had Nelly, Don Nelson was their coach. They had, who the hell, Lanier, they had Sidney Monkree. They had Oteri Cummins. I do. Don't remember Oteri Cummins. Oteri Cummins was a bloke. I do, Kyle Ford, big body. Yeah. Yeah, from, yeah, from DePaul. They had Brian Winters. They had some really good players. They did, they did. Kareem and Y'all this. And so normally when you lose a player like that, it's hard to ever, ever get another one. It's hard. And you're not like the Lakers where people want to come. We'll retire, they get Kareem and then you get Magic. And then magic retire, you get Shaq and Kobe and then get down. And here come LeBron and now you got Luca. You see how everybody don't get it like that. I know. Because that, you know, not only is it a big market, it's a great market in LA and everybody want to play in LA, bro. I mean, let's keep it one, honey. You know, playing for the Lakers, I don't know about y'all, but growing up watching the Lakers play, you know, the Lakers show, the Laker girls, things of that sort. Milwaukee don't have an attraction. They don't. So it's, yeah, they're not going to get no big time for agent. You know what I mean? So you do have to go through the draft and hopefully you hit big. And OKC. Yeah. OKC. Develop well, develop your players. But when it gets to this point to where I know Yannis is going to move on, they know they're going to move on from Yannis, you have to try to get great value from him. I don't know if you can get the same value, but you have to get a guy who you feel like, okay, in two years, he going to be a superstar. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, you don't know. It's I'm saying Yannis, but Yannis is a different animal. But I mean, when they traded PG and all those pigs, they like, man, OKC got took. They gave a PG who was what second in the MVP, third in the MVP, but in one year. And now they like, boy, boy, hey, OKC really suckered on the Clippers. That's what people are saying now. It went from the Clippers suckered OKC to OKC. Man, OKC got one over on him. That's because Shay over delivered. Over delivered.